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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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I don't think I can answer that, I'm not a woman. I don't get treated any differently when I'm dressed or when I'm not. That's about the closest answer I can give. Not from what I've seen. All guys fuck differently and dependant on their moods I find.
I don't think they do though. What makes you ask? I'm curious |
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I don’t think so - I mean as Cixi says... not qualified to answer how women play... I have found every man is different in what his pleasure points are - the mind is the key nut to crack (no pun intended)
It all depends on the sexual vibe and the compatibility. Sex with the same man is different each time. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"Firm is fine, just dont pull on it too hard "
How hard is too hard though.
The guys I was watching looked like they were playing with a dead chicken. |
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By *emini ManMan
over a year ago
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I think male on male sex can be more carnal and animalistic at times but that doesn't necessarily mean it's "rougher" as such, just different - is hard to describe - I also tend to be more bottom when I play with guys which may explain why I find that. |
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"I think male on male sex can be more carnal and animalistic at times but that doesn't necessarily mean it's "rougher" as such, just different - is hard to describe - I also tend to be more bottom when I play with guys which may explain why I find that."
I'm talking specifically about how they man-handle a penis. Some were very firm with it and pulling it about quite hard. I would be too worried I would do them some damage, but I'm now wondering if I'm being too cautious.
One of the things I like doing with a man is playing with his oiled cock. When it's very hard I don't like to pull it away from the body too firmly, in case it's painful. |
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By *emini ManMan
over a year ago
There and to the left a bit |
"I think male on male sex can be more carnal and animalistic at times but that doesn't necessarily mean it's "rougher" as such, just different - is hard to describe - I also tend to be more bottom when I play with guys which may explain why I find that.
I'm talking specifically about how they man-handle a penis. Some were very firm with it and pulling it about quite hard. I would be too worried I would do them some damage, but I'm now wondering if I'm being too cautious.
One of the things I like doing with a man is playing with his oiled cock. When it's very hard I don't like to pull it away from the body too firmly, in case it's painful."
On that front I've had more painful experiences with women manhandling me too roughly than I have men but that's been rare. |
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By *oneeMan
over a year ago
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I find men give a better wank than women as they know how they like it done, some women give you a wank as if it a gear stick also never had a man say are you cumin yet which kills the moment. |
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Be as rough as you like with the cock just don't go anywhere near my balls. The balls are just there to go along for the ride, you know? Balls are sensitive.
But, yeah, i suppose women to tend to be more gentle. I guess it's in a woman's nature to be more on the gentle side. You tend to need to tell women to be harder or faster etc. Other men have a cock so they know exactly how to handle one and know what's what.
I'm more interested in being fucked hard though. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I think male on male sex can be more carnal and animalistic at times but that doesn't necessarily mean it's "rougher" as such, just different - is hard to describe - I also tend to be more bottom when I play with guys which may explain why I find that.
I'm talking specifically about how they man-handle a penis. Some were very firm with it and pulling it about quite hard. I would be too worried I would do them some damage, but I'm now wondering if I'm being too cautious.
One of the things I like doing with a man is playing with his oiled cock. When it's very hard I don't like to pull it away from the body too firmly, in case it's painful."
That sounds incredible! One of my favourite things I thought you meant sex in general.
In response to that if say... Like a woman, provided we've had plenty of foreplay and the strength at which you build up the intensity is slowly built up and not jumped straight into...
The penis can take quite a rough beating a strong, rough oily hand job can have me in ecstasy, especially if I'm being repeatedly edged. Far more enjoyable than a good blowjob as hands are dexterous things.
I like my balls to be punished a little bit in this rough play and I do find everyone a little reluctant to be firmer with it. Not CBT, just some firm squeezes and the occasional gentle slap, enough to take me breath away slightly.
Read his body language and build up. Be careful about banjo string though... it is the weak spot and can snap
All men are different though x
Good question I think |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"I think male on male sex can be more carnal and animalistic at times but that doesn't necessarily mean it's "rougher" as such, just different - is hard to describe - I also tend to be more bottom when I play with guys which may explain why I find that.
