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By *verage Joseph OP   Man  over a year ago

Grays & London

Gutted that tonight us the firefighters will be getting blamed for our so called shortfalls on the Grenfell Tower fire!

Why bring this programme out halfway through the enquiry?

Yet again the politicians are covering up THEIR mistakes to blame others

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

I don't think it's the firefighters themselves getting the 'blame'.

Isn't the program asking if certain actions by the service contributed to a higher casualty count?

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Gutted that tonight us the firefighters will be getting blamed for our so called shortfalls on the Grenfell Tower fire!

Why bring this programme out halfway through the enquiry?

Yet again the politicians are covering up THEIR mistakes to blame others

"

Yeah, playing the blame game half way through the inquiry. At least you're not lowering yourself to the same standards.

Oh...ermm

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By *verage Joseph OP   Man  over a year ago

Grays & London

It’s aimed at the whole service...

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

Is the fire service beyond reproach then?

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

Might be better to discuss this once the programme has been aired?

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By *verage Joseph OP   Man  over a year ago

Grays & London


"Is the fire service beyond reproach then?"

The facts are there to see! The brigade went above & beyond that night... we wasn’t the ones that authorised that cladding! Or the poor workman ship that created fire growth.

But hey let’s attack the public service again! Easy targets

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By *bi HaiveMan  over a year ago
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Cheeseville, Somerset


"I don't think it's the firefighters themselves getting the 'blame'.

Isn't the program asking if certain actions by the service contributed to a higher casualty count? "

I'd argue certain actions on the part of the landlords illegally subletting to unknown numbers of residents contributed to a higher casualty rate than anything anyone in the fire service did.

A

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

At the time the Fire service was following procedure.

I think the fire men / women done the best they could in the circumstances.

On the Railway after big accidents we have made changes to the way things are done.

This is a tv program looking for any kind of story.

One thing I've learned is shit falls down to those easiest to be got rid of.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

Trouble is when you get something like this Grenfell, the media, politicians and public queue up with perfect 20/20 hindsight to stick the boot in.

They forget the years that firefighters and management have had to work with ever decreasing budgets and resources. They also don’t see the many disasters that have been averted.

I’ve been on the end of a few incidents that have attracted this type of criticism (not fire brigade but other uniformed roles) and it sucks.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

Whatever blame they attribute to the fire brigade I'm sure it's nothing to who's to blame for the shoddy upkeep of the tower, the cheap materials used that went up like fire lighters or the council that signed off the work.

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By *verage Joseph OP   Man  over a year ago

Grays & London


"At the time the Fire service was following procedure.

I think the fire men / women done the best they could in the circumstances.

On the Railway after big accidents we have made changes to the way things are done.

This is a tv program looking for any kind of story.

One thing I've learned is shit falls down to those easiest to be got rid of."

Thing is that policy works, I’ve used it more than enough times... but it only works when the building regs are adhered to

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By *arnayguyMan  over a year ago

Durham Tees

The politicians aren't making the programme. It is probably being made by an independent TV company, especially if it is being broadcast on C4.

I would expect the TV companies to be all over the construction companies, cladding companies and Local Authority too. Grenfell is too big for television documentary makers to ignore. There are sure to be other programmes where the focus is on others. This one might also highlight the extra pressures that financial cuts have made to the service. But if the inquiry has been concentrating on the Fire Service at this stage, it is understandable that the programme is being made now.

I hope the bravery is not overshadowed by any mistakes that may have been made.

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By *verage Joseph OP   Man  over a year ago

Grays & London

From one of my colleagues...

PLEASE READ!! ?????? This is the story they should Be covering on the Despatches program on Monday night. The true story of what the LFB were up against that night.

Firefighters account of what actually went on within Grenfell tower!

As always we were woken with a start, the lights came on and the automated tannoy voice started shouting our call signs. It never fails to set your heat racing. Getting dressed I looked at the clock, I'd only lay down less than a hour ago. Time to see what we've got this time..

Down the pole to the trucks and it's here I'm handed the call slip make pumps plenty.. what! No..

That's a big incident.

Wait.... I don't know where this is.. it's not on our ground.

We have to look it up and then we're out the doors.

We arrived about 0120hrs but due to the way cars are parked in the streets and the fire engines that are arriving with us we couldn't get closer than 4-5 streets away from the building. Other trucks were closer they would be setting up water ready for us.

