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"They can get a lot of information about you from social media if they have your real name. " Nope not this time. I've never been on any and all she knew was my 1st name. She didn't even understand what it was she was telling me untill after and I explained what it ment. | |||
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"What kind of precise information? Did you have to book a place and give the names of those attending?" No we didn’t. It was booked through a friend. They gave me my dads name and my stepdads name and knew information about my mum and she died. My husband said they just guess but I said guess all that? I’m pretty much on the fence whether I believe it or not. | |||
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"They can get a lot of information about you from social media if they have your real name. Nope not this time. I've never been on any and all she knew was my 1st name. She didn't even understand what it was she was telling me untill after and I explained what it ment." I had this too. I went for a reading with this male medium and the stuff he knew about me. Stuff I've not told anyone. I spent the session in tears | |||
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"They can get a lot of information about you from social media if they have your real name. Nope not this time. I've never been on any and all she knew was my 1st name. She didn't even understand what it was she was telling me untill after and I explained what it ment. I had this too. I went for a reading with this male medium and the stuff he knew about me. Stuff I've not told anyone. I spent the session in tears " I actually came away crying too. I’d said we weren’t celebrating Xmas this year with losing my brother and this man tonight said your mums said make this the best Christmas ever. | |||
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"The way they get seemingly amazing facts is called 'cold reading'. There are books and videos showing how 'psychics' do it. " This is what my husband and dad said. It was well know in the war of a way of getting information from you for the enemy | |||
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"I believe in Psychics! I believe they are very good at parting people from their money but not much else. "Wasn’t cheap. £35 for 2 readings and a crap meal, pudding was nice though. | |||
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"They can get a lot of information about you from social media if they have your real name. Nope not this time. I've never been on any and all she knew was my 1st name. She didn't even understand what it was she was telling me untill after and I explained what it ment. I had this too. I went for a reading with this male medium and the stuff he knew about me. Stuff I've not told anyone. I spent the session in tears I actually came away crying too. I’d said we weren’t celebrating Xmas this year with losing my brother and this man tonight said your mums said make this the best Christmas ever. " What I would say is give it a couple of days then go over what was said and decide what's evidence of psychic ability and what isn't. I've seen and heard too many things to not believe that human beings have certain abilities but I am extremely cynical about what is and isn't genuine. | |||
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"What kind of precise information? Did you have to book a place and give the names of those attending? No we didn’t. It was booked through a friend. They gave me my dads name and my stepdads name and knew information about my mum and she died. My husband said they just guess but I said guess all that? I’m pretty much on the fence whether I believe it or not. " No, that wasn't guesswork. Was the reading before,after or during the meal? | |||
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"They can get a lot of information about you from social media if they have your real name. Nope not this time. I've never been on any and all she knew was my 1st name. She didn't even understand what it was she was telling me untill after and I explained what it ment. I had this too. I went for a reading with this male medium and the stuff he knew about me. Stuff I've not told anyone. I spent the session in tears I actually came away crying too. I’d said we weren’t celebrating Xmas this year with losing my brother and this man tonight said your mums said make this the best Christmas ever. What I would say is give it a couple of days then go over what was said and decide what's evidence of psychic ability and what isn't. I've seen and heard too many things to not believe that human beings have certain abilities but I am extremely cynical about what is and isn't genuine." Well it was all recorded for us so I’ll go over it in a few days. It would be nice to think though that when your loved ones have passed they are still with you. | |||
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"What kind of precise information? Did you have to book a place and give the names of those attending? No we didn’t. It was booked through a friend. They gave me my dads name and my stepdads name and knew information about my mum and she died. My husband said they just guess but I said guess all that? I’m pretty much on the fence whether I believe it or not. No, that wasn't guesswork. Was the reading before,after or during the meal?" During the meal. We sat on table away from others and were the 1st to be called up for a reading. | |||
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"My husbands gran many many many years ago (when she was just in her twenties, she died two years ago in her 70s) saw one, and they predicted how she would die, what age she would die, and how many children she would have. All were correct " My mom saw one years ago when she was still alive and married to my Dad and was very accurate with her readings, so was my Nan who could read tea leaves. | |||
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"They can get a lot of information about you from social media if they have your real name. Nope not this time. I've never been on any and all she knew was my 1st name. She didn't even understand what it was she was telling me untill after and I explained what it ment. I had this too. I went for a reading with this male medium and the stuff he knew about me. Stuff I've not told anyone. I spent the session in tears I actually came away crying too. I’d said we weren’t celebrating Xmas this year with losing my brother and this man tonight said your mums said make this the best Christmas ever. What I would say is give it a couple of days then go over what was said and decide what's evidence of psychic ability and what isn't. I've seen and heard too many things to not believe that human beings have certain abilities but I am extremely cynical about what is and isn't genuine. Well it was all recorded for us so I’ll go over it in a few days. It would be nice to think though that when your loved ones have passed they are still with you. " They are in your memories.  | |||
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"If I remember right I paid about 15/20 quid at most and was there well over an hour. If she was a scam she was hardly making a fortune out of it. I can understand why ppl think that though as I did and no dawt most of them are full of shit but the 1 I seen really wasn't. She even told me what pets I'd had including the names. That was straight off the bat with no way she could have known. Lucky guess maybe but if it was I'm going back for next week's lottery numbers." Ha ha, I actually joked about this tonight and was told they can’t use their gift like that. | |||
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"My mum had been suffering from a horrible pain in her stomach for days. A woman she knew by sight stopped her in the street and said "you've got pain" put her hands on the exact spot and the pain went away. There are people who have abilities we don't understand yet. However for every person who has been told genuine information by a psychic there are at least 1000 who have been told a load of old claptrap." I totally agree. When my mum 1st died, I ended up spending a small fortune on seeing mediums, just so I could get a message from her. That was all bullshit and not one of them told me anything significant. I also believe there are those that have a gift. | |||
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"If I remember right I paid about 15/20 quid at most and was there well over an hour. If she was a scam she was hardly making a fortune out of it. I can understand why ppl think that though as I did and no dawt most of them are full of shit but the 1 I seen really wasn't. She even told me what pets I'd had including the names. That was straight off the bat with no way she could have known. Lucky guess maybe but if it was I'm going back for next week's lottery numbers." I don't get it, she told you stuff you already knew and you paid money for that?  | |||
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"My mum had been suffering from a horrible pain in her stomach for days. A woman she knew by sight stopped her in the street and said "you've got pain" put her hands on the exact spot and the pain went away. There are people who have abilities we don't understand yet. However for every person who has been told genuine information by a psychic there are at least 1000 who have been told a load of old claptrap. I totally agree. When my mum 1st died, I ended up spending a small fortune on seeing mediums, just so I could get a message from her. That was all bullshit and not one of them told me anything significant. I also believe there are those that have a gift. " I think anyone needs to be quite careful about believing that anything is a message from a dead relative. Its a huge leap from someone knowing certain things about you by whatever method and them knowing those things because a spirit told them. | |||
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"If I remember right I paid about 15/20 quid at most and was there well over an hour. If she was a scam she was hardly making a fortune out of it. I can understand why ppl think that though as I did and no dawt most of them are full of shit but the 1 I seen really wasn't. She even told me what pets I'd had including the names. That was straight off the bat with no way she could have known. Lucky guess maybe but if it was I'm going back for next week's lottery numbers. I don't get it, she told you stuff you already knew and you paid money for that? "Funny guy. | |||
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"If I remember right I paid about 15/20 quid at most and was there well over an hour. If she was a scam she was hardly making a fortune out of it. I can understand why ppl think that though as I did and no dawt most of them are full of shit but the 1 I seen really wasn't. She even told me what pets I'd had including the names. That was straight off the bat with no way she could have known. Lucky guess maybe but if it was I'm going back for next week's lottery numbers." The first fact , question would be to ask How does derren brown do it And remember he did predict the correct lottery numbers The fact is people who do not claim to speak to the dead can do everything a psychic claims leaving their audience spell bound They use more than one trick technique , but one technique they do not use is speak to dead people I cannot fathom every trick, this does not mean their non plausible explanation is true Even Derren brown lies when he pretends in a long winded manner he is selecting the most suggestable , where the technique he used would have worked on anyone , it's just good theatre So the main point Regardless of what they know until you KNOW how Derren does it you should assume they are doing the exact same , why would you not? | |||