I'm talking specifically about how they man-handle a penis. Some were very firm with it and pulling it about quite hard. I would be too worried I would do them some damage, but I'm now wondering if I'm being too cautious.
One of the things I like doing with a man is playing with his oiled cock. When it's very hard I don't like to pull it away from the body too firmly, in case it's painful."
Interesting |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I think male on male sex can be more carnal and animalistic at times but that doesn't necessarily mean it's "rougher" as such, just different - is hard to describe - I also tend to be more bottom when I play with guys which may explain why I find that.
I'm talking specifically about how they man-handle a penis. Some were very firm with it and pulling it about quite hard. I would be too worried I would do them some damage, but I'm now wondering if I'm being too cautious.
One of the things I like doing with a man is playing with his oiled cock. When it's very hard I don't like to pull it away from the body too firmly, in case it's painful."
Just ask us. We’re all different. We wank differently, get turned on by different things and can vary depending on what’s going on in our world, our degree of horniness, what other things we’ve done in the meet before that. On the whole I grip myself more firmly than women do and I’ve only been wanked a bit by three men and I can’t really remember much as it was too long ago. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I think male on male sex can be more carnal and animalistic at times but that doesn't necessarily mean it's "rougher" as such, just different - is hard to describe - I also tend to be more bottom when I play with guys which may explain why I find that.
I'm talking specifically about how they man-handle a penis. Some were very firm with it and pulling it about quite hard. I would be too worried I would do them some damage, but I'm now wondering if I'm being too cautious.
One of the things I like doing with a man is playing with his oiled cock. When it's very hard I don't like to pull it away from the body too firmly, in case it's painful.
Just ask us. We’re all different. We wank differently, get turned on by different things and can vary depending on what’s going on in our world, our degree of horniness, what other things we’ve done in the meet before that. On the whole I grip myself more firmly than women do and I’ve only been wanked a bit by three men and I can’t really remember much as it was too long ago."
Oh and I have no idea if I like being handled more roughly because the only time a woman was ever rough with was an ex girlfriend some 30 odd years ago who squeezed my balls so tightly It was like being kicked in the balls. I didn’t like that and have no intention of encouraging that kind of pain.
Though I know some guys like the feeling of being kicked in the balls, but it’s not exactly mainstream |
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By *ocbigMan
over a year ago
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In hugely general terms...not that I am massively experienced..I find men better at wanking off, & mostly blow jobs, but men seem to like being rough with nipple play whereas women are not, there does seem to be a thread of we are good at using the tools we are used to, not so much with a different design. A little communication & direction usually helps both parties. |
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My experience has been that guys are much less sensual than women and more often than not go at it like a bull in a china shop!
They’re often ‘gropey’ and too eager, kiss like they’re trying to get their tongue into your stomach and wank cock like they want me to come in seconds Most don’t seem to have much idea about foreplay either. Or is it just that they want to get it over with me quickly? |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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Its difficult to ask constantly if something is going to hurt, as I have his cock in my hands. I always ask if balls are off limits , as some men don't like them touched.
I'll have to keep asking if I can be firmer I suppose, but it kind of detracts from the moment.
I just want to know whether erect cocks hurt when they are wanked, ever.
Obviously aggressive wanking would. |
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"My experience has been that guys are much less sensual than women and more often than not go at it like a bull in a china shop!
They’re often ‘gropey’ and too eager, kiss like they’re trying to get their tongue into your stomach and wank cock like they want me to come in seconds Most don’t seem to have much idea about foreplay either. Or is it just that they want to get it over with me quickly? "
That's what I've seen quite a bit in porn, so I wanted to see if it's ok to be firmer than I usually am, at times.
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"My experience has been that guys are much less sensual than women and more often than not go at it like a bull in a china shop!
They’re often ‘gropey’ and too eager, kiss like they’re trying to get their tongue into your stomach and wank cock like they want me to come in seconds Most don’t seem to have much idea about foreplay either. Or is it just that they want to get it over with me quickly?
That's what I've seen quite a bit in porn, so I wanted to see if it's ok to be firmer than I usually am, at times.