We could see this was a bad one immediately. The sky was glowing. Leaving our truck we started quickly towards it. Picking up pace we are carrying our BA sets on our back, while making our way we are trying to read the conditions in front of us, trying to take in as much information as we could. How big is the tower, where is the fire, where is the fire going next, how's it behaving, how many flats are internally affected, how many people are in there?

We mustered outside the entrance. Parts of the building we already starting to fall down on to the surrounding area.

As we entered the building the fire on the outside was raging from the top to the bottom.

Walking up to the bridgehead on the 3rd floor we were told to look at a floor plan that had been hastily drawn on a wall.

We stood looking at it waiting at entry control to be given instructions my BA partner and I stood waiting with other firefighters waiting to see what information there was available. Then we received our brief... 23rd floor people stuck in their flat go!

23rd floor? I repeat back.. giving the flat number I received to the Watch manager.

She confirms. I turned at told my BA as the reality of how high we are going to try and go on a single cylinder of air.

Weighed down carrying 30kg+ of equipment not including our firekit and breathing apparatus (BA) we passed through entry control handing in our tallies and confirming our brief.

We made our way up a crowed stairwell struggling to make progress, at times unable to pass because of the amount of people on the stairs. The stairwells were full of other BA crews bringing people down all in various states and conditions.

The smoke grew thicker with each floor we went up. No proper floor numbers on the stairwells after about the 5th floor made it hard to know where you were. Someone before us had tried to write them on the wall with chinagraph pencil but this didn't last long. The dirty smoke was covering the walls with a film of blackness

Around the 9th floor we lost all visibility and the heat was rising. Still we continued up and up through the blackness. We reached what we believed to be the 19/20th floor but there was no way to tell. It was here where we found a couple trying to find their way out, panicking, choking, blinded by the thick toxic air.

A quick gauge check showed us that the amount of floors we'd climbed had taken its toll, we were getting low on air. There's no way we could make it to the 23rd and back to the bridgehead.

The couple were shouting and screaming at us through the coughing, trying to tell us there were 5 more people on the floor above!

Now I had horrible decisions to make and a very short amount of time to make them.

In what I think would of been less than a minute these are all the things I had going through my head.

I will list a few of them for you.

All of which I needed to consider before making my decision:........

•Now that we've stopped and lost our rhythm on the stairs would we have enough air to leave this couple and try to reach the next floor?

•Was the information we are getting from these people was correct. After all they are frantically panicking as they ch0ke and suffer from the heat.

•If we let them carry on down the stairs alone would they or could they find their own way out?

•If we went up another floor would we actually find the 5?

•If we found them what state would they be in? Could the two of us get that many out especially one or more are unconscious?

•How would we decided who to take?

•Do we have enough air to make it back down to safety ourselves from where we are?

•Should I be considering asking my BA partner a "new mother" to risk even more than she already has...?

•Can I accept/live with the thought that saving two lives is better than taking the risk to go up and potentially saving no one?

Ahh!! Come on think...!

Am I doing enough?

Can I give more?

Am I forgetting any of my training....?

Stop....

Breath.....

Think.....

•Why haven't we seen another crew for so long?

•Will another crew find them?

•Are we really where we think we are?

•The radios are playing up... have we missed a important message.

•Have all crews been pulled out?

•Is the structure still safe?

Come on make a decision... and make it quick these people are ch0king.......

Ok Ok Ok!

Dam!

Come on!! Think!!

Right... ok

Decision made!

I do a double check... ask my partner...

Is it the right decision..?

Ahhh

I'm doubting myself,

Ahhh! there's no time for this!

Come on get on with it...

Right! Make the call!

I try to radio down to entry control.

"Alpha Control Priority!"......

No response....

"Alpha Control Priority!"

Still No response....

Where are they... what's going on?!?

"Alpha Control Priority!"

.....................

.....................

Did they answer... it's hard to tell.. the signal is all broken I think I can just about hear something.

"Alpha Control Priority!"

Alpha control responds...

"Go a head with priority over"

Are they talking to me I can't hear my call sign...

Pass the message

Alpha control.. Two casualties found approx 20th floor, crew now escorting them down, request another BA team be committed to reach flat on 23rd floor. Further traffic....

5 casualties are reported apparently trying to make their way out on the floor above. Over

Alpha control "Message received"

Were they talking to me it broke up again...

Ok we really need to get out.

Let's go!

Grab my arm.

Taking a casualty each we set off. Within two floors both of us had been pushed down one of the flight of the stairs by our casualties. They are screaming at us that they couldn't breath.

