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Wearing of the poppy

By *andare63 OP Man over a year ago

oldham

I watched yet another Brexit debate last night the audience was as you would expect made up of a mixed spread of ethnicities. No problem there !!

But what I did have a problem with and it was clear to see that only the white British in the audience were wearing Poppy’s . Does anyone else find this difficult to swallow ?

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By *angtidy42Couple over a year ago

Redditch

Very few of new incomers will have any idea what is ment and symbolised by wearing a poppy.

This is sad and that's why we need to start teaching British history again in our schools.

I could go on about it for ages, but I won't.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I dont wear them

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I watched yet another Brexit debate last night the audience was as you would expect made up of a mixed spread of ethnicities. No problem there !!

But what I did have a problem with and it was clear to see that only the white British in the audience were wearing Poppy’s . Does anyone else find this difficult to swallow ?

Nope

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By *tarbeckCouple over a year ago

york

Each to their own but i wear mine with pride

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By *andare63 OP Man over a year ago

oldham

"Very few of new incomers will have any idea what is ment and symbolised by wearing a poppy.

This is sad and that's why we need to start teaching British history again in our schools.

I could go on about it for ages, but I won't. "

Totally agree . After all it’s that particular chapter in history that has invariably enabled them to stand in a studio audience and have freedom of speech .

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By *roticGoddessXXWoman over a year ago

Richmond

"I watched yet another Brexit debate last night the audience was as you would expect made up of a mixed spread of ethnicities. No problem there !!

But what I did have a problem with and it was clear to see that only the white British in the audience were wearing Poppy’s . Does anyone else find this difficult to swallow ?

From https://www.britishlegion.org.uk/remembrance/how-we-remember/the-story-of-the-poppy/

The poppy is:

A symbol of Remembrance and hope

Worn by millions of people

Red because of the natural colour of field poppies

The poppy is NOT:

A symbol of death or a sign of support for war

A reflection of politics or religion

Red to reflect the colour of blood

Wearing a poppy is a personal choice and reflects individual and personal memories. It is not compulsory but is greatly appreciated by those it helps – our beneficiaries: those currently serving in our Armed Forces, veterans, and their families and dependants.

As a Non Brit, I see wearing poppies in, perhaps, a different way than you. I'm not opposed, but it doesn't hold the same emotional appeal that it might to you. Not wearing one is not a sign of disrespect, simply not something that has been ingrained in me since early childhood.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

It doesn’t really bother me either way. I personally don’t ‘need’ a poppy to remember my grandparents. One thing I do find somewhat frustrating is how ‘occasions’ seem to be promoted earlier and earlier each year. Bonfire night in shops the day after Hallowe’en, Christmas the day after Bonfire night, Remembrance towards the end of October etc

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By *evil_u_knowMan over a year ago

city

It wasn't a big deal in the past but all of a sudden its a big deal. I guess snowflakes raging out? It's reached fever pitch, its ridiculous.

What do you want, people to donate money to American and Russian veterans?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I don't understand why people that don't wear them are assumed to have no respect. I don't wear a pink ribbon, or any other colour, does that mean I don't give a shit about people dying of cancer? It's just the same as all the horseshit posts on facebook saying "repost this junk if you care about XYZ, if you don't then you're an arse!" show how you feel about something how you want to and let others do the same without assuming it means they are arseholes because it is different to you! I no longer wear a poppy as I have them tattooed on my arm btw

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Very few of new incomers will have any idea what is ment and symbolised by wearing a poppy.

This is sad and that's why we need to start teaching British history again in our schools.

I could go on about it for ages, but I won't.

Totally agree . After all it’s that particular chapter in history that has invariably enabled them to stand in a studio audience and have freedom of speech . "

Well i disagree..

I wear one because i choose to and i understand the symbolism of them but why should people who weren't born here in the UK have to wear them if they don't want to..

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

It's also extremely rare to see a youngster/student age wearing one either. Schools don't seem to promote Remembrance in the way they promote other events, especially if they're "cultural". Shame.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Very few of new incomers will have any idea what is ment and symbolised by wearing a poppy.

This is sad and that's why we need to start teaching British history again in our schools.

I could go on about it for ages, but I won't.

Totally agree . After all it’s that particular chapter in history that has invariably enabled them to stand in a studio audience and have freedom of speech .

Well i disagree..

I wear one because i choose to and i understand the symbolism of them but why should people who weren't born here in the UK have to wear them if they don't want to..

Maybe they should wear them to show support of the fact that so many British people lost relatives in the 2 wars, giving "people who weren't born here in the UK" the chance to live in a free and affluent country

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By *sylockeWoman over a year ago

East Anglia

"It's also extremely rare to see a youngster/student age wearing one either. Schools don't seem to promote Remembrance in the way they promote other events, especially if they're "cultural". Shame."

Do not agree with your last comment it is taught in schools and my local school actively participate in Remembrance Sunday.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"It's also extremely rare to see a youngster/student age wearing one either. Schools don't seem to promote Remembrance in the way they promote other events, especially if they're "cultural". Shame."

They promote it at my sons school FYI

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By *sylockeWoman over a year ago

East Anglia

"Very few of new incomers will have any idea what is ment and symbolised by wearing a poppy.

This is sad and that's why we need to start teaching British history again in our schools.

I could go on about it for ages, but I won't. "

British history is taught in schools. Your comment about incomers is highly emotive as well. When I was younger I did wear a poppy to commemorate the two world wars. I do not wear one now as for me, it represents current 'wars' that I do not support at all.

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By *andare63 OP Man over a year ago

oldham

"Very few of new incomers will have any idea what is ment and symbolised by wearing a poppy.

This is sad and that's why we need to start teaching British history again in our schools.

I could go on about it for ages, but I won't.

Totally agree . After all it’s that particular chapter in history that has invariably enabled them to stand in a studio audience and have freedom of speech .

Well i disagree..

I wear one because i choose to and i understand the symbolism of them but why should people who weren't born here in the UK have to wear them if they don't want to..

Sorry perhaps I should’ve made it clearer the point I was trying to make . Of course the wearing of a poppy is personal choice . But looking through that audience the majority were of an age to have been born here . I find it hypocrisy that people can stand there and value and excessive their right to free speech which is a British value yet don’t out of respect recognise how that free speech was maintained and earned in this country AND by who .

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Very few of new incomers will have any idea what is ment and symbolised by wearing a poppy.

This is sad and that's why we need to start teaching British history again in our schools.

I could go on about it for ages, but I won't.

It doesn't commemorate any war, it remembers those who lost their lives, be it combatants or non combatants.

I do think these threads are very I'll informed.

I'm not aware of any wide scale opposition to wearing poppies, just as I'm not aware of people on a large scale being forced to do so.

Do what you want to and stop making adverse comments to those who follow another path.

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By *evil_u_knowMan over a year ago

city

"Maybe they should wear them to show support of the fact that so many British people lost relatives in the 2 wars, giving "people who weren't born here in the UK" the chance to live in a free and affluent country

The money is used to support injured in current conflicts, which most people don't support.

If people had really learned the lessons from world wars then they would be dragging the government out of parliament by their necks for selling weapons to be used in Yemen and not worrying about who wears a poppy.

But they can use the poppy to get some racist digs in about the people from abroad. So I guess do that instead. Cause that's why the people died in the wars, so we could force Johnny Foreigner to wear a poppy.

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By *agermeisterMan over a year ago

Leeds

I don't think you should worry yourself over what people wear or don't wear.

Unless it's a swastika on an armband

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By *iss_tressWoman over a year ago

London

The poppy appeal is the only "street" donation I give to. There is something moving, humbling and dignified about the old soldiers standing there. Yet, I seldom wear a poppy.

If some white people want to make assumptions because I don't wear a poppy, little I can do about that, or care if I'm honest.

I wonder how many hurry past down on their luck vets on the street all year round then proudly display their poppy come November?

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By *iss_tressWoman over a year ago

London

"I don't understand why people that don't wear them are assumed to have no respect. I don't wear a pink ribbon, or any other colour, does that mean I don't give a shit about people dying of cancer? It's just the same as all the horseshit posts on facebook saying "repost this junk if you care about XYZ, if you don't then you're an arse!" show how you feel about something how you want to and let others do the same without assuming it means they are arseholes because it is different to you! I no longer wear a poppy as I have them tattooed on my arm btw"

This!!!

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By *icecouple561Couple over a year ago
Forum Mod

East Sussex

"I watched yet another Brexit debate last night the audience was as you would expect made up of a mixed spread of ethnicities. No problem there !!

But what I did have a problem with and it was clear to see that only the white British in the audience were wearing Poppy’s . Does anyone else find this difficult to swallow ?

How do you know every white person wearing a poppy was British?

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By *ild_oatsMan over a year ago

the land of saints & sinners

"Very few of new incomers will have any idea what is ment and symbolised by wearing a poppy.

This is sad and that's why we need to start teaching British history again in our schools.

I could go on about it for ages, but I won't.

