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Can you stop terrorism?
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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I dont think you can totally stop it, but reduce the chances, there have been few attacks over the new year, in manchester and in germany.
Is introducing the military like they have in france a good option? When I was in paris train station you saw them walking openly with machine guns. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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I fear that terrorism will never be stopped fully. Individuals and groups are always introducing new and ever more cunning ways to sabotage our lives. Security services and law enforcement will always be one step behind the bad guys. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"It’ll never stop until humankind realise that religions and politicians are causing most of the problems not ordinary people"
Ordinary people don't have religions??
Terrorism is politics |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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There will always be those who feel that bombs guns and stabings are the way to go.
Todays terroist becones tomorrows friends.
Even if all reglion was banned there would be those who want to hurt just because. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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The media fuels the situation allowing them a platform to advertise there hate and to attract other with a similar view.
It's not as easy as saying the military will stop them as this is more perception for the population to feel safe.
Bottom line is there is no easy answer to stopping people from hating others. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Nope, no matter what you do there will always be some idiot who doesn't appricate the one chance everyone has at life and mindlessly take it away from someone because of their twisted agenda. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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No. It's going to happen whatever you do because of individual differences unfortunately.
And I'd also say no to the military on the streets. The best thing we can do is continue as normal, the terrorist win when we begin to live in a state of constant fear of everything. Domestic and foreign security services already do so much behind the scenes to stop events that could have happened which we'll never know about 
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By *bi HaiveMan
over a year ago
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Can you stop terrorism?
Nope.
Because even if you take out the examples based on religion or political motivation you'll still have the 'state sponsored' variety where governments fund/supply/enable various groups to further their own aims.
Many of the world's terrorism problems have been created by the very countries they now affect. If governments didn't get involved in other countries affairs then modern terrorism wouldn't be quite the issue it is.
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"Can you stop terrorism?
Nope.
Because even if you take out the examples based on religion or political motivation you'll still have the 'state sponsored' variety where governments fund/supply/enable various groups to further their own aims.
Many of the world's terrorism problems have been created by the very countries they now affect. If governments didn't get involved in other countries affairs then modern terrorism wouldn't be quite the issue it is.
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Exactly! |
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By *eKoopleCouple
over a year ago
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"Yes... nato standard 5.56 or 7.62 usualy works.
KC  "
That work in Northern Ireland didn’t it?!!!
Unfortunately, the only people that can stop Political Terror, are those with the power to begin the problem to begin with. |
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"No. It's going to happen whatever you do because of individual differences unfortunately.
And I'd also say no to the military on the streets. The best thing we can do is continue as normal, the terrorist win when we begin to live in a state of constant fear of everything. Domestic and foreign security services already do so much behind the scenes to stop events that could have happened which we'll never know about
C"
Isn't that why a concern in the deal there is the database missing that each government has access to.. And we won't it was raised in parliament.. |
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By *ensualbicockMan
over a year ago
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"[Removed by poster at 02/01/19 10:37:41]
 not surprised you removed it. "
Thats exactly why
Read many books on terrorism
Dropping ordinance from airplanes on countries is terrorism too. Does not mean I condone it |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Yes... nato standard 5.56 or 7.62 usualy works.
KC
That work in Northern Ireland didn’t it?!!!
Unfortunately, the only people that can stop Political Terror, are those with the power to begin the problem to begin with. "
Then why not actualy use the UN modle more then? Didnt that work in bosnia? Or seirria lione? Do you honestly think that its the selfseving pollititions who will stand up to them or the good men who are willing to do bad things and put themselves in harms way so others can sleep easy? Any act of terrorism should always be met with the appropreate amount of force, and only if dialoge has failed. Just my opinion though
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By (user no longer on site)
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"No. It's going to happen whatever you do because of individual differences unfortunately.
And I'd also say no to the military on the streets. The best thing we can do is continue as normal, the terrorist win when we begin to live in a state of constant fear of everything. Domestic and foreign security services already do so much behind the scenes to stop events that could have happened which we'll never know about
C
Isn't that why a concern in the deal there is the database missing that each government has access to.. And we won't it was raised in parliament.. "
The UK already is, and still will be, a member of the Five Eyes - a cooperative intelligence network between the UK, USA, Canada, Australia, and New Zealand. That combined with organisations like NATO and Interpol, and I don't believe that our security and intelligence will take a huge hit.