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"If I remember right I paid about 15/20 quid at most and was there well over an hour. If she was a scam she was hardly making a fortune out of it. I can understand why ppl think that though as I did and no dawt most of them are full of shit but the 1 I seen really wasn't. She even told me what pets I'd had including the names. That was straight off the bat with no way she could have known. Lucky guess maybe but if it was I'm going back for next week's lottery numbers. The first fact , question would be to ask How does derren brown do it And remember he did predict the correct lottery numbers The fact is people who do not claim to speak to the dead can do everything a psychic claims leaving their audience spell bound They use more than one trick technique , but one technique they do not use is speak to dead people I cannot fathom every trick, this does not mean their non plausible explanation is true Even Derren brown lies when he pretends in a long winded manner he is selecting the most suggestable , where the technique he used would have worked on anyone , it's just good theatre So the main point Regardless of what they know until you KNOW how Derren does it you should assume they are doing the exact same , why would you not? " Darren brown is a fake gives mediums a bad name | |||
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" Regardless of what they know until you KNOW how Derren does it you should assume they are doing the exact same , why would you not? " People prefer comforting lies to hard truths. Your dog hasn't been incinerated after the vet gave it massive dose of phenobarbital, it's living on a happy farm, far away. Your loved one isn't gone forever they're watching over you etc... | |||
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"Its all a con praying on people who are vulnerable to make money. Its funny how they always get clues, like hearing a letter or a number. The dead person never comes through with their full date of birth, national insurance number and talks normally. The James Randi challenge ran for years and exposed so many of these fakes and con artists. You’re born, you live and then you die. You’re brain (which is you) rots away and thats the end. "You don’t know this for certain tho. That’s your belief and that’s up to you but you can’t say it’s fact because ultimately we don’t know until the time comes. I’ve witnessed things personally that can’t be brushed aside as nonsense or my mind playing tricks on me. | |||
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"If I remember right I paid about 15/20 quid at most and was there well over an hour. If she was a scam she was hardly making a fortune out of it. I can understand why ppl think that though as I did and no dawt most of them are full of shit but the 1 I seen really wasn't. She even told me what pets I'd had including the names. That was straight off the bat with no way she could have known. Lucky guess maybe but if it was I'm going back for next week's lottery numbers. The first fact , question would be to ask How does derren brown do it And remember he did predict the correct lottery numbers The fact is people who do not claim to speak to the dead can do everything a psychic claims leaving their audience spell bound They use more than one trick technique , but one technique they do not use is speak to dead people I cannot fathom every trick, this does not mean their non plausible explanation is true Even Derren brown lies when he pretends in a long winded manner he is selecting the most suggestable , where the technique he used would have worked on anyone , it's just good theatre So the main point Regardless of what they know until you KNOW how Derren does it you should assume they are doing the exact same , why would you not? Darren brown is a fake gives mediums a bad name" He’s not a fake, he’s open about his methods, he doesn’t clam to be psychic. | |||
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"I am a pshyic medium" Going by your name alone I’d say you’re more a psychic large  | |||
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"Its all a con praying on people who are vulnerable to make money. Its funny how they always get clues, like hearing a letter or a number. The dead person never comes through with their full date of birth, national insurance number and talks normally. The James Randi challenge ran for years and exposed so many of these fakes and con artists. You’re born, you live and then you die. You’re brain (which is you) rots away and thats the end.
You don’t know this for certain tho. That’s your belief and that’s up to you but you can’t say it’s fact because ultimately we don’t know until the time comes. I’ve witnessed things personally that can’t be brushed aside as nonsense or my mind playing tricks on me. "My belief is backed up by scientific fact, which is constantly challenged and evolves. Your belief is backed up by zero evidence and crack pots who make money from vulnerable people. | |||
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"Its all a con praying on people who are vulnerable to make money. Its funny how they always get clues, like hearing a letter or a number. The dead person never comes through with their full date of birth, national insurance number and talks normally. The James Randi challenge ran for years and exposed so many of these fakes and con artists. You’re born, you live and then you die. You’re brain (which is you) rots away and thats the end.
You don’t know this for certain tho. That’s your belief and that’s up to you but you can’t say it’s fact because ultimately we don’t know until the time comes. I’ve witnessed things personally that can’t be brushed aside as nonsense or my mind playing tricks on me.
My belief is backed up by scientific fact, which is constantly challenged and evolves. Your belief is backed up by zero evidence and crack pots who make money from vulnerable people."It’s not tho. I have never visited a psychic. I have seen things first hand to form my own opinions. | |||
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"The people who attend such events are looking for answers, they need to feel loved, touched, thought of. For me it would be better if these people concentrate on improving their lives" Some people want to believe in something you only have to look at the cults around to see that. Mediums are just clever people who cant take advantage of the vulnerable. | |||
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"Its all a con praying on people who are vulnerable to make money. Its funny how they always get clues, like hearing a letter or a number. The dead person never comes through with their full date of birth, national insurance number and talks normally. The James Randi challenge ran for years and exposed so many of these fakes and con artists. You’re born, you live and then you die. You’re brain (which is you) rots away and thats the end.
You don’t know this for certain tho. That’s your belief and that’s up to you but you can’t say it’s fact because ultimately we don’t know until the time comes. I’ve witnessed things personally that can’t be brushed aside as nonsense or my mind playing tricks on me.
My belief is backed up by scientific fact, which is constantly challenged and evolves. Your belief is backed up by zero evidence and crack pots who make money from vulnerable people.
It’s not tho. I have never visited a psychic. I have seen things first hand to form my own opinions. "Well thats just heresy | |||
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"The people who attend such events are looking for answers, they need to feel loved, touched, thought of. For me it would be better if these people concentrate on improving their lives Some people want to believe in something you only have to look at the cults around to see that. Mediums are just clever people who cant take advantage of the vulnerable. " Could add all the worlds religions to that list to | |||
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"Its all a con praying on people who are vulnerable to make money. Its funny how they always get clues, like hearing a letter or a number. The dead person never comes through with their full date of birth, national insurance number and talks normally. The James Randi challenge ran for years and exposed so many of these fakes and con artists. You’re born, you live and then you die. You’re brain (which is you) rots away and thats the end.
You don’t know this for certain tho. That’s your belief and that’s up to you but you can’t say it’s fact because ultimately we don’t know until the time comes. I’ve witnessed things personally that can’t be brushed aside as nonsense or my mind playing tricks on me.
My belief is backed up by scientific fact, which is constantly challenged and evolves. Your belief is backed up by zero evidence and crack pots who make money from vulnerable people.
It’s not tho. I have never visited a psychic. I have seen things first hand to form my own opinions. "Yes indeed you have , so now tell us how you have ruled out any of the unknown techniques that the magicians use to perform the exact same results as you have witnessed x I assume you know ALL the techniques to be able to discern that they are not being employed to convince you ? As you must already know ALL of them please tell me x | |||
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"You don’t know this for certain tho. That’s your belief and that’s up to you but you can’t say it’s fact because ultimately we don’t know until the time comes. I’ve witnessed things personally that can’t be brushed aside as nonsense or my mind playing tricks on me. " It's not just their opinion, entropy is a law of thermodynamics. Ghosts/afterlife would violate the laws of thermodynamics. If you have to eat food, your entire life for energy, where does the energy for being a ghost come from? "Science doesn't know everything" isn't an answer | |||
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"Its all a con praying on people who are vulnerable to make money. Its funny how they always get clues, like hearing a letter or a number. The dead person never comes through with their full date of birth, national insurance number and talks normally. The James Randi challenge ran for years and exposed so many of these fakes and con artists. You’re born, you live and then you die. You’re brain (which is you) rots away and thats the end.
You don’t know this for certain tho. That’s your belief and that’s up to you but you can’t say it’s fact because ultimately we don’t know until the time comes. I’ve witnessed things personally that can’t be brushed aside as nonsense or my mind playing tricks on me.
My belief is backed up by scientific fact, which is constantly challenged and evolves. Your belief is backed up by zero evidence and crack pots who make money from vulnerable people.
It’s not tho. I have never visited a psychic. I have seen things first hand to form my own opinions.
Yes indeed you have , so now tell us how you have ruled out any of the unknown techniques that the magicians use to perform the exact same results as you have witnessed x I assume you know ALL the techniques to be able to discern that they are not being employed to convince you ?