Totally agree . After all it’s that particular chapter in history that has invariably enabled them to stand in a studio audience and have freedom of speech .

Well i disagree..

I wear one because i choose to and i understand the symbolism of them but why should people who weren't born here in the UK have to wear them if they don't want to..

Freedom of speech is not an exclusive British value and we do not have a monopoly on that. In fact it is something the “British culture” has appropriated.

I do have a poppy pin but I think of all the suffering and sacrifice that occurs all sides in all conflicts that the politicians and leaders perpetuate...

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Very few of new incomers will have any idea what is ment and symbolised by wearing a poppy.

This is sad and that's why we need to start teaching British history again in our schools.

I could go on about it for ages, but I won't.

Totally agree . After all it’s that particular chapter in history that has invariably enabled them to stand in a studio audience and have freedom of speech .

Well i disagree..

I wear one because i choose to and i understand the symbolism of them but why should people who weren't born here in the UK have to wear them if they don't want to..

Why does not wearing a poppy mean someone does not respect how they have freedom of speech etc?! That is a terrible assumption to make about someone you don't know. A news reader got death threats from not wearing a poppy on camera. Because people made assumptions that were terrifically untrue about her being disrespectful etc.. She is actually an advocate of the British Legion/poppy fund and was not allowed to wear it due to a conflict of interest clause in her contract... Or something to that effect... But yeah... Go ahead and keep assuming eh?!

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By *iss_tressWoman over a year ago

London

"Very few of new incomers will have any idea what is ment and symbolised by wearing a poppy.

This is sad and that's why we need to start teaching British history again in our schools.

I could go on about it for ages, but I won't.

Totally agree . After all it’s that particular chapter in history that has invariably enabled them to stand in a studio audience and have freedom of speech .

Well i disagree..

I wear one because i choose to and i understand the symbolism of them but why should people who weren't born here in the UK have to wear them if they don't want to..

You're itching to turn this into an ungrateful immigrants thread aren't you?

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By *iss_tressWoman over a year ago

London

"Very few of new incomers will have any idea what is ment and symbolised by wearing a poppy.

This is sad and that's why we need to start teaching British history again in our schools.

I could go on about it for ages, but I won't.

It doesn't commemorate any war, it remembers those who lost their lives, be it combatants or non combatants.

I do think these threads are very I'll informed.

I'm not aware of any wide scale opposition to wearing poppies, just as I'm not aware of people on a large scale being forced to do so.

Do what you want to and stop making adverse comments to those who follow another path."

Where would some find the fun in that?

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By *iss_tressWoman over a year ago

London

Not just me that's spotted the way the OP wants this thread to go.

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By *icecouple561Couple over a year ago
Forum Mod

East Sussex

"Very few of new incomers will have any idea what is ment and symbolised by wearing a poppy.

This is sad and that's why we need to start teaching British history again in our schools.

I could go on about it for ages, but I won't.

Totally agree . After all it’s that particular chapter in history that has invariably enabled them to stand in a studio audience and have freedom of speech .

Well i disagree..

I wear one because i choose to and i understand the symbolism of them but why should people who weren't born here in the UK have to wear them if they don't want to..

Wher was this brexit debate? I'd be interested to have a look and see the evidence with my own eyes.

Can you see any irony in berating people for exercising a freedom (i.e. not wearing a poppy) that you say was hard won on their behalf while insisting that they behave how you think they should?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Just because someone doesn't wear one doesn't mean they are ambivalent or don't care, even anti the idea.

I don't think people should feel compelled to wear one, sometimes I do and sometimes I don't.

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By *ara JTV/TS over a year ago

Bristol East

"I watched yet another Brexit debate last night the audience was as you would expect made up of a mixed spread of ethnicities. No problem there !!

But what I did have a problem with and it was clear to see that only the white British in the audience were wearing Poppy’s . Does anyone else find this difficult to swallow ?

I am one of those people who donates a few £s in the collecting tin, but chooses not to pick up a replica poppy and pin it to my chest.

Does that make me a bad white?

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By *LFB.Woman over a year ago

Farnborough.

I wear both a red and a purple poppy, but i dont worry about what others wear, its entirely up to the individual.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"It's also extremely rare to see a youngster/student age wearing one either. Schools don't seem to promote Remembrance in the way they promote other events, especially if they're "cultural". Shame."

When my son was asked by an elderly neighbour what was special about this years remembrance, he knew the answer. My children wear their poppies with pride and they are taught about it at school.

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By *andare63 OP Man over a year ago

oldham

"I watched yet another Brexit debate last night the audience was as you would expect made up of a mixed spread of ethnicities. No problem there !!

But what I did have a problem with and it was clear to see that only the white British in the audience were wearing Poppy’s . Does anyone else find this difficult to swallow ?

How do you know every white person wearing a poppy was British?"

You are quite right I don’t know that for a fact but after watching the programme for an hour . I did not spot anyone who wasn’t white wearing a poppy . But this isn’t about skin colour as such it’s about British Values . People excersising their right to freedom of speech but nor wanting to recognise how we got that freedom of speech . I do think it’s a generation thing and maybe in another 100 years the symbolism of the poppy may have totally gone and will be replaced with something more sinister ....

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By *iss_tressWoman over a year ago

London

"Very few of new incomers will have any idea what is ment and symbolised by wearing a poppy.

This is sad and that's why we need to start teaching British history again in our schools.

I could go on about it for ages, but I won't.

Totally agree . After all it’s that particular chapter in history that has invariably enabled them to stand in a studio audience and have freedom of speech .

Well i disagree..

I wear one because i choose to and i understand the symbolism of them but why should people who weren't born here in the UK have to wear them if they don't want to..

Yep, Charlene White. She comes from a military family, is an advocate of the British Legion but every year she's subjected to racial abuse and death threats because she doesn't wear a poppy on screen.

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By *icecouple561Couple over a year ago
Forum Mod

East Sussex

"I watched yet another Brexit debate last night the audience was as you would expect made up of a mixed spread of ethnicities. No problem there !!

But what I did have a problem with and it was clear to see that only the white British in the audience were wearing Poppy’s . Does anyone else find this difficult to swallow ?

How do you know every white person wearing a poppy was British?

I and many others on this thread can see the opinions you're hoping to draw out. You're using emotive language and trying to promote racist views using something that represents many lives lost to enable you to have the freedom to do so. To me that shows much more disrespect to everything the poppy symbolises.

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By *ild_oatsMan over a year ago

the land of saints & sinners

"I watched yet another Brexit debate last night the audience was as you would expect made up of a mixed spread of ethnicities. No problem there !!

But what I did have a problem with and it was clear to see that only the white British in the audience were wearing Poppy’s . Does anyone else find this difficult to swallow ?

How do you know every white person wearing a poppy was British?

I’d like to know exactly what exclusive “British values” we have that are not found anywhere where else outside of these isles...

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By *andare63 OP Man over a year ago

oldham

"I watched yet another Brexit debate last night the audience was as you would expect made up of a mixed spread of ethnicities. No problem there !!

But what I did have a problem with and it was clear to see that only the white British in the audience were wearing Poppy’s . Does anyone else find this difficult to swallow ?

I am one of those people who donates a few £s in the collecting tin, but chooses not to pick up a replica poppy and pin it to my chest.

Does that make me a bad white?

Not at all it’s not the point I was making . Read the thread maybe

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

There has been a lot of made up stories recently, mostly on social media about wearing the poppy.

Mostly those from the far right have invented stories about people of other faiths not wearing a poppy or respecting the fallen in both wars . This is all false all communities have come together in acts of remembrance .

The far right doesn't want you to know that .

2 million Muslims volunteered to fight along side the Allies in both wars , 1 million alone fought in the first world war . In all theatres of operation. They fought and died and are buried along side their comrades of all religions .

To wear a poppy , red or white is a personal choice . To use it to castigate people is completely wrong

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"It's also extremely rare to see a youngster/student age wearing one either. Schools don't seem to promote Remembrance in the way they promote other events, especially if they're "cultural". Shame."

They do in my children's secondary school.

Two students go around the school selling poppies to fellow students and staff alike.

Someone above mentioned British schools should start teaching British history. Well they do they always have done

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I watched yet another Brexit debate last night the audience was as you would expect made up of a mixed spread of ethnicities. No problem there !!

But what I did have a problem with and it was clear to see that only the white British in the audience were wearing Poppy’s . Does anyone else find this difficult to swallow ?

Nah. We all the right to decide to wear or not wear a poppy. I'll support the cause but not wear a poppy for no other reason than I find wearing a poppy a bit of a faf.

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By *andare63 OP Man over a year ago

oldham

"Very few of new incomers will have any idea what is ment and symbolised by wearing a poppy.

This is sad and that's why we need to start teaching British history again in our schools.

I could go on about it for ages, but I won't.

Totally agree . After all it’s that particular chapter in history that has invariably enabled them to stand in a studio audience and have freedom of speech .

Well i disagree..

I wear one because i choose to and i understand the symbolism of them but why should people who weren't born here in the UK have to wear them if they don't want to..

