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1918 - 2018 We Shall Remember Them

By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

A thread of anything you feel like posting in Honour of our Fallen and to those currently serving in our armed forces. Stay safe wherever you are and "Lest We Forget"

Daddy's Day

Her hair was up in a pony tail,

her favourite dress tied with a bow.

Today was Daddy's Day at school,

and she couldn't wait to go.

But her mommy tried to tell her,

that she probably should stay home.

Why the kids might not understand,

if she went to school alone.

But she was not afraid; she knew just what to say. What to tell her classmates of why he wasn't there today.

But still her mother worried,

for her to face this day alone.

And that was why once again,

she tried to keep her daughter home.

But the little girl went to school

eager to tell them all.

About a dad she never sees;

a dad who never calls.

There were daddies along the wall in back, for everyone to meet.

Children squirming impatiently,

anxious in their seats

One by one the teacher called a student from the class. To introduce their daddy, as seconds slowly passed.

At last the teacher called her name,

every child turned to stare.

Each of them was searching,

for a man who wasn't there.

"Where's her daddy at?"

she heard a boy call out.

"She probably doesn't have one,"

another student dared to shout.

And from somewhere near the back,

she heard a daddy say,

"Looks like another deadbeat dad,

too busy to waste his day."

The words did not offend her,

as she smiled up at her Mom.

And looked back at her teacher,

who told her to go on.

And with hands behind her back,

slowly she began to speak.

And out from the mouth of a child,

came words incredibly unique.

"My Daddy couldn't be here,

because he lives so far away.

But I know he wishes he could be,

since this is such a special day.

And though you cannot meet him,

I wanted you to know.

All about my daddy,

and how much he loves me so.

He loved to tell me stories

he taught me to ride my bike.

He surprised me with pink roses,

and taught me to fly a kite.

We used to share fudge sundaes,

and ice cream in a cone.

And though you cannot see him.

I'm not standing here alone.

"Cause my daddy's always with me,

even though we are apart

I know because he told me,

he'll forever be in my heart"

With that, her little hand reached up,

and lay across her chest.

Feeling her own heartbeat,

beneath her favourite dress.

And from somewhere here in the crowd of dads, her mother stood in tears.

Proudly watching her daughter,

who was wise beyond her years.

For she stood up for the love

of a man not in her life.

Doing what was best for her,

doing what was right.

And when she dropped her hand back down, staring straight into the crowd.

She finished with a voice so soft,

but its message clear and loud.

"I love my daddy very much,

he's my shining star.

And if he could, he'd be here,

but heaven's just too far

You see he was a fireman

and died just this past year

When airplanes hit the towers

and taught Americans to fear.

But sometimes when I close my eyes,

it's like he never went away."

And then she closed her eyes,

and she saw him there that day.

And to her mothers amazement,

she witnessed with surprise

A room full of daddies and children,

all starting to close their eyes.

Who knows what they saw before them,

who knows what they felt inside.

Perhaps for merely a second,

they saw him at her side.

"I know you're with me Daddy,"

to the silence she called out.

And what happened next made believers,

of those once filled with doubt.

Not one in that room could explain it,

for each of their eyes had been closed.

But there on the desk beside her,

was a fragrant long-stemmed pink rose.

And a child was blessed, if only for a moment,

by the love of her shining star.

And given the gift of believing,

that heaven is never too far.

They say it takes a minute to find a special

person, an hour to appreciate them,

a day to love them, but then an entire

life to forget them.

xxxx

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

A pointless war run by military fucking idiots. I had a family member die in 1917. It destroyed the family.

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"A pointless war run by military fucking idiots. I had a family member die in 1917. It destroyed the family. "
We have sadly lost 4 family members to war's, I feel your pain

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

My greatgrandfather fought on the Somme, despite my constant badgering he never spoke of his experience. Let's not just remember the brave fallen but also those that were lucky enough to make it back home.

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"My greatgrandfather fought on the Somme, despite my constant badgering he never spoke of his experience. Let's not just remember the brave fallen but also those that were lucky enough to make it back home.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Tommy at seaham

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"Tommy at seaham

Yes went down this morning to see what they've done to him , he's crying poppies, updated our avatar

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By *he Mac LassWoman over a year ago

Hefty Hideaway

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Tommy at seaham

Yes went down this morning to see what they've done to him , he's crying poppies, updated our avatar"

Yeah I go and see him when getting fish and chips and lickety splits

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By *lem-H-FandangoMan over a year ago

salisbury

Sixteen years old when I went to the war,

To fight for a land fit for heroes,

God on my side, and a gun in my hand,

Chasing my days down to zero,

And I marched and I fought and I bled and I died,

And I never did get any older,

But I knew at the time that a year in the line,

Was a long enough life for a soldier,

We all volunteered, and we wrote down our names,

And we added two years to our ages,

Eager for life and ahead of the game,

Ready for history's pages,

And we brawled and we fought and we whored 'til we stood,

Ten thousand shoulder to shoulder,

A thirst for the Hun, we were food for the gun,

And that's what you are when you're soldiers,

I heard my friend cry, and he sank to his knees,

Coughing blood as he screamed for his mother,

And I fell by his side, and that's how we died,

Clinging like kids to each other,

And I lay in the mud and the guts and the blood,

And I wept as his body grew colder,

And I called for my mother and she never came,

Though it wasn't my fault and I wasn't to blame,

The day not half over and ten thousand slain,

And now there's nobody remembers our names

And that's how it is for a soldier

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By *dward_TeagueMan over a year ago

wolverhampton

Such beautiful and poignant words on this thread.

I lost two Great Uncles on the first day of the Somme and never forget the sacrifice that they and their comrades made so we can all live our lives with freedom.

Long gone, never forgotten and never will be forgotten.

RIP to the fallen.

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"Tommy at seaham

Yes went down this morning to see what they've done to him , he's crying poppies, updated our avatar

Yeah I go and see him when getting fish and chips and lickety splits"

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"Sixteen years old when I went to the war,

To fight for a land fit for heroes,

God on my side, and a gun in my hand,

Chasing my days down to zero,

And I marched and I fought and I bled and I died,

And I never did get any older,

But I knew at the time that a year in the line,

Was a long enough life for a soldier,

We all volunteered, and we wrote down our names,

And we added two years to our ages,

Eager for life and ahead of the game,

Ready for history's pages,

And we brawled and we fought and we whored 'til we stood,

Ten thousand shoulder to shoulder,

A thirst for the Hun, we were food for the gun,

And that's what you are when you're soldiers,

I heard my friend cry, and he sank to his knees,

Coughing blood as he screamed for his mother,

And I fell by his side, and that's how we died,

Clinging like kids to each other,

And I lay in the mud and the guts and the blood,

And I wept as his body grew colder,

And I called for my mother and she never came,

Though it wasn't my fault and I wasn't to blame,

The day not half over and ten thousand slain,

And now there's nobody remembers our names

And that's how it is for a soldier"

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By *tirluvMan over a year ago

the right frame of mind -London

Do we have to remember the whole list? Seems like a lot of work for only one Saturday

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By *andybeachWoman over a year ago

In the middle

That there is some corner of a foreign field that is forever England

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"Do we have to remember the whole list? Seems like a lot of work for only one Saturday"
A bit of RESPECT please if you have nothing nice to say don't say anything

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"That there is some corner of a foreign field that is forever England

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By *iamondCougarWoman over a year ago

Norfuck! / Lincolnshire

and when the sun goes down..... we will remember them......

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

and when the sun goes down..... we will remember them...... "

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By *tirluvMan over a year ago

the right frame of mind -London

"Do we have to remember the whole list? Seems like a lot of work for only one SaturdayA bit of RESPECT please if you have nothing nice to say don't say anything

Ah - so thoughts on here are only allowed if strictly Pavlovian?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Do we have to remember the whole list? Seems like a lot of work for only one SaturdayA bit of RESPECT please if you have nothing nice to say don't say anything

Ah - so thoughts on here are only allowed if strictly Pavlovian?"

There's always one.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Do we have to remember the whole list? Seems like a lot of work for only one SaturdayA bit of RESPECT please if you have nothing nice to say don't say anything

Ah - so thoughts on here are only allowed if strictly Pavlovian?

There's always one.

Just don’t bite it might go away

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

A shame that this thread will now probably spiral into chaos

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"A shame that this thread will now probably spiral into chaos

If anyone feels the need to comment on the morality of war and whether we should choose to remember our brave servicemen then i suggest they start their own thread.

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"A shame that this thread will now probably spiral into chaos

If anyone feels the need to comment on the morality of war and whether we should choose to remember our brave servicemen then i suggest they start their own thread."
100% this, Thank You

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By *tirluvMan over a year ago

the right frame of mind -London

"A shame that this thread will now probably spiral into chaos

If anyone feels the need to comment on the morality of war and whether we should choose to remember our brave servicemen then i suggest they start their own thread.100% this, Thank You "

Ah yes -oh so respectful marking the occasion on a swinger site - whatever your views on it, does nobody see any irony in this?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"A shame that this thread will now probably spiral into chaos

If anyone feels the need to comment on the morality of war and whether we should choose to remember our brave servicemen then i suggest they start their own thread.100% this, Thank You

Ah yes -oh so respectful marking the occasion on a swinger site - whatever your views on it, does nobody see any irony in this?"

It's been suggested that i don't bite but dear, oh dear. And once more

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By *orny PTMan over a year ago

Peterborough

I've just knocked this one out, is it any good?

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For Country and King

Remember the fallen.

Remember the good.

Remember their sacrifice.

Remember the mud.

Remember the change.

Remember their future.

Remember those dreams.

And remember their sutures.

Remember the politics.

That cause misery.

Remember the survivors.

Who became history.

Remember the pain.

Remember the loss.

Remember those medals,

Ribbons and cross.

For Country and King.

In fields abroad.

Freezing and dying.

By tank, bullet and sword.

(Horny PT 2018)

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Poignant at this time. Thanks.

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By *upremexMan over a year ago

liverpool. huyton. near yewtree

A lost generation.

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By *orny PTMan over a year ago

Peterborough

"I've just knocked this one out, is it any good?

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For Country and King

Remember the fallen.

Remember the good.

Remember their sacrifice.

Remember the mud.

Remember the change.

Remember their future.

Remember those dreams.

And remember their sutures.

Remember the politics.

That cause misery.

Remember the survivors.

Who became history.

Remember the pain.

Remember the loss.

Remember those medals,

Ribbons and cross.

For Country and King.

In fields abroad.

Freezing and dying.

By tank, bullet and sword.

(Horny PT 2018)

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Both of my great grandads too

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Both of my great grandads too

It's an unnerving thought that if they were amongst the fallen we'd never be here.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

A small extract from a poem by Cornelius O'Mahoney of the 1st Royal Munster's,which he wrote in 1915,which was never published until found in an attic in Cumbria 101 yrs later in 2016.."They are gone,they are gone.Yet their memory shall cherish,Our brave boys who perished and crossed O'er the bar..Yet their presence is missed from the ranks of the Munster's,Our heroes who slumber in wild Seddul-Bahr".

