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By *el65 OP Man
over a year ago
paisley |
so tonight some people thought it was fun to build an effigy of the Grenfell tower and put it on a fire pit and laugh about it .
considering so many people lost there lives , I have to ask
1- why did you do it, are you that sick
2- and if you did think this was a great idea? why not show your faces for everyone to see, |
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"so tonight some people thought it was fun to build an effigy of the Grenfell tower and put it on a fire pit and laugh about it .
considering so many people lost there lives , I have to ask
1- why did you do it, are you that sick
2- and if you did think this was a great idea? why not show your faces for everyone to see, "
Cunts.
Throw them on the fucking bonfire..... |
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I'm surprised they filmed it with people's faces showing. Their behaviour was indefensible and in front of children.
I'm sure it won't be long before they are identified and hopefully publicly humiliated - apparent the only law they have broken is that of human decency |
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Oh good, we can form an orderly lynch mob now and start the process of ruining their lives.
Ffs grow up. You can actually hear someone say on the video "some people have really bad taste". That's exactly what it is. Nothing more, nothing less.
Let's not miss an opportunity to virtue signal though  |
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By *el65 OP Man
over a year ago
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"Oh good, we can form an orderly lynch mob now and start the process of ruining their lives.
Ffs grow up. You can actually hear someone say on the video "some people have really bad taste". That's exactly what it is. Nothing more, nothing less.
Let's not miss an opportunity to virtue signal though "
bad taste? is that it? okay no worries
no one is an angel , but this is just fucked up
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"Oh good, we can form an orderly lynch mob now and start the process of ruining their lives.
Ffs grow up. You can actually hear someone say on the video "some people have really bad taste". That's exactly what it is. Nothing more, nothing less.
Let's not miss an opportunity to virtue signal though
bad taste? is that it? okay no worries
no one is an angel , but this is just fucked up
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If you want to live in a free society then people are going to do things you think are fucked up. I still think you'd prefer that than living in a society that isn't free. Nothing to see here, move along nicely now. |
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By *el65 OP Man
over a year ago
paisley |
"Oh good, we can form an orderly lynch mob now and start the process of ruining their lives.
Ffs grow up. You can actually hear someone say on the video "some people have really bad taste". That's exactly what it is. Nothing more, nothing less.
Let's not miss an opportunity to virtue signal though
bad taste? is that it? okay no worries
no one is an angel , but this is just fucked up
If you want to live in a free society then people are going to do things you think are fucked up. I still think you'd prefer that than living in a society that isn't free. Nothing to see here, move along nicely now. "
lol, I do believe in freedom of speech , and every one no matter who it is entitled to the opinion even I and other do not agree with it including you or anyone else , but as you say its freedom of speech and mines is these people are scum and according to you im entitled to say that , fud!
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"Oh good, we can form an orderly lynch mob now and start the process of ruining their lives.
Ffs grow up. You can actually hear someone say on the video "some people have really bad taste". That's exactly what it is. Nothing more, nothing less.
Let's not miss an opportunity to virtue signal though
bad taste? is that it? okay no worries
no one is an angel , but this is just fucked up
If you want to live in a free society then people are going to do things you think are fucked up. I still think you'd prefer that than living in a society that isn't free. Nothing to see here, move along nicely now.
lol, I do believe in freedom of speech , and every one no matter who it is entitled to the opinion even I and other do not agree with it including you or anyone else , but as you say its freedom of speech and mines is these people are scum and according to you im entitled to say that , fud!
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In my opinion, if people care about the victims, the best policy is to give it as little air time as possible. What does this story really mean - oh look in a population of 66 million people we can find ~8 morons. Hardly a surprise. |
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By *el65 OP Man
over a year ago
paisley |
"Oh good, we can form an orderly lynch mob now and start the process of ruining their lives.
Ffs grow up. You can actually hear someone say on the video "some people have really bad taste". That's exactly what it is. Nothing more, nothing less.
Let's not miss an opportunity to virtue signal though
bad taste? is that it? okay no worries
no one is an angel , but this is just fucked up
If you want to live in a free society then people are going to do things you think are fucked up. I still think you'd prefer that than living in a society that isn't free. Nothing to see here, move along nicely now.
lol, I do believe in freedom of speech , and every one no matter who it is entitled to the opinion even I and other do not agree with it including you or anyone else , but as you say its freedom of speech and mines is these people are scum and according to you im entitled to say that , fud!