As you must already know ALL of them please tell me x"I’ve just told you that I have never visited a psychic. I’m not referring to the work of psychics. I’m saying I have witnessed things myself, as in with my own eyes that are the basis of my opinions. I don’t mean I have watched a psychic at work and I believed what I saw or heard. | |||
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"You don’t know this for certain tho. That’s your belief and that’s up to you but you can’t say it’s fact because ultimately we don’t know until the time comes. I’ve witnessed things personally that can’t be brushed aside as nonsense or my mind playing tricks on me. It's not just their opinion, entropy is a law of thermodynamics. Ghosts/afterlife would violate the laws of thermodynamics. If you have to eat food, your entire life for energy, where does the energy for being a ghost come from? "Science doesn't know everything" isn't an answer" I have no idea, just because we don’t know the answers doesn’t mean it can’t be true. | |||
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"You don’t know this for certain tho. That’s your belief and that’s up to you but you can’t say it’s fact because ultimately we don’t know until the time comes. I’ve witnessed things personally that can’t be brushed aside as nonsense or my mind playing tricks on me. It's not just their opinion, entropy is a law of thermodynamics. Ghosts/afterlife would violate the laws of thermodynamics. If you have to eat food, your entire life for energy, where does the energy for being a ghost come from? "Science doesn't know everything" isn't an answer I have no idea, just because we don’t know the answers doesn’t mean it can’t be true. " Slow hand clap for this guy. Just because the collective human understanding of the universe isn't complete, doesn't mean it's ok to hold bullshit with no evidence, as equal to the views and beliefs that do. | |||
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"Just been to a phychic supper and had 2 readings. Was hoping my brother that passed in June would come through but he didn’t. I was told it’s not enough time since he passed to come to me. The readings I had were pretty prescise but I’ve come home thinking WTF! If these people are fakes how do they know so much information. " Not in any way no, thought reading possibly, talking to the dead, not a chance. | |||
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"I believe we don't fully understand the capabilities of the human brain. What I can't decide is whether the capabilities we don't understand are ones we have lost or ones we are developing. I'd like to think the latter." I think a lot can be explained by the use of all our senses *to the full*. Something which modern man has lost due artificial lighting, heat etc. I suspect the humans of early and prehistory would have been able to read situations and people much more readily than us. I wonder if some psychic ability is down to this. It's also believed that ancestor worship was the norm in many cultures and that possibly people communicated directly with their dead relatives by revisiting their remains on feast days. I wonder if somehow the two became intertwined and the belief developed that certain information being picked up tacitly to keep safe and fed was attributed to the dead ancestors. | |||
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"You don’t know this for certain tho. That’s your belief and that’s up to you but you can’t say it’s fact because ultimately we don’t know until the time comes. I’ve witnessed things personally that can’t be brushed aside as nonsense or my mind playing tricks on me. It's not just their opinion, entropy is a law of thermodynamics. Ghosts/afterlife would violate the laws of thermodynamics. If you have to eat food, your entire life for energy, where does the energy for being a ghost come from? "Science doesn't know everything" isn't an answer I have no idea, just because we don’t know the answers doesn’t mean it can’t be true. Slow hand clap for this guy. Just because the collective human understanding of the universe isn't complete, doesn't mean it's ok to hold bullshit with no evidence, as equal to the views and beliefs that do. " No need for sarcasm. Its an open discussion. | |||
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"I believe they are very good at what they do, and their clientele are mainly there because they want to believe! Whether they are truly ‘psychic’ is open to debate. It’s yet to be scientifically proved, which is why I’m a natural sceptic, but I also know lack of scientific proof doesn’t necessarily mean that there’s not something in it as our scientific knowledge is increasing all the time! " But science is *not* neutral on psychics. At this time there is no scentific basis for believing in psychics. Which is exactly true of monsters underneath my bed. Until I actually check, I don't know whether there is or there isn't. Science says: fear of monsters under your bed is probably psychological, no one has ever taxonomically documented these monsters Psychics say: science doesn't know everything so there *could* be monsters under your bed | |||
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"You don’t know this for certain tho. That’s your belief and that’s up to you but you can’t say it’s fact because ultimately we don’t know until the time comes. I’ve witnessed things personally that can’t be brushed aside as nonsense or my mind playing tricks on me. It's not just their opinion, entropy is a law of thermodynamics. Ghosts/afterlife would violate the laws of thermodynamics. If you have to eat food, your entire life for energy, where does the energy for being a ghost come from? "Science doesn't know everything" isn't an answer I have no idea, just because we don’t know the answers doesn’t mean it can’t be true. Slow hand clap for this guy. Just because the collective human understanding of the universe isn't complete, doesn't mean it's ok to hold bullshit with no evidence, as equal to the views and beliefs that do. " I’ll believe what I want to believe not what some guy in a dodgy pair of undies tells me to believe. You have no idea what I have seen first hand or witnessed with my own eyes yet you know for a fact that it’s bull shit. I feel sorry for you people with closed minds. I’d never tell anybody that they’re talking shit unless I was there and could say for certain it didn’t happen. | |||
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".....Wasn’t cheap. £35 for 2 readings and a crap meal, pudding was nice though. " Well at least you got a nice pudding and some kind of comfort even if only a placebo. As someone else mentioned Mr Randi's prize for a genuine (as defined in the rules) is still open. Given how many 'psychics' are happy to charge for their 'services' it's odd that none of them have managed to claim it. Given how terrible the human mind is at spotting a con it's not surprising that people continue to belive in psychic powers, religion, homeopathy etc. It's very easy to say 'they don't fool me' but we're all prone to wishful and magical thinking. Crowd Science on the World Service did an episode on it recently. Mike xx PS when we die all we do is decay, there's no afterlife! It's a genius marketing stratagem based in our awerenes of mortality. | |||
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"I’ll believe what I want to believe not what some guy in a dodgy pair of undies tells me to believe. You have no idea what I have seen first hand or witnessed with my own eyes yet you know for a fact that it’s bull shit. I feel sorry for you people with closed minds. I’d never tell anybody that they’re talking shit unless I was there and could say for certain it didn’t happen. " I believe in things if there's evidence for them I don't believe in things if there's evidence against them. If that makes me closed minded then I wear it with a badge of pride | |||
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".....Darren brown is a fake gives mediums a bad name" I'm pretty sure Mr Brown is a skilled entertainer who's (amongst other things) trying to show how mediums and psychics can produce results without any psychic ability. That might well sully their reputation :D Of course it would be nice if he were here to confirm that himself, Mr Brown, if you're reading this thread please do give us your 2p worth. Mike xx | |||
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"They can get a lot of information about you from social media if they have your real name. Nope not this time. I've never been on any and all she knew was my 1st name. She didn't even understand what it was she was telling me untill after and I explained what it ment. I had this too. I went for a reading with this male medium and the stuff he knew about me. Stuff I've not told anyone. I spent the session in tears I actually came away crying too. I’d said we weren’t celebrating Xmas this year with losing my brother and this man tonight said your mums said make this the best Christmas ever. " He could have said this to me and it would have been relevant. | |||
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"I believe we don't fully understand the capabilities of the human brain. What I can't decide is whether the capabilities we don't understand are ones we have lost or ones we are developing. I'd like to think the latter." the next step in human brain development will more likely be with a computer chip than a next evolutionary step..then aye..we could claim some degree of a psychic link..but it wont be magical shit. | |||
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"I’ll believe what I want to believe not what some guy in a dodgy pair of undies tells me to believe. You have no idea what I have seen first hand or witnessed with my own eyes yet you know for a fact that it’s bull shit. I feel sorry for you people with closed minds. I’d never tell anybody that they’re talking shit unless I was there and could say for certain it didn’t happen. I believe in things if there's evidence for them I don't believe in things if there's evidence against them. If that makes me closed minded then I wear it with a badge of pride "So where’s the evidence that ghosts and spirits don’t exist. I’m not aware that anybody has claimed to have proved they don’t just as nobody has proved they do. | |||
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"I’ll believe what I want to believe not what some guy in a dodgy pair of undies tells me to believe. You have no idea what I have seen first hand or witnessed with my own eyes yet you know for a fact that it’s bull shit. I feel sorry for you people with closed minds. I’d never tell anybody that they’re talking shit unless I was there and could say for certain it didn’t happen. I believe in things if there's evidence for them I don't believe in things if there's evidence against them. If that makes me closed minded then I wear it with a badge of pride
So where’s the evidence that ghosts and spirits don’t exist. I’m not aware that anybody has claimed to have proved they don’t just as nobody has proved they do."You can't prove a negative. The laws of thermodynamics are accepted as scientific fact. Ghosts would violate thermodynamics. That's good enough for me. | |||
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"I believe some psychics are real, but the fakes far outweigh the genuine ones. I could practice psychometry as a child long before I knew it had a name. I thought everyone could do it. Stopped it when I realised it was a psychic ability. Not sure if I still can do it tbh. I've seen ghosts, had premonition dreams, usually when a death is imminent (still do at times) I can read people well, and have told people stuff about themselves. So yes, I believe psychic ability is there for a select few. " but not one has ever demonstrated it..ever...people have been routinely offered £1m or more cash if they can prove supernatural abilities...now in a world of quite a few billion that claim miracles are real aka jesus...surely these are odds that just cannot hold anything real... as I say...even looking into the scientific realms of multiple universes etc..nothing appears to have any resemblance to supernatural events. | |||
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"I’ll believe what I want to believe not what some guy in a dodgy pair of undies tells me to believe. You have no idea what I have seen first hand or witnessed with my own eyes yet you know for a fact that it’s bull shit. I feel sorry for you people with closed minds. I’d never tell anybody that they’re talking shit unless I was there and could say for certain it didn’t happen. I believe in things if there's evidence for them I don't believe in things if there's evidence against them. If that makes me closed minded then I wear it with a badge of pride
So where’s the evidence that ghosts and spirits don’t exist. I’m not aware that anybody has claimed to have proved they don’t just as nobody has proved they do."I suppose people like Richard Dawkins explains these issues..while it might all sound a bit arrogant..I believe its quite right we keep the supernatural to fantasy stories..and yeah, that includes heaven,hell..and pretty much everything else. | |||
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"I’ll believe what I want to believe not what some guy in a dodgy pair of undies tells me to believe. You have no idea what I have seen first hand or witnessed with my own eyes yet you know for a fact that it’s bull shit. I feel sorry for you people with closed minds. I’d never tell anybody that they’re talking shit unless I was there and could say for certain it didn’t happen. I believe in things if there's evidence for them I don't believe in things if there's evidence against them. If that makes me closed minded then I wear it with a badge of pride
So where’s the evidence that ghosts and spirits don’t exist. I’m not aware that anybody has claimed to have proved they don’t just as nobody has proved they do.
