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By *ssex_tom OP Man
over a year ago
Chelmsford |
I used to pull my hair out following caravans driving slowly and often they would not have wing mirrors wide enough to see the congestion behind.. That's nothing compared to horse box drivers who drive even slower and never ever pull over to let others pass... Gets my goat ! |
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over a year ago
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Seriously!!
I've seen 4x4's pulling caravans at 70mph with the caravan swaying all over the place! Bloody dangerous, but they're a law unto themselves 
I've seen a very large speedboat up on the grass embankment of a motorway, facing the wrong way with a driver scratching his head....good job it was up the embankment and not across the lanes on the motorway! Obviously driving too fast
I've also seen a twunt driving a horsebox and the horse was all over the place  it couldn't stand up properly because of the crap driver....i bet the horse is traumatised!
I'd rather them do the limit that is safe.
Why should they pull over?
Why can't you be patient? |
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By *uxom redCouple
over a year ago
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I've seen 4x4's pulling caravans at 70mph with the caravan swaying all over the place! Bloody dangerous, but they're a law unto themselves
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They are also breaking the law to tow is 50mph on an A road and 50 mph on a motorway or duel carriageway. |
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By *icentiousCouple
over a year ago
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"I used to pull my hair out following caravans driving slowly and often they would not have wing mirrors wide enough to see the congestion behind.. That's nothing compared to horse box drivers who drive even slower and never ever pull over to let others pass... Gets my goat !"
Do you ride a pushbike? |
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If loaded a horse box could be carrying a few tons of animals and stopping and getting going again is not really an option.
Like most people on the road just be patient , you can always get Corrie on catchup  |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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This week I watched 6 fire engines and 7 ambulances deal with a crash that closed the road for 5 hours. It was cold middle of the night and bodies were being scraped off the tarmac.
If your journey is so much more important than another's that 5 hours sat in -4C watching the emergency services at work is all the reason anyone needs to stop ranting about the fact others may drive too slowly to meet the way we think they should be driving. |
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By *uxom redCouple
over a year ago
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I've seen 4x4's pulling caravans at 70mph with the caravan swaying all over the place! Bloody dangerous, but they're a law unto themselves
They are also breaking the law to tow is 50mph on an A road and 50 mph on a motorway or duel carriageway. "
Typo 60 on a motorway |
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By *ssex_tom OP Man
over a year ago
Chelmsford |
"Or to hold a door open for others.. but it's polite x
But if someone expected it of you, that's not polite. "
My parents would have expected me to hold a door open for others.. it's being polite |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Ok. I'm a biker. We have a saying -`Ride your own ride'. You don't ride to other people's speed or style. As long as you are making proper progress in a minimum speed limit area, nobody should have to keep stopping because other road users have no patience or manners. It's madness. Leave earlier. Chill out. Better to be late than arrive in a body bag. |
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"The original thread was for them to pull over and not speed..
There's no legal requirement to pull over. "
Correct, there is no legal requirement, but the Highway Code advises that slower moving vehicles should pull over from time to time, where safe to do so, to let other traffic past.
If they don't, they're just being selfish.
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I've seen 4x4's pulling caravans at 70mph with the caravan swaying all over the place! Bloody dangerous, but they're a law unto themselves
They are also breaking the law to tow is 50mph on an A road and 50 mph on a motorway or duel carriageway.
Typo 60 on a motorway "
60 on a motorway, 60 on a dual carriageway with a central reservation, 50 on a dual carriageway with no central reservation, but only if national speed limit applies.
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"Or to hold a door open for others.. but it's polite x
But if someone expected it of you, that's not polite.
My parents would have expected me to hold a door open for others.. it's being polite "
But it isn't a requirement. Being rude is not a crime. |
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"The original thread was for them to pull over and not speed..
There's no legal requirement to pull over.
Correct, there is no legal requirement, but the Highway Code advises that slower moving vehicles should pull over from time to time, where safe to do so, to let other traffic past.
If they don't, they're just being selfish.
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By the time you'd pulled out the layby with 3 tonnes of horse and a 7.5 tonne lorry and built up a decent speed there would be another tailback. You would never get anywhere |
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"The original thread was for them to pull over and not speed..
There's no legal requirement to pull over.
Correct, there is no legal requirement, but the Highway Code advises that slower moving vehicles should pull over from time to time, where safe to do so, to let other traffic past.