You're itching to turn this into an ungrateful immigrants thread aren't you?"

Is that an assumption ?

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By *sylockeWoman over a year ago

East Anglia

"There has been a lot of made up stories recently, mostly on social media about wearing the poppy.

The far right doesn't want you to know that .

To wear a poppy , red or white is a personal choice . To use it to castigate people is completely wrong

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By *sylockeWoman over a year ago

East Anglia

"There has been a lot of made up stories recently, mostly on social media about wearing the poppy.

The far right doesn't want you to know that .

To wear a poppy , red or white is a personal choice . To use it to castigate people is completely wrong

Totally agree and very well said.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

" People excersising their right to freedom of speech but nor wanting to recognise how we got that freedom of speech "

Not wishing to be pedantic, but I hear and read this a lot. Why make the assumption that the outcome of both wars defined ‘freedom of speech’ in any way? If you visit Germany you’ll see people living there have exactly the same freedom of speech we (supposedly) have.

What the wars ‘did’ initially alter was the persecution of minority groups that would have without doubt continued had the outcomes have been different. But if you look around the world now that persecution is around now just as it was then.

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By *bsolutebeginnersCouple over a year ago

Planet Ork

"It's also extremely rare to see a youngster/student age wearing one either. Schools don't seem to promote Remembrance in the way they promote other events, especially if they're "cultural". Shame."

Don’t make sweeping generalisations. Our sons junior school has various poppy items which they are promoting at the moment.

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By *ANDA2Couple over a year ago

Henley Arden

"I watched yet another Brexit debate last night the audience was as you would expect made up of a mixed spread of ethnicities. No problem there !!

But what I did have a problem with and it was clear to see that only the white British in the audience were wearing Poppy’s . Does anyone else find this difficult to swallow ?

How do you know every white person wearing a poppy was British?

People choosing not to wear a Poppy are excercising the right that people fought for. That’s exactly what people fought for - choice.

In 100 years it won’t matter. Do you celebrate Trafalgar or Waterloo day ? The same defeat of dictatorship

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By *oan of DArcCouple over a year ago

Glasgow

"I watched yet another Brexit debate last night the audience was as you would expect made up of a mixed spread of ethnicities. No problem there !!

But what I did have a problem with and it was clear to see that only the white British in the audience were wearing Poppy’s . Does anyone else find this difficult to swallow ?

Poppy fascism.

Why is it difficult to swallow?

It's a personal observation of remembrance, not a stick to beat people with and if you believe it is you're sort of missing the point of why service personnel choose to fight.

Nobody's preventing you from wearing one and I'd say a significant minority of 'white British', don't wear one not necessarily out of disrespect.

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By *andare63 OP Man over a year ago

oldham

" People excersising their right to freedom of speech but nor wanting to recognise how we got that freedom of speech

I get where you are coming from with that but was Hitlers regime not a Dictatorship? Would we have had that freedom of speech under such a regime ?

It’s only a few weeks ago such a regime butchered a “free” speaking Saudi journalist .

I appreciate that it’s not everyone’s choice to wear a poppy

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By *ara JTV/TS over a year ago

Bristol East

"I watched yet another Brexit debate last night the audience was as you would expect made up of a mixed spread of ethnicities. No problem there !!

But what I did have a problem with and it was clear to see that only the white British in the audience were wearing Poppy’s . Does anyone else find this difficult to swallow ?

I am one of those people who donates a few £s in the collecting tin, but chooses not to pick up a replica poppy and pin it to my chest.

Does that make me a bad white?

Not at all it’s not the point I was making . Read the thread maybe "

more assumptions on your part.

my point is everyone has a choice - brown, white or black - and that is not at all hard to swallow.

the racial intolerance implicit in your thread serves only to stain the poppy and what it represents.

have you considered the notion that some people might find it harder to associate with as a result?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"It's also extremely rare to see a youngster/student age wearing one either. Schools don't seem to promote Remembrance in the way they promote other events, especially if they're "cultural". Shame."

Do you have any evidence of this ?

The secondry schools here all sell the poppies , some even in local town centres.

My old secondry school has created a moving tribute to those from this area who have been killed in action in all conflicts .

Six formers who's age is close to the age of those who went away to fight. Have each been given a name to research and create a poster. They visited the homes the soldiers came from , the schools , old pictures . They have given life again to those names carved on the memorial plaques . They have understood these were just local lads , just like them. This is an amazing act of remembrance .

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By *ild_oatsMan over a year ago

the land of saints & sinners

"I watched yet another Brexit debate last night the audience was as you would expect made up of a mixed spread of ethnicities. No problem there !!

But what I did have a problem with and it was clear to see that only the white British in the audience were wearing Poppy’s . Does anyone else find this difficult to swallow ?

How do you know every white person wearing a poppy was British?

People choosing not to wear a Poppy are excercising the right that people fought for. That’s exactly what people fought for - choice.

In 100 years it won’t matter. Do you celebrate Trafalgar or Waterloo day ? The same defeat of dictatorship "

Kaiser Wilhelm was not an actual dictator. As Germany at the time of 1914 did have a parliament. Though the Kaiser did choose a lot of the members...

It helps if you have knowledge of history before making sweeping statements.

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By *andare63 OP Man over a year ago

oldham

" People excersising their right to freedom of speech but nor wanting to recognise how we got that freedom of speech

I get where you are coming from with that but was Hitlers regime not a Dictatorship? Would we have had that freedom of speech under such a regime ?

It’s only a few weeks ago such a regime butchered a “free” speaking Saudi journalist .

I appreciate that it’s not everyone’s choice to wear a poppy

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By *leasuremanMan over a year ago

bury st edmunds

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Wear a poppy and don't be a dick to others. Don't wear a poppy and don't be a dick to others

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By *ANDA2Couple over a year ago

Henley Arden

It’s only a few weeks ago such a regime butchered a “free” speaking Saudi journalist .

I appreciate that it’s not everyone’s choice to wear a poppy

If you appreciate the choice of others what’s the point of your post ?

Seems your being very angry shouty if people choose to disagree with you.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

" I get where you are coming from with that but was Hitlers regime not a Dictatorship? Would we have had that freedom of speech under such a regime "

I believe so, every regime has a shelf life, eventually change occurs (granted not always for the better).

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By *oan of DArcCouple over a year ago

Glasgow

"Very few of new incomers will have any idea what is ment and symbolised by wearing a poppy.

This is sad and that's why we need to start teaching British history again in our schools.

I could go on about it for ages, but I won't. "

Judging by this comment it sounds like they should start teaching 'history', since the sacrifices made by soldiers fighting tyranny weren't just British ones, millions from the Commonwealth and wider volunteered and fought bravely during WWI & WWII.

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By *est Wales WifeCouple over a year ago

Near Carmarthen

I don't wear a poppy; it is now being hijacked for political propaganda.

Nor does veteran Harry Leslie Smith who wrote

"From now on, I will lament their passing in private because my despair is for those who live in this present world. I will no longer allow my obligation as a veteran to remember those who died in the great wars to be co-opted by current or former politicians to justify our folly in Iraq, our morally dubious war on terror and our elimination of one's right to privacy."

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By *andare63 OP Man over a year ago

oldham

It’s only a few weeks ago such a regime butchered a “free” speaking Saudi journalist .

I appreciate that it’s not everyone’s choice to wear a poppy

If you appreciate the choice of others what’s the point of your post ?

Seems your being very angry shouty if people choose to disagree with you. "

The point of the post. Is well documented. Am I angry ? Not really !! Apologies if that’s how it has come across. It was my observation of a programme . Perhaps the post should’ve been . Are we forgetting? And not so much focused on a symbol

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By *apmanMan over a year ago

Harpenden

" To wear a poppy , red or white is a personal choice . To use it to castigate people is completely wrong

Well said Taff.

No soldier who has seen war wants it glorified or promoted in any way. The poppy is a potent symbol of remembrance, not a celebration of conflict. The poppy fund aids the men and women who served on our behalf, and who need help. Whether or not you support the conflicts that caused them harm, they served on our behalf. Blame the politicians as much as you like, but treat remembrance with due respect.

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By *icecouple561Couple over a year ago
Forum Mod

East Sussex

It’s only a few weeks ago such a regime butchered a “free” speaking Saudi journalist .

I appreciate that it’s not everyone’s choice to wear a poppy

If you appreciate the choice of others what’s the point of your post ?

Seems your being very angry shouty if people choose to disagree with you.

Have I missed the post where you said which programme this was?

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By *ssex_tomMan over a year ago

Chelmsford

The Rememberance is for the fallen. The collection is for those soldiers injured etc that survive today.

Our military is so short of people wanting to join that they are taking people from overseas who have never lived here. Many of those will fall in battle. And we will remember them too. For even in death we do not have equality for race or religion in some people's eyes.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"There has been a lot of made up stories recently, mostly on social media about wearing the poppy.

The far right doesn't want you to know that .

To wear a poppy , red or white is a personal choice . To use it to castigate people is completely wrong

Thank you Taff!