In my opinion, if people care about the victims, the best policy is to give it as little air time as possible. What does this story really mean - oh look in a population of 66 million people we can find ~8 morons. Hardly a surprise. "
unfortunately there are a lot more than 8 , as every knows , but may I ask a question?
if a member of you family or a friend had ever died in a similar situation , or had been a member of the emergency services who had to face this situation , would you be so blasie about it ? |
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I could be PC but I’ll say what many people in this country really think.
Grenfell was terrible but....
I’ve worked hard in order to own the property I live in. If it burned down, would the council house me? Nope - as a single male they wouldn’t....
I doubt they’d put me up in a 5* hotel either. |
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"Oh good, we can form an orderly lynch mob now and start the process of ruining their lives.
Ffs grow up. You can actually hear someone say on the video "some people have really bad taste". That's exactly what it is. Nothing more, nothing less.
Let's not miss an opportunity to virtue signal though
bad taste? is that it? okay no worries
no one is an angel , but this is just fucked up
If you want to live in a free society then people are going to do things you think are fucked up. I still think you'd prefer that than living in a society that isn't free. Nothing to see here, move along nicely now.
lol, I do believe in freedom of speech , and every one no matter who it is entitled to the opinion even I and other do not agree with it including you or anyone else , but as you say its freedom of speech and mines is these people are scum and according to you im entitled to say that , fud!
In my opinion, if people care about the victims, the best policy is to give it as little air time as possible. What does this story really mean - oh look in a population of 66 million people we can find ~8 morons. Hardly a surprise.
unfortunately there are a lot more than 8 , as every knows , but may I ask a question?
if a member of you family or a friend had ever died in a similar situation , or had been a member of the emergency services who had to face this situation , would you be so blasie about it ? "
Do you ever wonder why jurys aren't composed of family members of the accused and alledged victim? Because being close to something doesn't give you a more objective view point. |
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"so tonight some people thought it was fun to build an effigy of the Grenfell tower and put it on a fire pit and laugh about it .
considering so many people lost there lives , I have to ask
1- why did you do it, are you that sick
2- and if you did think this was a great idea? why not show your faces for everyone to see, "
Not a great idea, and in poor taste for sure, but maybe they just have a dark sense of humour and find internet virtue signalling thoroughly boring  . |
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over a year ago
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"I could be PC but I’ll say what many people in this country really think.
Grenfell was terrible but....
I’ve worked hard in order to own the property I live in. If it burned down, would the council house me? Nope - as a single male they wouldn’t....
I doubt they’d put me up in a 5* hotel either. "
The point is, it shouldn't have burned down. It was the council's responsibility to make the block safe, and they failed. If you rented your house out and it burned down because of your lax attitude to safety you would be putting your tenants up in a hotel. |
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"I could be PC but I’ll say what many people in this country really think.
Grenfell was terrible but....
I’ve worked hard in order to own the property I live in. If it burned down, would the council house me? Nope - as a single male they wouldn’t....
I doubt they’d put me up in a 5* hotel either.
The point is, it shouldn't have burned down. It was the council's responsibility to make the block safe, and they failed. If you rented your house out and it burned down because of your lax attitude to safety you would be putting your tenants up in a hotel. "
It shouldn’t have burned down, but, isn’t it also true that the council had just spent a few million quid refurbishing it to the required regulatory standards?
I just get fed up with the argument that the whole thing was about austerity etc. It was more a failing of successive governments to tighten up standards. Isn’t it also true that many of those flats had been illegally sublet?
And the question remains, if my privately owned property burned down, would my local council house me? The answer is “no”!
I don’t mean to sound callous, but these are relevant points to consider. |
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"I could be PC but I’ll say what many people in this country really think.
Grenfell was terrible but....
I’ve worked hard in order to own the property I live in. If it burned down, would the council house me? Nope - as a single male they wouldn’t....
I doubt they’d put me up in a 5* hotel either.
The point is, it shouldn't have burned down. It was the council's responsibility to make the block safe, and they failed. If you rented your house out and it burned down because of your lax attitude to safety you would be putting your tenants up in a hotel.
It shouldn’t have burned down, but, isn’t it also true that the council had just spent a few million quid refurbishing it to the required regulatory standards?
I just get fed up with the argument that the whole thing was about austerity etc. It was more a failing of successive governments to tighten up standards. Isn’t it also true that many of those flats had been illegally sublet?
And the question remains, if my privately owned property burned down, would my local council house me? The answer is “no”!
I don’t mean to sound callous, but these are relevant points to consider. "
They are only housing the people in the tower because they have the responsibility of rehousing them, as they are their tenants. You would be compensated for the loss of your building and contents, unless it was your own fault your house burnt down. |
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"I could be PC but I’ll say what many people in this country really think.