We try to reassure them.

Stay with me!!

We are going to get you out!!.

Please stay with me!

Down and down we go... I hear a shout from behind me from my partner, the female casualty has become unconscious. My partner is now having to drag her down alone. I can't help at this time.

Two floors later we find another crew making their way out. One of them is carrying a little girl. I hand off my casualty to the firefighter who has a free set of hands, please take him out I shout, we'll be right behind you.

I turn to go but with that he hands me something I'd not seen initially.

Wait!

What!

Im handed a firefighters helmet!

This can't be good!!

Why does he have this?

Where is the firefighter it belongs too!

As I turn round and go back up one turn of the stairs I see him.

He's missing his helmet but he's with my BA partner.

He's got no helmet and no breathing apparatus.

Are you ok? Where's your BA set!?

He's given it to a casualty.. he's coughing as he tells us, he's delirious from the heat and smoke.

Still he tries to help carry the casualty! Helping others is still his first thought.

I shout at him.. Get down those stairs, get down to the bridgehead!

I take the casualties arms my BA partner has her legs.

We start down again.. round and round we go, hear the noise of crews working hard around us. There are still crews going up the stairs past us.

My BA pre alarm starts going this off.... this means one thing.. my air is running low.. similar noises are all around me.

Turning a corner we see a white helmet, it's a watch manager in the stairwell we've reach the bridgehead.

It's moved again. It's now up on the 5th floor.

My partner takes the firefighter with no BA in to the 5th floor lobby to administer Oxygen.

The watch manager takes the casualties legs from her.

Walking backwards down another 5 floors and finally I'm on the ground floor but I can't stop yet. I hand the casualty over. Then I'm off back up those stairs to the 5th floor.

Reaching entry control, now finally I can shut my set down and I take my mask off. Hoping for a deep breath of clean air...

ah nope!!

It's not clean air in here, I suck in lung full of light ish smoke. It makes me cough and retch.

Still It's clean enough to breath I guess. It's better than the air higher up.

With my tally collected I find my BA partner. She's with the firefighter we found and she's administering him Oxygen. We're off. We take him down and out with us.

As we get outside we are desperate for a drink of water, collapsing on the grass by the leisure centre. Someone see us and throws us some water I drink it straight down, its gone so fast it barely touches the thirst I have.

As I look up colleagues are all around us, tunics off their t-shirts soaked through with sweat, no one really able to talk.

All of us sat there looking at the building we've just come out of. It's worse now! The fire is everywhere and fierce!

It's hard to comprehend we were just in there.

We see a man in a high window trapped in his flat, we can hear the radio traffic. They know he's there but no one can get to him... but crews are working hard trying to help him.

He's there for a long time disappearing then coming back.

Slowly we catch our breath, we service our BA sets new oxygen cylinders on them we are ready to go again.

Recovering I go to find more water. At a cordon a woman pleads with me... crying and pushing her phone at me she says she has her friend on line.

Her and her baby are trapped on the 11th floor.

It throws me... I struggle to reply.. I look across at a police officer I point at him and tell her he will take her to the people who will take her friends information and pass it on to the crews inside.

Stay on the phone with her I say!

Tell her not to give up!

We are still coming.

We are still getting to people I promise.

No time to stop, don't get distracted. I've got to get a drink and get back to it.

Time passes quickly, some people are given jobs while others have to wait to be tasked with going back inside.

Some time later I couldn't say how long we are all grouped together waiting for news. A senior officer is telling us he knows we've already broken all the policy's we have. He knows the risks we've taken but thats not enough we are going to have to take more! There are still a lot more people who need us.

He says he's going ask us to do things that would normally be unimaginable. To put our lives at risk even more than we already have.

Everyone is looking round at each other listening to this officer try to motivate us into action again. He didn't need to though

we are ready for it! This is what we train for.

Those colleagues who a little while ago were collapsed and broken from on the grass from their first entry are back up, ready, stood in full kit waiting for their orders to go in again.

Now lots of things happened during the time I was outside. Some people were rescued alive, some unfortunately weren't. People jumped, a mother threw a baby from a floor high up, caught by a complete stranger arms just so she could get it away from the fire.

All this time hour after hour my colleagues were pushing themselves above and beyond what you'd think was humanly possible.

As the light broke and time passed we knew it had gone to make pumps 40, and that 20 relief trucks were ordered. So as the trucks with fresh crews arrived those of us that were there early on were starting to be swapped over. We were told to find our crews and go to the debrief but no one was wanting to leave each and every one willing to give more, but eventually we all had to leave the scene.