I read a news article yesterday about the amount of Muslims who fought on our side in the world wars. Imagine the far right's reaction if they realised that a lot of those Muslims came from abroad to help us? They might complain a little less about immigration then...

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By *icecouple561Couple over a year ago
Forum Mod

East Sussex

"There has been a lot of made up stories recently, mostly on social media about wearing the poppy.

The far right doesn't want you to know that .

To wear a poppy , red or white is a personal choice . To use it to castigate people is completely wrong

Thank you Taff!

It wasn't just muslims. Chinese, west indian, sikh and hindu among others fought. The royal pavilion in Brighton was use as a hospital for Indian soldiers during WW 1.

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By *est Wales WifeCouple over a year ago

Near Carmarthen

This is sad and that's why we need to start teaching British history again in our schools.

We certainly do need to tell children how we invaded and colonised much of the world to steal the resources of others and how we've been instrumental in spreading terror around the world. Perhaps we could start with the havoc, destruction and millions of deaths we caused in India. That, of course, is just the tip of the iceberg though.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I can’t help feeling that the commercialisation of the whole event has also led to the decline in monies raised year on year. When it was ‘the poppy’ for many it’s symbol was clear, now it’s on mugs, car emblems, metal pin badges, childrens toys etc etc etc

Certainly for me this has devalued the original symbol and replaced it with a degrading feel of commercialism sad to say.

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By *bsolutebeginnersCouple over a year ago

Planet Ork

"There has been a lot of made up stories recently, mostly on social media about wearing the poppy.

The far right doesn't want you to know that .

To wear a poppy , red or white is a personal choice . To use it to castigate people is completely wrong

Thank you Taff!

Don’t forget about all those Polish pilots that came over pinching all our fighter pilot jobs!

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By *ssex_tomMan over a year ago

Chelmsford

I find the British self loathing of its past loathsome.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

" Don’t forget about all those Polish pilots that came over pinching all our fighter pilot jobs!

You can’t help but love a bit of Black Country humour

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By *est Wales WifeCouple over a year ago

Near Carmarthen

I find the British self loathing of its past loathsome. "

I find the reluctance to face the truth about the UK's role in world events scary.

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By *imiUKMan over a year ago

Hereford

"I watched yet another Brexit debate last night the audience was as you would expect made up of a mixed spread of ethnicities. No problem there !!

But what I did have a problem with and it was clear to see that only the white British in the audience were wearing Poppy’s . Does anyone else find this difficult to swallow ?

How do you know every white person wearing a poppy was British?

I’d like to know exactly what exclusive “British values” we have that are not found anywhere where else outside of these isles..."

Aren't "British values" occupying other countries, asset stripping and enslaving the natives?

Also: I covered British History quite extensively at school/A-level....

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By *imiUKMan over a year ago

Hereford

I find the British self loathing of its past loathsome. "

Britain's past is pretty reprehensible, so I can understand it, personally.

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By *ssex_tomMan over a year ago

Chelmsford

I find the British self loathing of its past loathsome.

I find the reluctance to face the truth about the UK's role in world events scary."

And the Greeks and the Romans as nauseum...

We have no empire and noone alive played a part in it. Stop castigating yourself for it...

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By *icecouple561Couple over a year ago
Forum Mod

East Sussex

I find the British self loathing of its past loathsome.

I find the reluctance to face the truth about the UK's role in world events scary.

And the Greeks and the Romans as nauseum...

We have no empire and noone alive played a part in it. Stop castigating yourself for it... "

I don't think anyone's castigating themselves for it. Its useful to understand history though, it puts things in context, helps understand how we've reached the point we're at now and makes you wonder if the human race will ever learn from it.

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By *andare63 OP Man over a year ago

oldham

This is sad and that's why we need to start teaching British history again in our schools.

Absolutely it’s the reason we always come last in the Eurovision Song Contest !!!!

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By *y Favorite PornstarCouple over a year ago

Basingstoke

I find the British self loathing of its past loathsome.

Britain's past is pretty reprehensible, so I can understand it, personally."

Nothing more pathetic than people buying the white guilt propoganda

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By *agermeisterMan over a year ago

Leeds

I find the British self loathing of its past loathsome.

Britain's past is pretty reprehensible, so I can understand it, personally.

Nothing more pathetic than people buying the white guilt propoganda

Not guilt. Shame. Terrible things were/are done by this nation that are never spoken about. It's nothing to be proud of or indifferent about.

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By *est Wales WifeCouple over a year ago

Near Carmarthen

We have no empire and noone alive played a part in it. Stop castigating yourself for it... "

Plenty are still alive like the British soldiers who tortured Kenyans in the 1950s during the MauMau rebellion. Look up the details of the torture if you want (it's not easy reading). This is British history that should be taught in schools; funnily enough it is not.

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By *imiUKMan over a year ago

Hereford

I find the British self loathing of its past loathsome.

Britain's past is pretty reprehensible, so I can understand it, personally.

Nothing more pathetic than people buying the white guilt propoganda

Propaganda? The British empire killed more people than Stalin. We are one of the few nations to have successfully committed genocide.

Should we not be mindful of that?

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By *agermeisterMan over a year ago

Leeds

I find the British self loathing of its past loathsome.

I find the reluctance to face the truth about the UK's role in world events scary.

And the Greeks and the Romans as nauseum...

We have no empire and noone alive played a part in it. Stop castigating yourself for it... "

Not sure of the exact figure but roughly half of British people today are proud of the British Empire. There are things to be proud of but there's plenty to be horrified about also.

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By *opsy RogersWoman over a year ago

London

"Very few of new incomers will have any idea what is ment and symbolised by wearing a poppy.

This is sad and that's why we need to start teaching British history again in our schools.

I could go on about it for ages, but I won't. "

What’s wrong with the parents of those children teaching them about history? Why is everything supposed to be left to teachers and schools?

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By *y Favorite PornstarCouple over a year ago

Basingstoke

I find the British self loathing of its past loathsome.

Britain's past is pretty reprehensible, so I can understand it, personally.

Nothing more pathetic than people buying the white guilt propoganda

Propaganda? The British empire killed more people than Stalin. We are one of the few nations to have successfully committed genocide.

Should we not be mindful of that?"

Not even remotely close to being true. Just more marxist revisionist history trying to deflect that the only regime that killed more than the Russian communists, were the Chinese communists

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By *bonynivoryCouple over a year ago

market harborough

"I watched yet another Brexit debate last night the audience was as you would expect made up of a mixed spread of ethnicities. No problem there !!

But what I did have a problem with and it was clear to see that only the white British in the audience were wearing Poppy’s . Does anyone else find this difficult to swallow ?

Not wearing a poppy does not equate to disrespect. Not all white British wear Poppys.

Mrs

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By *ssex_tomMan over a year ago

Chelmsford

I respect that point. History is ever evolving. I am no Imperialist but see no point in harbouring guilt from the actions of our ancestors. I don't. I was not alive then and I don't think we ever learn. It's about a few in power perpetuating their wealth and influence and the poor squaddie in Libya, Afghanistan, India etc never got rich fighting for their beloved country urged on my politicians, businessmen (yes men) But the East India Company and Lloyds Shipping did. They were more likely to die of gout and consumption than a bullet or tropical fever... But only in my opinion ..

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Not hard to swallow.

You don't have to wear a poppy if you don't want to. You can still remember the fallen if you don't wear one.

Do you wear a poppy throughout the entire year? If not, why not?

People may have donated some money but decided to not take the poppy.

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By *bonynivoryCouple over a year ago

market harborough

"Very few of new incomers will have any idea what is ment and symbolised by wearing a poppy.

This is sad and that's why we need to start teaching British history again in our schools.

I could go on about it for ages, but I won't.

Totally agree . After all it’s that particular chapter in history that has invariably enabled them to stand in a studio audience and have freedom of speech .

Well i disagree..

I wear one because i choose to and i understand the symbolism of them but why should people who weren't born here in the UK have to wear them if they don't want to..

Yes boss!!!

Mrs

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By *imiUKMan over a year ago

Hereford

I find the British self loathing of its past loathsome.

Britain's past is pretty reprehensible, so I can understand it, personally.

Nothing more pathetic than people buying the white guilt propoganda

Propaganda? The British empire killed more people than Stalin. We are one of the few nations to have successfully committed genocide.

Should we not be mindful of that?

Not even remotely close to being true. Just more marxist revisionist history trying to deflect that the only regime that killed more than the Russian communists, were the Chinese communists

"Not even remotely close to being true"?

It's funny how you immediately bleat on about gulags when anyone mentions anything slightly left of centre, but are content to ignore our own past.

Remember who invented the concentration camp in the first place....

As an aside - it has been said that only the Germans and the Japanese have ever tried to cone to terms with their horrific pasts. Why?

The photograph.

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By *ANDA2Couple over a year ago

Henley Arden

I find the British self loathing of its past loathsome.

Britain's past is pretty reprehensible, so I can understand it, personally.

