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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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I am reading an interesting book called that by robert plomin, it sais that we all have obnormal genes the difference is how much of it we got on the scale, also that parenting does not always make us who we are as we are following a blueprint already set in stone so to speak, whats your view? |
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Yeah it’s the old nature v nurture debate isn’t it?
There are certain things that your parents will impart in you and you will grow up doing that but then there are things that you just naturally do because it’s in your dna |
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My view on DNA is that they did an excellent job on Suzanne Vegas, Toms Diner. Took an otherwise ordinary little ditty and gave it the beats that it was calling out for. |
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"I am reading an interesting book called that by robert plomin, it sais that we all have obnormal genes the difference is how much of it we got on the scale, also that parenting does not always make us who we are as we are following a blueprint already set in stone so to speak, whats your view?"
Indeed ,, there is a piece of genetic code that a proportion of the world population have that statistically, a high majority of prisoners have and almost all on death row have
Statistically if you have the code you are six times more likely to commit violent crime
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"Some studies on identical twins have shown nature, is a more defining than nuture."
There’s a documentary where twins separated at birth with no contact whatsoever, when reunited, had the same quirks and same habits as each other. |
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"Some studies on identical twins have shown nature, is a more defining than nuture.
There’s a documentary where twins separated at birth with no contact whatsoever, when reunited, had the same quirks and same habits as each other. "
Yep. Saw it 
There are others that look at physical stuff. Separated twins and body mass, bone density etc, despite living and eating in different countries and cultures. |
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"Some studies on identical twins have shown nature, is a more defining than nuture.
There’s a documentary where twins separated at birth with no contact whatsoever, when reunited, had the same quirks and same habits as each other.
Yep. Saw it
There are others that look at physical stuff. Separated twins and body mass, bone density etc, despite living and eating in different countries and cultures."
Physiological traits I can understand being the same due to DNA being identical. But behavioural traits being the same baffles me, as I always figured you’re born into this world as blank sheet of paper and the experiences you go through life growing up make you behave in a certain way. 
“A priori” comes to mind but I don’t fully grasp the concept. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Yeah it’s the old nature v nurture debate isn’t it?
There are certain things that your parents will impart in you and you will grow up doing that but then there are things that you just naturally do because it’s in your dna "
Totally right, for example you could be propsitoned to be a serial killer but if your home environment and life in general has not nurtured that, then it won't become apparent. I love psychology  |
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By (user no longer on site)
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The whole nature nurture argument?
I think there’s a lot of potential for genes to play a part in how we behave but then again so does how we are brought up. It’s neither one or the other, but a combination of both . |
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"Some studies on identical twins have shown nature, is a more defining than nuture.
There’s a documentary where twins separated at birth with no contact whatsoever, when reunited, had the same quirks and same habits as each other.
Yep. Saw it
There are others that look at physical stuff. Separated twins and body mass, bone density etc, despite living and eating in different countries and cultures.
Physiological traits I can understand being the same due to DNA being identical. But behavioural traits being the same baffles me, as I always figured you’re born into this world as blank sheet of paper and the experiences you go through life growing up make you behave in a certain way.
“A priori” comes to mind but I don’t fully grasp the concept. "
Those twins shared the same humour, drank the same beer, had similar careers, married people similar to each other's twin, smoked the same cigarettes.......yet separated at a very young age, being raised in different contries sometimes. Not what I expected. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"The whole nature nurture argument?
I think there’s a lot of potential for genes to play a part in how we behave but then again so does how we are brought up. It’s neither one or the other, but a combination of both . "
That isn't what the identical twin separated at a young age showed. I was totally suprised too. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"The whole nature nurture argument?
I think there’s a lot of potential for genes to play a part in how we behave but then again so does how we are brought up. It’s neither one or the other, but a combination of both .
That isn't what the identical twin separated at a young age showed. I was totally suprised too. "
Sounds like blood brothers the musical lol |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Anyone know much about epi-genetics?
Turning stuff on and off "
Mark passio does an interesting lecture on epi-genetics. You can find him on his website - what on earth is happening- or on youtube. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Anyone know much about epi-genetics?