If they don't, they're just being selfish.
By the time you'd pulled out the layby with 3 tonnes of horse and a 7.5 tonne lorry and built up a decent speed there would be another tailback. You would never get anywhere"
Ah, so your journey is more important than everyone else's combined.
Don't be silly, you'd still make progress, just at a slower rate.
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"The original thread was for them to pull over and not speed..
There's no legal requirement to pull over.
Correct, there is no legal requirement, but the Highway Code advises that slower moving vehicles should pull over from time to time, where safe to do so, to let other traffic past.
If they don't, they're just being selfish.
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The Norfolk edition of the
Highway Code clearly specifies that a car driver comes after tractors, horse boxes and foreign 4x4s in thel list of priorities on the county's roads.  |
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over a year ago
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"The original thread was for them to pull over and not speed..
There's no legal requirement to pull over.
Correct, there is no legal requirement, but the Highway Code advises that slower moving vehicles should pull over from time to time, where safe to do so, to let other traffic past.
If they don't, they're just being selfish.
By the time you'd pulled out the layby with 3 tonnes of horse and a 7.5 tonne lorry and built up a decent speed there would be another tailback. You would never get anywhere
Ah, so your journey is more important than everyone else's combined.
Don't be silly, you'd still make progress, just at a slower rate.
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Just as important I imagine. Is there an order of importancy I wonder. |
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"The original thread was for them to pull over and not speed..
There's no legal requirement to pull over.
Correct, there is no legal requirement, but the Highway Code advises that slower moving vehicles should pull over from time to time, where safe to do so, to let other traffic past.
If they don't, they're just being selfish.
By the time you'd pulled out the layby with 3 tonnes of horse and a 7.5 tonne lorry and built up a decent speed there would be another tailback. You would never get anywhere
Ah, so your journey is more important than everyone else's combined.
Don't be silly, you'd still make progress, just at a slower rate.
Just as important I imagine. Is there an order of importancy I wonder. "
I can think of plenty; The doctor or nurse on their way to a house call, a service engineer attending to broken refrigeration plant affecting the stock of a food business ever minute that passes, etc.
To deliberately and wilfully make everyone slow down to your speed for an extended period, without pulling over from time to time, is just plain selfish.
I've driven tractors and trailers on the road having worked on farms and also having done some LGV driving, so I'm not coming at this from the limited perspective a purely being a car driver. I also ride horses, motorbikes and bicycles. Each form of transport has it's individual responsibilities and appropriate behaviours.
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By (user no longer on site)
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"The original thread was for them to pull over and not speed..
There's no legal requirement to pull over.
Correct, there is no legal requirement, but the Highway Code advises that slower moving vehicles should pull over from time to time, where safe to do so, to let other traffic past.
If they don't, they're just being selfish.
By the time you'd pulled out the layby with 3 tonnes of horse and a 7.5 tonne lorry and built up a decent speed there would be another tailback. You would never get anywhere
Ah, so your journey is more important than everyone else's combined.
Don't be silly, you'd still make progress, just at a slower rate.
Just as important I imagine. Is there an order of importancy I wonder.
I can think of plenty; The doctor or nurse on their way to a house call, a service engineer attending to broken refrigeration plant affecting the stock of a food business ever minute that passes, etc.
To deliberately and wilfully make everyone slow down to your speed for an extended period, without pulling over from time to time, is just plain selfish.
I've driven tractors and trailers on the road having worked on farms and also having done some LGV driving, so I'm not coming at this from the limited perspective a purely being a car driver. I also ride horses, motorbikes and bicycles. Each form of transport has it's individual responsibilities and appropriate behaviours.
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Sod the engineer on his way to fix a fridge I have a horse with colic on his way to the vets, every second I wait for the impatient arses, neddy is in more danger.  |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"The original thread was for them to pull over and not speed..
There's no legal requirement to pull over.
Correct, there is no legal requirement, but the Highway Code advises that slower moving vehicles should pull over from time to time, where safe to do so, to let other traffic past.
If they don't, they're just being selfish.
By the time you'd pulled out the layby with 3 tonnes of horse and a 7.5 tonne lorry and built up a decent speed there would be another tailback. You would never get anywhere
Ah, so your journey is more important than everyone else's combined.