Nothing more pathetic than people buying the white guilt propoganda

Propaganda? The British empire killed more people than Stalin. We are one of the few nations to have successfully committed genocide.

Should we not be mindful of that?

Not even remotely close to being true. Just more marxist revisionist history trying to deflect that the only regime that killed more than the Russian communists, were the Chinese communists

"Not even remotely close to being true"?

It's funny how you immediately bleat on about gulags when anyone mentions anything slightly left of centre, but are content to ignore our own past.

Remember who invented the concentration camp in the first place....

As an aside - it has been said that only the Germans and the Japanese have ever tried to cone to terms with their horrific pasts. Why?

The photograph."

Actually Japan hasn’t even come close to facing up to its part in WW2. Japan’s version of WW2 is very sanitised.

The only country that’s really faced up to it WW2 participation is / was west German.

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By *ara JTV/TS over a year ago

Bristol East

"History is written by the victors"

- Winston Churchill

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By *ssex_tomMan over a year ago

Chelmsford

I respect your point although I do not feel guilty for it.. It was not on my watch.. Slaughter is not uniquely a British trait. Look at the Balkans modern history. If you are suggesting we learn from our past then absolutely. If you are suggesting that modern Britain should be guilty then absolutely not..

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By *tirluvMan over a year ago

the right frame of mind -London

"I watched yet another Brexit debate last night the audience was as you would expect made up of a mixed spread of ethnicities. No problem there !!

But what I did have a problem with and it was clear to see that only the white British in the audience were wearing Poppy’s . Does anyone else find this difficult to swallow ?

Yes -all those either oppressed by the slavery of their ancestors, by the effects of colonialism, by having their ancestors sent into war barely armed as glorified cannon fodder, all those innocent victims/ refugees of war (all of which was largely effected by the actions of British Army campaigns) -so, in short, not everyone sees the actions of the military as entirely honourable and some choose to express this by not wearing a poppy -it's a free choice not a compulsory action you know.

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By *lex46TV/TS over a year ago

Near Wells

I also watched the Brexit debate which I thought was quite good until near the end.

I noticed people wearing poppies but I couldn't tell you if they were white, black, Asian, British or whatever.

Does it matter?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Blablablabla

Sempiternal debate...

Yes, sure op, the ones who wear them are better than the ones who don't.

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By *andare63 OP Man over a year ago

oldham

"Blablablabla

Sempiternal debate...

Yes, sure op, the ones who wear them are better than the ones who don't.

At least someone agrees with me

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Blablablabla

Sempiternal debate...

Yes, sure op, the ones who wear them are better than the ones who don't.

At least someone agrees with me

I can't disagree with someone wearing a poppy ffs

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By *iamondCougarWoman over a year ago

Norfuck! / Lincolnshire

"Each to their own but i wear mine with pride"

Me too!

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By *ara JTV/TS over a year ago

Bristol East

Slaughter is not uniquely a British trait. "

So true.

It is a human trait.

Throughout history, whoever made a technological leap forward with weaponry used it to bully, conquer and enslave those whose weapons were feeble.

Every empire, every time.

It's why some scientists in the US in the immediate aftermath World War Two gave the secrets of the bomb to the USSR. It was the only way to halt the hawks in Washington from committing genocide.

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman over a year ago

evesham

"I watched yet another Brexit debate last night the audience was as you would expect made up of a mixed spread of ethnicities. No problem there !!

But what I did have a problem with and it was clear to see that only the white British in the audience were wearing Poppy’s . Does anyone else find this difficult to swallow ?

No. Their choice. They may have poppies on their coats. They may give but not feel the need to display their support.

People fought and died for our right to choose what we do, not to be bullied into wearing a poppy.

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman over a year ago

evesham

"Very few of new incomers will have any idea what is ment and symbolised by wearing a poppy.

This is sad and that's why we need to start teaching British history again in our schools.

I could go on about it for ages, but I won't.

Totally agree . After all it’s that particular chapter in history that has invariably enabled them to stand in a studio audience and have freedom of speech . "

Yet not about the poppy? How odd.

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By *ulldog_71Man over a year ago

Sedgefield

The strongest supporters for the right to choose not to wear a poppy are the British Legion, it's a personal choice and nobody should be vilified for choosing not to wear a poppy. The problem I have is that it is being politicised, it is not compulsory to wear one and wearing one does not promote war but remembers those who have made the choice to put their lives on the line when needed they don't choose the wars they fight in but they do choose to defend us all.

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By *irkydirkyMan over a year ago

Stevenage

"I watched yet another Brexit debate last night the audience was as you would expect made up of a mixed spread of ethnicities. No problem there !!

But what I did have a problem with and it was clear to see that only the white British in the audience were wearing Poppy’s . Does anyone else find this difficult to swallow ?

You have a problem with it? Really?

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By *tarbeckCouple over a year ago

york

"The strongest supporters for the right to choose not to wear a poppy are the British Legion, it's a personal choice and nobody should be vilified for choosing not to wear a poppy. The problem I have is that it is being politicised, it is not compulsory to wear one and wearing one does not promote war but remembers those who have made the choice to put their lives on the line when needed they don't choose the wars they fight in but they do choose to defend us all. "

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By *ynecplCouple over a year ago

Newcastle upon Tyne

So long as a country we don't forget, I have no problem with people not wearing the poppy. On Sunday I shall attend my local remembrance service and remember friends and colleagues who have fallen.

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By *abs..Woman over a year ago

"It's also extremely rare to see a youngster/student age wearing one either. Schools don't seem to promote Remembrance in the way they promote other events, especially if they're "cultural". Shame."

I have, and do see lots if students wearing a poppy. It is most definitely not rare.

Your statement about schools is completely incorrect.

I wear my poppy with pride. It is personal choice of course. I just hope though that whilst we have silly debates about whether it’s right or wrong to wear a poppy that we do actually remember those that sacrificed their lives.

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By *ystical_InkedBBWWoman over a year ago

somewhere in the Shire of Derby

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By *ensualtouch15Man over a year ago

ashby de la zouch

"Each to their own but i wear mine with pride"

That's exactly why I don't , and generally support the white poppy

There is zero to be proud about , nothing

No one won , all that happened is lots and lots of humans lost their lives , lest we forget ! One side killed more or forced the other into a s submission but humanity lost lest we forget , it is not with pride any human should kill another, it is not with pride any human goes to war ,it is with regretfull necessity, lest we forget ,

I have not forgotten what I know about the war, I have not forgotten the suffering and devastation it unleashes on all involved , lest we forget ,

A human goes to war with a sorry heart , and regret , never pride

I don't wear a poppy as I don't want any human of any race to think I'm proud of war

Lest we forget war destroys humanity, lives ,families,

Those that are killed on both sides are humans fed propaganda

Often just cannon fodder pawns in a twisted game played by bad people on both sides

Lest we forget, never again , but it was forgotten and is forgotten

I respect remembrance of every human tragically slaughtered in war, pride is not an emotion I associate with such bloodshed x lest we forget

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By *abs..Woman over a year ago

"Each to their own but i wear mine with pride

That's exactly why I don't , and generally support the white poppy

There is zero to be proud about , nothing

I have not forgotten what I know about the war, I have not forgotten the suffering and devastation it unleashes on all involved , lest we forget ,

A human goes to war with a sorry heart , and regret , never pride

I don't wear a poppy as I don't want any human of any race to think I'm proud of war

Lest we forget war destroys humanity, lives ,families,

Those that are killed on both sides are humans fed propaganda

Often just cannon fodder pawns in a twisted game played by bad people on both sides

Lest we forget, never again , but it was forgotten and is forgotten

I respect remembrance of every human tragically slaughtered in war, pride is not an emotion I associate with such bloodshed x lest we forget "

A poppy doesn’t mean you are proud of war.

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By *ystical_InkedBBWWoman over a year ago

somewhere in the Shire of Derby

"Very few of new incomers will have any idea what is ment and symbolised by wearing a poppy.

This is sad and that's why we need to start teaching British history again in our schools.

I could go on about it for ages, but I won't. "

British History is part of the National Curriculum and is taught in schools. The Royal British Legion produced a list of myth busters which it posted on social media a few weeks back and the few people who were adament that history wasn't being taught in schools were met with a deluge of replies from parents and teachers proving otherwise. They were posting photos of the work the children were doing regarding Remembrance and the WWs, talkimg about the trips they take each year. The far-right push the myth and some choose to believe it.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I watched yet another Brexit debate last night the audience was as you would expect made up of a mixed spread of ethnicities. No problem there !!

But what I did have a problem with and it was clear to see that only the white British in the audience were wearing Poppy’s . Does anyone else find this difficult to swallow ?

How do you know every white person wearing a poppy was British?"

Surely all white people are British and all the rest are those nasty immigrants, clearly the tone taken by the op as so many of these posts go.

Every chance a significant number were fighting against the British but its OK they don't look out of place to people like the op.

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By *igblackdomTV/TS over a year ago

West Midlands

"I watched yet another Brexit debate last night the audience was as you would expect made up of a mixed spread of ethnicities. No problem there !!

