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"Natural..." Do you have some evidence for that theory? | |||
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"Natural..." evolution | |||
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"We're not helping!..and the sheer greed of the human race will ensure our own self destruction! "but that is evolution | |||
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"Natural... Do you have some evidence for that theory?" All the previous ice ages.. | |||
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"We're not helping!..and the sheer greed of the human race will ensure our own self destruction! but that is evolution "....yes evolution,but to the point where we just let the weak fend for themselves as we walk on by? | |||
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"We're not helping!..and the sheer greed of the human race will ensure our own self destruction! but that is evolution ....yes evolution,but to the point where we just let the weak fend for themselves as we walk on by?"And we help the weak .. They grow strong.. We become the weak.. They walk on bye.. | |||
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"We're not helping!..and the sheer greed of the human race will ensure our own self destruction! but that is evolution ....yes evolution,but to the point where we just let the weak fend for themselves as we walk on by?
And we help the weak ..
They grow strong..
We become the weak..
They walk on bye.. "Give me your tired and huddled masses and I'll piss on them...Great philosophy you've got their tom..  | |||
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" Give me your tired and huddled masses and I'll piss on them...Great philosophy you've got their tom.. "I have helped the weak.. Invited one into my home one Christmas and got repaid .. He shagged my ex wife... | |||
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"Mass deforestation to provide more grounds for breading livestock to be slaughtered and sold For human consumption " Actually soybeans are far worse than meat. We don't cut down the Amazon because it's a good place to raise cows. | |||
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"Mass deforestation to provide more grounds for breading livestock to be slaughtered and sold For human consumption Actually soybeans are far worse than meat. We don't cut down the Amazon because it's a good place to raise cows. "Ummm I think you’ll find that does happen | |||
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"Check out the Venus Project " Why? Is there nothing on the comedy channel at the moment | |||
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"Check out the Venus Project Why? Is there nothing on the comedy channel at the moment " No | |||
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"Will do, thanks" | |||
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"Natural..." So all the peer reviewed scientific days is wrong, and random people on Internet forums are right? Because that makes the most sense..... | |||
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"Natural... So all the peer reviewed scientific days is wrong, and random people on Internet forums are right? Because that makes the most sense..... "No. Because this is not the first global warming..dont let them brainwash you.. | |||
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"Wish it would hurry up and get here, freezing our arses off most of the year." So you want The Beast From The East Pt II  | |||
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"Natural... So all the peer reviewed scientific days is wrong, and random people on Internet forums are right? Because that makes the most sense.....
No. Because this is not the first global warming..dont let them brainwash you.. "We're speeding it up though mate. | |||
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"Natural... So all the peer reviewed scientific days is wrong, and random people on Internet forums are right? Because that makes the most sense.....
No. Because this is not the first global warming..dont let them brainwash you..
We're speeding it up though mate. "Maybe... And we are like any other species on earth .. Time limited | |||
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"Natural... So all the peer reviewed scientific days is wrong, and random people on Internet forums are right? Because that makes the most sense.....
No. Because this is not the first global warming..dont let them brainwash you..
We're speeding it up though mate.
Maybe... And we are like any other species on earth ..
Time limited "No! We are not like any other species on Earth, we have control, at the moment, and we as humanity should be doing our best to preserve it for future generations of not only us, but all wildlife as a whole. | |||
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" No! We are not like any other species on Earth, we have control, at the moment, and we as humanity should be doing our best to preserve it for future generations of not only us, but all wildlife as a whole." Or shore up and preserve what we need. Essential animals like beef and pork.. some fish..and prawn. I like prawn Lions and tigers are luxury items and only feed the tourist trade. | |||
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"Natural... So all the peer reviewed scientific days is wrong, and random people on Internet forums are right? Because that makes the most sense.....
No. Because this is not the first global warming..dont let them brainwash you..
We're speeding it up though mate.
Maybe... And we are like any other species on earth ..
