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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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That life’s what you make it?
All these posts about Karma, Fate and Ghosts and Faith lately. Who’s believes in none of it or is it just me?
Don’t get me wrong I often wish I did and I’m not knocking anyone that does. Am I too much of a skeptic? |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"That life’s what you make it?
All these posts about Karma, Fate and Ghosts and Faith lately. Who’s believes in none of it or is it just me?
Don’t get me wrong I often wish I did and I’m not knocking anyone that does. Am I too much of a skeptic?"
My mind is too open to not believe in something though what the something is, well I don’t know... all I know is this:
To no longer believe in the magic,
To no longer look up at the stars in awe,
To no longer take in the warm breeze
To no longer have faith...
Can only mean to no longer have hope x |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"That life’s what you make it?
All these posts about Karma, Fate and Ghosts and Faith lately. Who’s believes in none of it or is it just me?
Don’t get me wrong I often wish I did and I’m not knocking anyone that does. Am I too much of a skeptic?
My mind is too open to not believe in something though what the something is, well I don’t know... all I know is this:
To no longer believe in the magic,
To no longer look up at the stars in awe,
To no longer take in the warm breeze
To no longer have faith...
Can only mean to no longer have hope x"
No that’s different. I’m all for that |
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By *emini ManMan
over a year ago
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I think they all play into one another to be honest - life is what you make *of* it not necessarily what you make it - some things you can't control to make it what you want it to be, so it's more about how you play the cards you are dealt as they become available to you.
Now for some part of that may come down to fate, karma, whatever that deals the cards - it's then down to you how you react to them. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"I think they all play into one another to be honest - life is what you make *of* it not necessarily what you make it - some things you can't control to make it what you want it to be, so it's more about how you play the cards you are dealt as they become available to you.
Now for some part of that may come down to fate, karma, whatever that deals the cards - it's then down to you how you react to them."
Yes you are so right. I like that. Life’s what you make “of” it, definitely. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"People who blame others or fate for their situation exasperate me its what you do in life that counts and it can make a real difference to your path in life. "
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Life is what you make it to an extent, you need certain things to align with your journey day in and out. You need to be self-motivated, disciplined, decisive and committed to a goal. Oddly you could have all that and still fall short.
The notion about whether you believe in karma, faith or ghost I suppose a direct experience is the key. If you don't or can't experience it I guess then it is just an imagination. like an orgasm to some women lol
I do believe in karma only to the point that you are around those you did wrong. So the environment and everyone around will be giving you the cold shoulder and can't wait for you to fall.
As the old saying smile and the world smiles along with you. To the same degree if you are rude and obnoxious the world will throw that energy back at you. |
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There are lots of positive, reasonable people with faith, but faith is not a positive in itself: simply believing stuff isn't a virtue. Isn't it akin to gullibility? Why would uou believe someone who says they know what happens after death AND how you can influence it? |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I think they all play into one another to be honest - life is what you make *of* it not necessarily what you make it - some things you can't control to make it what you want it to be, so it's more about how you play the cards you are dealt as they become available to you.
Now for some part of that may come down to fate, karma, whatever that deals the cards - it's then down to you how you react to them."
100% this
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By (user no longer on site)
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I'm on the fence about Karma, Fate and Ghosts and I'm not terribly religious. But, I have had an experience with a psychic and that really made me wonder about all things supernatural etc.
As for "life is what you make it",a friend actually said this to me recently because I was having a moan and it really annoyed me. She has just come into a lot of money and seemed to want to rub my nose in it. She has full health and total financial security, is retired at 55 and has 3 houses. Her whole life is a permanent holiday. I've worked very hard all my life and I haven't achieved all my goals because of my health and various other problems along the way. Sometimes it's not always possible to change your life to how you want it to be!
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I'm on the fence about Karma, Fate and Ghosts and I'm not terribly religious. But, I have had an experience with a psychic and that really made me wonder about all things supernatural etc.
As for "life is what you make it",a friend actually said this to me recently because I was having a moan and it really annoyed me. She has just come into a lot of money and seemed to want to rub my nose in it. She has full health and total financial security, is retired at 55 and has 3 houses. Her whole life is a permanent holiday. I've worked very hard all my life and I haven't achieved all my goals because of my health and various other problems along the way. Sometimes it's not always possible to change your life to how you want it to be!
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Correct, it's rare as rocking horse shit you can do all the things you want, especially when it comes to finances and work etc, but what you can do is commit to enjoying the things that you CAN do, find the beauty in things you may overlook.
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By (user no longer on site)
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I'm very torn on all of these things.
I do believe that life is what you make it however I want to believe there is a purpose for us being here something more, a grand plan I guess.