But what I did have a problem with and it was clear to see that only the white British in the audience were wearing Poppy’s . Does anyone else find this difficult to swallow ?

I'm a black man.

Sometimes I wear a poppy.

Sometimes I don't.

Just like a lot of other folks, black & white.

My grandfather served during the second world war.

What I won't do is wear one to appease wankers who make erroneous judgements about me and my patriotism, it says a lot more about them than it does me.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I always give to the poppy collectors, normally several times, but never wear a poppy as I don't need to tell everybody and don't support some aspects of what we've done, however I do support all veterans and hope that's where my money goes.

Lost one great grandfather in the first world wat and both grandfather's fought and were injured during the second World War.

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By *arlomaleMan over a year ago

darlington

Wasn’t the stoke city fans giving one of there players stick for refusing to wear a poppy

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I have not read all the posts,so forgive me if I repeat anything.My father served 10 years in the Royal Marines mostly on ships 1939-45.The first Russian convoy then all over the world.Bombed at Gaudalcanal where 10 of his mates were vaporised and then torpedoed.He and millions of others made a sacrifice to stop us being invaded.Since 1945 the politicians have trashed their memory by allowing this country to be invaded without a shot being fired.They shed crocodile tears for people like my father.That is why I never take any part in this.

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By *oan of DArcCouple over a year ago

Glasgow

"I have not read all the posts,so forgive me if I repeat anything.My father served 10 years in the Royal Marines mostly on ships 1939-45.The first Russian convoy then all over the world.Bombed at Gaudalcanal where 10 of his mates were vaporised and then torpedoed.He and millions of others made a sacrifice to stop us being invaded.Since 1945 the politicians have trashed their memory by allowing this country to be invaded without a shot being fired.They shed crocodile tears for people like my father.That is why I never take any part in this."

Invaded by who? Citizens of the Commonwealth who may have fought (and died) alongside your father?

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By *ensualtouch15Man over a year ago

ashby de la zouch

Invaded by who? Citizens of the Commonwealth who may have fought (and died) alongside your father?"

I thought our ancestors were fighting the narrow minded tyranny of Nazi doctrine

The tribal eliteism of the Nazi doctrine ?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

The Attlee government gave right of abode in the UK to every Commenwealth citizen.Probably about 2 billion people.Very sensible !Who stopped the Japanese at Kohima and Imphal ? Not Indian troops.If you want to know how good Indian troops were,read "The Naked Island" by Russell Braddon.

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By *irkydirkyMan over a year ago

Stevenage

Well they certainly made up for when they went and invaded and illegally occupied other nations..

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

" Not Indian troops.If you want to know how good Indian troops were,read "The Naked Island" by Russell Braddon."

FFS.... It’s not about “how good” he was or they were... They served, and for this country. Isn’t that good enough for you?

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By *andare63 OP Man over a year ago

oldham

"I watched yet another Brexit debate last night the audience was as you would expect made up of a mixed spread of ethnicities. No problem there !!

But what I did have a problem with and it was clear to see that only the white British in the audience were wearing Poppy’s . Does anyone else find this difficult to swallow ?

I'm a black man.

Sometimes I wear a poppy.

Sometimes I don't.

Just like a lot of other folks, black & white.

My grandfather served during the second world war.

What I won't do is wear one to appease wankers who make erroneous judgements about me and my patriotism, it says a lot more about them than it does me."

Yes I can see you are a black man . I don’t need to be told . My best mate is a black guy , so I do recognise one when I see one . Wearing a poppy isn’t about appeasing wankers as you eloquently phrase it . Of course it’s a choice and I accept that . I wear a poppy to remember the fallen and their sacrifice not the wars or the atrocities . My original point albeit clumsily phrased , was more to do with less and less people seem to be wearing the poppy and did that signify that younger generations are sadly forgetting .

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By *risky_MareWoman over a year ago

...Up on the Downs

I've had veterans message and thank me for my pic, and some ghastly woman slagging me off for it.....whatever, I'll carry on wearing one in a spirit of respect.

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By *ssex_tomMan over a year ago

Chelmsford

I can't get my head around those who respect the right to not wear a poppy.. surely the default position is not to wear it and if you want to then fill your boots..

Newsreaders and footballers defending why they don't wear one is ridiculous..

So if somebody says to me..

Your not wearing a poppy..

I say... Off with you

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman over a year ago

evesham

"I've had veterans message and thank me for my pic, and some ghastly woman slagging me off for it.....whatever, I'll carry on wearing one in a spirit of respect.

Hmmmm....men like a pic of a poppy on your tits and one woman doesn't? How peculiar

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman over a year ago

evesham

"I watched yet another Brexit debate last night the audience was as you would expect made up of a mixed spread of ethnicities. No problem there !!

But what I did have a problem with and it was clear to see that only the white British in the audience were wearing Poppy’s . Does anyone else find this difficult to swallow ?

I'm a black man.

Sometimes I wear a poppy.

Sometimes I don't.

Just like a lot of other folks, black & white.

My grandfather served during the second world war.

What I won't do is wear one to appease wankers who make erroneous judgements about me and my patriotism, it says a lot more about them than it does me.

So why mention people's race then Iv your point want about that? You could have just said surprisingly few people in the audience were wearinh one.

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By *risky_MareWoman over a year ago

...Up on the Downs

"I've had veterans message and thank me for my pic, and some ghastly woman slagging me off for it.....whatever, I'll carry on wearing one in a spirit of respect.

Hmmmm....men like a pic of a poppy on your tits and one woman doesn't? How peculiar "

Never any excuse for rudeness regardless.

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman over a year ago

evesham

"I've had veterans message and thank me for my pic, and some ghastly woman slagging me off for it.....whatever, I'll carry on wearing one in a spirit of respect.

Hmmmm....men like a pic of a poppy on your tits and one woman doesn't? How peculiar

Never any excuse for rudeness regardless."

Didn't say there was

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By *risky_MareWoman over a year ago

...Up on the Downs

"I've had veterans message and thank me for my pic, and some ghastly woman slagging me off for it.....whatever, I'll carry on wearing one in a spirit of respect.

Hmmmm....men like a pic of a poppy on your tits and one woman doesn't? How peculiar

Never any excuse for rudeness regardless.

Didn't say there was"

I'm getting a feeling of aggression from your comments for some reason - am I mistaken?

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By *andare63 OP Man over a year ago

oldham

"I watched yet another Brexit debate last night the audience was as you would expect made up of a mixed spread of ethnicities. No problem there !!

But what I did have a problem with and it was clear to see that only the white British in the audience were wearing Poppy’s . Does anyone else find this difficult to swallow ?

I'm a black man.

Sometimes I wear a poppy.

Sometimes I don't.

Just like a lot of other folks, black & white.

My grandfather served during the second world war.

What I won't do is wear one to appease wankers who make erroneous judgements about me and my patriotism, it says a lot more about them than it does me.

So why mention people's race then Iv your point want about that? You could have just said surprisingly few people in the audience were wearinh one. "

Yes I did say it was clumsily phrased . But regardless the majority of people wearing the poppy in that audience that night were white . Is that wrong of me to say ?

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By *ara JTV/TS over a year ago

Bristol East

I'll remember your father.

You? I'll happily forget you ever existed.

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By *ANDA2Couple over a year ago

Henley Arden

"The Attlee government gave right of abode in the UK to every Commenwealth citizen.Probably about 2 billion people.Very sensible !Who stopped the Japanese at Kohima and Imphal ? Not Indian troops.If you want to know how good Indian troops were,read "The Naked Island" by Russell Braddon."

Think you need to broaden your reading.

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By *andare63 OP Man over a year ago

oldham

"I watched yet another Brexit debate last night the audience was as you would expect made up of a mixed spread of ethnicities. No problem there !!

But what I did have a problem with and it was clear to see that only the white British in the audience were wearing Poppy’s . Does anyone else find this difficult to swallow ?

I'm a black man.

Sometimes I wear a poppy.

Sometimes I don't.

Just like a lot of other folks, black & white.

My grandfather served during the second world war.

What I won't do is wear one to appease wankers who make erroneous judgements about me and my patriotism, it says a lot more about them than it does me.

So why mention people's race then Iv your point want about that? You could have just said surprisingly few people in the audience were wearinh one. "

Incidentally why are you trying to tell me what I can or can’t say in a forum ?

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By *etter the devil you knowWoman over a year ago

Lyndhurst

No not really my husband gives £5 to poppy seller but doesnt wear a poppy.

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman over a year ago

evesham

"I watched yet another Brexit debate last night the audience was as you would expect made up of a mixed spread of ethnicities. No problem there !!

But what I did have a problem with and it was clear to see that only the white British in the audience were wearing Poppy’s . Does anyone else find this difficult to swallow ?

I'm a black man.

Sometimes I wear a poppy.

Sometimes I don't.

Just like a lot of other folks, black & white.

My grandfather served during the second world war.

What I won't do is wear one to appease wankers who make erroneous judgements about me and my patriotism, it says a lot more about them than it does me.