Time limited
No! We are not like any other species on Earth, we have control, at the moment, and we as humanity should be doing our best to preserve it for future generations of not only us, but all wildlife as a whole."You can guarantee rhinos and tigers and other mega fauna will only be seen stuffed in museums by the end of the Century and future generations will think we were proper cunts to let them slip into extinction when we had a choice. | |||
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"I did it "for the farts.." #sorrynotsorry" I hope you pulled the cover over her head afterwards  | |||
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"Natural... So all the peer reviewed scientific days is wrong, and random people on Internet forums are right? Because that makes the most sense..... "Self licking lollipop. Group think reviewing themselves. | |||
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"I did it "for the farts.." #sorrynotsorry I hope you pulled the cover over her head afterwards "Tee hee! | |||
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"DNA will mean they can resurrect an extinct rhino.." Like in Jurassic park.. I see so let's not get overly concerned about killing them all because if anyone wants one again we will grow one for them.. | |||
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" No! We are not like any other species on Earth, we have control, at the moment, and we as humanity should be doing our best to preserve it for future generations of not only us, but all wildlife as a whole. Or shore up and preserve what we need. Essential animals like beef and pork.. some fish..and prawn. I like prawn Lions and tigers are luxury items and only feed the tourist trade. " Yes, every person needs to eat purely to survive, but why are we sending rockets into outer space to survey things when people here on our own planet are dying of starvation every day.... | |||
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" No! We are not like any other species on Earth, we have control, at the moment, and we as humanity should be doing our best to preserve it for future generations of not only us, but all wildlife as a whole. Or shore up and preserve what we need. Essential animals like beef and pork.. some fish..and prawn. I like prawn Lions and tigers are luxury items and only feed the tourist trade. Yes, every person needs to eat purely to survive, but why are we sending rockets into outer space to survey things when people here on our own planet are dying of starvation every day...." Who is this 'we' you speak of? Starvation is hardly a prevalent concern in the UK today! Do give me the bs about food banks either. | |||
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""We" is humankind in general, we seem to have done our best to destroy what is available to us rather than safeguard it. " Read some Noam Chomsky mate ....I agree with you btw | |||
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""We" is humankind in general, we seem to have done our best to destroy what is available to us rather than safeguard it. " Humankind? | |||
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""We" is humankind in general, we seem to have done our best to destroy what is available to us rather than safeguard it. Humankind?" Get yer Missus to buy you a Dictionary for Christmas  | |||
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""We" is humankind in general, we seem to have done our best to destroy what is available to us rather than safeguard it. Humankind? Get yer Missus to buy you a Dictionary for Christmas "Just enjoy what we have now... | |||
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""We" is humankind in general, we seem to have done our best to destroy what is available to us rather than safeguard it. Humankind? Get yer Missus to buy you a Dictionary for Christmas
Just enjoy what we have now...
"Here today gone tommorow. | |||
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"Live stock or soybeans, plants and trees convert sunlight into energy, absorb carbon dioxide and give of oxygen, no plant life, no human life, " Most of Earth's oxygen comes from tiny ocean plants called phytoplankton. | |||
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""We" is humankind in general, we seem to have done our best to destroy what is available to us rather than safeguard it. Humankind? Get yer Missus to buy you a Dictionary for Christmas
Just enjoy what we have now...
Here today gone tommorow. " | |||
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"Live stock or soybeans, plants and trees convert sunlight into energy, absorb carbon dioxide and give of oxygen, no plant life, no human life, Most of Earth's oxygen comes from tiny ocean plants called phytoplankton." Seen a thing today on what would the earth be like now if we never decimated the whale population ....check it out. | |||
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"We're not helping!..and the sheer greed of the human race will ensure our own self destruction! but that is evolution ....yes evolution,but to the point where we just let the weak fend for themselves as we walk on by?"evolution is about the life process, natural disasters and phenomena, over populating, over cultivating etc evolution will be man contributes little to it | |||
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"DNA will mean they can resurrect an extinct rhino.." Doesn't that statement contradict your suggestion that peer reviewed science is wrong? Well done on agreeing scientists were right about man-made accelerated climate change. | |||
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" No! We are not like any other species on Earth, we have control, at the moment, and we as humanity should be doing our best to preserve it for future generations of not only us, but all wildlife as a whole. Or shore up and preserve what we need. Essential animals like beef and pork.. some fish..and prawn. I like prawn Lions and tigers are luxury items and only feed the tourist trade. " This , ladies and gentleman is a proud example of the education system, well done Hahahaha  | |||
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" No! We are not like any other species on Earth, we have control, at the moment, and we as humanity should be doing our best to preserve it for future generations of not only us, but all wildlife as a whole. Or shore up and preserve what we need. Essential animals like beef and pork.. some fish..and prawn. I like prawn Lions and tigers are luxury items and only feed the tourist trade. This , ladies and gentleman is a proud example of the education system, well done Hahahaha "Education has taught us to question.. . | |||
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" No! We are not like any other species on Earth, we have control, at the moment, and we as humanity should be doing our best to preserve it for future generations of not only us, but all wildlife as a whole. Or shore up and preserve what we need. Essential animals like beef and pork.. some fish..and prawn. I like prawn Lions and tigers are luxury items and only feed the tourist trade. This , ladies and gentleman is a proud example of the education system, well done Hahahaha
Education has taught us to question..
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"Natural... So all the peer reviewed scientific days is wrong, and random people on Internet forums are right? Because that makes the most sense.....
No. Because this is not the first global warming..dont let them brainwash you.. "Oh. OK. So if I say I believe the overwhelming scientific consensus based on virtually all available peer reviewed scientific data.... The explanation that makes most sense to you is that I have been brainwashed? | |||
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"Natural... So all the peer reviewed scientific days is wrong, and random people on Internet forums are right? Because that makes the most sense.....
No. Because this is not the first global warming..dont let them brainwash you..
Oh. OK.
So if I say I believe the overwhelming scientific consensus based on virtually all available peer reviewed scientific data....
The explanation that makes most sense to you is that I have been brainwashed? "Yes but it's not your fault | |||
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"Climate change seems very similar to religion - thousands of expert say something exists, millions of people believe it and millions of people don't give a shit." Sure. If you ignore the fact that one is backed up by a ton of science, and one isn’t. | |||
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"Natural... So all the peer reviewed scientific days is wrong, and random people on Internet forums are right? Because that makes the most sense.....
No. Because this is not the first global warming..dont let them brainwash you..
Oh. OK.
So if I say I believe the overwhelming scientific consensus based on virtually all available peer reviewed scientific data....
The explanation that makes most sense to you is that I have been brainwashed?