So 19 hours after starting our night shift the members of Red Watch made it back to the Fire Station.

Time to try and rest.. in 4 hours time we will be on duty again.

We hand over the appliance to the Blue Watch. Tell them what equipment we known to be missing.

I swapped out my dirty fire gear so I'm ready for 8pm, I might as well do it while I'm still covered in sweat and dirt.

I shower, but the smell of smoke won't go away. I wash three times and give up.

I'm beyond tired but I cant sleep.. there's to much going on in my head.

I think I need a drink!

I go out to the local pub with colleagues. I order a shandy, I'm back on duty soon.

As we sat with our drinks we don't really talk. Sitting in almost complete silence, each lost in thought trying to begin to process everything that's happened. Yet we are aware of the people all around us laughing and joking with friends, enjoying their drinks in the sun. Oblivious to what we've seen, unaware of what we've been doing all night.

I've no appetite but I know I need to eat. We go to and get some food but it's hard to concentrate.

We go back to the fire station, there's no time to get home. I find a bed in the dorm room and eventually manage 45 min sleep before I wake up. Wash my face, get dressed and I'm ready to report for roll call, ready to do it all again.

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Now... this is only a small part of the things we saw and did on that night. Other stories will obviously come out but some won't. Some will be kept by firefighters and the other emergency services hidden away deep down in their thoughts, never to pass in to words, never to be told to a living soul but always there, those emotional scars will forever be there.

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After all that I want to ask you this.

When you see emergency services workers plastered on papers or on the news being slated by the mainstream media, or sometimes missing from a story or a incident you know we would of been at, being called lazy because we are seen trying to eat or have a coffee whilst on duty and your initial thought is any level of outrage

"what! they can't do that! I'm paying their salary!"

"They should be doing something else!"

Stop! and Think!

Take a minute to consider what that person might of already seen or done that day or what they might see or do in 5 minutes from now.

When you see big incidents like this on the news, stop... take a moment think about the thousands of incidents that are attended every year by blue light services that don't make the mainstream media either because they don't sell papers or give the right message for the current political agenda of a particular party.

Maybe it is because they are only small or maybe because they are not considered news worthy enough.

Maybe they do make the news its because something went wrong and then it is reported so someone can be blamed. Reported on so some MP can say pubic services are in meltdown so they can sell off part or all of that public service to one of their multimillionaire friends or a private company they are on the board of, all so they can introduce privatisation and make cuts to try and make a profit out of saving lives.

Regardless of what they do, regardless of what the job is, regardless how big or small it is. We as first responders are still going to be there, we are sill going to go out day after day helping the people who's lives are at the lowest point imaginable. We are going to be there for you!

So If you see us out and about please show us you're support, show us you're thinking of us and appreciate us by giving us a smile or a wave and if at some point we ask for your support or go out on strike know it's not because want to it's because when we say things like cuts are dangerous we are doing it for the right reasons, because ultimately it's you we are looking out for, it's the people we serve that unfortunately suffer from government cuts.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

C4 doing their usual shit stirring

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By *verage Joseph OP   Man  over a year ago

Grays & London


"C4 doing their usual shit stirring "

Totally agree! Surprised The Sun haven’t jumped on The fire brigade bashing too

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By *orkie321bWoman  over a year ago

Nottingham

I choose not to watch such a programme.

The Grenfell fire was of a scale that was completely unprecedented and the fire service (and other emergency services) did the best they possibly could under the circumstances. The blame them for the loss of life is absolutely abhorrent.

People died because the tower was a tinder box, just waiting to go up. The council and central government are responsible for allowing flammable cladding and for failing to fit a sprinkler system.

My best friend lives in a tower block here in Nottingham. After the Grenfell fire I told him to ignore the "stay put" rule and in case of emergency to get out fast. Thankfully he only lives on the first floor so could jump if necessary.

The council has just started to retro fit sprinkler systems and a new emergency intercom to all it's high rise buildings. They are not waiting to see if government will fund it, they are putting the safety of their residents first!

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

I haven't seen it and I dint intend to.

However anyone who's worked in public sector, knows that the 9 o clock jury can present all sorts if anecdotal evidence BUT...there's always lessons and time for reflection.

Though, great thread to tell everyone you're a fire fighter

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By *ig1gaz1Man  over a year ago

bradford

The blame should squarely fall back to the manufacturer of the appliance thats set alight in the flat.

