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It used to be confined to the roughest areas, now there is not a single part of London that is not affected it seems.
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"Stabbings in London in 2018 January 1 - Steve Frank Navarez-Jara, 20, Islington January 3 - Elizabeta Lacatusu, 44, Redbridge January 8 - Daniel Frederick, 34, died in Hackney January 9 - Dami Odeyingbo, 18, stabbed in Bromley January 11 - Harry Uzoka, 25, killed in Shepherd's Bush January 28 - Yaya Mbye, 26, stabbed in Stoke Newington January 29 - Juan Olmos Saca, 39, stabbed in Peckham January 31 - Khader Saleh, 25, stabbed at Wormwood Scrubs prison February 3 - Hasan Ozcan, 19, knifed in Barking February 3 - Kwabena Nelson, a youth worker, died after being stabbed near his home in Tottenham February 8 - Hannah Leonard, 55, stabbed in a flat in Camden February 11 - Sabri Chibani, 19, stabbed in Streatham February 13 - Saeeda Hussain, 54, stabbed in Ilford February 14 - Lord Promise Nkenda, 17, stabbed in Canning Town February 18 - Lewis Blackman, 19, knifed in Kensington February 19 - Rotimi Oshibanjo, 26, stabbed in Southall February 20 - Sadiq Mohammed, 20, stabbed in Camden February 20 - Abdikarim Hassan, 17, stabbed in Camden February 25 - Michael Boyle, 44, stabbed in the chest March 1 - Christopher Beaumont, 42, stabbed in Hammersmith March 5 - Laura Figueira, 47, stabbed in Twickenham March 5 - Kelva Smith, 20, knifed in Croydon March 14 - Lyndon Davis, 18, stabbed in Chadwell Heath March 16 - Naomi Hersi, 36, found with stab wounds at hotel near Heathrow Airport March 17 - Russell Jones, 23, stabbed in Enfield March 18 - Tyrone Silcott, 41, stabbed in Hackney March 19 - Balbir Johal, 48, knifed in Southall March 19 - A 41-year-old was stabbed to death in Waltham Forest March 20 - Beniamin Pieknyi, 21, stabbed at Stratford shopping centre March 26 - David Potter, 50, stabbed in Tooting March 29 - Reece Tshoma, 23, stabbed in Plumstead March 30 - Leyla Mtumwa, 36, found with stab wounds at a home in Haringey April 1 - A 20-year-old was stabbed in Wandsworth April 4 - A 38-year-old man was stabbed at a house in Lewisham April 4 - Israel Ogunsola, 18, was stabbed to death in Hackney on 4 April. Police were alerted by a motorist and performed first aid but the teenager died at the scene April 5 - Five teenagers and one man were stabbed in London within a space of 24 hours. One of the victims was aged 13 and left fighting for his life April 9 - A man in his 70s was stabbed four times and robbed as he returned to his Harold Hill home after collecting his pension April 12 - A woman in her 20s was arrested after stabbing a man in Isle of Dogs on April 12, 2018. April 15 - A man named locally as Raul Nicolaie was knifed to death just before 6pm in Colindale, North London. April 15 - Samantha Clarke, 38, was stabbed to death in Brixton, South West London, just after 6.30pm and police arrested a man in his 20s. April 20 - Aaron Springett, 32, died after he was found collapsed in Morden, South West London, just before 1o.30pm. A 31-year-old was arrested on suspicion of murder. April 21 - A man, 20, was stabbed to death in Finsbury Park, north London, as a leading surgeon warned of a "summer of carnage" in the capital May 17 - A man, 24, was stabbed to death in Crows Road, Barking at around 11.30pm. May 20 - A man in his 20s stabbed in Mitcham, South London May 21 - Marcel Campbell, 20, was stabbed to death just yards from Islington town hall in North London May 30 - A man, believed to be in his 40s, was stabbed to death in Kensington, West London. June 1 - A woman was found stabbed to death in Brent, North West London. June 9 - Edmond Jonuzi, 35, was stabbed to death close to Turnpike Land Tube station in North London in what is believed to be a drugs related attack. June 23 - Jordan Douherty, 15, becomes the youngest to be stabbed in London this year after being knifed in the heart in Romford, East London. June 27 - A man, 20, was stabbed to death on an estate in Edmonton, North London. June 30 - Four people were stabbed at the Garage Nation _estival in East London. July 2 - a 14-year-old boy was repeatedly stabbed on Fairbridge Road, Islington July 14 - Katerina Makunova, 17, was killed after a stabbing in Camberwell. July 25 - An 18-year-old man, Latwaan Griffiths, was stabbed to death in Camberwell. August 1 - Rapper Incognito, 23, was stabbed to death in Camberwell August 1 - Two other men were also stabbed at the scene where Incognito was killed. They were taken to hospital. August 5 - Man in his 20s fatally stabbed in Cambridge Gardens, Kingston-Upon-Thames. August 15 - Nurse Simonne Kerr, 31, was stabbed to death at her home in Grayshott Road, in Battersea August 16 - Four boys were stabbed in a "gang knife fight" in Elmington Estate, Camberwell - reportedly leaving two "disembowelled" and there were claims it was over a "belt" August 17 - A 42-year-old man was attacked just before 4.40am at a home in Waltham Forest, East London August 17 - A 63-year-old man was found stabbed to death in Walworth September 8 - A man in his 30s was stabbed in Croydon September 10 - Woman in 20s stabbed numerous times in the back in broad daylight on Anglesea Road in Woolwich September 18 - Man, 25, stabbed to death in Tufnell Park, North London, "after confronting phone mugger" October 2 - Man stabbed on busy London Overground train travelling to Hackney Central station October 4 - A teen, 15, was repeatedly stabbed during a fight in Enfield, North London October 13 - A man, 25, was found with knife wounds at Tufnell Park, at around 9.30pm. October 24 - A police officer was stabbed in the head with a screwdriver when confronting a suspected burglar in Barnet, north London. November 1 - A 15-year-old boy was knifed to death in Bellingham, south east London November 2 - A 17-year-old boy was stabbed outside Clapham South tube station before dying in hospital" Unbelievably sad! :’( I do worry about this for my son who lives just south of the river. Glad that now he is older he doesn’t party in Vauxhall or Soho anymore . Always concerned for young gay men especially as he cycles everywhere . I dont know what the answer is as knives are everywhere and easy to conceal. Young people drink / drugs makes them argumentative . Someone doesn’t like the colour of your skin or just the way you look . We have become very violent. Fire seduction got a punching in the face last weekend that could have so easily been a stabbing . Certainly is a worry for our young people | |||
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" Unbelievably sad! :’( I do worry about this for my son who lives just south of the river. Glad that now he is older he doesn’t party in Vauxhall or Soho anymore . Always concerned for young gay men especially as he cycles everywhere . I dont know what the answer is as knives are everywhere and easy to conceal. Young people drink / drugs makes them argumentative . Someone doesn’t like the colour of your skin or just the way you look . We have become very violent. Fire seduction got a punching in the face last weekend that could have so easily been a stabbing . Certainly is a worry for our young people "Young and old alike. I dance all over London and I'm frequently out very late. | |||
"Born from oblivion; bear children, hell-bound as ourselves; go into oblivion. There is nothing else. Existence is random. Has no pattern save what we imagine after staring at it for too long. No meaning save what we choose to impose. This rudderless world is not shaped by vague metaphysical forces. It is not God who kills the children. Not fate that butchers them or destiny that feeds them to the dogs. It's us. Only us." It certainly looks that way sometimes. | |||
"Stabbings in London in 2018 January 1 - Steve Frank Navarez-Jara, 20, Islington January 3 - Elizabeta Lacatusu, 44, Redbridge January 8 - Daniel Frederick, 34, died in Hackney January 9 - Dami Odeyingbo, 18, stabbed in Bromley January 11 - Harry Uzoka, 25, killed in Shepherd's Bush January 28 - Yaya Mbye, 26, stabbed in Stoke Newington January 29 - Juan Olmos Saca, 39, stabbed in Peckham January 31 - Khader Saleh, 25, stabbed at Wormwood Scrubs prison February 3 - Hasan Ozcan, 19, knifed in Barking February 3 - Kwabena Nelson, a youth worker, died after being stabbed near his home in Tottenham February 8 - Hannah Leonard, 55, stabbed in a flat in Camden February 11 - Sabri Chibani, 19, stabbed in Streatham February 13 - Saeeda Hussain, 54, stabbed in Ilford February 14 - Lord Promise Nkenda, 17, stabbed in Canning Town February 18 - Lewis Blackman, 19, knifed in Kensington February 19 - Rotimi Oshibanjo, 26, stabbed in Southall February 20 - Sadiq Mohammed, 20, stabbed in Camden February 20 - Abdikarim Hassan, 17, stabbed in Camden February 25 - Michael Boyle, 44, stabbed in the chest March 1 - Christopher Beaumont, 42, stabbed in Hammersmith March 5 - Laura Figueira, 47, stabbed in Twickenham March 5 - Kelva Smith, 20, knifed in Croydon March 14 - Lyndon Davis, 18, stabbed in Chadwell Heath March 16 - Naomi Hersi, 36, found with stab wounds at hotel near Heathrow Airport March 17 - Russell Jones, 23, stabbed in Enfield March 18 - Tyrone Silcott, 41, stabbed in Hackney March 19 - Balbir Johal, 48, knifed in Southall March 19 - A 41-year-old was stabbed to death in Waltham Forest March 20 - Beniamin Pieknyi, 21, stabbed at Stratford shopping centre March 26 - David Potter, 50, stabbed in Tooting March 29 - Reece Tshoma, 23, stabbed in Plumstead March 30 - Leyla Mtumwa, 36, found with stab wounds at a home in Haringey April 1 - A 20-year-old was stabbed in Wandsworth April 4 - A 38-year-old man was stabbed at a house in Lewisham April 4 - Israel Ogunsola, 18, was stabbed to death in Hackney on 4 April. Police were alerted by a motorist and performed first aid but the teenager died at the scene April 5 - Five teenagers and one man were stabbed in London within a space of 24 hours. One of the victims was aged 13 and left fighting for his life April 9 - A man in his 70s was stabbed four times and robbed as he returned to his Harold Hill home after collecting his pension April 12 - A woman in her 20s was arrested after stabbing a man in Isle of Dogs on April 12, 2018. April 15 - A man named locally as Raul Nicolaie was knifed to death just before 6pm in Colindale, North London. April 15 - Samantha Clarke, 38, was stabbed to death in Brixton, South West London, just after 6.30pm and police arrested a man in his 20s. April 20 - Aaron Springett, 32, died after he was found collapsed in Morden, South West London, just before 1o.30pm. A 31-year-old was arrested on suspicion of murder. April 21 - A man, 20, was stabbed to death in Finsbury Park, north London, as a leading surgeon warned of a "summer of carnage" in the capital May 17 - A man, 24, was stabbed to death in Crows Road, Barking at around 11.30pm. May 20 - A man in his 20s stabbed in Mitcham, South London May 21 - Marcel Campbell, 20, was stabbed to death just yards from Islington town hall in North London May 30 - A man, believed to be in his 40s, was stabbed to death in Kensington, West London. June 1 - A woman was found stabbed to death in Brent, North West London. June 9 - Edmond Jonuzi, 35, was stabbed to death close to Turnpike Land Tube station in North London in what is believed to be a drugs related attack. June 23 - Jordan Douherty, 15, becomes the youngest to be stabbed in London this year after being knifed in the heart in Romford, East London. June 27 - A man, 20, was stabbed to death on an estate in Edmonton, North London. June 30 - Four people were stabbed at the Garage Nation _estival in East London. July 2 - a 14-year-old boy was repeatedly stabbed on Fairbridge Road, Islington July 14 - Katerina Makunova, 17, was killed after a stabbing in Camberwell. July 25 - An 18-year-old man, Latwaan Griffiths, was stabbed to death in Camberwell. August 1 - Rapper Incognito, 23, was stabbed to death in Camberwell August 1 - Two other men were also stabbed at the scene where Incognito was killed. They were taken to hospital. August 5 - Man in his 20s fatally stabbed in Cambridge Gardens, Kingston-Upon-Thames. August 15 - Nurse Simonne Kerr, 31, was stabbed to death at her home in Grayshott Road, in Battersea August 16 - Four boys were stabbed in a "gang knife fight" in Elmington Estate, Camberwell - reportedly leaving two "disembowelled" and there were claims it was over a "belt" August 17 - A 42-year-old man was attacked just before 4.40am at a home in Waltham Forest, East London August 17 - A 63-year-old man was found stabbed to death in Walworth September 8 - A man in his 30s was stabbed in Croydon September 10 - Woman in 20s stabbed numerous times in the back in broad daylight on Anglesea Road in Woolwich September 18 - Man, 25, stabbed to death in Tufnell Park, North London, "after confronting phone mugger" October 2 - Man stabbed on busy London Overground train travelling to Hackney Central station October 4 - A teen, 15, was repeatedly stabbed during a fight in Enfield, North London October 13 - A man, 25, was found with knife wounds at Tufnell Park, at around 9.30pm. October 24 - A police officer was stabbed in the head with a screwdriver when confronting a suspected burglar in Barnet, north London. November 1 - A 15-year-old boy was knifed to death in Bellingham, south east London November 2 - A 17-year-old boy was stabbed outside Clapham South tube station before dying in hospital" That is one of the saddest posts I've seen. | |||
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"I was driving up to town yesterday, and made a sudden'rat run' detour to avoid a traffic jam that was developing after 3 police vehicles went screaming past me sirens blazing. I assumed it was a crash....only to hear today that it was yet another fatal stabbing in South London.
It used to be confined to the roughest areas, now there is not a single part of London that is not affected it seems.
What on earth can we do to bring this epidemic to an end?? "I'd like like to see a zero tolerance to the pettiest of crimes. But that would mean more police, I can't see that happening. But don't worry, austerity is over. | |||
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"know it not popular but stop and search does work.target anyone who is known gangmember would take half the knives of the streets straight away .also would meen the ones not in gangs mite feel the dnt need to carry a knife just to protect themselves . but i honestley think its gone to far now to do much about it.on the local news most days now peole are not even noticing that much "Yes absolutely. Bring back stop and search in the areas of London where this crime is most common. Of course doing that would require the police to be more focussed on solving crime than on ticking politcal correctness boxes. At the moment they seem more interested in “hate crime” and investigating dead sex offenders - as the met chief constable (I think) recently said. | |||
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"Strong role models required. I live on an estate in Hackney and so many kids on the streets. Reopen youth centers and give them something to do or goals to work towards. Most are so bored they end up drifting into gangs and used as foot soldiers. Alternative, put them in the army. Teach them discipline, self respect and how to work as a team. " do not put them in the army then they would be trained to kill foot soldiers. | |||
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"There isn't a solution achievable during austerity." You’ve swallowed Sadiq Khan’s line, then! | |||
"You’ve swallowed Sadiq Khan’s line, then! " No. I just understand economics. | |||
"You’ve swallowed Sadiq Khan’s line, then! No. I just understand economics." Word.  | |||
"You’ve swallowed Sadiq Khan’s line, then! No. I just understand economics." Well, if the last labour government had better understood economics, perhaps austerity wouldn’t have been necessary in the first place! | |||
"You’ve swallowed Sadiq Khan’s line, then! No. I just understand economics. Well, if the last labour government had better understood economics, perhaps austerity wouldn’t have been necessary in the first place! "Wow and here's me thinking it was something to do with the Worldwide Banking Crisis of 2008. | |||
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"You’ve swallowed Sadiq Khan’s line, then! No. I just understand economics. Well, if the last labour government had better understood economics, perhaps austerity wouldn’t have been necessary in the first place!
Wow and here's me thinking it was something to do with the Worldwide Banking Crisis of 2008."The recession caused by the banking crisis didn’t help (note that the government assistance in “bailing out” the banks has now largely been repaid), but the Blair/Brown government ran a budget deficit during the boom years prior to 2008. Off topic for this thread so I’ll leave it there! | |||
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This isn't just a London problem though but a UK one.
closing down all those police stations in the capital certainly hasn't helped.