Grenfell was terrible but....
I’ve worked hard in order to own the property I live in. If it burned down, would the council house me? Nope - as a single male they wouldn’t....
I doubt they’d put me up in a 5* hotel either.
The point is, it shouldn't have burned down. It was the council's responsibility to make the block safe, and they failed. If you rented your house out and it burned down because of your lax attitude to safety you would be putting your tenants up in a hotel.
It shouldn’t have burned down, but, isn’t it also true that the council had just spent a few million quid refurbishing it to the required regulatory standards?
I just get fed up with the argument that the whole thing was about austerity etc. It was more a failing of successive governments to tighten up standards. Isn’t it also true that many of those flats had been illegally sublet?
And the question remains, if my privately owned property burned down, would my local council house me? The answer is “no”!
I don’t mean to sound callous, but these are relevant points to consider.
They are only housing the people in the tower because they have the responsibility of rehousing them, as they are their tenants. You would be compensated for the loss of your building and contents, unless it was your own fault your house burnt down. "
But many in that tower weren’t the correct tenants at all - they were illegal occupiers who had been wrongfully sublet to.
Compensated by whom? The insurance company? Maybe eventually.
Would my local council have a responsibility to house me if my property burned down? They’d say no! But shouldn’t they have, as someone whose paid 40% tax for the last decade?!
World’s smallest violin playing for the Grenfell residents from me I’m afraid.... |
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By *ojoTV/TS
over a year ago
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"Oh good, we can form an orderly lynch mob now and start the process of ruining their lives.
Ffs grow up. You can actually hear someone say on the video "some people have really bad taste". That's exactly what it is. Nothing more, nothing less.
Let's not miss an opportunity to virtue signal though "
Here here..
Meanwhile the true perpetrators of the crime (I'm looking at you Royal Borough of Kensington Council - for installing plastic window frames and flammable cladding, The London Fire Brigade top Brass - outsourcing their training for such an event to private company Babcock who merely showed computer simulations / sending firefighters into the blaze with minimum of necessary equipment leading to firefighters re-entering the building with no breathing apparatus,) once again get away with the usual early retirement c/o the taxpayer.
They're the true villans of the piece...  |
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This happens every year, we’ve seen Boris, Trump and Theresa May on bonfires. Have a look at some of the bonfires in Northern Ireland on 12th July. I’m not saying what these idiots done is right but everyone’s definition of “Humour” is different. |
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"This happens every year, we’ve seen Boris, Trump and Theresa May on bonfires. Have a look at some of the bonfires in Northern Ireland on 12th July. I’m not saying what these idiots done is right but everyone’s definition of “Humour” is different. "
Only an effigy of TM sadly.
On a serious note, I wouldn’t like to see her burned, but my god that woman needs to go.
Let’s get Brexit over the line first in some shape or form.  |
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If you want to live in a free society then people are going to do things you think are fucked up. I still think you'd prefer that than living in a society that isn't free. Nothing to see here, move along nicely now. "
Freedom without a common set of morals regarding what's acceptable, what's not, and what are the consequences of breaking said morals, is not freedom. That's anarchy.
If I had to choose between a society that isn't free by Western definitions, and a society whereby the police can actually say that burning effigies representing a horrific national tragedy such as Grenfell doesn't constitute a hate crime and wouldn't even be subject successfully to societal vigilante blowback because of how morally offensive it is, then give me a society that isn't free any day of the week.
Can you imagine if someone burnt the Twin Towers in effigy and tried to pass it off as a joke? That's how horrific this incident is. It normalises the unacceptable. And you'd think societally we'd have agreed on what morals we held collectively as a society and what lines we simply DO NOT CROSS in the name of humour, and the consequences of doing so. But clearly we haven't. It's inexcusable. It's deplorable. And it's saddening to see apologists who would argue for such incidents to be treated with a "live and let live with idiots" attitude in the name of "freedom". How safe will you feel in future when some group or someone far more malicious turns up and abuses said freedom to do something more insidious? |
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If you want to live in a free society then people are going to do things you think are fucked up. I still think you'd prefer that than living in a society that isn't free. Nothing to see here, move along nicely now.
Freedom without a common set of morals regarding what's acceptable, what's not, and what are the consequences of breaking said morals, is not freedom. That's anarchy.
If I had to choose between a society that isn't free by Western definitions, and a society whereby the police can actually say that burning effigies representing a horrific national tragedy such as Grenfell doesn't constitute a hate crime and wouldn't even be subject successfully to societal vigilante blowback because of how morally offensive it is, then give me a society that isn't free any day of the week.
