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"Apols if this has been posted before, did a forum search and couldn’t see it! Lifted and pasted from a news source online : Shaving supply giant Gillette has sparked controversy with a new ad that challenges men to “shave their toxic masculinity”. The ad, created by the brand’s ad agency Grey and called “We Believe”, responds to the #MeToo movement and urges men to hold themselves to a higher standard. The video, which runs for just under two minutes, features a flurry of news clips about the women’s rights movement and bullying. The commercial depicts various scenes of men bullying and catcalling women, and fights breaking out between boys. “Is this the best a man can get, is it?” the ad’s narrator asks — a play on the shaving company’s famous tagline, “the best a man can get”. The video then shows men berating their friends for harassing women, a father breaking up the fight, and a mother cradling a boy who is being bullied through text messages. The narrator says men can no longer “hide” from issues like bullying and sexual harassment. “We can’t hide from it. It has been going on far too long. We can’t laugh it off, making the same old excuses.” The campaign has met with a mixed response - some praising for bringing issues of bullying and harassment to the forefront, while others have blamed the company for “shaming” men and pushing a “war” on masculinity. So, is this a positive step forward and an important uncomfortable truth to hit home or just some Social Justice Warriors and virtue signallers broadbrushing men? " They still sell razors,right? | |||
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"It’d be nice if they spent less on a huge and unnecessary advertising campaign and reduce tte price of those Fusion blades instead. Honestly, a drug habit would be cheaper "Well interestingly the patent on the mach 3 ran out a while ago so the company that owns Wilkinson sword basically copied them p&g has been sueing them for it for years i think now. | |||
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"I like that they are promoting men showing their feelings." It can be masculine for a man to be show his vulnerable side. | |||
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"It’d be nice if they spent less on a huge and unnecessary advertising campaign and reduce tte price of those Fusion blades instead. Honestly, a drug habit would be cheaper "They could have an ad with a woman shaving a man's balls; that would sell more razors I'm sure, and be cheaper. | |||
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"Piers Morgan tweeted this earlier : If Gillette made a commercial predicated on women being bad & this is how they can all be better... the same radical feminists loving this ad would go nuts. Is he a typical Gammon so bound to say something like that, or does he have a point? For what it’s worth, my view: of course the central message is sound and many people, men AND women need to put a mirror up to their behaviour. But this vogue trend of demonising men sometimes seems to be done just to be ‘trendy’ now! "The central message seems to be closest to original sin except for men instead of women tbh | |||
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"Bet this was a mans idea, trying to second guess what women want. " Wonder if he got any sex from it. | |||
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"Bet this was a mans idea, trying to second guess what women want. Wonder if he got any sex from it." Depends how good his shave was | |||
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"Bet this was a mans idea, trying to second guess what women want. Wonder if he got any sex from it." He’s probably trying to impress Claire from accounts. | |||
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"Piers Morgan tweeted this earlier : If Gillette made a commercial predicated on women being bad & this is how they can all be better... the same radical feminists loving this ad would go nuts. Is he a typical Gammon so bound to say something like that, or does he have a point? For what it’s worth, my view: of course the central message is sound and many people, men AND women need to put a mirror up to their behaviour. But this vogue trend of demonising men sometimes seems to be done just to be ‘trendy’ now! "Did you actually just use a Piers Morgan tweet in a discussion? Oh dear Dan... That's killed that side of the argument then | |||
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"Piers Morgan tweeted this earlier : If Gillette made a commercial predicated on women being bad & this is how they can all be better... the same radical feminists loving this ad would go nuts. Is he a typical Gammon so bound to say something like that, or does he have a point? For what it’s worth, my view: of course the central message is sound and many people, men AND women need to put a mirror up to their behaviour. But this vogue trend of demonising men sometimes seems to be done just to be ‘trendy’ now!
Did you actually just use a Piers Morgan tweet in a discussion?
Oh dear Dan...
That's killed that side of the argument then"I don't particularly like Piers, but he has a point. | |||
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"Men should go back to using cutthroat razors and growling at the moon. Or stop shaving." The strong silent type. | |||
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"Piers Morgan tweeted this earlier : If Gillette made a commercial predicated on women being bad & this is how they can all be better... the same radical feminists loving this ad would go nuts. Is he a typical Gammon so bound to say something like that, or does he have a point? For what it’s worth, my view: of course the central message is sound and many people, men AND women need to put a mirror up to their behaviour. But this vogue trend of demonising men sometimes seems to be done just to be ‘trendy’ now!
Did you actually just use a Piers Morgan tweet in a discussion?
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That's killed that side of the argument then" I left it open to agree or disagree with him! | |||
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"Piers Morgan tweeted this earlier : If Gillette made a commercial predicated on women being bad & this is how they can all be better... the same radical feminists loving this ad would go nuts. Is he a typical Gammon so bound to say something like that, or does he have a point? For what it’s worth, my view: of course the central message is sound and many people, men AND women need to put a mirror up to their behaviour. But this vogue trend of demonising men sometimes seems to be done just to be ‘trendy’ now!
Did you actually just use a Piers Morgan tweet in a discussion?
Oh dear Dan...
That's killed that side of the argument then
I don't particularly like Piers, but he has a point.
"No, he doesn't. He's making the same 'if they did this then..' argument he always does, it doesn't make any sense though and it's knee jerk BS | |||
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"You can’t please the feminists, so why even bother." Pissing into a gale force wind. | |||
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"You can’t please the feminists, so why even bother. Pissing into a gale force wind." Would you want to fuck them anyway? | |||
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"It’d be nice if they spent less on a huge and unnecessary advertising campaign and reduce tte price of those Fusion blades instead. Honestly, a drug habit would be cheaper
They could have an ad with a woman shaving a man's balls; that would sell more razors I'm sure, and be cheaper. "And infinitely more fun to watch | |||
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"I just think brands should stick to advertising, this has nothing to do with razors. From what I have seen on YouTube it has only 17,000 likes but 171,000 thumbs down. I think branding masculinity as something negative has put the back up of their target market though. I don't think it will stop men from buying though, people will forget as they always do, just as they will forget the advert.." They might have shot themselves in the foot with this one. | |||
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"I just think brands should stick to advertising, this has nothing to do with razors. From what I have seen on YouTube it has only 17,000 likes but 171,000 thumbs down. I think branding masculinity as something negative has put the back up of their target market though. I don't think it will stop men from buying though, people will forget as they always do, just as they will forget the advert.." I remember when thier adverts were basicaly "you're awesome and you deserve an awesome razor!!" The implication id get a 6 pack and a hot woman would stroke my face in the morning was also a plus | |||
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"It’d be nice if they spent less on a huge and unnecessary advertising campaign and reduce tte price of those Fusion blades instead. Honestly, a drug habit would be cheaper
They could have an ad with a woman shaving a man's balls; that would sell more razors I'm sure, and be cheaper.
And infinitely more fun to watch "I'd buy their razors after watching that ad  | |||
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"It's undeniable that some aspects of traditional masculinity can be bad for both individuals and society. Piers Morgan and those getting upset by a shaving advert pointing that out should really grow a thicker skin. " m Cause he’s prone to a shaving rash ? | |||
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"Piers Morgan tweeted this earlier : If Gillette made a commercial predicated on women being bad & this is how they can all be better... the same radical feminists loving this ad would go nuts. Is he a typical Gammon so bound to say something like that, or does he have a point? For what it’s worth, my view: of course the central message is sound and many people, men AND women need to put a mirror up to their behaviour. But this vogue trend of demonising men sometimes seems to be done just to be ‘trendy’ now!
Did you actually just use a Piers Morgan tweet in a discussion?
Oh dear Dan...
That's killed that side of the argument then
I don't particularly like Piers, but he has a point.
No, he doesn't. He's making the same 'if they did this then..' argument he always does, it doesn't make any sense though and it's knee jerk BS"It does make sense that women get away with stuff, because they are women and that annoys me. I want what I deserve. | |||
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"It's undeniable that some aspects of traditional masculinity can be bad for both individuals and society. Piers Morgan and those getting upset by a shaving advert pointing that out should really grow a thicker skin. " Do you think my shaving the balls ad would be a better idea? | |||
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"You can’t please the feminists, so why even bother. Pissing into a gale force wind. Would you want to fuck them anyway?" Not by choice but think I have by mistake.  | |||
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"It's undeniable that some aspects of traditional masculinity can be bad for both individuals and society. Piers Morgan and those getting upset by a shaving advert pointing that out should really grow a thicker skin. Do you think my shaving the balls ad would be a better idea?" It sounds oddly sexy. So yes. | |||
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"It's undeniable that some aspects of traditional masculinity can be bad for both individuals and society. Piers Morgan and those getting upset by a shaving advert pointing that out should really grow a thicker skin. Do you think my shaving the balls ad would be a better idea? It sounds oddly sexy. So yes. " I think it would sell razors. I might offer up the idea to Gillette. | |||
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"I'm buying their razors to shave, don't need life lessons from them"  | |||
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"Can you imagine the board meeting for this campaign. " Soya lattes all round! | |||
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"Can you imagine the board meeting for this campaign. Soya lattes all round! "Manstruation synchronisation. | |||
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The fact is this . We aren’t ready for this . Men still want to be men , and women still want a man to be a man . Of course no one wants a man or a boy to be a bully . Nor do we want men treating women as lesser beings in any way shape or form . But a company like Gillette who epitomise how a man is seen by himself , and how he identifies to women , shouldn’t know better than to bring out such a sickly homage to everything the ‘new age’ man should be according to the gender equality commission and other such similar groups . And it’s any wonder the outrage is as strong as it is . To have an advert with 10X as many dislikes to likes is incredible . And proof that this isn’t what people want . | |||
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"It got you all talking about Gillette razors tho didn't it?!... the ad has worked!! All publicity is good publicity" Well not always! Everyone was talking about Gerald Ratner after he said his products were ‘total crap’ .. wasn’t the best marketing ploy! Not all publicity is necessarily good publicity! | |||
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"It's not a war on masculinity, its a war on toxic masculinity. It sounds a bit 'on the nose' so to speak, but I've not seen it so I can't really say. Personally I think it's the right message though and any advert where the man isn't seen as a 'bumbling lovable' idiot is welcome. " Agreed | |||
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"It got you all talking about Gillette razors tho didn't it?!... the ad has worked!! All publicity is good publicity Well not always! Everyone was talking about Gerald Ratner after he said his products were ‘total crap’ .. wasn’t the best marketing ploy! Not all publicity is necessarily good publicity! "yeah i forgot about him... well pointed out! We need gillette to say 'end toxic masculinity' ps our razors are crap...got on to their marketing boffins | |||
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"Well I’ve just watched it , and it seems they’ve spent way too much time in the same places , listening to the same rhetoric as the loony left , pc liberals who love to berate me on here ! Infact it wouldn’t surprise me if a couple of posters on here weren’t involved in making it !