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"I wish I could say the same about Glasgow Knife crime seems to be on the decrease up here As a door steward I don’t see it as we deal with it every time we are on shift Have lost 3 colleagues to stabbings and have one or two scars myself due to knife crime " I think it will get to the point where airport style security is commonplace. They've got it in a lot of workplaces now to protect large business from theft but protecting life isn't deemed to be as important so far. | |||
"Strong role models required. I live on an estate in Hackney and so many kids on the streets. Reopen youth centers and give them something to do or goals to work towards. Most are so bored they end up drifting into gangs and used as foot soldiers. Alternative, put them in the army. Teach them discipline, self respect and how to work as a team. " Lots of good sense in this post . | |||
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"There isn't a solution achievable during austerity." . So true, I'm sure all of us on here can confirm that every time we've been down on our luck we've just stabbed someone to death to get a daily meal?. No seriously people of fab, remember these people would still be alive today if only the culprits had a 50 inch flat screen TV at home and a nice warm bed. | |||
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"Maybe a start would be if the police didnt waste time on the snowflakes verbal complaints and put more feet on the beat. Long term its a social problem that will take time and money to fix" Don’t believe the bullshit you read in the daily mail. | |||
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"Maybe a start would be if the police didnt waste time on the snowflakes verbal complaints and put more feet on the beat. Long term its a social problem that will take time and money to fix" The fact is this government want the public to dislike the police because when they severely cut the police wages, benefits, increase pension contributions and work 5 years longer to get less out at the end etc the public won’t kick up a stink because the government would have them believe the police do nothing. All this bollocks about them not dealing with burglaries or sitting in an office trawling the Internet for nonsense offences is a lie and the likes of you swallow it. | |||
"Dont read newspapers matey" Snowflakes is a term created by the media so you must be reading something. | |||
"Dont read newspapers matey Snowflakes is a term created by the media so you must be reading something." I thought it went back to "fight club" not the media. | |||
"Maybe a start would be if the police didnt waste time on the snowflakes verbal complaints and put more feet on the beat. Long term its a social problem that will take time and money to fix The fact is this government want the public to dislike the police because when they severely cut the police wages, benefits, increase pension contributions and work 5 years longer to get less out at the end etc the public won’t kick up a stink because the government would have them believe the police do nothing. All this bollocks about them not dealing with burglaries or sitting in an office trawling the Internet for nonsense offences is a lie and the likes of you swallow it. " Not anti police. Have a brain make decisions on evidence. Are you a cuntstable | |||
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"Maybe a start would be if the police didnt waste time on the snowflakes verbal complaints and put more feet on the beat. Long term its a social problem that will take time and money to fix The fact is this government want the public to dislike the police because when they severely cut the police wages, benefits, increase pension contributions and work 5 years longer to get less out at the end etc the public won’t kick up a stink because the government would have them believe the police do nothing. All this bollocks about them not dealing with burglaries or sitting in an office trawling the Internet for nonsense offences is a lie and the likes of you swallow it. " They have done the same with disabled people who claim benefits. | |||
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"Strong role models required. I live on an estate in Hackney and so many kids on the streets. Reopen youth centers and give them something to do or goals to work towards. Most are so bored they end up drifting into gangs and used as foot soldiers. Alternative, put them in the army. Teach them discipline, self respect and how to work as a team. Lots of good sense in this post . "Not really, the UK often follows American trends, American gangs send people into the military to learn about weapons. | |||
"If you want the gang - knife culture to end, you need police doing full stop searches in the areas most affected, on the demographic of people most involved in committing these crimes. Successive cuts on police have reduced the officers on the beat capable of stop search, for Sus. The political correct and community groups were up in arms about the proportion of young black males stop searches in certain areas in the 90’s and early 00’s during operations like trident. If you pull the polices teeth to much, they can’t operate. Now if someone, asked my advice on how to stop this type of crime, and the cash and correct manpower was available I’d recommend deploying 4 man patrols of suitably aggressive squadies, with body armour, helmets and riot bats, CS, Tazer and 9mm as their options and saturate the trouble areas. And give them full backing to stop search and make gang members movement impossible. Also back them up when they put gobby little shits in their place. "I'll take the post with tongue and cheek, but let's be honest detection identifies a small proportion of those carrying weapons. It's plainly obvious that an holistic approach is needed. Case example being drink drive. Back in the 70's it was widely done and many people thought nothing of it or the risks. A combination of education, making it socially unacceptable and a firm application of the law, had a major impact in reducing it. It's got to be socially unacceptable, discouraged by peers and role models, made to be uncool by the community. Kids need education by families, schools, role models and as a last resort deterrents and arrests will deal with those who simply rebel. As stated by many above, sadly far too many join gangs to belong or be protected. Without alternatives the cycle continues. | |||
"Simple you get caught with a knife you go to prison for a sentence the equivalent of murder because that is your intent....there is no reason for anyone to be roaming the streets with a knife none whatsoever. The British justice system is a joke!...all the hard work our police forces do to catch these criminals and just straight up chavvy yobs, police putting there lives on the line, for the cretins to Be put infront of a judge and they give them a slap on the wrist or a pathetic sentence...there’s no deterrent anymore, that if you commit crime you won’t like he consequences. People need to be scared that if they get caught even carrying a knife there in big trouble!...BUT that’s just my opinion "Exactly. Giuliani New York style zero tolerance. More stops and searches. Harsher sentences for carrying knives. However I have heard about knives being concealed under bins, stashed in flowerbeds etc so that they are close enough to be used but the youths aren't carrying them. | |||
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"Maybe a start would be if the police didnt waste time on the snowflakes verbal complaints and put more feet on the beat. Long term its a social problem that will take time and money to fix Don’t believe the bullshit you read in the daily mail. " It was a quote from the chief constable actually  | |||
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"Tbh the only thing I could say is - don’t live in a city! In stark contrast to the op’s post I live in a small town with one of the lowest crime rates in the country. Last week I crashed my car. No one was injured thankfully - but 3 police cars turned up - 2 stayed until both cars were towed away etc and - as I was shaken and tearful - 2 police men came round to the house that evening to see if I was ok! It’s not the most exciting place on earth but my teenagers are out watching the fireworks with friends and I know they’ll be home safe by 9.30pm! Those knifing statistics make incredibly sad reading op! "Luckily for me I live outside Greater London in the 'rural' commuter belt, but as I say I dance all over London, and this latest one was in broad daylight at Sunday lunchtime in a quiet suburban street! | |||
"If you want the gang - knife culture to end, you need police doing full stop searches in the areas most affected, on the demographic of people most involved in committing these crimes. Successive cuts on police have reduced the officers on the beat capable of stop search, for Sus. The political correct and community groups were up in arms about the proportion of young black males stop searches in certain areas in the 90’s and early 00’s during operations like trident. If you pull the polices teeth to much, they can’t operate. Now if someone, asked my advice on how to stop this type of crime, and the cash and correct manpower was available I’d recommend deploying 4 man patrols of suitably aggressive squadies, with body armour, helmets and riot bats, CS, Tazer and 9mm as their options and saturate the trouble areas. And give them full backing to stop search and make gang members movement impossible. Also back them up when they put gobby little shits in their place.
I'll take the post with tongue and cheek, but let's be honest detection identifies a small proportion of those carrying weapons.
It's plainly obvious that an holistic approach is needed.
Case example being drink drive.
Back in the 70's it was widely done and many people thought nothing of it or the risks.
A combination of education, making it socially unacceptable and a firm application of the law, had a major impact in reducing it.
It's got to be socially unacceptable, discouraged by peers and role models, made to be uncool by the community. Kids need education by families, schools, role models and as a last resort deterrents and arrests will deal with those who simply rebel.
As stated by many above, sadly far too many join gangs to belong or be protected. Without alternatives the cycle continues."The communities housing these gangs and all of the apologists making excuses for this behaviour have tried all the holistic approaches with no success. The original OP was trying to say change tact and let's get bloody tough with a hard aggressive zero tolerance approach with solid backing from the general public to get the job done and start cleaning up the mess that has been allowed to perpetuate for years because no-one has had the balls to call out the problems and deal robustly. But despite most right thinking law abiding members of society willing to support this style of action it will never happen because the apologists will turn it into a political and social racial issue and disproportionate.......yawn, and so it continues. | |||
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"Like the permanent terrorism that we have now, because of the change in population this will never go away." ? What permanent terrorism ? A large part of the knife culture seems to be connected to the drug culture, it's almost a badge of honour these days. We need to tackle the gangs and one possible route would be to take their money away, either serious life destroying penalties for drug users, or legalise it and put the profits into the tax system. Or we could try the American system and legalise guns for everyone  | |||
"If you want the gang - knife culture to end, you need police doing full stop searches in the areas most affected, on the demographic of people most involved in committing these crimes. Successive cuts on police have reduced the officers on the beat capable of stop search, for Sus. The political correct and community groups were up in arms about the proportion of young black males stop searches in certain areas in the 90’s and early 00’s during operations like trident. If you pull the polices teeth to much, they can’t operate. Now if someone, asked my advice on how to stop this type of crime, and the cash and correct manpower was available I’d recommend deploying 4 man patrols of suitably aggressive squadies, with body armour, helmets and riot bats, CS, Tazer and 9mm as their options and saturate the trouble areas. And give them full backing to stop search and make gang members movement impossible. Also back them up when they put gobby little shits in their place.
I'll take the post with tongue and cheek, but let's be honest detection identifies a small proportion of those carrying weapons.
It's plainly obvious that an holistic approach is needed.
Case example being drink drive.
Back in the 70's it was widely done and many people thought nothing of it or the risks.
A combination of education, making it socially unacceptable and a firm application of the law, had a major impact in reducing it.
It's got to be socially unacceptable, discouraged by peers and role models, made to be uncool by the community. Kids need education by families, schools, role models and as a last resort deterrents and arrests will deal with those who simply rebel.
As stated by many above, sadly far too many join gangs to belong or be protected. Without alternatives the cycle continues.
The communities housing these gangs and all of the apologists making excuses for this behaviour have tried all the holistic approaches with no success. The original OP was trying to say change tact and let's get bloody tough with a hard aggressive zero tolerance approach with solid backing from the general public to get the job done and start cleaning up the mess that has been allowed to perpetuate for years because no-one has had the balls to call out the problems and deal robustly. But despite most right thinking law abiding members of society willing to support this style of action it will never happen because the apologists will turn it into a political and social racial issue and disproportionate.......yawn, and so it continues."I couldn't agree more. To me as an outsider in the UK, this says volumes about the moral and societal degeneracy and corruption of Western societies such as the UK. Everyone wants to scream about having freedoms and liberties and equality, but nobody wants to support responsibility or hard measures to ensure societal safety and wellbeing as a collective whole. I greatly sympathise with the uniformed services in the UK and Western society in general, who put themselves on the line to protect so many ingrates in society who would sooner try to grind an axe against them for perceived unfair treatment or targeted treatment instead of supporting them in getting their jobs done and keeping everyone safe. Policing against knife crime has been far too lax. The police are simply not supported enough, and every right-thinking person knows hard measures are needed to back up any "hearts and minds" soft measure initiatives on the ground to change the social acceptability of gang and knife crime amongst the youth of today in the West. Sadly, that's politically incorrect, and in a time when politicians win elections and gain power, only to have to think about how to win the next election without pissing off too many people by making politically unpopular but necessary choices, you will still see the scourge of knife crime and crime in general carry on claiming lives and everyone wringing their hands, not wanting to dirty them to do what's necessary. | |||
"Like the permanent terrorism that we have now, because of the change in population this will never go away. ? What permanent terrorism ? A large part of the knife culture seems to be connected to the drug culture, it's almost a badge of honour these days. We need to tackle the gangs and one possible route would be to take their money away, either serious life destroying penalties for drug users, or legalise it and put the profits into the tax system. Or we could try the American system and legalise guns for everyone "Or just follow Singapore in terms of its anti-crime and anti-drug policy. Death penalties all around for most drug crimes serious enough to warrant one, and long prison sentences for serious crimes like rioting and affray or possession of weapons. And actually enforce them. Never mind what the weak-minded civilians protest about it. The rule of law cannot afford to be weak or lax if it is to be fair and impartial and respected. The fear of the law has all but vanished in the West. | |||
"Like the permanent terrorism that we have now, because of the change in population this will never go away. ? What permanent terrorism ? A large part of the knife culture seems to be connected to the drug culture, it's almost a badge of honour these days. We need to tackle the gangs and one possible route would be to take their money away, either serious life destroying penalties for drug users, or legalise it and put the profits into the tax system. Or we could try the American system and legalise guns for everyone
Or just follow Singapore in terms of its anti-crime and anti-drug policy.
Death penalties all around for most drug crimes serious enough to warrant one, and long prison sentences for serious crimes like rioting and affray or possession of weapons.
And actually enforce them. Never mind what the weak-minded civilians protest about it. The rule of law cannot afford to be weak or lax if it is to be fair and impartial and respected. The fear of the law has all but vanished in the West. "Not sure I would want the death penalty back, but long prison terms chained together breaking rocks for any more than one dose of illegal drugs, along with massive fines for even a single dose that would help pay for those chains something like 10 years income over 30 years would do it. | |||
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"Like the permanent terrorism that we have now, because of the change in population this will never go away. ? What permanent terrorism ? A large part of the knife culture seems to be connected to the drug culture, it's almost a badge of honour these days. We need to tackle the gangs and one possible route would be to take their money away, either serious life destroying penalties for drug users, or legalise it and put the profits into the tax system. Or we could try the American system and legalise guns for everyone
Or just follow Singapore in terms of its anti-crime and anti-drug policy.
Death penalties all around for most drug crimes serious enough to warrant one, and long prison sentences for serious crimes like rioting and affray or possession of weapons.
And actually enforce them. Never mind what the weak-minded civilians protest about it. The rule of law cannot afford to be weak or lax if it is to be fair and impartial and respected. The fear of the law has all but vanished in the West.
Not sure I would want the death penalty back, but long prison terms chained together breaking rocks for any more than one dose of illegal drugs, along with massive fines for even a single dose that would help pay for those chains something like 10 years income over 30 years would do it. "You wanna do that when the UK's prison population is already reaching breaking point in capacity? The penal colony of Australia no longer exists you know. 
And if you go to regions in the world like the Golden Triangle in Asia where they still have the death penalty for drug-related crimes, you'll understand that those societies and regions at the heart of the supply side of things are the ones who have to deal with the worst of the illegal drugs trade in terms of societal damage, gang and drug cartel organised crime, and violence. Hence, they know how harsh deterrence needs to be in order even to keep things in check as they are bad enough already. You'll find the death penalty still has a purpose in today's world and law. | |||
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"Like the permanent terrorism that we have now, because of the change in population this will never go away. ? What permanent terrorism ? A large part of the knife culture seems to be connected to the drug culture, it's almost a badge of honour these days. We need to tackle the gangs and one possible route would be to take their money away, either serious life destroying penalties for drug users, or legalise it and put the profits into the tax system. Or we could try the American system and legalise guns for everyone
Or just follow Singapore in terms of its anti-crime and anti-drug policy.
Death penalties all around for most drug crimes serious enough to warrant one, and long prison sentences for serious crimes like rioting and affray or possession of weapons.
And actually enforce them. Never mind what the weak-minded civilians protest about it. The rule of law cannot afford to be weak or lax if it is to be fair and impartial and respected. The fear of the law has all but vanished in the West.
Not sure I would want the death penalty back, but long prison terms chained together breaking rocks for any more than one dose of illegal drugs, along with massive fines for even a single dose that would help pay for those chains something like 10 years income over 30 years would do it.
You wanna do that when the UK's prison population is already reaching breaking point in capacity?
The penal colony of Australia no longer exists you know.
And if you go to regions in the world like the Golden Triangle in Asia where they still have the death penalty for drug-related crimes, you'll understand that those societies and regions at the heart of the supply side of things are the ones who have to deal with the worst of the illegal drugs trade in terms of societal damage, gang and drug cartel organised crime, and violence. Hence, they know how harsh deterrence needs to be in order even to keep things in check as they are bad enough already. You'll find the death penalty still has a purpose in today's world and law. "The obvious flaw in your argument, such as it is, is that you fail to perceive that these harsh regimes are neither dealing with the drug problem, nor keeping it in check - they’re just harsh regimes with the same failure to deal with problems related to drugs as all the others. Reactionary thinking is a dead end, with the issue of drugs as it is with so many other issues. Progressive and intelligent thinking is what produces real, workable solutions to social ills, and when it comes to drugs that means decriminalisation and regulation. | |||
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" Reactionary thinking is a dead end, with the issue of drugs as it is with so many other issues. Progressive and intelligent thinking is what produces real, workable solutions to social ills, and when it comes to drugs that means decriminalisation and regulation." It's progressive thinking that created this mess. None of these knuckle draggers could afford knives if it wasn't for the fucking welfare state. Stick them in work houses. | |||
" Reactionary thinking is a dead end, with the issue of drugs as it is with so many other issues. Progressive and intelligent thinking is what produces real, workable solutions to social ills, and when it comes to drugs that means decriminalisation and regulation. It's progressive thinking that created this mess. None of these knuckle draggers could afford knives if it wasn't for the fucking welfare state. Stick them in work houses. " Thanks for illustrating my point. | |||
"Like the permanent terrorism that we have now, because of the change in population this will never go away. ? What permanent terrorism ? A large part of the knife culture seems to be connected to the drug culture, it's almost a badge of honour these days. We need to tackle the gangs and one possible route would be to take their money away, either serious life destroying penalties for drug users, or legalise it and put the profits into the tax system. Or we could try the American system and legalise guns for everyone
Or just follow Singapore in terms of its anti-crime and anti-drug policy.