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By *2000ManMan over a year ago

Worthing

Both my Grandads saw action in WW2. One survived his troopship being torpedoed and the other fought in Europe. Much missed. xxx

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"A small extract from a poem by Cornelius O'Mahoney of the 1st Royal Munster's,which he wrote in 1915,which was never published until found in an attic in Cumbria 101 yrs later in 2016.."They are gone,they are gone.Yet their memory shall cherish,Our brave boys who perished and crossed O'er the bar..Yet their presence is missed from the ranks of the Munster's,Our heroes who slumber in wild Seddul-Bahr"."

To those that fell in Gallipoli.

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By *ily Con CarneTV/TS over a year ago

Cornwall

oh goodness so did my grandfather, I'm so sad... he never spoke of it either ... he would jump at the slightest sound... he did come back unlike so many ....

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

Thanks for posting on this thread all , very moving and thought provoking words

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Thanks for posting on this thread all , very moving and thought provoking words

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And thanks to ye both for starting this Thread.It's welcoming to know that there's still a lot of us that show respect to those brave men

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"Thanks for posting on this thread all , very moving and thought provoking words

And thanks to ye both for starting this Thread.It's welcoming to know that there's still a lot of us that show respect to those brave men

Busy watching War Horse at the Proms on bbc4 its awesome

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By *opsy RogersWoman over a year ago

London

For my dad who survived WW2 a damaged but strong man, his favourite poem that his children and grandchildren know by heart.

Gunga Din

Rudyard Kipling, 1865 - 1936

You may talk o' gin an' beer

When you're quartered safe out 'ere,

An' you're sent to penny-fights an' Aldershot it;

But if it comes to slaughter

You will do your work on water,

An' you'll lick the bloomin' boots of 'im that's got it.

Now in Injia's sunny clime,

Where I used to spend my time

A-servin' of 'Er Majesty the Queen,

Of all them black-faced crew

The finest man I knew

Was our regimental bhisti, Gunga Din.

It was "Din! Din! Din!

You limping lump o' brick-dust, Gunga Din!

Hi! slippy hitherao!

Water, get it! Panee lao!

You squidgy-nosed old idol, Gunga Din!"

The uniform 'e wore

Was nothin' much before,

An' rather less than 'arf o' that be'ind,

For a twisty piece o' rag

An' a goatskin water-bag

Was all the field-equipment 'e could find.

When the sweatin' troop-train lay

In a sidin' through the day,

Where the 'eat would make your bloomin' eyebrows crawl,

We shouted "Harry By!"

Till our throats were bricky-dry,

Then we wopped 'im 'cause 'e couldn't serve us all.

It was "Din! Din! Din!

You 'eathen, where the mischief 'ave you been?

You put some juldee in it,

Or I'll marrow you this minute,

If you don't fill up my helmet, Gunga Din!"

'E would dot an' carry one

Till the longest day was done,

An' 'e didn't seem to know the use o' fear.

If we charged or broke or cut,

You could bet your bloomin' nut,

'E'd be waitin' fifty paces right flank rear.

With 'is mussick on 'is back,

'E would skip with our attack,

An' watch us till the bugles made "Retire."

An' for all 'is dirty 'ide,

'E was white, clear white, inside

When 'e went to tend the wounded under fire!

It was "Din! Din! Din!"

With the bullets kickin' dust-spots on the green.

When the cartridges ran out,

You could 'ear the front-files shout:

"Hi! ammunition-mules an' Gunga Din!"

I sha'n't forgit the night

When I dropped be'ind the fight

With a bullet where my belt-plate should 'a' been.

I was chokin' mad with thirst,

An' the man that spied me first

Was our good old grinnin', gruntin' Gunga Din.

'E lifted up my 'ead,

An' 'e plugged me where I bled,

An' 'e guv me 'arf-a-pint o' water—green;

It was crawlin' an' it stunk,

But of all the drinks I've d*unk,

I'm gratefullest to one from Gunga Din.

It was "Din! Din! Din!

'Ere's a beggar with a bullet through 'is spleen;

'E's chawin' up the ground an' 'e's kickin' all around:

For Gawd's sake, git the water, Gunga Din!"

'E carried me away

To where a dooli lay,

An' a bullet come an' drilled the beggar clean.

'E put me safe inside,

An' just before 'e died:

"I 'ope you liked your drink," sez Gunga Din.

So I'll meet 'im later on

In the place where 'e is gone—

Where it's always double drill and no canteen;

'E'll be squattin' on the coals

Givin' drink to pore damned souls,

An' I'll get a swig in Hell from Gunga Din!

Din! Din! Din!

You Lazarushian-leather Gunga Din!

Tho' I've belted you an' flayed you,

By the livin' Gawd that made you,

You're a better man than I am, Gunga Din!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"A thread of anything you feel like posting in Honour of our Fallen and to those currently serving in our armed forces. Stay safe wherever you are and "Lest We Forget"

Daddy's Day

Her hair was up in a pony tail,

her favourite dress tied with a bow.

Today was Daddy's Day at school,

and she couldn't wait to go.

But her mommy tried to tell her,

that she probably should stay home.

Why the kids might not understand,

if she went to school alone.

But she was not afraid; she knew just what to say. What to tell her classmates of why he wasn't there today.

But still her mother worried,

for her to face this day alone.

And that was why once again,

she tried to keep her daughter home.

But the little girl went to school

eager to tell them all.

About a dad she never sees;

a dad who never calls.

There were daddies along the wall in back, for everyone to meet.

Children squirming impatiently,

anxious in their seats

One by one the teacher called a student from the class. To introduce their daddy, as seconds slowly passed.

At last the teacher called her name,

every child turned to stare.

Each of them was searching,

for a man who wasn't there.

"Where's her daddy at?"

she heard a boy call out.

"She probably doesn't have one,"

another student dared to shout.

And from somewhere near the back,

she heard a daddy say,

"Looks like another deadbeat dad,

too busy to waste his day."

The words did not offend her,

as she smiled up at her Mom.

And looked back at her teacher,

who told her to go on.

And with hands behind her back,

slowly she began to speak.

And out from the mouth of a child,

came words incredibly unique.

"My Daddy couldn't be here,

because he lives so far away.

But I know he wishes he could be,

since this is such a special day.

And though you cannot meet him,

I wanted you to know.

All about my daddy,

and how much he loves me so.

He loved to tell me stories

he taught me to ride my bike.

He surprised me with pink roses,

and taught me to fly a kite.

We used to share fudge sundaes,

and ice cream in a cone.

And though you cannot see him.

I'm not standing here alone.

"Cause my daddy's always with me,

even though we are apart

I know because he told me,

he'll forever be in my heart"

With that, her little hand reached up,

and lay across her chest.

Feeling her own heartbeat,

beneath her favourite dress.

And from somewhere here in the crowd of dads, her mother stood in tears.

Proudly watching her daughter,

who was wise beyond her years.

For she stood up for the love

of a man not in her life.

Doing what was best for her,

doing what was right.

And when she dropped her hand back down, staring straight into the crowd.

She finished with a voice so soft,

but its message clear and loud.

"I love my daddy very much,

he's my shining star.

And if he could, he'd be here,

but heaven's just too far

You see he was a fireman

and died just this past year

When airplanes hit the towers

and taught Americans to fear.

But sometimes when I close my eyes,

it's like he never went away."

And then she closed her eyes,

and she saw him there that day.

And to her mothers amazement,

she witnessed with surprise

A room full of daddies and children,

all starting to close their eyes.

Who knows what they saw before them,

who knows what they felt inside.

Perhaps for merely a second,

they saw him at her side.

"I know you're with me Daddy,"

to the silence she called out.

And what happened next made believers,

of those once filled with doubt.

Not one in that room could explain it,

for each of their eyes had been closed.

But there on the desk beside her,

was a fragrant long-stemmed pink rose.

And a child was blessed, if only for a moment,

by the love of her shining star.

And given the gift of believing,

that heaven is never too far.

They say it takes a minute to find a special

person, an hour to appreciate them,

a day to love them, but then an entire

life to forget them.

xxxx"

A sad but endearing poem that msde me cry. Im still crying. They will never be forgotton. My Grandfather died in WW2,I never knew him. He ess an American soldier. I was in the Gulf war. Saw stuff I won't forget. War breaks my heart but sadly there are some that need to be stopped

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"For my dad who survived WW2 a damaged but strong man, his favourite poem that his children and grandchildren know by heart.

Gunga Din

Rudyard Kipling, 1865 - 1936

You may talk o' gin an' beer

When you're quartered safe out 'ere,

An' you're sent to penny-fights an' Aldershot it;

But if it comes to slaughter

You will do your work on water,

An' you'll lick the bloomin' boots of 'im that's got it.

Now in Injia's sunny clime,

Where I used to spend my time

A-servin' of 'Er Majesty the Queen,

Of all them black-faced crew

The finest man I knew

Was our regimental bhisti, Gunga Din.

It was "Din! Din! Din!

You limping lump o' brick-dust, Gunga Din!

Hi! slippy hitherao!

Water, get it! Panee lao!

You squidgy-nosed old idol, Gunga Din!"

The uniform 'e wore

Was nothin' much before,

An' rather less than 'arf o' that be'ind,

For a twisty piece o' rag

An' a goatskin water-bag

Was all the field-equipment 'e could find.

When the sweatin' troop-train lay

In a sidin' through the day,

Where the 'eat would make your bloomin' eyebrows crawl,

We shouted "Harry By!"

Till our throats were bricky-dry,

Then we wopped 'im 'cause 'e couldn't serve us all.

It was "Din! Din! Din!

You 'eathen, where the mischief 'ave you been?

You put some juldee in it,

Or I'll marrow you this minute,

If you don't fill up my helmet, Gunga Din!"

'E would dot an' carry one

Till the longest day was done,

An' 'e didn't seem to know the use o' fear.

If we charged or broke or cut,

You could bet your bloomin' nut,

'E'd be waitin' fifty paces right flank rear.

With 'is mussick on 'is back,

'E would skip with our attack,

An' watch us till the bugles made "Retire."

An' for all 'is dirty 'ide,

'E was white, clear white, inside

When 'e went to tend the wounded under fire!

It was "Din! Din! Din!"

With the bullets kickin' dust-spots on the green.

When the cartridges ran out,

You could 'ear the front-files shout:

"Hi! ammunition-mules an' Gunga Din!"

I sha'n't forgit the night

When I dropped be'ind the fight

With a bullet where my belt-plate should 'a' been.

I was chokin' mad with thirst,

An' the man that spied me first

Was our good old grinnin', gruntin' Gunga Din.

'E lifted up my 'ead,

An' 'e plugged me where I bled,

An' 'e guv me 'arf-a-pint o' water—green;

It was crawlin' an' it stunk,

But of all the drinks I've d*unk,

I'm gratefullest to one from Gunga Din.

It was "Din! Din! Din!

'Ere's a beggar with a bullet through 'is spleen;

'E's chawin' up the ground an' 'e's kickin' all around:

For Gawd's sake, git the water, Gunga Din!"

'E carried me away

To where a dooli lay,

An' a bullet come an' drilled the beggar clean.

'E put me safe inside,

An' just before 'e died:

"I 'ope you liked your drink," sez Gunga Din.

So I'll meet 'im later on

In the place where 'e is gone—

Where it's always double drill and no canteen;

'E'll be squattin' on the coals

Givin' drink to pore damned souls,

An' I'll get a swig in Hell from Gunga Din!

Din! Din! Din!

You Lazarushian-leather Gunga Din!

