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By (user no longer on site) OP     over a year ago

Chief Seattle's Letter

"The President in Washington sends word that he wishes to buy our land. But how can you buy or sell the sky? the land? The idea is strange to us. If we do not own the freshness of the air and the sparkle of the water, how can you buy them?

Every part of the earth is sacred to my people. Every shining pine needle, every sandy shore, every mist in the dark woods, every meadow, every humming insect. All are holy in the memory and experience of my people.

We know the sap which courses through the trees as we know the blood that courses through our veins. We are part of the earth and it is part of us. The perfumed flowers are our sisters. The bear, the deer, the great eagle, these are our brothers. The rocky crests, the dew in the meadow, the body heat of the pony, and man all belong to the same family.

The shining water that moves in the streams and rivers is not just water, but the blood of our ancestors. If we sell you our land, you must remember that it is sacred. Each glossy reflection in the clear waters of the lakes tells of events and memories in the life of my people. The water's murmur is the voice of my father's father.

The rivers are our brothers. They quench our thirst. They carry our canoes and feed our children. So you must give the rivers the kindness that you would give any brother.

If we sell you our land, remember that the air is precious to us, that the air shares its spirit with all the life that it supports. The wind that gave our grandfather his first breath also received his last sigh. The wind also gives our children the spirit of life. So if we sell our land, you must keep it apart and sacred, as a place where man can go to taste the wind that is sweetened by the meadow flowers.

Will you teach your children what we have taught our children? That the earth is our mother? What befalls the earth befalls all the sons of the earth.

This we know: the earth does not belong to man, man belongs to the earth. All things are connected like the blood that unites us all. Man did not weave the web of life, he is merely a strand in it. Whatever he does to the web, he does to himself.

One thing we know: our God is also your God. The earth is precious to him and to harm the earth is to heap contempt on its creator.

Your destiny is a mystery to us. What will happen when the buffalo are all slaughtered? The wild horses tamed? What will happen when the secret corners of the forest are heavy with the scent of many men and the view of the ripe hills is blotted with talking wires? Where will the thicket be? Gone! Where will the eagle be? Gone! And what is to say goodbye to the swift pony and then hunt? The end of living and the beginning of survival.

When the last red man has vanished with this wilderness, and his memory is only the shadow of a cloud moving across the prairie, will these shores and forests still be here? Will there be any of the spirit of my people left?

We love this earth as a newborn loves its mother's heartbeat. So, if we sell you our land, love it as we have loved it. Care for it, as we have cared for it. Hold in your mind the memory of the land as it is when you receive it. Preserve the land for all children, and love it, as God loves us.

As we are part of the land, you too are part of the land. This earth is precious to us. It is also precious to you.

One thing we know - there is only one God. No man, be he Red man or White man, can be apart. We ARE all brothers after all."

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

Reminds me of another statement...

not enough time in the day.

What’s the point in a nutshell op?

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

Beautiful

Peach x

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By (user no longer on site) OP     over a year ago


"Reminds me of another statement...

not enough time in the day.

What’s the point in a nutshell op? "

The point in a nutshell is you should take a moment to read it. Sorry if that sounds sarky but when you read it you'll see what I mean. It's all about stopping for a minute and thinking about the world around you

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

I was thinking this morning how we have so much industry (much of it in China) churning out pollution to make goods that we don't really need. How much stuff we buy for the sake of it, or to make our lives easier so we can fit more into the hours in our day.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Reminds me of another statement...

not enough time in the day.

What’s the point in a nutshell op?

The point in a nutshell is you should take a moment to read it. Sorry if that sounds sarky but when you read it you'll see what I mean. It's all about stopping for a minute and thinking about the world around you "

And looking after it.

We don't actually own the world, we are stewards looking after it for the future, and we aren't doing a very good job of it.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Reminds me of another statement...

not enough time in the day.

What’s the point in a nutshell op?

The point in a nutshell is you should take a moment to read it. Sorry if that sounds sarky but when you read it you'll see what I mean. It's all about stopping for a minute and thinking about the world around you "

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By (user no longer on site) OP     over a year ago


"Reminds me of another statement...

not enough time in the day.

What’s the point in a nutshell op?

The point in a nutshell is you should take a moment to read it. Sorry if that sounds sarky but when you read it you'll see what I mean. It's all about stopping for a minute and thinking about the world around you

And looking after it.

We don't actually own the world, we are stewards looking after it for the future, and we aren't doing a very good job of it."