Death penalties all around for most drug crimes serious enough to warrant one, and long prison sentences for serious crimes like rioting and affray or possession of weapons.
And actually enforce them. Never mind what the weak-minded civilians protest about it. The rule of law cannot afford to be weak or lax if it is to be fair and impartial and respected. The fear of the law has all but vanished in the West.
Not sure I would want the death penalty back, but long prison terms chained together breaking rocks for any more than one dose of illegal drugs, along with massive fines for even a single dose that would help pay for those chains something like 10 years income over 30 years would do it.
You wanna do that when the UK's prison population is already reaching breaking point in capacity?
The penal colony of Australia no longer exists you know.
And if you go to regions in the world like the Golden Triangle in Asia where they still have the death penalty for drug-related crimes, you'll understand that those societies and regions at the heart of the supply side of things are the ones who have to deal with the worst of the illegal drugs trade in terms of societal damage, gang and drug cartel organised crime, and violence. Hence, they know how harsh deterrence needs to be in order even to keep things in check as they are bad enough already. You'll find the death penalty still has a purpose in today's world and law.
The obvious flaw in your argument, such as it is, is that you fail to perceive that these harsh regimes are neither dealing with the drug problem, nor keeping it in check - they’re just harsh regimes with the same failure to deal with problems related to drugs as all the others.
Reactionary thinking is a dead end, with the issue of drugs as it is with so many other issues. Progressive and intelligent thinking is what produces real, workable solutions to social ills, and when it comes to drugs that means decriminalisation and regulation."I LOVE how you somehow trust the GOVERNMENT or Big Pharma to be any better at handling the issue of recreational drug usage through decriminalisation and regulation, when you should take one look at the US and their opiod crisis and see your entire "progressive" thinking utterly dismantled. | |||
" Reactionary thinking is a dead end, with the issue of drugs as it is with so many other issues. Progressive and intelligent thinking is what produces real, workable solutions to social ills, and when it comes to drugs that means decriminalisation and regulation. It's progressive thinking that created this mess. None of these knuckle draggers could afford knives if it wasn't for the fucking welfare state. Stick them in work houses. " The welfare state has become a drag on Western societies such as the UK. Only reason why it could even exist or be funded was because of postwar US money flooding into Europe and the UK thanks to the Marshall Plan. Unfortunately, get a society hooked on welfare, fuel their individualism and entitlement complexes up to 11, and you get the mess that is British society today. | |||
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" Reactionary thinking is a dead end, with the issue of drugs as it is with so many other issues. Progressive and intelligent thinking is what produces real, workable solutions to social ills, and when it comes to drugs that means decriminalisation and regulation. It's progressive thinking that created this mess. None of these knuckle draggers could afford knives if it wasn't for the fucking welfare state. Stick them in work houses. Thanks for illustrating my point. "And to you. It's not like these murderers are coming from middle class two parent families. It's all the 'alternative lifestyles' that lefties love to promote. | |||
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"Like the permanent terrorism that we have now, because of the change in population this will never go away. ? What permanent terrorism ? A large part of the knife culture seems to be connected to the drug culture, it's almost a badge of honour these days. We need to tackle the gangs and one possible route would be to take their money away, either serious life destroying penalties for drug users, or legalise it and put the profits into the tax system. Or we could try the American system and legalise guns for everyone
Or just follow Singapore in terms of its anti-crime and anti-drug policy.
Death penalties all around for most drug crimes serious enough to warrant one, and long prison sentences for serious crimes like rioting and affray or possession of weapons.
And actually enforce them. Never mind what the weak-minded civilians protest about it. The rule of law cannot afford to be weak or lax if it is to be fair and impartial and respected. The fear of the law has all but vanished in the West.
Not sure I would want the death penalty back, but long prison terms chained together breaking rocks for any more than one dose of illegal drugs, along with massive fines for even a single dose that would help pay for those chains something like 10 years income over 30 years would do it.
You wanna do that when the UK's prison population is already reaching breaking point in capacity?
The penal colony of Australia no longer exists you know.
And if you go to regions in the world like the Golden Triangle in Asia where they still have the death penalty for drug-related crimes, you'll understand that those societies and regions at the heart of the supply side of things are the ones who have to deal with the worst of the illegal drugs trade in terms of societal damage, gang and drug cartel organised crime, and violence. Hence, they know how harsh deterrence needs to be in order even to keep things in check as they are bad enough already. You'll find the death penalty still has a purpose in today's world and law.
The obvious flaw in your argument, such as it is, is that you fail to perceive that these harsh regimes are neither dealing with the drug problem, nor keeping it in check - they’re just harsh regimes with the same failure to deal with problems related to drugs as all the others.
Reactionary thinking is a dead end, with the issue of drugs as it is with so many other issues. Progressive and intelligent thinking is what produces real, workable solutions to social ills, and when it comes to drugs that means decriminalisation and regulation.
I LOVE how you somehow trust the GOVERNMENT or Big Pharma to be any better at handling the issue of recreational drug usage through decriminalisation and regulation, when you should take one look at the US and their opiod crisis and see your entire "progressive" thinking utterly dismantled. "I invite you to try to explain why you think that is. | |||
"on the the other hand regressive thinking has been proven to be as ineffectual as it is idiotic .... how many decades has thailand been executing folks for possession and still the trade escaltes" And just imagine how much worse things would be if countries like Thailand hadn't been executing drug criminals left right and centre over the past decades. | |||
"Like the permanent terrorism that we have now, because of the change in population this will never go away. ? What permanent terrorism ? A large part of the knife culture seems to be connected to the drug culture, it's almost a badge of honour these days. We need to tackle the gangs and one possible route would be to take their money away, either serious life destroying penalties for drug users, or legalise it and put the profits into the tax system. Or we could try the American system and legalise guns for everyone
Or just follow Singapore in terms of its anti-crime and anti-drug policy.
Death penalties all around for most drug crimes serious enough to warrant one, and long prison sentences for serious crimes like rioting and affray or possession of weapons.
And actually enforce them. Never mind what the weak-minded civilians protest about it. The rule of law cannot afford to be weak or lax if it is to be fair and impartial and respected. The fear of the law has all but vanished in the West.
Not sure I would want the death penalty back, but long prison terms chained together breaking rocks for any more than one dose of illegal drugs, along with massive fines for even a single dose that would help pay for those chains something like 10 years income over 30 years would do it.
You wanna do that when the UK's prison population is already reaching breaking point in capacity?
The penal colony of Australia no longer exists you know.
And if you go to regions in the world like the Golden Triangle in Asia where they still have the death penalty for drug-related crimes, you'll understand that those societies and regions at the heart of the supply side of things are the ones who have to deal with the worst of the illegal drugs trade in terms of societal damage, gang and drug cartel organised crime, and violence. Hence, they know how harsh deterrence needs to be in order even to keep things in check as they are bad enough already. You'll find the death penalty still has a purpose in today's world and law.
The obvious flaw in your argument, such as it is, is that you fail to perceive that these harsh regimes are neither dealing with the drug problem, nor keeping it in check - they’re just harsh regimes with the same failure to deal with problems related to drugs as all the others.
Reactionary thinking is a dead end, with the issue of drugs as it is with so many other issues. Progressive and intelligent thinking is what produces real, workable solutions to social ills, and when it comes to drugs that means decriminalisation and regulation.
I LOVE how you somehow trust the GOVERNMENT or Big Pharma to be any better at handling the issue of recreational drug usage through decriminalisation and regulation, when you should take one look at the US and their opiod crisis and see your entire "progressive" thinking utterly dismantled.
I invite you to try to explain why you think that is."I invite you to just read the newspapers about the opiod crisis in the US before expecting someone on here to spoonfeed the explanation to you. | |||
"on the the other hand regressive thinking has been proven to be as ineffectual as it is idiotic .... how many decades has thailand been executing folks for possession and still the trade escaltes And just imagine how much worse things would be if countries like Thailand hadn't been executing drug criminals left right and centre over the past decades. " it would be less of an issue | |||
" Reactionary thinking is a dead end, with the issue of drugs as it is with so many other issues. Progressive and intelligent thinking is what produces real, workable solutions to social ills, and when it comes to drugs that means decriminalisation and regulation. It's progressive thinking that created this mess. None of these knuckle draggers could afford knives if it wasn't for the fucking welfare state. Stick them in work houses. Thanks for illustrating my point.
And to you. It's not like these murderers are coming from middle class two parent families. It's all the 'alternative lifestyles' that lefties love to promote. "You did it again! That’s two for two.  | |||
"on the the other hand regressive thinking has been proven to be as ineffectual as it is idiotic .... how many decades has thailand been executing folks for possession and still the trade escaltes And just imagine how much worse things would be if countries like Thailand hadn't been executing drug criminals left right and centre over the past decades. it would be less of an issue" Do you come from the region? No. Do I come from the region? Yes. Do you think you know the issue better than I do? Oh please do educate me Mr Wise Guy. | |||
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"on the the other hand regressive thinking has been proven to be as ineffectual as it is idiotic .... how many decades has thailand been executing folks for possession and still the trade escaltes And just imagine how much worse things would be if countries like Thailand hadn't been executing drug criminals left right and centre over the past decades. it would be less of an issue Do you come from the region? No. Do I come from the region? Yes. Do you think you know the issue better than I do? Oh please do educate me Mr Wise Guy. " i couldn't give a shit where you come from but you regressive idealogy has been proven as an abject waste of time, resources and effort | |||
"on the the other hand regressive thinking has been proven to be as ineffectual as it is idiotic .... how many decades has thailand been executing folks for possession and still the trade escaltes And just imagine how much worse things would be if countries like Thailand hadn't been executing drug criminals left right and centre over the past decades. it would be less of an issue Do you come from the region? No. Do I come from the region? Yes. Do you think you know the issue better than I do? Oh please do educate me Mr Wise Guy. i couldn't give a shit where you come from but you regressive idealogy has been proven as an abject waste of time, resources and effort" And your progressive and permissive ideology towards drugs in the UK has proven to be oh so successful eh? The UK has drug laws it barely bothers to enforce now when you have police guarding _estivals where people openly use drugs, and they even offer free drug testing services for druggies to see if the stuff they use is safe. Imagine that! Literally having the law there, but not bothering to enforce it. How many people have suffered because of your progressiveness? You think your progressiveness wins every time. Newsflash, it doesn't. | |||
"Like the permanent terrorism that we have now, because of the change in population this will never go away. ? What permanent terrorism ? A large part of the knife culture seems to be connected to the drug culture, it's almost a badge of honour these days. We need to tackle the gangs and one possible route would be to take their money away, either serious life destroying penalties for drug users, or legalise it and put the profits into the tax system. Or we could try the American system and legalise guns for everyone
Or just follow Singapore in terms of its anti-crime and anti-drug policy.
Death penalties all around for most drug crimes serious enough to warrant one, and long prison sentences for serious crimes like rioting and affray or possession of weapons.
And actually enforce them. Never mind what the weak-minded civilians protest about it. The rule of law cannot afford to be weak or lax if it is to be fair and impartial and respected. The fear of the law has all but vanished in the West.
Not sure I would want the death penalty back, but long prison terms chained together breaking rocks for any more than one dose of illegal drugs, along with massive fines for even a single dose that would help pay for those chains something like 10 years income over 30 years would do it.
You wanna do that when the UK's prison population is already reaching breaking point in capacity?
The penal colony of Australia no longer exists you know.
And if you go to regions in the world like the Golden Triangle in Asia where they still have the death penalty for drug-related crimes, you'll understand that those societies and regions at the heart of the supply side of things are the ones who have to deal with the worst of the illegal drugs trade in terms of societal damage, gang and drug cartel organised crime, and violence. Hence, they know how harsh deterrence needs to be in order even to keep things in check as they are bad enough already. You'll find the death penalty still has a purpose in today's world and law.
The obvious flaw in your argument, such as it is, is that you fail to perceive that these harsh regimes are neither dealing with the drug problem, nor keeping it in check - they’re just harsh regimes with the same failure to deal with problems related to drugs as all the others.
Reactionary thinking is a dead end, with the issue of drugs as it is with so many other issues. Progressive and intelligent thinking is what produces real, workable solutions to social ills, and when it comes to drugs that means decriminalisation and regulation.
I LOVE how you somehow trust the GOVERNMENT or Big Pharma to be any better at handling the issue of recreational drug usage through decriminalisation and regulation, when you should take one look at the US and their opiod crisis and see your entire "progressive" thinking utterly dismantled.
I invite you to try to explain why you think that is.
I invite you to just read the newspapers about the opiod crisis in the US before expecting someone on here to spoonfeed the explanation to you.