Tho' I've belted you an' flayed you,

By the livin' Gawd that made you,

You're a better man than I am, Gunga Din!"

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"A thread of anything you feel like posting in Honour of our Fallen and to those currently serving in our armed forces. Stay safe wherever you are and "Lest We Forget"

Daddy's Day

Her hair was up in a pony tail,

her favourite dress tied with a bow.

Today was Daddy's Day at school,

and she couldn't wait to go.

But her mommy tried to tell her,

that she probably should stay home.

Why the kids might not understand,

if she went to school alone.

But she was not afraid; she knew just what to say. What to tell her classmates of why he wasn't there today.

But still her mother worried,

for her to face this day alone.

And that was why once again,

she tried to keep her daughter home.

But the little girl went to school

eager to tell them all.

About a dad she never sees;

a dad who never calls.

There were daddies along the wall in back, for everyone to meet.

Children squirming impatiently,

anxious in their seats

One by one the teacher called a student from the class. To introduce their daddy, as seconds slowly passed.

At last the teacher called her name,

every child turned to stare.

Each of them was searching,

for a man who wasn't there.

"Where's her daddy at?"

she heard a boy call out.

"She probably doesn't have one,"

another student dared to shout.

And from somewhere near the back,

she heard a daddy say,

"Looks like another deadbeat dad,

too busy to waste his day."

The words did not offend her,

as she smiled up at her Mom.

And looked back at her teacher,

who told her to go on.

And with hands behind her back,

slowly she began to speak.

And out from the mouth of a child,

came words incredibly unique.

"My Daddy couldn't be here,

because he lives so far away.

But I know he wishes he could be,

since this is such a special day.

And though you cannot meet him,

I wanted you to know.

All about my daddy,

and how much he loves me so.

He loved to tell me stories

he taught me to ride my bike.

He surprised me with pink roses,

and taught me to fly a kite.

We used to share fudge sundaes,

and ice cream in a cone.

And though you cannot see him.

I'm not standing here alone.

"Cause my daddy's always with me,

even though we are apart

I know because he told me,

he'll forever be in my heart"

With that, her little hand reached up,

and lay across her chest.

Feeling her own heartbeat,

beneath her favourite dress.

And from somewhere here in the crowd of dads, her mother stood in tears.

Proudly watching her daughter,

who was wise beyond her years.

For she stood up for the love

of a man not in her life.

Doing what was best for her,

doing what was right.

And when she dropped her hand back down, staring straight into the crowd.

She finished with a voice so soft,

but its message clear and loud.

"I love my daddy very much,

he's my shining star.

And if he could, he'd be here,

but heaven's just too far

You see he was a fireman

and died just this past year

When airplanes hit the towers

and taught Americans to fear.

But sometimes when I close my eyes,

it's like he never went away."

And then she closed her eyes,

and she saw him there that day.

And to her mothers amazement,

she witnessed with surprise

A room full of daddies and children,

all starting to close their eyes.

Who knows what they saw before them,

who knows what they felt inside.

Perhaps for merely a second,

they saw him at her side.

"I know you're with me Daddy,"

to the silence she called out.

And what happened next made believers,

of those once filled with doubt.

Not one in that room could explain it,

for each of their eyes had been closed.

But there on the desk beside her,

was a fragrant long-stemmed pink rose.

And a child was blessed, if only for a moment,

by the love of her shining star.

And given the gift of believing,

that heaven is never too far.

They say it takes a minute to find a special

person, an hour to appreciate them,

a day to love them, but then an entire

life to forget them.

xxxx

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By *hatYorkLadMan over a year ago

York

I recently visited one of the major WW2 battlefields in Italy and paid my respects in the commonwealth, Polish and German cemeteries. The Germans may have been the enemy but they were all still just very young men sent there by politicians to fight for a madmans dreams.

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By *isaB45Woman over a year ago

Fabville

To All Who Served

To Those Who Returned, Broken

To Those Who Paid The Ultimate Sacrifice.

We Will Remember Them.

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By *lem-H-FandangoMan over a year ago

salisbury

"A lost generation. "

True, the best and brightest of Europe (Russia included) died in the mud. We're still recovering, on all sides.

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By *imiUKMan over a year ago

Hereford

As per the other thread. Especially directed at the pub nationalists that like to talk of glory and sacrifice;

Bent double, like old beggars under sacks,

Knock-kneed, coughing like hags, we cursed through sludge,

Till on the haunting flares we turned our backs,

And towards our distant rest began to trudge.

Men marched asleep. Many had lost their boots,

But limped on, blood-shod. All went lame; all blind;

D*unk with fatigue; deaf even to the hoots

Of gas-shells dropping softly behind.

Gas! GAS! Quick, boys!—An ecstasy of fumbling

Fitting the clumsy helmets just in time,

But someone still was yelling out and stumbling

And flound’ring like a man in fire or lime.—

Dim through the misty panes and thick green light,

As under a green sea, I saw him drowning.

In all my dreams before my helpless sight,

He plunges at me, guttering, choking, drowning.

If in some smothering dreams, you too could pace

Behind the wagon that we flung him in,

And watch the white eyes writhing in his face,

His hanging face, like a devil’s sick of sin;

If you could hear, at every jolt, the blood

Come gargling from the froth-corrupted lungs,

Obscene as cancer, bitter as the cud

Of vile, incurable sores on innocent tongues,—

My friend, you would not tell with such high zest

To children ardent for some desperate glory,

The old Lie: Dulce et decorum est

Pro patria mori.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Wilfred Owen

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

A total waste

All for greed and imperialism of the big countries.

People high up trying to show they are bigger and better.

The normal people of the world suffered.

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By *imiUKMan over a year ago

Hereford

I feel that now the last of the WW2 generation are dying out, people have forgotten them, the old men of my youth.

Some in blazers with medals, others who vowed never to wear millitary paraphanalia again, heads bowed in rememberence of the brutality of mechanised warfare, of total war and conscription. Modest, quiet, reflective.

Now there is an orgy of poppies everywhere, resplendant with guilded jingoism.

I wonder what those old men would think, how quickly we have forgotten.

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By *lem-H-FandangoMan over a year ago

salisbury

"I feel that now the last of the WW2 generation are dying out, people have forgotten them, the old men of my youth.

Now there is an orgy of poppies everywhere, resplendant with guilded jingoism.

I wonder what those old men would think, how quickly we have forgotten.

You think people wearing poppies shows that we've forgotten their sacrifice?

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By *hedevilwearspradaWoman over a year ago

Somewhere nearby

I’ve got connections to the armed forces, both personally and professionally, and will also be forever grateful to Headley Court, so an emotional time of year, as it is for many.

The Festival of Remembrance was brilliant, as usual.

We will remember them.

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By *imiUKMan over a year ago

Hereford

"I feel that now the last of the WW2 generation are dying out, people have forgotten them, the old men of my youth.

Now there is an orgy of poppies everywhere, resplendant with guilded jingoism.

I wonder what those old men would think, how quickly we have forgotten.

You think people wearing poppies shows that we've forgotten their sacrifice?"

No.

I think this new level of pomp that we are seeing around armastice day, the jingoism, the festival atmosphere all does though. It's not a fucking party.

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By *mp411Man over a year ago

chester

If I could I’d like to thank all our fallen warriors for giving their tomorrow......

So we all can enjoy our todays....

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By *irkydirkyMan over a year ago

Stevenage

"I feel that now the last of the WW2 generation are dying out, people have forgotten them, the old men of my youth.

Now there is an orgy of poppies everywhere, resplendant with guilded jingoism.

I wonder what those old men would think, how quickly we have forgotten.

You think people wearing poppies shows that we've forgotten their sacrifice?

No.

I think this new level of pomp that we are seeing around armastice day, the jingoism, the festival atmosphere all does though. It's not a fucking party. "

It’s a bank holiday in Poland..

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By *lem-H-FandangoMan over a year ago

salisbury

"I feel that now the last of the WW2 generation are dying out, people have forgotten them, the old men of my youth.

Now there is an orgy of poppies everywhere, resplendant with guilded jingoism.

I wonder what those old men would think, how quickly we have forgotten.

You think people wearing poppies shows that we've forgotten their sacrifice?

No.

I think this new level of pomp that we are seeing around armastice day, the jingoism, the festival atmosphere all does though. It's not a fucking party. "

I'm not seeing a festival atmosphere to be honest. Im not sure what its like in Totton, but it was business as usual in Southampton today.

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By *imiUKMan over a year ago

Hereford

"I feel that now the last of the WW2 generation are dying out, people have forgotten them, the old men of my youth.

Now there is an orgy of poppies everywhere, resplendant with guilded jingoism.

I wonder what those old men would think, how quickly we have forgotten.

You think people wearing poppies shows that we've forgotten their sacrifice?

No.

I think this new level of pomp that we are seeing around armastice day, the jingoism, the festival atmosphere all does though. It's not a fucking party.

I'm not seeing a festival atmosphere to be honest. Im not sure what its like in Totton, but it was business as usual in Southampton today. "

Not been to Salisbury of late?

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By *lem-H-FandangoMan over a year ago

salisbury

"I feel that now the last of the WW2 generation are dying out, people have forgotten them, the old men of my youth.

Now there is an orgy of poppies everywhere, resplendant with guilded jingoism.

I wonder what those old men would think, how quickly we have forgotten.

You think people wearing poppies shows that we've forgotten their sacrifice?

No.

I think this new level of pomp that we are seeing around armastice day, the jingoism, the festival atmosphere all does though. It's not a fucking party.

I'm not seeing a festival atmosphere to be honest. Im not sure what its like in Totton, but it was business as usual in Southampton today.

Not been to Salisbury of late?"

August. Why, what's happened?

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By *imiUKMan over a year ago

Hereford

"I feel that now the last of the WW2 generation are dying out, people have forgotten them, the old men of my youth.

Now there is an orgy of poppies everywhere, resplendant with guilded jingoism.

I wonder what those old men would think, how quickly we have forgotten.

You think people wearing poppies shows that we've forgotten their sacrifice?

No.

I think this new level of pomp that we are seeing around armastice day, the jingoism, the festival atmosphere all does though. It's not a fucking party.

I'm not seeing a festival atmosphere to be honest. Im not sure what its like in Totton, but it was business as usual in Southampton today.

Not been to Salisbury of late?

August. Why, what's happened?"

poppy obelisks, cathedral projections....

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

For my brother, for my father, for my Grandfather and his father before him....

I am proud of my military family, I was proud to wear their medals when I stood at the drum for the guard of honour.

Their sacrifices will mean so much for generations to come.

I will remember them x

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By *lem-H-FandangoMan over a year ago

salisbury

"I feel that now the last of the WW2 generation are dying out, people have forgotten them, the old men of my youth.

Now there is an orgy of poppies everywhere, resplendant with guilded jingoism.

I wonder what those old men would think, how quickly we have forgotten.

You think people wearing poppies shows that we've forgotten their sacrifice?

No.

I think this new level of pomp that we are seeing around armastice day, the jingoism, the festival atmosphere all does though. It's not a fucking party.

I'm not seeing a festival atmosphere to be honest. Im not sure what its like in Totton, but it was business as usual in Southampton today.

Not been to Salisbury of late?

August. Why, what's happened?

poppy obelisks, cathedral projections...."

So you're concerned by art, and use of modern technology to highlight something?