Yes but it's not your fault"Blimey. I feel a bit foolish now for being so weak minded. So let me get this straight - all the science is part of what? Some massive global conspiracy? To make us recycle stuff, use reusable coffee cups, and switch off our TVs at night? Because that makes sense.... | |||
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""We" is humankind in general, we seem to have done our best to destroy what is available to us rather than safeguard it. " Well when it comes to environmental policy then I agree with a 'we' policy. But hunger and space exploration are national issues. North Korea does indeed divert money that could buy food, into rocket programmes. That's not a process I feel I have much part in. | |||
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" Companies use science to convince the masses .. Don't let them suck you in. " Exactly... science.... whereas Facebook conspiracy theorists in the mums basement are the ones we need to trust, I’m with you haha | |||
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" Companies use science to convince the masses .. Don't let them suck you in. Exactly... science.... whereas Facebook conspiracy theorists in the mums basement are the ones we need to trust, I’m with you haha " Join the club.... | |||
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"Natural..." Science doesn't give a shit what you think https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/environment/2018/oct/08/global-warming-must-not-exceed-15c-warns-landmark-un-report | |||
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"Natural... Science doesn't give a shit what you think https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/environment/2018/oct/08/global-warming-must-not-exceed-15c-warns-landmark-un-report" And neither does the business or people | |||
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"And back to the original point... The climate has never stood still and man will never control.it despite the mad scientist claims" Yep , totally agree with you . Of course it’s natural . When the world wasn’t inhabited by humans there was cataclysmic climate change . The world was covered in ice and it warmed up . Totally natural unless there were ancient beings with fridges ( unnecessary then but who knows ) and dinosaur farts emitted massive co2 to mess up the atmosphere . It’s a big con and the mugs are the ones sucked in by it . | |||
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" Companies use science to convince the masses .. Don't let them suck you in. " So companies want us to use stuff for longer, and recycle and reuse stuff.... Rather than go our and buy or use more of their stuff? Got it! | |||
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"And back to the original point... The climate has never stood still and man will never control.it despite the mad scientist claims Yep , totally agree with you . Of course it’s natural . When the world wasn’t inhabited by humans there was cataclysmic climate change . The world was covered in ice and it warmed up . Totally natural unless there were ancient beings with fridges ( unnecessary then but who knows ) and dinosaur farts emitted massive co2 to mess up the atmosphere . It’s a big con and the mugs are the ones sucked in by it ." Ah, sinis this period of warming exactly the same as other periods of warming? Or is it different? If it’s the same, what’s your source? If it’s different, what are the differences? | |||
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"Natural... So all the peer reviewed scientific days is wrong, and random people on Internet forums are right? Because that makes the most sense.....
Self licking lollipop. Group think reviewing themselves."This. Group think is absolutely rife, with the power ending up with those who take one side, with the others being frozen out. The meeting in 1989 led by Steven E Jones in which it was decided cold fusion wasn't feasible was essentially decided by a show of hands, and I agree that the way it was carried out was a great example of group think/popularity winning the day. Scientific consensus often doesn't appear to be much more than just politics in the scientific community. And they tend to get led by the money far more than I feel comfortable with. And when a consensus leans one way, the system is then biased heavily against anyone who differs, often getting shut down before they start. Everyone has to toe the line. Science (in general) often isn't as scientific as it's cracked up to be. | |||
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"It's all a conspiracy by western governments to stall the industrialisation of developing economies such as India, China and the African nations. We can't let them become "world players" now can we......" China will over take the US economy in less than 15 years. China is the world leader in renewables and solar power farms.Its a boom industry for China. | |||
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"It's all a conspiracy by western governments to stall the industrialisation of developing economies such as India, China and the African nations. We can't let them become "world players" now can we...... China will over take the US economy in less than 15 years. China is the world leader in renewables and solar power farms.Its a boom industry for China. " So they're too late to stop China. Or China is driving the industry... | |||
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"It's all a conspiracy by western governments to stall the industrialisation of developing economies such as India, China and the African nations. We can't let them become "world players" now can we...... China will over take the US economy in less than 15 years. China is the world leader in renewables and solar power farms.Its a boom industry for China. So they're too late to stop China. Or China is driving the industry... " There is no conspiracy.Solar farms make economic sense compared to fossil fuels and countries like India and China are investing heavily. | |||
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"As I said earlier, until we stop digging up carbon and burning it, which a lot of the "First World" countries have been doing for many years, then it will come back to haunt us. We now have the technology to provide alternative power for every person on the planet, but we choose to put our resources elsewhere. It's a sad indictment of modern humanity ". I work in the sector, we don't, were not even close, the bit we do helps though and given time we'll get somewhere close but until somebody gets cold fusion up and running which is an engineering problem not a technical one we're never getting off hydro carbons, let alone nuclear, or wind turbine or pv. All of which I hate to point out will have a c02 output still. | |||
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"How much c02 do we need to cut and in what time scale to save us from this catastrophe?. Nobody gave me an answer on the last thread" We can't be saved | |||
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"How much c02 do we need to cut and in what time scale to save us from this catastrophe?. Nobody gave me an answer on the last thread We can't be saved" . I'll reserve my opinion until one of these climate worriers get back to me on the specifics, last time I asked for specifics somebody just rattled on about throwing somebody off a roof | |||
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"How much c02 do we need to cut and in what time scale to save us from this catastrophe?. Nobody gave me an answer on the last thread We can't be saved. I'll reserve my opinion until one of these climate worriers get back to me on the specifics, last time I asked for specifics somebody just rattled on about throwing somebody off a roof "Reducing CO2 won't stop climate change, only a matter of time until it changes to the extent that the planet will be inhabitable. Catastrophe is inevitable | |||
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"How much c02 do we need to cut and in what time scale to save us from this catastrophe?. Nobody gave me an answer on the last thread We can't be saved. I'll reserve my opinion until one of these climate worriers get back to me on the specifics, last time I asked for specifics somebody just rattled on about throwing somebody off a roof
Reducing CO2 won't stop climate change, only a matter of time until it changes to the extent that the planet will be inhabitable. Catastrophe is inevitable ". Yes I know that, I think there taking on a near term timetable ie 50-100+ years. Frankly I haven't got 50 years left in me so it worries me naught  | |||
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"How much c02 do we need to cut and in what time scale to save us from this catastrophe?. Nobody gave me an answer on the last thread We can't be saved. I'll reserve my opinion until one of these climate worriers get back to me on the specifics, last time I asked for specifics somebody just rattled on about throwing somebody off a roof
Reducing CO2 won't stop climate change, only a matter of time until it changes to the extent that the planet will be inhabitable. Catastrophe is inevitable .