I don't want to believe that when we die that is it, it's over and done. But then I haven't really figured out exactly what it is that I do believe in. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"If it's as simple as life is what you make it why are some able to make their lives so much better than others..."
Refer to the comment above yours x |
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I’m a cynic; Whilst the old saying, ‘Life is what you make it’ is delightfully positive, it fails to take into account the often disruptive and indeed, sometimes destructive influence of people around us and the consequent dramatic impact they have upon our lives.
.....unless of course one lives a completely solitary life on a secluded island in the middle of nowhere  |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"If it's as simple as life is what you make it why are some able to make their lives so much better than others...
Refer to the comment above yours x "
I did. But it doesn't really answer the question. Yes we all make choices, some good some less so.
Yet that ability to make choices is limited by the starting point of another, who's choices will I suggest reflect their life experiences circumstances and what choices may be available to them.
Personally I find it to be an over simplification of what drives the choices any of us may make as they are always conditioned by past experience, for good or bad, behaviour patterns, and the choices that may be within our power to make.
An individual's belief systems karma etc are personal to them and if they believe that such things influence their choices, then to that person it is their reality and as valid to them as any other decision making criteria. It may influence their choices, but doesn't necessarily change the outcomes of those choices.
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I don't believe in karma or fate, the juries out for me where ghosts are concerned. I do believe that life is what you make it. If you are in a crap situation but approach it positively your life will feel better than if you lay around wailing about how hard life is. I don't however advocate telling people in genuinely awful positions eg bereavement, terrible illness to be positive that's just insensitive and not helpful. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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Yes, life’s what you make it, sometimes it’s fate, I think karma will happen to those that deserve it and I believe in ghosts. I’m a mixture and choose to believe in lots of things and ignore lots too. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Life is what you make it to an extent, you need certain things to align with your journey day in and out. You need to be self-motivated, disciplined, decisive and committed to a goal. Oddly you could have all that and still fall short.
The notion about whether you believe in karma, faith or ghost I suppose a direct experience is the key. If you don't or can't experience it I guess then it is just an imagination. like an orgasm to some women lol
I do believe in karma only to the point that you are around those you did wrong. So the environment and everyone around will be giving you the cold shoulder and can't wait for you to fall.
As the old saying smile and the world smiles along with you. To the same degree if you are rude and obnoxious the world will throw that energy back at you."
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By *bi HaiveMan
over a year ago
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"That life’s what you make it?
All these posts about Karma, Fate and Ghosts and Faith lately. Who’s believes in none of it or is it just me?
Don’t get me wrong I often wish I did and I’m not knocking anyone that does. Am I too much of a skeptic?"
I don't believe in any of that either.
Life can be what you make it. Or at least try to and compromise along the way.
Doesn't stop people and things throwing shit and hurdles in your path
But there's certainly nothing supernatural or otherworldly dictating what happens to you.
Luck? Yes. Gods, ghosts and fairies? Fuck off.... 
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My luck is dictated by the choices I make. Sometimes I make really bad ones and others turn out amazingly. I still call it luck.
Karma is a nice thought and it’s great to see good things happen to good people but I know
it’s just as easy that bad things happen to them too. Such is life.
Wishing on a star just in case doesn’t hurt though. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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I don't believe in any of it either, however, I would like to be proved wrong about an afterlife
Something I've pondered for a while. Is grief harder to deal with when you don't have religious /spiritual beliefs? |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"That life’s what you make it?
All these posts about Karma, Fate and Ghosts and Faith lately. Who’s believes in none of it or is it just me?
Don’t get me wrong I often wish I did and I’m not knocking anyone that does. Am I too much of a skeptic?"
I'm with you on this, I get what you're saying. I was raised as a Christian and as soon as I was old enough to ask certain questions, I realised all logic falls by the wayside. It's all down to beliefs.
I knock nobody's beliefs but just don't like when anyone tries to impose their beliefs on you or suggest you're the weird one... |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"I don't believe in any of it either, however, I would like to be proved wrong about an afterlife
Something I've pondered for a while. Is grief harder to deal with when you don't have religious /spiritual beliefs? "
I think it probably is easier for people with beliefs. I do sometimes wish I did believe in things. I think I’m more agnostic than atheist. Give me proof and I’ll believe. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I don't believe in any of it either, however, I would like to be proved wrong about an afterlife
Something I've pondered for a while. Is grief harder to deal with when you don't have religious /spiritual beliefs?
I think it probably is easier for people with beliefs. I do sometimes wish I did believe in things. I think I’m more agnostic than atheist. Give me proof and I’ll believe. "
I'm an atheist for sure, but I'd happily believe if shown the evidence.
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By *itty9899Man
over a year ago
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"That life’s what you make it?
All these posts about Karma, Fate and Ghosts and Faith lately. Who’s believes in none of it or is it just me?