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By *imiUKMan over a year ago

Hereford

"I feel that now the last of the WW2 generation are dying out, people have forgotten them, the old men of my youth.

Now there is an orgy of poppies everywhere, resplendant with guilded jingoism.

I wonder what those old men would think, how quickly we have forgotten.

You think people wearing poppies shows that we've forgotten their sacrifice?

No.

I think this new level of pomp that we are seeing around armastice day, the jingoism, the festival atmosphere all does though. It's not a fucking party.

I'm not seeing a festival atmosphere to be honest. Im not sure what its like in Totton, but it was business as usual in Southampton today.

Not been to Salisbury of late?

August. Why, what's happened?

poppy obelisks, cathedral projections....

So you're concerned by art, and use of modern technology to highlight something?"

I'm concerned with the message, and it's implications. What next? Singing "land of Hope and Glory" before the minutes silence?

The Charge of the Light Brigade?

Henry V?

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By *hoenixAdAstraWoman over a year ago

Hiding in the shadows

War isn't pretty, it's bloody, it's brutal, it's ugly, it's violent, evil.

Hollywood films can glamorousise it, paint over the true horrors experienced or show the cold hard facts, educate future generations.

Whatever you're opinion....

Just remember, you live in a free country.

One that allows you to voice that opinion, because once upon a time, others made the greatest sacrifice, paid the ultimate price to keep this country free.

Be grateful.

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By *lem-H-FandangoMan over a year ago

salisbury

"I feel that now the last of the WW2 generation are dying out, people have forgotten them, the old men of my youth.

Now there is an orgy of poppies everywhere, resplendant with guilded jingoism.

I wonder what those old men would think, how quickly we have forgotten.

You think people wearing poppies shows that we've forgotten their sacrifice?

No.

I think this new level of pomp that we are seeing around armastice day, the jingoism, the festival atmosphere all does though. It's not a fucking party.

I'm not seeing a festival atmosphere to be honest. Im not sure what its like in Totton, but it was business as usual in Southampton today.

Not been to Salisbury of late?

August. Why, what's happened?

poppy obelisks, cathedral projections....

So you're concerned by art, and use of modern technology to highlight something?

I'm concerned with the message, and it's implications. What next? Singing "land of Hope and Glory" before the minutes silence?

The Charge of the Light Brigade?

Henry V?"

I think you're trying to politicise it. Some people are proud of their country. Leave them be.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"War isn't pretty, it's bloody, it's brutal, it's ugly, it's violent, evil.

Hollywood films can glamorousise it, paint over the true horrors experienced or show the cold hard facts, educate future generations.

Whatever you're opinion....

Just remember, you live in a free country.

One that allows you to voice that opinion, because once upon a time, others made the greatest sacrifice, paid the ultimate price to keep this country free.

Be grateful.

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By *un4meanduMan over a year ago

STOTFOLD

As per my remembrance thread that fizzled out.

There can never be enough said to honour all of our fallen , and all of those affected by the loss of loved ones through conflict if they be family,friend or part of the armed service family on this day .

WE WILL REMEMBER THEM

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By *irkydirkyMan over a year ago

Stevenage

"I feel that now the last of the WW2 generation are dying out, people have forgotten them, the old men of my youth.

Now there is an orgy of poppies everywhere, resplendant with guilded jingoism.

I wonder what those old men would think, how quickly we have forgotten.

You think people wearing poppies shows that we've forgotten their sacrifice?

No.

I think this new level of pomp that we are seeing around armastice day, the jingoism, the festival atmosphere all does though. It's not a fucking party.

I'm not seeing a festival atmosphere to be honest. Im not sure what its like in Totton, but it was business as usual in Southampton today.

Not been to Salisbury of late?

August. Why, what's happened?

poppy obelisks, cathedral projections....

So you're concerned by art, and use of modern technology to highlight something?

I'm concerned with the message, and it's implications. What next? Singing "land of Hope and Glory" before the minutes silence?

The Charge of the Light Brigade?

Henry V?"

Seems to have become a bit of a dick measuring competition as to which country can put on the biggest celebration for armitise day, from Japan to US

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By *heIcebreakersCouple over a year ago

Cramlington

"War isn't pretty, it's bloody, it's brutal, it's ugly, it's violent, evil.

Hollywood films can glamorousise it, paint over the true horrors experienced or show the cold hard facts, educate future generations.

Whatever you're opinion....

Just remember, you live in a free country.

One that allows you to voice that opinion, because once upon a time, others made the greatest sacrifice, paid the ultimate price to keep this country free.

Be grateful.

"
I keep hearing this line about the first great war being about freedom, but, actually, there was no real difference in terms of human rights between Germany and the UK in 1914. It wasn't a war about freedom but about the division of colonial spoils. That doesn't belittle the sacrifice of the people who fought, but it does highlight the way in which poppy fetishism is over-simplifying the reality of a war that was not about freedom or principle, but about money and dominion.

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By *lem-H-FandangoMan over a year ago

salisbury

"War isn't pretty, it's bloody, it's brutal, it's ugly, it's violent, evil.

Hollywood films can glamorousise it, paint over the true horrors experienced or show the cold hard facts, educate future generations.

Whatever you're opinion....

Just remember, you live in a free country.

One that allows you to voice that opinion, because once upon a time, others made the greatest sacrifice, paid the ultimate price to keep this country free.

Be grateful.

I keep hearing this line about the first great war being about freedom, but, actually, there was no real difference in terms of human rights between Germany and the UK in 1914. It wasn't a war about freedom but about the division of colonial spoils. That doesn't belittle the sacrifice of the people who fought, but it does highlight the way in which poppy fetishism is over-simplifying the reality of a war that was not about freedom or principle, but about money and dominion."

So it wasn't about the freedom of the French then?

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By *imiUKMan over a year ago

Hereford

"I feel that now the last of the WW2 generation are dying out, people have forgotten them, the old men of my youth.

Now there is an orgy of poppies everywhere, resplendant with guilded jingoism.

I wonder what those old men would think, how quickly we have forgotten.

You think people wearing poppies shows that we've forgotten their sacrifice?

No.

I think this new level of pomp that we are seeing around armastice day, the jingoism, the festival atmosphere all does though. It's not a fucking party.

I'm not seeing a festival atmosphere to be honest. Im not sure what its like in Totton, but it was business as usual in Southampton today.

Not been to Salisbury of late?

August. Why, what's happened?

poppy obelisks, cathedral projections....

So you're concerned by art, and use of modern technology to highlight something?

I'm concerned with the message, and it's implications. What next? Singing "land of Hope and Glory" before the minutes silence?

The Charge of the Light Brigade?

Henry V?

I think you're trying to politicise it. Some people are proud of their country. Leave them be."

When is war ever non-political?

Pride?

I refer you back to the closing lines of the poem:

"My friend, you would not tell with such high zest

To children ardent for some desperate glory,

The old Lie: Dulce et decorum est

Pro patria mori."

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By *lem-H-FandangoMan over a year ago

salisbury

"I feel that now the last of the WW2 generation are dying out, people have forgotten them, the old men of my youth.

Now there is an orgy of poppies everywhere, resplendant with guilded jingoism.

I wonder what those old men would think, how quickly we have forgotten.

You think people wearing poppies shows that we've forgotten their sacrifice?

No.

I think this new level of pomp that we are seeing around armastice day, the jingoism, the festival atmosphere all does though. It's not a fucking party.

I'm not seeing a festival atmosphere to be honest. Im not sure what its like in Totton, but it was business as usual in Southampton today.

Not been to Salisbury of late?

August. Why, what's happened?

poppy obelisks, cathedral projections....

So you're concerned by art, and use of modern technology to highlight something?

I'm concerned with the message, and it's implications. What next? Singing "land of Hope and Glory" before the minutes silence?

The Charge of the Light Brigade?

Henry V?

I think you're trying to politicise it. Some people are proud of their country. Leave them be.

When is war ever non-political?

Pride?

I refer you back to the closing lines of the poem:

"My friend, you would not tell with such high zest

To children ardent for some desperate glory,

The old Lie: Dulce et decorum est

Pro patria mori.""

Maybe when a poppy symbolises a loved one dying for a good reason. Even if it's to protect his best friend, or his mum at home.

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By *heIcebreakersCouple over a year ago

Cramlington

"War isn't pretty, it's bloody, it's brutal, it's ugly, it's violent, evil.

Hollywood films can glamorousise it, paint over the true horrors experienced or show the cold hard facts, educate future generations.

Whatever you're opinion....

Just remember, you live in a free country.

One that allows you to voice that opinion, because once upon a time, others made the greatest sacrifice, paid the ultimate price to keep this country free.

Be grateful.

So it wasn't about the freedom of the French then? "
No. Do some research. The French made an alliance with Russia that meant when Germany and Russia were at war, Germany and France were at war. Freedom was nothing to do with it.

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By *imiUKMan over a year ago

Hereford

"I feel that now the last of the WW2 generation are dying out, people have forgotten them, the old men of my youth.

Now there is an orgy of poppies everywhere, resplendant with guilded jingoism.

I wonder what those old men would think, how quickly we have forgotten.

You think people wearing poppies shows that we've forgotten their sacrifice?

No.

I think this new level of pomp that we are seeing around armastice day, the jingoism, the festival atmosphere all does though. It's not a fucking party.

I'm not seeing a festival atmosphere to be honest. Im not sure what its like in Totton, but it was business as usual in Southampton today.

Not been to Salisbury of late?

August. Why, what's happened?

poppy obelisks, cathedral projections....

So you're concerned by art, and use of modern technology to highlight something?

I'm concerned with the message, and it's implications. What next? Singing "land of Hope and Glory" before the minutes silence?

The Charge of the Light Brigade?

Henry V?

I think you're trying to politicise it. Some people are proud of their country. Leave them be.

When is war ever non-political?

Pride?

I refer you back to the closing lines of the poem:

"My friend, you would not tell with such high zest

To children ardent for some desperate glory,

The old Lie: Dulce et decorum est

Pro patria mori."

Maybe when a poppy symbolises a loved one dying for a good reason. Even if it's to protect his best friend, or his mum at home. "

Millions died, especially in WW1 for no good reason, which is precisely my point.

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By *lem-H-FandangoMan over a year ago

salisbury

"I feel that now the last of the WW2 generation are dying out, people have forgotten them, the old men of my youth.

Now there is an orgy of poppies everywhere, resplendant with guilded jingoism.

I wonder what those old men would think, how quickly we have forgotten.

You think people wearing poppies shows that we've forgotten their sacrifice?

No.

I think this new level of pomp that we are seeing around armastice day, the jingoism, the festival atmosphere all does though. It's not a fucking party.

I'm not seeing a festival atmosphere to be honest. Im not sure what its like in Totton, but it was business as usual in Southampton today.

Not been to Salisbury of late?

August. Why, what's happened?

poppy obelisks, cathedral projections....

So you're concerned by art, and use of modern technology to highlight something?

I'm concerned with the message, and it's implications. What next? Singing "land of Hope and Glory" before the minutes silence?

The Charge of the Light Brigade?

Henry V?

I think you're trying to politicise it. Some people are proud of their country. Leave them be.

When is war ever non-political?

Pride?

I refer you back to the closing lines of the poem:

"My friend, you would not tell with such high zest

To children ardent for some desperate glory,

The old Lie: Dulce et decorum est

Pro patria mori."