"‘Just read the newspapers, they’ll tell you what I think I mean!’ Oh well. | |||
"on the the other hand regressive thinking has been proven to be as ineffectual as it is idiotic .... how many decades has thailand been executing folks for possession and still the trade escaltes And just imagine how much worse things would be if countries like Thailand hadn't been executing drug criminals left right and centre over the past decades. it would be less of an issue Do you come from the region? No. Do I come from the region? Yes. Do you think you know the issue better than I do? Oh please do educate me Mr Wise Guy. i couldn't give a shit where you come from but you regressive idealogy has been proven as an abject waste of time, resources and effort And your progressive and permissive ideology towards drugs in the UK has proven to be oh so successful eh? The UK has drug laws it barely bothers to enforce now when you have police guarding _estivals where people openly use drugs, and they even offer free drug testing services for druggies to see if the stuff they use is safe. Imagine that! Literally having the law there, but not bothering to enforce it. How many people have suffered because of your progressiveness? You think your progressiveness wins every time. Newsflash, it doesn't. " despite the regressive approach the uk has had .... the trade has escalated .... proven | |||
"on the the other hand regressive thinking has been proven to be as ineffectual as it is idiotic .... how many decades has thailand been executing folks for possession and still the trade escaltes And just imagine how much worse things would be if countries like Thailand hadn't been executing drug criminals left right and centre over the past decades. it would be less of an issue Do you come from the region? No. Do I come from the region? Yes. Do you think you know the issue better than I do? Oh please do educate me Mr Wise Guy. i couldn't give a shit where you come from but you regressive idealogy has been proven as an abject waste of time, resources and effort And your progressive and permissive ideology towards drugs in the UK has proven to be oh so successful eh? The UK has drug laws it barely bothers to enforce now when you have police guarding _estivals where people openly use drugs, and they even offer free drug testing services for druggies to see if the stuff they use is safe. Imagine that! Literally having the law there, but not bothering to enforce it. How many people have suffered because of your progressiveness? You think your progressiveness wins every time. Newsflash, it doesn't. despite the regressive approach the uk has had .... the trade has escalated .... proven" Might I suggest you don't know what a "regressive" drug policy is. The UK is already considered extremely liberal compared to Asian countries like Singapore for example who would have anti-drug laws that would rightly be called "regressive" by your definitions. And then I invite you to look up drug crime statistics in Singapore, then tell me to my face that such measures don't work. | |||
"on the the other hand regressive thinking has been proven to be as ineffectual as it is idiotic .... how many decades has thailand been executing folks for possession and still the trade escaltes And just imagine how much worse things would be if countries like Thailand hadn't been executing drug criminals left right and centre over the past decades. it would be less of an issue Do you come from the region? No. Do I come from the region? Yes. Do you think you know the issue better than I do? Oh please do educate me Mr Wise Guy. " Funnily enough the most brazen and open drug use I’ve ever seen was in Thailand at a full moon party - admittedly mainly idiot westerners doing it (and no I wasn’t one of them) - but it seems a blind eye is turned. I’m not sure that drugs are the issue causing stabbings in the U.K. - it’s more gang culture and a desire from some inner city kids to be “hard” and prove a point by carrying knives. There’s also the inconvenient fact that this division is along ethnic lines, with one ethnic minority in particular being responsible for committing violent crimes of this nature - we are not allowed to acknowledge that, or course, far less consider why that might be the case and therefore deal with it! | |||
"on the the other hand regressive thinking has been proven to be as ineffectual as it is idiotic .... how many decades has thailand been executing folks for possession and still the trade escaltes And just imagine how much worse things would be if countries like Thailand hadn't been executing drug criminals left right and centre over the past decades. it would be less of an issue Do you come from the region? No. Do I come from the region? Yes. Do you think you know the issue better than I do? Oh please do educate me Mr Wise Guy. Funnily enough the most brazen and open drug use I’ve ever seen was in Thailand at a full moon party - admittedly mainly idiot westerners doing it (and no I wasn’t one of them) - but it seems a blind eye is turned. I’m not sure that drugs are the issue causing stabbings in the U.K. - it’s more gang culture and a desire from some inner city kids to be “hard” and prove a point by carrying knives. There’s also the inconvenient fact that this division is along ethnic lines, with one ethnic minority in particular being responsible for committing violent crimes of this nature - we are not allowed to acknowledge that, or course, far less consider why that might be the case and therefore deal with it! " Bro don't be coming on here stating politically incorrect facts. Didn't you drink your kool aid this morning? | |||
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"on the the other hand regressive thinking has been proven to be as ineffectual as it is idiotic .... how many decades has thailand been executing folks for possession and still the trade escaltes And just imagine how much worse things would be if countries like Thailand hadn't been executing drug criminals left right and centre over the past decades. it would be less of an issue Do you come from the region? No. Do I come from the region? Yes. Do you think you know the issue better than I do? Oh please do educate me Mr Wise Guy. i couldn't give a shit where you come from but you regressive idealogy has been proven as an abject waste of time, resources and effort And your progressive and permissive ideology towards drugs in the UK has proven to be oh so successful eh? The UK has drug laws it barely bothers to enforce now when you have police guarding _estivals where people openly use drugs, and they even offer free drug testing services for druggies to see if the stuff they use is safe. Imagine that! Literally having the law there, but not bothering to enforce it. How many people have suffered because of your progressiveness? You think your progressiveness wins every time. Newsflash, it doesn't. despite the regressive approach the uk has had .... the trade has escalated .... proven Might I suggest you don't know what a "regressive" drug policy is. The UK is already considered extremely liberal compared to Asian countries like Singapore for example who would have anti-drug laws that would rightly be called "regressive" by your definitions. And then I invite you to look up drug crime statistics in Singapore, then tell me to my face that such measures don't work. " who gives a flying fuck about singapore? but seeing as how you mention it, amrin amin says himself that there has been a 6% rise in offences year on year for the last ten years .... so there you go champ ... regressive policies don't work ... proven | |||
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"Keep it civil gents please? "It’s all getting a bit stabby in here isn’t it . | |||
"on the the other hand regressive thinking has been proven to be as ineffectual as it is idiotic .... how many decades has thailand been executing folks for possession and still the trade escaltes And just imagine how much worse things would be if countries like Thailand hadn't been executing drug criminals left right and centre over the past decades. it would be less of an issue Do you come from the region? No. Do I come from the region? Yes. Do you think you know the issue better than I do? Oh please do educate me Mr Wise Guy. i couldn't give a shit where you come from but you regressive idealogy has been proven as an abject waste of time, resources and effort And your progressive and permissive ideology towards drugs in the UK has proven to be oh so successful eh? The UK has drug laws it barely bothers to enforce now when you have police guarding _estivals where people openly use drugs, and they even offer free drug testing services for druggies to see if the stuff they use is safe. Imagine that! Literally having the law there, but not bothering to enforce it. How many people have suffered because of your progressiveness? You think your progressiveness wins every time. Newsflash, it doesn't. despite the regressive approach the uk has had .... the trade has escalated .... proven Might I suggest you don't know what a "regressive" drug policy is. The UK is already considered extremely liberal compared to Asian countries like Singapore for example who would have anti-drug laws that would rightly be called "regressive" by your definitions. And then I invite you to look up drug crime statistics in Singapore, then tell me to my face that such measures don't work. who gives a flying fuck about singapore? but seeing as how you mention it, amrin amin says himself that there has been a 6% rise in offences year on year for the last ten years .... so there you go champ ... regressive policies don't work ... proven "The example of Portugal is also very inconvenient for reactionary thinkers. It’s a country in Europe where they decriminalised drugs in 2001, and have since then seen massive drops in number of overdoses, HIV infection rates and drug-related crimes. Perhaps they never heard of Portugal. | |||
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"Roughest areas are London. Got a shit mate. What more can I say. Last year wanted to ban wood burners. Cock!" Rougher than Luton? Maybe the worst parts of Newham. Not the rest of it. | |||
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"Stabbings in London in 2018 January 1 - Steve Frank Navarez-Jara, 20, Islington January 3 - Elizabeta Lacatusu, 44, Redbridge January 8 - Daniel Frederick, 34, died in Hackney January 9 - Dami Odeyingbo, 18, stabbed in Bromley January 11 - Harry Uzoka, 25, killed in Shepherd's Bush January 28 - Yaya Mbye, 26, stabbed in Stoke Newington January 29 - Juan Olmos Saca, 39, stabbed in Peckham January 31 - Khader Saleh, 25, stabbed at Wormwood Scrubs prison February 3 - Hasan Ozcan, 19, knifed in Barking February 3 - Kwabena Nelson, a youth worker, died after being stabbed near his home in Tottenham February 8 - Hannah Leonard, 55, stabbed in a flat in Camden February 11 - Sabri Chibani, 19, stabbed in Streatham February 13 - Saeeda Hussain, 54, stabbed in Ilford February 14 - Lord Promise Nkenda, 17, stabbed in Canning Town February 18 - Lewis Blackman, 19, knifed in Kensington February 19 - Rotimi Oshibanjo, 26, stabbed in Southall February 20 - Sadiq Mohammed, 20, stabbed in Camden February 20 - Abdikarim Hassan, 17, stabbed in Camden February 25 - Michael Boyle, 44, stabbed in the chest March 1 - Christopher Beaumont, 42, stabbed in Hammersmith March 5 - Laura Figueira, 47, stabbed in Twickenham March 5 - Kelva Smith, 20, knifed in Croydon March 14 - Lyndon Davis, 18, stabbed in Chadwell Heath March 16 - Naomi Hersi, 36, found with stab wounds at hotel near Heathrow Airport March 17 - Russell Jones, 23, stabbed in Enfield March 18 - Tyrone Silcott, 41, stabbed in Hackney March 19 - Balbir Johal, 48, knifed in Southall March 19 - A 41-year-old was stabbed to death in Waltham Forest March 20 - Beniamin Pieknyi, 21, stabbed at Stratford shopping centre March 26 - David Potter, 50, stabbed in Tooting March 29 - Reece Tshoma, 23, stabbed in Plumstead March 30 - Leyla Mtumwa, 36, found with stab wounds at a home in Haringey April 1 - A 20-year-old was stabbed in Wandsworth April 4 - A 38-year-old man was stabbed at a house in Lewisham April 4 - Israel Ogunsola, 18, was stabbed to death in Hackney on 4 April. Police were alerted by a motorist and performed first aid but the teenager died at the scene April 5 - Five teenagers and one man were stabbed in London within a space of 24 hours. One of the victims was aged 13 and left fighting for his life April 9 - A man in his 70s was stabbed four times and robbed as he returned to his Harold Hill home after collecting his pension April 12 - A woman in her 20s was arrested after stabbing a man in Isle of Dogs on April 12, 2018. April 15 - A man named locally as Raul Nicolaie was knifed to death just before 6pm in Colindale, North London. April 15 - Samantha Clarke, 38, was stabbed to death in Brixton, South West London, just after 6.30pm and police arrested a man in his 20s. April 20 - Aaron Springett, 32, died after he was found collapsed in Morden, South West London, just before 1o.30pm. A 31-year-old was arrested on suspicion of murder. April 21 - A man, 20, was stabbed to death in Finsbury Park, north London, as a leading surgeon warned of a "summer of carnage" in the capital May 17 - A man, 24, was stabbed to death in Crows Road, Barking at around 11.30pm. May 20 - A man in his 20s stabbed in Mitcham, South London May 21 - Marcel Campbell, 20, was stabbed to death just yards from Islington town hall in North London May 30 - A man, believed to be in his 40s, was stabbed to death in Kensington, West London. June 1 - A woman was found stabbed to death in Brent, North West London. June 9 - Edmond Jonuzi, 35, was stabbed to death close to Turnpike Land Tube station in North London in what is believed to be a drugs related attack. June 23 - Jordan Douherty, 15, becomes the youngest to be stabbed in London this year after being knifed in the heart in Romford, East London. June 27 - A man, 20, was stabbed to death on an estate in Edmonton, North London. June 30 - Four people were stabbed at the Garage Nation _estival in East London. July 2 - a 14-year-old boy was repeatedly stabbed on Fairbridge Road, Islington July 14 - Katerina Makunova, 17, was killed after a stabbing in Camberwell. July 25 - An 18-year-old man, Latwaan Griffiths, was stabbed to death in Camberwell. August 1 - Rapper Incognito, 23, was stabbed to death in Camberwell August 1 - Two other men were also stabbed at the scene where Incognito was killed. They were taken to hospital. August 5 - Man in his 20s fatally stabbed in Cambridge Gardens, Kingston-Upon-Thames. August 15 - Nurse Simonne Kerr, 31, was stabbed to death at her home in Grayshott Road, in Battersea August 16 - Four boys were stabbed in a "gang knife fight" in Elmington Estate, Camberwell - reportedly leaving two "disembowelled" and there were claims it was over a "belt" August 17 - A 42-year-old man was attacked just before 4.40am at a home in Waltham Forest, East London August 17 - A 63-year-old man was found stabbed to death in Walworth September 8 - A man in his 30s was stabbed in Croydon September 10 - Woman in 20s stabbed numerous times in the back in broad daylight on Anglesea Road in Woolwich September 18 - Man, 25, stabbed to death in Tufnell Park, North London, "after confronting phone mugger" October 2 - Man stabbed on busy London Overground train travelling to Hackney Central station October 4 - A teen, 15, was repeatedly stabbed during a fight in Enfield, North London October 13 - A man, 25, was found with knife wounds at Tufnell Park, at around 9.30pm. October 24 - A police officer was stabbed in the head with a screwdriver when confronting a suspected burglar in Barnet, north London. November 1 - A 15-year-old boy was knifed to death in Bellingham, south east London November 2 - A 17-year-old boy was stabbed outside Clapham South tube station before dying in hospital" . Such a waste of life not all are drug related.I know in my part of North London ( Edmonton ) it’s not just a post code war with the gangs there even fights and stabbings about which gang controls which part of certain parks. | |||
"Stabbings in London in 2018 January 1 - Steve Frank Navarez-Jara, 20, Islington January 3 - Elizabeta Lacatusu, 44, Redbridge January 8 - Daniel Frederick, 34, died in Hackney January 9 - Dami Odeyingbo, 18, stabbed in Bromley January 11 - Harry Uzoka, 25, killed in Shepherd's Bush January 28 - Yaya Mbye, 26, stabbed in Stoke Newington January 29 - Juan Olmos Saca, 39, stabbed in Peckham January 31 - Khader Saleh, 25, stabbed at Wormwood Scrubs prison February 3 - Hasan Ozcan, 19, knifed in Barking February 3 - Kwabena Nelson, a youth worker, died after being stabbed near his home in Tottenham February 8 - Hannah Leonard, 55, stabbed in a flat in Camden February 11 - Sabri Chibani, 19, stabbed in Streatham February 13 - Saeeda Hussain, 54, stabbed in Ilford February 14 - Lord Promise Nkenda, 17, stabbed in Canning Town February 18 - Lewis Blackman, 19, knifed in Kensington February 19 - Rotimi Oshibanjo, 26, stabbed in Southall February 20 - Sadiq Mohammed, 20, stabbed in Camden February 20 - Abdikarim Hassan, 17, stabbed in Camden February 25 - Michael Boyle, 44, stabbed in the chest March 1 - Christopher Beaumont, 42, stabbed in Hammersmith March 5 - Laura Figueira, 47, stabbed in Twickenham March 5 - Kelva Smith, 20, knifed in Croydon March 14 - Lyndon Davis, 18, stabbed in Chadwell Heath March 16 - Naomi Hersi, 36, found with stab wounds at hotel near Heathrow Airport March 17 - Russell Jones, 23, stabbed in Enfield March 18 - Tyrone Silcott, 41, stabbed in Hackney March 19 - Balbir Johal, 48, knifed in Southall March 19 - A 41-year-old was stabbed to death in Waltham Forest March 20 - Beniamin Pieknyi, 21, stabbed at Stratford shopping centre March 26 - David Potter, 50, stabbed in Tooting March 29 - Reece Tshoma, 23, stabbed in Plumstead March 30 - Leyla Mtumwa, 36, found with stab wounds at a home in Haringey April 1 - A 20-year-old was stabbed in Wandsworth April 4 - A 38-year-old man was stabbed at a house in Lewisham April 4 - Israel Ogunsola, 18, was stabbed to death in Hackney on 4 April. Police were alerted by a motorist and performed first aid but the teenager died at the scene April 5 - Five teenagers and one man were stabbed in London within a space of 24 hours. One of the victims was aged 13 and left fighting for his life April 9 - A man in his 70s was stabbed four times and robbed as he returned to his Harold Hill home after collecting his pension April 12 - A woman in her 20s was arrested after stabbing a man in Isle of Dogs on April 12, 2018. April 15 - A man named locally as Raul Nicolaie was knifed to death just before 6pm in Colindale, North London. April 15 - Samantha Clarke, 38, was stabbed to death in Brixton, South West London, just after 6.30pm and police arrested a man in his 20s. April 20 - Aaron Springett, 32, died after he was found collapsed in Morden, South West London, just before 1o.30pm. A 31-year-old was arrested on suspicion of murder. April 21 - A man, 20, was stabbed to death in Finsbury Park, north London, as a leading surgeon warned of a "summer of carnage" in the capital May 17 - A man, 24, was stabbed to death in Crows Road, Barking at around 11.30pm. May 20 - A man in his 20s stabbed in Mitcham, South London May 21 - Marcel Campbell, 20, was stabbed to death just yards from Islington town hall in North London May 30 - A man, believed to be in his 40s, was stabbed to death in Kensington, West London. June 1 - A woman was found stabbed to death in Brent, North West London. June 9 - Edmond Jonuzi, 35, was stabbed to death close to Turnpike Land Tube station in North London in what is believed to be a drugs related attack. June 23 - Jordan Douherty, 15, becomes the youngest to be stabbed in London this year after being knifed in the heart in Romford, East London. June 27 - A man, 20, was stabbed to death on an estate in Edmonton, North London. June 30 - Four people were stabbed at the Garage Nation _estival in East London. July 2 - a 14-year-old boy was repeatedly stabbed on Fairbridge Road, Islington July 14 - Katerina Makunova, 17, was killed after a stabbing in Camberwell. July 25 - An 18-year-old man, Latwaan Griffiths, was stabbed to death in Camberwell. August 1 - Rapper Incognito, 23, was stabbed to death in Camberwell August 1 - Two other men were also stabbed at the scene where Incognito was killed. They were taken to hospital. August 5 - Man in his 20s fatally stabbed in Cambridge Gardens, Kingston-Upon-Thames. August 15 - Nurse Simonne Kerr, 31, was stabbed to death at her home in Grayshott Road, in Battersea August 16 - Four boys were stabbed in a "gang knife fight" in Elmington Estate, Camberwell - reportedly leaving two "disembowelled" and there were claims it was over a "belt" August 17 - A 42-year-old man was attacked just before 4.40am at a home in Waltham Forest, East London August 17 - A 63-year-old man was found stabbed to death in Walworth September 8 - A man in his 30s was stabbed in Croydon September 10 - Woman in 20s stabbed numerous times in the back in broad daylight on Anglesea Road in Woolwich September 18 - Man, 25, stabbed to death in Tufnell Park, North London, "after confronting phone mugger" October 2 - Man stabbed on busy London Overground train travelling to Hackney Central station October 4 - A teen, 15, was repeatedly stabbed during a fight in Enfield, North London October 13 - A man, 25, was found with knife wounds at Tufnell Park, at around 9.30pm. October 24 - A police officer was stabbed in the head with a screwdriver when confronting a suspected burglar in Barnet, north London. November 1 - A 15-year-old boy was knifed to death in Bellingham, south east London November 2 - A 17-year-old boy was stabbed outside Clapham South tube station before dying in hospital. Such a waste of life not all are drug related.I know in my part of North London ( Edmonton ) it’s not just a post code war with the gangs there even fights and stabbings about which gang controls which part of certain parks." There are idiots out there who will go to war over a facebook comment they don’t like. Some of the gangs are making their own rap videos slagging each other off and bigging themselves up. If you go on YouTube and google ‘drill’ that’s the style of rap. | |||
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"on the the other hand regressive thinking has been proven to be as ineffectual as it is idiotic .... how many decades has thailand been executing folks for possession and still the trade escaltes And just imagine how much worse things would be if countries like Thailand hadn't been executing drug criminals left right and centre over the past decades. it would be less of an issue Do you come from the region? No. Do I come from the region? Yes. Do you think you know the issue better than I do? Oh please do educate me Mr Wise Guy. i couldn't give a shit where you come from but you regressive idealogy has been proven as an abject waste of time, resources and effort And your progressive and permissive ideology towards drugs in the UK has proven to be oh so successful eh? The UK has drug laws it barely bothers to enforce now when you have police guarding _estivals where people openly use drugs, and they even offer free drug testing services for druggies to see if the stuff they use is safe. Imagine that! Literally having the law there, but not bothering to enforce it. How many people have suffered because of your progressiveness? You think your progressiveness wins every time. Newsflash, it doesn't. despite the regressive approach the uk has had .... the trade has escalated .... proven Might I suggest you don't know what a "regressive" drug policy is. The UK is already considered extremely liberal compared to Asian countries like Singapore for example who would have anti-drug laws that would rightly be called "regressive" by your definitions. And then I invite you to look up drug crime statistics in Singapore, then tell me to my face that such measures don't work. who gives a flying fuck about singapore? but seeing as how you mention it, amrin amin says himself that there has been a 6% rise in offences year on year for the last ten years .... so there you go champ ... regressive policies don't work ... proven
The example of Portugal is also very inconvenient for reactionary thinkers. It’s a country in Europe where they decriminalised drugs in 2001, and have since then seen massive drops in number of overdoses, HIV infection rates and drug-related crimes.