Yes I know that, I think there taking on a near term timetable ie 50-100+ years.
Frankly I haven't got 50 years left in me so it worries me naught "Sucks the dinosaurs got longer | |||
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"How much c02 do we need to cut and in what time scale to save us from this catastrophe?. Nobody gave me an answer on the last thread We can't be saved. I'll reserve my opinion until one of these climate worriers get back to me on the specifics, last time I asked for specifics somebody just rattled on about throwing somebody off a roof
Reducing CO2 won't stop climate change, only a matter of time until it changes to the extent that the planet will be inhabitable. Catastrophe is inevitable .
Yes I know that, I think there taking on a near term timetable ie 50-100+ years.
Frankly I haven't got 50 years left in me so it worries me naught
Sucks the dinosaurs got longer ". Yes I guess they did!. If only there'd spent there 200 million years doing something useful like building an anti meteor defense system there'd still be here today. | |||
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"Do you think someone could ask people to stop burning rainforests for palm oil and farmland?" . Would that cure the problem? | |||
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"Do you think someone could ask people to stop burning rainforests for palm oil and farmland?" No everyone loves Nutella and orangutans went down an evolutionary cul de sac . | |||
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"How much c02 do we need to cut and in what time scale to save us from this catastrophe?. Nobody gave me an answer on the last thread We can't be saved. I'll reserve my opinion until one of these climate worriers get back to me on the specifics, last time I asked for specifics somebody just rattled on about throwing somebody off a roof "My bad, I credited you with the ability to follow a simple enough analogy. Let me know which bit you didn’t follow and I’ll do my best to explain it more clearly. | |||
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"And back to the original point... The climate has never stood still and man will never control.it despite the mad scientist claims" Back to my original reply. You'd allow a scientist to resurrect a rhino from DNA so therefore trust science. Therefore you trust scientists to tell you their research is correct, and you support the claim man-made acceleration of climate change. You keep asking for specifics? Where is the 'resurrect rhinos from DNA' specific, OP? Don't have it? Then you support man-made acceleration of climate change, simples. | |||
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"How much c02 do we need to cut and in what time scale to save us from this catastrophe?. Nobody gave me an answer on the last thread We can't be saved. I'll reserve my opinion until one of these climate worriers get back to me on the specifics, last time I asked for specifics somebody just rattled on about throwing somebody off a roof
My bad, I credited you with the ability to follow a simple enough analogy.
Let me know which bit you didn’t follow and I’ll do my best to explain it more clearly. ". No I just wanted specifics to the problem YOUR telling people about?. So I'll ask you again (even though I've asked you and others many times already). What do we need to do to solve this problem? | |||
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"How much c02 do we need to cut and in what time scale to save us from this catastrophe?. Nobody gave me an answer on the last thread We can't be saved. I'll reserve my opinion until one of these climate worriers get back to me on the specifics, last time I asked for specifics somebody just rattled on about throwing somebody off a roof
My bad, I credited you with the ability to follow a simple enough analogy.
Let me know which bit you didn’t follow and I’ll do my best to explain it more clearly. .
No I just wanted specifics to the problem YOUR telling people about?.
So I'll ask you again (even though I've asked you and others many times already).
What do we need to do to solve this problem?
