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By *good-being-bad OP Man
over a year ago
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Karen white has been jailed for life after r***ing two female inmates while on remand awaiting trial for other offences
My head is struggling to understand how a guy who had a history of sexual offences is put into a female prison.
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But surely every "woman" has the ability to whip they're cock out, overpower another female and r@pe them?.
I'm not against transgender people but it has its problems when you can just define yourself by your feelings. |
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over a year ago
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White sexually assaulted two inmates. The r*pes were prior offences.
I'm all for transwomen serving sentences in female prisons. But when the prisoner has a history of sexual offences this seems like a fuck up of the highest order. At the very least the prison service has messed up by leaving White unsupervised and able to do this.
Murderers on the whole do not get a chance to commit murder in jail. Violent offenders ideally the same. I would hold the prison service responsible for this rather than the judge that sent White to a women's prison.
Naturally there will no doubt be an outcry now demanding that only genetic women serve time in women's gaols.
Another thing that stands out here to me is a life sentence and eligible for parole after nine and a half years. Why bother calling it life?
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"White sexually assaulted two inmates. The r*pes were prior offences.
I'm all for transwomen serving sentences in female prisons. But when the prisoner has a history of sexual offences this seems like a fuck up of the highest order. At the very least the prison service has messed up by leaving White unsupervised and able to do this.
Murderers on the whole do not get a chance to commit murder in jail. Violent offenders ideally the same. I would hold the prison service responsible for this rather than the judge that sent White to a women's prison.
Naturally there will no doubt be an outcry now demanding that only genetic women serve time in women's gaols.
Another thing that stands out here to me is a life sentence and eligible for parole after nine and a half years. Why bother calling it life?
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Any life sentence has a minimum term that has to be served before parole can even be considered. The fact that parole is being considered is no guarantee you will get it. If you are still a danger you stay inside.
Even if you are released, you can be given stringent conditions. (not to contact children for example) and if the breach them you can be sent back to prison. Ditto if you committ any further crimes.
This continues throughout your life, hence you are always at risk of going back inside if you step out of line, whereas non lifers don't have that risk once the sentence is completed. |
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"Personally, I think trans-women offenders should only be let into women's prisons if they are full post-op, and volunteer for chemical castration."
ok so whats ur worldly wise thoughts on what should happen to trans men and jail ??
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"Personally, I think trans-women offenders should only be let into women's prisons if they are full post-op, and volunteer for chemical castration.ok so whats ur worldly wise thoughts on what should happen to trans men and jail ??"
The difficulty is that male bodied trans women prisoners commit sexual offences at a higher level than male prisoners as a whole and mostly against females. Hence as a category they are objectively risky to females.
The solution may be special trans units for male bodied trans women who don't want to be in male prisons |
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Those in authority who signed off on White going to a female prison need to take a long hard look at themselves in a mirror and then sit down and explain in person to White's latest victims why they thought it was a good idea. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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If they didn't send this person to a female prison Peter tatchell and others would of appeared on TV complaining about it.
Then organising a march.
Then a crowd funding.
Then a petition.
Then another march.
Then more TV appearances.
And so on. |
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By *good-being-bad OP Man
over a year ago
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"White sexually assaulted two inmates. The r*pes were prior offences.
I'm all for transwomen serving sentences in female prisons. But when the prisoner has a history of sexual offences this seems like a fuck up of the highest order. At the very least the prison service has messed up by leaving White unsupervised and able to do this.
Murderers on the whole do not get a chance to commit murder in jail. Violent offenders ideally the same. I would hold the prison service responsible for this rather than the judge that sent White to a women's prison.
Naturally there will no doubt be an outcry now demanding that only genetic women serve time in women's gaols.
Another thing that stands out here to me is a life sentence and eligible for parole after nine and a half years. Why bother calling it life?
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I may have misread the news reports about the order of the offences..my head is still struggling to see the logic of a sex offender being put amongst potential victims.. and after admitting the offences was then moved to a male prison ?? |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Personally, I think trans-women offenders should only be let into women's prisons if they are full post-op, and volunteer for chemical castration.ok so whats ur worldly wise thoughts on what should happen to trans men and jail ??"
