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"When men can't be dinner ladies?" Maybe they can be dinner gents?  | |||
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"When men can't be dinner ladies? Maybe they can be dinner gents? "We had a dinner lady called Trevor in school. What a legend. | |||
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"When men can't be dinner ladies? Maybe they can be dinner gents? "And why are they never "lunch ladies"? | |||
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"When men can't be dinner ladies? Maybe they can be dinner gents?
We had a dinner lady called Trevor in school. What a legend."Hahaha. I laughed too much at this | |||
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"When men can't be dinner ladies? Maybe they can be dinner gents?
And why are they never "lunch ladies"?"Are they not now called lunch technicians x | |||
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"Doubt many will pass selection though." Because kids would rather have dinner ladies? Less predatory? | |||
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"Doubt many will pass selection though." You’ll be surprised... | |||
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"If they can pass the same selection, fine. The other issues (real though they are) can be worked around. Trouble is we all know it won't be the same selection..." I guess that'd make them reach higher shelves. | |||
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"Doubt many will pass selection though." This. Put them through their paces and let the outcome decide x | |||
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"When men can't be dinner ladies? " I know a chap who's a "lunchtime helper" (the PC version of dinner lady) | |||
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"Doubt many will pass selection though. Because kids would rather have dinner ladies? Less predatory?" Fuck sake hahaha x | |||
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"Doubt many will pass selection though." Really? Although very physical a lot of it is psychological and you never know woman could be better  | |||
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"If they can pass the same selection, fine. The other issues (real though they are) can be worked around. Trouble is we all know it won't be the same selection..." Surely it has to be though or could be a liability to their team. | |||
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"When men can't be dinner ladies? I know a chap who's a "lunchtime helper" (the PC version of dinner lady) "Has he no shame?! | |||
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"When men can't be dinner ladies? Maybe they can be dinner gents?
And why are they never "lunch ladies"?"Because lunch doesn't exist | |||
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"Doubt many will pass selection though. Because kids would rather have dinner ladies? Less predatory? Fuck sake hahaha x" Well! I dunno why people are going on about women joining the frontline special forces, this is a thread about sexual discrimination in the dining hall. | |||
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"If they can pass the same selection, fine. The other issues (real though they are) can be worked around. Trouble is we all know it won't be the same selection..." Erm.... I think you will find it’s not the same selection as it was in the 60’s, 70’s, 80’s or 90’s... or 10’s Because it’s constantly changing and evolving. An I’m sure the selection and training team will keep it seriously difficult, and carry on turning out soldiers to the same high standard. Because that’s what they do. And they do it really really really well.  | |||
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"When men can't be dinner ladies? Maybe they can be dinner gents?
And why are they never "lunch ladies"?
Because lunch doesn't exist "Are you one of those breakfast, dinner, tea people? | |||
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"Does anyone really think it's likely that the test requirements will stay the same if not enough women are passing the selection process?" Yeah. Because they haven’t let standards drop on anything in the past. They have beefed up numbers for some operations and wars with other ‘good’ units though, and got them up to standard for those taskings like they did with the guards independent parachute company in Borneo. Like they used COP platoons as support in ulster from time to time. Like they used paras in Sierra Leone. | |||
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"Does anyone really think it's likely that the test requirements will stay the same if not enough women are passing the selection process? Yeah. Because they haven’t let standards drop on anything in the past. They have beefed up numbers for some operations and wars with other ‘good’ units though, and got them up to standard for those taskings like they did with the guards independent parachute company in Borneo. Like they used COP platoons as support in ulster from time to time. Like they used paras in Sierra Leone. " Have they ever had women recruits before? | |||
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"Doubt many will pass selection though. Because kids would rather have dinner ladies? Less predatory? Fuck sake hahaha x Well! I dunno why people are going on about women joining the frontline special forces, this is a thread about sexual discrimination in the dining hall. " Obviously the S.A.S is a lot more interesting x | |||
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"I'm a bit sexist when it comes to this... A female sniper yes? But hand to hand combat on the ground... No... No doubt I'll get hammered now... " Hand to hand combat is a bit of a myth when everyone’s tooled up. It’s more likely amongst the common troggery of the infantry, marines and Paras and those lovely lads from the brigade of guards. You know when they stick bayonetes in folks. | |||
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"Doubt many will pass selection though. Because kids would rather have dinner ladies? Less predatory? Fuck sake hahaha x Well! I dunno why people are going on about women joining the frontline special forces, this is a thread about sexual discrimination in the dining hall. Obviously the S.A.S is a lot more interesting x" It lets the guys wave their willys about 'cos knowing all about selection commands respect! | |||