Maybe when a poppy symbolises a loved one dying for a good reason. Even if it's to protect his best friend, or his mum at home.

Millions died, especially in WW1 for no good reason, which is precisely my point. "

And you think people shouldn't make a fuss?!

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By *lem-H-FandangoMan over a year ago

salisbury

"War isn't pretty, it's bloody, it's brutal, it's ugly, it's violent, evil.

Hollywood films can glamorousise it, paint over the true horrors experienced or show the cold hard facts, educate future generations.

Whatever you're opinion....

Just remember, you live in a free country.

One that allows you to voice that opinion, because once upon a time, others made the greatest sacrifice, paid the ultimate price to keep this country free.

Be grateful.

So it wasn't about the freedom of the French then? No. Do some research. The French made an alliance with Russia that meant when Germany and Russia were at war, Germany and France were at war. Freedom was nothing to do with it."

Soooo, we should have let them get on with it?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

A thread full of futile words that can't bring back those who should have died of natural causes.

This celebration of war must end.

Ps. My great grandfather was grist for the mill in WW1 too.

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By *heIcebreakersCouple over a year ago

Cramlington

"War isn't pretty, it's bloody, it's brutal, it's ugly, it's violent, evil.

Hollywood films can glamorousise it, paint over the true horrors experienced or show the cold hard facts, educate future generations.

Whatever you're opinion....

Just remember, you live in a free country.

One that allows you to voice that opinion, because once upon a time, others made the greatest sacrifice, paid the ultimate price to keep this country free.

Be grateful.

Soooo, we should have let them get on with it?"
That's certainly an option that the British cabinet discussed at the time, and it's only because they decided Britain might be worse off if Germany won that they decided to intervene.

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By *lem-H-FandangoMan over a year ago

salisbury

"War isn't pretty, it's bloody, it's brutal, it's ugly, it's violent, evil.

Hollywood films can glamorousise it, paint over the true horrors experienced or show the cold hard facts, educate future generations.

Whatever you're opinion....

Just remember, you live in a free country.

One that allows you to voice that opinion, because once upon a time, others made the greatest sacrifice, paid the ultimate price to keep this country free.

Be grateful.

Soooo, we should have let them get on with it?That's certainly an option that the British cabinet discussed at the time, and it's only because they decided Britain might be worse off if Germany won that they decided to intervene."

So, that's a good thing?

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By *imiUKMan over a year ago

Hereford

"I feel that now the last of the WW2 generation are dying out, people have forgotten them, the old men of my youth.

Now there is an orgy of poppies everywhere, resplendant with guilded jingoism.

I wonder what those old men would think, how quickly we have forgotten.

You think people wearing poppies shows that we've forgotten their sacrifice?

No.

I think this new level of pomp that we are seeing around armastice day, the jingoism, the festival atmosphere all does though. It's not a fucking party.

I'm not seeing a festival atmosphere to be honest. Im not sure what its like in Totton, but it was business as usual in Southampton today.

Not been to Salisbury of late?

August. Why, what's happened?

poppy obelisks, cathedral projections....

So you're concerned by art, and use of modern technology to highlight something?

I'm concerned with the message, and it's implications. What next? Singing "land of Hope and Glory" before the minutes silence?

The Charge of the Light Brigade?

Henry V?

I think you're trying to politicise it. Some people are proud of their country. Leave them be.

When is war ever non-political?

Pride?

I refer you back to the closing lines of the poem:

"My friend, you would not tell with such high zest

To children ardent for some desperate glory,

The old Lie: Dulce et decorum est

Pro patria mori."

Maybe when a poppy symbolises a loved one dying for a good reason. Even if it's to protect his best friend, or his mum at home.

Millions died, especially in WW1 for no good reason, which is precisely my point.

And you think people shouldn't make a fuss?!"

Make a fuss?

Honestly, Clem, try actually reading what I've written.

The notion of using the squandering of the lives of a generation of young men who died for no cause other than imperial arrogance to further the cause of jingoistic nationalism is an utter betrayal.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

The notion of using the squandering of the lives of a generation of young men who died for no cause other than imperial arrogance to further the cause of jingoistic nationalism is an utter betrayal."

Agreed...and in my 33 years I had never even heard of this poppy thing until this year.

Coincidence or a hint of what's to come?

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By *imiUKMan over a year ago

Hereford

The notion of using the squandering of the lives of a generation of young men who died for no cause other than imperial arrogance to further the cause of jingoistic nationalism is an utter betrayal.

Agreed...and in my 33 years I had never even heard of this poppy thing until this year.

Coincidence or a hint of what's to come?"

Fuck knows, but to quote Harry Leslie Smith:

"Instead of wearing a poppy for #Remembrance2018 we should wear our shame because as a human race we've learned nothing since 1918."

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By *lem-H-FandangoMan over a year ago

salisbury

"I feel that now the last of the WW2 generation are dying out, people have forgotten them, the old men of my youth.

Now there is an orgy of poppies everywhere, resplendant with guilded jingoism.

I wonder what those old men would think, how quickly we have forgotten.

You think people wearing poppies shows that we've forgotten their sacrifice?

No.

I think this new level of pomp that we are seeing around armastice day, the jingoism, the festival atmosphere all does though. It's not a fucking party.

I'm not seeing a festival atmosphere to be honest. Im not sure what its like in Totton, but it was business as usual in Southampton today.

Not been to Salisbury of late?

August. Why, what's happened?

poppy obelisks, cathedral projections....

So you're concerned by art, and use of modern technology to highlight something?

I'm concerned with the message, and it's implications. What next? Singing "land of Hope and Glory" before the minutes silence?

The Charge of the Light Brigade?

Henry V?

I think you're trying to politicise it. Some people are proud of their country. Leave them be.

When is war ever non-political?

Pride?

I refer you back to the closing lines of the poem:

"My friend, you would not tell with such high zest

To children ardent for some desperate glory,

The old Lie: Dulce et decorum est

Pro patria mori."

Maybe when a poppy symbolises a loved one dying for a good reason. Even if it's to protect his best friend, or his mum at home.

Millions died, especially in WW1 for no good reason, which is precisely my point.

And you think people shouldn't make a fuss?!

Make a fuss?

Honestly, Clem, try actually reading what I've written.

The notion of using the squandering of the lives of a generation of young men who died for no cause other than imperial arrogance to further the cause of jingoistic nationalism is an utter betrayal."

The problem here is that you think the poppy is purely for WW1. Its not. Leave you political views at the door, and say thanks to the people who died so that you can moan about it.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I'm finding the obsession and complete over kill of poppies this year a bit sickening.

I don't think there is need for it. We can respect the war dead without the collective show of emotion.

Ww1 was a complete f up

Nothing to do with freedom

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By *imiUKMan over a year ago

Hereford

"I feel that now the last of the WW2 generation are dying out, people have forgotten them, the old men of my youth.

Now there is an orgy of poppies everywhere, resplendant with guilded jingoism.

I wonder what those old men would think, how quickly we have forgotten.

You think people wearing poppies shows that we've forgotten their sacrifice?

No.

I think this new level of pomp that we are seeing around armastice day, the jingoism, the festival atmosphere all does though. It's not a fucking party.

I'm not seeing a festival atmosphere to be honest. Im not sure what its like in Totton, but it was business as usual in Southampton today.

Not been to Salisbury of late?

August. Why, what's happened?

poppy obelisks, cathedral projections....

So you're concerned by art, and use of modern technology to highlight something?

I'm concerned with the message, and it's implications. What next? Singing "land of Hope and Glory" before the minutes silence?

The Charge of the Light Brigade?

Henry V?

I think you're trying to politicise it. Some people are proud of their country. Leave them be.

When is war ever non-political?

Pride?

I refer you back to the closing lines of the poem:

"My friend, you would not tell with such high zest

To children ardent for some desperate glory,

The old Lie: Dulce et decorum est

Pro patria mori."

Maybe when a poppy symbolises a loved one dying for a good reason. Even if it's to protect his best friend, or his mum at home.

Millions died, especially in WW1 for no good reason, which is precisely my point.

And you think people shouldn't make a fuss?!

Make a fuss?

Honestly, Clem, try actually reading what I've written.

The notion of using the squandering of the lives of a generation of young men who died for no cause other than imperial arrogance to further the cause of jingoistic nationalism is an utter betrayal.

The problem here is that you think the poppy is purely for WW1. Its not. Leave you political views at the door, and say thanks to the people who died so that you can moan about it."

No. Learn to read.

This year, given that this is the centenary of the end of WW1, that is where the focus has been.

Again, war is always political. It is impossible to leave politics out of it.

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By *lem-H-FandangoMan over a year ago

salisbury

"I'm finding the obsession and complete over kill of poppies this year a bit sickening.

I don't think there is need for it. We can respect the war dead without the collective show of emotion.

Ww1 was a complete f up

Nothing to do with freedom"

Nearly 20,000 British dead on day one of the battle of the Somme. You're absolutely right, how dare anyone show "emotion".

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By *lem-H-FandangoMan over a year ago

salisbury

"I feel that now the last of the WW2 generation are dying out, people have forgotten them, the old men of my youth.

Now there is an orgy of poppies everywhere, resplendant with guilded jingoism.

I wonder what those old men would think, how quickly we have forgotten.

You think people wearing poppies shows that we've forgotten their sacrifice?

No.

I think this new level of pomp that we are seeing around armastice day, the jingoism, the festival atmosphere all does though. It's not a fucking party.

I'm not seeing a festival atmosphere to be honest. Im not sure what its like in Totton, but it was business as usual in Southampton today.

Not been to Salisbury of late?

August. Why, what's happened?

poppy obelisks, cathedral projections....

So you're concerned by art, and use of modern technology to highlight something?

I'm concerned with the message, and it's implications. What next? Singing "land of Hope and Glory" before the minutes silence?

The Charge of the Light Brigade?

Henry V?

I think you're trying to politicise it. Some people are proud of their country. Leave them be.

When is war ever non-political?

Pride?

I refer you back to the closing lines of the poem:

"My friend, you would not tell with such high zest

To children ardent for some desperate glory,

The old Lie: Dulce et decorum est

Pro patria mori."

Maybe when a poppy symbolises a loved one dying for a good reason. Even if it's to protect his best friend, or his mum at home.

Millions died, especially in WW1 for no good reason, which is precisely my point.

And you think people shouldn't make a fuss?!

Make a fuss?

Honestly, Clem, try actually reading what I've written.

The notion of using the squandering of the lives of a generation of young men who died for no cause other than imperial arrogance to further the cause of jingoistic nationalism is an utter betrayal.

The problem here is that you think the poppy is purely for WW1. Its not. Leave you political views at the door, and say thanks to the people who died so that you can moan about it.

No. Learn to read.

This year, given that this is the centenary of the end of WW1, that is where the focus has been.

Again, war is always political. It is impossible to leave politics out of it. "

So would you prefer that the marking of the centenary was a much more "low key" affair? Maybe a commemorative recipe collection in the Guardian Sunday supplement? Or a "lest we forget" knitting pattern? How would you celebrate the service of your family members? Obviously so it doesn't annoy anyone, that goes without saying.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I'm finding the obsession and complete over kill of poppies this year a bit sickening.

I don't think there is need for it. We can respect the war dead without the collective show of emotion.