You can't prove a negative. The laws of thermodynamics are accepted as scientific fact. Ghosts would violate thermodynamics.
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"I’ll believe what I want to believe not what some guy in a dodgy pair of undies tells me to believe. You have no idea what I have seen first hand or witnessed with my own eyes yet you know for a fact that it’s bull shit. I feel sorry for you people with closed minds. I’d never tell anybody that they’re talking shit unless I was there and could say for certain it didn’t happen. I believe in things if there's evidence for them I don't believe in things if there's evidence against them. If that makes me closed minded then I wear it with a badge of pride
So where’s the evidence that ghosts and spirits don’t exist. I’m not aware that anybody has claimed to have proved they don’t just as nobody has proved they do.
You can't prove a negative. The laws of thermodynamics are accepted as scientific fact. Ghosts would violate thermodynamics.
That's good enough for me.
Not all that long ago it was scientific fact that the Earth was flat. Some arseholes still think it is. Are you one of them?"nobody has thought the earth was flat for a very very very very long time..and I'm talking ancient greek times. This christopher columbus story has been well disproven. ancient people know the world is round...they just had no clue how big it was... now...there are people now believing a deception of a global scale now on the shape of the earth though lol even the bible never said it was flat(as some claim..but that's entirely false also) | |||
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" Not all that long ago it was scientific fact that the Earth was flat. Some arseholes still think it is. Are you one of them?" It has never been a scientific fact that the earth is flat. Scientific facts are observable and repeatable. You can't observe that the earth is flat because it isn't. I'm sceptical that the population at large thought the world was flat tbh, some simple science points towards the planet being a sphere* | |||
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"I’ll believe what I want to believe not what some guy in a dodgy pair of undies tells me to believe. You have no idea what I have seen first hand or witnessed with my own eyes yet you know for a fact that it’s bull shit. I feel sorry for you people with closed minds. I’d never tell anybody that they’re talking shit unless I was there and could say for certain it didn’t happen. I believe in things if there's evidence for them I don't believe in things if there's evidence against them. If that makes me closed minded then I wear it with a badge of pride
So where’s the evidence that ghosts and spirits don’t exist. I’m not aware that anybody has claimed to have proved they don’t just as nobody has proved they do.
You can't prove a negative. The laws of thermodynamics are accepted as scientific fact. Ghosts would violate thermodynamics.
That's good enough for me.
Not all that long ago it was scientific fact that the Earth was flat. Some arseholes still think it is. Are you one of them?
nobody has thought the earth was flat for a very very very very long time..and I'm talking ancient greek times. This christopher columbus story has been well disproven. ancient people know the world is round...they just had no clue how big it was...
now...there are people now believing a deception of a global scale now on the shape of the earth though lol
even the bible never said it was flat(as some claim..but that's entirely false also)
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" Not all that long ago it was scientific fact that the Earth was flat. Some arseholes still think it is. Are you one of them? It has never been a scientific fact that the earth is flat. Scientific facts are observable and repeatable. You can't observe that the earth is flat because it isn't. I'm sceptical that the population at large thought the world was flat tbh, some simple science points towards the planet being a sphere*" flatness was never really the issue, it was always more about the sun revolving around a very special planet..called earth. | |||
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"I’ll believe what I want to believe not what some guy in a dodgy pair of undies tells me to believe. You have no idea what I have seen first hand or witnessed with my own eyes yet you know for a fact that it’s bull shit. I feel sorry for you people with closed minds. I’d never tell anybody that they’re talking shit unless I was there and could say for certain it didn’t happen. I believe in things if there's evidence for them I don't believe in things if there's evidence against them. If that makes me closed minded then I wear it with a badge of pride
So where’s the evidence that ghosts and spirits don’t exist. I’m not aware that anybody has claimed to have proved they don’t just as nobody has proved they do.
You can't prove a negative. The laws of thermodynamics are accepted as scientific fact. Ghosts would violate thermodynamics.
That's good enough for me.
Not all that long ago it was scientific fact that the Earth was flat. Some arseholes still think it is. Are you one of them?
nobody has thought the earth was flat for a very very very very long time..and I'm talking ancient greek times. This christopher columbus story has been well disproven. ancient people know the world is round...they just had no clue how big it was...
now...there are people now believing a deception of a global scale now on the shape of the earth though lol
even the bible never said it was flat(as some claim..but that's entirely false also)
In terms of time, Ancient Greece wasn’t all that long ago, that’s what I was getting at. In a few thousand years people could be saying “many years ago they didn’t believe in ghosts, how stupid were they”. Who knows. I can’t say they’re real, I can just go off my own personal experiences, but then you can’t say they’re not real. You can just give your opinion. Neither has any more credibility than the other."one is a belief..the other is repeated experimental observations.. the credibility I'm afraid really does lie with the latter..but hey thatsmy opinion  | |||
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"Just been to a phychic supper and had 2 readings. Was hoping my brother that passed in June would come through but he didn’t. I was told it’s not enough time since he passed to come to me. The readings I had were pretty prescise but I’ve come home thinking WTF! If these people are fakes how do they know so much information. " It's called Cold Reading and it's a trick. | |||
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"In terms of time, Ancient Greece wasn’t all that long ago, that’s what I was getting at. In a few thousand years people could be saying “many years ago they didn’t believe in ghosts, how stupid were they”. Who knows. I can’t say they’re real, I can just go off my own personal experiences, but then you can’t say they’re not real. You can just give your opinion. Neither has any more credibility than the other." That's comparing apples and oranges, you can figure out the earth is a sphere using only the human eye and basic understanding of geometry. The evidence is observable and repeatable. I don't think people are stupid for not believing in Germ Theory when it was first devised because microbes were beyond the technological ability to observe. I think the people who made up whatever they wanted to in the absence of scientific certainty were stupid | |||
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"The guy who invented the computer that read minds .is now used in technology what u look at what u read etc etc ..have u ever thought of something ..like a new pair of shoes next fucking min new shoes show up on my phone .tho I not looked for them yet ." They're called cookies. | |||
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"The guy who invented the computer that read minds .is now used in technology what u look at what u read etc etc ..have u ever thought of something ..like a new pair of shoes next fucking min new shoes show up on my phone .tho I not looked for them yet . They're called cookies." Cookies can’t read thoughts, only your history. The guy said he hadn’t looked for the shoes yet. | |||
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"The guy who invented the computer that read minds .is now used in technology what u look at what u read etc etc ..have u ever thought of something ..like a new pair of shoes next fucking min new shoes show up on my phone .tho I not looked for them yet . They're called cookies. Cookies can’t read thoughts, only your history. The guy said he hadn’t looked for the shoes yet." Yes, and I didn't believe a word. | |||
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"The guy who invented the computer that read minds .is now used in technology what u look at what u read etc etc ..have u ever thought of something ..like a new pair of shoes next fucking min new shoes show up on my phone .tho I not looked for them yet . They're called cookies. Cookies can’t read thoughts, only your history. The guy said he hadn’t looked for the shoes yet. Yes, and I didn't believe a word. " lets get the facts out before we say the computer reads minds..with just this one last paragraph from a little google: Using algorithms to decode mental images isn’t new. Since 2011, researchers have recreated movie clips, photos, and even dream imagery by matching brain activity to activity recorded earlier when viewing images. But these methods all have their limits: Some deal only with narrow domains like face shape, and others can’t build an image from scratch—instead, they must select from preprogrammed images or categories like “person” or “bird.” This new work can generate recognizable images on the fly and even reproduce shapes that are not seen, but imagined. | |||
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"Thank you everyone that commented. A very mixed bag of responses. I actually watched the program when Derren Brown did actually expose mediums and also the lottery one when he predicted the numbers. The 1st guy who did my reading kept going on about a huge clock and an open fire. Didn’t get it until this morning when I walking into the kitchen and noticed a huge clock above the open fire place in the kitchen. Then again, I was wearing a t jacket lastnight so he might of thought I was a country bumpkin, who had an aga and a fireplace in the kitchen. Very intriguing! " I think some people can pick memory up from others somehow. | |||
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"Thank you everyone that commented. A very mixed bag of responses. I actually watched the program when Derren Brown did actually expose mediums and also the lottery one when he predicted the numbers. The 1st guy who did my reading kept going on about a huge clock and an open fire. Didn’t get it until this morning when I walking into the kitchen and noticed a huge clock above the open fire place in the kitchen. Then again, I was wearing a t jacket lastnight so he might of thought I was a country bumpkin, who had an aga and a fireplace in the kitchen. Very intriguing! " have you any pictures on social media that might have pictures of this clock? I can go onto the energysavingstrust website and look at your energy performance certificate if you have one..its as simple as inputting a postcode.. it tells me your house type,fuel used. It is all publicly available info in most cases. just really putting a few ideas out there though...you really have to think quite deeply how easy it can be for people to get lots of information directly or indirectly. | |||
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"I have a private facebook, but I did look lastnight to see if I had pics of that on my page and no I haven’t. I will chalk it up with one of life’s great mysteries. " well if you're happy enough, fair enough..I'd just detest my nieces and nephews being scammed if they ever wanted such a thing...so much info can be so easily gleamed. | |||
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"I’ll believe what I want to believe not what some guy in a dodgy pair of undies tells me to believe. You have no idea what I have seen first hand or witnessed with my own eyes yet you know for a fact that it’s bull shit. I feel sorry for you people with closed minds. I’d never tell anybody that they’re talking shit unless I was there and could say for certain it didn’t happen. I believe in things if there's evidence for them I don't believe in things if there's evidence against them. If that makes me closed minded then I wear it with a badge of pride
So where’s the evidence that ghosts and spirits don’t exist. I’m not aware that anybody has claimed to have proved they don’t just as nobody has proved they do.
