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By *ea monkeyMan
over a year ago
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"If you could have participated in the D Day landings in WW2 what group of any nations military would you have wanted to have experienced it with? "
None of them, the d day landing were brutal and in the words of many survivors; like hell.
I can't think of anything worse to want to be part of |
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"If you could have participated in the D Day landings in WW2 what group of any nations military would you have wanted to have experienced it with? "
Having first hand experience in war. I'd say none of the above. Bit of a strange question if you ask me.
If it's gaming only, I'd say the Germans, given their strong defensive position. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Gurkhas. Just so I could be reminded every day after the war how pointless war is, and how the people you lay your lives down for don't really care, unless they are your family."
How would picking them specifically remind you of that? They volunteer to serve like we do. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Okay, Native American then. For the same reason."
I'd agree with the not caring part though. Only day this country gives a fuck is on Remembrance Day. Which is why I despise the day. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"Okay, Native American then. For the same reason."
A good point some fought in WW2 and for many they were not highly regarded among their own nation..but they would recieve some respect as veterans.
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" Some folk want to be all warlike and fierce until warlike stuff happens for real, then it's generally a different attitude."
Thought that one through I am thinking of a particular day the size of the enterprise to have been a part of it, not thriving off the gore.
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" Some folk want to be all warlike and fierce until warlike stuff happens for real, then it's generally a different attitude.Thought that one through I am thinking of a particular day the size of the enterprise to have been a part of it, not thriving off the gore."
I know what you're trying to say. You've got to try and understand how it may sound to others, especially those of us who've seen war.
Isn't there only one answer? The side that won.
DDay was horrific, makes what I went through pale into insignificance. Why you'd want to imagine which side you'd like to pick is beyond me. Most people were lucky if they made it off the landing platforms, let alone the beach.
I knew a man in the nursing home I worked in a long time ago. He was forced out of his nursing profession. Into a locked train carriage, sent down to the seaside, frogmarched into an amphibious tank and loaded onto a ship. He had no choice in the matter. That man stormed the beach 7 times that day, to help the injured and dying men on the beach. Not to kill anyone.
I'd be that man. No country. No Army. Just one dude doing his best to make the world a better place for the little guys. |
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" Some folk want to be all warlike and fierce until warlike stuff happens for real, then it's generally a different attitude.Thought that one through I am thinking of a particular day the size of the enterprise to have been a part of it, not thriving off the gore.
I know what you're trying to say. You've got to try and understand how it may sound to others, especially those of us who've seen war.
Isn't there only one answer? The side that won.
DDay was horrific, makes what I went through pale into insignificance. Why you'd want to imagine which side you'd like to pick is beyond me. Most people were lucky if they made it off the landing platforms, let alone the beach.
I knew a man in the nursing home I worked in a long time ago. He was forced out of his nursing profession. Into a locked train carriage, sent down to the seaside, frogmarched into an amphibious tank and loaded onto a ship. He had no choice in the matter. That man stormed the beach 7 times that day, to help the injured and dying men on the beach. Not to kill anyone.
I'd be that man. No country. No Army. Just one dude doing his best to make the world a better place for the little guys. "
No disrespect to your story about the man but it sounds a little far fetched..unless he was AWOL and they (a) felt the desire to stick it to him or (b) felt they needed men. |
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By *sGivesWoodWoman
over a year ago
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"If you could have participated in the D Day landings in WW2 what group of any nations military would you have wanted to have experienced it with?
None of them, the d day landing were brutal and in the words of many survivors; like hell.
I can't think of anything worse to want to be part of"
Then it's a good job for us those people went through hell. Without them I doubt we'd even be here. All respect to them. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"If you could have participated in the D Day landings in WW2 what group of any nations military would you have wanted to have experienced it with?
None of them, the d day landing were brutal and in the words of many survivors; like hell.
I can't think of anything worse to want to be part of
Then it's a good job for us those people went through hell. Without them I doubt we'd even be here. All respect to them. "
He was not disrespecting them.