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"If they can pass the same selection, fine. The other issues (real though they are) can be worked around. Trouble is we all know it won't be the same selection... Erm.... I think you will find it’s not the same selection as it was in the 60’s, 70’s, 80’s or 90’s... or 10’s Because it’s constantly changing and evolving. An I’m sure the selection and training team will keep it seriously difficult, and carry on turning out soldiers to the same high standard. Because that’s what they do. And they do it really really really well. "I'm sure the test evolves. That's not really the point being made is it? The point being made is that if they are to join then the test should be the same as the men joining at the same time. Otherwise it's just discrimination, plain and simple | |||
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"Does anyone really think it's likely that the test requirements will stay the same if not enough women are passing the selection process? Yeah. Because they haven’t let standards drop on anything in the past. They have beefed up numbers for some operations and wars with other ‘good’ units though, and got them up to standard for those taskings like they did with the guards independent parachute company in Borneo. Like they used COP platoons as support in ulster from time to time. Like they used paras in Sierra Leone. Have they ever had women recruits before?" Not to my knowledge there has always been a blanket ban on women in teeth arms. Except the TA did allow women in badged as infantry at one point but that stopped coz the couldn’t FTRS or S type them into regular battalions except in HQ and admin jobs. | |||
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"The question is has any women actually passed selection?" That's not the question, the question is why is it soo hard for men to get into serving children their school dinners. | |||
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"When men can't be dinner ladies?" Yes it is, not least because your reasoning why it might not be is inaccurate. | |||
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"If they can pass the same selection, fine. The other issues (real though they are) can be worked around. Trouble is we all know it won't be the same selection... Erm.... I think you will find it’s not the same selection as it was in the 60’s, 70’s, 80’s or 90’s... or 10’s Because it’s constantly changing and evolving. An I’m sure the selection and training team will keep it seriously difficult, and carry on turning out soldiers to the same high standard. Because that’s what they do. And they do it really really really well.
I'm sure the test evolves. That's not really the point being made is it?
The point being made is that if they are to join then the test should be the same as the men joining at the same time.
Otherwise it's just discrimination, plain and simple"Are the armies basic fitness requirements different for women? Yup Is the pass criteria for P coy, all arms commando or special forces aptitude flexible? Nah | |||
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"Doubt many will pass selection though. Because kids would rather have dinner ladies? Less predatory? Fuck sake hahaha x Well! I dunno why people are going on about women joining the frontline special forces, this is a thread about sexual discrimination in the dining hall. Obviously the S.A.S is a lot more interesting x" You're going to see alot of "A"'s being used... | |||
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"When men can't be dinner ladies? Yes it is, not least because your reasoning why it might not be is inaccurate." So you're not saying men arn't physically capable of succeeding in the role? | |||
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"When men can't be dinner ladies? Yes it is, not least because your reasoning why it might not be is inaccurate. So you're not saying men arn't physically capable of succeeding in the role?" Correct. | |||
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"I don't think it's a good idea. They'll no doubt make the selection tests easier such as lighter weights or more time which in my opinion defeats the whole purpose. If they're going to join then it should be on the basis that they do exactly the same selection tests as men and if they can do it then fair play they deserve it. " How would this work? Like in the heat of actually having to battle or long surveillance they would have to move equally quickly carrying the same equipment. I'm all for it but the selection criteria has to be equal too | |||
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"This is going to be quite unpopular but cannot see any woman making it into the SAS. They are not physically equipped to compete on level playing field as men, so would not be able to justify a place within an elite squad. Just my opinion" True | |||
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"When men can't be dinner ladies? Yes it is, not least because your reasoning why it might not be is inaccurate. So you're not saying men arn't physically capable of succeeding in the role? Correct." Even though it could lead to chronic lower back injuries?! | |||
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"This is going to be quite unpopular but cannot see any woman making it into the SAS. They are not physically equipped to compete on level playing field as men, so would not be able to justify a place within an elite squad. Just my opinion True " They ain’t athletes, there is a difference between sports and soldiering. Athletiscism is required, medical fitness, good health but it’s 90% physical and 10% psychological. Don’t forget we’ve had women in the SRS or whatever it’s called and in 14int. Women have taken part in anti terrorist operations alongside covert male operators in NI over a long long time. And they all did the same course. Women have been in military police on the ground same as guys, there are other units as well. Women do MMA BJJ karate kickboxing, marathons, attic exploring and all other kinds of bollox. They won’t be reducing weights of Bergans or times on tabs and certainly won’t suddenly all get hippy dippy | |||
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"When men can't be dinner ladies? I know a chap who's a "lunchtime helper" (the PC version of dinner lady)
Has he no shame?! "Haha, dunno, but he's a single dad and his little lad goes to the school he works in | |||
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"The question is has any women actually passed selection? That's not the question, the question is why is it soo hard for men to get into serving children their school dinners. " I think there actually might be schools that employ men as serving assistants | |||
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"When men can't be dinner ladies? I know a chap who's a "lunchtime helper" (the PC version of dinner lady)
Has he no shame?!