Can you imagine if someone burnt the Twin Towers in effigy and tried to pass it off as a joke? That's how horrific this incident is. It normalises the unacceptable. And you'd think societally we'd have agreed on what morals we held collectively as a society and what lines we simply DO NOT CROSS in the name of humour, and the consequences of doing so. But clearly we haven't. It's inexcusable. It's deplorable. And it's saddening to see apologists who would argue for such incidents to be treated with a "live and let live with idiots" attitude in the name of "freedom". How safe will you feel in future when some group or someone far more malicious turns up and abuses said freedom to do something more insidious? "
I pretty much agree with all the logic in that, but as a value system then I'd still put free speech about people getting their feelings hurt by tasteless humour |
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If you want to live in a free society then people are going to do things you think are fucked up. I still think you'd prefer that than living in a society that isn't free. Nothing to see here, move along nicely now.
Freedom without a common set of morals regarding what's acceptable, what's not, and what are the consequences of breaking said morals, is not freedom. That's anarchy.
If I had to choose between a society that isn't free by Western definitions, and a society whereby the police can actually say that burning effigies representing a horrific national tragedy such as Grenfell doesn't constitute a hate crime and wouldn't even be subject successfully to societal vigilante blowback because of how morally offensive it is, then give me a society that isn't free any day of the week.
Can you imagine if someone burnt the Twin Towers in effigy and tried to pass it off as a joke? That's how horrific this incident is. It normalises the unacceptable. And you'd think societally we'd have agreed on what morals we held collectively as a society and what lines we simply DO NOT CROSS in the name of humour, and the consequences of doing so. But clearly we haven't. It's inexcusable. It's deplorable. And it's saddening to see apologists who would argue for such incidents to be treated with a "live and let live with idiots" attitude in the name of "freedom". How safe will you feel in future when some group or someone far more malicious turns up and abuses said freedom to do something more insidious?
I pretty much agree with all the logic in that, but as a value system then I'd still put free speech about people getting their feelings hurt by tasteless humour "
I agree, but where we differ is that I'd put free speech above tasteless humour getting their just punishment and blowback, THEN both of these above people getting their feelings hurt by tasteless humour.
Tasteless humour such as burning Grenfell effigies should be punishable enough by themselves without needing to justify using "hurt feelings by people" into it. It's basically reenacting what may as well be a crime. |
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If you want to live in a free society then people are going to do things you think are fucked up. I still think you'd prefer that than living in a society that isn't free. Nothing to see here, move along nicely now.
Freedom without a common set of morals regarding what's acceptable, what's not, and what are the consequences of breaking said morals, is not freedom. That's anarchy.
If I had to choose between a society that isn't free by Western definitions, and a society whereby the police can actually say that burning effigies representing a horrific national tragedy such as Grenfell doesn't constitute a hate crime and wouldn't even be subject successfully to societal vigilante blowback because of how morally offensive it is, then give me a society that isn't free any day of the week.
Can you imagine if someone burnt the Twin Towers in effigy and tried to pass it off as a joke? That's how horrific this incident is. It normalises the unacceptable. And you'd think societally we'd have agreed on what morals we held collectively as a society and what lines we simply DO NOT CROSS in the name of humour, and the consequences of doing so. But clearly we haven't. It's inexcusable. It's deplorable. And it's saddening to see apologists who would argue for such incidents to be treated with a "live and let live with idiots" attitude in the name of "freedom". How safe will you feel in future when some group or someone far more malicious turns up and abuses said freedom to do something more insidious? "
I’ve heard and seen lots of jokes about the twin towers. And many about Grenfel.
People (perhaps including you) need to lighten up a little. It was a joke that went a little out of hand.
What I think is sad is how we seem to have reached a point in this country where something humorous (albeit in poor taste) is seen as worthy of police intervention.
Meanwhile the London stabbing rate is going through the roof because those same police are afraid of being accused of racism...
We need to get our priorities straight in this country and decide whether we value human lives over moral indignation. |
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I’ve heard and seen lots of jokes about the twin towers. And many about Grenfel.
People (perhaps including you) need to lighten up a little. It was a joke that went a little out of hand.
What I think is sad is how we seem to have reached a point in this country where something humorous (albeit in poor taste) is seen as worthy of police intervention.
Meanwhile the London stabbing rate is going through the roof because those same police are afraid of being accused of racism...
We need to get our priorities straight in this country and decide whether we value human lives over moral indignation. "
I'm afraid it isn't about "lightening up" about jokes or not.