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build it up and read his body language You'll know if he likes it or not |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"My experience has been that guys are much less sensual than women and more often than not go at it like a bull in a china shop!
They’re often ‘gropey’ and too eager, kiss like they’re trying to get their tongue into your stomach and wank cock like they want me to come in seconds Most don’t seem to have much idea about foreplay either. Or is it just that they want to get it over with me quickly?
That's what I've seen quite a bit in porn, so I wanted to see if it's ok to be firmer than I usually am, at times.
build it up and read his body language You'll know if he likes it or not "
Yea, but one pull, just that little bit too hard, and I might get a knee to my face
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"Do you find men are rougher with a cock than women?
are yoou suggesting women have cocks,, if not yer questions a bit odd "
I would love to have a cock, but no, I meant how they handle a cock on a man. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Do you find men are rougher with a cock than women?
are yoou suggesting women have cocks,, if not yer questions a bit odd "
Nobody else seems to have interpreted her question that way |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Its difficult to ask constantly if something is going to hurt, as I have his cock in my hands. I always ask if balls are off limits , as some men don't like them touched.
I'll have to keep asking if I can be firmer I suppose, but it kind of detracts from the moment.
I just want to know whether erect cocks hurt when they are wanked, ever.
Obviously aggressive wanking would. "
Tell him to wank for you. Watch him for a minute or so, then take over. (Pay attention to how he does it.) |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"Its difficult to ask constantly if something is going to hurt, as I have his cock in my hands. I always ask if balls are off limits , as some men don't like them touched.
I'll have to keep asking if I can be firmer I suppose, but it kind of detracts from the moment.
I just want to know whether erect cocks hurt when they are wanked, ever.
Obviously aggressive wanking would.
Tell him to wank for you. Watch him for a minute or so, then take over. (Pay attention to how he does it.)"
This will be more like tied orgasm denial type stuff. I don't want to overdo the wanking part
I don't want to do him a damage. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"Do you find men are rougher with a cock than women?
are yoou suggesting women have cocks,, if not yer questions a bit odd
Nobody else seems to have interpreted her question that way "
If you keep reading it, it can seem that's what I meant. I probably need to use a comma or say do you think men are rougher than women, when they wank a penis. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Its difficult to ask constantly if something is going to hurt, as I have his cock in my hands. I always ask if balls are off limits , as some men don't like them touched.
I'll have to keep asking if I can be firmer I suppose, but it kind of detracts from the moment.
I just want to know whether erect cocks hurt when they are wanked, ever.
Obviously aggressive wanking would.
Tell him to wank for you. Watch him for a minute or so, then take over. (Pay attention to how he does it.)" This- it's a similar question to asking if men are rough when fingering a woman- different women have different degrees of rough, and it's all part of reading someone by their responses x |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Do you find men are rougher with a cock than women?
are yoou suggesting women have cocks,, if not yer questions a bit odd
I would love to have a cock, but no, I meant how they handle a cock on a man. "
thats not how you worded it,,,ha your suggesting as I thought,,,ALL women on here have a willy.
I knew it,,,i knew it |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Its difficult to ask constantly if something is going to hurt, as I have his cock in my hands. I always ask if balls are off limits , as some men don't like them touched.
I'll have to keep asking if I can be firmer I suppose, but it kind of detracts from the moment.
I just want to know whether erect cocks hurt when they are wanked, ever.
Obviously aggressive wanking would.
Tell him to wank for you. Watch him for a minute or so, then take over. (Pay attention to how he does it.)
This will be more like tied orgasm denial type stuff. I don't want to overdo the wanking part
I don't want to do him a damage."
I thought that was what you meant. Edging? I'd still suggest the same. He starts himself off but you stop him... tie him... make him watch you...
I once did this for a while and got him so excited he cum when I wasn't touching him.
The memory just cheered me right up! |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"My experience has been that guys are much less sensual than women and more often than not go at it like a bull in a china shop!
They’re often ‘gropey’ and too eager, kiss like they’re trying to get their tongue into your stomach and wank cock like they want me to come in seconds Most don’t seem to have much idea about foreplay either. Or is it just that they want to get it over with me quickly?
