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Emile Ratelband is trying to legally change his age from 69 to 49, should he be allowed to?
He says that doctors have confirmed his body and organs are more typical of a man in his 40's and says he is discriminated against because of his age. |
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By *r.BlondeMan
over a year ago
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"Emile Ratelband is trying to legally change his age from 69 to 49, should he be allowed to?
He says that doctors have confirmed his body and organs are more typical of a man in his 40's and says he is discriminated against because of his age. "
Saw it on YouTube the "I think therefore I am" sets a bad precedent. He used the transgender comparison example aswell. |
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By *emini ManMan
over a year ago
There and to the left a bit |
Heard this on the radio the other day and thought it was totally ridiculous - if you've lived 69 years, you've lived 69 years plain and simple.
Just because You've taken care of your body and it's in better working order than others of the same age, or younger, doesn't alter the fact you've still lived in it for that length of time.
He'd be better challenging those that are allegedly discriminating against him  |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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No, where will it end?
Should a child of 12 be allowed to demandil to be "aged" at 18 because they've developed quicker than normal thus allowing them in pubs and be able to get married etc?
Absolutely ridiculous!  |
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"No, where will it end?
Should a child of 12 be allowed to demandil to be "aged" at 18 because they've developed quicker than normal thus allowing them in pubs and be able to get married etc?
Absolutely ridiculous! "
What you said is already happening. Just go to any cosplay convention and you will see plenty of under 16s passing themselves off as being over 18 and engaging in horseplay or interacting with adults in a manner that would make anyone worried about safeguarding or potential grooming nightmares. Simply because they think they can play at adult games thanks to being physically looking like one. |
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"Heard this on the radio the other day and thought it was totally ridiculous - if you've lived 69 years, you've lived 69 years plain and simple.
Just because You've taken care of your body and it's in better working order than others of the same age, or younger, doesn't alter the fact you've still lived in it for that length of time.
He'd be better challenging those that are allegedly discriminating against him "
He's not disputing his biological age. He's saying he wants a different legal age because his biology doesn't match the typical standard of what people reasonably expect from that age. Maybe he's a Fab user and is pissed off with age filters... |
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"Emile Ratelband is trying to legally change his age from 69 to 49, should he be allowed to?
He says that doctors have confirmed his body and organs are more typical of a man in his 40's and says he is discriminated against because of his age. "
Let him. See if he feels the same when he can't retire till he's 85 x |
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"I posted about this the other day, as I said then... I’m all for it and I’m going to identify as 20 yrs older... pension please!!"
Oh what was the thread called? I think I was on the naughty step when the news broke |
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Thing is the guy has got a point. What he's doing in terms of procedure and even having medical backup for his case is no different from what trans people do and demand acceptance from society over. Why one set of rules for them and another set for us?
I won't say he has an anti trans agenda or he's trying to be cheeky about anything, but his case illustrates the slippery slope that self determination of identity in society beyond obvious incontrovertible biological facts presents. Like what another commenter said, where does this end then if everyone in society goes "I think therefore I am and if you don't recognise or agree with me you're discriminating against me"? Especially nowadays when people are so absolutely flippant with their gender and personal identities as if they were clothing that could be changed from day to day. |
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"Emile Ratelband is trying to legally change his age from 69 to 49, should he be allowed to?
He says that doctors have confirmed his body and organs are more typical of a man in his 40's and says he is discriminated against because of his age.
Let him. See if he feels the same when he can't retire till he's 85 x"
To be fair, he's not trying to get out of any tax implications because he's only asking for legal recognition and accepts that anything tax based would be calculated against his biological age, which wouldn't change |
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"Emile Ratelband is trying to legally change his age from 69 to 49, should he be allowed to?
He says that doctors have confirmed his body and organs are more typical of a man in his 40's and says he is discriminated against because of his age.
Let him. See if he feels the same when he can't retire till he's 85 x"
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"Thing is the guy has got a point. What he's doing in terms of procedure and even having medical backup for his case is no different from what trans people do and demand acceptance from society over. Why one set of rules for them and another set for us?
I won't say he has an anti trans agenda or he's trying to be cheeky about anything, but his case illustrates the slippery slope that self determination of identity in society beyond obvious incontrovertible biological facts presents. Like what another commenter said, where does this end then if everyone in society goes "I think therefore I am and if you don't recognise or agree with me you're discriminating against me"? Especially nowadays when people are so absolutely flippant with their gender and personal identities as if they were clothing that could be changed from day to day. "
The easy way to accommodate trans people is to have a clear distinction between gender and biological sex. It's only a small minority of trans people who go to the radical step of conflating them. In that sense, you can distinguish a legal and biological age just as easily. |
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"Emile Ratelband is trying to legally change his age from 69 to 49, should he be allowed to?