You can't prove a negative. The laws of thermodynamics are accepted as scientific fact. Ghosts would violate thermodynamics.
That's good enough for me.
Not all that long ago it was scientific fact that the Earth was flat. Some arseholes still think it is. Are you one of them?
nobody has thought the earth was flat for a very very very very long time..and I'm talking ancient greek times. This christopher columbus story has been well disproven. ancient people know the world is round...they just had no clue how big it was...
now...there are people now believing a deception of a global scale now on the shape of the earth though lol
even the bible never said it was flat(as some claim..but that's entirely false also)
In terms of time, Ancient Greece wasn’t all that long ago, that’s what I was getting at. In a few thousand years people could be saying “many years ago they didn’t believe in ghosts, how stupid were they”. Who knows. I can’t say they’re real, I can just go off my own personal experiences, but then you can’t say they’re not real. You can just give your opinion. Neither has any more credibility than the other." | |||
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"I believe some psychics are real, but the fakes far outweigh the genuine ones. I could practice psychometry as a child long before I knew it had a name. I thought everyone could do it. Stopped it when I realised it was a psychic ability. Not sure if I still can do it tbh. I've seen ghosts, had premonition dreams, usually when a death is imminent (still do at times) I can read people well, and have told people stuff about themselves. So yes, I believe psychic ability is there for a select few. but not one has ever demonstrated it..ever...people have been routinely offered £1m or more cash if they can prove supernatural abilities...now in a world of quite a few billion that claim miracles are real aka jesus...surely these are odds that just cannot hold anything real... as I say...even looking into the scientific realms of multiple universes etc..nothing appears to have any resemblance to supernatural events." I don't care the whys and wherefors, and could not give a hoot who has been offered what for whatever, and not going to try and justify the reasons for refusal to prove. The above is just my experiences, something that conventional science can't explain. | |||
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".....The 1st guy who did my reading kept going on about a huge clock and an open fire...... " I imagine that most families will have lived in a house or still live in a house with an open fire and a big clock. So he suggests it and you match it to your life. Like as not when it clicks you smile or five some other signal and the 'psychic' knows that they are on to something. Same as astrology. Keep it general and a bit vague and bob's your uncle. That's very basic stuff, I'm sure that after doing it for a while someone would either be rubbish at it and give up or get better. I suspect some don't even realise what they are doing and honestly believe that they have some special 'gift' but there's simply no repeatable evidence for it. If it's not repeatable then it's no use, there's no way to tell if it was a fluke or random noise or learn from it. If you're curious and make the effort to visit a psychic why not try testing then. For example put a randomly selected playing card in an envelope, take it with you and ask them what's in the envelope. I imagine most will be greatly offended that your testing them and that psychic powers 'don't work like that' except of course when they do. ... but what other professional would respond like that? Maybe it would be better to ask questions, for example if they are 'talking' with your dead relative ask what date they died, their phone number (this is pleasing me), what date they were married, do go for specifics but ones that won't correlate with their age, gender etc. Their favourite TV programme, color of the living room or model of car are probably fairly predictable based on age and sex, I did just ponder 'worst holiday' but that would clearly be either camping or food poisoning and the location is also probably fairly easy to guess at based on an age and income. I'm starting to think I should get into the business :D Mike xx | |||
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".... perhaps it's connected with that old phrase about only a small percentage of the brain currently being used ....." This is nonsense that won't die! Science had a pretty good idea of what most of the brain does and has never suggested that 90% is sitting there doing nothing or something mystical. Evolution would have got rid of it ages ago if it wasn't doing something useful like keeping the owner alive as it consumes a ridiculous amount of energy. I'm pretty sure Wikipedia has something to say on this matter. | |||
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"I've never seen a psychic or anything similar, and am naturally cynical and sceptical about things like that but do believe there is *something* that *some* people are able to tap into - what that *something* is I have no idea - perhaps it's connected with that old phrase about only a small percentage of the brain currently being used and maybe those with the "gift" have a way of delving into parts of it most of us can't. I remain cynical, but open minded enough to know that some of the responses of this thread show that there are some who go beyond the con artists and charlatans that are out to part vulnerable people who *want* to believe from their money." I haven't read the whole thread but I agree with Gemini. Except I don't put it down to not using all our brain but rather tuning into a deeper knowledge beyond us. There will be people, and there are some on this thread, who are heavily invested in a "this is all there is" materialist, perhaps atheist, mindset. They quite rightly seek to expose the charlatans and devise ways in which it could be faked. The fundamental flaw in their dogmatic insistence that this sort of oddity can *never* be true, that it must *always* be faked, is that their own "this is all there is" materialist atheist outlook is deeply intellectually compromised and fails to account for a large amount of what our reality is. It is, in essence, just another red herring. When I was part of a weird meditation group in the US our guru glowed gold. To the materialists this *must* have been a trick. I was drugged, hypnotised, in some way deluded. It *cannot* have been an actual act. The guy *can't* have *actually* glowed gold. What motivates this certainty on an event they didn't witness? Either an emotional need or a total conviction in the materialist atheist mindset which results in an unwillingness to stress test that mindset and ask difficult questions of it. Either points of view undermine the neutral even handed critical thinking that credible rational enquiry into the world demands. Something is going on in *some* cases. I don't know what it is. But I am willing to allow it the space to exist and be open to it rather than shut it down and deny it based solely on dogma and/or the emotional need for it not to exist | |||
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".... perhaps it's connected with that old phrase about only a small percentage of the brain currently being used ..... This is nonsense that won't die! Science had a pretty good idea of what most of the brain does and has never suggested that 90% is sitting there doing nothing or something mystical. Evolution would have got rid of it ages ago if it wasn't doing something useful like keeping the owner alive as it consumes a ridiculous amount of energy. I'm pretty sure Wikipedia has something to say on this matter." Some people are most definitely more in tune with their senses than others. Maybe they are utilising certain areas of the brain that most of us don’t use. The theory that this is total rubbish is, in my opinion, just that. Total rubbish. If that theory were true how do you explain gut feelings and instinct that some of us feel in Fab about meeting certain people? Sometimes a little nagging sixth sense will tell us that the person isn’t quite right, yet we often can’t pinpoint anything in particular that the person has said or done that makes us feel this way | |||
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"Just been to a phychic supper and had 2 readings. Was hoping my brother that passed in June would come through but he didn’t. I was told it’s not enough time since he passed to come to me. The readings I had were pretty prescise but I’ve come home thinking WTF! If these people are fakes how do they know so much information. " They know nothing. The participants tell them everything via 'cold reading' techniques. People on the whole take from it what they wanted to. If that's some comfort fair enough. | |||
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".... perhaps it's connected with that old phrase about only a small percentage of the brain currently being used ..... This is nonsense that won't die! Science had a pretty good idea of what most of the brain does and has never suggested that 90% is sitting there doing nothing or something mystical. Evolution would have got rid of it ages ago if it wasn't doing something useful like keeping the owner alive as it consumes a ridiculous amount of energy. I'm pretty sure Wikipedia has something to say on this matter. Some people are most definitely more in tune with their senses than others. Maybe they are utilising certain areas of the brain that most of us don’t use. The theory that this is total rubbish is, in my opinion, just that. Total rubbish. If that theory were true how do you explain gut feelings and instinct that some of us feel in Fab about meeting certain people? Sometimes a little nagging sixth sense will tell us that the person isn’t quite right, yet we often can’t pinpoint anything in particular that the person has said or done that makes us feel this way" I think we fail to trust our abilities. That gut feeling is a consequence of picking up through one of our five senses, something that rings alarm bells. A certain look, a type of body language, the way a message is constructed etc. Conning people is easy for some because, greed, desire, loneliness etc are such strong feelings that they override the signals our other senses pick up on and the con artists play in to that. | |||