The fact is this . We aren’t ready for this . Men still want to be men , and women still want a man to be a man . Of course no one wants a man or a boy to be a bully . Nor do we want men treating women as lesser beings in any way shape or form . But a company like Gillette who epitomise how a man is seen by himself , and how he identifies to women , shouldn’t know better than to bring out such a sickly homage to everything the ‘new age’ man should be according to the gender equality commission and other such similar groups . And it’s any wonder the outrage is as strong as it is . To have an advert with 10X as many dislikes to likes is incredible . And proof that this isn’t what people want ."Some women want to be the man in the relationship  | |||
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"Well I’ve just watched it , and it seems they’ve spent way too much time in the same places , listening to the same rhetoric as the loony left , pc liberals who love to berate me on here ! Infact it wouldn’t surprise me if a couple of posters on here weren’t involved in making it !
The fact is this . We aren’t ready for this . Men still want to be men , and women still want a man to be a man . Of course no one wants a man or a boy to be a bully . Nor do we want men treating women as lesser beings in any way shape or form . But a company like Gillette who epitomise how a man is seen by himself , and how he identifies to women , shouldn’t know better than to bring out such a sickly homage to everything the ‘new age’ man should be according to the gender equality commission and other such similar groups . And it’s any wonder the outrage is as strong as it is . To have an advert with 10X as many dislikes to likes is incredible . And proof that this isn’t what people want .
Some women want to be the man in the relationship "This is true , but will those women be buying Gillette razes ? | |||
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"Well I’ve just watched it , and it seems they’ve spent way too much time in the same places , listening to the same rhetoric as the loony left , pc liberals who love to berate me on here ! Infact it wouldn’t surprise me if a couple of posters on here weren’t involved in making it !
The fact is this . We aren’t ready for this . Men still want to be men , and women still want a man to be a man . Of course no one wants a man or a boy to be a bully . Nor do we want men treating women as lesser beings in any way shape or form . But a company like Gillette who epitomise how a man is seen by himself , and how he identifies to women , shouldn’t know better than to bring out such a sickly homage to everything the ‘new age’ man should be according to the gender equality commission and other such similar groups . And it’s any wonder the outrage is as strong as it is . To have an advert with 10X as many dislikes to likes is incredible . And proof that this isn’t what people want .
Some women want to be the man in the relationship
This is true , but will those women be buying Gillette razes ?
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"Well I’ve just watched it , and it seems they’ve spent way too much time in the same places , listening to the same rhetoric as the loony left , pc liberals who love to berate me on here ! Infact it wouldn’t surprise me if a couple of posters on here weren’t involved in making it !
The fact is this . We aren’t ready for this . Men still want to be men , and women still want a man to be a man . Of course no one wants a man or a boy to be a bully . Nor do we want men treating women as lesser beings in any way shape or form . But a company like Gillette who epitomise how a man is seen by himself , and how he identifies to women , shouldn’t know better than to bring out such a sickly homage to everything the ‘new age’ man should be according to the gender equality commission and other such similar groups . And it’s any wonder the outrage is as strong as it is . To have an advert with 10X as many dislikes to likes is incredible . And proof that this isn’t what people want .
Some women want to be the man in the relationship
This is true , but will those women be buying Gillette razes ?
They probably don't shave "Isn’t it ‘Januhairy’ right now?  | |||
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"Well I’ve just watched it , and it seems they’ve spent way too much time in the same places , listening to the same rhetoric as the loony left , pc liberals who love to berate me on here ! Infact it wouldn’t surprise me if a couple of posters on here weren’t involved in making it !
The fact is this . We aren’t ready for this . Men still want to be men , and women still want a man to be a man . Of course no one wants a man or a boy to be a bully . Nor do we want men treating women as lesser beings in any way shape or form . But a company like Gillette who epitomise how a man is seen by himself , and how he identifies to women , shouldn’t know better than to bring out such a sickly homage to everything the ‘new age’ man should be according to the gender equality commission and other such similar groups . And it’s any wonder the outrage is as strong as it is . To have an advert with 10X as many dislikes to likes is incredible . And proof that this isn’t what people want .
Some women want to be the man in the relationship
This is true , but will those women be buying Gillette razes ?
They probably don't shave
Isn’t it ‘Januhairy’ right now? "Ah so that’s probably why Gillette did this advert | |||
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"It's not a war on masculinity, its a war on toxic masculinity. It sounds a bit 'on the nose' so to speak, but I've not seen it so I can't really say. Personally I think it's the right message though and any advert where the man isn't seen as a 'bumbling lovable' idiot is welcome. " Yea but the two become conflated. Masculinity is toxic is the message some people hear. Personally I detest adds like this. It works on the premise that all men are pricks who just need to educated into being better. Fuck that original sin. Most people are great with a mixture of the damaged, the cuntish, the sociapathic and psychopathic ...the ones who make the news. Male or female. #equality Anyway corporate feminism is alive and well...really sticking it to the man! | |||
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"I've just watched it. I'm just going to say this. I think it's a sad state of affairs that companies, media, politicians, administrators etc. pander to these left wing ideologies. Votes for Women, Chastity for Men - that was one of the Suffragette slogans. Feminists want to restrain all forms of male sexuality. Annoys the shit out of me. " That woman from bumble really wishes she could say she invented fab | |||
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"As long as people don't assume that all masculinity is toxic. I like masculinity in men (not so much in women). I like that I'm the feminine one and he's the masculine one. I like the yin and yang of it and I don't want to take masculinity away from men. " Taoism is now illegal | |||
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"Piers Morgan tweeted this earlier : If Gillette made a commercial predicated on women being bad & this is how they can all be better... the same radical feminists loving this ad would go nuts. Is he a typical Gammon so bound to say something like that, or does he have a point? For what it’s worth, my view: of course the central message is sound and many people, men AND women need to put a mirror up to their behaviour. But this vogue trend of demonising men sometimes seems to be done just to be ‘trendy’ now!
Did you actually just use a Piers Morgan tweet in a discussion?
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That's killed that side of the argument then"Like OMG, WOW JUST WOW THERE ARE NO WORDS | |||
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"As long as people don't assume that all masculinity is toxic. I like masculinity in men (not so much in women). I like that I'm the feminine one and he's the masculine one. I like the yin and yang of it and I don't want to take masculinity away from men. Taoism is now illegal " Only in China? | |||
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"As long as people don't assume that all masculinity is toxic. I like masculinity in men (not so much in women). I like that I'm the feminine one and he's the masculine one. I like the yin and yang of it and I don't want to take masculinity away from men. Taoism is now illegal Only in China?" I was just joking. What the it's all just socialisation crowd don't get is that it's difference that attracts. | |||
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"Toxic Masculinity IS NOT Masculinity, that's where a lot of people trip up and argue, being against Toxic Masculinity does not mean a person hates actual Masculine traits. Toxic Masculinity is the warped stance that teaches boys to not cry, not talk about their feelings, bottle things up, don't be gay, women owe you sex, enjoy guns and war like a real man, don't like feminine "bitch" things like cooking, etc. The kind of Masculinity where it's OK to beat up your children because it will toughthen them up, where its OK to slap/punch your wife if she steps out of line, where a real man solves things with violence and doesn't need to co-operate in life, be a true alpha, bully the weak, etc. Listen to George Carlin on this about how some men have this bullshit in their brains, still relevant to this day, even more so actually. Bottom line is, if being Masculine to you means being a complete bastard, hate everyone, think its OK to grope and assault women, well, you've took a massive wrong turn as a man. " When you're explaining you're losing | |||
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" When you're explaining you're losing " It's sad that it even needs to be explained to people to be honest but hey, that's the world we live in. | |||
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" When you're explaining you're losing It's sad that it even needs to be explained to people to be honest but hey, that's the world we live in. " It's more sad that losers on twitter invent this stuff. | |||
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"Why can't we just call it toxic humanity when people are cunts for whatever reasons relating to the environment they were brought up in. Wouldn't that be a bit more equal
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" It's more sad that losers on twitter invent this stuff." If you think "Toxic Masculinity" was just recently invented on Twitter then that's your ignorance, as I said, comedians have been talking about this for decades and it's only got worse. | |||
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"There's a massive difference between being masculine and bullying or harrassing someone, sexually or otherwise. " Yes, that exactly | |||
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" It's more sad that losers on twitter invent this stuff. If you think "Toxic Masculinity" was just recently invented on Twitter then that's your ignorance, as I said, comedians have been talking about this for decades and it's only got worse. " No it comes from niche academic and propagated wildly on twitter. People seem to forget that men cooked and cleaned pre 2015
They also forget that in virtually every code of honour everywhere it says something about not hitting and physically protecting women.
Now we have these clowns trying to rewrite history to say that we were raised (in modern recent times) to be default cunts to women. It doesn't add up! | |||
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" No it comes from niche academic and propagated wildly on twitter. People seem to forget that men cooked and cleaned pre 2015
They also forget that in virtually every code of honour everywhere it says something about not hitting and physically protecting women.