Ww1 was a complete f up

Nothing to do with freedom

Nearly 20,000 British dead on day one of the battle of the Somme. You're absolutely right, how dare anyone show "emotion"."

If that's the case...

1. Virtually no one who was on planet earth in 1918 would be alive now anyway ...it's only emotional if you make it

2. Why the emphasis on British...be big and respect all life.

3. Everyone is forgotten eventually (Jesus h crist might get a hallpass).

4. I'd prefer a coherent national anti-war prevention effort over a tokenistic remembering of those who are are already dead and would be anyway

Does anyone else fear that this just glorifies war...pride, rememberance...great emotions to sell?

To be respected and remembered is one of our highest motivations. Shakespeare knew that.

It's curious why this poppy thing is generally louder this year.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Celebrating is the wrong word for the untimely death of good men.

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By *lem-H-FandangoMan over a year ago

salisbury

"I'm finding the obsession and complete over kill of poppies this year a bit sickening.

I don't think there is need for it. We can respect the war dead without the collective show of emotion.

Ww1 was a complete f up

Nothing to do with freedom

Nearly 20,000 British dead on day one of the battle of the Somme. You're absolutely right, how dare anyone show "emotion".

If that's the case...

1. Virtually no one who was on planet earth in 1918 would be alive now anyway ...it's only emotional if you make it

2. Why the emphasis on British...be big and respect all life.

3. Everyone is forgotten eventually (Jesus h crist might get a hallpass).

4. I'd prefer a coherent national anti-war prevention effort over a tokenistic remembering of those who are are already dead and would be anyway

Does anyone else fear that this just glorifies war...pride, rememberance...great emotions to sell?

To be respected and remembered is one of our highest motivations. Shakespeare knew that.

It's curious why this poppy thing is generally louder this year.

It's not really "curious" when it's the centenary, is it?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Yes but the poppy isn't specifically about WW1...right?

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By *lem-H-FandangoMan over a year ago

salisbury

"Yes but the poppy isn't specifically about WW1...right?"

But you think its "curious" that there's a bit of a fuss...its probably a conspiracy, right?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Yes but the poppy isn't specifically about WW1...right?

But you think its "curious" that there's a bit of a fuss...its probably a conspiracy, right?"

It makes sense, fair enough.

What about my other points?

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By *irkydirkyMan over a year ago

Stevenage

"Yes but the poppy isn't specifically about WW1...right?

But you think its "curious" that there's a bit of a fuss...its probably a conspiracy, right?

It makes sense, fair enough.

What about my other points?

He has a point, it’s not the Poppy Day centenary, so basically the British legion poppy sellers are just jumping on the centenary day bandwagon

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By *lem-H-FandangoMan over a year ago

salisbury

"Yes but the poppy isn't specifically about WW1...right?

But you think its "curious" that there's a bit of a fuss...its probably a conspiracy, right?

It makes sense, fair enough.

What about my other points?

So, you're wondering why in Britain, we're focusing on remembering those people of Britain and its commonwealth countries, that have died in warfare? You think we shouldn't because everyone dies. You think pride, and remembrance are some how bad things?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Yes but the poppy isn't specifically about WW1...right?

But you think its "curious" that there's a bit of a fuss...its probably a conspiracy, right?

It makes sense, fair enough.

What about my other points?

Exactly

Rememberance in the right context is harmless but pointless.

Pride is a slippery slope. What's there to be proud of? The massacre of innocent people...proud that they had the balls to be slain?

Anyway the poppy is supposedly to honour all life's in all wars, you are just showing your nationalistic bias.

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By *lem-H-FandangoMan over a year ago

salisbury

"Yes but the poppy isn't specifically about WW1...right?

But you think its "curious" that there's a bit of a fuss...its probably a conspiracy, right?

It makes sense, fair enough.

What about my other points?

Exactly

Rememberance in the right context is harmless but pointless.

Pride is a slippery slope. What's there to be proud of? The massacre of innocent people...proud that they had the balls to be slain?

Anyway the poppy is supposedly to honour all life's in all wars, you are just showing your nationalistic bias. "

Whereas you are showing your ignorance.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Whereas you are showing your ignorance. "

Yeah yeah, I think you'll find it's clear and more objective thinking since I wasn't raised in a country that promotes this stuff. Argue the points please.

How do Germans remember their fallen out of interest?

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By *lem-H-FandangoMan over a year ago

salisbury

Whereas you are showing your ignorance.

Yeah yeah, I think you'll find it's clear and more objective thinking since I wasn't raised in a country that promotes this stuff. Argue the points please.

How do Germans remember their fallen out of interest?

I don't know if you've never heard of Google either, but here's a link that might help you.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn.com/cnn/2018/11/09/europe/world-war-one-centenary-germany-intl/index.html

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By *lem-H-FandangoMan over a year ago

salisbury

Whereas you are showing your ignorance.

Yeah yeah, I think you'll find it's clear and more objective thinking since I wasn't raised in a country that promotes this stuff. Argue the points please.

How do Germans remember their fallen out of interest?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"in Germany the day is remembered in muted self reflection"

I'd argue that the German soldiers should be equally remembered....ideally by the other sides....as a show of peace and solidarity...were their men not equally the victims of ideology and propaganda and conscription?

Read what Jordan Peterson has to say when he talks of the gulag archipelago and how easy it is to turn good men into monsters.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Whereas you are showing your ignorance.

Yeah yeah, I think you'll find it's clear and more objective thinking since I wasn't raised in a country that promotes this stuff. Argue the points please.

How do Germans remember their fallen out of interest?

Nothing to pacify a nation like a good genocidal famine.

I do realise that...my great grandfather was involved but I don't let that taint my reasoning.

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By *inkerbell67Woman over a year ago

Clacton on sea essex

Simon KiA in Iraq,gone never forgotten....xxx

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By *lem-H-FandangoMan over a year ago

salisbury

Whereas you are showing your ignorance.

Yeah yeah, I think you'll find it's clear and more objective thinking since I wasn't raised in a country that promotes this stuff. Argue the points please.

How do Germans remember their fallen out of interest?

Nothing to pacify a nation like a good genocidal famine.

I do realise that...my great grandfather was involved but I don't let that taint my reasoning."

I'm sure he'd be very proud of how you want his contribution forgotten.

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By *lem-H-FandangoMan over a year ago

salisbury

Whereas you are showing your ignorance.

Yeah yeah, I think you'll find it's clear and more objective thinking since I wasn't raised in a country that promotes this stuff. Argue the points please.

How do Germans remember their fallen out of interest?

Nothing to pacify a nation like a good genocidal famine.

I do realise that...my great grandfather was involved but I don't let that taint my reasoning."

Excuse my ignorance, but why bring the famine into it?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Whereas you are showing your ignorance.

Yeah yeah, I think you'll find it's clear and more objective thinking since I wasn't raised in a country that promotes this stuff. Argue the points please.

How do Germans remember their fallen out of interest?

Nothing to pacify a nation like a good genocidal famine.

I do realise that...my great grandfather was involved but I don't let that taint my reasoning.

Excuse my ignorance, but why bring the famine into it?"

Just a passing thought, maybe something to dampen the nationalistic pride.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I'm sure he'd be very proud of how you want his contribution forgotten. "

I never knew the man, in any case he is dead and that sort of low level guilt tripping might work for some people but I see right through it.

I'd argue that he was just a victim of the times.

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By *lem-H-FandangoMan over a year ago

salisbury

Whereas you are showing your ignorance.

Yeah yeah, I think you'll find it's clear and more objective thinking since I wasn't raised in a country that promotes this stuff. Argue the points please.

How do Germans remember their fallen out of interest?

Nothing to pacify a nation like a good genocidal famine.

I do realise that...my great grandfather was involved but I don't let that taint my reasoning.

Excuse my ignorance, but why bring the famine into it?

Just a passing thought, maybe something to dampen the nationalistic pride. "

"Nationalistic pride"?

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By *lem-H-FandangoMan over a year ago

salisbury

I'm sure he'd be very proud of how you want his contribution forgotten.

I never knew the man, in any case he is dead and that sort of low level guilt tripping might work for some people but I see right through it.

I'd argue that he was just a victim of the times."

As they all were...

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Nationalistic pride"? "

Yes...your emphasis on British soldiers when it's for all allies as one example.

The dogs in the street know that this has adopted a more nationalistic tone this year due to the political climate.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I'm sure he'd be very proud of how you want his contribution forgotten.

I never knew the man, in any case he is dead and that sort of low level guilt tripping might work for some people but I see right through it.

I'd argue that he was just a victim of the times.

As they all were..."

So we aren't really celebrating at all then are we?

War is serious and somber and shouldn't be dressed in all this bravery guff...it's not Hollywood as someone above said.

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By *lem-H-FandangoMan over a year ago

salisbury

"Nationalistic pride"?

Yes...your emphasis on British soldiers when it's for all allies as one example.

The dogs in the street know that this has adopted a more nationalistic tone this year due to the political climate. "

Well obviously you know the French have their own thing? And you know that Ireland was part of Britain at the time so that's why the poppy is for both. You know all that, obviously. However I'm no dog.

Here's a link that might help you.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-15637074

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By *lem-H-FandangoMan over a year ago

salisbury

I'm sure he'd be very proud of how you want his contribution forgotten.

I never knew the man, in any case he is dead and that sort of low level guilt tripping might work for some people but I see right through it.

I'd argue that he was just a victim of the times.

As they all were...

So we aren't really celebrating at all then are we?

War is serious and somber and shouldn't be dressed in all this bravery guff...it's not Hollywood as someone above said. "

I guess that's why it's called remembrance Sunday, not celebratory Sunday.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Clem, you used the word celebration and Ireland was very reluctantly "part" of Britain.

So much a "part" that millions were allowed to starve to a long and brutal death just 70 years before.

You are talking out of both sides of your mouth on this subject.

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By *lem-H-FandangoMan over a year ago

salisbury

"Clem, you used the word celebration and Ireland was very reluctantly "part" of Britain.

So much a "part" that millions were allowed to starve to a long and brutal death just 70 years before.

You are talking out of both sides of your mouth on this subject. "

Well, actually you called it a celebration of war, and i called it the celebration of the service of a family member. Not quite the same thing really.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Sure

Anyway I've made my points and you've poorly defended yours - sarcasm is never a strong argument.

I'll wrap this up with offering my respect and condolence to all who lost loved ones.

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By *lem-H-FandangoMan over a year ago

salisbury

"Sure

Anyway I've made my points and you've poorly defended yours - sarcasm is never a strong argument.

I'll wrap this up with offering my respect and condolence to all who lost loved ones. "

That's the spirit! I knew you'd come around!

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By *ophieslutTV/TS over a year ago

Central

It was great that French and German leaders came together today, in tribute to the fallen.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Whereas you are showing your ignorance.

Yeah yeah, I think you'll find it's clear and more objective thinking since I wasn't raised in a country that promotes this stuff. Argue the points please.

How do Germans remember their fallen out of interest?

Nothing to pacify a nation like a good genocidal famine.

I do realise that...my great grandfather was involved but I don't let that taint my reasoning.

Excuse my ignorance, but why bring the famine into it?"
Oh Mother of Sweet Jesus..The Thread here was to pay respect to the fallen..And it takes a fellow Irish man to stir it up

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By *abs..Woman over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Clem, you used the word celebration and Ireland was very reluctantly "part" of Britain.