Perhaps they never heard of Portugal. "No it's just the example people cite when they aren't well informed or are intellectually dishonest. See what actually happened was that Portugal had a dictator called Antonio Salazar who was overthrown by a liberal revolution. By the 90's there was a heroin epidemic with 1 in 100 people addicted to that shit. So they decriminalised, not because it was smart but because it was rampant already. So obviously rates feel as the government pumped money into services, but there remain massive problems with their policy. Including a much larger rate of new AIDs infections compared to the European average. | |||
"Perhaps you need a large hit squad of new police officers, plain clothed, very resourceful and armed. You'll have to adopt 1970s policing policy. No EU rules! Let the police get on with the job. Actively target the gangs. How do you reform these people? Break them via a specialist army prison unit for a good while. Then be nice, educate and attempt to reform. Also these issues start at home and in the schools. Most teachers are very left, perhaps that needs balancing too! Not a straight forward task, this situation has been allowed to get out of hand because of the PC brigade, and before anyone says it, I use a Mac as well!" They already actively target gangs in London. They can't be everywhere at once and know when someone is going to go out and stab someone. | |||
"on the the other hand regressive thinking has been proven to be as ineffectual as it is idiotic .... how many decades has thailand been executing folks for possession and still the trade escaltes And just imagine how much worse things would be if countries like Thailand hadn't been executing drug criminals left right and centre over the past decades. it would be less of an issue Do you come from the region? No. Do I come from the region? Yes. Do you think you know the issue better than I do? Oh please do educate me Mr Wise Guy. i couldn't give a shit where you come from but you regressive idealogy has been proven as an abject waste of time, resources and effort And your progressive and permissive ideology towards drugs in the UK has proven to be oh so successful eh? The UK has drug laws it barely bothers to enforce now when you have police guarding _estivals where people openly use drugs, and they even offer free drug testing services for druggies to see if the stuff they use is safe. Imagine that! Literally having the law there, but not bothering to enforce it. How many people have suffered because of your progressiveness? You think your progressiveness wins every time. Newsflash, it doesn't. despite the regressive approach the uk has had .... the trade has escalated .... proven Might I suggest you don't know what a "regressive" drug policy is. The UK is already considered extremely liberal compared to Asian countries like Singapore for example who would have anti-drug laws that would rightly be called "regressive" by your definitions. And then I invite you to look up drug crime statistics in Singapore, then tell me to my face that such measures don't work. who gives a flying fuck about singapore? but seeing as how you mention it, amrin amin says himself that there has been a 6% rise in offences year on year for the last ten years .... so there you go champ ... regressive policies don't work ... proven
The example of Portugal is also very inconvenient for reactionary thinkers. It’s a country in Europe where they decriminalised drugs in 2001, and have since then seen massive drops in number of overdoses, HIV infection rates and drug-related crimes.
Perhaps they never heard of Portugal.
No it's just the example people cite when they aren't well informed or are intellectually dishonest. See what actually happened was that Portugal had a dictator called Antonio Salazar who was overthrown by a liberal revolution. By the 90's there was a heroin epidemic with 1 in 100 people addicted to that shit. So they decriminalised, not because it was smart but because it was rampant already. So obviously rates feel as the government pumped money into services, but there remain massive problems with their policy. Including a much larger rate of new AIDs infections compared to the European average. "This is a separate discussion from stabbings... But there *is* a good liberal argument for decriminalising *most* drugs - after all cigarettes and alcohol are legal and kill far more people than all illegal drugs put together. If people want to kill themselves in order to seek a high, shouldn’t they be able to do so in a controlled manner? | |||
"on the the other hand regressive thinking has been proven to be as ineffectual as it is idiotic .... how many decades has thailand been executing folks for possession and still the trade escaltes And just imagine how much worse things would be if countries like Thailand hadn't been executing drug criminals left right and centre over the past decades. it would be less of an issue Do you come from the region? No. Do I come from the region? Yes. Do you think you know the issue better than I do? Oh please do educate me Mr Wise Guy. i couldn't give a shit where you come from but you regressive idealogy has been proven as an abject waste of time, resources and effort And your progressive and permissive ideology towards drugs in the UK has proven to be oh so successful eh? The UK has drug laws it barely bothers to enforce now when you have police guarding _estivals where people openly use drugs, and they even offer free drug testing services for druggies to see if the stuff they use is safe. Imagine that! Literally having the law there, but not bothering to enforce it. How many people have suffered because of your progressiveness? You think your progressiveness wins every time. Newsflash, it doesn't. despite the regressive approach the uk has had .... the trade has escalated .... proven Might I suggest you don't know what a "regressive" drug policy is. The UK is already considered extremely liberal compared to Asian countries like Singapore for example who would have anti-drug laws that would rightly be called "regressive" by your definitions. And then I invite you to look up drug crime statistics in Singapore, then tell me to my face that such measures don't work. who gives a flying fuck about singapore? but seeing as how you mention it, amrin amin says himself that there has been a 6% rise in offences year on year for the last ten years .... so there you go champ ... regressive policies don't work ... proven
The example of Portugal is also very inconvenient for reactionary thinkers. It’s a country in Europe where they decriminalised drugs in 2001, and have since then seen massive drops in number of overdoses, HIV infection rates and drug-related crimes.
Perhaps they never heard of Portugal.
No it's just the example people cite when they aren't well informed or are intellectually dishonest. See what actually happened was that Portugal had a dictator called Antonio Salazar who was overthrown by a liberal revolution. By the 90's there was a heroin epidemic with 1 in 100 people addicted to that shit. So they decriminalised, not because it was smart but because it was rampant already. So obviously rates feel as the government pumped money into services, but there remain massive problems with their policy. Including a much larger rate of new AIDs infections compared to the European average. "Well you’ve obviously heard of Portugal, but you don’t seem to be able to articulate what you want to say about it. Want to give that another go to give people a chance at understanding your point? You might want to start with more clearly explaining how decriminalisation hasn’t lead to massive drops in massive drops in number of overdoses, HIV infection rates and drug-related crimes since decriminalisation in 2001, as you seem to think. Could help a bit if you try to base your thinking on the facts, rather than your feelings? | |||
"on the the other hand regressive thinking has been proven to be as ineffectual as it is idiotic .... how many decades has thailand been executing folks for possession and still the trade escaltes And just imagine how much worse things would be if countries like Thailand hadn't been executing drug criminals left right and centre over the past decades. it would be less of an issue Do you come from the region? No. Do I come from the region? Yes. Do you think you know the issue better than I do? Oh please do educate me Mr Wise Guy. i couldn't give a shit where you come from but you regressive idealogy has been proven as an abject waste of time, resources and effort And your progressive and permissive ideology towards drugs in the UK has proven to be oh so successful eh? The UK has drug laws it barely bothers to enforce now when you have police guarding _estivals where people openly use drugs, and they even offer free drug testing services for druggies to see if the stuff they use is safe. Imagine that! Literally having the law there, but not bothering to enforce it. How many people have suffered because of your progressiveness? You think your progressiveness wins every time. Newsflash, it doesn't. despite the regressive approach the uk has had .... the trade has escalated .... proven Might I suggest you don't know what a "regressive" drug policy is. The UK is already considered extremely liberal compared to Asian countries like Singapore for example who would have anti-drug laws that would rightly be called "regressive" by your definitions. And then I invite you to look up drug crime statistics in Singapore, then tell me to my face that such measures don't work. who gives a flying fuck about singapore? but seeing as how you mention it, amrin amin says himself that there has been a 6% rise in offences year on year for the last ten years .... so there you go champ ... regressive policies don't work ... proven
The example of Portugal is also very inconvenient for reactionary thinkers. It’s a country in Europe where they decriminalised drugs in 2001, and have since then seen massive drops in number of overdoses, HIV infection rates and drug-related crimes.
Perhaps they never heard of Portugal.
No it's just the example people cite when they aren't well informed or are intellectually dishonest. See what actually happened was that Portugal had a dictator called Antonio Salazar who was overthrown by a liberal revolution. By the 90's there was a heroin epidemic with 1 in 100 people addicted to that shit. So they decriminalised, not because it was smart but because it was rampant already. So obviously rates feel as the government pumped money into services, but there remain massive problems with their policy. Including a much larger rate of new AIDs infections compared to the European average.
Well you’ve obviously heard of Portugal, but you don’t seem to be able to articulate what you want to say about it. Want to give that another go to give people a chance at understanding your point?
You might want to start with more clearly explaining how decriminalisation hasn’t lead to massive drops in massive drops in number of overdoses, HIV infection rates and drug-related crimes since decriminalisation in 2001, as you seem to think.
Could help a bit if you try to base your thinking on the facts, rather than your feelings? "related hiv infections in portugal fell 90% between 2001-2007 and continue to fall | |||
"on the the other hand regressive thinking has been proven to be as ineffectual as it is idiotic .... how many decades has thailand been executing folks for possession and still the trade escaltes And just imagine how much worse things would be if countries like Thailand hadn't been executing drug criminals left right and centre over the past decades. it would be less of an issue Do you come from the region? No. Do I come from the region? Yes. Do you think you know the issue better than I do? Oh please do educate me Mr Wise Guy. i couldn't give a shit where you come from but you regressive idealogy has been proven as an abject waste of time, resources and effort And your progressive and permissive ideology towards drugs in the UK has proven to be oh so successful eh? The UK has drug laws it barely bothers to enforce now when you have police guarding _estivals where people openly use drugs, and they even offer free drug testing services for druggies to see if the stuff they use is safe. Imagine that! Literally having the law there, but not bothering to enforce it. How many people have suffered because of your progressiveness? You think your progressiveness wins every time. Newsflash, it doesn't. despite the regressive approach the uk has had .... the trade has escalated .... proven Might I suggest you don't know what a "regressive" drug policy is. The UK is already considered extremely liberal compared to Asian countries like Singapore for example who would have anti-drug laws that would rightly be called "regressive" by your definitions. And then I invite you to look up drug crime statistics in Singapore, then tell me to my face that such measures don't work. who gives a flying fuck about singapore? but seeing as how you mention it, amrin amin says himself that there has been a 6% rise in offences year on year for the last ten years .... so there you go champ ... regressive policies don't work ... proven
The example of Portugal is also very inconvenient for reactionary thinkers. It’s a country in Europe where they decriminalised drugs in 2001, and have since then seen massive drops in number of overdoses, HIV infection rates and drug-related crimes.
Perhaps they never heard of Portugal.
No it's just the example people cite when they aren't well informed or are intellectually dishonest. See what actually happened was that Portugal had a dictator called Antonio Salazar who was overthrown by a liberal revolution. By the 90's there was a heroin epidemic with 1 in 100 people addicted to that shit. So they decriminalised, not because it was smart but because it was rampant already. So obviously rates feel as the government pumped money into services, but there remain massive problems with their policy. Including a much larger rate of new AIDs infections compared to the European average.
This is a separate discussion from stabbings...
But there *is* a good liberal argument for decriminalising *most* drugs - after all cigarettes and alcohol are legal and kill far more people than all illegal drugs put together.
If people want to kill themselves in order to seek a high, shouldn’t they be able to do so in a controlled manner? "If junkies want to go into a quiet room and die then that's perfectly fine with me. The problem is that virtually all junkies can't afford to, because being a junkie makes you economically useless. So what i resent is being asked to pay for their habit either through taxes or them stealing from me. Them killing themselves is absolutely fine. To compared heroin to alcohol is laughable. Obviously if you look at the % of users who die from it, rather than the raw number, heroin comes out far worse. The reasons the raw numbers are lower are obvious. | |||
"on the the other hand regressive thinking has been proven to be as ineffectual as it is idiotic .... how many decades has thailand been executing folks for possession and still the trade escaltes And just imagine how much worse things would be if countries like Thailand hadn't been executing drug criminals left right and centre over the past decades. it would be less of an issue Do you come from the region? No. Do I come from the region? Yes. Do you think you know the issue better than I do? Oh please do educate me Mr Wise Guy. i couldn't give a shit where you come from but you regressive idealogy has been proven as an abject waste of time, resources and effort And your progressive and permissive ideology towards drugs in the UK has proven to be oh so successful eh? The UK has drug laws it barely bothers to enforce now when you have police guarding _estivals where people openly use drugs, and they even offer free drug testing services for druggies to see if the stuff they use is safe. Imagine that! Literally having the law there, but not bothering to enforce it. How many people have suffered because of your progressiveness? You think your progressiveness wins every time. Newsflash, it doesn't. despite the regressive approach the uk has had .... the trade has escalated .... proven Might I suggest you don't know what a "regressive" drug policy is. The UK is already considered extremely liberal compared to Asian countries like Singapore for example who would have anti-drug laws that would rightly be called "regressive" by your definitions. And then I invite you to look up drug crime statistics in Singapore, then tell me to my face that such measures don't work. who gives a flying fuck about singapore? but seeing as how you mention it, amrin amin says himself that there has been a 6% rise in offences year on year for the last ten years .... so there you go champ ... regressive policies don't work ... proven
The example of Portugal is also very inconvenient for reactionary thinkers. It’s a country in Europe where they decriminalised drugs in 2001, and have since then seen massive drops in number of overdoses, HIV infection rates and drug-related crimes.
Perhaps they never heard of Portugal.
No it's just the example people cite when they aren't well informed or are intellectually dishonest. See what actually happened was that Portugal had a dictator called Antonio Salazar who was overthrown by a liberal revolution. By the 90's there was a heroin epidemic with 1 in 100 people addicted to that shit. So they decriminalised, not because it was smart but because it was rampant already. So obviously rates feel as the government pumped money into services, but there remain massive problems with their policy. Including a much larger rate of new AIDs infections compared to the European average.
Well you’ve obviously heard of Portugal, but you don’t seem to be able to articulate what you want to say about it. Want to give that another go to give people a chance at understanding your point?
You might want to start with more clearly explaining how decriminalisation hasn’t lead to massive drops in massive drops in number of overdoses, HIV infection rates and drug-related crimes since decriminalisation in 2001, as you seem to think.