That's what I've seen quite a bit in porn, so I wanted to see if it's ok to be firmer than I usually am, at times.
build it up and read his body language You'll know if he likes it or not
Yea, but one pull, just that little bit too hard, and I might get a knee to my face
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I think youre more likley to see his hand come down and slowly finger wrestle control back over his cock. It's our most precious body part. Only once it's safely back in our own hands are you lilley to get ghe knee to the face Youll have had time to run away then |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"My experience has been that guys are much less sensual than women and more often than not go at it like a bull in a china shop!
They’re often ‘gropey’ and too eager, kiss like they’re trying to get their tongue into your stomach and wank cock like they want me to come in seconds Most don’t seem to have much idea about foreplay either. Or is it just that they want to get it over with me quickly?
That's what I've seen quite a bit in porn, so I wanted to see if it's ok to be firmer than I usually am, at times.
build it up and read his body language You'll know if he likes it or not
Yea, but one pull, just that little bit too hard, and I might get a knee to my face
I think youre more likley to see his hand come down and slowly finger wrestle control back over his cock. It's our most precious body part. Only once it's safely back in our own hands are you lilley to get ghe knee to the face Youll have had time to run away then "
His hands will be tied to something |
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"Its difficult to ask constantly if something is going to hurt, as I have his cock in my hands. I always ask if balls are off limits , as some men don't like them touched.
I'll have to keep asking if I can be firmer I suppose, but it kind of detracts from the moment.
I just want to know whether erect cocks hurt when they are wanked, ever.
Obviously aggressive wanking would.
Tell him to wank for you. Watch him for a minute or so, then take over. (Pay attention to how he does it.)
This will be more like tied orgasm denial type stuff. I don't want to overdo the wanking part
I don't want to do him a damage.
I thought that was what you meant. Edging? I'd still suggest the same. He starts himself off but you stop him... tie him... make him watch you...
I once did this for a while and got him so excited he cum when I wasn't touching him.
The memory just cheered me right up! "
He's not allowed to touch. I know how to do it, I was wondering if there's a too rough point for most men. I've had a man ask me to squeeze his balls really hard, but I wouldn't do that to any other ma n unless he asks. I'll have to keep a close eye on his face see if he winces lol |
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"orgasm denial/control/edging is incredible Provided youve both got the energy for a long night and know each others bodies very well "
It will be for anyone in the future. I'm usually firm but sensual; I'm thinking of being a bit firmer but don't like pulling it about too much-just in case. |
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"orgasm denial/control/edging is incredible Provided youve both got the energy for a long night and know each others bodies very well
It will be for anyone in the future. I'm usually firm but sensual; I'm thinking of being a bit firmer but don't like pulling it about too much-just in case."
You sound like you're doing an awesome job to me, I love that you seem very turned on by it. That would turn me on more if someone was clearly getting excited turning me on. That plus a bit of rough and I'd be in heaven for as long as I could last. Not very good with post orgasm torture though. I buckle in half and take back control immideatly. Very sensitive |
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"orgasm denial/control/edging is incredible Provided youve both got the energy for a long night and know each others bodies very well
It will be for anyone in the future. I'm usually firm but sensual; I'm thinking of being a bit firmer but don't like pulling it about too much-just in case.
You sound like you're doing an awesome job to me, I love that you seem very turned on by it. That would turn me on more if someone was clearly getting excited turning me on. That plus a bit of rough and I'd be in heaven for as long as I could last. Not very good with post orgasm torture though. I buckle in half and take back control immideatly. Very sensitive "
I've yet to find a man who can take post orgasm torture. It's all too sensitive after they cum. |
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"Do you find men are rougher with a cock than women?
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No not at all & they are much better at giving head. The very best blow jobs are from the tgirls, bug shout out to all you lovely tladies at Touch & Amy Jane's nobody does it better.
I was being blown by a female nurse from Fleet who was so bad I thought I had put my cock in the crocodiles mouth, rough as fuck.
Guys def do it better, tgirls do it best. |
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"Do you find men are rougher with a cock than women?