Now we have these clowns trying to rewrite history to say that we were raised (in modern recent times) to be default cunts to women. It doesn't add up! "See now we're getting to the meat of your issue, you think this ad is calling YOU out for being Masculine, in these cases, it's not, drop the ego of auto associating anything against men as an attack on you if you are actually not apart of what's being attacked. | |||
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" No it comes from niche academic and propagated wildly on twitter. People seem to forget that men cooked and cleaned pre 2015
They also forget that in virtually every code of honour everywhere it says something about not hitting and physically protecting women.
Now we have these clowns trying to rewrite history to say that we were raised (in modern recent times) to be default cunts to women. It doesn't add up!
See now we're getting to the meat of your issue, you think this ad is calling YOU out for being Masculine, in these cases, it's not, drop the ego of auto associating anything against men as an attack on you if you are actually not apart of what's being attacked. "Back up...firstly why should anyone be attacked in this age of niceness? It's nothing personal for me except that it offends my sense of correctness. I HATE false premises. | |||
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"That’s Florence of Florence and the Machines favourite phrase.... Toxic Masculinity "Thought that was... Ship to wreck | |||
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" No it comes from niche academic and propagated wildly on twitter. People seem to forget that men cooked and cleaned pre 2015
They also forget that in virtually every code of honour everywhere it says something about not hitting and physically protecting women.
Now we have these clowns trying to rewrite history to say that we were raised (in modern recent times) to be default cunts to women. It doesn't add up!
See now we're getting to the meat of your issue, you think this ad is calling YOU out for being Masculine, in these cases, it's not, drop the ego of auto associating anything against men as an attack on you if you are actually not apart of what's being attacked. "Let's look at the language here..."attacking", "calling out"...where's the love, harmony and unity we deserve? Not a stupid and divisive (and increasingly corporate) bullying gender war. | |||
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"Not a stupid and divisive (and increasingly corporate) bullying gender war. " The only part that's being "bullied" (apt term for something that's promoted in Toxic Masculinity) is Toxic Masculinity, if you want to defend that well more power to you. | |||
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"Not a stupid and divisive (and increasingly corporate) bullying gender war. The only part that's being "bullied" (apt term for something that's promoted in Toxic Masculinity) is Toxic Masculinity, if you want to defend that well more power to you. " You get the wider point I'm sure 
What does this serve? In real life,
I raised a thread about an 18 year Saudi girl escaping her own damn family and seeking refuge in Canada to total radio silence. Full story on BBC news.
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"Not a stupid and divisive (and increasingly corporate) bullying gender war. The only part that's being "bullied" (apt term for something that's promoted in Toxic Masculinity) is Toxic Masculinity, if you want to defend that well more power to you. " The practice of "calling out" is text book bullying and often a life ruiner. | |||
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"Toxic masculinity does NOT exist. They are trying to demonise men right across the board. Your explanation of toxic masculinity is simply behaviour that can be carried out by either sex. By associating the word toxic, they brand all masculinity. Don't think for a second that they make a distinction between toxic masculinity and masculinity. They don't and do not intend to either. Their purpose is to supress men and crush the fictional Patriarchy and it's capitalist system. Feminism and LGBQT and similar activists are being used as pawns in a bigger effort by left wing Marxist ideologies. Canada's C-16 bill was mentioned earlier. J.B.Peterson has been demonised in regard to this issue. Why? Well, that's easy. The bill is an afront to free speech and the left wingers have used the Trans "community" as their vehicle to push their Marxist ideals on the west. Trudeau is a gimp and thinks saying yes to everybody is the wag forward. Its not. So the problem with C16 has nothing to do with the trans "community" but with compelled speech. That's my mini splurge! "They are really winning too...crushing the patriarchy by getting in bed with big corporate advertising. Their anti-patriarchy (really anti-the system) founding mothers are turning in their graves. Also you make a good point... Despite the cute explanation above, advertising is advertising and they know well the power of associative wording. Mem will be binning the razors the same ways the suffragettes burned their bras soon enough. | |||
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"The practice of "calling out" is text book bullying and often a life ruiner. " If that's what you think well I guess we shouldn't call out rapists and murderers in case we hurt their feelings. Just sounds like you're taking the piss really and playing the "so much for the tolerant left" card. | |||
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"Toxic masculinity does NOT exist. They are trying to demonise men right across the board. Your explanation of toxic masculinity is simply behaviour that can be carried out by either sex. By associating the word toxic, they brand all masculinity. Don't think for a second that they make a distinction between toxic masculinity and masculinity. They don't and do not intend to either. Their purpose is to supress men and crush the fictional Patriarchy and it's capitalist system. Feminism and LGBQT and similar activists are being used as pawns in a bigger effort by left wing Marxist ideologies. Canada's C-16 bill was mentioned earlier. J.B.Peterson has been demonised in regard to this issue. Why? Well, that's easy. The bill is an afront to free speech and the left wingers have used the Trans "community" as their vehicle to push their Marxist ideals on the west. Trudeau is a gimp and thinks saying yes to everybody is the wag forward. Its not. So the problem with C16 has nothing to do with the trans "community" but with compelled speech. That's my mini splurge!
They are really winning too...crushing the patriarchy by getting in bed with big corporate advertising.
Their anti-patriarchy (really anti-the system) founding mothers are turning in their graves.
Also you make a good point... Despite the cute explanation above, advertising is advertising and they know well the power of associative wording.
Mem will be binning the razors the same ways the suffragettes burned their bras soon enough.
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"The practice of "calling out" is text book bullying and often a life ruiner. If that's what you think well I guess we shouldn't call out rapists and murderers in case we hurt their feelings. Just sounds like you're taking the piss really and playing the "so much for the tolerant left" card. " Nice straw man. We don't call them out...we jail them. Silly boy. Toxic. | |||
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"Nice straw man. We don't call them out...we jail them. Silly boy. Toxic. " You're in the same country that tried to blame women for getting r*ped because of the style of underwear they had on. Are you really sure we jail them? Also, what parts of Toxic Masculinity do you support since you're speaking in defense of it (in a way of dismissing its a thing and not a problem). | |||
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"The practice of "calling out" is text book bullying and often a life ruiner. If that's what you think well I guess we shouldn't call out rapists and murderers in case we hurt their feelings. Just sounds like you're taking the piss really and playing the "so much for the tolerant left" card. Nice straw man. We don't call them out...we jail them. Silly boy. Toxic. " Lol yeah, didn't get that | |||
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"Nice straw man. We don't call them out...we jail them. Silly boy. Toxic. You're in the same country that tried to blame women for getting r*ped because of the style of underwear they had on. Are you really sure we jail them? Also, what parts of Toxic Masculinity do you support since you're speaking in defense of it (in a way of dismissing its a thing and not a problem). " There is NO such thing as toxic masculinity. There is toxic behaviour and nobody defends that. | |||
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"Apols if this has been posted before, did a forum search and couldn’t see it! Lifted and pasted from a news source online : Shaving supply giant Gillette has sparked controversy with a new ad that challenges men to “shave their toxic masculinity”. The ad, created by the brand’s ad agency Grey and called “We Believe”, responds to the #MeToo movement and urges men to hold themselves to a higher standard. The video, which runs for just under two minutes, features a flurry of news clips about the women’s rights movement and bullying. The commercial depicts various scenes of men bullying and catcalling women, and fights breaking out between boys. “Is this the best a man can get, is it?” the ad’s narrator asks — a play on the shaving company’s famous tagline, “the best a man can get”. The video then shows men berating their friends for harassing women, a father breaking up the fight, and a mother cradling a boy who is being bullied through text messages. The narrator says men can no longer “hide” from issues like bullying and sexual harassment. “We can’t hide from it. It has been going on far too long. We can’t laugh it off, making the same old excuses.” The campaign has met with a mixed response - some praising for bringing issues of bullying and harassment to the forefront, while others have blamed the company for “shaming” men and pushing a “war” on masculinity. So, is this a positive step forward and an important uncomfortable truth to hit home or just some Social Justice Warriors and virtue signallers broadbrushing men? " I think it's a positive message. I applaud Gillette for going down this route. I'm a bit disgusted that the first time I've heard it mentioned is in an attempt to get me to buy razors 
Not my teachers, not my parents, not my family, not my friends, not my tutors, not my guidance counsellors, not from my SNCOs and Officers, not my employers and none of my role models.
I'm trying to put that exact message to my own sons. I'm trying to be that man, not because I like Gilette, but because it's what is best for them. I don't want them to suffer. | |||
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"That’s Florence of Florence and the Machines favourite phrase.... Toxic Masculinity
Thought that was...
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"Nice straw man. We don't call them out...we jail them. Silly boy. Toxic. You're in the same country that tried to blame women for getting r*ped because of the style of underwear they had on. Are you really sure we jail them? Also, what parts of Toxic Masculinity do you support since you're speaking in defense of it (in a way of dismissing its a thing and not a problem). " No man, a single barrister did that. As all barristers do.. weasel words. I don't support any part of toxic masculinity or any of the other bullying noise that madcarades as "justice". I can see the general point that there are some traditional lads lads social things like bottling up feelings that weren't good for anyone but I also see that we are all individuals and should be treated as such. One of the massive failures of modern feminism!! "Justice" is one only one notch away from revenge and vigilantism. | |||
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"There is NO such thing as toxic masculinity. There is toxic behaviour and nobody defends that." Sure, it's just Toxic behaviour that mainly comes from men, is taught to men, and drummed into men's brains about how a "real" man needs to act and anything else is bad and that they should lash out. Toxic behaviour that's taught in place of Masculinity, a sort of Toxic Masculinity really. | |||
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"Nice straw man. We don't call them out...we jail them. Silly boy. Toxic. You're in the same country that tried to blame women for getting r*ped because of the style of underwear they had on. Are you really sure we jail them? Also, what parts of Toxic Masculinity do you support since you're speaking in defense of it (in a way of dismissing its a thing and not a problem). There is NO such thing as toxic masculinity. There is toxic behaviour and nobody defends that."