We've also despiritualised it. I know that this has helped in the scientific quest to dissect and demythologise the world around us. But it feels like something truly of mammoth importance has been lost in the process. To see the world as an extension of our own bodies, as rich in the nutrients and footprints of our ancestors is not only spiritually rich but seems to be deeply scientifically accurate. Yet to too many in the West nature seems to be something quite separate and distinct from us. Something that features on BBC2

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

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"Reminds me of another statement...

not enough time in the day.

What’s the point in a nutshell op?

The point in a nutshell is you should take a moment to read it. Sorry if that sounds sarky but when you read it you'll see what I mean. It's all about stopping for a minute and thinking about the world around you

And looking after it.

We don't actually own the world, we are stewards looking after it for the future, and we aren't doing a very good job of it."

We borrow it, that’s a thing I learned a long time ago. Trying to teach anyone today is difficult in such a ‘throw away’ society. (Don’t get me started.

I’m not perfect by any stretch, and I have my comforting needs that I know would be frowned upon my friends of the earth. But I balance it very well with things that I do that is looking towards the future of this beautiful place.

Nature however will beat us, we (humans as a whole) are useless, and the earth has millions of years of experience behind it to do a better job at surviving than we can. We will ch*ke or starve ourselves to death. (Don’t quote me in that).

Op, I was just jestin’ with you.

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By (user no longer on site) OP     over a year ago


"Reminds me of another statement...

not enough time in the day.

What’s the point in a nutshell op?

The point in a nutshell is you should take a moment to read it. Sorry if that sounds sarky but when you read it you'll see what I mean. It's all about stopping for a minute and thinking about the world around you

"

When someone eventually writes "tldr" to Chief Seattle's statement you know the world is finally fucked

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By (user no longer on site) OP     over a year ago


"Op, I was just jestin’ with you. "

Phew! We're not as fucked as I thought

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

I love your posts soulful, you know that, but when you do post the voice in my head keep singing free love on the free love highway by David Brent

Make sure you reserve my place on your commune when it's up and running!

Peach x

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Op, I was just jestin’ with you.

Phew! We're not as fucked as I thought "

Paul Segan - the blue dot. I liked that from the moment I discovered it. Have a read if you do t know it already.

I’ve pointed a few to it in the past who I thought might appreciate it.

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By (user no longer on site) OP     over a year ago


"I love your posts soulful, you know that, but when you do post the voice in my head keep singing free love on the free love highway by David Brent

Make sure you reserve my place on your commune when it's up and running!

Peach x"

is that because of my picture with my guitar?

Me and David Brent Not the most flattering comparison I've ever had

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

Great speech OP

Im wondering though, having read a bit about it, if you know which version it was and to whom that version was addressed..

And if it had any bearing on the original sentiments of Chief Si'ahl

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Chief Seattle's Letter

"The President in Washington sends word that he wishes to buy our land. But how can you buy or sell the sky? the land? The idea is strange to us. If we do not own the freshness of the air and the sparkle of the water, how can you buy them?

Every part of the earth is sacred to my people. Every shining pine needle, every sandy shore, every mist in the dark woods, every meadow, every humming insect. All are holy in the memory and experience of my people.

We know the sap which courses through the trees as we know the blood that courses through our veins. We are part of the earth and it is part of us. The perfumed flowers are our sisters. The bear, the deer, the great eagle, these are our brothers. The rocky crests, the dew in the meadow, the body heat of the pony, and man all belong to the same family.

The shining water that moves in the streams and rivers is not just water, but the blood of our ancestors. If we sell you our land, you must remember that it is sacred. Each glossy reflection in the clear waters of the lakes tells of events and memories in the life of my people. The water's murmur is the voice of my father's father.

The rivers are our brothers. They quench our thirst. They carry our canoes and feed our children. So you must give the rivers the kindness that you would give any brother.

If we sell you our land, remember that the air is precious to us, that the air shares its spirit with all the life that it supports. The wind that gave our grandfather his first breath also received his last sigh. The wind also gives our children the spirit of life. So if we sell our land, you must keep it apart and sacred, as a place where man can go to taste the wind that is sweetened by the meadow flowers.

Will you teach your children what we have taught our children? That the earth is our mother? What befalls the earth befalls all the sons of the earth.

This we know: the earth does not belong to man, man belongs to the earth. All things are connected like the blood that unites us all. Man did not weave the web of life, he is merely a strand in it. Whatever he does to the web, he does to himself.

One thing we know: our God is also your God. The earth is precious to him and to harm the earth is to heap contempt on its creator.