Turning stuff on and off
Mark passio does an interesting lecture on epi-genetics. You can find him on his website - what on earth is happening- or on youtube. "
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By (user no longer on site)
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"The whole nature nurture argument?
I think there’s a lot of potential for genes to play a part in how we behave but then again so does how we are brought up. It’s neither one or the other, but a combination of both .
That isn't what the identical twin separated at a young age showed. I was totally suprised too.
Sounds like blood brothers the musical lol"
One twin would be raised in a loving, wealthy adopted family, totally doted on. The other twin was adopted by a couple who instantly regretted adopting her. Ignored her, not financially well off. Both girls were shy, withdrawn and loved books.
Only one example, there was a few. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Anyone know much about epi-genetics?
Turning stuff on and off
Mark passio does an interesting lecture on epi-genetics. You can find him on his website - what on earth is happening- or on youtube.
Thanks "
Oh actually, I think it's epi-eugenics he touches on....my bad! Still fascinating though! |
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"The whole nature nurture argument?
I think there’s a lot of potential for genes to play a part in how we behave but then again so does how we are brought up. It’s neither one or the other, but a combination of both .
That isn't what the identical twin separated at a young age showed. I was totally suprised too.
Sounds like blood brothers the musical lol
One twin would be raised in a loving, wealthy adopted family, totally doted on. The other twin was adopted by a couple who instantly regretted adopting her. Ignored her, not financially well off. Both girls were shy, withdrawn and loved books.
Only one example, there was a few."
This may be the “abnormal gene” popularly termed in OP’s book, playing a significant role in their behaviour, which rightly so has nothing to do with nurture.
I have to say some of you fabbers are amazing people and quite an eye opener for me in a very positive way.
“Science is bloody amazin’!!! ” |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"The whole nature nurture argument?
I think there’s a lot of potential for genes to play a part in how we behave but then again so does how we are brought up. It’s neither one or the other, but a combination of both .
That isn't what the identical twin separated at a young age showed. I was totally suprised too. "
We’re the upbringings (moral standpoints of the parents) vastly different? Was one brought up in wealth and the other poor?
I haven’t seen the studies but I’d suggest that vastly different upbringings would show vastly different characters in adulthood even in this scenario.
Don’t suppose you know what it was called? |
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"The whole nature nurture argument?
I think there’s a lot of potential for genes to play a part in how we behave but then again so does how we are brought up. It’s neither one or the other, but a combination of both .
That isn't what the identical twin separated at a young age showed. I was totally suprised too.
We’re the upbringings (moral standpoints of the parents) vastly different? Was one brought up in wealth and the other poor?
I haven’t seen the studies but I’d suggest that vastly different upbringings would show vastly different characters in adulthood even in this scenario.
Don’t suppose you know what it was called? "
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=separated+at+birth+same+traits
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By (user no longer on site)
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"The whole nature nurture argument?
I think there’s a lot of potential for genes to play a part in how we behave but then again so does how we are brought up. It’s neither one or the other, but a combination of both .
That isn't what the identical twin separated at a young age showed. I was totally suprised too.
We’re the upbringings (moral standpoints of the parents) vastly different? Was one brought up in wealth and the other poor?
I haven’t seen the studies but I’d suggest that vastly different upbringings would show vastly different characters in adulthood even in this scenario.
Don’t suppose you know what it was called? "
It was over a decade ago. Vastly different upbringings. One man raised in hitler youth by his mother, one raised somewhere like the bahama's and carefree (the parents chose to take one twin each when they divorced  ).
Both men were both staggeringly similar. |
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Nature wins over nurture. Upbringing plays a part but so does personality, if it was purely upbringing then every psycos sibling would also be a psycho. Things get passed down to us through DNA as genetic memory, scientists electrified the floor of a mouse cage and would spray a citrus smell just before electrifying the mice, after only two generations the baby mice naturally knew to climb up off the floor when they smelled citrus, it's how we're born recognising threats in nature |
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DNA delivers your birth opportunities, that influence life but not totally controls it. Epigenetics also shows how our base genetic material is subject to environmental factors, including our experience. What our DNA has may be activated, suppressed etc - putting it bluntly - and patterns of such genetic material may influence how we experience life, health etc. Our personalities are developed from that DNA, Shaped by experience and via epigenetic feedback. We have some control and debateable levels of freewill upon the person that we develop into and our life results.