Exactly....there must be some sort of law where every equality theme is fundamentally inequal.
Superflash's law of equality?
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"There is NO such thing as toxic masculinity. There is toxic behaviour and nobody defends that. Sure, it's just Toxic behaviour that mainly comes from men, is taught to men, and drummed into men's brains about how a "real" man needs to act and anything else is bad and that they should lash out. Toxic behaviour that's taught in place of Masculinity, a sort of Toxic Masculinity really. "Drummed in by Who? When? How? You are talking in wild sweeping generalisations that don't reflect how I or my peers grew up. I'd almost say that you are ideologically possessed, predictable even. | |||
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"Drummed in by Who? When? How? You are talking in wild sweeping generalisations that don't reflect how I or my peers grew up. I'd almost say that you are ideologically possessed, predictable even. " Here's the issue with you, you claim none of this was how you were brought, good! Not everyone was that lucky, I've experienced it first hand growing up and seen it with others how these negative traits and falsehoods of being a "real man" affect people. | |||
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"I think that this is all just an attempt by Procter and Gamble to deflect from their connections with modern day slavery and illegal child labour. Yes, look it up - the company so against "toxic masculinity" are modern day slavers. Always look below the surface "P&G are absolutely scum. There's no virtue here, only cynical dollars. | |||
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"Drummed in by Who? When? How? You are talking in wild sweeping generalisations that don't reflect how I or my peers grew up. I'd almost say that you are ideologically possessed, predictable even. Here's the issue with you, you claim none of this was how you were brought, good! Not everyone was that lucky, I've experienced it first hand growing up and seen it with others how these negative traits and falsehoods of being a "real man" affect people. " So you can expand on this drumming in thing. It sounds like it was on the educational curriculum from the way you are banging on? This universal experience. Maybe my upbringing was typical and yours was the outlier? How can we know? Let me set the scene, im 33 and grew from teen to adult in the era of what was called metrosexuality. It was just like now except nobody hated each other via their online movement of choice | |||
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"A big name brand jumping on a band wagon to sell razor to men who that have just called toxic ....sound business sense. I buy cheap disposable razor anyway and I'll keep my toxic masculinity thanks." Nike supported a black american athlete who took a knee in an additional on that theme and it was well received. Now Gillette thought it could ride the same wave and it has backfired spectacularly. I think a lot of men play lip service to feminist stuff to keep the women in their lives on side but deep down don't buy into all that much and certainly don't like being typecast. | |||
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"So you can expand on this drumming in thing. It sounds like it was on the educational curriculum from the way you are banging on? This universal experience. Maybe my upbringing was typical and yours was the outlier? How can we know? Let me set the scene, im 33 and grew from teen to adult in the era of what was called metrosexuality. It was just like now except nobody hated each other via their online movement of choice "When I was growing my dad used to beat me up because I didn't like typical manly things like football, whenever I got into a fight as a kid, if I lost that fight, my dad would then beat me up even more to points where I passed out, all because I was an "insult" to the family for not being a proper boy. There were numerous times I saw him hit my mum too, as he took his stance that he's the man of the house and he ran things how he wanted, and if he didn't get his way he would rampage on and smash things up, see the beatings stopped but that became his way of keeping the fear around. He later told me that's just how he thought being a man was supposed to be as other families used to be brought up the same way, that being a man meant your family should fear you and your power. So yeah, don't sit there and try and tell me Toxic Masculinity doesn't exist and that it's lefty propaganda of some bs whilst smiling it off, but hey, it's all a joke right? We don't talk about such silly things | |||
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"So you can expand on this drumming in thing. It sounds like it was on the educational curriculum from the way you are banging on? This universal experience. Maybe my upbringing was typical and yours was the outlier? How can we know? Let me set the scene, im 33 and grew from teen to adult in the era of what was called metrosexuality. It was just like now except nobody hated each other via their online movement of choice
When I was growing my dad used to beat me up because I didn't like typical manly things like football, whenever I got into a fight as a kid, if I lost that fight, my dad would then beat me up even more to points where I passed out, all because I was an "insult" to the family for not being a proper boy. There were numerous times I saw him hit my mum too, as he took his stance that he's the man of the house and he ran things how he wanted, and if he didn't get his way he would rampage on and smash things up, see the beatings stopped but that became his way of keeping the fear around. He later told me that's just how he thought being a man was supposed to be as other families used to be brought up the same way, that being a man meant your family should fear you and your power.
So yeah, don't sit there and try and tell me Toxic Masculinity doesn't exist and that it's lefty propaganda of some bs whilst smiling it off, but hey, it's all a joke right? We don't talk about such silly things "I read that Heart goes out to you bro. Feel your pain in what you write. I agree with you. Saw it in many of my jobs, worst of all being the Army. Uber-masculine, uber-Toxic. | |||
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"So you can expand on this drumming in thing. It sounds like it was on the educational curriculum from the way you are banging on? This universal experience. Maybe my upbringing was typical and yours was the outlier? How can we know? Let me set the scene, im 33 and grew from teen to adult in the era of what was called metrosexuality. It was just like now except nobody hated each other via their online movement of choice
When I was growing my dad used to beat me up because I didn't like typical manly things like football, whenever I got into a fight as a kid, if I lost that fight, my dad would then beat me up even more to points where I passed out, all because I was an "insult" to the family for not being a proper boy. There were numerous times I saw him hit my mum too, as he took his stance that he's the man of the house and he ran things how he wanted, and if he didn't get his way he would rampage on and smash things up, see the beatings stopped but that became his way of keeping the fear around. He later told me that's just how he thought being a man was supposed to be as other families used to be brought up the same way, that being a man meant your family should fear you and your power.
So yeah, don't sit there and try and tell me Toxic Masculinity doesn't exist and that it's lefty propaganda of some bs whilst smiling it off, but hey, it's all a joke right? We don't talk about such silly things "As a child, I was smacked by my mother on many occasions and against my father's wishes. You, like me, had a toxic parent - nothing to do with their gender. | |||
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"So you can expand on this drumming in thing. It sounds like it was on the educational curriculum from the way you are banging on? This universal experience. Maybe my upbringing was typical and yours was the outlier? How can we know? Let me set the scene, im 33 and grew from teen to adult in the era of what was called metrosexuality. It was just like now except nobody hated each other via their online movement of choice
When I was growing my dad used to beat me up because I didn't like typical manly things like football, whenever I got into a fight as a kid, if I lost that fight, my dad would then beat me up even more to points where I passed out, all because I was an "insult" to the family for not being a proper boy. There were numerous times I saw him hit my mum too, as he took his stance that he's the man of the house and he ran things how he wanted, and if he didn't get his way he would rampage on and smash things up, see the beatings stopped but that became his way of keeping the fear around. He later told me that's just how he thought being a man was supposed to be as other families used to be brought up the same way, that being a man meant your family should fear you and your power.
So yeah, don't sit there and try and tell me Toxic Masculinity doesn't exist and that it's lefty propaganda of some bs whilst smiling it off, but hey, it's all a joke right? We don't talk about such silly things
As a child, I was smacked by my mother on many occasions and against my father's wishes. You, like me, had a toxic parent - nothing to do with their gender."Just because both sexes can be violent. It doesn't mean this isn't a real issue that needs addressing. I don't see it as men hating "me too" Movement. I think a lot of people are genuinely concerned about us men.. because our wives, sisters, girlfriends, friends and mothers actually care about us and see the damage we do to ourselves and each other. | |||
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"No offense but your dad is a weak man...his behaviour is not masculine in the slightest " That's the point, he believed it was Masculinity and that's how it was to be a man, it of course wasn't, but he was an extreme side of Toxic Masculinity, the minor things still get pushed to this day, maybe even affecting the others the same way. ACTUAL Masculinity is good, and has been around in the past, and is here now, but we're in an age of technology and the Internet where the Toxic variety is passed on instead, that's why there's a blow back against it, let's not succumb to letting Toxic Masculinity be the default, stride to be better than that with proper Masculinity. | |||
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"No offense but your dad is a weak man...his behaviour is not masculine in the slightest That's the point, he believed it was Masculinity and that's how it was to be a man, it of course wasn't, but he was an extreme side of Toxic Masculinity, the minor things still get pushed to this day, maybe even affecting the others the same way. ACTUAL Masculinity is good, and has been around in the past, and is here now, but we're in an age of technology and the Internet where the Toxic variety is passed on instead, that's why there's a blow back against it, let's not succumb to letting Toxic Masculinity be the default, stride to be better than that with proper Masculinity. " Or how about you stop telling us what to do? Wouldn't that be more respectful? | |||
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"Or how about you stop telling us what to do? Wouldn't that be more respectful?" You're the one up in here saying there's no such as Toxic Masculinity and that it was outrage created by Twitter and such, sorry my history doesn't match up to your view *shrug* How about we just agree to disagree because we're clearly on our sides here. | |||
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"Or how about you stop telling us what to do? Wouldn't that be more respectful? You're the one up in here saying there's no such as Toxic Masculinity and that it was outrage created by Twitter and such, sorry my history doesn't match up to your view *shrug* How about we just agree to disagree because we're clearly on our sides here. " I'd ignore him, seems to be in a confrontational mood today. He just said on my thread that all men left on Fab have little skill with women and are mugs. No Toxic Masculinity going on there then | |||
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"Or how about you stop telling us what to do? Wouldn't that be more respectful? You're the one up in here saying there's no such as Toxic Masculinity and that it was outrage created by Twitter and such, sorry my history doesn't match up to your view *shrug* How about we just agree to disagree because we're clearly on our sides here. " Not until you conceed that your views are very biased as a direct consequence of your upbringing. Then we can agree to differ. | |||
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"Or how about you stop telling us what to do? Wouldn't that be more respectful? You're the one up in here saying there's no such as Toxic Masculinity and that it was outrage created by Twitter and such, sorry my history doesn't match up to your view *shrug* How about we just agree to disagree because we're clearly on our sides here. I'd ignore him, seems to be in a confrontational mood today. He just said on my thread that all men left on Fab have little skill with women and are mugs. No Toxic Masculinity going on there then "That's a talented twist of words. I suggest you read what I said again and drop the absolutes. You are a smart reasonable person so act like it. I'm sorry if you felt attacked, that wasn't my intention. | |||