He says that doctors have confirmed his body and organs are more typical of a man in his 40's and says he is discriminated against because of his age.
Let him. See if he feels the same when he can't retire till he's 85 x
To be fair, he's not trying to get out of any tax implications because he's only asking for legal recognition and accepts that anything tax based would be calculated against his biological age, which wouldn't change "
Nah then. You want to be 49...Your 49 x |
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By *r.BlondeMan
over a year ago
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"Thing is the guy has got a point. What he's doing in terms of procedure and even having medical backup for his case is no different from what trans people do and demand acceptance from society over. Why one set of rules for them and another set for us?
I won't say he has an anti trans agenda or he's trying to be cheeky about anything, but his case illustrates the slippery slope that self determination of identity in society beyond obvious incontrovertible biological facts presents. Like what another commenter said, where does this end then if everyone in society goes "I think therefore I am and if you don't recognise or agree with me you're discriminating against me"? Especially nowadays when people are so absolutely flippant with their gender and personal identities as if they were clothing that could be changed from day to day.
The easy way to accommodate trans people is to have a clear distinction between gender and biological sex. It's only a small minority of trans people who go to the radical step of conflating them. In that sense, you can distinguish a legal and biological age just as easily. "
yeah but that can be hate speech now if you don't use their preferred pronouns. |
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"Emile Ratelband is trying to legally change his age from 69 to 49, should he be allowed to?
He says that doctors have confirmed his body and organs are more typical of a man in his 40's and says he is discriminated against because of his age.
Let him. See if he feels the same when he can't retire till he's 85 x
To be fair, he's not trying to get out of any tax implications because he's only asking for legal recognition and accepts that anything tax based would be calculated against his biological age, which wouldn't change
Nah then. You want to be 49...Your 49 x"
It's not the most helpful distinction though is it! Next time I ask someone their age, it's a bit annoying the follow it up with "and is that your legal age or your biological age?" |
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"Thing is the guy has got a point. What he's doing in terms of procedure and even having medical backup for his case is no different from what trans people do and demand acceptance from society over. Why one set of rules for them and another set for us?
I won't say he has an anti trans agenda or he's trying to be cheeky about anything, but his case illustrates the slippery slope that self determination of identity in society beyond obvious incontrovertible biological facts presents. Like what another commenter said, where does this end then if everyone in society goes "I think therefore I am and if you don't recognise or agree with me you're discriminating against me"? Especially nowadays when people are so absolutely flippant with their gender and personal identities as if they were clothing that could be changed from day to day.
The easy way to accommodate trans people is to have a clear distinction between gender and biological sex. It's only a small minority of trans people who go to the radical step of conflating them. In that sense, you can distinguish a legal and biological age just as easily. "
Problem is if we go down the way you describe, which takes precedence? Are we going to have two sets of ages for different scenarios and situations as we see fit? I think that's highly unacceptable and would be a legal nightmare. |
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over a year ago
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Thinking about this laterally can I be "aged" at 67 please because I abused my body something chronic during most of my adulthood and where do I then sign on for my state pension! |
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"No, where will it end?
Should a child of 12 be allowed to demandil to be "aged" at 18 because they've developed quicker than normal thus allowing them in pubs and be able to get married etc?
Absolutely ridiculous!
What you said is already happening. Just go to any cosplay convention and you will see plenty of under 16s passing themselves off as being over 18 and engaging in horseplay or interacting with adults in a manner that would make anyone worried about safeguarding or potential grooming nightmares. Simply because they think they can play at adult games thanks to being physically looking like one. "
What's cosplay?  |
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"Thing is the guy has got a point. What he's doing in terms of procedure and even having medical backup for his case is no different from what trans people do and demand acceptance from society over. Why one set of rules for them and another set for us?
I won't say he has an anti trans agenda or he's trying to be cheeky about anything, but his case illustrates the slippery slope that self determination of identity in society beyond obvious incontrovertible biological facts presents. Like what another commenter said, where does this end then if everyone in society goes "I think therefore I am and if you don't recognise or agree with me you're discriminating against me"? Especially nowadays when people are so absolutely flippant with their gender and personal identities as if they were clothing that could be changed from day to day.