The other failures that happen throughout the building industry, As theres no set requirement for all.

If you have money and back handers alot of things are passed, unlike the small man that has to follow every rule and requirement.

As goes for the material on that building it should never have been used you would be surprised on how much of that stuff is within new builds.

for insulation purposes and to be environmental friendly.

as goes for testing that stuff in a life like real test it should have been done instead of being run by the numbers on a computer as it passes the requirement for insulation properties.

whos to blame for the material installed on the building.

it squarly falls on planning the amount of times planning can over rule a fire inspector you wouldnt believe.

if you do it the fire officers way planning refuse to pass your property.

ive seen often where both discuss whats in the best interests for the property and whats safe fire officer says one way planning refuse and state another way to get it passed .

So in end who holds the true power for it being passed as safe.

in end for the interest of peoples safety all residents would need to be rehoused due to the building being classed as unsafe

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

1974 the Towering Inferno movie was made. It showed in movie form what is wrong with piling people high in chimneys.

But nobody took notice.

Tower block disasters around the world have shown over and over that the concept is unsafe especially in fire.

Many safety compromises have been tried and work to varying degrees.

Grenfel was bad, but there have been and will be worse.

Lessons learned, if any, cost money and can't really be retrofitted.

Blame can't be attributed to any one body, but lessons can be learned that may or may not help somewhere in the future.

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By *ickygirl41Woman  over a year ago

Glasgow


"1974 the Towering Inferno movie was made. It showed in movie form what is wrong with piling people high in chimneys.

But nobody took notice.

Tower block disasters around the world have shown over and over that the concept is unsafe especially in fire.

Many safety compromises have been tried and work to varying degrees.

Grenfel was bad, but there have been and will be worse.

Lessons learned, if any, cost money and can't really be retrofitted.

Blame can't be attributed to any one body, but lessons can be learned that may or may not help somewhere in the future.

"

Blame can be attributed, greed, tories, capitalism, all adds up to the same thing.

Nobody gave a shit about grenfells safety they just wanted to hide it from their posh folks eyes.

Kudos and love to the FB

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By *evil_u_knowMan  over a year ago

city

I think the EU is behind it.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

In scotland about ten years before this, there was a fire in a multi with the same cladding on.

One person died.

This cladding was then banned from use in scotland due to safety concerns.

This was BEFORE it was fitted to greenfell.

Who ever authorised this should be up for manslaughter as it was a known safety issue.

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By *verage Joseph OP   Man  over a year ago

Grays & London


"In scotland about ten years before this, there was a fire in a multi with the same cladding on.

One person died.

This cladding was then banned from use in scotland due to safety concerns.

This was BEFORE it was fitted to greenfell.

Who ever authorised this should be up for manslaughter as it was a known safety issue."

SPOT ON!!

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By *ig1gaz1Man  over a year ago

bradford

as quoted earlier

Grenfell window installation diagram shown below, note the window sitting on the pir insulation, also note the 50mm tunnel cavity between the rain screen cladding and the colotex.

That's shoddy engineering right there

That's what RBKC building control signed off.... (I believe it was done on a building notice rather than full building control)

Frightening isn't it... Imagine the scene, warm summer night, fire gets into that cavity, horizontal and vertical firestops fail, squirty foam holding the windows in fails.

you maybe shocked to read that the windows was fitted by foam with a 2" gap under the window frame also filled with foam

links provided to show info

https://news.sky.com/story/long-read-grenfell-britains-fire-safety-crisis-11146108

as quoted about scotland fire this link includes that fire info

http://www.probyn-miers.com/perspective/2016/02/fire-risks-from-external-cladding-panels-perspective-from-the-uk/

I can understand the policy of stay put let us deal with the fire

lets say 100 people coming down a stairwell 3ft wide whilst fire brigade are going up with full apparatus.

to deal with this one fire caused by a fridge or even a dryer that could have been dealt with quickly.

the buildings failures is down to planning and also fire inspectors inspecting the building and not following the fire inspectors recommendations.

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By *rK MrsJCouple  over a year ago

Kidderminster


" From one of my colleagues...

PLEASE READ!! ?????? This is the story they should Be covering on the Despatches program on Monday night. The true story of what the LFB were up against that night.

Firefighters account of what actually went on within Grenfell tower!

As always we were woken with a start, the lights came on and the automated tannoy voice started shouting our call signs. It never fails to set your heat racing. Getting dressed I looked at the clock, I'd only lay down less than a hour ago. Time to see what we've got this time..