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"Or how about you stop telling us what to do? Wouldn't that be more respectful? You're the one up in here saying there's no such as Toxic Masculinity and that it was outrage created by Twitter and such, sorry my history doesn't match up to your view *shrug* How about we just agree to disagree because we're clearly on our sides here. I'd ignore him, seems to be in a confrontational mood today. He just said on my thread that all men left on Fab have little skill with women and are mugs. No Toxic Masculinity going on there then
That's a talented twist of words. I suggest you read what I said again and drop the absolutes. You are a smart reasonable person so act like it. I'm sorry if you felt attacked, that wasn't my intention. "If I've twisted them it's accidentally and something's been lost in translation. If that's the case, I'll apologise, if you care to enlighten me what exactly you meant by it. As for our mutual friends post, how dare you attempt to force him to concede to your point of view, given his first hand experience? I could list off hundreds of examples of Toxic Masculinity I've experienced. No it's not just committed by men, I'll admit that, many women promote this idea as well. I think if you see this message/campaign as man hating and not man helping, then you may be in need of a little help yourself. Why don't you read your own words back, put yourself in our shoes and see how they may have been interpreted? I'm not looking for a fight with you, but I can't stand idly by why you rip into someone who has opened up and given a clear and obvious example of why this kind of behaviour needs to be stomped on an eradicated. | |||
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"Not until you conceed that your views are very biased as a direct consequence of your upbringing. Then we can agree to differ. Holy shit dude, so you're saying Toxic Masculinity doesn't exist and that those that have experienced it are just biased? Like do you realise how that sounds? " Do you realise how you sound, extrapolating personal experience to the general population? It's ridiculous. I was raised with a message of respect for women outside of any lads lads stuff, so were my peers. If it's sexist to act like women belong in the kitchen or can't drive it's just as sexist to assume that men are inherently in need of behavioural correction. It's that simple. | |||
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"Not until you conceed that your views are very biased as a direct consequence of your upbringing. Then we can agree to differ. Holy shit dude, so you're saying Toxic Masculinity doesn't exist and that those that have experienced it are just biased? Like do you realise how that sounds? Do you realise how you sound, extrapolating personal experience to the general population? It's ridiculous. I was raised with a message of respect for women outside of any lads lads stuff, so were my peers. If it's sexist to act like women belong in the kitchen or can't drive it's just as sexist to assume that men are inherently in need of behavioural correction. It's that simple. " But some men do need corrective behaviour. Nobody is saying all men do. | |||
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"Do you realise how you sound, extrapolating personal experience to the general population? It's ridiculous. I was raised with a message of respect for women outside of any lads lads stuff, so were my peers. If it's sexist to act like women belong in the kitchen or can't drive it's just as sexist to assume that men are inherently in need of behavioural correction. It's that simple. " It's nice to hear you were raised that way but your attitude is still quite disgusting. You asked me how Toxic Masculinity is real and I gave my personal experience on it, you pretending that it doesn't exist at this point is comical. And I don't need your fake pity thanks. | |||
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"Not until you conceed that your views are very biased as a direct consequence of your upbringing. Then we can agree to differ. Holy shit dude, so you're saying Toxic Masculinity doesn't exist and that those that have experienced it are just biased? Like do you realise how that sounds? Do you realise how you sound, extrapolating personal experience to the general population? It's ridiculous. I was raised with a message of respect for women outside of any lads lads stuff, so were my peers. If it's sexist to act like women belong in the kitchen or can't drive it's just as sexist to assume that men are inherently in need of behavioural correction. It's that simple. But some men do need corrective behaviour. Nobody is saying all men do." And you can't tar everyone with the same brush. Some black people commits crimes...I'll let you do the mental gymnastics there. | |||
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"But some men do need corrective behaviour. Nobody is saying all men do." And again, this is the crux, it's a shame that a lit of men auto assume it's about them and get defensive about it and say it doesn't exist which is akin to saying "I've never murdered anyone so murder doesn't exist!". More men get defensive and angry for even having any part of their life linked to problematic behaviour, rather than seek to improve they shut down and argue a stubborn case. George Carlin summed it up perfectly decades ago. | |||
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"Do you realise how you sound, extrapolating personal experience to the general population? It's ridiculous. I was raised with a message of respect for women outside of any lads lads stuff, so were my peers. If it's sexist to act like women belong in the kitchen or can't drive it's just as sexist to assume that men are inherently in need of behavioural correction. It's that simple. It's nice to hear you were raised that way but your attitude is still quite disgusting. You asked me how Toxic Masculinity is real and I gave my personal experience on it, you pretending that it doesn't exist at this point is comical. And I don't need your fake pity thanks. " Either you are thick or disingenuous, I can't figure it out. Do you know what bias even is? | |||
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"But some men do need corrective behaviour. Nobody is saying all men do. And again, this is the crux, it's a shame that a lit of men auto assume it's about them and get defensive about it and say it doesn't exist which is akin to saying "I've never murdered anyone so murder doesn't exist!". More men get defensive and angry for even having any part of their life linked to problematic behaviour, rather than seek to improve they shut down and argue a stubborn case. George Carlin summed it up perfectly decades ago. " Do we have advert campaigns telling people not to murder? | |||
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"But some men do need corrective behaviour. Nobody is saying all men do. And again, this is the crux, it's a shame that a lit of men auto assume it's about them and get defensive about it and say it doesn't exist which is akin to saying "I've never murdered anyone so murder doesn't exist!". More men get defensive and angry for even having any part of their life linked to problematic behaviour, rather than seek to improve they shut down and argue a stubborn case. George Carlin summed it up perfectly decades ago. " You keep mentioning George Carlin - surely you don't mean the American, heroin addicted second-rate comedian do you? | |||
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"Not until you conceed that your views are very biased as a direct consequence of your upbringing. Then we can agree to differ. Holy shit dude, so you're saying Toxic Masculinity doesn't exist and that those that have experienced it are just biased? Like do you realise how that sounds? Do you realise how you sound, extrapolating personal experience to the general population? It's ridiculous. I was raised with a message of respect for women outside of any lads lads stuff, so were my peers. If it's sexist to act like women belong in the kitchen or can't drive it's just as sexist to assume that men are inherently in need of behavioural correction. It's that simple. But some men do need corrective behaviour. Nobody is saying all men do. And you can't tar everyone with the same brush. Some black people commits crimes...I'll let you do the mental gymnastics there. " Not all black people need corrective behaviour because they're not all criminals. Only those who commit crime need the corrective therapy. Are you trying to make my point for me? I think that anyone who thinks this campaign is ridiculous, lefty, PC, moleycoddeling... Is part of the problem and that's who the campaign is attempting to target, be you male or female. Just because you claim to be able to behave like a positive male role model. It doesn't make it so. I'm not offended, shocked, upset or laughing at this campaign. It doesn't effect me, I'm already there. Which is why I felt the need to jump in to defend another man, whether he asked for it, or not. Not jump down his throat for it. | |||
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"I think that anyone who thinks this campaign is ridiculous, lefty, PC, moleycoddeling... Is part of the problem and that's who the campaign is attempting to target, be you male or female. Just because you claim to be able to behave like a positive male role model. It doesn't make it so. I'm not offended, shocked, upset or laughing at this campaign. It doesn't effect me, I'm already there. Which is why I felt the need to jump in to defend another man, whether he asked for it, or not. Not jump down his throat for it. " Just quoting to agree, if you get offended by a campaign saying as men we can do better then really there's got to be something that you're taking personally. | |||
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"I don't understand how woke people (of all people!) can't understand the principle that stereotyping is inherently dangerous thinking. " We're not stereotyping. We're saying SOME men need to "Have a long hard look at themselves". Not "All", not "The MAJORITY". "Some men". Probably most who take offence to this positive message designed to help men help each other. Yes we are awake, that's why we can see the message for what it is and the only thing I'd dare take the piss out of it for... is that it's fucking Gillette telling us it. Hypocritical company - using a positive message to single use plastic razors | |||
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"But some men do need corrective behaviour. Nobody is saying all men do. And again, this is the crux, it's a shame that a lit of men auto assume it's about them and get defensive about it and say it doesn't exist which is akin to saying "I've never murdered anyone so murder doesn't exist!". More men get defensive and angry for even having any part of their life linked to problematic behaviour, rather than seek to improve they shut down and argue a stubborn case. George Carlin summed it up perfectly decades ago. Do we have advert campaigns telling people not to murder? " The thing is this is telling men not to murder - women murder to! It's telling men to break up fights - women need to to, women have stabbed others in street fights/mugged innocent people, women sexually harass men, women also sexually abuse!! Maybe an advert telling everyone - men and women to be good humans would have been better - we are supposed to be promoting equality right. Why should we just ask men to up their standards why can't women be told to do the same? The world needs more humanity - not just better men. | |||
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"So you can expand on this drumming in thing. It sounds like it was on the educational curriculum from the way you are banging on? This universal experience. Maybe my upbringing was typical and yours was the outlier? How can we know? Let me set the scene, im 33 and grew from teen to adult in the era of what was called metrosexuality. It was just like now except nobody hated each other via their online movement of choice
When I was growing my dad used to beat me up because I didn't like typical manly things like football, whenever I got into a fight as a kid, if I lost that fight, my dad would then beat me up even more to points where I passed out, all because I was an "insult" to the family for not being a proper boy. There were numerous times I saw him hit my mum too, as he took his stance that he's the man of the house and he ran things how he wanted, and if he didn't get his way he would rampage on and smash things up, see the beatings stopped but that became his way of keeping the fear around. He later told me that's just how he thought being a man was supposed to be as other families used to be brought up the same way, that being a man meant your family should fear you and your power.