Don't be silly, you'd still make progress, just at a slower rate.
Just as important I imagine. Is there an order of importancy I wonder.
I can think of plenty; The doctor or nurse on their way to a house call, a service engineer attending to broken refrigeration plant affecting the stock of a food business ever minute that passes, etc.
To deliberately and wilfully make everyone slow down to your speed for an extended period, without pulling over from time to time, is just plain selfish.
I've driven tractors and trailers on the road having worked on farms and also having done some LGV driving, so I'm not coming at this from the limited perspective a purely being a car driver. I also ride horses, motorbikes and bicycles. Each form of transport has it's individual responsibilities and appropriate behaviours.
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In Your Opinion.
The law says different however.
If they are driving legally, they would pull over to let emergency vehicles pass.
People are so impatient these days. Look at how many minutes extra it puts on your journey in real terms- 5 minutes? 10? Surely a courteous person (like the OP for example, who's parents taught him to hold doors open for others) would naturally build extra time into any journey because it would be impolite to be late, no? |
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I think drivers should be mindful of other road users of all types, at all times. This includes pulling in to let queuing drivers pass you, especially when you are driving slower than the safe speed limit for the road and weather conditions.
Respect for others is important always, until such time as you live in isolation or die. |
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By *ssex_tom OP Man
over a year ago
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(like the OP for example, who's parents taught him to hold doors open for others) would naturally build extra time into any journey because it would be impolite to be late, no?
I am coming around to this way of thinking. I shall build extra time into my journey in future and I am sure that every polite horse box driver shall do the exact same thing. I wonder if the law of unintended consequences will come into effect. If I fancy a break then there will be no empty laybys. They will all be full of polite horse box drivers....  |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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I agree with most of the other posts, nothing gets my back up quicker than a slow driver for no reason. But when towing it's a different story specially if it's your 1st time towing. I've respect for people who do it I myself have towed a small trailer to a transit towing a plant trailer with a machine on believe me it's no fun when you can feel the trailer moving about behind you and you just become a passenger for it. Nothing happend I got control back.
I wonder how many people who get impatient behind some one towing have actually towed something big?? |
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"The original thread was for them to pull over and not speed..
There's no legal requirement to pull over.
Correct, there is no legal requirement, but the Highway Code advises that slower moving vehicles should pull over from time to time, where safe to do so, to let other traffic past.
If they don't, they're just being selfish.
By the time you'd pulled out the layby with 3 tonnes of horse and a 7.5 tonne lorry and built up a decent speed there would be another tailback. You would never get anywhere
Ah, so your journey is more important than everyone else's combined.
Don't be silly, you'd still make progress, just at a slower rate.
Just as important I imagine. Is there an order of importancy I wonder.
I can think of plenty; The doctor or nurse on their way to a house call, a service engineer attending to broken refrigeration plant affecting the stock of a food business ever minute that passes, etc.
To deliberately and wilfully make everyone slow down to your speed for an extended period, without pulling over from time to time, is just plain selfish.
I've driven tractors and trailers on the road having worked on farms and also having done some LGV driving, so I'm not coming at this from the limited perspective a purely being a car driver. I also ride horses, motorbikes and bicycles. Each form of transport has it's individual responsibilities and appropriate behaviours.
Sod the engineer on his way to fix a fridge I have a horse with colic on his way to the vets, every second I wait for the impatient arses, neddy is in more danger. "
Have you considered calling the vet out?
Surely that would kinder for the horse instead of trying to get a sick and distressed animal into a horsebox? |
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"Seriously!!
I've seen 4x4's pulling caravans at 70mph with the caravan swaying all over the place! Bloody dangerous, but they're a law unto themselves
I've seen a very large speedboat up on the grass embankment of a motorway, facing the wrong way with a driver scratching his head....good job it was up the embankment and not across the lanes on the motorway! Obviously driving too fast
I've also seen a twunt driving a horsebox and the horse was all over the place it couldn't stand up properly because of the crap driver....i bet the horse is traumatised!
I'd rather them do the limit that is safe.
Why should they pull over?
Why can't you be patient? "
I have a large 4x4
I used to own a caravan
I do in excess of 40’000 miles a year
One thing a lot of caravan owners ignore the limitation of pulling kerb weights against the weight of the caravan, my caravan was 1350 kgs and I wouldn’t attemp to tow that without a vehicle being around 1800 kgs, I see a lot of larger caravans being towed by medium sized cars, it’s extreely dangerous and you can be prosecuted for this too!! |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"The original thread was for them to pull over and not speed..