No not at all & they are much better at giving head. The very best blow jobs are from the tgirls, bug shout out to all you lovely tladies at Touch & Amy Jane's nobody does it better.
I was being blown by a female nurse from Fleet who was so bad I thought I had put my cock in the crocodiles mouth, rough as fuck.
Guys def do it better, tgirls do it best."
So, you don't like rough wanking? |
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"Do you find men are rougher with a cock than women?
No not at all & they are much better at giving head. The very best blow jobs are from the tgirls, bug shout out to all you lovely tladies at Touch & Amy Jane's nobody does it better.
I was being blown by a female nurse from Fleet who was so bad I thought I had put my cock in the crocodiles mouth, rough as fuck.
Guys def do it better, tgirls do it best.
So, you don't like rough wanking?"
No I don't like rough wanking & even if I did I could do that for myself. When someone else has my cock I like to be entertained not worried. |
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"orgasm denial/control/edging is incredible Provided youve both got the energy for a long night and know each others bodies very well
It will be for anyone in the future. I'm usually firm but sensual; I'm thinking of being a bit firmer but don't like pulling it about too much-just in case.
You sound like you're doing an awesome job to me, I love that you seem very turned on by it. That would turn me on more if someone was clearly getting excited turning me on. That plus a bit of rough and I'd be in heaven for as long as I could last. Not very good with post orgasm torture though. I buckle in half and take back control immideatly. Very sensitive
I've yet to find a man who can take post orgasm torture. It's all too sensitive after they cum."
It's an interesting concept to me as I like to be sounded. |
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"Do you find men are rougher with a cock than women?
No not at all & they are much better at giving head. The very best blow jobs are from the tgirls, bug shout out to all you lovely tladies at Touch & Amy Jane's nobody does it better.
I was being blown by a female nurse from Fleet who was so bad I thought I had put my cock in the crocodiles mouth, rough as fuck.
Guys def do it better, tgirls do it best.
So, you don't like rough wanking?
No I don't like rough wanking & even if I did I could do that for myself. When someone else has my cock I like to be entertained not worried."
That's why I asked if there's a too rough point, as I've seen men be quite unforgiving. |
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"orgasm denial/control/edging is incredible Provided youve both got the energy for a long night and know each others bodies very well
It will be for anyone in the future. I'm usually firm but sensual; I'm thinking of being a bit firmer but don't like pulling it about too much-just in case.
You sound like you're doing an awesome job to me, I love that you seem very turned on by it. That would turn me on more if someone was clearly getting excited turning me on. That plus a bit of rough and I'd be in heaven for as long as I could last. Not very good with post orgasm torture though. I buckle in half and take back control immideatly. Very sensitive
I've yet to find a man who can take post orgasm torture. It's all too sensitive after they cum.
It's an interesting concept to me as I like to be sounded."
I was toying with the idea of that with a friend of mine. |
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"Do you find men are rougher with a cock than women?
No not at all & they are much better at giving head. The very best blow jobs are from the tgirls, bug shout out to all you lovely tladies at Touch & Amy Jane's nobody does it better.
I was being blown by a female nurse from Fleet who was so bad I thought I had put my cock in the crocodiles mouth, rough as fuck.
Guys def do it better, tgirls do it best."
The female wrong uns you've met. Letting the side down
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"orgasm denial/control/edging is incredible Provided youve both got the energy for a long night and know each others bodies very well
It will be for anyone in the future. I'm usually firm but sensual; I'm thinking of being a bit firmer but don't like pulling it about too much-just in case.
You sound like you're doing an awesome job to me, I love that you seem very turned on by it. That would turn me on more if someone was clearly getting excited turning me on. That plus a bit of rough and I'd be in heaven for as long as I could last. Not very good with post orgasm torture though. I buckle in half and take back control immideatly. Very sensitive
I've yet to find a man who can take post orgasm torture. It's all too sensitive after they cum.
It's an interesting concept to me as I like to be sounded.