Haha, dunno, but he's a single dad and his little lad goes to the school he works in "Ah that's cute! I went to my son's school in a helicopter once, he was kinda impressed.  | |||
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"This is going to be quite unpopular but cannot see any woman making it into the SAS. They are not physically equipped to compete on level playing field as men, so would not be able to justify a place within an elite squad. Just my opinion True " Yeas ago I was giving a TA girl serious shit for not moving fast enough, in the end, we were all wearing belt kit in Indiana summer heat with little jet pack side pouches or daysacks and M16 (I think A2) one guy had a M60 (exchange get the fun guns to play with) In the end I lost my temper (I’m good at that) ripped her day sack off and nearly dislocated my shoulder with the amount of link 7.62 some slack cunts had dropped off on the poor short (she was short) bitch. I spent the next couple of miles trying to look ok with the weight. After I made her tank one of my water bottles and checked she wasn’t going to die on me.  | |||
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"When men can't be dinner ladies? Yes it is, not least because your reasoning why it might not be is inaccurate. So you're not saying men arn't physically capable of succeeding in the role? Correct. Even though it could lead to chronic lower back injuries?!" What’s that got to do with whether a gender can do the job or not? | |||
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"And there was me thinking the ladies were here to civilise us militaristic apes. Now they want to join in the killing and maiming. Or has someone told them it's all push button stuff now? Not when you're tasked with house clearing it isn't, esp if the enemy is willing to die before giving ground. Couldn't be anything to do with finding enough recruits could it? Nah, they wouldn't ask the ladies to make up a shortfall would they? And if they get bits and pieces blown off, heavy scarring etc well come on, in this day and age we can do wonders with prosthetics and facial reconstruction. As for PTSD and ending up sleeping on the streets, hey once again it's all equality now. Love the idea that war has gotten easier now everyone is tooled up. Unfortunately nobody tells the enemy that only high tech combat is allowed. As my old instructor corporal used to put it every time we got too interested in new toys: "While you're messing with that thing some hard-nosed bastard from the other side is going to sneak up and bash your brains in with a rock"." Sorry I meant tooled up as in not actual hand to hand fisticuffs and ninja moves. A machete or bayonete or handgun kinda levels the physical differences out. | |||
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"When men can't be dinner ladies? Yes it is, not least because your reasoning why it might not be is inaccurate. So you're not saying men arn't physically capable of succeeding in the role? Correct. Even though it could lead to chronic lower back injuries?! What’s that got to do with whether a gender can do the job or not?" The entire set up is based so heavily around the female form that for a male to enter that environment, it would actually cause him physical harm. It's a sexist industry. In a couple of years time i bet there'll be more women running up and down mountains playing soldiers than there will be men in school dining halls. I'm just not seeing men being encouraged into the industry. | |||
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"You believe at this point in time a woman will get into the SAS via the rigorous physical endurance one has to obtain and overcome?" Yes I beleive they will bounce through the acquaint, continuation, combat survival then still get failed. Unless when the selection and training team sit down with the final candidates files and the woman has fitted that last little thing they have to make their mind up on. Because some guys pass everything else and still fail on this and it must be an absolute cunt of a discussion and a really hard decision. | |||
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"When men can't be dinner ladies? Yes it is, not least because your reasoning why it might not be is inaccurate. So you're not saying men arn't physically capable of succeeding in the role? Correct. Even though it could lead to chronic lower back injuries?! What’s that got to do with whether a gender can do the job or not? The entire set up is based so heavily around the female form that for a male to enter that environment, it would actually cause him physical harm. It's a sexist industry. In a couple of years time i bet there'll be more women running up and down mountains playing soldiers than there will be men in school dining halls. I'm just not seeing men being encouraged into the industry. " The joke doesn’t quite play out though, given its bollocks. | |||
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"Doubt many will pass selection though." Why? | |||
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"When men can't be dinner ladies? Yes it is, not least because your reasoning why it might not be is inaccurate. So you're not saying men arn't physically capable of succeeding in the role? Correct. Even though it could lead to chronic lower back injuries?! What’s that got to do with whether a gender can do the job or not? The entire set up is based so heavily around the female form that for a male to enter that environment, it would actually cause him physical harm. It's a sexist industry. In a couple of years time i bet there'll be more women running up and down mountains playing soldiers than there will be men in school dining halls. I'm just not seeing men being encouraged into the industry. The joke doesn’t quite play out though, given its bollocks. " Jeez, who shat in your sandwich? | |||
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"The question is has any women actually passed selection? That's not the question, the question is why is it soo hard for men to get into serving children their school dinners. " There was a male dinner lady in my children’s school. The kids loved him - he used to sing “I’m a dinner lady, I’m a dinner lady”, to Beyonce’s All the Single Ladies | |||
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"it’s*" Nice name. Do you like credence Clearwater revival? | |||
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"it’s* Nice name. Do you like credence Clearwater revival? " Who doesn't?! | |||
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"Doubt many will pass selection though. Why? " Because Men and women are not physically equal in general. If you give the women some testosterone they might have more of a chance. | |||
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"The question is has any women actually passed selection? That's not the question, the question is why is it soo hard for men to get into serving children their school dinners. There was a male dinner lady in my children’s school. The kids loved him - he used to sing “I’m a dinner lady, I’m a dinner lady”, to Beyonce’s All the Single Ladies " That's ace! | |||
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"When men can't be dinner ladies? Yes it is, not least because your reasoning why it might not be is inaccurate. So you're not saying men arn't physically capable of succeeding in the role? Correct. Even though it could lead to chronic lower back injuries?! What’s that got to do with whether a gender can do the job or not? The entire set up is based so heavily around the female form that for a male to enter that environment, it would actually cause him physical harm. It's a sexist industry. In a couple of years time i bet there'll be more women running up and down mountains playing soldiers than there will be men in school dining halls. I'm just not seeing men being encouraged into the industry. The joke doesn’t quite play out though, given its bollocks. Jeez, who shat in your sandwich?" I expect you to do better. | |||
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"Doubt many will pass selection though. Why? " Not many men do either
Ain’t it a 1 in 200 pass rate from pre-selection to maybe getting a badge?