Could help a bit if you try to base your thinking on the facts, rather than your feelings?
related hiv infections in portugal fell 90% between 2001-2007 and continue to fall"more importantly, the murder rate in portugal has halved | |||
"Stabbings in London in 2018 January 1 - Steve Frank Navarez-Jara, 20, Islington January 3 - Elizabeta Lacatusu, 44, Redbridge January 8 - Daniel Frederick, 34, died in Hackney January 9 - Dami Odeyingbo, 18, stabbed in Bromley January 11 - Harry Uzoka, 25, killed in Shepherd's Bush January 28 - Yaya Mbye, 26, stabbed in Stoke Newington January 29 - Juan Olmos Saca, 39, stabbed in Peckham January 31 - Khader Saleh, 25, stabbed at Wormwood Scrubs prison February 3 - Hasan Ozcan, 19, knifed in Barking February 3 - Kwabena Nelson, a youth worker, died after being stabbed near his home in Tottenham February 8 - Hannah Leonard, 55, stabbed in a flat in Camden February 11 - Sabri Chibani, 19, stabbed in Streatham February 13 - Saeeda Hussain, 54, stabbed in Ilford February 14 - Lord Promise Nkenda, 17, stabbed in Canning Town February 18 - Lewis Blackman, 19, knifed in Kensington February 19 - Rotimi Oshibanjo, 26, stabbed in Southall February 20 - Sadiq Mohammed, 20, stabbed in Camden February 20 - Abdikarim Hassan, 17, stabbed in Camden February 25 - Michael Boyle, 44, stabbed in the chest March 1 - Christopher Beaumont, 42, stabbed in Hammersmith March 5 - Laura Figueira, 47, stabbed in Twickenham March 5 - Kelva Smith, 20, knifed in Croydon March 14 - Lyndon Davis, 18, stabbed in Chadwell Heath March 16 - Naomi Hersi, 36, found with stab wounds at hotel near Heathrow Airport March 17 - Russell Jones, 23, stabbed in Enfield March 18 - Tyrone Silcott, 41, stabbed in Hackney March 19 - Balbir Johal, 48, knifed in Southall March 19 - A 41-year-old was stabbed to death in Waltham Forest March 20 - Beniamin Pieknyi, 21, stabbed at Stratford shopping centre March 26 - David Potter, 50, stabbed in Tooting March 29 - Reece Tshoma, 23, stabbed in Plumstead March 30 - Leyla Mtumwa, 36, found with stab wounds at a home in Haringey April 1 - A 20-year-old was stabbed in Wandsworth April 4 - A 38-year-old man was stabbed at a house in Lewisham April 4 - Israel Ogunsola, 18, was stabbed to death in Hackney on 4 April. Police were alerted by a motorist and performed first aid but the teenager died at the scene April 5 - Five teenagers and one man were stabbed in London within a space of 24 hours. One of the victims was aged 13 and left fighting for his life April 9 - A man in his 70s was stabbed four times and robbed as he returned to his Harold Hill home after collecting his pension April 12 - A woman in her 20s was arrested after stabbing a man in Isle of Dogs on April 12, 2018. April 15 - A man named locally as Raul Nicolaie was knifed to death just before 6pm in Colindale, North London. April 15 - Samantha Clarke, 38, was stabbed to death in Brixton, South West London, just after 6.30pm and police arrested a man in his 20s. April 20 - Aaron Springett, 32, died after he was found collapsed in Morden, South West London, just before 1o.30pm. A 31-year-old was arrested on suspicion of murder. April 21 - A man, 20, was stabbed to death in Finsbury Park, north London, as a leading surgeon warned of a "summer of carnage" in the capital May 17 - A man, 24, was stabbed to death in Crows Road, Barking at around 11.30pm. May 20 - A man in his 20s stabbed in Mitcham, South London May 21 - Marcel Campbell, 20, was stabbed to death just yards from Islington town hall in North London May 30 - A man, believed to be in his 40s, was stabbed to death in Kensington, West London. June 1 - A woman was found stabbed to death in Brent, North West London. June 9 - Edmond Jonuzi, 35, was stabbed to death close to Turnpike Land Tube station in North London in what is believed to be a drugs related attack. June 23 - Jordan Douherty, 15, becomes the youngest to be stabbed in London this year after being knifed in the heart in Romford, East London. June 27 - A man, 20, was stabbed to death on an estate in Edmonton, North London. June 30 - Four people were stabbed at the Garage Nation _estival in East London. July 2 - a 14-year-old boy was repeatedly stabbed on Fairbridge Road, Islington July 14 - Katerina Makunova, 17, was killed after a stabbing in Camberwell. July 25 - An 18-year-old man, Latwaan Griffiths, was stabbed to death in Camberwell. August 1 - Rapper Incognito, 23, was stabbed to death in Camberwell August 1 - Two other men were also stabbed at the scene where Incognito was killed. They were taken to hospital. August 5 - Man in his 20s fatally stabbed in Cambridge Gardens, Kingston-Upon-Thames. August 15 - Nurse Simonne Kerr, 31, was stabbed to death at her home in Grayshott Road, in Battersea August 16 - Four boys were stabbed in a "gang knife fight" in Elmington Estate, Camberwell - reportedly leaving two "disembowelled" and there were claims it was over a "belt" August 17 - A 42-year-old man was attacked just before 4.40am at a home in Waltham Forest, East London August 17 - A 63-year-old man was found stabbed to death in Walworth September 8 - A man in his 30s was stabbed in Croydon September 10 - Woman in 20s stabbed numerous times in the back in broad daylight on Anglesea Road in Woolwich September 18 - Man, 25, stabbed to death in Tufnell Park, North London, "after confronting phone mugger" October 2 - Man stabbed on busy London Overground train travelling to Hackney Central station October 4 - A teen, 15, was repeatedly stabbed during a fight in Enfield, North London October 13 - A man, 25, was found with knife wounds at Tufnell Park, at around 9.30pm. October 24 - A police officer was stabbed in the head with a screwdriver when confronting a suspected burglar in Barnet, north London. November 1 - A 15-year-old boy was knifed to death in Bellingham, south east London November 2 - A 17-year-old boy was stabbed outside Clapham South tube station before dying in hospital. Such a waste of life not all are drug related.I know in my part of North London ( Edmonton ) it’s not just a post code war with the gangs there even fights and stabbings about which gang controls which part of certain parks." Maybe they just really love postcodes and parks?! Not all stabbings are drug related - this is a very good point. But every single one is money related, whether on a personal, community or society level. | |||
"on the the other hand regressive thinking has been proven to be as ineffectual as it is idiotic .... how many decades has thailand been executing folks for possession and still the trade escaltes And just imagine how much worse things would be if countries like Thailand hadn't been executing drug criminals left right and centre over the past decades. it would be less of an issue Do you come from the region? No. Do I come from the region? Yes. Do you think you know the issue better than I do? Oh please do educate me Mr Wise Guy. i couldn't give a shit where you come from but you regressive idealogy has been proven as an abject waste of time, resources and effort And your progressive and permissive ideology towards drugs in the UK has proven to be oh so successful eh? The UK has drug laws it barely bothers to enforce now when you have police guarding _estivals where people openly use drugs, and they even offer free drug testing services for druggies to see if the stuff they use is safe. Imagine that! Literally having the law there, but not bothering to enforce it. How many people have suffered because of your progressiveness? You think your progressiveness wins every time. Newsflash, it doesn't. despite the regressive approach the uk has had .... the trade has escalated .... proven Might I suggest you don't know what a "regressive" drug policy is. The UK is already considered extremely liberal compared to Asian countries like Singapore for example who would have anti-drug laws that would rightly be called "regressive" by your definitions. And then I invite you to look up drug crime statistics in Singapore, then tell me to my face that such measures don't work. who gives a flying fuck about singapore? but seeing as how you mention it, amrin amin says himself that there has been a 6% rise in offences year on year for the last ten years .... so there you go champ ... regressive policies don't work ... proven
The example of Portugal is also very inconvenient for reactionary thinkers. It’s a country in Europe where they decriminalised drugs in 2001, and have since then seen massive drops in number of overdoses, HIV infection rates and drug-related crimes.
Perhaps they never heard of Portugal.
No it's just the example people cite when they aren't well informed or are intellectually dishonest. See what actually happened was that Portugal had a dictator called Antonio Salazar who was overthrown by a liberal revolution. By the 90's there was a heroin epidemic with 1 in 100 people addicted to that shit. So they decriminalised, not because it was smart but because it was rampant already. So obviously rates feel as the government pumped money into services, but there remain massive problems with their policy. Including a much larger rate of new AIDs infections compared to the European average.
Well you’ve obviously heard of Portugal, but you don’t seem to be able to articulate what you want to say about it. Want to give that another go to give people a chance at understanding your point?
You might want to start with more clearly explaining how decriminalisation hasn’t lead to massive drops in massive drops in number of overdoses, HIV infection rates and drug-related crimes since decriminalisation in 2001, as you seem to think.
Could help a bit if you try to base your thinking on the facts, rather than your feelings? "Ok let me put in terms you and pieces can understand, because claiming 90% drops are stupid for the reasons I've already stated. But in simple terms: - Portugal was an enormous shit hole - It's now a normal shit hole - If we copied their policy then we'd be an AIDs infested shit hole like them, which we are not yet. | |||
"on the the other hand regressive thinking has been proven to be as ineffectual as it is idiotic .... how many decades has thailand been executing folks for possession and still the trade escaltes And just imagine how much worse things would be if countries like Thailand hadn't been executing drug criminals left right and centre over the past decades. it would be less of an issue Do you come from the region? No. Do I come from the region? Yes. Do you think you know the issue better than I do? Oh please do educate me Mr Wise Guy. i couldn't give a shit where you come from but you regressive idealogy has been proven as an abject waste of time, resources and effort And your progressive and permissive ideology towards drugs in the UK has proven to be oh so successful eh? The UK has drug laws it barely bothers to enforce now when you have police guarding _estivals where people openly use drugs, and they even offer free drug testing services for druggies to see if the stuff they use is safe. Imagine that! Literally having the law there, but not bothering to enforce it. How many people have suffered because of your progressiveness? You think your progressiveness wins every time. Newsflash, it doesn't. despite the regressive approach the uk has had .... the trade has escalated .... proven Might I suggest you don't know what a "regressive" drug policy is. The UK is already considered extremely liberal compared to Asian countries like Singapore for example who would have anti-drug laws that would rightly be called "regressive" by your definitions. And then I invite you to look up drug crime statistics in Singapore, then tell me to my face that such measures don't work. who gives a flying fuck about singapore? but seeing as how you mention it, amrin amin says himself that there has been a 6% rise in offences year on year for the last ten years .... so there you go champ ... regressive policies don't work ... proven
The example of Portugal is also very inconvenient for reactionary thinkers. It’s a country in Europe where they decriminalised drugs in 2001, and have since then seen massive drops in number of overdoses, HIV infection rates and drug-related crimes.
Perhaps they never heard of Portugal.
No it's just the example people cite when they aren't well informed or are intellectually dishonest. See what actually happened was that Portugal had a dictator called Antonio Salazar who was overthrown by a liberal revolution. By the 90's there was a heroin epidemic with 1 in 100 people addicted to that shit. So they decriminalised, not because it was smart but because it was rampant already. So obviously rates feel as the government pumped money into services, but there remain massive problems with their policy. Including a much larger rate of new AIDs infections compared to the European average.
Well you’ve obviously heard of Portugal, but you don’t seem to be able to articulate what you want to say about it. Want to give that another go to give people a chance at understanding your point?
You might want to start with more clearly explaining how decriminalisation hasn’t lead to massive drops in massive drops in number of overdoses, HIV infection rates and drug-related crimes since decriminalisation in 2001, as you seem to think.
Could help a bit if you try to base your thinking on the facts, rather than your feelings?
related hiv infections in portugal fell 90% between 2001-2007 and continue to fall
more importantly, the murder rate in portugal has halved "Hang about...you’re making it sound like decriminalisation could actually be some sort of sensible solution! | |||
"on the the other hand regressive thinking has been proven to be as ineffectual as it is idiotic .... how many decades has thailand been executing folks for possession and still the trade escaltes And just imagine how much worse things would be if countries like Thailand hadn't been executing drug criminals left right and centre over the past decades. it would be less of an issue Do you come from the region? No. Do I come from the region? Yes. Do you think you know the issue better than I do? Oh please do educate me Mr Wise Guy. i couldn't give a shit where you come from but you regressive idealogy has been proven as an abject waste of time, resources and effort And your progressive and permissive ideology towards drugs in the UK has proven to be oh so successful eh? The UK has drug laws it barely bothers to enforce now when you have police guarding _estivals where people openly use drugs, and they even offer free drug testing services for druggies to see if the stuff they use is safe. Imagine that! Literally having the law there, but not bothering to enforce it. How many people have suffered because of your progressiveness? You think your progressiveness wins every time. Newsflash, it doesn't. despite the regressive approach the uk has had .... the trade has escalated .... proven Might I suggest you don't know what a "regressive" drug policy is. The UK is already considered extremely liberal compared to Asian countries like Singapore for example who would have anti-drug laws that would rightly be called "regressive" by your definitions. And then I invite you to look up drug crime statistics in Singapore, then tell me to my face that such measures don't work. who gives a flying fuck about singapore? but seeing as how you mention it, amrin amin says himself that there has been a 6% rise in offences year on year for the last ten years .... so there you go champ ... regressive policies don't work ... proven
The example of Portugal is also very inconvenient for reactionary thinkers. It’s a country in Europe where they decriminalised drugs in 2001, and have since then seen massive drops in number of overdoses, HIV infection rates and drug-related crimes.
Perhaps they never heard of Portugal.
No it's just the example people cite when they aren't well informed or are intellectually dishonest. See what actually happened was that Portugal had a dictator called Antonio Salazar who was overthrown by a liberal revolution. By the 90's there was a heroin epidemic with 1 in 100 people addicted to that shit. So they decriminalised, not because it was smart but because it was rampant already. So obviously rates feel as the government pumped money into services, but there remain massive problems with their policy. Including a much larger rate of new AIDs infections compared to the European average.
Well you’ve obviously heard of Portugal, but you don’t seem to be able to articulate what you want to say about it. Want to give that another go to give people a chance at understanding your point?
You might want to start with more clearly explaining how decriminalisation hasn’t lead to massive drops in massive drops in number of overdoses, HIV infection rates and drug-related crimes since decriminalisation in 2001, as you seem to think.
Could help a bit if you try to base your thinking on the facts, rather than your feelings?
Ok let me put in terms you and pieces can understand, because claiming 90% drops are stupid for the reasons I've already stated. But in simple terms:
- Portugal was an enormous shit hole
- It's now a normal shit hole
- If we copied their policy then we'd be an AIDs infested shit hole like them, which we are not yet.
"Repeat after me...’I can use facts, not feelings!’ You can really do it - I believe in you! | |||
"on the the other hand regressive thinking has been proven to be as ineffectual as it is idiotic .... how many decades has thailand been executing folks for possession and still the trade escaltes And just imagine how much worse things would be if countries like Thailand hadn't been executing drug criminals left right and centre over the past decades. it would be less of an issue Do you come from the region? No. Do I come from the region? Yes. Do you think you know the issue better than I do? Oh please do educate me Mr Wise Guy. i couldn't give a shit where you come from but you regressive idealogy has been proven as an abject waste of time, resources and effort And your progressive and permissive ideology towards drugs in the UK has proven to be oh so successful eh? The UK has drug laws it barely bothers to enforce now when you have police guarding _estivals where people openly use drugs, and they even offer free drug testing services for druggies to see if the stuff they use is safe. Imagine that! Literally having the law there, but not bothering to enforce it. How many people have suffered because of your progressiveness? You think your progressiveness wins every time. Newsflash, it doesn't. despite the regressive approach the uk has had .... the trade has escalated .... proven Might I suggest you don't know what a "regressive" drug policy is. The UK is already considered extremely liberal compared to Asian countries like Singapore for example who would have anti-drug laws that would rightly be called "regressive" by your definitions. And then I invite you to look up drug crime statistics in Singapore, then tell me to my face that such measures don't work. who gives a flying fuck about singapore? but seeing as how you mention it, amrin amin says himself that there has been a 6% rise in offences year on year for the last ten years .... so there you go champ ... regressive policies don't work ... proven
The example of Portugal is also very inconvenient for reactionary thinkers. It’s a country in Europe where they decriminalised drugs in 2001, and have since then seen massive drops in number of overdoses, HIV infection rates and drug-related crimes.
Perhaps they never heard of Portugal.
No it's just the example people cite when they aren't well informed or are intellectually dishonest. See what actually happened was that Portugal had a dictator called Antonio Salazar who was overthrown by a liberal revolution. By the 90's there was a heroin epidemic with 1 in 100 people addicted to that shit. So they decriminalised, not because it was smart but because it was rampant already. So obviously rates feel as the government pumped money into services, but there remain massive problems with their policy. Including a much larger rate of new AIDs infections compared to the European average.