There's no legal requirement to pull over.
Correct, there is no legal requirement, but the Highway Code advises that slower moving vehicles should pull over from time to time, where safe to do so, to let other traffic past.
If they don't, they're just being selfish.
By the time you'd pulled out the layby with 3 tonnes of horse and a 7.5 tonne lorry and built up a decent speed there would be another tailback. You would never get anywhere
Ah, so your journey is more important than everyone else's combined.
Don't be silly, you'd still make progress, just at a slower rate.
Just as important I imagine. Is there an order of importancy I wonder.
I can think of plenty; The doctor or nurse on their way to a house call, a service engineer attending to broken refrigeration plant affecting the stock of a food business ever minute that passes, etc.
To deliberately and wilfully make everyone slow down to your speed for an extended period, without pulling over from time to time, is just plain selfish.
I've driven tractors and trailers on the road having worked on farms and also having done some LGV driving, so I'm not coming at this from the limited perspective a purely being a car driver. I also ride horses, motorbikes and bicycles. Each form of transport has it's individual responsibilities and appropriate behaviours.
Sod the engineer on his way to fix a fridge I have a horse with colic on his way to the vets, every second I wait for the impatient arses, neddy is in more danger.
Have you considered calling the vet out?
Surely that would kinder for the horse instead of trying to get a sick and distressed animal into a horsebox?"
I think the pwrson was talking Hypothetically. However, in the interests of education, a horse with colic being travelled would probably have already seen a vet and the vet might need to operate, and that would be why the horse was travelling. Operating theatres for horses are few and far between. |
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I'm sure the horsebox owner was driving with concern for the poor horse stuck in its little box bouncing around on the road... other drivers should take this into account instead of whining about it |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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As a horse box driver, 3.5 and 7 tonne. If I can I’ll wave the cars behind past when it’s safe to do so. Driving with a horse or horses is a tricky thing to do, bends and roundabouts are obstacles to be treated at a slower speed than normal.
Then you have the half wits in cars who pull out suddenly in front of you, the ones that overtake you then slow down or stop suddenly.
On the motorway in the inside (slow) lane a car driver over took me then pulled in front of me and slowed right down to 50! Why??
Let’s face it there’s hardly any respect at all for any road user these days.
Everybody and their journey is far more important than anyone or anything else.
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I've seen 4x4's pulling caravans at 70mph with the caravan swaying all over the place! Bloody dangerous, but they're a law unto themselves
They are also breaking the law to tow is 50mph on an A road and 50 mph on a motorway or duel carriageway.
Typo 60 on a motorway
60 on a motorway, 60 on a dual carriageway with a central reservation, 50 on a dual carriageway with no central reservation, but only if national speed limit applies.
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is the reservation the place the Indians love with there horses |
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Rule 169:“Do not hold up a long queue of traffic, especially if you are driving a large or slow-moving vehicle.“Check your mirrors frequently, and if necessary, pull in where it is safe and let traffic pass.”
Failure to pull over when there is a long queue of traffic behind can constitute an offence of inconsiderate driving, which can be punished with three to nine points on a driver’s licence and a fine of up to £5,000. |
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"Rule 169:“Do not hold up a long queue of traffic, especially if you are driving a large or slow-moving vehicle.“Check your mirrors frequently, and if necessary, pull in where it is safe and let traffic pass.”
Failure to pull over when there is a long queue of traffic behind can constitute an offence of inconsiderate driving, which can be punished with three to nine points on a driver’s licence and a fine of up to £5,000."
Devine slow moving vehicle please most horseboxes will be travelling above 30 miles per hour . There is no set minimum speed limit and as most roads in urban areas are now setting a 50 mph limit what would you really gain on a average 10 mile commuter drive . Possibly a minute. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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Op I bet your one of the impatient types that when I'm on my loped ride my back wheel as it only does 38mph at a push or fails to see I'm stationary waiting to turn right and decides to overtake as I'm about to manoeuvre nearly killing me (and this has happened a few times)rather than slow down and wait or undertake if room |
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"Rule 169:“Do not hold up a long queue of traffic, especially if you are driving a large or slow-moving vehicle.“Check your mirrors frequently, and if necessary, pull in where it is safe and let traffic pass.”