So why mention people's race then Iv your point want about that? You could have just said surprisingly few people in the audience were wearinh one.

Incidentally why are you trying to tell me what I can or can’t say in a forum ? "

Nope.... Simply asking a question as you seem to be confused as to what your point is.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I always give money but won't wear a poppy.

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman over a year ago

evesham

"I watched yet another Brexit debate last night the audience was as you would expect made up of a mixed spread of ethnicities. No problem there !!

But what I did have a problem with and it was clear to see that only the white British in the audience were wearing Poppy’s . Does anyone else find this difficult to swallow ?

I'm a black man.

Sometimes I wear a poppy.

Sometimes I don't.

Just like a lot of other folks, black & white.

My grandfather served during the second world war.

What I won't do is wear one to appease wankers who make erroneous judgements about me and my patriotism, it says a lot more about them than it does me.

So why mention people's race then Iv your point want about that? You could have just said surprisingly few people in the audience were wearinh one.

Yes I did say it was clumsily phrased . But regardless the majority of people wearing the poppy in that audience that night were white . Is that wrong of me to say ?"

Again.... Nope. Show me where I said it was.

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By *ensualtouch15Man over a year ago

ashby de la zouch

"I've had veterans message and thank me for my pic, and some ghastly woman slagging me off for it.....whatever, I'll carry on wearing one in a spirit of respect.

Just for my brain

Veterans of which war? Have messaged you on fab ?

Gulf I'm guessing ?

As 1945 and earlier makes them rather old for fab xxx

Depends why you wear your poppy and despite protestations UK humans wear them for a number of reasons

Some I back whole heartedly

Some I don't and there is no way of knowing a persons motive

I don't wear one I am a verbal opponent of war as a solution and verbally respect all who have lost their lives in war, to avoid any ambiguity x

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman over a year ago

evesham

"I've had veterans message and thank me for my pic, and some ghastly woman slagging me off for it.....whatever, I'll carry on wearing one in a spirit of respect.

Hmmmm....men like a pic of a poppy on your tits and one woman doesn't? How peculiar

Never any excuse for rudeness regardless.

Didn't say there was

I'm getting a feeling of aggression from your comments for some reason - am I mistaken?"

Yep. My original reply to you was sarcasm, probably poorly expressed, presuming the veterans who appreciated your poppy pic were men.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Think you need to broaden your reading. "

You obviously need to broaden your knowledge of history !

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple over a year ago

in Lancashire

"Very few of new incomers will have any idea what is ment and symbolised by wearing a poppy.

This is sad and that's why we need to start teaching British history again in our schools.

I could go on about it for ages, but I won't.

Totally agree . After all it’s that particular chapter in history that has invariably enabled them to stand in a studio audience and have freedom of speech .

Well i disagree..

I wear one because i choose to and i understand the symbolism of them but why should people who weren't born here in the UK have to wear them if they don't want to..

By who?

it was in both conflicts fought by many service men and women of the countries that go to make up the Commonwealth..

and others..

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By *risky_MareWoman over a year ago

...Up on the Downs

"I've had veterans message and thank me for my pic, and some ghastly woman slagging me off for it.....whatever, I'll carry on wearing one in a spirit of respect.

Hmmmm....men like a pic of a poppy on your tits and one woman doesn't? How peculiar

Never any excuse for rudeness regardless.

Didn't say there was

I'm getting a feeling of aggression from your comments for some reason - am I mistaken?

Yep. My original reply to you was sarcasm, probably poorly expressed, presuming the veterans who appreciated your poppy pic were men. "

Oh OK. Well I think most veterans are men anyway, so stuff her!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

" Not Indian troops.If you want to know how good Indian troops were,read "The Naked Island" by Russell Braddon.

FFS.... It’s not about “how good” he was or they were... They served, and for this country. Isn’t that good enough for you?"

Indian Troops didn't fight for Britain, no nation did. They all fought on the side of the Allied Forces. It was a world war - many nations had a vested interest, or treaty with both sides of the conflict and chose the side that would potentially benefit their country the most. Britain only entered the war because of a succession of broken trade treaties and "non-aggression" pacts, all the way down Europe from Poland. In effect, British people fought and died on behalf of European people.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I watched yet another Brexit debate last night the audience was as you would expect made up of a mixed spread of ethnicities. No problem there !!

But what I did have a problem with and it was clear to see that only the white British in the audience were wearing Poppy’s . Does anyone else find this difficult to swallow ?

Only White British? And you could tell that just by looking at them?

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By *oan of DArcCouple over a year ago

Glasgow

"I watched yet another Brexit debate last night the audience was as you would expect made up of a mixed spread of ethnicities. No problem there !!

But what I did have a problem with and it was clear to see that only the white British in the audience were wearing Poppy’s . Does anyone else find this difficult to swallow ?

I'm a black man.

Sometimes I wear a poppy.

Sometimes I don't.

Just like a lot of other folks, black & white.

My grandfather served during the second world war.

What I won't do is wear one to appease wankers who make erroneous judgements about me and my patriotism, it says a lot more about them than it does me.

So why mention people's race then Iv your point want about that? You could have just said surprisingly few people in the audience were wearinh one.

Yes I did say it was clumsily phrased . But regardless the majority of people wearing the poppy in that audience that night were white . Is that wrong of me to say ?"

Not at all wrong, just as it isn't 'wrong' that others draw inference from your mention of skin colour.

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By *ANDA2Couple over a year ago

Henley Arden

Think you need to broaden your reading.

You obviously need to broaden your knowledge of history !"

By the statement you made I know my knowledge of history is broader and greater than yours.

No one with any sense would base their opinion on a single source. All nationalities and armies had good and bad in them. I’ve yet to come accoss a single army which never had a case of troops running away under fire.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I find the British self loathing of its past loathsome.

I find the reluctance to face the truth about the UK's role in world events scary."

You are judging the actions of one nation carried out a long time ago by the standards of today. The British Empire wasn't the only empire of it's day, just probaly the most successful. Most developed nations of the day were empire building around the globe. WW1 was just about the Prussian Empire trying to grab a bigger share.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I watched yet another Brexit debate last night the audience was as you would expect made up of a mixed spread of ethnicities. No problem there !!

But what I did have a problem with and it was clear to see that only the white British in the audience were wearing Poppy’s . Does anyone else find this difficult to swallow ?

I'm a black man.

Sometimes I wear a poppy.

Sometimes I don't.

Just like a lot of other folks, black & white.

My grandfather served during the second world war.

What I won't do is wear one to appease wankers who make erroneous judgements about me and my patriotism, it says a lot more about them than it does me.

So why mention people's race then Iv your point want about that? You could have just said surprisingly few people in the audience were wearinh one.

Yes I did say it was clumsily phrased . But regardless the majority of people wearing the poppy in that audience that night were white . Is that wrong of me to say ?"

Yes what's the relevance?

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By *upremexMan over a year ago

liverpool. huyton. near yewtree

I wear a poppy because it's my way of saying I remember what they all did and thankyou.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Each to their own but i wear mine with pride"

Exactly this

And the fact that each and every individual has the right to an opinion on whether to wear a poppy or not is, ironically, the exact reason why I choose to wear one. It’s a show of remembrance and respect towards all those who fought and sacrificed their lives just so we can all have this very debate today.

So either way, having the freedom to discuss this very subject here, is (in its own way) a way of remembrance and respect to those who gave us the freedom to debate

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Very few of new incomers will have any idea what is ment and symbolised by wearing a poppy.

This is sad and that's why we need to start teaching British history again in our schools.

I could go on about it for ages, but I won't. "

My daughter is just 6 (yesterday) they are making poppies and wearing "war clothes" on friday. I asked her teacher if they were making blue/purple and white ones too. Just red and black was her response. Now, I feel that if they are going to teach the significance of the poppy at all (She's been in education since she turned 2 and has done poppies each year thus far) then they should teach about all poppies. Her teacher had never heard of the Dickens medal or knew what a contentious objector was.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Each to their own but i wear mine with pride

Exactly this

So either way, having the freedom to discuss this very subject here, is (in its own way) a way of remembrance and respect to those who gave us the freedom to debate

Hear hear lovely words xx

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

It's sad to see how a symbol of remembrance is used as a excuse for the nationalists to complain and preach hate towards others.

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By *upremexMan over a year ago

liverpool. huyton. near yewtree

If history about any war is to be part of schooling again then they have to make sure both sides are told and the full truth" The UK has done it's fair share of killing for its empire and robbed many other nations of its past history" we are far from white in any history and we have to deal with the back lash that we now get. All for the empire...

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By *ssex_tomMan over a year ago

Chelmsford

I'll remember your father.

You? I'll happily forget you ever existed.

Nasty

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By *imiUKMan over a year ago

Hereford

"Each to their own but i wear mine with pride

Exactly this

So either way, having the freedom to discuss this very subject here, is (in its own way) a way of remembrance and respect to those who gave us the freedom to debate

Except the poppy came about to remember WW1. Those who died couldn't often even vote. The "war" to give us the freedom to debate, and the freedom to choose our leaders was fought at home, through political struggle.