"I've told you before, you need to become vegan, don't have any more children and constantly remind your neighbours that you drive an electric car because "you wanted to be part of the solution and not part of the problem". | |||
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"How much c02 do we need to cut and in what time scale to save us from this catastrophe?. Nobody gave me an answer on the last thread" Seeing as you are too lazy to read the links I post; Carbon pollution has to be reduced by 45% by 2030. How? Well if you really don't know Stop deforestation Greater use of renewable energy Reduce fossil fuel extraction inc. fracking Reduce fossil fuel consumption - tighter industry regs Use car less - more hybrid/electric use Less children Reduce nimal products in diet/go vegan Increase carbon capture and storage Stop buying useless shot Reuse, recycle etc | |||
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"How much c02 do we need to cut and in what time scale to save us from this catastrophe?. Nobody gave me an answer on the last thread Seeing as you are too lazy to read the links I post; Carbon pollution has to be reduced by 45% by 2030. How? Well if you really don't know Stop deforestation Greater use of renewable energy Reduce fossil fuel extraction inc. fracking Reduce fossil fuel consumption - tighter industry regs Use car less - more hybrid/electric use Less children Reduce nimal products in diet/go vegan Increase carbon capture and storage Stop buying useless shot Reuse, recycle etc " My personal opinion: Stop deforestation - good idea Greater use of renewable energy - good long term idea Reduce fossil fuel extraction inc. fracking - undecided Reduce fossil fuel consumption - tighter industry regs - good long term idea Use car less - more hybrid/electric use - good long term idea Less children - nope Reduce nimal products in diet/go vegan - nope Increase carbon capture and storage - good idea Stop buying useless shot - good idea Reuse, recycle etc - good idea Not bad for a frothing-at-the-mouth neo-con | |||
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"Common sense really. "If I kill two vegans, does that mean i can have an extra child? | |||
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"How much c02 do we need to cut and in what time scale to save us from this catastrophe?. Nobody gave me an answer on the last thread Seeing as you are too lazy to read the links I post; Carbon pollution has to be reduced by 45% by 2030. How? Well if you really don't know Stop deforestation Greater use of renewable energy Reduce fossil fuel extraction inc. fracking Reduce fossil fuel consumption - tighter industry regs Use car less - more hybrid/electric use Less children Reduce nimal products in diet/go vegan Increase carbon capture and storage Stop buying useless shot Reuse, recycle etc " It’s got nothing to do with being too lazy to read the links you post . It’s because some of us don’t give a fuck about bullshit , scientific bullshit at that . Science does a great job of proving what it wants us to believe . It’s certainly works as one can clearly see in threads like this . And before anyone asks me for evidence or facts that back up my statement , I can’t be arsed to final any . Because no scientists have been been paid to come up with scientific evidence to prove me right . But that doesn’t mean I’m not | |||
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" So scientists tell you there's a comet coming, and you'll rush out to see it at night. But they tell you that global warming is real and man made, but that's inconvenient for me so it's a lie? Doh! "Astronomy and climatology are two very different branches of science | |||
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" So scientists tell you there's a comet coming, and you'll rush out to see it at night. But they tell you that global warming is real and man made, but that's inconvenient for me so it's a lie? Doh!
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" So scientists tell you there's a comet coming, and you'll rush out to see it at night. But they tell you that global warming is real and man made, but that's inconvenient for me so it's a lie? Doh! "Nope, they are not wrong that climate change is happening. It's no longer called global warming by the way. And they are not wrong in saying that any pollution we create will affect that change. But that is not saying that we can stop it by changing our habits. Pollution per person is massively down on 60+ years ago, but persons are up, the air is still cleaner in many parts of the world but climate is still changing. Nobody is actually finding an answer mostly because nobody is really looking. | |||
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"How much c02 do we need to cut and in what time scale to save us from this catastrophe?. Nobody gave me an answer on the last thread Seeing as you are too lazy to read the links I post; Carbon pollution has to be reduced by 45% by 2030. " . I haven't read anything you've posted I'll be honest but I'm going to ask you for specifics again, reducing c02 by 45% in 11 years will save us from this climate disaster will it?. Is that a global reduction in c02 of 45% or just a UK one?. | |||
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" So scientists tell you there's a comet coming, and you'll rush out to see it at night. But they tell you that global warming is real and man made, but that's inconvenient for me so it's a lie? Doh!
Astronomy and climatology are two very different branches of science
And your point? "I think the problem is that many people seem to like yo choose which science they accept. The other problem is that science evolves...in many cases there might not be a definitive answer or that answer will change as we know more. Unlike religion ... scientists revise their theories as new information or evidence comes to light. As to the original question. Climate changes are part of a natural cycle BUT I am satisfied that the current situation gas been greatly worsened by human actions. Nita | |||
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"How much c02 do we need to cut and in what time scale to save us from this catastrophe?. Nobody gave me an answer on the last thread We can't be saved. I'll reserve my opinion until one of these climate worriers get back to me on the specifics, last time I asked for specifics somebody just rattled on about throwing somebody off a roof
My bad, I credited you with the ability to follow a simple enough analogy.
Let me know which bit you didn’t follow and I’ll do my best to explain it more clearly. .
No I just wanted specifics to the problem YOUR telling people about?.
So I'll ask you again (even though I've asked you and others many times already).
What do we need to do to solve this problem?
I've told you before, you need to become vegan, don't have any more children and constantly remind your neighbours that you drive an electric car because "you wanted to be part of the solution and not part of the problem". ". I don't have any children and at my age I doubt I ever will, there is zero chance of me becoming vegan along with about 90% of the rest of the world but yes I do have an electric car, alas I also have a petrol car for those longer distance commutes. | |||
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"So what is your logic here? If scientists have funding from someone, the data / evidence is automatically false?
Not so much false, just that if you want to research a topic that goes against the establishment perception, you won't get funding so the research doesn't get done.