The easy way to accommodate trans people is to have a clear distinction between gender and biological sex. It's only a small minority of trans people who go to the radical step of conflating them. In that sense, you can distinguish a legal and biological age just as easily. "
Not to mention for most trans people their gender identification all but demands that they make a clear link and actual physical change to their biological sex. Even if it isn't just messing about with the genitals they were born with and it's just stuff like getting hormone therapy to grow hair or breast implants to have tits. Otherwise they'd be where they started, feeling like a different gender stuck in a different body. |
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"Emile Ratelband is trying to legally change his age from 69 to 49, should he be allowed to?
He says that doctors have confirmed his body and organs are more typical of a man in his 40's and says he is discriminated against because of his age.
Let him. See if he feels the same when he can't retire till he's 85 x
To be fair, he's not trying to get out of any tax implications because he's only asking for legal recognition and accepts that anything tax based would be calculated against his biological age, which wouldn't change
Nah then. You want to be 49...Your 49 x
It's not the most helpful distinction though is it! Next time I ask someone their age, it's a bit annoying the follow it up with "and is that your legal age or your biological age?" "
Not really. Just use your common sense lol x |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"No, where will it end?
Should a child of 12 be allowed to demandil to be "aged" at 18 because they've developed quicker than normal thus allowing them in pubs and be able to get married etc?
Absolutely ridiculous!
What you said is already happening. Just go to any cosplay convention and you will see plenty of under 16s passing themselves off as being over 18 and engaging in horseplay or interacting with adults in a manner that would make anyone worried about safeguarding or potential grooming nightmares. Simply because they think they can play at adult games thanks to being physically looking like one.
What's cosplay? "
You know... Like comic cons? Dressing up at conventions in anime or movie characters? Hull has a few every year in summer. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"No, where will it end?
Should a child of 12 be allowed to demandil to be "aged" at 18 because they've developed quicker than normal thus allowing them in pubs and be able to get married etc?
Absolutely ridiculous!
What you said is already happening. Just go to any cosplay convention and you will see plenty of under 16s passing themselves off as being over 18 and engaging in horseplay or interacting with adults in a manner that would make anyone worried about safeguarding or potential grooming nightmares. Simply because they think they can play at adult games thanks to being physically looking like one.
What's cosplay?
You know... Like comic cons? Dressing up at conventions in anime or movie characters? Hull has a few every year in summer. "
Okay, honestly didn't know, but it's age restricted!? |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"No, where will it end?
Should a child of 12 be allowed to demandil to be "aged" at 18 because they've developed quicker than normal thus allowing them in pubs and be able to get married etc?
Absolutely ridiculous!
What you said is already happening. Just go to any cosplay convention and you will see plenty of under 16s passing themselves off as being over 18 and engaging in horseplay or interacting with adults in a manner that would make anyone worried about safeguarding or potential grooming nightmares. Simply because they think they can play at adult games thanks to being physically looking like one.
What's cosplay?
You know... Like comic cons? Dressing up at conventions in anime or movie characters? Hull has a few every year in summer.
Okay, honestly didn't know, but it's age restricted!? "
It's not age restricted but you get many cases of teens outright declaring their ages to be older than they actually are because it's one of the few places and events that they could just pass for someone else entirely outside of their normal lives. And the stuff you see there as a result... Shudders all around. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"No...but to be fair to him, he did say he didn’t want his pension if the change was legally allowed "
Guy has played a blinder with that gesture. Nobody can use the financial angle to beat him over the head with. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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No, he is what he is and I think it is misleading to others he wants to date if he does. He should embrace it, many people aren’t lucky enough to get to his age. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"No, where will it end?
Should a child of 12 be allowed to demandil to be "aged" at 18 because they've developed quicker than normal thus allowing them in pubs and be able to get married etc?
Absolutely ridiculous!
What you said is already happening. Just go to any cosplay convention and you will see plenty of under 16s passing themselves off as being over 18 and engaging in horseplay or interacting with adults in a manner that would make anyone worried about safeguarding or potential grooming nightmares. Simply because they think they can play at adult games thanks to being physically looking like one.
What's cosplay?
You know... Like comic cons? Dressing up at conventions in anime or movie characters? Hull has a few every year in summer.
Okay, honestly didn't know, but it's age restricted!?
It's not age restricted but you get many cases of teens outright declaring their ages to be older than they actually are because it's one of the few places and events that they could just pass for someone else entirely outside of their normal lives. And the stuff you see there as a result... Shudders all around. "
I'm guessing it's not characters out of star wars or similar then!  |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"No, where will it end?