So much a "part" that millions were allowed to starve to a long and brutal death just 70 years before.

You are talking out of both sides of your mouth on this subject. "
For the love of God,as you would know at least 50% of the Free State Army in 1923 we're made up of Ex-RMF...So Christ on a bike,do you want to rake shite going back a century.

?I'm sorry but having family members on both sides of the coin,I personally find your comment very disrespectful..

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Clem, you used the word celebration and Ireland was very reluctantly "part" of Britain.

So much a "part" that millions were allowed to starve to a long and brutal death just 70 years before.

You are talking out of both sides of your mouth on this subject. "
Now now..As a fellow Irish man who has proud roots on the RMF/RIC side & yes on the Republican side,I do not think this is the right time to be arguing.. It's the forum to pay respect to the fallen..

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Whereas you are showing your ignorance.

Yeah yeah, I think you'll find it's clear and more objective thinking since I wasn't raised in a country that promotes this stuff. Argue the points please.

How do Germans remember their fallen out of interest?

Nothing to pacify a nation like a good genocidal famine.

I do realise that...my great grandfather was involved but I don't let that taint my reasoning.

Excuse my ignorance, but why bring the famine into it?"

Well said..For the love of Jesus,I'm actually embarrassed that a fellow Irish man,as far as I'm concerned,was stirring up shite on such an occasion

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Whereas you are showing your ignorance.

Yeah yeah, I think you'll find it's clear and more objective thinking since I wasn't raised in a country that promotes this stuff. Argue the points please.

How do Germans remember their fallen out of interest?

Of course, us brits are jealous that we weren't raised in such a peace loving nation as Ireland. However you do realise that the poppy symbolises the sacrifice of Irish soldiers during WW1 just as much as any other allied country?"
Sorry mate. I actually do take offense to your comment. Read it back. Think about what you said. I'll wear the poppy proud as will my Ex-PDF members whon are nursing with me fein now

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By *rivateparts!Man over a year ago

Walking down the only road I've ever known!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Whereas you are showing your ignorance.

Yeah yeah, I think you'll find it's clear and more objective thinking since I wasn't raised in a country that promotes this stuff. Argue the points please.

How do Germans remember their fallen out of interest?

Of course, us brits are jealous that we weren't raised in such a peace loving nation as Ireland. However you do realise that the poppy symbolises the sacrifice of Irish soldiers during WW1 just as much as any other allied country?"
Sweet Christ..So my Grand Uncle in the RMF survived Gallipoli,to be killed in the Somme in 16 bringing a British Officer over his shoulder back to safety & you've the cheek to post what you said?

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By *isaB45Woman over a year ago

Fabville

Can people please show some dignity and respect here.

This is not a political thread; there is a whole forum dedicated to that.

This thread is dedicated to the thankful remembrance of those service personnel who died while serving their country, then and now.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Can people please show some dignity and respect here.

This is not a political thread; there is a whole forum dedicated to that.

This thread is dedicated to the thankful remembrance of those service personnel who died while serving their country, then and now.

"
I'll take it that was directed at me whom has shown nothing BUT respect to past/ current Soldiers..Read the posts above.

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By *eeBee67Man over a year ago

Masked and Distant

Will be on parade today, as every year. Remembering.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Will be on parade today, as every year. Remembering.

"
Respect

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By *udistnorthantsMan over a year ago

Desborough

I've been given the honour of announcing the 2 Minutes Silence on the PA system at work this morning. .. no pressure

Medals all shined up yesterday and on my blazer...

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By *ong legs n LingeireWoman over a year ago

it up to me neck. :-)

Lest we forget.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I'm not a massive wordsmith and through tears I write this but later on today at my local church my eldest son will be placing a candle and poppy at one of our war graves its good to see one so young full of pride and duty im so proud of everyone who is paying there respects today

Lest we forget

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Salute

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By *gnitemybodyWoman over a year ago

Onestepoutofthedoor

"Can people please show some dignity and respect here.

This is not a political thread; there is a whole forum dedicated to that.

This thread is dedicated to the thankful remembrance of those service personnel who died while serving their country, then and now.

I'll take it that was directed at me whom has shown nothing BUT respect to past/ current Soldiers..Read the posts above.

I may be wrong but I'm not sure it was.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I live very close to the National Memorial Arboretum. There is no glorification, there is respect. There is sorrow.

We may be a hundred years on now but it is still alive in people's minds and hearts.

My 86 year old client was talking to my 5 year old daughter last week, about how her father was on the Passchendaele Road serving as a medic.

And my daughter has been learning about it in school, as well, saying that her daddy was in the army- she already knows about the sacrifices, it isn't glorification to wear a poppy.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I listen for him through the rain,

And in the dusk of starless hours

I know that he will come again;

Loth was he ever to forsake me:

He comes with glimmering of flowers

And stir of music to awake me.

Spirit of purity, he stands

As once he lived in charm and grace:

I may not hold him with my hands,

Nor bid him stay to heal my sorrow;

Only his fair, unshadowed face

Abides with me until to-morrow.

by Siegfried Sassoon

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Today i remember all our war dead but i always think about a good friend of mine who died while we were on duty in Northern Ireland.

Forever 20 years old and missed by all his family and friends.

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By *orny IrishMan over a year ago

Rural Wiltshire

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Im going to the remembrance service in Southampton City Centre at 10:30.

The least we can do is pay our respects.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Im going to the remembrance service in Southampton City Centre at 10:30.

The least we can do is pay our respects. "

I knew some great soldiers from the Royal Hampshire Regiment when i was attached to the 1st battalion for a tour of NI. Nobody fought harder than the Tigers in both world wars. 7580 Hampshire men were lost in World war 1. There blood turned the sea red at Gallipoli but still they thought on. Respect to them and all our fallen.

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By *irkydirkyMan over a year ago

Stevenage

Remember the fallen from all sides and all wars surely, but would the honourable way to remember them not be to stop this dick waving war hungry flag from continuing its trail of terror on the world..

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By *heIcebreakersCouple over a year ago

Cramlington

"War isn't pretty, it's bloody, it's brutal, it's ugly, it's violent, evil.

Hollywood films can glamorousise it, paint over the true horrors experienced or show the cold hard facts, educate future generations.

Whatever you're opinion....

Just remember, you live in a free country.

One that allows you to voice that opinion, because once upon a time, others made the greatest sacrifice, paid the ultimate price to keep this country free.

Be grateful.

So, that's a good thing?"
You're the one backing the claim that it was a war for freedom. I'm pointing out it was slightly more nuanced than that. That's all....

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Whereas you are showing your ignorance.

Yeah yeah, I think you'll find it's clear and more objective thinking since I wasn't raised in a country that promotes this stuff. Argue the points please.

How do Germans remember their fallen out of interest?

Nothing to pacify a nation like a good genocidal famine.

I do realise that...my great grandfather was involved but I don't let that taint my reasoning.

Excuse my ignorance, but why bring the famine into it?

Well said..For the love of Jesus,I'm actually embarrassed that a fellow Irish man,as far as I'm concerned,was stirring up shite on such an occasion

It shows how myopic this all is...you want respect for one lot of dead people killed in battle and not another lot.

People who died in the famine were also war victims.

I'm far from being a republican but it's important to seek a sense of perspective in all things.

Millions slowly dying of starvation while tonnes of irish grain and meat were exported back to the UK. Just imagine that for a minute and equally pay some respect.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

love to all

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

Back in from a very moving parade

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By *heIcebreakersCouple over a year ago

Cramlington

Given the tone of some of the debate, I'll just leave this here - it's a quote from Sir Tasker Watkins, VC.

"I did what needed doing to help colleagues and friends, just as others looked out for me during the fighting that summer… I didn't wake up the next day a better or braver person, just different. I'd seen more killing and death in 24 hours - indeed been part of that terrible process - than is right for anybody. From that point onwards I have tried to take a more caring view of my fellow human beings, and that, of course, always includes your opponent, whether it be in war, sport or just life generally."

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Whereas you are showing your ignorance.

Yeah yeah, I think you'll find it's clear and more objective thinking since I wasn't raised in a country that promotes this stuff. Argue the points please.

How do Germans remember their fallen out of interest?

Nothing to pacify a nation like a good genocidal famine.

I do realise that...my great grandfather was involved but I don't let that taint my reasoning.

Excuse my ignorance, but why bring the famine into it?

Well said..For the love of Jesus,I'm actually embarrassed that a fellow Irish man,as far as I'm concerned,was stirring up shite on such an occasion

It shows how myopic this all is...you want respect for one lot of dead people killed in battle and not another lot.

People who died in the famine were also war victims.

I'm far from being a republican but it's important to seek a sense of perspective in all things.

Millions slowly dying of starvation while tonnes of irish grain and meat were exported back to the UK. Just imagine that for a minute and equally pay some respect. "

Another time, perhaps

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By *rue ReflectionsWoman over a year ago

Hometown

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By *eesideMan over a year ago

margate sumwear by the sea

"A thread of anything you feel like posting in Honour of our Fallen and to those currently serving in our armed forces. Stay safe wherever you are and "Lest We Forget"

Daddy's Day

Her hair was up in a pony tail,

her favourite dress tied with a bow.

Today was Daddy's Day at school,

and she couldn't wait to go.

But her mommy tried to tell her,

that she probably should stay home.

Why the kids might not understand,

if she went to school alone.

But she was not afraid; she knew just what to say. What to tell her classmates of why he wasn't there today.

But still her mother worried,

for her to face this day alone.

And that was why once again,

she tried to keep her daughter home.

But the little girl went to school

eager to tell them all.

About a dad she never sees;

a dad who never calls.

There were daddies along the wall in back, for everyone to meet.

Children squirming impatiently,

anxious in their seats

One by one the teacher called a student from the class. To introduce their daddy, as seconds slowly passed.

At last the teacher called her name,

every child turned to stare.

Each of them was searching,

for a man who wasn't there.

"Where's her daddy at?"

she heard a boy call out.

"She probably doesn't have one,"

another student dared to shout.

And from somewhere near the back,

she heard a daddy say,

"Looks like another deadbeat dad,

too busy to waste his day."

The words did not offend her,

as she smiled up at her Mom.

And looked back at her teacher,

who told her to go on.

And with hands behind her back,

slowly she began to speak.

And out from the mouth of a child,

came words incredibly unique.

"My Daddy couldn't be here,

because he lives so far away.

But I know he wishes he could be,

since this is such a special day.

And though you cannot meet him,

I wanted you to know.

All about my daddy,

and how much he loves me so.

He loved to tell me stories

he taught me to ride my bike.

He surprised me with pink roses,

and taught me to fly a kite.

We used to share fudge sundaes,

and ice cream in a cone.

And though you cannot see him.

I'm not standing here alone.

"Cause my daddy's always with me,

even though we are apart

I know because he told me,

he'll forever be in my heart"

With that, her little hand reached up,

and lay across her chest.

Feeling her own heartbeat,

beneath her favourite dress.

And from somewhere here in the crowd of dads, her mother stood in tears.

Proudly watching her daughter,

who was wise beyond her years.

For she stood up for the love

of a man not in her life.

Doing what was best for her,

doing what was right.

And when she dropped her hand back down, staring straight into the crowd.

She finished with a voice so soft,

but its message clear and loud.

"I love my daddy very much,

he's my shining star.