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"So what is your logic here? If scientists have funding from someone, the data / evidence is automatically false?
Not so much false, just that if you want to research a topic that goes against the establishment perception, you won't get funding so the research doesn't get done.
So what about the small sectors of science that shows global warming was always going to be inevitable, should we trust them?"We are currently leaving the current ice age. For 85% of the time this planet has existed there has been no ice at the north or south poles. Therefore we are currently and have always lived in an ice age. That bit is natural, we are allegedly speeding it up, so I and I suspect many of you have switched to low energy light bulbs to save electricity, while some idiot decided we should use that spare electricity to power cars, thereby nullifying 10 years of reducing electricity demand. | |||
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"So in the interests of research seen as none of the leftist could be arsed giving me specifics, a quick Google, well that just gives various media headlines the older headlines read something along the lines of 40% reductions by 2070 followed by newer ones of 70% reductions by 2040 followed by very recent ones of zero yes zero emissions by 2030. Oh it's all getting a bit tedious now. So I googled the Paris agreement, not much there except some promises to stop temperature going above 1.5 degrees but no actual science on how to achieve that. So then I googled again and it turns out the official scientific guidance is... Wait for it net zero by 2050!! Are these people even living in the real world?. That's just not even remotely possible. No wonder nobody wanted to give me specifics" In the interests of fairness, there are other benefits to parts of the agenda. For example, the quality of our air is fucking awful in pretty much every city in the UK. Neither of us would choose to buy a house that was built on our near landfill so more recycling is pretty good. I believe the omega 3 content of salmon is about half what it used to be, I don't know that cutting plastic out the ocean would directly solve that, but i know that fish and plastic don't mix. Broadly speaking, our economy meets our basic needs before 2pm so a few jobs for the boys in some nice tech industries to improve batteries and shit like that wouldn't hurt the old GDP. Other than going vegan and not having kids, most their suggestions were pretty good things to do anyway. | |||
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"But zero by 2050 will not stop climate change, even if it was achieved.. No that's right, it just slows it to it's natural rate, what a crock of utter leftist bullshit "What is the natural rate? Every vodka drinker knows the last 10% of an ice cube melts a lot quicker than the first 10% | |||
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"But zero by 2050 will not stop climate change, even if it was achieved.. No that's right, it just slows it to it's natural rate, what a crock of utter leftist bullshit
What is the natural rate? Every vodka drinker knows the last 10% of an ice cube melts a lot quicker than the first 10% ". I wouldn't know, I'm a whisky drinker
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"How much c02 do we need to cut and in what time scale to save us from this catastrophe?. Nobody gave me an answer on the last thread Seeing as you are too lazy to read the links I post; Carbon pollution has to be reduced by 45% by 2030. . I haven't read anything you've posted I'll be honest but I'm going to ask you for specifics again, reducing c02 by 45% in 11 years will save us from this climate disaster will it?. Is that a global reduction in c02 of 45% or just a UK one?." Globally. And your reply is going to be depressingly ptedictable | |||
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"How much c02 do we need to cut and in what time scale to save us from this catastrophe?. Nobody gave me an answer on the last thread Seeing as you are too lazy to read the links I post; Carbon pollution has to be reduced by 45% by 2030. . I haven't read anything you've posted I'll be honest but I'm going to ask you for specifics again, reducing c02 by 45% in 11 years will save us from this climate disaster will it?. Is that a global reduction in c02 of 45% or just a UK one?. Globally. And your reply is going to be depressingly ptedictable" . Oh no I've already looked it up myself thanks. It's zero emissions within 31 years 80% within 16 years. Good luck and bon voyage | |||
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"So in the interests of research seen as none of the leftist could be arsed giving me specifics, a quick Google, well that just gives various media headlines the older headlines read something along the lines of 40% reductions by 2070 followed by newer ones of 70% reductions by 2040 followed by very recent ones of zero yes zero emissions by 2030. Oh it's all getting a bit tedious now. So I googled the Paris agreement, not much there except some promises to stop temperature going above 1.5 degrees but no actual science on how to achieve that. So then I googled again and it turns out the official scientific guidance is... Wait for it net zero by 2050!! Are these people even living in the real world?. That's just not even remotely possible. No wonder nobody wanted to give me specifics" Do you not read anything I posted directly aimed at you? | |||
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" What is the natural rate? Every vodka drinker knows the last 10% of an ice cube melts a lot quicker than the first 10% " Exactly this.. of course the ice is melting faster...there is bugger all left... | |||