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"When men can't be dinner ladies? Yes it is, not least because your reasoning why it might not be is inaccurate. So you're not saying men arn't physically capable of succeeding in the role? Correct. Even though it could lead to chronic lower back injuries?! What’s that got to do with whether a gender can do the job or not? The entire set up is based so heavily around the female form that for a male to enter that environment, it would actually cause him physical harm. It's a sexist industry. In a couple of years time i bet there'll be more women running up and down mountains playing soldiers than there will be men in school dining halls. I'm just not seeing men being encouraged into the industry. The joke doesn’t quite play out though, given its bollocks. Jeez, who shat in your sandwich? I expect you to do better. "If you shit in a sandwich would be eat it?  | |||
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"When men can't be dinner ladies? Yes it is, not least because your reasoning why it might not be is inaccurate. So you're not saying men arn't physically capable of succeeding in the role? Correct. Even though it could lead to chronic lower back injuries?! What’s that got to do with whether a gender can do the job or not? The entire set up is based so heavily around the female form that for a male to enter that environment, it would actually cause him physical harm. It's a sexist industry. In a couple of years time i bet there'll be more women running up and down mountains playing soldiers than there will be men in school dining halls. I'm just not seeing men being encouraged into the industry. The joke doesn’t quite play out though, given its bollocks. Jeez, who shat in your sandwich? I expect you to do better.
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"When men can't be dinner ladies? Yes it is, not least because your reasoning why it might not be is inaccurate. So you're not saying men arn't physically capable of succeeding in the role? Correct. Even though it could lead to chronic lower back injuries?! What’s that got to do with whether a gender can do the job or not? The entire set up is based so heavily around the female form that for a male to enter that environment, it would actually cause him physical harm. It's a sexist industry. In a couple of years time i bet there'll be more women running up and down mountains playing soldiers than there will be men in school dining halls. I'm just not seeing men being encouraged into the industry. The joke doesn’t quite play out though, given its bollocks. Jeez, who shat in your sandwich? I expect you to do better. "You've told me it's bollox with no evidence. | |||
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"When men can't be dinner ladies? Yes it is, not least because your reasoning why it might not be is inaccurate. So you're not saying men arn't physically capable of succeeding in the role? Correct. Even though it could lead to chronic lower back injuries?! What’s that got to do with whether a gender can do the job or not? The entire set up is based so heavily around the female form that for a male to enter that environment, it would actually cause him physical harm. It's a sexist industry. In a couple of years time i bet there'll be more women running up and down mountains playing soldiers than there will be men in school dining halls. I'm just not seeing men being encouraged into the industry. The joke doesn’t quite play out though, given its bollocks. Jeez, who shat in your sandwich? I expect you to do better.
If you shit in a sandwich would be eat it?