You do know people in the UK have been using that same line about 'lightening up" to Jews complaining that they've been subjected to increasing antisemitic treatment within the Labour Party? If that has been now found to be unacceptable, then your entire line about just telling people to lighten up about jokes that go out of hand not even by accident but by design has just been rendered bust too.
And the issue about London stabbing rates, and the police's inability to cope with them without being subjected to accusations of racism thanks to Stop and Search is an entirely different issue altogether, in no way comparable with the horror that was Grenfell. |
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If you want to live in a free society then people are going to do things you think are fucked up. I still think you'd prefer that than living in a society that isn't free. Nothing to see here, move along nicely now.
Freedom without a common set of morals regarding what's acceptable, what's not, and what are the consequences of breaking said morals, is not freedom. That's anarchy.
If I had to choose between a society that isn't free by Western definitions, and a society whereby the police can actually say that burning effigies representing a horrific national tragedy such as Grenfell doesn't constitute a hate crime and wouldn't even be subject successfully to societal vigilante blowback because of how morally offensive it is, then give me a society that isn't free any day of the week.
Can you imagine if someone burnt the Twin Towers in effigy and tried to pass it off as a joke? That's how horrific this incident is. It normalises the unacceptable. And you'd think societally we'd have agreed on what morals we held collectively as a society and what lines we simply DO NOT CROSS in the name of humour, and the consequences of doing so. But clearly we haven't. It's inexcusable. It's deplorable. And it's saddening to see apologists who would argue for such incidents to be treated with a "live and let live with idiots" attitude in the name of "freedom". How safe will you feel in future when some group or someone far more malicious turns up and abuses said freedom to do something more insidious?
I’ve heard and seen lots of jokes about the twin towers. And many about Grenfel.
People (perhaps including you) need to lighten up a little. It was a joke that went a little out of hand.
What I think is sad is how we seem to have reached a point in this country where something humorous (albeit in poor taste) is seen as worthy of police intervention.
Meanwhile the London stabbing rate is going through the roof because those same police are afraid of being accused of racism...
We need to get our priorities straight in this country and decide whether we value human lives over moral indignation. "
If a 'joke' like this was dealt with by the police then perhaps someone would think twice about puncturing another human being with a blade. |
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If you want to live in a free society then people are going to do things you think are fucked up. I still think you'd prefer that than living in a society that isn't free. Nothing to see here, move along nicely now.
Freedom without a common set of morals regarding what's acceptable, what's not, and what are the consequences of breaking said morals, is not freedom. That's anarchy.
If I had to choose between a society that isn't free by Western definitions, and a society whereby the police can actually say that burning effigies representing a horrific national tragedy such as Grenfell doesn't constitute a hate crime and wouldn't even be subject successfully to societal vigilante blowback because of how morally offensive it is, then give me a society that isn't free any day of the week.
Can you imagine if someone burnt the Twin Towers in effigy and tried to pass it off as a joke? That's how horrific this incident is. It normalises the unacceptable. And you'd think societally we'd have agreed on what morals we held collectively as a society and what lines we simply DO NOT CROSS in the name of humour, and the consequences of doing so. But clearly we haven't. It's inexcusable. It's deplorable. And it's saddening to see apologists who would argue for such incidents to be treated with a "live and let live with idiots" attitude in the name of "freedom". How safe will you feel in future when some group or someone far more malicious turns up and abuses said freedom to do something more insidious?
I’ve heard and seen lots of jokes about the twin towers. And many about Grenfel.
People (perhaps including you) need to lighten up a little. It was a joke that went a little out of hand.
What I think is sad is how we seem to have reached a point in this country where something humorous (albeit in poor taste) is seen as worthy of police intervention.
Meanwhile the London stabbing rate is going through the roof because those same police are afraid of being accused of racism...
We need to get our priorities straight in this country and decide whether we value human lives over moral indignation.
If a 'joke' like this was dealt with by the police then perhaps someone would think twice about puncturing another human being with a blade."
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I’ve heard and seen lots of jokes about the twin towers. And many about Grenfel.
People (perhaps including you) need to lighten up a little. It was a joke that went a little out of hand.
What I think is sad is how we seem to have reached a point in this country where something humorous (albeit in poor taste) is seen as worthy of police intervention.
Meanwhile the London stabbing rate is going through the roof because those same police are afraid of being accused of racism...
We need to get our priorities straight in this country and decide whether we value human lives over moral indignation.
I'm afraid it isn't about "lightening up" about jokes or not.
You do know people in the UK have been using that same line about 'lightening up" to Jews complaining that they've been subjected to increasing antisemitic treatment within the Labour Party? If that has been now found to be unacceptable, then your entire line about just telling people to lighten up about jokes that go out of hand not even by accident but by design has just been rendered bust too.