So yeah, don't sit there and try and tell me Toxic Masculinity doesn't exist and that it's lefty propaganda of some bs whilst smiling it off, but hey, it's all a joke right? We don't talk about such silly things "Toxic masculinity does not exist. It's terrible how you grew up, from your own description. However, your individual experience is not the norm. You say that your father told you that that is how he thought being a man was supppsed to be. Now for a grown man to think that is ridiculous. The man described in what you have shared, is an abuser of children and adults. His warped and incorrect vision of society is not one that i'm going to accept. That man was not a typical family man. That man does not represent men in society. What you are describing is your individual experience of your father. He is not a representation of all men. | |||
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"And the war on men continues..... its threads & attitudes like this that explain the rise in MGTOW. Who can blame them!" Off to Google MGTOW .. | |||
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"So you can expand on this drumming in thing. It sounds like it was on the educational curriculum from the way you are banging on? This universal experience. Maybe my upbringing was typical and yours was the outlier? How can we know? Let me set the scene, im 33 and grew from teen to adult in the era of what was called metrosexuality. It was just like now except nobody hated each other via their online movement of choice
When I was growing my dad used to beat me up because I didn't like typical manly things like football, whenever I got into a fight as a kid, if I lost that fight, my dad would then beat me up even more to points where I passed out, all because I was an "insult" to the family for not being a proper boy. There were numerous times I saw him hit my mum too, as he took his stance that he's the man of the house and he ran things how he wanted, and if he didn't get his way he would rampage on and smash things up, see the beatings stopped but that became his way of keeping the fear around. He later told me that's just how he thought being a man was supposed to be as other families used to be brought up the same way, that being a man meant your family should fear you and your power.
So yeah, don't sit there and try and tell me Toxic Masculinity doesn't exist and that it's lefty propaganda of some bs whilst smiling it off, but hey, it's all a joke right? We don't talk about such silly things
Toxic masculinity does not exist. It's terrible how you grew up, from your own description. However, your individual experience is not the norm. You say that your father told you that that is how he thought being a man was supppsed to be. Now for a grown man to think that is ridiculous. The man described in what you have shared, is an abuser of children and adults. His warped and incorrect vision of society is not one that i'm going to accept. That man was not a typical family man. That man does not represent men in society.
What you are describing is your individual experience of your father. He is not a representation of all men."Nobody is saying it's the normal! I'm sure there are a lot of social workers and law enforcement community who would agree that it's a far more serious and widespread problem than most of you are giving it credit for. Stop taking it as a personal insult and have a long hard look at yourselves, just incase. If you're all good, there is nothing to get upset over is there? | |||
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"I (Mr) am glad for this advert. I've suffered all my life from the effects of toxic masculinity, not being very good at sports, being scrawny and taught that a man's masculinity is defined by his success. Most importantly that a man shouldn't show any kind of emotion or vulnerability, so after years of bottling up emotions and my grandad dying coupled with my wife having a miss carriage on the same weekend broke me. And I mean broke, depression and anxiety me hard to the point that panic attacks ruined my career in management. Had I been influenced better from an early age I would have been able to manage my emotions better and cope with the situations presented. But that's just my opinion. Fuck you piers Morgan, I like carrying my baby on a sling. " Another positive male role model. You, not Piers, Piers is a bellend. | |||
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"I (Mr) am glad for this advert. I've suffered all my life from the effects of toxic masculinity, not being very good at sports, being scrawny and taught that a man's masculinity is defined by his success. Most importantly that a man shouldn't show any kind of emotion or vulnerability, so after years of bottling up emotions and my grandad dying coupled with my wife having a miss carriage on the same weekend broke me. And I mean broke, depression and anxiety me hard to the point that panic attacks ruined my career in management. Had I been influenced better from an early age I would have been able to manage my emotions better and cope with the situations presented. But that's just my opinion. Fuck you piers Morgan, I like carrying my baby on a sling. Another positive male role model. You, not Piers, Piers is a bellend." Given the councelling I'm going through, that genuinely means alot thank you | |||
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"So you can expand on this drumming in thing. It sounds like it was on the educational curriculum from the way you are banging on? This universal experience. Maybe my upbringing was typical and yours was the outlier? How can we know? Let me set the scene, im 33 and grew from teen to adult in the era of what was called metrosexuality. It was just like now except nobody hated each other via their online movement of choice
When I was growing my dad used to beat me up because I didn't like typical manly things like football, whenever I got into a fight as a kid, if I lost that fight, my dad would then beat me up even more to points where I passed out, all because I was an "insult" to the family for not being a proper boy. There were numerous times I saw him hit my mum too, as he took his stance that he's the man of the house and he ran things how he wanted, and if he didn't get his way he would rampage on and smash things up, see the beatings stopped but that became his way of keeping the fear around. He later told me that's just how he thought being a man was supposed to be as other families used to be brought up the same way, that being a man meant your family should fear you and your power.
So yeah, don't sit there and try and tell me Toxic Masculinity doesn't exist and that it's lefty propaganda of some bs whilst smiling it off, but hey, it's all a joke right? We don't talk about such silly things
Toxic masculinity does not exist. It's terrible how you grew up, from your own description. However, your individual experience is not the norm. You say that your father told you that that is how he thought being a man was supppsed to be. Now for a grown man to think that is ridiculous. The man described in what you have shared, is an abuser of children and adults. His warped and incorrect vision of society is not one that i'm going to accept. That man was not a typical family man. That man does not represent men in society.
What you are describing is your individual experience of your father. He is not a representation of all men.
Nobody is saying it's the normal!
I'm sure there are a lot of social workers and law enforcement community who would agree that it's a far more serious and widespread problem than most of you are giving it credit for.
Stop taking it as a personal insult and have a long hard look at yourselves, just incase. If you're all good, there is nothing to get upset over is there?"Toxic masculinity is not real. It is made up by left wing feminist ideology. The thing you say is widespread is not. You're not even sure yourself because you have no facts to support the theory. You said I'm sure social workers and law enforcement would agree. Well, why don't you find out? If you provide the evidence to support "toxic masculinity", that would be great. At the moment there isn't any. So that demonstrates it isn't real. Then the nonsense of me taking it personally. Which is laughable. If any are going on personal thoughts, it is you. As a result, personel experiences do not constitute an issue gender wide or in the wider society. So when someone suggests it is and tries to spread a message that is wrong. I will question that. Why wouldn't i? | |||
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"So you can expand on this drumming in thing. It sounds like it was on the educational curriculum from the way you are banging on? This universal experience. Maybe my upbringing was typical and yours was the outlier? How can we know? Let me set the scene, im 33 and grew from teen to adult in the era of what was called metrosexuality. It was just like now except nobody hated each other via their online movement of choice
When I was growing my dad used to beat me up because I didn't like typical manly things like football, whenever I got into a fight as a kid, if I lost that fight, my dad would then beat me up even more to points where I passed out, all because I was an "insult" to the family for not being a proper boy. There were numerous times I saw him hit my mum too, as he took his stance that he's the man of the house and he ran things how he wanted, and if he didn't get his way he would rampage on and smash things up, see the beatings stopped but that became his way of keeping the fear around. He later told me that's just how he thought being a man was supposed to be as other families used to be brought up the same way, that being a man meant your family should fear you and your power.
So yeah, don't sit there and try and tell me Toxic Masculinity doesn't exist and that it's lefty propaganda of some bs whilst smiling it off, but hey, it's all a joke right? We don't talk about such silly things
Toxic masculinity does not exist. It's terrible how you grew up, from your own description. However, your individual experience is not the norm. You say that your father told you that that is how he thought being a man was supppsed to be. Now for a grown man to think that is ridiculous. The man described in what you have shared, is an abuser of children and adults. His warped and incorrect vision of society is not one that i'm going to accept. That man was not a typical family man. That man does not represent men in society.
What you are describing is your individual experience of your father. He is not a representation of all men.
Nobody is saying it's the normal!
I'm sure there are a lot of social workers and law enforcement community who would agree that it's a far more serious and widespread problem than most of you are giving it credit for.
Stop taking it as a personal insult and have a long hard look at yourselves, just incase. If you're all good, there is nothing to get upset over is there?
Toxic masculinity is not real. It is made up by left wing feminist ideology. The thing you say is widespread is not. You're not even sure yourself because you have no facts to support the theory. You said I'm sure social workers and law enforcement would agree. Well, why don't you find out? If you provide the evidence to support "toxic masculinity", that would be great. At the moment there isn't any. So that demonstrates it isn't real.
Then the nonsense of me taking it personally. Which is laughable. If any are going on personal thoughts, it is you. As a result, personel experiences do not constitute an issue gender wide or in the wider society. So when someone suggests it is and tries to spread a message that is wrong. I will question that. Why wouldn't i? "Mate. I know what I'm talking about, I don't need to recite statistics for a Fab forum debate. Nobody is saying masculinity is toxic. They are saying there are elements within in it perceived masculinity that are. I've spoken with social workers and law enforcement agencies, I've witnessed it first hand... it's all over this thread. | |||
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"So you can expand on this drumming in thing. It sounds like it was on the educational curriculum from the way you are banging on? This universal experience. Maybe my upbringing was typical and yours was the outlier? How can we know? Let me set the scene, im 33 and grew from teen to adult in the era of what was called metrosexuality. It was just like now except nobody hated each other via their online movement of choice
When I was growing my dad used to beat me up because I didn't like typical manly things like football, whenever I got into a fight as a kid, if I lost that fight, my dad would then beat me up even more to points where I passed out, all because I was an "insult" to the family for not being a proper boy. There were numerous times I saw him hit my mum too, as he took his stance that he's the man of the house and he ran things how he wanted, and if he didn't get his way he would rampage on and smash things up, see the beatings stopped but that became his way of keeping the fear around. He later told me that's just how he thought being a man was supposed to be as other families used to be brought up the same way, that being a man meant your family should fear you and your power.