He is honouring them, the survivors has stated how bad it was to be there, clearly not wanting to wish that position upon anyone.
So I fully agree with him, why the fuck would anyone want to choose the experience it? Regardless of what the fighting was for and what it meant to be victorious does not change the fact that even the people who were there would not want to relive such a brutal part of history. |
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"If you could have participated in the D Day landings in WW2 what group of any nations military would you have wanted to have experienced it with?
None of them, the d day landing were brutal and in the words of many survivors; like hell.
I can't think of anything worse to want to be part of
Then it's a good job for us those people went through hell. Without them I doubt we'd even be here. All respect to them.
He was not disrespecting them.
He is honouring them, the survivors has stated how bad it was to be there, clearly not wanting to wish that position upon anyone.
So I fully agree with him, why the fuck would anyone want to choose the experience it? Regardless of what the fighting was for and what it meant to be victorious does not change the fact that even the people who were there would not want to relive such a brutal part of history."
You might be suprised how many veterans have no regrets about their part in it..but do grieve for lost friends. |
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"If you could have participated in the D Day landings in WW2 what group of any nations military would you have wanted to have experienced it with?
None of them, the d day landing were brutal and in the words of many survivors; like hell.
I can't think of anything worse to want to be part of
Then it's a good job for us those people went through hell. Without them I doubt we'd even be here. All respect to them.
He was not disrespecting them.
He is honouring them, the survivors has stated how bad it was to be there, clearly not wanting to wish that position upon anyone.
So I fully agree with him, why the fuck would anyone want to choose the experience it? Regardless of what the fighting was for and what it meant to be victorious does not change the fact that even the people who were there would not want to relive such a brutal part of history.You might be suprised how many veterans have no regrets about their part in it..but do grieve for lost friends."
Where did I say they regret it? I said they would never wish it upon anyone to have been there, nor would they enjoy to relive it.
Doesn't change the fact they are proud to have done their part for the cause. Its possible to do both. |
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over a year ago
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"Just because I wanna drive the tiger tanks and stuff yehDo you enjoy vehicles in the here and now?"
Umm, not as much as the older ones. I do like the leopard 2 though, that's pretty cool. What about you? |
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" Some folk want to be all warlike and fierce until warlike stuff happens for real, then it's generally a different attitude.Thought that one through I am thinking of a particular day the size of the enterprise to have been a part of it, not thriving off the gore.
I know what you're trying to say. You've got to try and understand how it may sound to others, especially those of us who've seen war.
Isn't there only one answer? The side that won.
DDay was horrific, makes what I went through pale into insignificance. Why you'd want to imagine which side you'd like to pick is beyond me. Most people were lucky if they made it off the landing platforms, let alone the beach. In asking such a question had to open it up to all national participants...Germans etc, included
I knew a man in the nursing home I worked in a long time ago. He was forced out of his nursing profession. Into a locked train carriage, sent down to the seaside, frogmarched into an amphibious tank and loaded onto a ship. He had no choice in the matter. That man stormed the beach 7 times that day, to help the injured and dying men on the beach. Not to kill anyone.
I'd be that man. No country. No Army. Just one dude doing his best to make the world a better place for the little guys. "
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"Just because I wanna drive the tiger tanks and stuff yehDo you enjoy vehicles in the here and now?
Umm, not as much as the older ones. I do like the leopard 2 though, that's pretty cool. What about you? "
I'm not a car buff but I do admire the look of some cars from the 1920s 30s...don't ask me to name them.
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"Just because I wanna drive the tiger tanks and stuff yehDo you enjoy vehicles in the here and now?
Umm, not as much as the older ones. I do like the leopard 2 though, that's pretty cool. What about you? I'm not a car buff but I do admire the look of some cars from the 1920s 30s...don't ask me to name them.
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If you was looking for what tank I would fight in..I would have fought D Day jumping out of a plane with the US or Brit Airborne. |
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" Some folk want to be all warlike and fierce until warlike stuff happens for real, then it's generally a different attitude.Thought that one through I am thinking of a particular day the size of the enterprise to have been a part of it, not thriving off the gore.