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".....The 1st guy who did my reading kept going on about a huge clock and an open fire...... I imagine that most families will have lived in a house or still live in a house with an open fire and a big clock. So he suggests it and you match it to your life. Like as not when it clicks you smile or five some other signal and the 'psychic' knows that they are on to something. Same as astrology. Keep it general and a bit vague and bob's your uncle. That's very basic stuff, I'm sure that after doing it for a while someone would either be rubbish at it and give up or get better. I suspect some don't even realise what they are doing and honestly believe that they have some special 'gift' but there's simply no repeatable evidence for it. If it's not repeatable then it's no use, there's no way to tell if it was a fluke or random noise or learn from it. If you're curious and make the effort to visit a psychic why not try testing then. For example put a randomly selected playing card in an envelope, take it with you and ask them what's in the envelope. I imagine most will be greatly offended that your testing them and that psychic powers 'don't work like that' except of course when they do. ... but what other professional would respond like that? Maybe it would be better to ask questions, for example if they are 'talking' with your dead relative ask what date they died, their phone number (this is pleasing me), what date they were married, do go for specifics but ones that won't correlate with their age, gender etc. Their favourite TV programme, color of the living room or model of car are probably fairly predictable based on age and sex, I did just ponder 'worst holiday' but that would clearly be either camping or food poisoning and the location is also probably fairly easy to guess at based on an age and income. I'm starting to think I should get into the business :D Mike xx" You can do my next reading Mike
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".... If that theory were true how do you explain gut feelings and instinct that some of us feel in Fab about meeting certain people?......" Your brain doing what it evolved to do (I subscribe to the theory of evolution) and making a decision based on limited data. I believe that it's generally thought that to sint extent that's what works are for as well. We rarely have enough good information for our choices so nature provided us with a quick and dirty way of coming to a conclusion. To be fair the term 'gut feeling' isn't too far off, the brain doesn't exist in splendid isolation, it gets lots of chemical feedback from the body which affects it's functioning. I believe that the gut microbiome is being linked with all kinds of interesting mental states including depression and Parkinsons disease. Physics, biology etc can't explain everything, especial where the universe came from and how the brain works but there are known limits. To argue that because we don't know exactly what's going on means that any old theory is valid is sadly wrong. See the discussion of thermodynamics. Also there's Ocam's razor: the simplest explication is often the right one. So far as I can see psychical phenomenon often invoke weird and complicated explanations for events that have a relatively simple explanation using conventional science. Especially the afterlife. That's a whole additional realm of existence for which there's no good evidence, just so we don't have to confront our own mortality. Also. .... our minds are not reliable recording machines. It's well known (to those that follow psychology) that our minds are constantly making stuff up and lying to our consciousness about it. Stuff as simple as patching in visual information whenever we blink or our eyes move. In both cases studies have shown that the mind inserts a 'best guess' add to what should be there while information from the real world isn't available. Our eyes have few colour receptors in the periphery so any apparent colour toy see out of the corner if your eyes is made up by the brain based on what it's already seen. It's amazing, sophisticated and massively disingenuous. For those that wonder what our brains are doing, a good post of it is running the conscious self and then madding up half the world so we can function in it. The best VR is already in your head. Why any one would want more weirdness is beyond me, reality as science sees it is freaky enough :D Mike xx | |||
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"I'm a believer
Then I saw her face, now I'm a believer
Not a trace, of doubt in my mind
I'm in love, and I'm a believer
I couldn't leave her if I tried....
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" You can do my next reading Mike
Also, what are next weeks lotto number please? "I'll need a sacrifice and entails for a reading
The lottery numbers will be 1,2,3,...,n where n is the number of numbers needed. Sadly the spirits didn't tell me which week 
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"Proof for me would be there would be no such concept as an unsolved murder There would be no surprise terrorist attacks Yet the largest suggested proof on this thread so far Are She thought I was adopted and I mis read her guess to mean the mother I had nothing to do with really loves me And The tv remote was down the side of the sofa Seriously they are all petty game players If there was any credible basis for belief the evidence would be vastly different I usually visit two or three a year on recommendation. So far not one has revealed anything about me Aw don't the spirits talk when a non believer is present ? How very convenient Also why on earth do those who are convinced actually do experiments , put them to the test Aw don't the spirits talk when put to the test ? Here's the thing Sometimes you have been cold read , no harm done an intelligent deduction However sometimes they know Now knowing it's not a dead spirit talking , how disgusting is the fact they know such hidden things What have they had to do to find out And how manipulative to pretend they are talking to a dead relative For those who believe , do you ? Really really ? Test them and find out I doubt anyone would as it truly would bust the bubble of suspended disbelief x I'll take the Pepsi challenge for any one of alleged genuine readers Just give the name and contact and I'll test them without their knowledge, which me course would be a test in itself Can't believe so many people are content to leave it that Auntie mable randomly tells some humans my most intimate things Without a few more questions It is a nasty fact that researchers visit homes, that pockets are picked that phones are hacked , and a fair few other techniques I don't know but many a magician does ! " I'll add my own challenge. Name any psychic in the London area who you think is genuine. I will go and see them and ask them five questions we agree between us. If they get three right I pay you an agreed sum. If they don't you pay the psychics fee. Anyone up for it, pm me.
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"Proof for me would be there would be no such concept as an unsolved murder There would be no surprise terrorist attacks Yet the largest suggested proof on this thread so far Are She thought I was adopted and I mis read her guess to mean the mother I had nothing to do with really loves me And The tv remote was down the side of the sofa Seriously they are all petty game players If there was any credible basis for belief the evidence would be vastly different I usually visit two or three a year on recommendation. So far not one has revealed anything about me Aw don't the spirits talk when a non believer is present ? How very convenient Also why on earth do those who are convinced actually do experiments , put them to the test Aw don't the spirits talk when put to the test ? Here's the thing Sometimes you have been cold read , no harm done an intelligent deduction However sometimes they know Now knowing it's not a dead spirit talking , how disgusting is the fact they know such hidden things What have they had to do to find out And how manipulative to pretend they are talking to a dead relative For those who believe , do you ? Really really ? Test them and find out I doubt anyone would as it truly would bust the bubble of suspended disbelief x I'll take the Pepsi challenge for any one of alleged genuine readers Just give the name and contact and I'll test them without their knowledge, which me course would be a test in itself Can't believe so many people are content to leave it that Auntie mable randomly tells some humans my most intimate things Without a few more questions It is a nasty fact that researchers visit homes, that pockets are picked that phones are hacked , and a fair few other techniques I don't know but many a magician does ! I'll add my own challenge. Name any psychic in the London area who you think is genuine. I will go and see them and ask them five questions we agree between us. If they get three right I pay you an agreed sum. If they don't you pay the psychics fee. Anyone up for it, pm me.