I was toying with the idea of that with a friend of mine. "
I could send you a couple of shots of my fb doing me. |
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"orgasm denial/control/edging is incredible Provided youve both got the energy for a long night and know each others bodies very well
It will be for anyone in the future. I'm usually firm but sensual; I'm thinking of being a bit firmer but don't like pulling it about too much-just in case.
You sound like you're doing an awesome job to me, I love that you seem very turned on by it. That would turn me on more if someone was clearly getting excited turning me on. That plus a bit of rough and I'd be in heaven for as long as I could last. Not very good with post orgasm torture though. I buckle in half and take back control immideatly. Very sensitive
I've yet to find a man who can take post orgasm torture. It's all too sensitive after they cum.
It's an interesting concept to me as I like to be sounded.
I was toying with the idea of that with a friend of mine.
I could send you a couple of shots of my fb doing me."
No thank you, I'm not here for pics. |
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"Do you find men are rougher with a cock than women?
No not at all & they are much better at giving head. The very best blow jobs are from the tgirls, bug shout out to all you lovely tladies at Touch & Amy Jane's nobody does it better.
I was being blown by a female nurse from Fleet who was so bad I thought I had put my cock in the crocodiles mouth, rough as fuck.
Guys def do it better, tgirls do it best.
The female wrong uns you've met. Letting the side down
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Ah they weren't wrong uns & far from complaining I was very appreciative. Well, apart from the Fleet Teeth she was actually worrying & I had to stop her.
Ladies you do a great job & it's much appreciated. Bronze medal to you all. Gents you're even better but then you should be, Silver medal. Tgirls, pure silk all the way Gold every time x x x. |
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"orgasm denial/control/edging is incredible Provided youve both got the energy for a long night and know each others bodies very well
It will be for anyone in the future. I'm usually firm but sensual; I'm thinking of being a bit firmer but don't like pulling it about too much-just in case.
You sound like you're doing an awesome job to me, I love that you seem very turned on by it. That would turn me on more if someone was clearly getting excited turning me on. That plus a bit of rough and I'd be in heaven for as long as I could last. Not very good with post orgasm torture though. I buckle in half and take back control immideatly. Very sensitive
I've yet to find a man who can take post orgasm torture. It's all too sensitive after they cum.
It's an interesting concept to me as I like to be sounded.
I was toying with the idea of that with a friend of mine.
I could send you a couple of shots of my fb doing me.
No thank you, I'm not here for pics."
The sensations are a delight pre & post ejaculation the difference is if the stockings wearer doing it has a cock in their knickers of their own. Then you really are in for a treat. |
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"orgasm denial/control/edging is incredible Provided youve both got the energy for a long night and know each others bodies very well
It will be for anyone in the future. I'm usually firm but sensual; I'm thinking of being a bit firmer but don't like pulling it about too much-just in case.
You sound like you're doing an awesome job to me, I love that you seem very turned on by it. That would turn me on more if someone was clearly getting excited turning me on. That plus a bit of rough and I'd be in heaven for as long as I could last. Not very good with post orgasm torture though. I buckle in half and take back control immideatly. Very sensitive
I've yet to find a man who can take post orgasm torture. It's all too sensitive after they cum.
It's an interesting concept to me as I like to be sounded.
I was toying with the idea of that with a friend of mine.
I could send you a couple of shots of my fb doing me.
No thank you, I'm not here for pics."
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"Do you find men are rougher with a cock than women?
No not at all & they are much better at giving head. The very best blow jobs are from the tgirls, bug shout out to all you lovely tladies at Touch & Amy Jane's nobody does it better.
I was being blown by a female nurse from Fleet who was so bad I thought I had put my cock in the crocodiles mouth, rough as fuck.
Guys def do it better, tgirls do it best.
The female wrong uns you've met. Letting the side down
Ah they weren't wrong uns & far from complaining I was very appreciative. Well, apart from the Fleet Teeth she was actually worrying & I had to stop her.
Ladies you do a great job & it's much appreciated. Bronze medal to you all. Gents you're even better but then you should be, Silver medal. Tgirls, pure silk all the way Gold every time x x x."
The girl must of had teeth like Mr Ed... I'm never a bronze - Fact! |
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