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"So in the interests of research seen as none of the leftist could be arsed giving me specifics, a quick Google, well that just gives various media headlines the older headlines read something along the lines of 40% reductions by 2070 followed by newer ones of 70% reductions by 2040 followed by very recent ones of zero yes zero emissions by 2030. Oh it's all getting a bit tedious now. So I googled the Paris agreement, not much there except some promises to stop temperature going above 1.5 degrees but no actual science on how to achieve that. So then I googled again and it turns out the official scientific guidance is... Wait for it net zero by 2050!! Are these people even living in the real world?. That's just not even remotely possible. No wonder nobody wanted to give me specifics Do you not read anything I posted directly aimed at you?" . Oh and by the way you only posted once directly at me and it was this. Seeing as you are too lazy to read the links I post; Carbon pollution has to be reduced by 45% by 2030. How? Well if you really don't know Stop deforestation Greater use of renewable energy Reduce fossil fuel extraction inc. fracking Reduce fossil fuel consumption - tighter industry regs Use car less - more hybrid/electric use Less children Reduce nimal products in diet/go vegan Increase carbon capture and storage Stop buying useless shot Reuse, recycle etc. All about as specific and useless as if expect from an over emotional leftist without a clue what he's talking about. | |||
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"All about as specific and useless as if expect from an over emotional leftist without a clue what he's talking about. " Why is it leftist? It's the right wing that is making all the empty gestures, smart meters, reduced vacuum wattage, reduction on internal combustion engines etc. Not that these things are bad, just unquantified and potentially pointless. | |||
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"This thread will close soon as it will get too big and on balance most agree,even the scientists, that climate change is a natural cycle.. Maybe it's because the sun gets hotter and cooler.. " Well yes it does that regularly, but that isn't it, the warmth of the sun is not convection, it's infrared energy interacting with the planets atmosphere. The cycle is a long game probably played out through the universe. You probably don't want to be here in the coming Oxygen rich years, think 12' cockroaches etc. | |||
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"All about as specific and useless as if expect from an over emotional leftist without a clue what he's talking about. Why is it leftist? It's the right wing that is making all the empty gestures, smart meters, reduced vacuum wattage, reduction on internal combustion engines etc. Not that these things are bad, just unquantified and potentially pointless." . Because there's an entire leftist agenda behind climate change, it's got nothing to do with the science and everything to do with utopia,I mean we've just done the numbers its utterly pointless, even if everything they say is correct, we're never going to achieve anything close to the solution, problems that don't have Solutions but require you to think of the world differently are the calling card of the leftists, it's about changing mind sets because the reality is they don't want you to stop driving or flying or buying stuff, that's crazy talk, what they want is you to feel bad about doing all that stuff, people that feel bad about themselves tend to turn to the dark side (leftism) for redemption, it's a trick they learnt from religion, and one of the reasons why nearly all leftists are atheists, meet the new God, same as the old God. | |||
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"All about as specific and useless as if expect from an over emotional leftist without a clue what he's talking about. Why is it leftist? It's the right wing that is making all the empty gestures, smart meters, reduced vacuum wattage, reduction on internal combustion engines etc. Not that these things are bad, just unquantified and potentially pointless.. Because there's an entire leftist agenda behind climate change, it's got nothing to do with the science and everything to do with utopia,I mean we've just done the numbers its utterly pointless, even if everything they say is correct, we're never going to achieve anything close to the solution, problems that don't have Solutions but require you to think of the world differently are the calling card of the leftists, it's about changing mind sets because the reality is they don't want you to stop driving or flying or buying stuff, that's crazy talk, what they want is you to feel bad about doing all that stuff, people that feel bad about themselves tend to turn to the dark side (leftism) for redemption, it's a trick they learnt from religion, and one of the reasons why nearly all leftists are atheists, meet the new God, same as the old God. "That's just daft... right wing politics brings in all the pointless legislation, Right wing USA created the 2008 financial crash, yet you claim that it's left wing politics that should be blamed because they are not God botherers | |||
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"All about as specific and useless as if expect from an over emotional leftist without a clue what he's talking about. Why is it leftist? It's the right wing that is making all the empty gestures, smart meters, reduced vacuum wattage, reduction on internal combustion engines etc. Not that these things are bad, just unquantified and potentially pointless.. Because there's an entire leftist agenda behind climate change, it's got nothing to do with the science and everything to do with utopia,I mean we've just done the numbers its utterly pointless, even if everything they say is correct, we're never going to achieve anything close to the solution, problems that don't have Solutions but require you to think of the world differently are the calling card of the leftists, it's about changing mind sets because the reality is they don't want you to stop driving or flying or buying stuff, that's crazy talk, what they want is you to feel bad about doing all that stuff, people that feel bad about themselves tend to turn to the dark side (leftism) for redemption, it's a trick they learnt from religion, and one of the reasons why nearly all leftists are atheists, meet the new God, same as the old God.