Family experience before we are born also appears able to influence out genetics and indirectly how we experience and live life too. |
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"I said this before but my mum was professional dominatrix in the 80s and 90s so I think I definitely inherited her kinky genes!"
Was she!? That's very interesting I bet she's got some tales to tell. What a fascinating life. |
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Deoxyribonucleic acid
I did a hefty exam on DNA and Cell production back in May..... jeeez it’s complicated stuff, took me friggin ages to get my head around Chromasomal and Teratogenic abnormalities.
Every single one of us has a different DNA gene code (except twins where it’s an exact replica)
It was incredibly fascinating learning and I passed the exam (60% pass rate min 2nd time around)
Bioavailability of drugs and Clinical Trials I hated!!  |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Deoxyribonucleic acid
I did a hefty exam on DNA and Cell production back in May..... jeeez it’s complicated stuff, took me friggin ages to get my head around Chromasomal and Teratogenic abnormalities.
Every single one of us has a different DNA gene code (except twins where it’s an exact replica)
It was incredibly fascinating learning and I passed the exam (60% pass rate min 2nd time around)
Bioavailability of drugs and Clinical Trials I hated!! "
Oh got that stuff is hard if you don't have a good lecturer |
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"Deoxyribonucleic acid
I did a hefty exam on DNA and Cell production back in May..... jeeez it’s complicated stuff, took me friggin ages to get my head around Chromasomal and Teratogenic abnormalities.
Every single one of us has a different DNA gene code (except twins where it’s an exact replica)
It was incredibly fascinating learning and I passed the exam (60% pass rate min 2nd time around)
Bioavailability of drugs and Clinical Trials I hated!!
Oh got that stuff is hard if you don't have a good lecturer "
It was the most difficult time of my career life |
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Scientists are currently studying genetic abnormalities back through families to see if it may be possible in the future to remove the abnormal gene
Do you know that often one of a twin will have a heart defect due to the heart being realigned during the embryo split process and it’s more centre than left... |
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"Scientists are currently studying genetic abnormalities back through families to see if it may be possible in the future to remove the abnormal gene
Do you know that often one of a twin will have a heart defect due to the heart being realigned during the embryo split process and it’s more centre than left..."
I didn’t know that. Always thought the split into identical embryos happened very early on after conception and well before any organ formation. I’m going on my A-Level days and understanding may have developed quite a lot since. |
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"Scientists are currently studying genetic abnormalities back through families to see if it may be possible in the future to remove the abnormal gene
Do you know that often one of a twin will have a heart defect due to the heart being realigned during the embryo split process and it’s more centre than left...
I didn’t know that. Always thought the split into identical embryos happened very early on after conception and well before any organ formation. I’m going on my A-Level days and understanding may have developed quite a lot since."
It does happen very early on yes you’re right but the cell formation that defines the split causes the heart in one to often be slightly centre as the nucleus can’t cope with two of the same and can’t decide where it should be! |
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By (user no longer on site)
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Gene editing will definitely be a thing in the very near future.A Chinese scientist created twins immune to HIV recently.
I think wealthier parents may choose to give their offspring a genetic advantage over others by editing their genome with technology like CRISPR. |
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By *VineMan
over a year ago
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I’ve been doing a bit of reading about epigenetics recently. It’s really interesting. While we can’t change our DNA we can change which genes get expressed by altering how tightly they are wound on the histone proteins and also which methyl groups can tag the dna to mute or draw out gene expression.
Some of these factors can be inherited but can also be changed due to environmental or chemical conditions. |
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By *ikeC81Man
over a year ago
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This is interesting. I have done a dna test and my mother has done one
We are related to a large number of Mormons through my grandads line, but I was expecting to see a large German dna like and we have hardly any.
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