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"I dont think you can totally stop it, but reduce the chances, there have been few attacks over the new year, in manchester and in germany.
Is introducing the military like they have in france a good option? When I was in paris train station you saw them walking openly with machine guns."
As the much heralded Sadiq Khan says terrorism is “part and parcel” of living in a major city
All while 2 people were killed only a few hours into the new year, knife crime is at a record high and avid attacks are a common occurrence, out friend Sadiq is spending £3million on a firework display to show some support for a fascist political union
The man should hang his head in shame |
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War on terrorist..what does war create? Terror...this makes terrorism.
Therefore its a war on the consequences of the actions you are involved in.
It's all one vicious cycle.
Can it be stopped completely?
In theory yes, stop going around playing "who's got the biggest stick" and poking people based on religion, colour or creed, stop wars, stop causing problems where because another country is different to ours it's not a case of invade and push our beliefs on them, it's not about going in to save 1 cent on a gallon of oil.
Whether it's the IRA or ETA or ISIS, it can all be tracked back to one country throwing its weight around where it quite frankly wasn't wanted/needed or appreciated.
We live in a world where there is more than enough land to put people peacefully, separate from indifference and in harmony. But as always there are those which create terror, create fear for personal gains.
So yes in theory it is possible, will it happen? Again possible but only once everyone starts working together rather than pushing each other apart which seems to go against the fundamental workings of mankind in general. |
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By *ensualbicockMan
over a year ago
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"War on terrorist..what does war create? Terror...this makes terrorism.
Therefore its a war on the consequences of the actions you are involved in.
It's all one vicious cycle.
Can it be stopped completely?
In theory yes, stop going around playing "who's got the biggest stick" and poking people based on religion, colour or creed, stop wars, stop causing problems where because another country is different to ours it's not a case of invade and push our beliefs on them, it's not about going in to save 1 cent on a gallon of oil.
Whether it's the IRA or ETA or ISIS, it can all be tracked back to one country throwing its weight around where it quite frankly wasn't wanted/needed or appreciated.
We live in a world where there is more than enough land to put people peacefully, separate from indifference and in harmony. But as always there are those which create terror, create fear for personal gains.
So yes in theory it is possible, will it happen? Again possible but only once everyone starts working together rather than pushing each other apart which seems to go against the fundamental workings of mankind in general. "
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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I've never quite understood the distinction that gets made by people when ideology is the driving force behind crime.
To differentiate between terrorism and other crime is to legitimise the terrorist.
It's crime and they are criminals. Pure and simple. |
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"Terrorist = Freedom Fighter
Freedom Fighter = Terrorist
Dialogue is the answer. "
No it's not.
So dialogue with ISIS for example?
What would you offer them? Half of Spain? (which they want)
If you gave in to every demand by every terrorist organisation the only result would be new groups demanding more.
You cannot talk to these people only defeat them. |
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By *bi HaiveMan
over a year ago
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"I've never quite understood the distinction that gets made by people when ideology is the driving force behind crime.
To differentiate between terrorism and other crime is to legitimise the terrorist.
It's crime and they are criminals. Pure and simple. "
Except that to some one man's terrorist is another's freedom fighter.
Brings me back to my point on state sponsored terrorism.
Look at Afghanistan. Who did the USA fund, train and support when they were fighting the Russians? Move on a few years and who were the USA fighting?
It's the same in the middle east and Africa.
One country thousands of miles away exerting it's influence, spending it's tax money and supporting a side based on personal interest, rather than that of the population of said country.
Whether it's oil, other natural resources, or simply the fact that the ruling power is more friendly with a traditional enemy - foreign interference is the primary cause of terrorism in so many instances.
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By *ensualbicockMan
over a year ago
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"I've never quite understood the distinction that gets made by people when ideology is the driving force behind crime.
To differentiate between terrorism and other crime is to legitimise the terrorist.
It's crime and they are criminals. Pure and simple.
Except that to some one man's terrorist is another's freedom fighter.
Brings me back to my point on state sponsored terrorism.
Look at Afghanistan. Who did the USA fund, train and support when they were fighting the Russians? Move on a few years and who were the USA fighting?
It's the same in the middle east and Africa.
One country thousands of miles away exerting it's influence, spending it's tax money and supporting a side based on personal interest, rather than that of the population of said country.