I know what you're trying to say. You've got to try and understand how it may sound to others, especially those of us who've seen war.
Isn't there only one answer? The side that won.
DDay was horrific, makes what I went through pale into insignificance. Why you'd want to imagine which side you'd like to pick is beyond me. Most people were lucky if they made it off the landing platforms, let alone the beach. In asking such a question had to open it up to all national participants...Germans etc, included
I knew a man in the nursing home I worked in a long time ago. He was forced out of his nursing profession. Into a locked train carriage, sent down to the seaside, frogmarched into an amphibious tank and loaded onto a ship. He had no choice in the matter. That man stormed the beach 7 times that day, to help the injured and dying men on the beach. Not to kill anyone.
I'd be that man. No country. No Army. Just one dude doing his best to make the world a better place for the little guys. "
Sounds a bit like Hacksaw Ridge. |
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Hitler's all-conquering stormtroopers 'felt invincible because of crystal meth-style drug Pervitin.
The methamphetamine-based drug Pervitin was manufactured from 1937 onwards by the Nazis and distributed among the armed forces
Hitler’s armies carried out their “Blitzkrieg” invasions of Poland and France while high on a version of crystal meth which kept them wide awake, feeling euphoric and invincible, says a new book about the Nazis’ use of drugs during the Second World War |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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" Some folk want to be all warlike and fierce until warlike stuff happens for real, then it's generally a different attitude.Thought that one through I am thinking of a particular day the size of the enterprise to have been a part of it, not thriving off the gore.
I know what you're trying to say. You've got to try and understand how it may sound to others, especially those of us who've seen war.
Isn't there only one answer? The side that won.
DDay was horrific, makes what I went through pale into insignificance. Why you'd want to imagine which side you'd like to pick is beyond me. Most people were lucky if they made it off the landing platforms, let alone the beach. In asking such a question had to open it up to all national participants...Germans etc, included
I knew a man in the nursing home I worked in a long time ago. He was forced out of his nursing profession. Into a locked train carriage, sent down to the seaside, frogmarched into an amphibious tank and loaded onto a ship. He had no choice in the matter. That man stormed the beach 7 times that day, to help the injured and dying men on the beach. Not to kill anyone.
I'd be that man. No country. No Army. Just one dude doing his best to make the world a better place for the little guys.
Sounds a bit like Hacksaw Ridge."
Just saw the trailer of the film...yours is an interesting comment! |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Hitler's all-conquering stormtroopers 'felt invincible because of crystal meth-style drug Pervitin.
The methamphetamine-based drug Pervitin was manufactured from 1937 onwards by the Nazis and distributed among the armed forces
Hitler’s armies carried out their “Blitzkrieg” invasions of Poland and France while high on a version of crystal meth which kept them wide awake, feeling euphoric and invincible, says a new book about the Nazis’ use of drugs during the Second World War"
Quite interesting |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Hitler's all-conquering stormtroopers 'felt invincible because of crystal meth-style drug Pervitin.
The methamphetamine-based drug Pervitin was manufactured from 1937 onwards by the Nazis and distributed among the armed forces
Hitler’s armies carried out their “Blitzkrieg” invasions of Poland and France while high on a version of crystal meth which kept them wide awake, feeling euphoric and invincible, says a new book about the Nazis’ use of drugs during the Second World War"
The use of drugs to sustain troops has been widespread by many countries including the UK throughout history.
I'm not sure it was the norm though! |
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By (user no longer on site)
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Hi ...
I couldnt possibly comment on your personal experience and wouldnt try...but...
You really are mistaken... there are thousands who really care about the situation vets find themselves due to a shite government. Thousands of people try to change things for vets for the better.
With best wishes an active RBL member. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Hitler's all-conquering stormtroopers 'felt invincible because of crystal meth-style drug Pervitin.
The methamphetamine-based drug Pervitin was manufactured from 1937 onwards by the Nazis and distributed among the armed forces
Hitler’s armies carried out their “Blitzkrieg” invasions of Poland and France while high on a version of crystal meth which kept them wide awake, feeling euphoric and invincible, says a new book about the Nazis’ use of drugs during the Second World War
The use of drugs to sustain troops has been widespread by many countries including the UK throughout history.