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"I guess you could say that I do believe in it. However, my perspective on this is from a scientific perspective. I could go into great detail in relation to this but to simplify it I believe there's more than one plane on which many forms of life can live in one location but go unseen to one another due to factors such as the malleability of time and matter itself. Essentially I think of it like a frequency. If you tune into one radio station you have clarity so long as you're one the correct frequency, you switch to another and you get the same result. Now when you tune in between the two frequencies you get static but you can also listen to both at the same time. We are always taught that if something is outside our realms of possibility then it's 'your mind playing tricks on you' or something of the likes. Now it has been proven that there's a small volume of the body that disappears upon death but cannot be accounted for through our current understanding. Also the brain itself is still rather undiscovered in relative terms. We can walk into a room and sense an atmosphere through our subconscious picking up on chemicals in the air. Much like an ants form of communication. Other animals know when a female is ready to mate through pheromones. Most animals have this ability there's no doubt in my mind we have a lot of things we are yet to discover about our own potential. " the whole souls thing was early last century, it appeared to work on 6 or so patients..other doctors agreed on the findings...then he tried it on dogs..and concluded they had no souls..........anyway, he then went onto photographing the escaping souls of other patients..which never yielded any results..... its a bit hit n myth to be honest....much like that 10% of the brain used one... So its an old experiment and I cant see anyone else having replicated it in over a hundred years...hardly scientific, especially with modern day technology now and no results. | |||
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".... Now it has been proven that there's a small volume of the body that disappears upon death but cannot be accounted for through our current understanding. ..... " 21 grammes I believe. There's a Brazilian film with that title because of the idea. However people have weighted bodies before and after death and in fact there was no 'mysterious' weight loss to be found. I dare say that there are many pages on the internet claiming otherwise but there is a lot of tosh on the internet. :D Mike xx | |||
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".... Now it has been proven that there's a small volume of the body that disappears upon death but cannot be accounted for through our current understanding. ..... 21 grammes I believe. There's a Brazilian film with that title because of the idea. However people have weighted bodies before and after death and in fact there was no 'mysterious' weight loss to be found. I dare say that there are many pages on the internet claiming otherwise but there is a lot of tosh on the internet. :D Mike xx" as above lol.. this is an unfortunate side of science and cherry picking that some do(I dont believe the owner of the statement meant it of course)...but give any story some scientific premise, you really have to research it, plus as it is a almost an age old myth..it could be spread as a truth now..giving people that hope that things do go on even after death etc..or some stories where psychics helped police in murders etc etc | |||
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"....I guess you could say that I do believe in it. However, my perspective on this is from a scientific perspective....." Science uses the twin pillars of empirical evidence and reproducibility. Using scientific words isn't enough on its own to make something scientific. While it's possible to be cross with science for requiring scientific methodology it's to miss the point of science. Without the method you have madness, or at least fantasy. I think you only have to look at the ~7000 years of blind faith versus the ~200 years of the formal scientific method to notice a difference in results. Mike xx | |||
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"the whole souls thing was early last century, it appeared to work on 6 or so patients..other doctors agreed on the findings...then he tried it on dogs..and concluded they had no souls..........anyway, he then went onto photographing the escaping souls of other patients..which never yielded any results....." My brain has claimed to remember some more about it now that you've given it a stir. It was ages ago, maybe the 19th century? I don't think the enormous and crude balance that was used was capable of the accuracy needed for about an ounce (as was) and if it was only 6 people I imagine the error bars would have been big enough to show the bodies gaining mass at death
I'm pretty sure it's been repeated with more modern equipment and nothing was found.
All kneel before the alter of mighty science! lol
It is my hobby horse, apologies for the long winded posts.
Has anyone noticed how we're all partaking of the fruits of scientific endeavour for this discussion and not using telepathy? I am right about that? I suppose my brain might be misleading me Matrix stye..... dammit bob, where are my pills?
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"the whole souls thing was early last century, it appeared to work on 6 or so patients..other doctors agreed on the findings...then he tried it on dogs..and concluded they had no souls..........anyway, he then went onto photographing the escaping souls of other patients..which never yielded any results..... My brain has claimed to remember some more about it now that you've given it a stir. It was ages ago, maybe the 19th century? I don't think the enormous and crude balance that was used was capable of the accuracy needed for about an ounce (as was) and if it was only 6 people I imagine the error bars would have been big enough to show the bodies gaining mass at death
I'm pretty sure it's been repeated with more modern equipment and nothing was found.
All kneel before the alter of mighty science! lol
It is my hobby horse, apologies for the long winded posts.
Has anyone noticed how we're all partaking of the fruits of scientific endeavour for this discussion and not using telepathy? I am right about that? I suppose my brain might be misleading me Matrix stye..... dammit bob, where are my pills?
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".... perhaps it's connected with that old phrase about only a small percentage of the brain currently being used ..... This is nonsense that won't die! Science had a pretty good idea of what most of the brain does and has never suggested that 90% is sitting there doing nothing or something mystical. Evolution would have got rid of it ages ago if it wasn't doing something useful like keeping the owner alive as it consumes a ridiculous amount of energy. I'm pretty sure Wikipedia has something to say on this matter." That's why I used the word "perhaps" to pretext my sentence, and made it clear in my wider post that I remain cynical but open minded - the fact of the matter is we don't KNOW beyond reasonable doubt in some cases, you yourselves stating "Science had a pretty good idea of what most of the brain does" backs that up by using the word "most" which means "not all". So whilst there are still unexplained and unexplainable phenomena I'll remain an open minded cynic
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"The one thing that did puzzle me was he claimed there were no evil spirits and this was made up by the church to frighten us. Apparently we only encounter good spirits. Anyway, still sitting on the fence with this one "A lot of things were made up by the church to frighten us but humans have always been afraid of "evil". | |||
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"....I guess you could say that I do believe in it. However, my perspective on this is from a scientific perspective..... Science uses the twin pillars of empirical evidence and reproducibility. Using scientific words isn't enough on its own to make something scientific. While it's possible to be cross with science for requiring scientific methodology it's to miss the point of science. Without the method you have madness, or at least fantasy. I think you only have to look at the ~7000 years of blind faith versus the ~200 years of the formal scientific method to notice a difference in results. Mike xx" disprove the concept of dark matter to me and explain why there are galaxies that defy the laws of physics. We live in a universe that can bend light, where wormholes can take entire systems and send them into the unknown essentially. But the concept of a person having a soul and taking a new form or that soul having a secondary purpose in the universe is unfathomable? Formal scientific methods haven't proved dark matter as of yet. Equally it can't provide any answers as to why things can behave outside our grasp of physics. Where does that leave us? Surely it is blind faith that there's a scientific reason behind these physic defying instances. | |||
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"....I guess you could say that I do believe in it. However, my perspective on this is from a scientific perspective..... Science uses the twin pillars of empirical evidence and reproducibility. Using scientific words isn't enough on its own to make something scientific. While it's possible to be cross with science for requiring scientific methodology it's to miss the point of science. Without the method you have madness, or at least fantasy. I think you only have to look at the ~7000 years of blind faith versus the ~200 years of the formal scientific method to notice a difference in results. Mike xx disprove the concept of dark matter to me and explain why there are galaxies that defy the laws of physics. We live in a universe that can bend light, where wormholes can take entire systems and send them into the unknown essentially. But the concept of a person having a soul and taking a new form or that soul having a secondary purpose in the universe is unfathomable? Formal scientific methods haven't proved dark matter as of yet. Equally it can't provide any answers as to why things can behave outside our grasp of physics. Where does that leave us? Surely it is blind faith that there's a scientific reason behind these physic defying instances. " The problem, as I say above, is that ever since the dawn of history, there have been literally millions of claims by people that they have communicated with the souls of the dead. If any of those claims were true, it would now be possible to prove them to be true in the same way that one can now prove it is possible to instantly communicate with someone thousands of miles away. The fact that one of these millions of claims have ever been scientifically confirmed makes it highly likely that souls that survive death and communicate with the living do not exist. | |||
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"....I guess you could say that I do believe in it. However, my perspective on this is from a scientific perspective..... Science uses the twin pillars of empirical evidence and reproducibility. Using scientific words isn't enough on its own to make something scientific. While it's possible to be cross with science for requiring scientific methodology it's to miss the point of science. Without the method you have madness, or at least fantasy. I think you only have to look at the ~7000 years of blind faith versus the ~200 years of the formal scientific method to notice a difference in results. Mike xx disprove the concept of dark matter to me and explain why there are galaxies that defy the laws of physics. We live in a universe that can bend light, where wormholes can take entire systems and send them into the unknown essentially. But the concept of a person having a soul and taking a new form or that soul having a secondary purpose in the universe is unfathomable? Formal scientific methods haven't proved dark matter as of yet. Equally it can't provide any answers as to why things can behave outside our grasp of physics. Where does that leave us? Surely it is blind faith that there's a scientific reason behind these physic defying instances. The problem, as I say above, is that ever since the dawn of history, there have been literally millions of claims by people that they have communicated with the souls of the dead. If any of those claims were true, it would now be possible to prove them to be true in the same way that one can now prove it is possible to instantly communicate with someone thousands of miles away. The fact that one of these millions of claims have ever been scientifically confirmed makes it highly likely that souls that survive death and communicate with the living do not exist. " It's a bit different. You're relating a mobile phone to an interdimensional form of contact. To which the technology isn't available | |||