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"It’s the thin end of the wedge I tell ya... look at the Royal Navy, since they let women onto ships pregnancies have gone up 100% "All the sea men milling around? | |||
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"It’s the thin end of the wedge I tell ya... look at the Royal Navy, since they let women onto ships pregnancies have gone up 100%
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"The problem people have with women on the front line is the potential of a pregnant woman killing another pregnant woman ..which is quite abhorrent in any walk of life ...but then again so is war " Would a pregnant women not be out on maternity leave? Or if not get on maternity leave, pretty sure the risk assessment once preggers would rule out a day on the frontline killing. | |||
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"The problem people have with women on the front line is the potential of a pregnant woman killing another pregnant woman ..which is quite abhorrent in any walk of life ...but then again so is war Would a pregnant women not be out on maternity leave? Or if not get on maternity leave, pretty sure the risk assessment once preggers would rule out a day on the frontline killing. Yes , she would but she may not know she's pregnant until a few weeks in ....don't shoot the messenger " | |||
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"The problem people have with women on the front line is the potential of a pregnant woman killing another pregnant woman ..which is quite abhorrent in any walk of life ...but then again so is war " True, although nothing says "we captured your female soldiers" better than a blasting cap in the vagina. Apart from returning them home pregnant of course. | |||
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"It’s the thin end of the wedge I tell ya... look at the Royal Navy, since they let women onto ships pregnancies have gone up 100% "Who was getting pregnant before then?  | |||
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"The problem people have with women on the front line is the potential of a pregnant woman killing another pregnant woman ..which is quite abhorrent in any walk of life ...but then again so is war Would a pregnant women not be out on maternity leave? Or if not get on maternity leave, pretty sure the risk assessment once preggers would rule out a day on the frontline killing. Yes , she would but she may not know she's pregnant until a few weeks in ....don't shoot the messenger "So it would take an autopsy to discover the abhorrence. Is that standard on the frontline? | |||
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"It’s the thin end of the wedge I tell ya... look at the Royal Navy, since they let women onto ships pregnancies have gone up 100%
Who was getting pregnant before then? "When i was on Lusty for a short time, it was Sticky Vicky, and cock thirsty Kirsty. | |||
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"Vasquez was a badass in Aliens. If it's the same selection then fine, including physical components, but if they're passing women through just to bump numbers and be PC then no. " Love Vasquez | |||
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"And they still can't change a flat tyre" I’m good with a spare tyre though. | |||
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"The problem people have with women on the front line is the potential of a pregnant woman killing another pregnant woman ..which is quite abhorrent in any walk of life ...but then again so is war Would a pregnant women not be out on maternity leave? Or if not get on maternity leave, pretty sure the risk assessment once preggers would rule out a day on the frontline killing. Yes , she would but she may not know she's pregnant until a few weeks in ....don't shoot the messenger
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he abhorrence. Is that standard on the frontline?"Never been on a front line , so I don't know ...I just read and that's what most opponents arguments where | |||
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"And they still can't change a flat tyre I’m good with a spare tyre though. " Another name change!! | |||
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"And they still can't change a flat tyre I’m good with a spare tyre though. Another name change!!" Just a joke for a week | |||
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"Vasquez was a badass in Aliens. If it's the same selection then fine, including physical components, but if they're passing women through just to bump numbers and be PC then no. Love Vasquez " | |||
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"Well! I dunno why people are going on about women joining the frontline special forces, this is a thread about sexual discrimination in the dining hall. " Because frontline special forces is easier than staffing the dining hall... | |||
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"And they still can't change a flat tyre" I can, but I don't think I could kill someone. | |||
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"And they still can't change a flat tyre" Wanna bet? | |||
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"Well! I dunno why people are going on about women joining the frontline special forces, this is a thread about sexual discrimination in the dining hall. Because frontline special forces is easier than staffing the dining hall... " Seriously, it's hell in those dining rooms. The girls ones are worse than the boys. | |||
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"And they still can't change a flat tyre I can, but I don't think I could kill someone. " What! Not even the little brat who throws their meat on the floor but still expects a pudding! How can you have a pudding if you don't eat your meat? | |||
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"When i was in tbe army women were not allowed on the front line. I alwsys disagreed with this. There are some seriously strong women out there. Stronger then alot of men i knew. If they can pass the test then I think its about time. But its one of the hardest trsts in the world. Good luck to anyone who gets in xxx to " Yep a family friends son tried out for it when serving, he did daily runs of 44 miles round trip carrying a backpack of house bricks. He didn’t make the selection cut as he was deemed ‘not fit enough’ | |||
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"If they can pass the same selection, fine. The other issues (real though they are) can be worked around. Trouble is we all know it won't be the same selection..." Exactly, I serve with some fantastic women soldiers but they are the exception, many who try just can't handle it physically or mentally. If they lower the robust standard to recruit more women just to tick equality boxes then it puts our military capability at risk. A battlefield is no place to be second best. | |||