Should a child of 12 be allowed to demandil to be "aged" at 18 because they've developed quicker than normal thus allowing them in pubs and be able to get married etc?
Absolutely ridiculous!
What you said is already happening. Just go to any cosplay convention and you will see plenty of under 16s passing themselves off as being over 18 and engaging in horseplay or interacting with adults in a manner that would make anyone worried about safeguarding or potential grooming nightmares. Simply because they think they can play at adult games thanks to being physically looking like one.
What's cosplay?
You know... Like comic cons? Dressing up at conventions in anime or movie characters? Hull has a few every year in summer.
Okay, honestly didn't know, but it's age restricted!?
It's not age restricted but you get many cases of teens outright declaring their ages to be older than they actually are because it's one of the few places and events that they could just pass for someone else entirely outside of their normal lives. And the stuff you see there as a result... Shudders all around.
I'm guessing it's not characters out of star wars or similar then! "
Some are. Some aren't. But I've seen stuff like handcuffs and whips turn up at such events before.
But I digress. Point is this case in point is a symptom of a bigger malaise in society today. Where individualism and self centredness has been given too much leeway. |
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By *emini ManMan
over a year ago
There and to the left a bit |
"Heard this on the radio the other day and thought it was totally ridiculous - if you've lived 69 years, you've lived 69 years plain and simple.
Just because You've taken care of your body and it's in better working order than others of the same age, or younger, doesn't alter the fact you've still lived in it for that length of time.
He'd be better challenging those that are allegedly discriminating against him
He's not disputing his biological age. He's saying he wants a different legal age because his biology doesn't match the typical standard of what people reasonably expect from that age. Maybe he's a Fab user and is pissed off with age filters... "
I get that but your biological age should also be your legal age - allowing people to pick and choose opens up too many imponderables for a start, not to mention potential floodgates.
If the main reason he is doing it is to get round perceived discrimination, as I said, he'd be better fighting the discrimination than trying to use a bonkers way round it. |
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There's a really broad range of physiological ages within chronological age. Rather than differentiate between the two why not accept that one 60 year old won't necessarily be like another.
Also imagine the horror of going to get your physiological age registered and its twenty years older than you really are  |
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"Emile Ratelband is trying to legally change his age from 69 to 49, should he be allowed to?
He says that doctors have confirmed his body and organs are more typical of a man in his 40's and says he is discriminated against because of his age. "
I want to be 65 so I can claim the associated benefits and give up work. |
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"Heard this on the radio the other day and thought it was totally ridiculous - if you've lived 69 years, you've lived 69 years plain and simple.
Just because You've taken care of your body and it's in better working order than others of the same age, or younger, doesn't alter the fact you've still lived in it for that length of time.
He'd be better challenging those that are allegedly discriminating against him
He's not disputing his biological age. He's saying he wants a different legal age because his biology doesn't match the typical standard of what people reasonably expect from that age. Maybe he's a Fab user and is pissed off with age filters...
I get that but your biological age should also be your legal age - allowing people to pick and choose opens up too many imponderables for a start, not to mention potential floodgates.
If the main reason he is doing it is to get round perceived discrimination, as I said, he'd be better fighting the discrimination than trying to use a bonkers way round it."
He has made reference to his case being no different to a person who wants to legally change their gender whilst recognising their biological sex will remain the same. How would you respond to that? |
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By *ansNotHot.Man
over a year ago
here, there & in your knickers |
"Heard this on the radio the other day and thought it was totally ridiculous - if you've lived 69 years, you've lived 69 years plain and simple.
Just because You've taken care of your body and it's in better working order than others of the same age, or younger, doesn't alter the fact you've still lived in it for that length of time.
He'd be better challenging those that are allegedly discriminating against him
He's not disputing his biological age. He's saying he wants a different legal age because his biology doesn't match the typical standard of what people reasonably expect from that age. Maybe he's a Fab user and is pissed off with age filters...
I get that but your biological age should also be your legal age - allowing people to pick and choose opens up too many imponderables for a start, not to mention potential floodgates.
If the main reason he is doing it is to get round perceived discrimination, as I said, he'd be better fighting the discrimination than trying to use a bonkers way round it.
He has made reference to his case being no different to a person who wants to legally change their gender whilst recognising their biological sex will remain the same. How would you respond to that? "
In court or outside?  |
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What real benefit will it make to his life at the end of the day. Presumably if applying for jobs and things which a younger man would be less discriminated against, he would still have to legally declare a biological age so nulling any benefit |
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"Heard this on the radio the other day and thought it was totally ridiculous - if you've lived 69 years, you've lived 69 years plain and simple.