And the issue about London stabbing rates, and the police's inability to cope with them without being subjected to accusations of racism thanks to Stop and Search is an entirely different issue altogether, in no way comparable with the horror that was Grenfell. "
But isn’t it true that the police have stated they are investigating the Grenfell effigy bonfire... I for one think they need to get their priorities straight!
I’m far more concerned about a murder rate in London that now equals New York’s!
Let’s be honest: we’ve all seen the £4.99 grenfel tower candle meme, and we’ve probably all laughed at it. Sure, it’s in poor taste, but that’s how we as human beings deal with things - gallows humour.
50,000 casualties on the first day of the Somme puts Grenfell into perspective. Be thankful we are living in 2018. Sorry but shit happens and we need to lighten up a little.
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The bonfire effigy of Grenfell was very poor taste yes but I do get the feeling that now a days there seems to be an unwritten moral standard line that people have to express utter shock & outrage if it is crossed, and those that don't express this outrage at these events online then they stand accused of indecent human behaviour. |
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If the media / social media determine something needs / requires moral outrage then you're deemed inhumane if you don't join in this mass hysterical outrage.
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"5 people have now arrested for it.
Under a public order offence "
"The men have been arrested under section 4a of the Public Order Act 1986, which covers intentional "harassment, alarm or distress" caused via the use of "threatening, abusive or insulting" words or signs."
Well that covers 50% of the arguments on social media, 100% of stand up comedy and left wingers who sets fire to an effigy of our prime minister so it seems that the thought police are closing in. |
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"5 people have now arrested for it.
Under a public order offence
"The men have been arrested under section 4a of the Public Order Act 1986, which covers intentional "harassment, alarm or distress" caused via the use of "threatening, abusive or insulting" words or signs."
Well that covers 50% of the arguments on social media, 100% of stand up comedy and left wingers who sets fire to an effigy of our prime minister so it seems that the thought police are closing in. "
I don't condone what they have done i think it's disgusting. This is worrying though becoming more of a totalitarian state all the time. |
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"so tonight some people thought it was fun to build an effigy of the Grenfell tower and put it on a fire pit and laugh about it .
considering so many people lost there lives , I have to ask
1- why did you do it, are you that sick
2- and if you did think this was a great idea? why not show your faces for everyone to see, "
Some people are just c**ts. Nothing more complicated than that really. |
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"5 people have now arrested for it.
Under a public order offence
"The men have been arrested under section 4a of the Public Order Act 1986, which covers intentional "harassment, alarm or distress" caused via the use of "threatening, abusive or insulting" words or signs."
Well that covers 50% of the arguments on social media, 100% of stand up comedy and left wingers who sets fire to an effigy of our prime minister so it seems that the thought police are closing in. "
Which left wingers torched an effigy of the PM? If you are referring to the Lewes bonfire then I think you'll find they aren't left wing |
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I disagree entirely with what they did, and also the symbolism of the St George’s flag in the background. But... let’s not kid ourselves that this is the only time something like this has happened. Offensive acts have been committed for generations, the big difference now is that within minutes they are viewed by millions thanks to the media and social media. Society in general now thrives on instant reporting to quench their thirst for offence, disgust, violence, outrage etc etc.
It is the society that we have all had a hand in generating and promoting whether we like it or not. |
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"5 people have now arrested for it.
Under a public order offence
"The men have been arrested under section 4a of the Public Order Act 1986, which covers intentional "harassment, alarm or distress" caused via the use of "threatening, abusive or insulting" words or signs."
Well that covers 50% of the arguments on social media, 100% of stand up comedy and left wingers who sets fire to an effigy of our prime minister so it seems that the thought police are closing in. "
And even the PM has seen fit to comment on it.
You’d think she had bigger fish to fry at the moment! |
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"I’m far more concerned about a murder rate in London that now equals New York’s! "
January
New York – 20
London – 10
February
New York – 14
London – 18
March
New York – 21
London – 16
April
New York – 22
London – 14
May
New York – 34
London – 13
June
New York – 30
London – 9
"Equals" |
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"5 people have now arrested for it.
Under a public order offence
"The men have been arrested under section 4a of the Public Order Act 1986, which covers intentional "harassment, alarm or distress" caused via the use of "threatening, abusive or insulting" words or signs."
Well that covers 50% of the arguments on social media, 100% of stand up comedy and left wingers who sets fire to an effigy of our prime minister so it seems that the thought police are closing in.