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"Well! I dunno why people are going on about women joining the frontline special forces, this is a thread about sexual discrimination in the dining hall. Because frontline special forces is easier than staffing the dining hall... " True. True. | |||
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"If they can pass the same selection, fine. The other issues (real though they are) can be worked around. Trouble is we all know it won't be the same selection... Exactly, I serve with some fantastic women soldiers but they are the exception, many who try just can't handle it physically or mentally. If they lower the robust standard to recruit more women just to tick equality boxes then it puts our military capability at risk. A battlefield is no place to be second best." I served with a few people who tried to get into SF, some who you would of thought would get in failed. Of the guys who got in (not many) a couple were complete suprise. There’s loads of factors it’s not just fitness. I failed twice once regular and once TA. Being a bit driven is probably the best quality. | |||
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"But what if they break a nail in combat?" The superglue it back on and suck it up! | |||
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"I guess some women may well get selected into the SAS,but i can't see them being selected for the SBS. Those guys are a breed apart. " If they can get into SAS there will be no reason they can't get i to SBS | |||
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"I guess some women may well get selected into the SAS,but i can't see them being selected for the SBS. Those guys are a breed apart. " Erm they do the same selection now dude and the SAS an SBS are linked. Keep up with the times it’s not the 80’s, Maggie ain’t about to see if napalm sticks to spicks | |||
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"And they still can't change a flat tyre I can, but I don't think I could kill someone. What! Not even the little brat who throws their meat on the floor but still expects a pudding! How can you have a pudding if you don't eat your meat? "I wouldn't work in primary, there's no negotiating with those fuckers. | |||
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"I guess some women may well get selected into the SAS,but i can't see them being selected for the SBS. Those guys are a breed apart. If they can get into SAS there will be no reason they can't get i to SBS" Seasickness? | |||
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"But what if they break a nail in combat? The superglue it back on and suck it up!" Did you know superglue was invented for war? Vietnam to be precise, invented for gluing wounds together | |||
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"I guess some women may well get selected into the SAS,but i can't see them being selected for the SBS. Those guys are a breed apart. If they can get into SAS there will be no reason they can't get i to SBS Seasickness?" Lol that would be an issue those raider boats are very bumpy! | |||
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"But what if they break a nail in combat? The superglue it back on and suck it up! Did you know superglue was invented for war? Vietnam to be precise, invented for gluing wounds together" I did read that yes, I didn't know it was the Vietnam war though. | |||
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"I guess some women may well get selected into the SAS,but i can't see them being selected for the SBS. Those guys are a breed apart. If they can get into SAS there will be no reason they can't get i to SBS" SBS are admittedly a twofer join the marines then ... | |||
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"I guess some women may well get selected into the SAS,but i can't see them being selected for the SBS. Those guys are a breed apart. If they can get into SAS there will be no reason they can't get i to SBS Seasickness? Lol that would be an issue those raider boats are very bumpy!" It's why I could never apply | |||
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"But what if they break a nail in combat? The superglue it back on and suck it up! Did you know superglue was invented for war? Vietnam to be precise, invented for gluing wounds together" I think you have watched dog soldiers too many times lol | |||
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"I guess some women may well get selected into the SAS,but i can't see them being selected for the SBS. Those guys are a breed apart. If they can get into SAS there will be no reason they can't get i to SBS Seasickness? Lol that would be an issue those raider boats are very bumpy!" Some marines go SAS coz they want too | |||
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"But what if they break a nail in combat? The superglue it back on and suck it up! Did you know superglue was invented for war? Vietnam to be precise, invented for gluing wounds together I think you have watched dog soldiers too many times lol" It’s true ish it was for use instead of stitching, they glue a lot of cuts now. It was a 60’s thing but probably not specifically for nam | |||
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"Doubt many will pass selection though. Why? Because Men and women are not physically equal in general. If you give the women some testosterone they might have more of a chance." Absolute garbage | |||
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"But what if they break a nail in combat? The superglue it back on and suck it up! Did you know superglue was invented for war? Vietnam to be precise, invented for gluing wounds together I think you have watched dog soldiers too many times lol" Developed by Eastman Kodak,and invented by Harry coovman,First used in the Vietnam War to temporarily patch the internal organs of injured soldiers until conventional surgery could be performed, tissue adhesives are now used worldwide for a variety of sutureless surgical applications | |||
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"Doubt many will pass selection though. Why? Because Men and women are not physically equal in general. If you give the women some testosterone they might have more of a chance. Absolute garbage "Don’t women have higher testosterone anyways??? Or am I miss remembering due to scotch | |||
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"But what if they break a nail in combat? The superglue it back on and suck it up! Did you know superglue was invented for war? Vietnam to be precise, invented for gluing wounds together I think you have watched dog soldiers too many times lol Developed by Eastman Kodak,and invented by Harry coovman,First used in the Vietnam War to temporarily patch the internal organs of injured soldiers until conventional surgery could be performed, tissue adhesives are now used worldwide for a variety of sutureless surgical applications" D.S. actually invented soldiers, so if he says your wrong, wrong you are. Soz. | |||