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"....I guess you could say that I do believe in it. However, my perspective on this is from a scientific perspective..... Science uses the twin pillars of empirical evidence and reproducibility. Using scientific words isn't enough on its own to make something scientific. While it's possible to be cross with science for requiring scientific methodology it's to miss the point of science. Without the method you have madness, or at least fantasy. I think you only have to look at the ~7000 years of blind faith versus the ~200 years of the formal scientific method to notice a difference in results. Mike xx disprove the concept of dark matter to me and explain why there are galaxies that defy the laws of physics. We live in a universe that can bend light, where wormholes can take entire systems and send them into the unknown essentially. But the concept of a person having a soul and taking a new form or that soul having a secondary purpose in the universe is unfathomable? Formal scientific methods haven't proved dark matter as of yet. Equally it can't provide any answers as to why things can behave outside our grasp of physics. Where does that leave us? Surely it is blind faith that there's a scientific reason behind these physic defying instances. The problem, as I say above, is that ever since the dawn of history, there have been literally millions of claims by people that they have communicated with the souls of the dead. If any of those claims were true, it would now be possible to prove them to be true in the same way that one can now prove it is possible to instantly communicate with someone thousands of miles away. The fact that one of these millions of claims have ever been scientifically confirmed makes it highly likely that souls that survive death and communicate with the living do not exist. It's a bit different. You're relating a mobile phone to an interdimensional form of contact. To which the technology isn't available " I hear Apple are working on that. | |||
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"....I guess you could say that I do believe in it. However, my perspective on this is from a scientific perspective..... Science uses the twin pillars of empirical evidence and reproducibility. Using scientific words isn't enough on its own to make something scientific. While it's possible to be cross with science for requiring scientific methodology it's to miss the point of science. Without the method you have madness, or at least fantasy. I think you only have to look at the ~7000 years of blind faith versus the ~200 years of the formal scientific method to notice a difference in results. Mike xx disprove the concept of dark matter to me and explain why there are galaxies that defy the laws of physics. We live in a universe that can bend light, where wormholes can take entire systems and send them into the unknown essentially. But the concept of a person having a soul and taking a new form or that soul having a secondary purpose in the universe is unfathomable? Formal scientific methods haven't proved dark matter as of yet. Equally it can't provide any answers as to why things can behave outside our grasp of physics. Where does that leave us? Surely it is blind faith that there's a scientific reason behind these physic defying instances. The problem, as I say above, is that ever since the dawn of history, there have been literally millions of claims by people that they have communicated with the souls of the dead. If any of those claims were true, it would now be possible to prove them to be true in the same way that one can now prove it is possible to instantly communicate with someone thousands of miles away. The fact that one of these millions of claims have ever been scientifically confirmed makes it highly likely that souls that survive death and communicate with the living do not exist. It's a bit different. You're relating a mobile phone to an interdimensional form of contact. To which the technology isn't available " People who say they can communicate with the souls of the dead are making an empirical claim in the same way that someone who is in London is making an empirical claim when they say they can communicate instantly with someone in Australia. The latter is amenable to scientific testing and I can't see any reason why the former isn't. | |||
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"....I guess you could say that I do believe in it. However, my perspective on this is from a scientific perspective..... Science uses the twin pillars of empirical evidence and reproducibility. Using scientific words isn't enough on its own to make something scientific. While it's possible to be cross with science for requiring scientific methodology it's to miss the point of science. Without the method you have madness, or at least fantasy. I think you only have to look at the ~7000 years of blind faith versus the ~200 years of the formal scientific method to notice a difference in results. Mike xx disprove the concept of dark matter to me and explain why there are galaxies that defy the laws of physics. We live in a universe that can bend light, where wormholes can take entire systems and send them into the unknown essentially. But the concept of a person having a soul and taking a new form or that soul having a secondary purpose in the universe is unfathomable? Formal scientific methods haven't proved dark matter as of yet. Equally it can't provide any answers as to why things can behave outside our grasp of physics. Where does that leave us? Surely it is blind faith that there's a scientific reason behind these physic defying instances. The problem, as I say above, is that ever since the dawn of history, there have been literally millions of claims by people that they have communicated with the souls of the dead. If any of those claims were true, it would now be possible to prove them to be true in the same way that one can now prove it is possible to instantly communicate with someone thousands of miles away. The fact that one of these millions of claims have ever been scientifically confirmed makes it highly likely that souls that survive death and communicate with the living do not exist. It's a bit different. You're relating a mobile phone to an interdimensional form of contact. To which the technology isn't available People who say they can communicate with the souls of the dead are making an empirical claim in the same way that someone who is in London is making an empirical claim when they say they can communicate instantly with someone in Australia. The latter is amenable to scientific testing and I can't see any reason why the former isn't. " I think revelatory knowledge is a very different and unreliable beast compared to human reason. It is often either completely wrong, utterly misinterpreted, or just surreal and opaque. I also don't know how much it applies to anything beyond the personal. The reason for this is because it doesn't come from us. It is as if the brain is a radio that we've used to tune out of the usual radio stations and into some obscure foreign encoded stream of specialist information. We pick up snippets. All this might sound like a cop out. But it's basically a core part of what it is. I think some "psychics" start off with a talent for tuning into this weird other signal. But then lose it and essentially start bluffing it to try and cover their loss of signal. I think this other signal is exactly the same as intuition, inspiration, divining, sensing, and mystical experiences. I'm probably quite receptive as I've had many "psychic" type experiences. I was also a natural when I did a divining class. Hence why I think it's all the same thing; tuning into another source of knowledge. It largely comes down to hearing that inner intuitive voice. But what it comes back with can sometimes be very odd. | |||
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"....I guess you could say that I do believe in it. However, my perspective on this is from a scientific perspective..... Science uses the twin pillars of empirical evidence and reproducibility. Using scientific words isn't enough on its own to make something scientific. While it's possible to be cross with science for requiring scientific methodology it's to miss the point of science. Without the method you have madness, or at least fantasy. I think you only have to look at the ~7000 years of blind faith versus the ~200 years of the formal scientific method to notice a difference in results. Mike xx disprove the concept of dark matter to me and explain why there are galaxies that defy the laws of physics. We live in a universe that can bend light, where wormholes can take entire systems and send them into the unknown essentially. But the concept of a person having a soul and taking a new form or that soul having a secondary purpose in the universe is unfathomable? Formal scientific methods haven't proved dark matter as of yet. Equally it can't provide any answers as to why things can behave outside our grasp of physics. Where does that leave us? Surely it is blind faith that there's a scientific reason behind these physic defying instances. The problem, as I say above, is that ever since the dawn of history, there have been literally millions of claims by people that they have communicated with the souls of the dead. If any of those claims were true, it would now be possible to prove them to be true in the same way that one can now prove it is possible to instantly communicate with someone thousands of miles away. The fact that one of these millions of claims have ever been scientifically confirmed makes it highly likely that souls that survive death and communicate with the living do not exist. It's a bit different. You're relating a mobile phone to an interdimensional form of contact. To which the technology isn't available People who say they can communicate with the souls of the dead are making an empirical claim in the same way that someone who is in London is making an empirical claim when they say they can communicate instantly with someone in Australia. The latter is amenable to scientific testing and I can't see any reason why the former isn't. I think revelatory knowledge is a very different and unreliable beast compared to human reason. It is often either completely wrong, utterly misinterpreted, or just surreal and opaque. I also don't know how much it applies to anything beyond the personal. The reason for this is because it doesn't come from us. It is as if the brain is a radio that we've used to tune out of the usual radio stations and into some obscure foreign encoded stream of specialist information. We pick up snippets. All this might sound like a cop out. But it's basically a core part of what it is. I think some "psychics" start off with a talent for tuning into this weird other signal. But then lose it and essentially start bluffing it to try and cover their loss of signal. I think this other signal is exactly the same as intuition, inspiration, divining, sensing, and mystical experiences. I'm probably quite receptive as I've had many "psychic" type experiences. I was also a natural when I did a divining class. Hence why I think it's all the same thing; tuning into another source of knowledge. It largely comes down to hearing that inner intuitive voice. But what it comes back with can sometimes be very odd." People can and do have all sorts of thoughts in their heads, but if you say "I am communicating with your uncle Harold who died in 2010", you are just as much making a claim about external reality as someone who says. "I am talking to your very much alive Australian aunt freda on the phone". The phone claim can easily be demonstrated as true, the communication with the dead claim has never been demonstrated as true despite the very many people who have claimed to do it. Hence it's very likely such communication is not possible.  | |||
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