Down the pole to the trucks and it's here I'm handed the call slip make pumps plenty.. what! No..

That's a big incident.

Wait.... I don't know where this is.. it's not on our ground.

We have to look it up and then we're out the doors.

We arrived about 0120hrs but due to the way cars are parked in the streets and the fire engines that are arriving with us we couldn't get closer than 4-5 streets away from the building. Other trucks were closer they would be setting up water ready for us.

We could see this was a bad one immediately. The sky was glowing. Leaving our truck we started quickly towards it. Picking up pace we are carrying our BA sets on our back, while making our way we are trying to read the conditions in front of us, trying to take in as much information as we could. How big is the tower, where is the fire, where is the fire going next, how's it behaving, how many flats are internally affected, how many people are in there?

We mustered outside the entrance. Parts of the building we already starting to fall down on to the surrounding area.

As we entered the building the fire on the outside was raging from the top to the bottom.

Walking up to the bridgehead on the 3rd floor we were told to look at a floor plan that had been hastily drawn on a wall.

We stood looking at it waiting at entry control to be given instructions my BA partner and I stood waiting with other firefighters waiting to see what information there was available. Then we received our brief... 23rd floor people stuck in their flat go!

23rd floor? I repeat back.. giving the flat number I received to the Watch manager.

She confirms. I turned at told my BA as the reality of how high we are going to try and go on a single cylinder of air.

Weighed down carrying 30kg+ of equipment not including our firekit and breathing apparatus (BA) we passed through entry control handing in our tallies and confirming our brief.

We made our way up a crowed stairwell struggling to make progress, at times unable to pass because of the amount of people on the stairs. The stairwells were full of other BA crews bringing people down all in various states and conditions.

The smoke grew thicker with each floor we went up. No proper floor numbers on the stairwells after about the 5th floor made it hard to know where you were. Someone before us had tried to write them on the wall with chinagraph pencil but this didn't last long. The dirty smoke was covering the walls with a film of blackness

Around the 9th floor we lost all visibility and the heat was rising. Still we continued up and up through the blackness. We reached what we believed to be the 19/20th floor but there was no way to tell. It was here where we found a couple trying to find their way out, panicking, choking, blinded by the thick toxic air.

A quick gauge check showed us that the amount of floors we'd climbed had taken its toll, we were getting low on air. There's no way we could make it to the 23rd and back to the bridgehead.

The couple were shouting and screaming at us through the coughing, trying to tell us there were 5 more people on the floor above!

Now I had horrible decisions to make and a very short amount of time to make them.

In what I think would of been less than a minute these are all the things I had going through my head.

I will list a few of them for you.

All of which I needed to consider before making my decision:........

•Now that we've stopped and lost our rhythm on the stairs would we have enough air to leave this couple and try to reach the next floor?

•Was the information we are getting from these people was correct. After all they are frantically panicking as they ch0ke and suffer from the heat.

•If we let them carry on down the stairs alone would they or could they find their own way out?

•If we went up another floor would we actually find the 5?

•If we found them what state would they be in? Could the two of us get that many out especially one or more are unconscious?

•How would we decided who to take?

•Do we have enough air to make it back down to safety ourselves from where we are?

•Should I be considering asking my BA partner a "new mother" to risk even more than she already has...?

•Can I accept/live with the thought that saving two lives is better than taking the risk to go up and potentially saving no one?

Ahh!! Come on think...!

Am I doing enough?

Can I give more?

Am I forgetting any of my training....?

Stop....

Breath.....

Think.....

•Why haven't we seen another crew for so long?

•Will another crew find them?

•Are we really where we think we are?

•The radios are playing up... have we missed a important message.

•Have all crews been pulled out?

•Is the structure still safe?

Come on make a decision... and make it quick these people are ch0king.......

Ok Ok Ok!

Dam!

Come on!! Think!!

Right... ok

Decision made!

I do a double check... ask my partner...

Is it the right decision..?

Ahhh

I'm doubting myself,

Ahhh! there's no time for this!

Come on get on with it...

Right! Make the call!

I try to radio down to entry control.

"Alpha Control Priority!"......

No response....

"Alpha Control Priority!"

Still No response....

Where are they... what's going on?!?

"Alpha Control Priority!"

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Did they answer... it's hard to tell.. the signal is all broken I think I can just about hear something.

"Alpha Control Priority!"

Alpha control responds...

