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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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This on Radio 4 today: if you could bring about paradise on earth but you had to torture one child to achieve it, would you? 
Personally, i think if you had to sink to that level of depravity then it wouldn't be much of a paradise.  |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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As in first world torture like taking away their iPhone?
How old would the child have to be? There is a little Justin beiber wannabe terrorising our village that I'd quite happily string up by his toenails for the greater good of the planet  |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"Some sick minds about to come up with something like that.  "
I know, i was marvelling at the fact that this would come up as a topic for debate on esteemed Radio 4 too.  |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Have a watch of a film called 'Circle'
Although it's not about achieving world peace by torturing a child, it does make you question how you would react in a life or death situation where a child is also involved..... self preservation? It's a good watch and makes you question yourself
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"Have a watch of a film called 'Circle'
Although it's not about achieving world peace by torturing a child, it does make you question how you would react in a life or death situation where a child is also involved..... self preservation? It's a good watch and makes you question yourself
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I'll keep an eye out for it.
If people can get over their initial shock i think it makes for an interesting debate. Of course every sane person would say they would never do such a thing but if it really comes down to the crunch who knows.
After all, there are plenty of people in this world who've done far worse for far less gain. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"No and it doesn’t seem to be a lighthearted question
Agree .... to me, light hearted would be along the lines of, "why do people drive to the gym to go on a treadmill""
It makes a change from the perennial 'kiss, fuck, avoid' threads.
You can make it fun or you can join in with a serious post, it's up to you. |
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"No and it doesn’t seem to be a lighthearted question
Agree .... to me, light hearted would be along the lines of, "why do people drive to the gym to go on a treadmill"
It makes a change from the perennial 'kiss, fuck, avoid' threads.
You can make it fun or you can join in with a serious post, it's up to you."
Even Ghengis Khan would struggle to make child torturing fun... |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"No and it doesn’t seem to be a lighthearted question
Agree .... to me, light hearted would be along the lines of, "why do people drive to the gym to go on a treadmill"
It makes a change from the perennial 'kiss, fuck, avoid' threads.
You can make it fun or you can join in with a serious post, it's up to you.
Even Ghengis Khan would struggle to make child torturing fun..."
There's been a couple of good examples so far. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Have a watch of a film called 'Circle'
Although it's not about achieving world peace by torturing a child, it does make you question how you would react in a life or death situation where a child is also involved..... self preservation? It's a good watch and makes you question yourself
Q x
I'll keep an eye out for it.
If people can get over their initial shock i think it makes for an interesting debate. Of course every sane person would say they would never do such a thing but if it really comes down to the crunch who knows.
After all, there are plenty of people in this world who've done far worse for far less gain."
Exactly, me and the hubby differed completely on how we would have been in the final moments of the film, it made for some interesting conversation afterwards lol |
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"Paradise is an unachievable ideal anyway. Save the child and dance in the flames of anarchy. "
It's a hypothetical
A variant on the large man and train or the your standing at a train junction on one track there are 100 adults the other one child you have to be proactive to save the 100 ,
You would obviously be guilty of killing the child if you change the direction but responsible for saving 100 however , how does your mind evaluate inaction , are you guilty of killing 100 or because it would just happen you have zero responsibility for their deaths ?
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"Have a watch of a film called 'Circle'
Although it's not about achieving world peace by torturing a child, it does make you question how you would react in a life or death situation where a child is also involved..... self preservation? It's a good watch and makes you question yourself
Q x
I'll keep an eye out for it.
If people can get over their initial shock i think it makes for an interesting debate. Of course every sane person would say they would never do such a thing but if it really comes down to the crunch who knows.
After all, there are plenty of people in this world who've done far worse for far less gain.
Exactly, me and the hubby differed completely on how we would have been in the final moments of the film, it made for some interesting conversation afterwards lol"
I think it might be on Netflix. Don't tell me what happens. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"Paradise is an unachievable ideal anyway. Save the child and dance in the flames of anarchy.
It's a hypothetical
A variant on the large man and train or the your standing at a train junction on one track there are 100 adults the other one child you have to be proactive to save the 100 ,
You would obviously be guilty of killing the child if you change the direction but responsible for saving 100 however , how does your mind evaluate inaction , are you guilty of killing 100 or because it would just happen you have zero responsibility for their deaths ?
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That's a good point about zero responsibility or is just a means of alleviating guilt.
So you opt for torture knowing that your own family will benefit but you know you can't live with the shameful deed. Do you go ahead with it knowing that ultimately it will bring about your own demise? Do you view this as a sacrifice worth making? And back to my original point, can a paradise brought about by such an act truly be viewed as a paradise at all? |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Paradise is an unachievable ideal anyway. Save the child and dance in the flames of anarchy.
It's a hypothetical
A variant on the large man and train or the your standing at a train junction on one track there are 100 adults the other one child you have to be proactive to save the 100 ,
You would obviously be guilty of killing the child if you change the direction but responsible for saving 100 however , how does your mind evaluate inaction , are you guilty of killing 100 or because it would just happen you have zero responsibility for their deaths ?
That's a good point about zero responsibility or is just a means of alleviating guilt.
So you opt for torture knowing that your own family will benefit but you know you can't live with the shameful deed. Do you go ahead with it knowing that ultimately it will bring about your own demise? Do you view this as a sacrifice worth making? And back to my original point, can a paradise brought about by such an act truly be viewed as a paradise at all?"
They take all the trees and put them in a tree museum
They take paradise and put up a parking lot... |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Have a watch of a film called 'Circle'
Although it's not about achieving world peace by torturing a child, it does make you question how you would react in a life or death situation where a child is also involved..... self preservation? It's a good watch and makes you question yourself
Q x
I'll keep an eye out for it.
If people can get over their initial shock i think it makes for an interesting debate. Of course every sane person would say they would never do such a thing but if it really comes down to the crunch who knows.
After all, there are plenty of people in this world who've done far worse for far less gain.
Exactly, me and the hubby differed completely on how we would have been in the final moments of the film, it made for some interesting conversation afterwards lol
I think it might be on Netflix. Don't tell me what happens."
It is, don't get confused with the film called The Circle. No spoilers from me, i think it's a thought provoking film |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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Of course, the trickier part of the dilemma is this:
Someone, you have no idea who, has done the deed and you now find yourself living in paradise. Are you happy to go on living knowing how you got there thus condoning his actions? |
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By *apmanMan
over a year ago
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We don't live in paradise.
People, including children, are tortured every day, in all corners of the planet.
Usually thoughtlessly, or through lack of care, sometimes deliberately.
If I had the chance to stop all suffering by one act of cruelty, I would take it.
And relentlessly quote Mr Spock 'The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few'
There you go. Lighthearted at the end.
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By *VineMan
over a year ago
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"We don't live in paradise.
People, including children, are tortured every day, in all corners of the planet.
Usually thoughtlessly, or through lack of care, sometimes deliberately.
If I had the chance to stop all suffering by one act of cruelty, I would take it.
And relentlessly quote Mr Spock 'The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few'
There you go. Lighthearted at the end.
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A very utilitarian approach. Jeremy Bentham would be proud. 
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