I'm not sure it was the norm though!"
Indeed |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"Hitler's all-conquering stormtroopers 'felt invincible because of crystal meth-style drug Pervitin.
The methamphetamine-based drug Pervitin was manufactured from 1937 onwards by the Nazis and distributed among the armed forces
Hitler’s armies carried out their “Blitzkrieg” invasions of Poland and France while high on a version of crystal meth which kept them wide awake, feeling euphoric and invincible, says a new book about the Nazis’ use of drugs during the Second World War"
Pass on to me the title of that book when you can. In reading about the US Airborne travelling to Normandy many took a pill which happened to make them drowsy I recall it was for air sickness...but I have thought it may have had different uses. Benzedrine in Vietnam taken to help people stay awake. Drugs in war makes an interesting topic. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Hitler's all-conquering stormtroopers 'felt invincible because of crystal meth-style drug Pervitin.
The methamphetamine-based drug Pervitin was manufactured from 1937 onwards by the Nazis and distributed among the armed forces
Hitler’s armies carried out their “Blitzkrieg” invasions of Poland and France while high on a version of crystal meth which kept them wide awake, feeling euphoric and invincible, says a new book about the Nazis’ use of drugs during the Second World WarPass on to me the title of that book when you can. In reading about the US Airborne travelling to Normandy many took a pill which happened to make them drowsy I recall it was for air sickness...but I have thought it may have had different uses. Benzedrine in Vietnam taken to help people stay awake. Drugs in war makes an interesting topic."
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/hitlers-all-conquering-stormtroopers-felt-invincible-because-of-crystal-meth-style-drug-pervitin-10499087.html |
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"Hitler's all-conquering stormtroopers 'felt invincible because of crystal meth-style drug Pervitin.
The methamphetamine-based drug Pervitin was manufactured from 1937 onwards by the Nazis and distributed among the armed forces
Hitler’s armies carried out their “Blitzkrieg” invasions of Poland and France while high on a version of crystal meth which kept them wide awake, feeling euphoric and invincible, says a new book about the Nazis’ use of drugs during the Second World WarPass on to me the title of that book when you can. In reading about the US Airborne travelling to Normandy many took a pill which happened to make them drowsy I recall it was for air sickness...but I have thought it may have had different uses. Benzedrine in Vietnam taken to help people stay awake. Drugs in war makes an interesting topic.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/hitlers-all-conquering-stormtroopers-felt-invincible-because-of-crystal-meth-style-drug-pervitin-10499087.html"
I read it from this, I am also reading about MK Ultra which is a mind blowing read |
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"Hitler's all-conquering stormtroopers 'felt invincible because of crystal meth-style drug Pervitin.
The methamphetamine-based drug Pervitin was manufactured from 1937 onwards by the Nazis and distributed among the armed forces
Hitler’s armies carried out their “Blitzkrieg” invasions of Poland and France while high on a version of crystal meth which kept them wide awake, feeling euphoric and invincible, says a new book about the Nazis’ use of drugs during the Second World WarPass on to me the title of that book when you can. In reading about the US Airborne travelling to Normandy many took a pill which happened to make them drowsy I recall it was for air sickness...but I have thought it may have had different uses. Benzedrine in Vietnam taken to help people stay awake. Drugs in war makes an interesting topic.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/hitlers-all-conquering-stormtroopers-felt-invincible-because-of-crystal-meth-style-drug-pervitin-10499087.html"
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"Hi ...
I couldnt possibly comment on your personal experience and wouldnt try...but...
You really are mistaken... there are thousands who really care about the situation vets find themselves due to a shite government. Thousands of people try to change things for vets for the better.
With best wishes an active RBL member."
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You ever been in a war op,not knowing, if you will, live or die? If your next breath, is your last your next footstep your last,?
The physical and mental Scares,
Keep Playing COD and stop.making immature comments please,I can assure you anyone who has been in that position has been scared, terrified, and traumatised.