"Go a head with priority over"

Are they talking to me I can't hear my call sign...

Pass the message

Alpha control.. Two casualties found approx 20th floor, crew now escorting them down, request another BA team be committed to reach flat on 23rd floor. Further traffic....

5 casualties are reported apparently trying to make their way out on the floor above. Over

Alpha control "Message received"

Were they talking to me it broke up again...

Ok we really need to get out.

Let's go!

Grab my arm.

Taking a casualty each we set off. Within two floors both of us had been pushed down one of the flight of the stairs by our casualties. They are screaming at us that they couldn't breath.

We try to reassure them.

Stay with me!!

We are going to get you out!!.

Please stay with me!

Down and down we go... I hear a shout from behind me from my partner, the female casualty has become unconscious. My partner is now having to drag her down alone. I can't help at this time.

Two floors later we find another crew making their way out. One of them is carrying a little girl. I hand off my casualty to the firefighter who has a free set of hands, please take him out I shout, we'll be right behind you.

I turn to go but with that he hands me something I'd not seen initially.

Wait!

What!

Im handed a firefighters helmet!

This can't be good!!

Why does he have this?

Where is the firefighter it belongs too!

As I turn round and go back up one turn of the stairs I see him.

He's missing his helmet but he's with my BA partner.

He's got no helmet and no breathing apparatus.

Are you ok? Where's your BA set!?

He's given it to a casualty.. he's coughing as he tells us, he's delirious from the heat and smoke.

Still he tries to help carry the casualty! Helping others is still his first thought.

I shout at him.. Get down those stairs, get down to the bridgehead!

I take the casualties arms my BA partner has her legs.

We start down again.. round and round we go, hear the noise of crews working hard around us. There are still crews going up the stairs past us.

My BA pre alarm starts going this off.... this means one thing.. my air is running low.. similar noises are all around me.

Turning a corner we see a white helmet, it's a watch manager in the stairwell we've reach the bridgehead.

It's moved again. It's now up on the 5th floor.

My partner takes the firefighter with no BA in to the 5th floor lobby to administer Oxygen.

The watch manager takes the casualties legs from her.

Walking backwards down another 5 floors and finally I'm on the ground floor but I can't stop yet. I hand the casualty over. Then I'm off back up those stairs to the 5th floor.

Reaching entry control, now finally I can shut my set down and I take my mask off. Hoping for a deep breath of clean air...

ah nope!!

It's not clean air in here, I suck in lung full of light ish smoke. It makes me cough and retch.

Still It's clean enough to breath I guess. It's better than the air higher up.

With my tally collected I find my BA partner. She's with the firefighter we found and she's administering him Oxygen. We're off. We take him down and out with us.

As we get outside we are desperate for a drink of water, collapsing on the grass by the leisure centre. Someone see us and throws us some water I drink it straight down, its gone so fast it barely touches the thirst I have.

As I look up colleagues are all around us, tunics off their t-shirts soaked through with sweat, no one really able to talk.

All of us sat there looking at the building we've just come out of. It's worse now! The fire is everywhere and fierce!

It's hard to comprehend we were just in there.

We see a man in a high window trapped in his flat, we can hear the radio traffic. They know he's there but no one can get to him... but crews are working hard trying to help him.

He's there for a long time disappearing then coming back.

Slowly we catch our breath, we service our BA sets new oxygen cylinders on them we are ready to go again.

Recovering I go to find more water. At a cordon a woman pleads with me... crying and pushing her phone at me she says she has her friend on line.

Her and her baby are trapped on the 11th floor.

It throws me... I struggle to reply.. I look across at a police officer I point at him and tell her he will take her to the people who will take her friends information and pass it on to the crews inside.

Stay on the phone with her I say!

Tell her not to give up!

We are still coming.

We are still getting to people I promise.

No time to stop, don't get distracted. I've got to get a drink and get back to it.

Time passes quickly, some people are given jobs while others have to wait to be tasked with going back inside.

Some time later I couldn't say how long we are all grouped together waiting for news. A senior officer is telling us he knows we've already broken all the policy's we have. He knows the risks we've taken but thats not enough we are going to have to take more! There are still a lot more people who need us.

He says he's going ask us to do things that would normally be unimaginable. To put our lives at risk even more than we already have.

Everyone is looking round at each other listening to this officer try to motivate us into action again. He didn't need to though

we are ready for it! This is what we train for.

Those colleagues who a little while ago were collapsed and broken from on the grass from their first entry are back up, ready, stood in full kit waiting for their orders to go in again.