Which left wingers torched an effigy of the PM? If you are referring to the Lewes bonfire then I think you'll find they aren't left wing"
Ok, when Magaret Thatcher died, there were 'parties' in Glasgow and Brixton where people held signs that said "the bitch is dead". How that is not a public order offence, but this is - I cannot understand. I think both are vile and both should not be crimes because i believe in free speech. But the left don't and so it seems that only one set of views gets prosecuted. Then let's not forget the ridiculous case in Scotland of the Nazi saluting dog. |
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"5 people have now arrested for it.
Under a public order offence
"The men have been arrested under section 4a of the Public Order Act 1986, which covers intentional "harassment, alarm or distress" caused via the use of "threatening, abusive or insulting" words or signs."
Well that covers 50% of the arguments on social media, 100% of stand up comedy and left wingers who sets fire to an effigy of our prime minister so it seems that the thought police are closing in.
And even the PM has seen fit to comment on it.
You’d think she had bigger fish to fry at the moment! "
It's a welcome distraction from her shit performance as a PM |
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1- Yep, there really are idiots that will do almost anything and go "there".
2- Seeing as they handed themselves in when they didn't actually commit a crime other than gross stupidity and insensitivity, I'd say that they may have seen that it wasn't the greatest idea. |
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"Ok, when Magaret Thatcher died, there were 'parties' in Glasgow and Brixton where people held signs that said "the bitch is dead". How that is not a public order offence, but this is - I cannot understand. I think both are vile and both should not be crimes because i believe in free speech. "
I agree, but let's not conflate the natural death of a divisive public figure with the mass killing by negligence of an impoverished underclass. |
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You’d think she had bigger fish to fry at the moment! "
The PM didn't visit the aftermath in a hurry and Jeremy beat her to it which embarrassed her and he took the headlines. I think her researchers just feed her lines for political gain. I doubt if the ruling classes really care .... Sadly |
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"Ok, when Magaret Thatcher died, there were 'parties' in Glasgow and Brixton where people held signs that said "the bitch is dead". How that is not a public order offence, but this is - I cannot understand. I think both are vile and both should not be crimes because i believe in free speech.
I agree, but let's not conflate the natural death of a divisive public figure with the mass killing by negligence of an impoverished underclass."
It's a question of who gets to decide what's offensive enough, the examples are irrelevant. I don't agree with a state telling us what we can and can't laugh at. There was an attempt at humour here, a very niche form of humour I grant you. |
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"1- Yep, there really are idiots that will do almost anything and go "there".
2- Seeing as they handed themselves in when they didn't actually commit a crime other than gross stupidity and insensitivity, I'd say that they may have seen that it wasn't the greatest idea."
What doesn't sit well with me is how someone woke up one day and thought "I've got a great idea for bonfire night" and took the time to construct the building, paint it, make cardboard people to stick on it and write Grenfell on it, for a laugh.
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It's not irrelevant though.
One died, having had a good innings and a life lived to its fullest achievement.
Many were killed, largely way before their time, lives snuffed out.
You can't just chuck those in the same bin, regardless of any political affiliation or feeling towards Thatcher. |
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In terms of caring about this I wonder how deeply most people care. Some care very deeply but I suspect that they are a small minority.
The Wayne Rooney thread has roughly the same amount of replies as this one.
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If you want to live in a free society then people are going to do things you think are fucked up. I still think you'd prefer that than living in a society that isn't free. Nothing to see here, move along nicely now.
Freedom without a common set of morals regarding what's acceptable, what's not, and what are the consequences of breaking said morals, is not freedom. That's anarchy.
If I had to choose between a society that isn't free by Western definitions, and a society whereby the police can actually say that burning effigies representing a horrific national tragedy such as Grenfell doesn't constitute a hate crime and wouldn't even be subject successfully to societal vigilante blowback because of how morally offensive it is, then give me a society that isn't free any day of the week.
Can you imagine if someone burnt the Twin Towers in effigy and tried to pass it off as a joke? That's how horrific this incident is. It normalises the unacceptable. And you'd think societally we'd have agreed on what morals we held collectively as a society and what lines we simply DO NOT CROSS in the name of humour, and the consequences of doing so. But clearly we haven't. It's inexcusable. It's deplorable. And it's saddening to see apologists who would argue for such incidents to be treated with a "live and let live with idiots" attitude in the name of "freedom". How safe will you feel in future when some group or someone far more malicious turns up and abuses said freedom to do something more insidious? "
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"1- Yep, there really are idiots that will do almost anything and go "there".