Whether it's oil, other natural resources, or simply the fact that the ruling power is more friendly with a traditional enemy - foreign interference is the primary cause of terrorism in so many instances.
A"
I agree. America is the biggest terrorist in the world imo |
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By *r TriomanMan
over a year ago
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"I've never quite understood the distinction that gets made by people when ideology is the driving force behind crime.
To differentiate between terrorism and other crime is to legitimise the terrorist.
It's crime and they are criminals. Pure and simple.
Except that to some one man's terrorist is another's freedom fighter.
Brings me back to my point on state sponsored terrorism.
Look at Afghanistan. Who did the USA fund, train and support when they were fighting the Russians? Move on a few years and who were the USA fighting?
It's the same in the middle east and Africa.
One country thousands of miles away exerting it's influence, spending it's tax money and supporting a side based on personal interest, rather than that of the population of said country.
Whether it's oil, other natural resources, or simply the fact that the ruling power is more friendly with a traditional enemy - foreign interference is the primary cause of terrorism in so many instances.
A
I agree. America is the biggest terrorist in the world imo"
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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One mans terrorist is another's freedom fighter.
Say for instance the U.K. was invaded and groups of citizens decided to fight back. To the invader these would be terrorists but to some citizens these would be freedom fighters.
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By (user no longer on site)
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"One mans terrorist is another's freedom fighter.
Say for instance the U.K. was invaded and groups of citizens decided to fight back. To the invader these would be terrorists but to some citizens these would be freedom fighters.
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Can you think of a circumstance outside of a declaration of war between states, in which it is legal to target and kill the civilian population?
These people are murderers, to call them otherwise lends legitimacy to their methods. |
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By *bi HaiveMan
over a year ago
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"One mans terrorist is another's freedom fighter.
Say for instance the U.K. was invaded and groups of citizens decided to fight back. To the invader these would be terrorists but to some citizens these would be freedom fighters.
Can you think of a circumstance outside of a declaration of war between states, in which it is legal to target and kill the civilian population?
These people are murderers, to call them otherwise lends legitimacy to their methods. "
It could be argued many western countries have done just that whilst bombing middle Eastern countries over the past two decades.
I don't recall a declaration of war between the UK and Syria.
Terrorists that kill civilians are abhorrent.
Are governments that bomb countries killing civilians in support of one side in a domestic arguement really any different?
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Yes, with the help of Donald Trump.
*this is not true
I hope there wouldn’t be the need for terrorism. Why people need to do what they do is beyond my comprehension.
I don’t think it will end. I hope it is managed better than it is, and we reduce the deaths of inocent people. |
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I think some people will always be on the outside, away from the mainstream and thus somewhat overlooked or excluded. It's the extent of the exclusion whether there's any hatred or increased exclusion directed towards them or attempts to harm, that can facilate greater hostility. Obviously any mindset that already is hostile, on either side, can make things worse and leaders need to be inclusive, rather than fostering anger etc.
We're not all the same and thus need to promote a more peaceful togetherness. Future years look set to be tougher for most people, with increased global warming, displacement, shortages of water and/or food - and this could foment greater rage due to divisions. I don't think it's possible to prevent terrorism but the state should be doing everything that's reasonably possible to understand its citizens and care for their wellbeing, as well as promote peace and tolerance.
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By (user no longer on site)
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Actually.. It was pretty quiet, until we started messing about in the middle east with countries and borders we meddled with in the past, wrecking countries and creating terrorist breeding grounds.
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"I dont think you can totally stop it, but reduce the chances, there have been few attacks over the new year, in manchester and in germany.
Is introducing the military like they have in france a good option? When I was in paris train station you saw them walking openly with machine guns."
Terrorist or Freedom fighter only point of view..
Our government has been one of the largest sources of terror around the world in the name of peace we are only getting some back.  |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I dont think you can totally stop it, but reduce the chances, there have been few attacks over the new year, in manchester and in germany.
Is introducing the military like they have in france a good option? When I was in paris train station you saw them walking openly with machine guns."
I don't think so. Every time I see them I think what an easy target they are, and a ready source of better weapons. |
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From a purely practical point of view, no.
It is impossible to stop someone deciding to kill and injure a number of others. For what ever reason.
You can make it harder, and as a country we do a reasonable job.
But much of the visible security is simply there to make people feel better. If it comes down to needing an armed police officer, it's too late (apart from to possibly minimise the damage).