Well you’ve obviously heard of Portugal, but you don’t seem to be able to articulate what you want to say about it. Want to give that another go to give people a chance at understanding your point?
You might want to start with more clearly explaining how decriminalisation hasn’t lead to massive drops in massive drops in number of overdoses, HIV infection rates and drug-related crimes since decriminalisation in 2001, as you seem to think.
Could help a bit if you try to base your thinking on the facts, rather than your feelings?
related hiv infections in portugal fell 90% between 2001-2007 and continue to fall
more importantly, the murder rate in portugal has halved
Hang about...you’re making it sound like decriminalisation could actually be some sort of sensible solution!"true story dat | |||
"on the the other hand regressive thinking has been proven to be as ineffectual as it is idiotic .... how many decades has thailand been executing folks for possession and still the trade escaltes And just imagine how much worse things would be if countries like Thailand hadn't been executing drug criminals left right and centre over the past decades. it would be less of an issue Do you come from the region? No. Do I come from the region? Yes. Do you think you know the issue better than I do? Oh please do educate me Mr Wise Guy. i couldn't give a shit where you come from but you regressive idealogy has been proven as an abject waste of time, resources and effort And your progressive and permissive ideology towards drugs in the UK has proven to be oh so successful eh? The UK has drug laws it barely bothers to enforce now when you have police guarding _estivals where people openly use drugs, and they even offer free drug testing services for druggies to see if the stuff they use is safe. Imagine that! Literally having the law there, but not bothering to enforce it. How many people have suffered because of your progressiveness? You think your progressiveness wins every time. Newsflash, it doesn't. despite the regressive approach the uk has had .... the trade has escalated .... proven Might I suggest you don't know what a "regressive" drug policy is. The UK is already considered extremely liberal compared to Asian countries like Singapore for example who would have anti-drug laws that would rightly be called "regressive" by your definitions. And then I invite you to look up drug crime statistics in Singapore, then tell me to my face that such measures don't work. who gives a flying fuck about singapore? but seeing as how you mention it, amrin amin says himself that there has been a 6% rise in offences year on year for the last ten years .... so there you go champ ... regressive policies don't work ... proven
The example of Portugal is also very inconvenient for reactionary thinkers. It’s a country in Europe where they decriminalised drugs in 2001, and have since then seen massive drops in number of overdoses, HIV infection rates and drug-related crimes.
Perhaps they never heard of Portugal.
No it's just the example people cite when they aren't well informed or are intellectually dishonest. See what actually happened was that Portugal had a dictator called Antonio Salazar who was overthrown by a liberal revolution. By the 90's there was a heroin epidemic with 1 in 100 people addicted to that shit. So they decriminalised, not because it was smart but because it was rampant already. So obviously rates feel as the government pumped money into services, but there remain massive problems with their policy. Including a much larger rate of new AIDs infections compared to the European average.
This is a separate discussion from stabbings...
But there *is* a good liberal argument for decriminalising *most* drugs - after all cigarettes and alcohol are legal and kill far more people than all illegal drugs put together.
If people want to kill themselves in order to seek a high, shouldn’t they be able to do so in a controlled manner?
If junkies want to go into a quiet room and die then that's perfectly fine with me. The problem is that virtually all junkies can't afford to, because being a junkie makes you economically useless. So what i resent is being asked to pay for their habit either through taxes or them stealing from me. Them killing themselves is absolutely fine.
To compared heroin to alcohol is laughable. Obviously if you look at the % of users who die from it, rather than the raw number, heroin comes out far worse. The reasons the raw numbers are lower are obvious. "Alcoholics are economically useless, also. How much does alcohol abuse cost the U.K. economy versus heroine abuse? You’ll find the former figure is rather larger than the latter! | |||
"on the the other hand regressive thinking has been proven to be as ineffectual as it is idiotic .... how many decades has thailand been executing folks for possession and still the trade escaltes And just imagine how much worse things would be if countries like Thailand hadn't been executing drug criminals left right and centre over the past decades. it would be less of an issue Do you come from the region? No. Do I come from the region? Yes. Do you think you know the issue better than I do? Oh please do educate me Mr Wise Guy. i couldn't give a shit where you come from but you regressive idealogy has been proven as an abject waste of time, resources and effort And your progressive and permissive ideology towards drugs in the UK has proven to be oh so successful eh? The UK has drug laws it barely bothers to enforce now when you have police guarding _estivals where people openly use drugs, and they even offer free drug testing services for druggies to see if the stuff they use is safe. Imagine that! Literally having the law there, but not bothering to enforce it. How many people have suffered because of your progressiveness? You think your progressiveness wins every time. Newsflash, it doesn't. despite the regressive approach the uk has had .... the trade has escalated .... proven Might I suggest you don't know what a "regressive" drug policy is. The UK is already considered extremely liberal compared to Asian countries like Singapore for example who would have anti-drug laws that would rightly be called "regressive" by your definitions. And then I invite you to look up drug crime statistics in Singapore, then tell me to my face that such measures don't work. who gives a flying fuck about singapore? but seeing as how you mention it, amrin amin says himself that there has been a 6% rise in offences year on year for the last ten years .... so there you go champ ... regressive policies don't work ... proven
The example of Portugal is also very inconvenient for reactionary thinkers. It’s a country in Europe where they decriminalised drugs in 2001, and have since then seen massive drops in number of overdoses, HIV infection rates and drug-related crimes.
Perhaps they never heard of Portugal.
No it's just the example people cite when they aren't well informed or are intellectually dishonest. See what actually happened was that Portugal had a dictator called Antonio Salazar who was overthrown by a liberal revolution. By the 90's there was a heroin epidemic with 1 in 100 people addicted to that shit. So they decriminalised, not because it was smart but because it was rampant already. So obviously rates feel as the government pumped money into services, but there remain massive problems with their policy. Including a much larger rate of new AIDs infections compared to the European average.
Well you’ve obviously heard of Portugal, but you don’t seem to be able to articulate what you want to say about it. Want to give that another go to give people a chance at understanding your point?
You might want to start with more clearly explaining how decriminalisation hasn’t lead to massive drops in massive drops in number of overdoses, HIV infection rates and drug-related crimes since decriminalisation in 2001, as you seem to think.
Could help a bit if you try to base your thinking on the facts, rather than your feelings?
Ok let me put in terms you and pieces can understand, because claiming 90% drops are stupid for the reasons I've already stated. But in simple terms:
- Portugal was an enormous shit hole
- It's now a normal shit hole
- If we copied their policy then we'd be an AIDs infested shit hole like them, which we are not yet.
Repeat after me...’I can use facts, not feelings!’
You can really do it - I believe in you! "The rate of new AIDs infections in portugal is 75.4% higher than the European average. What part of that fact are you struggling to understand? | |||
"related hiv infections in portugal fell 90% between 2001-2007 and continue to fall more importantly, the murder rate in portugal has halved Hang about...you’re making it sound like decriminalisation could actually be some sort of sensible solution! true story dat " | |||
"Stabbings in London in 2018 January 1 - Steve Frank Navarez-Jara, 20, Islington January 3 - Elizabeta Lacatusu, 44, Redbridge January 8 - Daniel Frederick, 34, died in Hackney January 9 - Dami Odeyingbo, 18, stabbed in Bromley January 11 - Harry Uzoka, 25, killed in Shepherd's Bush January 28 - Yaya Mbye, 26, stabbed in Stoke Newington January 29 - Juan Olmos Saca, 39, stabbed in Peckham January 31 - Khader Saleh, 25, stabbed at Wormwood Scrubs prison February 3 - Hasan Ozcan, 19, knifed in Barking February 3 - Kwabena Nelson, a youth worker, died after being stabbed near his home in Tottenham February 8 - Hannah Leonard, 55, stabbed in a flat in Camden February 11 - Sabri Chibani, 19, stabbed in Streatham February 13 - Saeeda Hussain, 54, stabbed in Ilford February 14 - Lord Promise Nkenda, 17, stabbed in Canning Town February 18 - Lewis Blackman, 19, knifed in Kensington February 19 - Rotimi Oshibanjo, 26, stabbed in Southall February 20 - Sadiq Mohammed, 20, stabbed in Camden February 20 - Abdikarim Hassan, 17, stabbed in Camden February 25 - Michael Boyle, 44, stabbed in the chest March 1 - Christopher Beaumont, 42, stabbed in Hammersmith March 5 - Laura Figueira, 47, stabbed in Twickenham March 5 - Kelva Smith, 20, knifed in Croydon March 14 - Lyndon Davis, 18, stabbed in Chadwell Heath March 16 - Naomi Hersi, 36, found with stab wounds at hotel near Heathrow Airport March 17 - Russell Jones, 23, stabbed in Enfield March 18 - Tyrone Silcott, 41, stabbed in Hackney March 19 - Balbir Johal, 48, knifed in Southall March 19 - A 41-year-old was stabbed to death in Waltham Forest March 20 - Beniamin Pieknyi, 21, stabbed at Stratford shopping centre March 26 - David Potter, 50, stabbed in Tooting March 29 - Reece Tshoma, 23, stabbed in Plumstead March 30 - Leyla Mtumwa, 36, found with stab wounds at a home in Haringey April 1 - A 20-year-old was stabbed in Wandsworth April 4 - A 38-year-old man was stabbed at a house in Lewisham April 4 - Israel Ogunsola, 18, was stabbed to death in Hackney on 4 April. Police were alerted by a motorist and performed first aid but the teenager died at the scene April 5 - Five teenagers and one man were stabbed in London within a space of 24 hours. One of the victims was aged 13 and left fighting for his life April 9 - A man in his 70s was stabbed four times and robbed as he returned to his Harold Hill home after collecting his pension April 12 - A woman in her 20s was arrested after stabbing a man in Isle of Dogs on April 12, 2018. April 15 - A man named locally as Raul Nicolaie was knifed to death just before 6pm in Colindale, North London. April 15 - Samantha Clarke, 38, was stabbed to death in Brixton, South West London, just after 6.30pm and police arrested a man in his 20s. April 20 - Aaron Springett, 32, died after he was found collapsed in Morden, South West London, just before 1o.30pm. A 31-year-old was arrested on suspicion of murder. April 21 - A man, 20, was stabbed to death in Finsbury Park, north London, as a leading surgeon warned of a "summer of carnage" in the capital May 17 - A man, 24, was stabbed to death in Crows Road, Barking at around 11.30pm. May 20 - A man in his 20s stabbed in Mitcham, South London May 21 - Marcel Campbell, 20, was stabbed to death just yards from Islington town hall in North London May 30 - A man, believed to be in his 40s, was stabbed to death in Kensington, West London. June 1 - A woman was found stabbed to death in Brent, North West London. June 9 - Edmond Jonuzi, 35, was stabbed to death close to Turnpike Land Tube station in North London in what is believed to be a drugs related attack. June 23 - Jordan Douherty, 15, becomes the youngest to be stabbed in London this year after being knifed in the heart in Romford, East London. June 27 - A man, 20, was stabbed to death on an estate in Edmonton, North London. June 30 - Four people were stabbed at the Garage Nation _estival in East London. July 2 - a 14-year-old boy was repeatedly stabbed on Fairbridge Road, Islington July 14 - Katerina Makunova, 17, was killed after a stabbing in Camberwell. July 25 - An 18-year-old man, Latwaan Griffiths, was stabbed to death in Camberwell. August 1 - Rapper Incognito, 23, was stabbed to death in Camberwell August 1 - Two other men were also stabbed at the scene where Incognito was killed. They were taken to hospital. August 5 - Man in his 20s fatally stabbed in Cambridge Gardens, Kingston-Upon-Thames. August 15 - Nurse Simonne Kerr, 31, was stabbed to death at her home in Grayshott Road, in Battersea August 16 - Four boys were stabbed in a "gang knife fight" in Elmington Estate, Camberwell - reportedly leaving two "disembowelled" and there were claims it was over a "belt" August 17 - A 42-year-old man was attacked just before 4.40am at a home in Waltham Forest, East London August 17 - A 63-year-old man was found stabbed to death in Walworth September 8 - A man in his 30s was stabbed in Croydon September 10 - Woman in 20s stabbed numerous times in the back in broad daylight on Anglesea Road in Woolwich September 18 - Man, 25, stabbed to death in Tufnell Park, North London, "after confronting phone mugger" October 2 - Man stabbed on busy London Overground train travelling to Hackney Central station October 4 - A teen, 15, was repeatedly stabbed during a fight in Enfield, North London October 13 - A man, 25, was found with knife wounds at Tufnell Park, at around 9.30pm. October 24 - A police officer was stabbed in the head with a screwdriver when confronting a suspected burglar in Barnet, north London. November 1 - A 15-year-old boy was knifed to death in Bellingham, south east London November 2 - A 17-year-old boy was stabbed outside Clapham South tube station before dying in hospital. Such a waste of life not all are drug related.I know in my part of North London ( Edmonton ) it’s not just a post code war with the gangs there even fights and stabbings about which gang controls which part of certain parks. Maybe they just really love postcodes and parks?! Not all stabbings are drug related - this is a very good point. But every single one is money related, whether on a personal, community or society level. " How do you know that? | |||
"on the the other hand regressive thinking has been proven to be as ineffectual as it is idiotic .... how many decades has thailand been executing folks for possession and still the trade escaltes And just imagine how much worse things would be if countries like Thailand hadn't been executing drug criminals left right and centre over the past decades. it would be less of an issue Do you come from the region? No. Do I come from the region? Yes. Do you think you know the issue better than I do? Oh please do educate me Mr Wise Guy. i couldn't give a shit where you come from but you regressive idealogy has been proven as an abject waste of time, resources and effort And your progressive and permissive ideology towards drugs in the UK has proven to be oh so successful eh? The UK has drug laws it barely bothers to enforce now when you have police guarding _estivals where people openly use drugs, and they even offer free drug testing services for druggies to see if the stuff they use is safe. Imagine that! Literally having the law there, but not bothering to enforce it. How many people have suffered because of your progressiveness? You think your progressiveness wins every time. Newsflash, it doesn't. despite the regressive approach the uk has had .... the trade has escalated .... proven Might I suggest you don't know what a "regressive" drug policy is. The UK is already considered extremely liberal compared to Asian countries like Singapore for example who would have anti-drug laws that would rightly be called "regressive" by your definitions. And then I invite you to look up drug crime statistics in Singapore, then tell me to my face that such measures don't work. who gives a flying fuck about singapore? but seeing as how you mention it, amrin amin says himself that there has been a 6% rise in offences year on year for the last ten years .... so there you go champ ... regressive policies don't work ... proven
The example of Portugal is also very inconvenient for reactionary thinkers. It’s a country in Europe where they decriminalised drugs in 2001, and have since then seen massive drops in number of overdoses, HIV infection rates and drug-related crimes.
Perhaps they never heard of Portugal.
No it's just the example people cite when they aren't well informed or are intellectually dishonest. See what actually happened was that Portugal had a dictator called Antonio Salazar who was overthrown by a liberal revolution. By the 90's there was a heroin epidemic with 1 in 100 people addicted to that shit. So they decriminalised, not because it was smart but because it was rampant already. So obviously rates feel as the government pumped money into services, but there remain massive problems with their policy. Including a much larger rate of new AIDs infections compared to the European average.
Well you’ve obviously heard of Portugal, but you don’t seem to be able to articulate what you want to say about it. Want to give that another go to give people a chance at understanding your point?
You might want to start with more clearly explaining how decriminalisation hasn’t lead to massive drops in massive drops in number of overdoses, HIV infection rates and drug-related crimes since decriminalisation in 2001, as you seem to think.
Could help a bit if you try to base your thinking on the facts, rather than your feelings?
Ok let me put in terms you and pieces can understand, because claiming 90% drops are stupid for the reasons I've already stated. But in simple terms:
- Portugal was an enormous shit hole
- It's now a normal shit hole
- If we copied their policy then we'd be an AIDs infested shit hole like them, which we are not yet.
Repeat after me...’I can use facts, not feelings!’
You can really do it - I believe in you!