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"Doubt many will pass selection though. Why? Because Men and women are not physically equal in general. If you give the women some testosterone they might have more of a chance. Absolute garbage
Don’t women have higher testosterone anyways??? Or am I miss remembering due to scotch "You are missing something men have about 8 times more | |||
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"No its not fair they will cause to much unwanted attention the will get the wrong idea if the bullet the will think were the battery go and were is the on switch probably put the vibrating bullet in the gun and the realm one in their pussy if there blond lol " Ah, yes | |||
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"Doubt many will pass selection though. Why? Because Men and women are not physically equal in general. If you give the women some testosterone they might have more of a chance. Absolute garbage "Oh really why do we separate sports etc then | |||
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"Doubt many will pass selection though. Why? Because Men and women are not physically equal in general. If you give the women some testosterone they might have more of a chance. Absolute garbage Oh really why do we separate sports etc then"Because men can run faster! Duh! ..oh...  | |||
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"Doubt many will pass selection though. Why? Because Men and women are not physically equal in general. If you give the women some testosterone they might have more of a chance. Absolute garbage Oh really why do we separate sports etc then
Because men can run faster! Duh! ..oh... "It is biological and comes down to upper body strength. | |||
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"But what if they break a nail in combat? The superglue it back on and suck it up! Did you know superglue was invented for war? Vietnam to be precise, invented for gluing wounds together I think you have watched dog soldiers too many times lol Developed by Eastman Kodak,and invented by Harry coovman,First used in the Vietnam War to temporarily patch the internal organs of injured soldiers until conventional surgery could be performed, tissue adhesives are now used worldwide for a variety of sutureless surgical applications" you are getting superglue mixed up with skin adhesive, superglue is made from toxic products. Wounds should never be sealed completely on the battlefield anyway, it causes infection. | |||
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"But what if they break a nail in combat? The superglue it back on and suck it up! Did you know superglue was invented for war? Vietnam to be precise, invented for gluing wounds together I think you have watched dog soldiers too many times lol Developed by Eastman Kodak,and invented by Harry coovman,First used in the Vietnam War to temporarily patch the internal organs of injured soldiers until conventional surgery could be performed, tissue adhesives are now used worldwide for a variety of sutureless surgical applications you are getting superglue mixed up with skin adhesive, superglue is made from toxic products. Wounds should never be sealed completely on the battlefield anyway, it causes infection. " Maybe it was adapted from the wound adhesive? | |||
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"Doubt many will pass selection though. Because kids would rather have dinner ladies? Less predatory?" What, after the chips or chocolate sponge? We had a lot of female food predators and a skinny guy who munched nothing | |||
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"They have let them do other special forces rolls in the past haven’t they? S.O.E. And 14 inteligence spring to mind. " | |||
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"As someone that failed selection. Fair shout to a woman that can. However my doubts are around torture, as sexual abuse is a valid tool to use. " I would shoot myself rather than be taken prisoner. | |||
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"But what if they break a nail in combat? The superglue it back on and suck it up! Did you know superglue was invented for war? Vietnam to be precise, invented for gluing wounds together I think you have watched dog soldiers too many times lol Developed by Eastman Kodak,and invented by Harry coovman,First used in the Vietnam War to temporarily patch the internal organs of injured soldiers until conventional surgery could be performed, tissue adhesives are now used worldwide for a variety of sutureless surgical applications you are getting superglue mixed up with skin adhesive, superglue is made from toxic products. Wounds should never be sealed completely on the battlefield anyway, it causes infection. Maybe it was adapted from the wound adhesive?" Yes it was the point was it was never designed for use on the battlefield it is used at Dressing Station/Field Hospital level | |||
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"If they can pass the same selection, fine. The other issues (real though they are) can be worked around. Trouble is we all know it won't be the same selection... Exactly, I serve with some fantastic women soldiers but they are the exception, many who try just can't handle it physically or mentally. If they lower the robust standard to recruit more women just to tick equality boxes then it puts our military capability at risk. A battlefield is no place to be second best. I served with a few people who tried to get into SF, some who you would of thought would get in failed. Of the guys who got in (not many) a couple were complete suprise. There’s loads of factors it’s not just fitness. I failed twice once regular and once TA. Being a bit driven is probably the best quality. " Its the mental attitude that makes you that way. So you tried for 23? O tried for guards squadron 22. Twice failed do to wrong mental attitude lol. | |||
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"But what if they break a nail in combat? The superglue it back on and suck it up! Did you know superglue was invented for war? Vietnam to be precise, invented for gluing wounds together I think you have watched dog soldiers too many times lol Developed by Eastman Kodak,and invented by Harry coovman,First used in the Vietnam War to temporarily patch the internal organs of injured soldiers until conventional surgery could be performed, tissue adhesives are now used worldwide for a variety of sutureless surgical applications you are getting superglue mixed up with skin adhesive, superglue is made from toxic products. Wounds should never be sealed completely on the battlefield anyway, it causes infection. Maybe it was adapted from the wound adhesive? Yes it was the point was it was never designed for use on the battlefield it is used at Dressing Station/Field Hospital level" Is it used in action? Is it a part of a field medical kit? | |||