Don’t get me wrong I often wish I did and I’m not knocking anyone that does. Am I too much of a skeptic?"
I just believe I'm in the matrix. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"That life’s what you make it?
All these posts about Karma, Fate and Ghosts and Faith lately. Who’s believes in none of it or is it just me?
Don’t get me wrong I often wish I did and I’m not knocking anyone that does. Am I too much of a skeptic?
I'm with you on this, I get what you're saying. I was raised as a Christian and as soon as I was old enough to ask certain questions, I realised all logic falls by the wayside. It's all down to beliefs.
I knock nobody's beliefs but just don't like when anyone tries to impose their beliefs on you or suggest you're the weird one..."
I agree with this. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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Life is what you make it.
But let's face facts - some people are given better odds.
Some of us are the baby born on the council estate to a single parent who didn't have a lot growing up and no chance of bettering ourselves unless we were exceptional.
And then there are some of us that were born into the middle class family that provided our children with everything they needed to succeed in life.
No guarantees we would - but the tools were there.
And then the tiny percentage of us that were born rich.
We could choose to do anything we wanted because we had no financial worries.
I believe in circumstance and the handed were dealt and the life that we lived before becoming an adult.
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"That life’s what you make it?
All these posts about Karma, Fate and Ghosts and Faith lately. Who’s believes in none of it or is it just me?
Don’t get me wrong I often wish I did and I’m not knocking anyone that does. Am I too much of a skeptic?
I don't believe in any of that either.
Life can be what you make it. Or at least try to and compromise along the way.
Doesn't stop people and things throwing shit and hurdles in your path
But there's certainly nothing supernatural or otherworldly dictating what happens to you.
Luck? Yes. Gods, ghosts and fairies? Fuck off....
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Whoa back up there one minute! I said nothing about fairies! You’ll be saying Santa’s not real next.  |
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I'm a Skeptic. And I have enough skepticism to ensure that I think there is more to THIS than just THAT.I'm skeptical enough about myself and those around me to believe that there might be more to LIFE, The Universe and EVERYTHING than just Facebook, iPhones and ASDA.
Ever "felt" anything? Like... anything that didn't come from an App, a BOGOF or a great deal on an eBay purchase?
Skepicism can mean believing that there has to be "more than THIS". |
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By (user no longer on site)
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My minds to open to believe in anything like that.
I like evidence to back up any outlandish claim.
Evidence is very thin on the ground for any of the faith,ghosts alternative thoughts etc |
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"My minds to open to believe in anything like that.
I like evidence to back up any outlandish claim.
Evidence is very thin on the ground for any of the faith,ghosts alternative thoughts etc "
My thoughts are, where is the evidence to disprove it? 200 years ago if people had said a metal object will fly in the sky and people said "prove it", they couldn't.  |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"My minds to open to believe in anything like that.
I like evidence to back up any outlandish claim.
Evidence is very thin on the ground for any of the faith,ghosts alternative thoughts etc
My thoughts are, where is the evidence to disprove it? 200 years ago if people had said a metal object will fly in the sky and people said "prove it", they couldn't. "
They could prove it as the science was there.unlikebthe existence of ghosts.
I have evidence in front of me to disprove it. Its an empty box |
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"My minds to open to believe in anything like that.
I like evidence to back up any outlandish claim.
Evidence is very thin on the ground for any of the faith,ghosts alternative thoughts etc
My thoughts are, where is the evidence to disprove it? 200 years ago if people had said a metal object will fly in the sky and people said "prove it", they couldn't.
They could prove it as the science was there.unlikebthe existence of ghosts.
I have evidence in front of me to disprove it. Its an empty box "
But the people 200 years ago were right. At that time metal things absolutely couldn't fly in the sky, so it was perfectly reasonable to believe they couldn't.
Given the lack of evidence of ghosts, its entirely reasonable to believe they don't exist. If evidence later comes along to show they do exist, it will then be reasonable to believe they do.
As Keynes famously said "when the evidence changes, I change my opinion. What do you do?" |
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"My minds to open to believe in anything like that.
I like evidence to back up any outlandish claim.
Evidence is very thin on the ground for any of the faith,ghosts alternative thoughts etc
My thoughts are, where is the evidence to disprove it? 200 years ago if people had said a metal object will fly in the sky and people said "prove it", they couldn't.
They could prove it as the science was there.unlikebthe existence of ghosts.
I have evidence in front of me to disprove it. Its an empty box
But the people 200 years ago were right. At that time metal things absolutely couldn't fly in the sky, so it was perfectly reasonable to believe they couldn't.
Given the lack of evidence of ghosts, its entirely reasonable to believe they don't exist. If evidence later comes along to show they do exist, it will then be reasonable to believe they do.