Unless you keep everyone locked in cages, someone can do someone else harm. As has been shown all they need is a car or truck. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"There will always be those who feel that bombs guns and stabings are the way to go.
Todays terroist becones tomorrows friends.
Even if all reglion was banned there would be those who want to hurt just because."
Religion has a way of making good people do very bad things though. You think without religion Jews would have had 6 million of their people killed? Think Ireland would see hate just because someone is a different type of Christian. Think we would have have had 9:11? Crusades? Spanish Inquisition? Slavery as it’s confined by the bible?? Yes, we still will have nutters like peter sutcliffe but even he thought Jesus wanted him to kill prostitutes. Oops you started me off!!! Lol |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"One mans terrorist is another's freedom fighter.
Say for instance the U.K. was invaded and groups of citizens decided to fight back. To the invader these would be terrorists but to some citizens these would be freedom fighters.
Can you think of a circumstance outside of a declaration of war between states, in which it is legal to target and kill the civilian population?
These people are murderers, to call them otherwise lends legitimacy to their methods. "
Have you heard about Ballymurphy? Read about it and by your explanation, that makes the Paras a terror group.
I'm a ex soldier of 21 years by the way |
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"Terrorist = Freedom Fighter
Freedom Fighter = Terrorist
Dialogue is the answer.
No it's not.
So dialogue with ISIS for example?
What would you offer them? Half of Spain? (which they want)
If you gave in to every demand by every terrorist organisation the only result would be new groups demanding more.
You cannot talk to these people only defeat them."
Can you really defeat them.
Kill the head guy, another one takes its place. This time the new head guy has more hatred for his foe than the last one did, so he puts into place bigger attacks.
Do I know the answer not really. |
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By *bi HaiveMan
over a year ago
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"Can be reduced. Only one type of religion causes terrorism.
I'm not going to state any further as I'm sure I will get labeled racist if any further"
Is it Trumpism?
Because historically the USA has been as responsible as any Abrahamic religion.... 
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No can't stop it. Any law brought in to control 0.1% of the population just impinges the rights of the 99.9%.
Remember. They brought out license plate recognition system to fight the IRA. It was military gear. It was put on the motorways to spot IRA vans driving into London.
Since that day they have been used for nothing other than taking money off English people.
Gangs were roaming wild around london on mopeds throwing acid on people, cars mounted paths in terror attacks, and all the cameras did was make sure everyone who complies with every law paid to go into the city.
When you accept that, you will know the government just monitizes terrorism. They don't give a shit. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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One mans terrorist, is another mans freedom fighter. No, it is apart of our human condition, you can't eradicate it. Through out human history and our multitude of dominant civilisations, there has always been the suppressed revolting against the injustices of society. |
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"Imagine all the people
Living life in peace
Nothing to kill or die for
No religion too....
Some may say I'm a dreamer
Hope I'm not the only one...."
No but we all can't go around smoking and dropping Acid |
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By (user no longer on site)
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Terrorism is, arguably, the price of empire (said someone more learned than I).
But no, of course it can't be stopped - its a political tool - a faceless enemy that can be manipulated to suit an agenda.
Our enemies no longer have a country, a leader, a coherent strategy, a clear goal - nothing.
We're told who our enemies are, what they want and how we should be afraid, and we eat it up. |
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"Terrorist = Freedom Fighter
Freedom Fighter = Terrorist
Dialogue is the answer.
No it's not.
So dialogue with ISIS for example?
What would you offer them? Half of Spain? (which they want)
If you gave in to every demand by every terrorist organisation the only result would be new groups demanding more.
You cannot talk to these people only defeat them.
Can you really defeat them.
Kill the head guy, another one takes its place. This time the new head guy has more hatred for his foe than the last one did, so he puts into place bigger attacks.
Do I know the answer not really."
Yes you can defeat them.
However the methods would cause uproar. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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I also want to draw attention to what is happening to the christians living in nigeria over 60000 have died. I wonder why that doesnt get covered in the news? |
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"I also want to draw attention to what is happening to the christians living in nigeria over 60000 have died. I wonder why that doesnt get covered in the news? "
Blacks killing blacks: who cares, that's why. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"I also want to draw attention to what is happening to the christians living in nigeria over 60000 have died. I wonder why that doesnt get covered in the news?