The rate of new AIDs infections in portugal is 75.4% higher than the European average. What part of that fact are you struggling to understand? "The part where you successfully argue against decriminalisation...although I’m not sure you’ll ever get to that bit. I think your feelings might be clouding your interpretation of the facts a little. Maybe sleep on it for a bit? A fresh perspective may do the trick. Goodnight. | |||
"on the the other hand regressive thinking has been proven to be as ineffectual as it is idiotic .... how many decades has thailand been executing folks for possession and still the trade escaltes And just imagine how much worse things would be if countries like Thailand hadn't been executing drug criminals left right and centre over the past decades. it would be less of an issue Do you come from the region? No. Do I come from the region? Yes. Do you think you know the issue better than I do? Oh please do educate me Mr Wise Guy. i couldn't give a shit where you come from but you regressive idealogy has been proven as an abject waste of time, resources and effort And your progressive and permissive ideology towards drugs in the UK has proven to be oh so successful eh? The UK has drug laws it barely bothers to enforce now when you have police guarding _estivals where people openly use drugs, and they even offer free drug testing services for druggies to see if the stuff they use is safe. Imagine that! Literally having the law there, but not bothering to enforce it. How many people have suffered because of your progressiveness? You think your progressiveness wins every time. Newsflash, it doesn't. despite the regressive approach the uk has had .... the trade has escalated .... proven Might I suggest you don't know what a "regressive" drug policy is. The UK is already considered extremely liberal compared to Asian countries like Singapore for example who would have anti-drug laws that would rightly be called "regressive" by your definitions. And then I invite you to look up drug crime statistics in Singapore, then tell me to my face that such measures don't work. who gives a flying fuck about singapore? but seeing as how you mention it, amrin amin says himself that there has been a 6% rise in offences year on year for the last ten years .... so there you go champ ... regressive policies don't work ... proven
The example of Portugal is also very inconvenient for reactionary thinkers. It’s a country in Europe where they decriminalised drugs in 2001, and have since then seen massive drops in number of overdoses, HIV infection rates and drug-related crimes.
Perhaps they never heard of Portugal.
No it's just the example people cite when they aren't well informed or are intellectually dishonest. See what actually happened was that Portugal had a dictator called Antonio Salazar who was overthrown by a liberal revolution. By the 90's there was a heroin epidemic with 1 in 100 people addicted to that shit. So they decriminalised, not because it was smart but because it was rampant already. So obviously rates feel as the government pumped money into services, but there remain massive problems with their policy. Including a much larger rate of new AIDs infections compared to the European average.
Well you’ve obviously heard of Portugal, but you don’t seem to be able to articulate what you want to say about it. Want to give that another go to give people a chance at understanding your point?
You might want to start with more clearly explaining how decriminalisation hasn’t lead to massive drops in massive drops in number of overdoses, HIV infection rates and drug-related crimes since decriminalisation in 2001, as you seem to think.
Could help a bit if you try to base your thinking on the facts, rather than your feelings?
Ok let me put in terms you and pieces can understand, because claiming 90% drops are stupid for the reasons I've already stated. But in simple terms:
- Portugal was an enormous shit hole
- It's now a normal shit hole
- If we copied their policy then we'd be an AIDs infested shit hole like them, which we are not yet.
Repeat after me...’I can use facts, not feelings!’
You can really do it - I believe in you!
The rate of new AIDs infections in portugal is 75.4% higher than the European average. What part of that fact are you struggling to understand?
The part where you successfully argue against decriminalisation...although I’m not sure you’ll ever get to that bit. I think your feelings might be clouding your interpretation of the facts a little.
Maybe sleep on it for a bit? A fresh perspective may do the trick. Goodnight."I don't know why I'm surprised by the intellectual dishonesty of the looney left, but i still am. It's my fault. Just carry on willfully misrepresenting facts and lying through your teeth. | |||
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"did i point out the irrefutable fact that related hiv infections in portugal fell 90% between 2001-2007 and continue to fall and more importantly, the murder rate in portugal has halved "I love the way you switch between absolute and relative figures when it suits your argument. You have a solution to a problem we don't have. When 1 in 100 Britons are heroin addicts then it might work. Thankfully, people like you don't get near policy and our country will never be as shit as you want it to be. I remember the mistake I'm making, I forgot that the looney left have this idea that equality means dragging everyone down to shit hole standards. My bad for forgetting | |||
"did i point out the irrefutable fact that related hiv infections in portugal fell 90% between 2001-2007 and continue to fall" that's 9 tenths in 6 years ... and falling "and more importantly, the murder rate in portugal has halved" which is 50% and them's facts kids | |||
"did i point out the irrefutable fact that related hiv infections in portugal fell 90% between 2001-2007 and continue to fall and more importantly, the murder rate in portugal has halved
I love the way you switch between absolute and relative figures when it suits your argument. You have a solution to a problem we don't have. When 1 in 100 Britons are heroin addicts then it might work. Thankfully, people like you don't get near policy and our country will never be as shit as you want it to be. I remember the mistake I'm making, I forgot that the looney left have this idea that equality means dragging everyone down to shit hole standards. My bad for forgetting "I admire the sentiment, although I struggle with your description of Portugal as an AIDS infested shit hole... Or indeed a shit hole or any kind... I take it you’ve never been?! If you want a refreshingly right wing perspective on matters, head over to my comments on the Grenfell thread . | |||
"did i point out the irrefutable fact that related hiv infections in portugal fell 90% between 2001-2007 and continue to fall that's 9 tenths in 6 years ... and falling and more importantly, the murder rate in portugal has halved which is 50% and them's facts kids "Four legs good, two legs baaaddd | |||
"did i point out the irrefutable fact that related hiv infections in portugal fell 90% between 2001-2007 and continue to fall that's 9 tenths in 6 years ... and falling and more importantly, the murder rate in portugal has halved which is 50% and them's facts kids "which officially makes both the highest success rate for tackling these problems anywhere in the world ever ... gotta love facts | |||
"did i point out the irrefutable fact that related hiv infections in portugal fell 90% between 2001-2007 and continue to fall that's 9 tenths in 6 years ... and falling and more importantly, the murder rate in portugal has halved which is 50% and them's facts kids
which officially makes both the highest success rate for tackling these problems anywhere in the world ever ... gotta love facts "You got any idea how selective your usage of facts are? Its like trying to say between two cars, the fastest one is the one with the highest acceleration rate instead of the one with the higher top speed. You are the best example of the saying "there are lies, dammed lies, and statistics!" | |||
"did i point out the irrefutable fact that related hiv infections in portugal fell 90% between 2001-2007 and continue to fall that's 9 tenths in 6 years ... and falling and more importantly, the murder rate in portugal has halved which is 50% and them's facts kids
which officially makes both the highest success rate for tackling these problems anywhere in the world ever ... gotta love facts
You got any idea how selective your usage of facts are?
Its like trying to say between two cars, the fastest one is the one with the highest acceleration rate instead of the one with the higher top speed.
You are the best example of the saying "there are lies, dammed lies, and statistics!" "what's cars got to do with knife crime? | |||
"did i point out the irrefutable fact that related hiv infections in portugal fell 90% between 2001-2007 and continue to fall that's 9 tenths in 6 years ... and falling and more importantly, the murder rate in portugal has halved which is 50% and them's facts kids
which officially makes both the highest success rate for tackling these problems anywhere in the world ever ... gotta love facts
You got any idea how selective your usage of facts are?
Its like trying to say between two cars, the fastest one is the one with the highest acceleration rate instead of the one with the higher top speed.
You are the best example of the saying "there are lies, dammed lies, and statistics!" "It's like a live display of the dunning-kruger effect | |||
"did i point out the irrefutable fact that related hiv infections in portugal fell 90% between 2001-2007 and continue to fall that's 9 tenths in 6 years ... and falling and more importantly, the murder rate in portugal has halved which is 50% and them's facts kids
which officially makes both the highest success rate for tackling these problems anywhere in the world ever ... gotta love facts
You got any idea how selective your usage of facts are?
Its like trying to say between two cars, the fastest one is the one with the highest acceleration rate instead of the one with the higher top speed.
You are the best example of the saying "there are lies, dammed lies, and statistics!"
what's cars got to do with knife crime?"Must I spell it out for you? Having the highest improvement rate in drug-related health and crime issues DOES NOT suddenly make a country a "model success" story, when even after said highest improvement rate in drug-related health issues such as HIV and drop in murder rates Portugal still has drug-related health and crime numbers far higher than that of the UK. | |||
"did i point out the irrefutable fact that related hiv infections in portugal fell 90% between 2001-2007 and continue to fall that's 9 tenths in 6 years ... and falling and more importantly, the murder rate in portugal has halved which is 50% and them's facts kids
which officially makes both the highest success rate for tackling these problems anywhere in the world ever ... gotta love facts
You got any idea how selective your usage of facts are?
Its like trying to say between two cars, the fastest one is the one with the highest acceleration rate instead of the one with the higher top speed.
You are the best example of the saying "there are lies, dammed lies, and statistics!"
what's cars got to do with knife crime?
Must I spell it out for you?
Having the highest improvement rate in drug-related health and crime issues DOES NOT suddenly make a country a "model success" story, when even after said highest improvement rate in drug-related health issues such as HIV and drop in murder rates Portugal still has drug-related health and crime numbers far higher than that of the UK. "This guy gets it | |||
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"really? related deaths per million aged 16-54 in europe last year uk - 67 portugal - 5 uk is joint 3rd highest with ireland beaten only by sweden and estonia (top) muder count uk 791 .... portugal 66 facts rock "Population of Portugal: 10.31 million. Population of UK: 66 million. Why don't you compare Portugal size for size with countries of similar size? | |||
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"ok .... murder rate per 100,000 uk - 1.2 portugal - 0.64 related deaths per million uk - 60 portugal - 6 ... there you go champ .... facts "Murder rate based on what? You telling me every single murder rate recorded here was drug or -knife related? And again, I told you to compare Portugal with another country of similar size. Not the UK. There you go. Champ.
Seriously. Fucking Dunning-Kruger indeed. | |||
"ok .... murder rate per 100,000 uk - 1.2 portugal - 0.64 related deaths per million uk - 60 portugal - 6 ... there you go champ .... facts "What’s the attempted murder rate? What’s the percentages for woundings? Maybe they just fail more in Portugal? | |||
"ok .... murder rate per 100,000 uk - 1.2 portugal - 0.64 related deaths per million uk - 60 portugal - 6 ... there you go champ .... facts
Murder rate based on what? You telling me every single murder rate recorded here was drug or -knife related?
And again, I told you to compare Portugal with another country of similar size. Not the UK.
There you go. Champ.
Seriously. Fucking Dunning-Kruger indeed. "resorting to personal abuse ... i was hoping for some stats .... nevermind, here's the stats you wanted sweden (roughly same population as portugal) murder rate per 100,000 - 1.08 murder count - 106 related deaths per million - 100 facts | |||
"ok .... murder rate per 100,000 uk - 1.2 portugal - 0.64 related deaths per million uk - 60 portugal - 6 ... there you go champ .... facts
Murder rate based on what? You telling me every single murder rate recorded here was drug or -knife related?
And again, I told you to compare Portugal with another country of similar size. Not the UK.
There you go. Champ.
Seriously. Fucking Dunning-Kruger indeed.
resorting to personal abuse ... i was hoping for some stats .... nevermind, here's the stats you wanted
sweden (roughly same population as portugal)
murder rate per 100,000 - 1.08
murder count - 106
related deaths per million - 100
facts "p.s. chucking out personal abuse means you lose | |||
"ok .... murder rate per 100,000 uk - 1.2 portugal - 0.64 related deaths per million uk - 60 portugal - 6 ... there you go champ .... facts
What’s the attempted murder rate?
What’s the percentages for woundings?
Maybe they just fail more in Portugal? "i doubt it .... britian is a globally notorious fail | |||
"ok .... murder rate per 100,000 uk - 1.2 portugal - 0.64 related deaths per million uk - 60 portugal - 6 ... there you go champ .... facts
Murder rate based on what? You telling me every single murder rate recorded here was drug or -knife related?
And again, I told you to compare Portugal with another country of similar size. Not the UK.
There you go. Champ.
Seriously. Fucking Dunning-Kruger indeed.
resorting to personal abuse ... i was hoping for some stats .... nevermind, here's the stats you wanted
sweden (roughly same population as portugal)
murder rate per 100,000 - 1.08
murder count - 106
related deaths per million - 100
facts "Sweden has a gun crime and grenade crime problem doesn’t it? https://sverigesradio.se/sida/artikel.aspx?programid=2054&artikel=6770170 | |||
"ok .... murder rate per 100,000 uk - 1.2 portugal - 0.64 related deaths per million uk - 60 portugal - 6 ... there you go champ .... facts
Murder rate based on what? You telling me every single murder rate recorded here was drug or -knife related?
And again, I told you to compare Portugal with another country of similar size. Not the UK.
There you go. Champ.
Seriously. Fucking Dunning-Kruger indeed.
resorting to personal abuse ... i was hoping for some stats .... nevermind, here's the stats you wanted
sweden (roughly same population as portugal)
murder rate per 100,000 - 1.08
murder count - 106
related deaths per million - 100
facts
Sweden has a gun crime and grenade crime problem doesn’t it?
https://sverigesradio.se/sida/artikel.aspx?programid=2054&artikel=6770170"you won't find the swedes taking a knife to a grenade fight | |||
"ok .... murder rate per 100,000 uk - 1.2 portugal - 0.64 related deaths per million uk - 60 portugal - 6 ... there you go champ .... facts
What’s the attempted murder rate?
What’s the percentages for woundings?
Maybe they just fail more in Portugal?
i doubt it .... britian is a globally notorious fail "Not with fighting, speaking of which lira livre and BJJ are very very popular in Portugal so maybe they are happy heal hooking each other’s knees off. | |||
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"I come from a military background and I’ve been on tours to all the hot zones. I was in Belfast for a few years, Iraq, Afghan, Belize and I’ve done peace keeping in other countries. As a medic I became immune to seeing what goes on in different parts of the world. But to now have such bad situations on our own door step is really really frightening and makes me feel fearful for our younger generations. I now work in a major hospital and we are seeing more and more of this type of thing. As others have said until we employ a zero tolerance policy to knife crime we are never ever going to control it. Anyone carrying a knife is doing so with the intent to use it. The Met police are over run trying to police it and there’s only so much we can do. I firmly believe if it carries on we will end up seeing the army back on the streets helping out. I use the Met as an example because all the above mentioned standings are in London but the grim reality is we are seeing it up and down the country. "
Hear hear.
"Them bloody civilians. Too soft on crime I tell ya. Needs some military iron in their bones in order to enforce law and order." | |||
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"I come from a military background and I’ve been on tours to all the hot zones. I was in Belfast for a few years, Iraq, Afghan, Belize and I’ve done peace keeping in other countries. As a medic I became immune to seeing what goes on in different parts of the world. But to now have such bad situations on our own door step is really really frightening and makes me feel fearful for our younger generations. I now work in a major hospital and we are seeing more and more of this type of thing. As others have said until we employ a zero tolerance policy to knife crime we are never ever going to control it. Anyone carrying a knife is doing so with the intent to use it. The Met police are over run trying to police it and there’s only so much we can do. I firmly believe if it carries on we will end up seeing the army back on the streets helping out. I use the Met as an example because all the above mentioned standings are in London but the grim reality is we are seeing it up and down the country. " That is true. The way Glasgow tackled a similar problem was to get really tough on the people carrying now, but also get into the schools and change the mindset of the next generation, that has to be done too. On Newsnight last night the Glasgow expert said it will take 10 years to turn round. | |||
"Maybe a start would be if the police didnt waste time on the snowflakes verbal complaints and put more feet on the beat. Long term its a social problem that will take time and money to fix The fact is this government want the public to dislike the police because when they severely cut the police wages, benefits, increase pension contributions and work 5 years longer to get less out at the end etc the public won’t kick up a stink because the government would have them believe the police do nothing. All this bollocks about them not dealing with burglaries or sitting in an office trawling the Internet for nonsense offences is a lie and the likes of you swallow it. " . Yea because there's no middle ground is there?. I mean nobody in the police retired at 48 with a full pension? (30 years service). And to be honest if they actually caught and stopped shop crime, theft, car crime, moped crime, stabbings, burglary, most people wouldn't be bothered but we see cops in cars chasing soft targets (those of us that will pay a fine) , cops trawling the internet for childish men throwing insults, my friend had his van broken into and his tools nicked and the cops (the next day) came round to look, said ooo yea there's lots of it these days, have you considered a no tools kept in this Van sticker!!. This is why the average Joe thinks wtf this person is retiring at 50 while I plough on to 68 and you wonder why they vote for police cuts?. If it was a private company they would have gone bust decades ago. | |||
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"Never going to end.Those who have been brainwashed by the politicians don't want to admit the reason." what's the reason? | |||
"Never going to end.Those who have been brainwashed by the politicians don't want to admit the reason. what's the reason? " Look at those involved, think about it. | |||