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"You ever been in a war op,not knowing, if you will, live or die? If your next breath, is your last your next footstep your last,?
The physical and mental Scares,
Keep Playing COD and stop.making immature comments please,I can assure you anyone who has been in that position has been scared, terrified, and traumatised.
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I appreciate your comments and there is a gulf between experience and none. Believe me I am not demeaning the cost suffered physically or mentally.but remember this very few communities have
warriors from birth...and if by posting such a question It opens up such discourse fine by me. I wish you well and your words are enlightening. |
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To all veterans do not presume every civilian has not read,considered,had compassion and talked to veterans. In asking such a question about a historic event
It does not come from a careless attitude, but from a inquiring mind. Which is often how books get written,planets get realigned,etc etc etc. |
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By *sGivesWoodWoman
over a year ago
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"If you could have participated in the D Day landings in WW2 what group of any nations military would you have wanted to have experienced it with?
None of them, the d day landing were brutal and in the words of many survivors; like hell.
I can't think of anything worse to want to be part of
Then it's a good job for us those people went through hell. Without them I doubt we'd even be here. All respect to them.
He was not disrespecting them.
He is honouring them, the survivors has stated how bad it was to be there, clearly not wanting to wish that position upon anyone.
So I fully agree with him, why the fuck would anyone want to choose the experience it? Regardless of what the fighting was for and what it meant to be victorious does not change the fact that even the people who were there would not want to relive such a brutal part of history."
Didn't say he was being disrespectful at all. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"You ever been in a war op,not knowing, if you will, live or die? If your next breath, is your last your next footstep your last,?
The physical and mental Scares,
Keep Playing COD and stop.making immature comments please,I can assure you anyone who has been in that position has been scared, terrified, and traumatised.
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No pal I just got what you
were saying I don't play call of duty I'm a well studied history buff. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"You ever been in a war op,not knowing, if you will, live or die? If your next breath, is your last your next footstep your last,?
The physical and mental Scares,
Keep Playing COD and stop.making immature comments please,I can assure you anyone who has been in that position has been scared, terrified, and traumatised.
No pal I just got what you
were saying I don't play call of duty I'm a well studied history buff."
I wasn't presuming anything. The amateur history buff in me understands the difference if your question is gaming strategy related. The way you've worded it, the way in which you seem to be defending yourself; makes us think youre asking us to imagine the reality.
That brings up all sorts of bad stuff up. Like politics! And a whole host of ghosts out the closet, for a great many people. For Civvies and Squaddies alike.
A public forum isn't really the best place to get a positive reaction about the kind of question you're asking, unless it's a Forum for gaming related or military history enthusiasts.
You're inviting comments from Humanists, Hippies, Conservatives, Labours, Proffessors, Clueless, Veterans, Loved ones, Widows, Orphans, Family.
Tread delicately or word your question and answers more clearly. A simple mistake can change the context in the blink of an eye. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"You ever been in a war op,not knowing, if you will, live or die? If your next breath, is your last your next footstep your last,?
The physical and mental Scares,
Keep Playing COD and stop.making immature comments please,I can assure you anyone who has been in that position has been scared, terrified, and traumatised.
No pal I just got what you
were saying I don't play call of duty I'm a well studied history buff.
I wasn't presuming anything. The amateur history buff in me understands the difference if your question is gaming strategy related. The way you've worded it, the way in which you seem to be defending yourself; makes us think youre asking us to imagine the reality.
That brings up all sorts of bad stuff up. Like politics! And a whole host of ghosts out the closet, for a great many people. For Civvies and Squaddies alike.
A public forum isn't really the best place to get a positive reaction about the kind of question you're asking, unless it's a Forum for gaming related or military history enthusiasts.
You're inviting comments from Humanists, Hippies, Conservatives, Labours, Proffessors, Clueless, Veterans, Loved ones, Widows, Orphans, Family.
Tread delicately or word your question and answers more clearly. A simple mistake can change the context in the blink of an eye."
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