Your destiny is a mystery to us. What will happen when the buffalo are all slaughtered? The wild horses tamed? What will happen when the secret corners of the forest are heavy with the scent of many men and the view of the ripe hills is blotted with talking wires? Where will the thicket be? Gone! Where will the eagle be? Gone! And what is to say goodbye to the swift pony and then hunt? The end of living and the beginning of survival.

When the last red man has vanished with this wilderness, and his memory is only the shadow of a cloud moving across the prairie, will these shores and forests still be here? Will there be any of the spirit of my people left?

We love this earth as a newborn loves its mother's heartbeat. So, if we sell you our land, love it as we have loved it. Care for it, as we have cared for it. Hold in your mind the memory of the land as it is when you receive it. Preserve the land for all children, and love it, as God loves us.

As we are part of the land, you too are part of the land. This earth is precious to us. It is also precious to you.

One thing we know - there is only one God. No man, be he Red man or White man, can be apart. We ARE all brothers after all." "

This

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By (user no longer on site) OP     over a year ago


"Great speech OP

Im wondering though, having read a bit about it, if you know which version it was and to whom that version was addressed..

And if it had any bearing on the original sentiments of Chief Si'ahl "

Yeah I didn't realise the whole thing was in doubt. The page I got it from carries the following footnote...

"Presumably, the generally accepted version of the above speech was published in the The Irish Times on June 4th, 1976. However, many people now believe that the speech was actually written by a Hollywood screen writer in the 1970's for the movie Home - Four Wagons West. It is thought that the script was based on the original statement by Chief Seattle in 1854. There is a lot of controversy about the origin of the speech, however, and many people hold strong opinions"

It would be interesting to read more about it. But this particular version still resonates deeply with me whoever wrote it

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Chief Seattle's Letter

"The President in Washington sends word that he wishes to buy our land. But how can you buy or sell the sky? the land? The idea is strange to us. If we do not own the freshness of the air and the sparkle of the water, how can you buy them?

Every part of the earth is sacred to my people. Every shining pine needle, every sandy shore, every mist in the dark woods, every meadow, every humming insect. All are holy in the memory and experience of my people.

We know the sap which courses through the trees as we know the blood that courses through our veins. We are part of the earth and it is part of us. The perfumed flowers are our sisters. The bear, the deer, the great eagle, these are our brothers. The rocky crests, the dew in the meadow, the body heat of the pony, and man all belong to the same family.

The shining water that moves in the streams and rivers is not just water, but the blood of our ancestors. If we sell you our land, you must remember that it is sacred. Each glossy reflection in the clear waters of the lakes tells of events and memories in the life of my people. The water's murmur is the voice of my father's father.

The rivers are our brothers. They quench our thirst. They carry our canoes and feed our children. So you must give the rivers the kindness that you would give any brother.

If we sell you our land, remember that the air is precious to us, that the air shares its spirit with all the life that it supports. The wind that gave our grandfather his first breath also received his last sigh. The wind also gives our children the spirit of life. So if we sell our land, you must keep it apart and sacred, as a place where man can go to taste the wind that is sweetened by the meadow flowers.

Will you teach your children what we have taught our children? That the earth is our mother? What befalls the earth befalls all the sons of the earth.

This we know: the earth does not belong to man, man belongs to the earth. All things are connected like the blood that unites us all. Man did not weave the web of life, he is merely a strand in it. Whatever he does to the web, he does to himself.

One thing we know: our God is also your God. The earth is precious to him and to harm the earth is to heap contempt on its creator.

Your destiny is a mystery to us. What will happen when the buffalo are all slaughtered? The wild horses tamed? What will happen when the secret corners of the forest are heavy with the scent of many men and the view of the ripe hills is blotted with talking wires? Where will the thicket be? Gone! Where will the eagle be? Gone! And what is to say goodbye to the swift pony and then hunt? The end of living and the beginning of survival.

When the last red man has vanished with this wilderness, and his memory is only the shadow of a cloud moving across the prairie, will these shores and forests still be here? Will there be any of the spirit of my people left?

We love this earth as a newborn loves its mother's heartbeat. So, if we sell you our land, love it as we have loved it. Care for it, as we have cared for it. Hold in your mind the memory of the land as it is when you receive it. Preserve the land for all children, and love it, as God loves us.

As we are part of the land, you too are part of the land. This earth is precious to us. It is also precious to you.

One thing we know - there is only one God. No man, be he Red man or White man, can be apart. We ARE all brothers after all." "

And Sisters *said in a voice of life of brian

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