Just because You've taken care of your body and it's in better working order than others of the same age, or younger, doesn't alter the fact you've still lived in it for that length of time.
He'd be better challenging those that are allegedly discriminating against him
He's not disputing his biological age. He's saying he wants a different legal age because his biology doesn't match the typical standard of what people reasonably expect from that age. Maybe he's a Fab user and is pissed off with age filters...
I get that but your biological age should also be your legal age - allowing people to pick and choose opens up too many imponderables for a start, not to mention potential floodgates.
If the main reason he is doing it is to get round perceived discrimination, as I said, he'd be better fighting the discrimination than trying to use a bonkers way round it.
He has made reference to his case being no different to a person who wants to legally change their gender whilst recognising their biological sex will remain the same. How would you respond to that?
In court or outside? "
Guess who's back, back again, shady's back, tell a friend.... |
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By *ansNotHot.Man
over a year ago
here, there & in your knickers |
"What real benefit will it make to his life at the end of the day. Presumably if applying for jobs and things which a younger man would be less discriminated against, he would still have to legally declare a biological age so nulling any benefit"
He can get more tinder dates.. according to him |
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"What real benefit will it make to his life at the end of the day. Presumably if applying for jobs and things which a younger man would be less discriminated against, he would still have to legally declare a biological age so nulling any benefit"
He could get round the age filters on fab |
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By *ansNotHot.Man
over a year ago
here, there & in your knickers |
"Heard this on the radio the other day and thought it was totally ridiculous - if you've lived 69 years, you've lived 69 years plain and simple.
Just because You've taken care of your body and it's in better working order than others of the same age, or younger, doesn't alter the fact you've still lived in it for that length of time.
He'd be better challenging those that are allegedly discriminating against him
He's not disputing his biological age. He's saying he wants a different legal age because his biology doesn't match the typical standard of what people reasonably expect from that age. Maybe he's a Fab user and is pissed off with age filters...
I get that but your biological age should also be your legal age - allowing people to pick and choose opens up too many imponderables for a start, not to mention potential floodgates.
If the main reason he is doing it is to get round perceived discrimination, as I said, he'd be better fighting the discrimination than trying to use a bonkers way round it.
He has made reference to his case being no different to a person who wants to legally change their gender whilst recognising their biological sex will remain the same. How would you respond to that?
In court or outside?
Guess who's back, back again, shady's back, tell a friend...."
If his case is allowed by a judge.. I’ll buy you dinner.. you have it in writing here |
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By *r.BlondeMan
over a year ago
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"What real benefit will it make to his life at the end of the day. Presumably if applying for jobs and things which a younger man would be less discriminated against, he would still have to legally declare a biological age so nulling any benefit
He could get round the age filters on fab "
he would just be like some women on here then  |
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By *ansNotHot.Man
over a year ago
here, there & in your knickers |
"What real benefit will it make to his life at the end of the day. Presumably if applying for jobs and things which a younger man would be less discriminated against, he would still have to legally declare a biological age so nulling any benefit
He could get round the age filters on fab he would just be like some women on here then "
Hahaha!! |
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"What real benefit will it make to his life at the end of the day. Presumably if applying for jobs and things which a younger man would be less discriminated against, he would still have to legally declare a biological age so nulling any benefit
He could get round the age filters on fab "
All that effort for one more year of trying and still not getting a fuck |
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"There's a really broad range of physiological ages within chronological age. Rather than differentiate between the two why not accept that one 60 year old won't necessarily be like another.
Also imagine the horror of going to get your physiological age registered and its twenty years older than you really are "
Imagine a judge ordering you to add 20 years to your age |
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By *r.BlondeMan
over a year ago
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"Haven't actors/singers/Nigerian footballers been doing this for years? Shaving a few years off to make themselves more appealing to a younger audience?
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Yeah Yakubu who used to play for Everton, no way he is only 35! |
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By (user no longer on site)
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Sometimes we just have to accept things as they are...
Waste of money in my opinion. He should be thankful he has his health ans should make the most of it. |
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"There's a really broad range of physiological ages within chronological age. Rather than differentiate between the two why not accept that one 60 year old won't necessarily be like another.
Also imagine the horror of going to get your physiological age registered and its twenty years older than you really are
Imagine a judge ordering you to add 20 years to your age "
Imagine!
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