So yeah, don't sit there and try and tell me Toxic Masculinity doesn't exist and that it's lefty propaganda of some bs whilst smiling it off, but hey, it's all a joke right? We don't talk about such silly things
Toxic masculinity does not exist. It's terrible how you grew up, from your own description. However, your individual experience is not the norm. You say that your father told you that that is how he thought being a man was supppsed to be. Now for a grown man to think that is ridiculous. The man described in what you have shared, is an abuser of children and adults. His warped and incorrect vision of society is not one that i'm going to accept. That man was not a typical family man. That man does not represent men in society.
What you are describing is your individual experience of your father. He is not a representation of all men.
Nobody is saying it's the normal!
I'm sure there are a lot of social workers and law enforcement community who would agree that it's a far more serious and widespread problem than most of you are giving it credit for.
Stop taking it as a personal insult and have a long hard look at yourselves, just incase. If you're all good, there is nothing to get upset over is there?
Toxic masculinity is not real. It is made up by left wing feminist ideology. The thing you say is widespread is not. You're not even sure yourself because you have no facts to support the theory. You said I'm sure social workers and law enforcement would agree. Well, why don't you find out? If you provide the evidence to support "toxic masculinity", that would be great. At the moment there isn't any. So that demonstrates it isn't real.
Then the nonsense of me taking it personally. Which is laughable. If any are going on personal thoughts, it is you. As a result, personel experiences do not constitute an issue gender wide or in the wider society. So when someone suggests it is and tries to spread a message that is wrong. I will question that. Why wouldn't i?
Mate. I know what I'm talking about, I don't need to recite statistics for a Fab forum debate.
Nobody is saying masculinity is toxic. They are saying there are elements within in it perceived masculinity that are.
I've spoken with social workers and law enforcement agencies, I've witnessed it first hand... it's all over this thread."Ok. So you can't do it then. | |||
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"I think it is a total load of old bollox...it's an advertisement for fucks sake.... designed to sell units of product ...by pulling whatever strings they can....and to help the wittle wadies shave their bits they make pwitty pink wazors" Mate you just personify what we are talking about. Dinosaur ethics. | |||
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"So you can expand on this drumming in thing. It sounds like it was on the educational curriculum from the way you are banging on? This universal experience. Maybe my upbringing was typical and yours was the outlier? How can we know? Let me set the scene, im 33 and grew from teen to adult in the era of what was called metrosexuality. It was just like now except nobody hated each other via their online movement of choice
When I was growing my dad used to beat me up because I didn't like typical manly things like football, whenever I got into a fight as a kid, if I lost that fight, my dad would then beat me up even more to points where I passed out, all because I was an "insult" to the family for not being a proper boy. There were numerous times I saw him hit my mum too, as he took his stance that he's the man of the house and he ran things how he wanted, and if he didn't get his way he would rampage on and smash things up, see the beatings stopped but that became his way of keeping the fear around. He later told me that's just how he thought being a man was supposed to be as other families used to be brought up the same way, that being a man meant your family should fear you and your power.
So yeah, don't sit there and try and tell me Toxic Masculinity doesn't exist and that it's lefty propaganda of some bs whilst smiling it off, but hey, it's all a joke right? We don't talk about such silly things
Toxic masculinity does not exist. It's terrible how you grew up, from your own description. However, your individual experience is not the norm. You say that your father told you that that is how he thought being a man was supppsed to be. Now for a grown man to think that is ridiculous. The man described in what you have shared, is an abuser of children and adults. His warped and incorrect vision of society is not one that i'm going to accept. That man was not a typical family man. That man does not represent men in society.
What you are describing is your individual experience of your father. He is not a representation of all men.
Nobody is saying it's the normal!
I'm sure there are a lot of social workers and law enforcement community who would agree that it's a far more serious and widespread problem than most of you are giving it credit for.
Stop taking it as a personal insult and have a long hard look at yourselves, just incase. If you're all good, there is nothing to get upset over is there?
Toxic masculinity is not real. It is made up by left wing feminist ideology. The thing you say is widespread is not. You're not even sure yourself because you have no facts to support the theory. You said I'm sure social workers and law enforcement would agree. Well, why don't you find out? If you provide the evidence to support "toxic masculinity", that would be great. At the moment there isn't any. So that demonstrates it isn't real.
Then the nonsense of me taking it personally. Which is laughable. If any are going on personal thoughts, it is you. As a result, personel experiences do not constitute an issue gender wide or in the wider society. So when someone suggests it is and tries to spread a message that is wrong. I will question that. Why wouldn't i?
Mate. I know what I'm talking about, I don't need to recite statistics for a Fab forum debate.
Nobody is saying masculinity is toxic. They are saying there are elements within in it perceived masculinity that are.
I've spoken with social workers and law enforcement agencies, I've witnessed it first hand... it's all over this thread.
Ok. So you can't do it then. "No, I could. I just can't be arsed with you, you don't deserve that level of attention because of your attitude. | |||
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"So you can expand on this drumming in thing. It sounds like it was on the educational curriculum from the way you are banging on? This universal experience. Maybe my upbringing was typical and yours was the outlier? How can we know? Let me set the scene, im 33 and grew from teen to adult in the era of what was called metrosexuality. It was just like now except nobody hated each other via their online movement of choice
When I was growing my dad used to beat me up because I didn't like typical manly things like football, whenever I got into a fight as a kid, if I lost that fight, my dad would then beat me up even more to points where I passed out, all because I was an "insult" to the family for not being a proper boy. There were numerous times I saw him hit my mum too, as he took his stance that he's the man of the house and he ran things how he wanted, and if he didn't get his way he would rampage on and smash things up, see the beatings stopped but that became his way of keeping the fear around. He later told me that's just how he thought being a man was supposed to be as other families used to be brought up the same way, that being a man meant your family should fear you and your power.
So yeah, don't sit there and try and tell me Toxic Masculinity doesn't exist and that it's lefty propaganda of some bs whilst smiling it off, but hey, it's all a joke right? We don't talk about such silly things
Toxic masculinity does not exist. It's terrible how you grew up, from your own description. However, your individual experience is not the norm. You say that your father told you that that is how he thought being a man was supppsed to be. Now for a grown man to think that is ridiculous. The man described in what you have shared, is an abuser of children and adults. His warped and incorrect vision of society is not one that i'm going to accept. That man was not a typical family man. That man does not represent men in society.
What you are describing is your individual experience of your father. He is not a representation of all men.
Nobody is saying it's the normal!
I'm sure there are a lot of social workers and law enforcement community who would agree that it's a far more serious and widespread problem than most of you are giving it credit for.
Stop taking it as a personal insult and have a long hard look at yourselves, just incase. If you're all good, there is nothing to get upset over is there?
Toxic masculinity is not real. It is made up by left wing feminist ideology. The thing you say is widespread is not. You're not even sure yourself because you have no facts to support the theory. You said I'm sure social workers and law enforcement would agree. Well, why don't you find out? If you provide the evidence to support "toxic masculinity", that would be great. At the moment there isn't any. So that demonstrates it isn't real.
Then the nonsense of me taking it personally. Which is laughable. If any are going on personal thoughts, it is you. As a result, personel experiences do not constitute an issue gender wide or in the wider society. So when someone suggests it is and tries to spread a message that is wrong. I will question that. Why wouldn't i?
Mate. I know what I'm talking about, I don't need to recite statistics for a Fab forum debate.
Nobody is saying masculinity is toxic. They are saying there are elements within in it perceived masculinity that are.
I've spoken with social workers and law enforcement agencies, I've witnessed it first hand... it's all over this thread.
Ok. So you can't do it then.
No, I could. I just can't be arsed with you, you don't deserve that level of attention because of your attitude."Evidently! | |||
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"Lovely to be messaged by cowards. I recieved a message from a user who felt it necessary to verbally abuse me, defame my character, splurge that they have proof of 'toxic maculinity' and then block me. all from a civil user that has not made one single comment on the thread on the subject. Obviously too cowardly to offer their opinions in an open forum for discussion."Do you need some counselling to help you cope with the trauma, or will hugs do? | |||
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"I think it is a total load of old bollox...it's an advertisement for fucks sake.... designed to sell units of product ...by pulling whatever strings they can....and to help the wittle wadies shave their bits they make pwitty pink wazors Mate you just personify what we are talking about. Dinosaur ethics. " So Gillette make male and specific razors out of the kindness of their hearts?...no..they are just doubling their customer base...and I don't personify anything of the sort ...so don't try to categorize me as a dinosaur | |||
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"Lovely to be messaged by cowards. I recieved a message from a user who felt it necessary to verbally abuse me, defame my character, splurge that they have proof of 'toxic maculinity' and then block me. all from a civil user that has not made one single comment on the thread on the subject. Obviously too cowardly to offer their opinions in an open forum for discussion.