And if he could, he'd be here,

but heaven's just too far

You see he was a fireman

and died just this past year

When airplanes hit the towers

and taught Americans to fear.

But sometimes when I close my eyes,

it's like he never went away."

And then she closed her eyes,

and she saw him there that day.

And to her mothers amazement,

she witnessed with surprise

A room full of daddies and children,

all starting to close their eyes.

Who knows what they saw before them,

who knows what they felt inside.

Perhaps for merely a second,

they saw him at her side.

"I know you're with me Daddy,"

to the silence she called out.

And what happened next made believers,

of those once filled with doubt.

Not one in that room could explain it,

for each of their eyes had been closed.

But there on the desk beside her,

was a fragrant long-stemmed pink rose.

And a child was blessed, if only for a moment,

by the love of her shining star.

And given the gift of believing,

that heaven is never too far.

They say it takes a minute to find a special

person, an hour to appreciate them,

a day to love them, but then an entire

life to forget them.

xxxx"

That's lovely.

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By *lem-H-FandangoMan over a year ago

salisbury

"Given the tone of some of the debate, I'll just leave this here - it's a quote from Sir Tasker Watkins, VC.

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By *uicylucy76Woman over a year ago

thornton cleveleys

"A thread of anything you feel like posting in Honour of our Fallen and to those currently serving in our armed forces. Stay safe wherever you are and "Lest We Forget"

Daddy's Day

Her hair was up in a pony tail,

her favourite dress tied with a bow.

Today was Daddy's Day at school,

and she couldn't wait to go.

But her mommy tried to tell her,

that she probably should stay home.

Why the kids might not understand,

if she went to school alone.

But she was not afraid; she knew just what to say. What to tell her classmates of why he wasn't there today.

But still her mother worried,

for her to face this day alone.

And that was why once again,

she tried to keep her daughter home.

But the little girl went to school

eager to tell them all.

About a dad she never sees;

a dad who never calls.

There were daddies along the wall in back, for everyone to meet.

Children squirming impatiently,

anxious in their seats

One by one the teacher called a student from the class. To introduce their daddy, as seconds slowly passed.

At last the teacher called her name,

every child turned to stare.

Each of them was searching,

for a man who wasn't there.

"Where's her daddy at?"

she heard a boy call out.

"She probably doesn't have one,"

another student dared to shout.

And from somewhere near the back,

she heard a daddy say,

"Looks like another deadbeat dad,

too busy to waste his day."

The words did not offend her,

as she smiled up at her Mom.

And looked back at her teacher,

who told her to go on.

And with hands behind her back,

slowly she began to speak.

And out from the mouth of a child,

came words incredibly unique.

"My Daddy couldn't be here,

because he lives so far away.

But I know he wishes he could be,

since this is such a special day.

And though you cannot meet him,

I wanted you to know.

All about my daddy,

and how much he loves me so.

He loved to tell me stories

he taught me to ride my bike.

He surprised me with pink roses,

and taught me to fly a kite.

We used to share fudge sundaes,

and ice cream in a cone.

And though you cannot see him.

I'm not standing here alone.

"Cause my daddy's always with me,

even though we are apart

I know because he told me,

he'll forever be in my heart"

With that, her little hand reached up,

and lay across her chest.

Feeling her own heartbeat,

beneath her favourite dress.

And from somewhere here in the crowd of dads, her mother stood in tears.

Proudly watching her daughter,

who was wise beyond her years.

For she stood up for the love

of a man not in her life.

Doing what was best for her,

doing what was right.

And when she dropped her hand back down, staring straight into the crowd.

She finished with a voice so soft,

but its message clear and loud.

"I love my daddy very much,

he's my shining star.

And if he could, he'd be here,

but heaven's just too far

You see he was a fireman

and died just this past year

When airplanes hit the towers

and taught Americans to fear.

But sometimes when I close my eyes,

it's like he never went away."

And then she closed her eyes,

and she saw him there that day.

And to her mothers amazement,

she witnessed with surprise

A room full of daddies and children,

all starting to close their eyes.

Who knows what they saw before them,

who knows what they felt inside.

Perhaps for merely a second,

they saw him at her side.

"I know you're with me Daddy,"

to the silence she called out.

And what happened next made believers,

of those once filled with doubt.

Not one in that room could explain it,

for each of their eyes had been closed.

But there on the desk beside her,

was a fragrant long-stemmed pink rose.

And a child was blessed, if only for a moment,

by the love of her shining star.

And given the gift of believing,

that heaven is never too far.

They say it takes a minute to find a special

person, an hour to appreciate them,

a day to love them, but then an entire

life to forget them.

xxxx"

Beautiful

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

My Grandad fought at Gallipoli...got gassed...but survived. Lots didnt....The day we start to forget is the day i dont want to carry on. Gets me every year!!

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By *tirluvMan over a year ago

the right frame of mind -London

Fucking eerie quiet in town earlier today -anyone notice that or was it because you all stopped fucking for a minute then?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I am desperately trying not to bite sunshine....Respect this thread please. Thank you

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By *tirluvMan over a year ago

the right frame of mind -London

"I am desperately trying not to bite sunshine....Respect this thread please. Thank you"
Oh - don't worry about that, my cock has been standing rigidly to attention all day out of respect - I trust your missus's nipples were too

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By *gnitemybodyWoman over a year ago

Onestepoutofthedoor

"I am desperately trying not to bite sunshine....Respect this thread please. Thank youOh - don't worry about that, my cock has been standing rigidly to attention all day out of respect - I trust your missus's nipples were too"

Why is everything such a joke to you?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Looking at ur pics...i highly doubt the former ..unless ur heating is on....

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

God bless everyone who attended services and remembered loved ones today.

Im done with this now.

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By *tirluvMan over a year ago

the right frame of mind -London

Why is everything such a joke to you?"

It's called having a sense of perspective and expressing it as a difference of opinion. If you really want to know, I find it hilarious that a bunch of nearly naked of not naked avatars on a swingers site are pontificating as to how seriously we should all respect this ocassion and the "noble acts of soldiers" and then see no irony about posting about kiss, fuck avoid, shred on the very next thread - never mind the fact that half the poetry being quoted was anti war poetry in the first place - now ya dig?

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By *tirluvMan over a year ago

the right frame of mind -London

Looking at ur pics...i highly doubt the former ..unless ur heating is on.... "

Of course the heating is on darling - it's November you know

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By *inky-MinxWoman over a year ago

Grantham

Just back from an evening Remembrance event, it was lovely

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By *aximus74Woman over a year ago

Manchester

"A thread of anything you feel like posting in Honour of our Fallen and to those currently serving in our armed forces. Stay safe wherever you are and "Lest We Forget"

Daddy's Day

Her hair was up in a pony tail,

her favourite dress tied with a bow.

Today was Daddy's Day at school,

and she couldn't wait to go.

But her mommy tried to tell her,

that she probably should stay home.

Why the kids might not understand,

if she went to school alone.

But she was not afraid; she knew just what to say. What to tell her classmates of why he wasn't there today.

But still her mother worried,

for her to face this day alone.

And that was why once again,

she tried to keep her daughter home.

But the little girl went to school

eager to tell them all.

About a dad she never sees;

a dad who never calls.

There were daddies along the wall in back, for everyone to meet.

Children squirming impatiently,

anxious in their seats

One by one the teacher called a student from the class. To introduce their daddy, as seconds slowly passed.

At last the teacher called her name,

every child turned to stare.

Each of them was searching,

for a man who wasn't there.

"Where's her daddy at?"

she heard a boy call out.

"She probably doesn't have one,"

another student dared to shout.

And from somewhere near the back,

she heard a daddy say,

"Looks like another deadbeat dad,

too busy to waste his day."

The words did not offend her,

as she smiled up at her Mom.

And looked back at her teacher,

who told her to go on.

And with hands behind her back,

slowly she began to speak.

And out from the mouth of a child,

came words incredibly unique.

"My Daddy couldn't be here,

because he lives so far away.

But I know he wishes he could be,

since this is such a special day.

And though you cannot meet him,

I wanted you to know.

All about my daddy,

and how much he loves me so.

He loved to tell me stories

he taught me to ride my bike.

He surprised me with pink roses,

and taught me to fly a kite.

We used to share fudge sundaes,

and ice cream in a cone.

And though you cannot see him.

I'm not standing here alone.

"Cause my daddy's always with me,

even though we are apart

I know because he told me,

he'll forever be in my heart"

With that, her little hand reached up,

and lay across her chest.

Feeling her own heartbeat,

beneath her favourite dress.

And from somewhere here in the crowd of dads, her mother stood in tears.

Proudly watching her daughter,

who was wise beyond her years.

For she stood up for the love

of a man not in her life.

Doing what was best for her,

doing what was right.

And when she dropped her hand back down, staring straight into the crowd.

She finished with a voice so soft,

but its message clear and loud.

"I love my daddy very much,

he's my shining star.

And if he could, he'd be here,

but heaven's just too far

You see he was a fireman

and died just this past year

When airplanes hit the towers

and taught Americans to fear.

But sometimes when I close my eyes,

it's like he never went away."

And then she closed her eyes,

and she saw him there that day.

And to her mothers amazement,

she witnessed with surprise

A room full of daddies and children,

all starting to close their eyes.

Who knows what they saw before them,

who knows what they felt inside.

Perhaps for merely a second,

they saw him at her side.

"I know you're with me Daddy,"

to the silence she called out.

And what happened next made believers,

of those once filled with doubt.

Not one in that room could explain it,

for each of their eyes had been closed.

But there on the desk beside her,

was a fragrant long-stemmed pink rose.

And a child was blessed, if only for a moment,

by the love of her shining star.

And given the gift of believing,

that heaven is never too far.

They say it takes a minute to find a special

person, an hour to appreciate them,

a day to love them, but then an entire

life to forget them.

xxxx"

Oh my...this brought a tear..

Beautiful

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By *gnitemybodyWoman over a year ago

Onestepoutofthedoor

Idiot.

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By *tirluvMan over a year ago

the right frame of mind -London

"Idiot."

But it brought a tear to her eye, she even thought it was beautiful an all - don't you think you were a bit harsh on her

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By *rimson_RoseWoman over a year ago

Tamworth

"A shame that this thread will now probably spiral into chaos

If anyone feels the need to comment on the morality of war and whether we should choose to remember our brave servicemen then i suggest they start their own thread.100% this, Thank You

Ah yes -oh so respectful marking the occasion on a swinger site - whatever your views on it, does nobody see any irony in this?"

You don't understand irony do you...it would be irony if the wars being remembered were fought for monogamy.

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By *abs..Woman over a year ago

"A shame that this thread will now probably spiral into chaos

If anyone feels the need to comment on the morality of war and whether we should choose to remember our brave servicemen then i suggest they start their own thread.100% this, Thank You

Ah yes -oh so respectful marking the occasion on a swinger site - whatever your views on it, does nobody see any irony in this?

You don't understand irony do you...it would be irony if the wars being remembered were fought for monogamy.

Yes very respectful an all with your tits out - how idiotic of me indeed. One wonders why you haven't thought to combine it with the London naked bike ride?"

Yet everyone else can be respectful and you’re the one judging? You’re just embarrassing yourself now.

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By *abs..Woman over a year ago

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By *lem-H-FandangoMan over a year ago

salisbury

There's always one....or 3..

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