As Keynes famously said "when the evidence changes, I change my opinion. What do you do?" "
But someone needed to believe flight was possible or the evidence still wouldn't be there |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"My minds to open to believe in anything like that.
I like evidence to back up any outlandish claim.
Evidence is very thin on the ground for any of the faith,ghosts alternative thoughts etc
My thoughts are, where is the evidence to disprove it? 200 years ago if people had said a metal object will fly in the sky and people said "prove it", they couldn't.
They could prove it as the science was there.unlikebthe existence of ghosts.
I have evidence in front of me to disprove it. Its an empty box
But the people 200 years ago were right. At that time metal things absolutely couldn't fly in the sky, so it was perfectly reasonable to believe they couldn't.
Given the lack of evidence of ghosts, its entirely reasonable to believe they don't exist. If evidence later comes along to show they do exist, it will then be reasonable to believe they do.
As Keynes famously said "when the evidence changes, I change my opinion. What do you do?" "
Just because there's currently no evidence, doesn't mean there won't be in the future. |
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"My minds to open to believe in anything like that.
I like evidence to back up any outlandish claim.
Evidence is very thin on the ground for any of the faith,ghosts alternative thoughts etc
My thoughts are, where is the evidence to disprove it? 200 years ago if people had said a metal object will fly in the sky and people said "prove it", they couldn't.
They could prove it as the science was there.unlikebthe existence of ghosts.
I have evidence in front of me to disprove it. Its an empty box
But the people 200 years ago were right. At that time metal things absolutely couldn't fly in the sky, so it was perfectly reasonable to believe they couldn't.
Given the lack of evidence of ghosts, its entirely reasonable to believe they don't exist. If evidence later comes along to show they do exist, it will then be reasonable to believe they do.
As Keynes famously said "when the evidence changes, I change my opinion. What do you do?"
Just because there's currently no evidence, doesn't mean there won't be in the future. "
I know, but you can say that about anything.
Just because I have no evidence that you are a mass murderer, does not mean that you aren't.
Reasonable people act on the basis of existing evidence, not on the basis of speculation about evidence that they might conceivably exist at some future time. |
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"My minds to open to believe in anything like that.
I like evidence to back up any outlandish claim.
Evidence is very thin on the ground for any of the faith,ghosts alternative thoughts etc
My thoughts are, where is the evidence to disprove it? 200 years ago if people had said a metal object will fly in the sky and people said "prove it", they couldn't.
They could prove it as the science was there.unlikebthe existence of ghosts.
I have evidence in front of me to disprove it. Its an empty box
But the people 200 years ago were right. At that time metal things absolutely couldn't fly in the sky, so it was perfectly reasonable to believe they couldn't.
Given the lack of evidence of ghosts, its entirely reasonable to believe they don't exist. If evidence later comes along to show they do exist, it will then be reasonable to believe they do.
As Keynes famously said "when the evidence changes, I change my opinion. What do you do?"
But someone needed to believe flight was possible or the evidence still wouldn't be there "
People had believed human flight was possible since the dawn of time. See the icarus myth for example. It was only with technological developments in the 19th century that it became actually possible.
So it wasn't someone's bright idea re the possibility of human flight that made it a reality. It was hard theoretical work based on existing technologies that got someone there. |
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"My minds to open to believe in anything like that.
I like evidence to back up any outlandish claim.
Evidence is very thin on the ground for any of the faith,ghosts alternative thoughts etc
My thoughts are, where is the evidence to disprove it? 200 years ago if people had said a metal object will fly in the sky and people said "prove it", they couldn't.
They could prove it as the science was there.unlikebthe existence of ghosts.
I have evidence in front of me to disprove it. Its an empty box
But the people 200 years ago were right. At that time metal things absolutely couldn't fly in the sky, so it was perfectly reasonable to believe they couldn't.
Given the lack of evidence of ghosts, its entirely reasonable to believe they don't exist. If evidence later comes along to show they do exist, it will then be reasonable to believe they do.
As Keynes famously said "when the evidence changes, I change my opinion. What do you do?"
Just because there's currently no evidence, doesn't mean there won't be in the future.
I know, but you can say that about anything.
Just because I have no evidence that you are a mass murderer, does not mean that you aren't.
Reasonable people act on the basis of existing evidence, not on the basis of speculation about evidence that they might conceivably exist at some future time. "
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"That life’s what you make it?
All these posts about Karma, Fate and Ghosts and Faith lately. Who’s believes in none of it or is it just me?
Don’t get me wrong I often wish I did and I’m not knocking anyone that does. Am I too much of a skeptic?"
To a certain degree our lives are made up of choices we make but I do beleive certain things do happen for a reason |
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