Failure to pull over when there is a long queue of traffic behind can constitute an offence of inconsiderate driving, which can be punished with three to nine points on a driver’s licence and a fine of up to £5,000."
yeah if you're plodding along at 10 mph with a tractor probably. Entirely different if you are doing the speed limit or driving to the road conditions. I've pulled horse boxes up and down the country and believe me there isn't a lot of areas on A and B roads where you have enough space to slow down and pull in to allow people past and then get up to speed to pull out safely. Any idea how much space you need to slow down from 50mph with nearly a ton weight at the back of you? |
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By the way op I also ride in the middle of the lane controlling the rd as per training but if I see a place I can pull over slightly where overs can pass me that won't cause problems for oncoming traffic I do but car drivers don't appreciate how bad the roads are for two wheels and how a bad road surface can throw a bikes stability but they still ride your arse and pass as close as they can beeping and swearing because u held them up for a few extra seconds,now when in a car and having been the biker I have a lot more respect for their safety especially the slower mopeds and scooters |
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By (user no longer on site)
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Horse boxes have livestock in them and can not brake suddenly and need to drive with care. Other road users should be mindful of this and be patient, we all have a right to use the public highways and should do so safely! |
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By (user no longer on site)
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When I'm towing our caravan I've signaled to overtake a lorry only to see cars speed up and close a gap.
I've seen cars doing 50 onma motorway causing problems.
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By (user no longer on site)
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And as for towing which I'm of a generation that automatically qualified to be able to do this without any lessons ,it's daunting enough to be in control of a caravan at 30/50 mph having to watch u don't clip something in tight spaces without some yahoo flashing and beeping because your in front of them causing you to be distracted and causing a potential accident ,and the stopping distance is increased at least 3 fold as u need to avoid jack knifing so op if some one is holding you up with their trailor or bike just remember they are trying to get to their destination as safely as possible not trying to piss u off |
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"Horse boxes have livestock in them and can not brake suddenly and need to drive with care. Other road users should be mindful of this and be patient, we all have a right to use the public highways and should do so safely!"
That's the issue . Other road users have either never driven a lorry or a large vehicle and wrongly assume that it's like driving a car |
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"Horse boxes have livestock in them and can not brake suddenly and need to drive with care. Other road users should be mindful of this and be patient, we all have a right to use the public highways and should do so safely!
That's the issue . Other road users have either never driven a lorry or a large vehicle and wrongly assume that it's like driving a car "
totally agree I've driven trucks as well for work and tractors and every one has its own difficulties |
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By (user no longer on site)
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So here's the thing I drive very very fast cars and I also tow a trailer with horses in. The two do not mix so if you have ever seen an accident where a horse lorry or trailer have been involved then you would understand why they have to drive with care.
If you cannot wait for a safe place to overtake then maybe you OP need to go on a road safety course and maybe anger management as one day your inpatient attitude to other road users might end up with you wishing you had. |
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By *onyGalWoman
over a year ago
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If I’m towing a trailer then I am focused on what the horse is doing and what the cars in front are doing (stopping distances), usually drive the speed limit unless there is a reason not to (road conditions, traffic, horse when cornering etc). I don’t see why I should pull over, cars behind can judge and overtake if they feel it’s safe, it’s not my job to drive for them too - it’s upto me to manage my own vehicle and trailer and make sure I’m driving safely. People in a rush should be leaving earlier, like I had to when factoring in a longer journey towing a trailer  |
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"I used to pull my hair out following caravans driving slowly and often they would not have wing mirrors wide enough to see the congestion behind.. That's nothing compared to horse box drivers who drive even slower and never ever pull over to let others pass... Gets my goat !"
Why do you have a goat in the car?
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"The original thread was for them to pull over and not speed.. "
I bet your one of them moaning drivers that get stuck behind my lorry at 7mph when I am pulling 550ton load on it. In my old job serving queen and country drivers would moan at us closing a road off to deal with a bomb.
Everyone is in to much of a rush theses days that’s why there are so meny accidents people rushing about. |
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Why anyone would want to put an animal's welfare at risk for nothing more than their own impatience is beyond me. This level of selfishness leaves me speechless and is indicative of today's society.