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"When men can't be dinner ladies?" They didn’t say women can be sas men. | |||
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"If they can pass the same selection, fine. The other issues (real though they are) can be worked around. Trouble is we all know it won't be the same selection... Exactly, I serve with some fantastic women soldiers but they are the exception, many who try just can't handle it physically or mentally. If they lower the robust standard to recruit more women just to tick equality boxes then it puts our military capability at risk. A battlefield is no place to be second best. I served with a few people who tried to get into SF, some who you would of thought would get in failed. Of the guys who got in (not many) a couple were complete suprise. There’s loads of factors it’s not just fitness. I failed twice once regular and once TA. Being a bit driven is probably the best quality. Its the mental attitude that makes you that way. So you tried for 23? O tried for guards squadron 22. Twice failed do to wrong mental attitude lol. " No 21 and 22 | |||
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"But what if they break a nail in combat?" Everybody knows you would keep them short for combat. You would have to rely on your wits, gun and hairpulling ... no scratching though | |||
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"But what if they break a nail in combat? The superglue it back on and suck it up! Did you know superglue was invented for war? Vietnam to be precise, invented for gluing wounds together I think you have watched dog soldiers too many times lol Developed by Eastman Kodak,and invented by Harry coovman,First used in the Vietnam War to temporarily patch the internal organs of injured soldiers until conventional surgery could be performed, tissue adhesives are now used worldwide for a variety of sutureless surgical applications you are getting superglue mixed up with skin adhesive, superglue is made from toxic products. Wounds should never be sealed completely on the battlefield anyway, it causes infection. Maybe it was adapted from the wound adhesive? Yes it was the point was it was never designed for use on the battlefield it is used at Dressing Station/Field Hospital level Is it used in action? Is it a part of a field medical kit?" No never in a field medical kit | |||
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"If you can pass the standard requirements then you’re a machine and you shouldn’t be refused. Whether you’re a man or a woman, getting into the special forces would be no mean feat. If you can do it, good on ya." I feel the same about dinner ladies. | |||
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"Any who doubts the strength and fortitude of women to become a member of the special forces should read about the female SOE officers in WW2. As for fitness, then as some of the TV shows that go through the SAS selection process have shown, women are just as capable " | |||
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"Should women be allowed in? Hell Yeah, if they are upto the role. In my basic training I left most of the blokes standing. I smashed the arse out of every challenge set me. Became bit of a joke I had bigger balls than the 10 men stood next to me. I'd have loved to have joined the Reg, sadly my lack of actual balls prevented that. " This! Selection for SF or any other role in the forces should be done on individual merit and not on chromosomes. Talk about chipped nails, PMT, unwarranted distraction is a bigger reflection on those making the comments than on the service men and women involved in the roles. These are professional soliders, if they are good enough to get a crack at SF then they deserve far more respect than they are being given in this forum. If anyone gets through the physical, mental and emotional hell they are put through in training you are damn right it is fair they can join. | |||
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"When men can't be dinner ladies?" You can pretty much guarantee that if a woman does succeed in passing we will hear of a tribunal where she was subjected to "sexual harassment" with quick succession. Most units are pure lads clubs and in this era where simply hugging someone enlists them in the #metoo brigade it's surely a given. | |||
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"Sas selection is probably the hardest in the world I don't think many females will pass it imo" Not many men pass it either. That’s the point | |||
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"How do you know if someone tried to be selected for SF? Is this a 'don't worry, they'll tell you!' type joke? " Got it in one! | |||
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"How do you know if someone tried to be selected for SF? Is this a 'don't worry, they'll tell you!' type joke? Got it in one! "Same as you tell a vegan | |||
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"When men can't be dinner ladies? You can pretty much guarantee that if a woman does succeed in passing we will hear of a tribunal where she was subjected to "sexual harassment" with quick succession. Most units are pure lads clubs and in this era where simply hugging someone enlists them in the #metoo brigade it's surely a given. " I dare you or anyone else to sexually harass anyone has passed selection! | |||
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"When men can't be dinner ladies? You can pretty much guarantee that if a woman does succeed in passing we will hear of a tribunal where she was subjected to "sexual harassment" with quick succession. Most units are pure lads clubs and in this era where simply hugging someone enlists them in the #metoo brigade it's surely a given. I dare you or anyone else to sexually harass anyone has passed selection! " That particular movement doesn't actually require sexual harassment for accusations. A hug or a wink seem to be sufficient for some of the extremists in the group. No evidence needed either. Disbelieve all men. | |||
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"If you can pass the standard requirements then you’re a machine and you shouldn’t be refused. Whether you’re a man or a woman, getting into the special forces would be no mean feat. If you can do it, good on ya. I feel the same about dinner ladies." Love you Jim! | |||
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