Do you need some counselling to help you cope with the trauma, or will hugs do? "Talkings good but i'm a hugger | |||
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"It got you all talking about Gillette razors tho didn't it?!... the ad has worked!! All publicity is good publicity" Wanna buy some Ratner's earrings? | |||
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"I think it is a total load of old bollox...it's an advertisement for fucks sake.... designed to sell units of product ...by pulling whatever strings they can....and to help the wittle wadies shave their bits they make pwitty pink wazors Mate you just personify what we are talking about. Dinosaur ethics. So Gillette make male and specific razors out of the kindness of their hearts?...no..they are just doubling their customer base...and I don't personify anything of the sort ...so don't try to categorize me as a dinosaur" I use unisex single blade bics sensatives | |||
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"I think it is a total load of old bollox...it's an advertisement for fucks sake.... designed to sell units of product ...by pulling whatever strings they can....and to help the wittle wadies shave their bits they make pwitty pink wazors Mate you just personify what we are talking about. Dinosaur ethics. So Gillette make male and specific razors out of the kindness of their hearts?...no..they are just doubling their customer base...and I don't personify anything of the sort ...so don't try to categorize me as a dinosaur I use unisex single blade bics sensatives" I use a blowtorch, and whisky as aftershave | |||
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"Does this mean that Gillette will (in the name of equality) do a similar advert with women? (yes, it does happen, my little snowflakes...waiting for my 24hour ban). This would have women and schoolgirls reading fashionista mags that have mocked other females for being fat/not wearing makeup/having multiple sexual partners and body shaming, as well as female aggression to men and even TV/TS/CDs for choosing clothes in a women's shop for example. If they don't do this , then we know that they are being extremely biased and need to sort themselves out. The word bitch is a female term of abuse, a noun and a verb. Because all women are saints." Believe it or not, there has been a behavioural change campaign for women, created by women - for years. Met with the same scepticism by those who were grossly offended by it and believed a woman's place was in the home. They are being told to ignore the bitchibg, body shaming and bullying. Told to ignore all the fashion magazines, encouraged to smash glass ceilings. That's why they're starting to tell us what they think. You know what? A lot of it makes sense. It's not being said to vilify us, they're trying to save us from ourselves and each other. Where is the harm in being a bit kinder to each other? Rather than turning everything into a competition all the time? | |||
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"Found it ott and boring. Gerard Butler and Chris Hemsworth getting ready to hit the town is all my simple mind needs...30 seconds...done! Two minute ads I tolerate at Christmas. Pomposity to flog razors...please!" Not so attractive if they're acting like a couple of cunts, starting fights out of bottled up insecurity though is it? I find shit like this OTT and boring, I don't need Iceland to tell me Orangutans have been on the way out. I knew back when I was 10 and I knew what the reason was. Sad fact is... many people don't know these things. Or choose not to care because it's OTT and not cool to give a fuck. Same problem with politics, that's why the world's such a fucked up place. Apathy. | |||
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"Does this mean that Gillette will (in the name of equality) do a similar advert with women? (yes, it does happen, my little snowflakes...waiting for my 24hour ban). This would have women and schoolgirls reading fashionista mags that have mocked other females for being fat/not wearing makeup/having multiple sexual partners and body shaming, as well as female aggression to men and even TV/TS/CDs for choosing clothes in a women's shop for example. If they don't do this , then we know that they are being extremely biased and need to sort themselves out. The word bitch is a female term of abuse, a noun and a verb. Because all women are saints. Believe it or not, there has been a behavioural change campaign for women, created by women - for years. Met with the same scepticism by those who were grossly offended by it and believed a woman's place was in the home. They are being told to ignore the bitchibg, body shaming and bullying. Told to ignore all the fashion magazines, encouraged to smash glass ceilings. That's why they're starting to tell us what they think. You know what? A lot of it makes sense. It's not being said to vilify us, they're trying to save us from ourselves and each other. Where is the harm in being a bit kinder to each other? Rather than turning everything into a competition all the time?" Have you seen the current story about the SAS woman who went into the Nairobi hotel and talked all the baddies into surrendering? | |||
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"Does this mean that Gillette will (in the name of equality) do a similar advert with women? (yes, it does happen, my little snowflakes...waiting for my 24hour ban). This would have women and schoolgirls reading fashionista mags that have mocked other females for being fat/not wearing makeup/having multiple sexual partners and body shaming, as well as female aggression to men and even TV/TS/CDs for choosing clothes in a women's shop for example. If they don't do this , then we know that they are being extremely biased and need to sort themselves out. The word bitch is a female term of abuse, a noun and a verb. Because all women are saints. Believe it or not, there has been a behavioural change campaign for women, created by women - for years. Met with the same scepticism by those who were grossly offended by it and believed a woman's place was in the home. They are being told to ignore the bitchibg, body shaming and bullying. Told to ignore all the fashion magazines, encouraged to smash glass ceilings. That's why they're starting to tell us what they think. You know what? A lot of it makes sense. It's not being said to vilify us, they're trying to save us from ourselves and each other. Where is the harm in being a bit kinder to each other? Rather than turning everything into a competition all the time? Have you seen the current story about the SAS woman who went into the Nairobi hotel and talked all the baddies into surrendering?" How is this relevant to what we're talking about? | |||
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"Does this mean that Gillette will (in the name of equality) do a similar advert with women? (yes, it does happen, my little snowflakes...waiting for my 24hour ban). This would have women and schoolgirls reading fashionista mags that have mocked other females for being fat/not wearing makeup/having multiple sexual partners and body shaming, as well as female aggression to men and even TV/TS/CDs for choosing clothes in a women's shop for example. If they don't do this , then we know that they are being extremely biased and need to sort themselves out. The word bitch is a female term of abuse, a noun and a verb. Because all women are saints. Believe it or not, there has been a behavioural change campaign for women, created by women - for years. Met with the same scepticism by those who were grossly offended by it and believed a woman's place was in the home. They are being told to ignore the bitchibg, body shaming and bullying. Told to ignore all the fashion magazines, encouraged to smash glass ceilings. That's why they're starting to tell us what they think. You know what? A lot of it makes sense. It's not being said to vilify us, they're trying to save us from ourselves and each other. Where is the harm in being a bit kinder to each other? Rather than turning everything into a competition all the time? Have you seen the current story about the SAS woman who went into the Nairobi hotel and talked all the baddies into surrendering? How is this relevant to what we're talking about?" Did you read the story? What was the first thing you noticed? | |||
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"Does this mean that Gillette will (in the name of equality) do a similar advert with women? (yes, it does happen, my little snowflakes...waiting for my 24hour ban). This would have women and schoolgirls reading fashionista mags that have mocked other females for being fat/not wearing makeup/having multiple sexual partners and body shaming, as well as female aggression to men and even TV/TS/CDs for choosing clothes in a women's shop for example. If they don't do this , then we know that they are being extremely biased and need to sort themselves out. The word bitch is a female term of abuse, a noun and a verb. Because all women are saints. Believe it or not, there has been a behavioural change campaign for women, created by women - for years. Met with the same scepticism by those who were grossly offended by it and believed a woman's place was in the home. They are being told to ignore the bitchibg, body shaming and bullying. Told to ignore all the fashion magazines, encouraged to smash glass ceilings. That's why they're starting to tell us what they think. You know what? A lot of it makes sense. It's not being said to vilify us, they're trying to save us from ourselves and each other. Where is the harm in being a bit kinder to each other? Rather than turning everything into a competition all the time? Have you seen the current story about the SAS woman who went into the Nairobi hotel and talked all the baddies into surrendering? How is this relevant to what we're talking about? Did you read the story? What was the first thing you noticed?" No I've not. All I know is a British ex-SF helped put an end to it. If she's female, fucking great, if she did it peacefully, Hal-el-fuck-ing-lu-jah. The thing is we've not got any ex-SF women yet, so I think youre taking the piss a bit, which isn't helpful at all. If you've got a point, I'm guessing it's because a manly man had go use extreme violence to get the job done? Is this the case? I guess I need to read up before I accuse you of anything unfairly. | |||
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"It's a cynical marketing ploy tapping into current day issues to sell their product. On the other hand, toxic masculinity (NOT masculinity as a whole), is damaging to everyone. Toxic masculinity refers to attitudes like 'boys don't cry', 'men don't talk about their feelings', 'men have to fight and can't back down', 'women are subordinate to men', 'men can have whatever they want (including sex whenever they want it)', 'men have to be big in front of their friends' etc etc. Male suicide rates, male depression, violence (inc DV), sexual assault, can all be expressions/results of TOXIC masculinity. These are things that need to be addressed. I love masculine men - but toxic masculinity can get in the bin! The ad is carrying a positive message and I hope people hear it over the outrage." | |||
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"Lovely to be messaged by cowards. I recieved a message from a user who felt it necessary to verbally abuse me, defame my character, splurge that they have proof of 'toxic maculinity' and then block me. all from a civil user that has not made one single comment on the thread on the subject. Obviously too cowardly to offer their opinions in an open forum for discussion."I've never received any abuse on fab but if I did I would happily take a ban for naming the c*nts | |||
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"Does this mean that Gillette will (in the name of equality) do a similar advert with women? (yes, it does happen, my little snowflakes...waiting for my 24hour ban). This would have women and schoolgirls reading fashionista mags that have mocked other females for being fat/not wearing makeup/having multiple sexual partners and body shaming, as well as female aggression to men and even TV/TS/CDs for choosing clothes in a women's shop for example. If they don't do this , then we know that they are being extremely biased and need to sort themselves out. The word bitch is a female term of abuse, a noun and a verb. Because all women are saints. Believe it or not, there has been a behavioural change campaign for women, created by women - for years. Met with the same scepticism by those who were grossly offended by it and believed a woman's place was in the home. They are being told to ignore the bitchibg, body shaming and bullying. Told to ignore all the fashion magazines, encouraged to smash glass ceilings. That's why they're starting to tell us what they think. You know what? A lot of it makes sense. It's not being said to vilify us, they're trying to save us from ourselves and each other. Where is the harm in being a bit kinder to each other? Rather than turning everything into a competition all the time? Have you seen the current story about the SAS woman who went into the Nairobi hotel and talked all the baddies into surrendering? How is this relevant to what we're talking about? Did you read the story? What was the first thing you noticed? No I've not. All I know is a British ex-SF helped put an end to it. If she's female, fucking great, if she did it peacefully, Hal-el-fuck-ing-lu-jah. The thing is we've not got any ex-SF women yet, so I think youre taking the piss a bit, which isn't helpful at all. If you've got a point, I'm guessing it's because a manly man had go use extreme violence to get the job done? Is this the case? I guess I need to read up before I accuse you of anything unfairly." You say "manly man" as if it's a bad thing, but the fact is, it was a man. Now I know a few of the lads at Hereford and they would almost certainly qualify as "toxic" under the descriptions in some of the articles I've read. My point is, that I don't believe in toxic masculinity, but I do believe in toxic humanity. Both men and women have equal capacity to be toxic, both on the same terms and in different ways dependant on their gender. If you try to take away "manly men" under the guise of stamping out the false "male toxicity" banner, you're in danger of not having men in future like this SAS guy to step in when needed. | |||
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