Blacks killing blacks: who cares, that's why."
That is right and this radical muslim group that is called boko haram have been doing it since 2001, nigeria is divided as north and south where the christians is in the south, there are not many left. |
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"Can you stop terrorism?
Nope.
Because even if you take out the examples based on religion or political motivation you'll still have the 'state sponsored' variety where governments fund/supply/enable various groups to further their own aims.
Many of the world's terrorism problems have been created by the very countries they now affect. If governments didn't get involved in other countries affairs then modern terrorism wouldn't be quite the issue it is.
A"
Almost what I was about to say.
One way to stop terrorism, or to reduce it. Is to shut down govs. But then, people would be more afraid of a gov shutting down than terrorist attacks. |
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By *ay19720Man
over a year ago
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"I dont think you can totally stop it, but reduce the chances, there have been few attacks over the new year, in manchester and in germany.
Is introducing the military like they have in france a good option? When I was in paris train station you saw them walking openly with machine guns."
Lisbon treaty comes into affect in 2020/2022...any country in the eu..vitos its right to leave and its right to be called a nation. ...so England wont exist. ...how many people that stand up we be labeled ..a terrorist. ??
Lisbon treaty..Please look it up.. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"YES!! Call it something else! That is right."
What do you want to call terrorists instead.Freedom fighters. ..If so what freedom do the guys in NZ seek??? |
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"Will only stop if you ban religion.
We enforced Christianity upon the rest of the world using force and now it’s come back to bite us.
Christianity + democracy to be precise"
Democracy doesn’t exist in the U.K.
If it did we would be leaving the EU on 29th. |
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"Will only stop if you ban religion.
We enforced Christianity upon the rest of the world using force and now it’s come back to bite us.
Christianity + democracy to be precise
Democracy doesn’t exist in the U.K.
If it did we would be leaving the EU on 29th. "
Sorry, I should have made it clear that I wasn’t pointing my fingers at UK |
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By *ay19720Man
over a year ago
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"YES!! Call it something else! That is right.
What do you want to call terrorists instead.Freedom fighters. ..If so what freedom do the guys in NZ seek???"
Nz is a blanket so the news ain't about other things happening. .its sad ..but 50 people died in last two weeks in road accidents in uk . .not reported...and 17.4 got stabbed in the back |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"YES!! Call it something else! That is right.
What do you want to call terrorists instead.Freedom fighters. ..If so what freedom do the guys in NZ seek???"
Is that what you thought I meant? |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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No, this is why the government implemented prevent duty, and British values as a strategy to PREVENT radicalisation of vulnerable groups, ie children. Because they believe prevention is better than a cure. |
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By *ilth500Man
over a year ago
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"I dont think you can totally stop it, but reduce the chances, there have been few attacks over the new year, in manchester and in germany.
Is introducing the military like they have in france a good option? When I was in paris train station you saw them walking openly with machine guns."
theyv still have terrorist attacks there. did having British soldiers on the streets of Londonderry? Armagh etc stop or deter attacks then? |
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By *estivalMan
over a year ago
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no you cant stop it these days it seems to be fucking idiots in there own rather than working in groups so lot more harder to track like they did ten years ago.security services changed there tactics so sick fucks have changed theres.seems to be lone wolf attacks these days rather than cells |
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You can stop it with wars.
And building walls around countries.
And having bigots run your country so they promote hate for others.
Just giving any bigot a voice is enough to get rid of them tbh.
And i think this is why these things happen and are tolerated? |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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No you can't stop it. There will always be those willing to support and fund terrorism to achieve their ends and there will always be those willing to carry it out. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Not until politics, philosophy and society evolve a bit more will we find peace. Realise there's more than enough of everything to go round.
Sadly I think Aliens are more likely to arrive and be the uniting factor of humanity instead. To many stupid fundamentalists for it to happen any time soon. |
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By *itty9899Man
over a year ago
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"Not until politics, philosophy and society evolve a bit more will we find peace. Realise there's more than enough of everything to go round.
Sadly I think Aliens are more likely to arrive and be the uniting factor of humanity instead. To many stupid fundamentalists for it to happen any time soon."
I think a good Alien invasion who will end up in slaving us and reunite us in a worldwide fight back using terror, the only downside to that is that you know some lefty SJW SNOWFLAKE will start a #AlienMeToo movement and start protesting outside with equality for Alien banners. |
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