We don't need less horseboxes on the road, we need less arsehole drivers. |
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"Why anyone would want to put an animal's welfare at risk for nothing more than their own impatience is beyond me. This level of selfishness leaves me speechless and is indicative of today's society.
We don't need less horseboxes on the road, we need less arsehole drivers."
Yup. When I am driving a horsebox my overwhelming concern is the wellbeing of the horses. I don't recall ever having caused a long queue of traffic, but I pride myself on being able to drive over an hour without my passenger ever needing to move a foot! |
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By *tirluvMan
over a year ago
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"Why anyone would want to put an animal's welfare at risk for nothing more than their own impatience is beyond me. This level of selfishness leaves me speechless and is indicative of today's society.
We don't need less horseboxes on the road, we need less arsehole drivers.
Yup. When I am driving a horsebox my overwhelming concern is the wellbeing of the horses. I don't recall ever having caused a long queue of traffic, but I pride myself on being able to drive over an hour without my passenger ever needing to move a foot! "
Well if your passengers were the ones moving then you'd be back to riding them again wouldn't you -so where you leave the van and horsebox then -blocking traffic? |
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"Why anyone would want to put an animal's welfare at risk for nothing more than their own impatience is beyond me. This level of selfishness leaves me speechless and is indicative of today's society.
We don't need less horseboxes on the road, we need less arsehole drivers.
Yup. When I am driving a horsebox my overwhelming concern is the wellbeing of the horses. I don't recall ever having caused a long queue of traffic, but I pride myself on being able to drive over an hour without my passenger ever needing to move a foot!
Well if your passengers were the ones moving then you'd be back to riding them again wouldn't you -so where you leave the van and horsebox then -blocking traffic?"
No, there was always plenty of room provided to park our boxes on someone's lovely private estate thanks. |
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I popped into my local supermarket Saturday after my day out and parked up in two spaces and no one moaned I think taking my horse for a walk around the vegetable isle he would have enjoyed |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"I used to pull my hair out following caravans driving slowly and often they would not have wing mirrors wide enough to see the congestion behind.. That's nothing compared to horse box drivers who drive even slower and never ever pull over to let others pass... Gets my goat !"
Easy tiger I drive a horse box and I’m totally respectful although we get the less impatient people that pull out of junctions etc just to beat the Horsebox as they are totally more important of course on the roads and can also cause injury from sudden braking to the horse travelling which can impact how it travels the nevt time ! Food for thought peeps xx |
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By *tirluvMan
over a year ago
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"Why anyone would want to put an animal's welfare at risk for nothing more than their own impatience is beyond me. This level of selfishness leaves me speechless and is indicative of today's society.
We don't need less horseboxes on the road, we need less arsehole drivers.
Yup. When I am driving a horsebox my overwhelming concern is the wellbeing of the horses. I don't recall ever having caused a long queue of traffic, but I pride myself on being able to drive over an hour without my passenger ever needing to move a foot!
Well if your passengers were the ones moving then you'd be back to riding them again wouldn't you -so where you leave the van and horsebox then -blocking traffic?
No, there was always plenty of room provided to park our boxes on someone's lovely private estate thanks."
Well that is extreme -parking your car on top of their's an all -what you got against estates anyway? |
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Bottom line any vehicle correctly taxed and insured has right to be on the road, and drive at correct speed applicable to that vehicle and its contents In respect of the road and conditions they travelling along.
If one wishes to avoid such encounters then prior to your journey one should check for events along their route such as gymkhana s or race meetings.. And reroute accordingly.. |
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"Why anyone would want to put an animal's welfare at risk for nothing more than their own impatience is beyond me. This level of selfishness leaves me speechless and is indicative of today's society.
We don't need less horseboxes on the road, we need less arsehole drivers.
Yup. When I am driving a horsebox my overwhelming concern is the wellbeing of the horses. I don't recall ever having caused a long queue of traffic, but I pride myself on being able to drive over an hour without my passenger ever needing to move a foot!
Well if your passengers were the ones moving then you'd be back to riding them again wouldn't you -so where you leave the van and horsebox then -blocking traffic?
No, there was always plenty of room provided to park our boxes on someone's lovely private estate thanks.
Well that is extreme -parking your car on top of their's an all -what you got against estates anyway?"
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