We remember them, the millions who were sacrificed needlessly on the altar of mechanised warfare.

There is no pride, only remembrance.

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By *ssex_tomMan over a year ago

Chelmsford

I am sure she is fully informed to make up her own mind... From aged two.. impressive

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By *eavenscentitCouple over a year ago

barnstaple

I wish they had treated widows and their children better after WWI. My Great Grandmother and children lived in poverty.

I find this time very sad.

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By *rsTrellisWoman over a year ago

Cambridge

The poppies are one charity’s very successful FUNDRAISING campaign which we can each choose to support, or not, just like we choose whether to buy and wear a red ribbon on World AIDS Day.

The Royal British Legion’s poppy fundraiser isn’t morally superior or inferior to any other fundraising campaign for a worthy cause.

You personally may buy a poppy in remembrance of someone specific, or as recognition of lives lost in unimaginable ways, or because you like the ceremony or any other personal reason. That’s fine.

But if someone else chooses to donate their pound quietly, to a different charity, without wearing a badge to tell us all they did, that’s fine too.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Intestingly, in the event of a 3rd world war... I wonder in todays society, how many would:

A) Volunteer

B) Abide by National conscription

C) conscientiously object

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By *ssex_tomMan over a year ago

Chelmsford

"The poppies are one charity’s very successful FUNDRAISING campaign which we can each choose to support, or not, just like we choose whether to buy and wear a red ribbon on World AIDS Day.

The Royal British Legion’s poppy fundraiser isn’t morally superior or inferior to any other fundraising campaign for a worthy cause.

You personally may buy a poppy in remembrance of someone specific, or as recognition of lives lost in unimaginable ways, or because you like the ceremony or any other personal reason. That’s fine.

But if someone else chooses to donate their pound quietly, to a different charity, without wearing a badge to tell us all they did, that’s fine too.

This

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By *irkydirkyMan over a year ago

Stevenage

"Intestingly, in the event of a 3rd world war... I wonder in todays society, how many would:

A) Volunteer

B) Abide by National conscription

C) conscientiously object"

Very tough question for here seeing as the UK/US would prob be the oppressers

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By *ust RachelTV/TS over a year ago

Horsham

That reminds me, I need to get this years metal poppy.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Can you see any irony in berating people for exercising a freedom (i.e. not wearing a poppy) that you say was hard won on their behalf while insisting that they behave how you think they should?"

Thread winner

Equally you could argue that the prosperity enjoyed in the UK was at least in part attained from robbing colonial nations of their bounties.

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By *evaquitCouple over a year ago

Catthorpe

"I watched yet another Brexit debate last night the audience was as you would expect made up of a mixed spread of ethnicities. No problem there !!

But what I did have a problem with and it was clear to see that only the white British in the audience were wearing Poppy’s . Does anyone else find this difficult to swallow ?

Rubbish!!

I (he) don't wear one because I have no desire to. Personally I don't like wearing badges or anything like that, or drawing attention, that's just me. I do visit many areas of northern France numerous times a year and pay my respects whilst there. Mrs N always wears the poppy, doesn't mean she respects the war dead more than me, we pay our respects in our own way. Degenerating it to racial profiling from a television programme is in poor taste in my opinion and too simplistic for me, op. Just sayin'.

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By *ssex_tomMan over a year ago

Chelmsford

Equally you could argue that the prosperity enjoyed in the UK was at least in part attained from robbing colonial nations of their bounties.

You could argue that but none of the prosperity came my way..

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Equally you could argue that the prosperity enjoyed in the UK was at least in part attained from robbing colonial nations of their bounties.

You could argue that but none of the prosperity came my way..

You have a computer/phone and internet

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman over a year ago

evesham

Equally you could argue that the prosperity enjoyed in the UK was at least in part attained from robbing colonial nations of their bounties.

You could argue that but none of the prosperity came my way..

Really? You don't know you're living. Got a roof over your head? Food in your fridge? Enough spare cash for Internet connection and/or mobile phone with a data package.....

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By *evaquitCouple over a year ago

Catthorpe

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By *ssex_tomMan over a year ago

Chelmsford

You could argue that but none of the prosperity came my way..

You have a computer/phone and internet

Blimey.. I am rich..

So do the economic migrants ..

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By *andare63 OP Man over a year ago

oldham

"I watched yet another Brexit debate last night the audience was as you would expect made up of a mixed spread of ethnicities. No problem there !!

But what I did have a problem with and it was clear to see that only the white British in the audience were wearing Poppy’s . Does anyone else find this difficult to swallow ?

Rubbish!!

No you are quite right . How silly of me

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman over a year ago

evesham

You could argue that but none of the prosperity came my way..

You have a computer/phone and internet

Blimey.. I am rich..

So do the economic migrants .."

Do you really believe you are poor?

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By *ssex_tomMan over a year ago

Chelmsford

You could argue that but none of the prosperity came my way..

You have a computer/phone and internet

Blimey.. I am rich..

So do the economic migrants ..

Do you really believe you are poor? "

I have a mobile phone. I use my local library for decent internet access.. I feed my children with the help of a foodbank.. am I poor ?

Intellectually or Emotionally. You decide.. but my family never profited from the empire, big society or EU but the big guns do

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By *alking DisasterWoman over a year ago

South Oxfordshire

"It's also extremely rare to see a youngster/student age wearing one either. Schools don't seem to promote Remembrance in the way they promote other events, especially if they're "cultural". Shame.

Do not agree with your last comment it is taught in schools and my local school actively participate in Remembrance Sunday. "

My 7 year old niece will be taking part in her first service on Sunday as part of the Brownies.

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By *ssex_tomMan over a year ago

Chelmsford

And no complaints from me Evie. I live in social housing with no land. I cannot get an allotment but I can catch rabbits, skin them and cook them. I feed my kids and we love each other.. now ask again..

Am I poor ?

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By *ittleAcornMan over a year ago

visiting the beach

I was 10 years in the Army, and wear one for specific personal reasons.

However, I am quite happy for others not to. In fact I don't like the fact that every single person on TV wears one.

It seems to be simply to avoid getting flak from the likes of the Daily Mail.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Intestingly, in the event of a 3rd world war... I wonder in todays society, how many would:

A) Volunteer

B) Abide by National conscription

C) conscientiously object

I would get some suicide tablets (the government will supply them), because the aftermath of the day's destruction will be a nightmare for the survivors

Very tough question for here seeing as the UK/US would prob be the oppressers "

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By *hyscouseMan over a year ago

liverpool

Wear one (I do), don’t wear one. It’s a personal choice. Too much passive aggression in the last few years re the wearing of a poppy

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By *ara JTV/TS over a year ago

Bristol East

"Intestingly, in the event of a 3rd world war... I wonder in todays society, how many would:

A) Volunteer

B) Abide by National conscription

C) conscientiously object"

You have not read the "general war plan" of the US, then.

There is nothing left. Of Russia. Of China. Of Europe.

Every single weapon unleashed at once.

So don't worry too much about who'll be popping down the Army recruitment office. It won't exist. Neither will you. Or I.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Wearing a poppy should not be a political thing, each to their own, but I wear my poppy in rememberance of those who lost their lives.

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By *andare63 OP Man over a year ago

oldham

"I watched yet another Brexit debate last night the audience was as you would expect made up of a mixed spread of ethnicities. No problem there !!

But what I did have a problem with and it was clear to see that only the white British in the audience were wearing Poppy’s . Does anyone else find this difficult to swallow ?

How do you know every white person wearing a poppy was British?

Surely all white people are British and all the rest are those nasty immigrants, clearly the tone taken by the op as so many of these posts go.

Every chance a significant number were fighting against the British but its OK they don't look out of place to people like the op. "

Many of these posts as you say go the way fools want them to go . Did I mention immigrants ? Did I say all whites were British in the audience?

What I said was I watched a programme debating Brexit . Every white person that spoke was British and wore a poppy . Now I know that’s a freedom of choice . But what I also noticed was a diverse audience of all ethnicities,,, possibly many born in Britain . I also noted not one of them wore a poppy but eager to exercise their freedom of speech . . Again nothing wrong with that . But watching that last night just made me feel that remembrance will soon be forgotten

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By *ild_oatsMan over a year ago

the land of saints & sinners

I find the British self loathing of its past loathsome.

I find the reluctance to face the truth about the UK's role in world events scary.

Imperial Germany cannot be solely held responsible for the ww1 its causes can be traced directly back to the defeat of Napoleon and the subsequent Congress of Vienna in 1814. This resulted in the carve up of Europe between two rival sets of powers – Germany and Austria-Hungary on the one hand, and Russia, France, and Great Britain on the other. This caused political, territorial and economic conflicts, militarism and building of a complex web of alliances and alignments, imperialism, the growth of nationalism, unresolved territorial disputes and the power vacuum created by the decline of the Ottoman Empire.

Here endeth the history lesson...

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