2- Seeing as they handed themselves in when they didn't actually commit a crime other than gross stupidity and insensitivity, I'd say that they may have seen that it wasn't the greatest idea.
What doesn't sit well with me is how someone woke up one day and thought "I've got a great idea for bonfire night" and took the time to construct the building, paint it, make cardboard people to stick on it and write Grenfell on it, for a laugh.
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I completely agree.
As an aside though, I used to like the character Johnathan Pie on his youtube channel. His earlier stuff this year and last had some interesting thoughts on censorship and freedom of speech. His (or the characters') view was that these kind of people shouldn't be prevented from making themselves known as it flags them up and gives the rest of society a glaring sign above them.
Still scant comfort to those that were directly effected by the tragedy. It's a tricky minefield and comes down to a lack of common sense, consideration, decency and exceedingly poor judgement (in my opinion). |
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"It's not irrelevant though.
One died, having had a good innings and a life lived to its fullest achievement.
Many were killed, largely way before their time, lives snuffed out.
You can't just chuck those in the same bin, regardless of any political affiliation or feeling towards Thatcher."
I can and I do. At least the grenfell morons were trying to be funny. There's no attempt at humour with "the bitch is dead", it's just offence for the sake of it. If anything, they are worse. |
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"1- Yep, there really are idiots that will do almost anything and go "there".
2- Seeing as they handed themselves in when they didn't actually commit a crime other than gross stupidity and insensitivity, I'd say that they may have seen that it wasn't the greatest idea.
What doesn't sit well with me is how someone woke up one day and thought "I've got a great idea for bonfire night" and took the time to construct the building, paint it, make cardboard people to stick on it and write Grenfell on it, for a laugh.
I completely agree.
As an aside though, I used to like the character Johnathan Pie on his youtube channel. His earlier stuff this year and last had some interesting thoughts on censorship and freedom of speech. His (or the characters') view was that these kind of people shouldn't be prevented from making themselves known as it flags them up and gives the rest of society a glaring sign above them.
Still scant comfort to those that were directly effected by the tragedy. It's a tricky minefield and comes down to a lack of common sense, consideration, decency and exceedingly poor judgement (in my opinion)."
Jonathan Pie, the guy that proves that being left doesn't mean you have to be looney. |
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"I can and I do. At least the grenfell morons were trying to be funny. There's no attempt at humour with "the bitch is dead", it's just offence for the sake of it. If anything, they are worse. "
Thanks for this. |
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Jonathan Pie, the guy that proves that being left doesn't mean you have to be looney. "
To be fair the character rips in to both sides with tongue gleefully in cheek at times whilst many lefties are completely unaware of the irony. |
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"It's not irrelevant though.
One died, having had a good innings and a life lived to its fullest achievement.
Many were killed, largely way before their time, lives snuffed out.
You can't just chuck those in the same bin, regardless of any political affiliation or feeling towards Thatcher.
I can and I do. At least the grenfell morons were trying to be funny. There's no attempt at humour with "the bitch is dead", it's just offence for the sake of it. If anything, they are worse. "
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Jonathan Pie, the guy that proves that being left doesn't mean you have to be looney.
To be fair the character rips in to both sides with tongue gleefully in cheek at times whilst many lefties are completely unaware of the irony. "
He did an interview with looney left poster boy owen Jones who told him that he wasn't a real lefty!!! |
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"I can and I do. At least the grenfell morons were trying to be funny. There's no attempt at humour with "the bitch is dead", it's just offence for the sake of it. If anything, they are worse.
Thanks for this."
You're welcome to disagree but that just shows why it's a terrible idea to start regulating humour |
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Jonathan Pie, the guy that proves that being left doesn't mean you have to be looney.
To be fair the character rips in to both sides with tongue gleefully in cheek at times whilst many lefties are completely unaware of the irony.
He did an interview with looney left poster boy owen Jones who told him that he wasn't a real lefty!!! "
Technically that is correct  |
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I'd rather people weren't idiots but then hey there you go, there's plenty around which is why you can't base your society based upon leftist notions that EVERYBODY is lovely and the only thing stopping them is capitalism. |
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It was a massive error in judgement... but they’ve not killed anyone, the way that oaf Piers Morgan was goin on was vile... wants than publicly flogged and ruined...
... they realised their error and handed themselves in... a slap on the wrist and move on should suffice |
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Can you imagine if someone burnt the Twin Towers in effigy and tried to pass it off as a joke? "
Two British students won a halloween club night dressed as the flaming twin towers complete with falling bodies. Needless to say the families were distressed and one of the girls, whose father was an airline pilot didn't find it funny either, but the police didn't get involved. |
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