That's just daft... right wing politics brings in all the pointless legislation, Right wing USA created the 2008 financial crash, yet you claim that it's left wing politics that should be blamed because they are not God botherers ". The devil tricks you easily friend. I think you'll find that was bill Clinton | |||
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" That's just daft... right wing politics brings in all the pointless legislation, Right wing USA created the 2008 financial crash, yet you claim that it's left wing politics that should be blamed because they are not God botherers "Pure delusion. I appreciate the left have no regard for the truth and rewriting history is a prerequisite to making left wing beliefs seem tolerable. But that is the biggest whopper I've read in 2018. | |||
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" That's just daft... right wing politics brings in all the pointless legislation, Right wing USA created the 2008 financial crash, yet you claim that it's left wing politics that should be blamed because they are not God botherers
Pure delusion. I appreciate the left have no regard for the truth and rewriting history is a prerequisite to making left wing beliefs seem tolerable. But that is the biggest whopper I've read in 2018. ". Exactly, the credit modernization act. Credit default swaps were immune to regulation, it's what the entire banking crises was caused by, add to that he also passed legislation that forced banks to lend mortgages to people who couldn't afford them. | |||
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"I said same thing earlier in a similar post. Climate change has been happening throughout earths history. As a species we have been here only a blink of a eye. " We have been here but the blink of an eye but we have negatively impacted the biosphere a hell of a lot in that short time. | |||
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" That's just daft... right wing politics brings in all the pointless legislation, Right wing USA created the 2008 financial crash, yet you claim that it's left wing politics that should be blamed because they are not God botherers
Pure delusion. I appreciate the left have no regard for the truth and rewriting history is a prerequisite to making left wing beliefs seem tolerable. But that is the biggest whopper I've read in 2018. "Bush was running the USA when toxic debt caused a banking collapse. I have no idea what proportion of left or right wing politicians are religious, but suspect it's proportionately similar. Climate change has been happening for centuries, it and reactions to it are neither left or right wing. Pretty sure the % balance between oxygen and carbon dioxide isn't claiming any political doctrain either. | |||
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"Mass deforestation to provide more grounds for breading livestock to be slaughtered and sold For human consumption Actually soybeans are far worse than meat. We don't cut down the Amazon because it's a good place to raise cows. "I believe most of the Soy and similar crops are grown to fed to the cattle. Even though there is plenty of areas of grassland that cattle could graze. It's more profitable to fed them Soy. | |||
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" That's just daft... right wing politics brings in all the pointless legislation, Right wing USA created the 2008 financial crash, yet you claim that it's left wing politics that should be blamed because they are not God botherers
Pure delusion. I appreciate the left have no regard for the truth and rewriting history is a prerequisite to making left wing beliefs seem tolerable. But that is the biggest whopper I've read in 2018.
Bush was running the USA when toxic debt caused a banking collapse. I have no idea what proportion of left or right wing politicians are religious, but suspect it's proportionately similar. Climate change has been happening for centuries, it and reactions to it are neither left or right wing.
Pretty sure the % balance between oxygen and carbon dioxide isn't claiming any political doctrain either. "That's your evidence! Bush was in charge!! Go read the financial services modernization act, educate yourself on credit default swaps and why CDOs were invented in the first place. It's almost impossible to be a demoract and a Christian and the last leader of the lib dems basically had to quit because of thought crimes against political correctness. You'd be hard pressed to find someone on the Labour front bench that isn't divorced. There are very few religious people on the left for some fairly fundamental reasons. Hence they create their own religions like veganism. | |||
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"I said same thing earlier in a similar post. Climate change has been happening throughout earths history. As a species we have been here only a blink of a eye. We have been here but the blink of an eye but we have negatively impacted the biosphere a hell of a lot in that short time." We did a bit, but I think you are being a bit disingenuous to lichens. Without them there would be no soil, no plant's little oxygen, so basically no biosphere for us to play with. Credit where it's due and all that  | |||
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"How much c02 do we need to cut and in what time scale to save us from this catastrophe?. Nobody gave me an answer on the last thread We can't be saved. I'll reserve my opinion until one of these climate worriers get back to me on the specifics, last time I asked for specifics somebody just rattled on about throwing somebody off a roof
Reducing CO2 won't stop climate change, only a matter of time until it changes to the extent that the planet will be inhabitable. Catastrophe is inevitable "I went to the Maldives on honeymoon 10 years ago because they would be underwater in 10 years. Funny that not a single inhabited island has changed a jot isn't it. | |||
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" I went to the Maldives on honeymoon 10 years ago because they would be underwater in 10 years. Funny that not a single inhabited island has changed a jot isn't it. " That's an inconvenient truth for the consensus. Lots of marketing opportunities in this science lark... Hope you enjoyed your hol | |||
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"I do love how this degenerated into politics, nothing to do with science or physics just left or right wing politics. Interesting that Vegans have been put up as the latest group to disapprove of, the right always has to have a group to blame, be that those bloody immigrants who didn't get here until 1067 or later, bloody left wing workers who don't want to work in dangerous places without safety gear, bloody women who want equal pay, bloody single parent families, or bloody vegans (can you use bloody and vegan together?) Bottom line is it's happening, CO2 is going to rise, ice will melt giving perfect conditions for Convolvulus to take over the planet, which will consume massive quantities of CO2 and make an oxygen rich environment which will knock back the fast growing and give way to trees and air breathing animals. Wonder if it will be bloody socialist plants that gets the blame for that
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"Natural... So all the peer reviewed scientific days is wrong, and random people on Internet forums are right? Because that makes the most sense.....
No. Because this is not the first global warming..dont let them brainwash you..
Oh. OK.
So if I say I believe the overwhelming scientific consensus based on virtually all available peer reviewed scientific data....
The explanation that makes most sense to you is that I have been brainwashed? "Let's put the peer review process etc to one side for a second. If people are brainwashing you, to what end? I mean, I can understand why the petrochemical industry might want you to ignore the evidence, but why would environmentalists wish you to do so? Is there big money in recycling stuff and renewable energy? | |||
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"So what is your logic here? If scientists have funding from someone, the data / evidence is automatically false?
Not so much false, just that if you want to research a topic that goes against the establishment perception, you won't get funding so the research doesn't get done.
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"So what is your logic here? If scientists have funding from someone, the data / evidence is automatically false?
Not so much false, just that if you want to research a topic that goes against the establishment perception, you won't get funding so the research doesn't get done.
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