Now lots of things happened during the time I was outside. Some people were rescued alive, some unfortunately weren't. People jumped, a mother threw a baby from a floor high up, caught by a complete stranger arms just so she could get it away from the fire.

All this time hour after hour my colleagues were pushing themselves above and beyond what you'd think was humanly possible.

As the light broke and time passed we knew it had gone to make pumps 40, and that 20 relief trucks were ordered. So as the trucks with fresh crews arrived those of us that were there early on were starting to be swapped over. We were told to find our crews and go to the debrief but no one was wanting to leave each and every one willing to give more, but eventually we all had to leave the scene.

So 19 hours after starting our night shift the members of Red Watch made it back to the Fire Station.

Time to try and rest.. in 4 hours time we will be on duty again.

We hand over the appliance to the Blue Watch. Tell them what equipment we known to be missing.

I swapped out my dirty fire gear so I'm ready for 8pm, I might as well do it while I'm still covered in sweat and dirt.

I shower, but the smell of smoke won't go away. I wash three times and give up.

I'm beyond tired but I cant sleep.. there's to much going on in my head.

I think I need a drink!

I go out to the local pub with colleagues. I order a shandy, I'm back on duty soon.

As we sat with our drinks we don't really talk. Sitting in almost complete silence, each lost in thought trying to begin to process everything that's happened. Yet we are aware of the people all around us laughing and joking with friends, enjoying their drinks in the sun. Oblivious to what we've seen, unaware of what we've been doing all night.

I've no appetite but I know I need to eat. We go to and get some food but it's hard to concentrate.

We go back to the fire station, there's no time to get home. I find a bed in the dorm room and eventually manage 45 min sleep before I wake up. Wash my face, get dressed and I'm ready to report for roll call, ready to do it all again.

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Now... this is only a small part of the things we saw and did on that night. Other stories will obviously come out but some won't. Some will be kept by firefighters and the other emergency services hidden away deep down in their thoughts, never to pass in to words, never to be told to a living soul but always there, those emotional scars will forever be there.

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After all that I want to ask you this.

When you see emergency services workers plastered on papers or on the news being slated by the mainstream media, or sometimes missing from a story or a incident you know we would of been at, being called lazy because we are seen trying to eat or have a coffee whilst on duty and your initial thought is any level of outrage

"what! they can't do that! I'm paying their salary!"

"They should be doing something else!"

Stop! and Think!

Take a minute to consider what that person might of already seen or done that day or what they might see or do in 5 minutes from now.

When you see big incidents like this on the news, stop... take a moment think about the thousands of incidents that are attended every year by blue light services that don't make the mainstream media either because they don't sell papers or give the right message for the current political agenda of a particular party.

Maybe it is because they are only small or maybe because they are not considered news worthy enough.

Maybe they do make the news its because something went wrong and then it is reported so someone can be blamed. Reported on so some MP can say pubic services are in meltdown so they can sell off part or all of that public service to one of their multimillionaire friends or a private company they are on the board of, all so they can introduce privatisation and make cuts to try and make a profit out of saving lives.

Regardless of what they do, regardless of what the job is, regardless how big or small it is. We as first responders are still going to be there, we are sill going to go out day after day helping the people who's lives are at the lowest point imaginable. We are going to be there for you!

So If you see us out and about please show us you're support, show us you're thinking of us and appreciate us by giving us a smile or a wave and if at some point we ask for your support or go out on strike know it's not because want to it's because when we say things like cuts are dangerous we are doing it for the right reasons, because ultimately it's you we are looking out for, it's the people we serve that unfortunately suffer from government cuts."

Thank you for your service to the community and your comrades

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

The blame lies solely with the local council and the developers

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By *uke olovingmanMan  over a year ago

Gravesend

The firefighters had to deal with the situation the best way they could...the bad design and use of inflammable cladding was to blame for the disaster.. not the emergency services

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By *onnie And Clyde9070Couple  over a year ago

Leeds

It's just propaganda to shift the blame from the Tories and their budget cuts.

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By *eelouWoman  over a year ago

Glasgow

I watched it and it was the biggest load of propaganda and blame shifting I've seen.

Anyone that has the calling to be a firefighter is an amazing human as far as I'm concerned.

This horrible program should never have been aired. It was a tragedy for all involved and that includes the firefighters that done all they could and more to save everyone they possibly could. The only ones to blame are the negligent council/builders.

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