They would go into a male prison? I'm sure there's enough bumfuckery going on in men's prisons for the risks to a former woman to be negligible.  |
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"Nope - he was not undergoing transition, had no intention to - and used the charade to cover-up his offences - a typical con-man.
Con-person please  "
The trans community (now) includes anyone who identifies as different so they aren't required to undertake a transition to qualify as trans. They identify, therefore they are. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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The trans community (now) includes anyone who identifies as different so they aren't required to undertake a transition to qualify as trans. They identify, therefore they are. "
You say that as if it's a bad thing. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Personally, I think trans-women offenders should only be let into women's prisons if they are full post-op, and volunteer for chemical castration.ok so whats ur worldly wise thoughts on what should happen to trans men and jail ??
They would go into a male prison? I'm sure there's enough bumfuckery going on in men's prisons for the risks to a former woman to be negligible. "
The risks of people pretending to be trans just to commit sex offences are "negligible", as you so compassionately express it.
Why should the majority be punished because of the actions of a very tiny minority?
Perhaps you advocate the banning of cars, because a minority of people use them to commit crime.
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"Personally, I think trans-women offenders should only be let into women's prisons if they are full post-op, and volunteer for chemical castration.ok so whats ur worldly wise thoughts on what should happen to trans men and jail ??
They would go into a male prison? I'm sure there's enough bumfuckery going on in men's prisons for the risks to a former woman to be negligible.
The risks of people pretending to be trans just to commit sex offences are "negligible", as you so compassionately express it.
Why should the majority be punished because of the actions of a very tiny minority?
Perhaps you advocate the banning of cars, because a minority of people use them to commit crime.
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I'm not entirely sure what your objections are - can you clarify? |
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"Karen white has been jailed for life after r***ing two female inmates while on remand awaiting trial for other offences
My head is struggling to understand how a guy who had a history of sexual offences is put into a female prison.
Someone help me "
It wasn't a guy it was a woman! |
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I once saw a documentary on some women who identified as wolves! They went out with plastic fang teeth and a little tail sticking out of her jeans to chase ducks around the local park!.
No one was hurt but I did see some panicky ducks and the odd strange look from passing dogs. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Con-man who was an occasional cross-dresser - who did not identify as 'female' - but used cross-dressing as a cover for sexual abuse/assaults. He played the system to get access to more victims.
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"Con-man who was an occasional cross-dresser - who did not identify as 'female' - but used cross-dressing as a cover for sexual abuse/assaults. He played the system to get access to more victims.
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Yea,I guess that's why we have a system where we separate people by sex and chromosomes. |
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The trans community (now) includes anyone who identifies as different so they aren't required to undertake a transition to qualify as trans. They identify, therefore they are.
You say that as if it's a bad thing. "
My difficulty is its intellectually incoherent. Terns like "woman" only have any meaning if there is a more or less common objective definition of the term which is known to everyone.
If anyone can call themselves a woman with no objective external definition as to what a woman is, and everyone has their own private definition of what a woman is, the term then becomes literally meaningless.
All that is solid melts into air as someone once put it. |
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The trans community (now) includes anyone who identifies as different so they aren't required to undertake a transition to qualify as trans. They identify, therefore they are.
You say that as if it's a bad thing. "
Because it is a bad thing. We have women only spaces for a reason. Refer to the original story if you're confused why women need women only spaces. |
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By *good-being-bad OP Man
over a year ago
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"Karen white has been jailed for life after r***ing two female inmates while on remand awaiting trial for other offences
My head is struggling to understand how a guy who had a history of sexual offences is put into a female prison.
Someone help me
It wasn't a guy it was a woman!"
Yep and then nope ..guy committed the original offences from what I read he then claimed he was (allegedly he wasn't committed to it) transitioning while in prison.
My heads hurting again. Then after admitting to assaulting the female prisoners was sent back to a male prison as a transitioning female .. |
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"Karen white has been jailed for life after r***ing two female inmates while on remand awaiting trial for other offences
My head is struggling to understand how a guy who had a history of sexual offences is put into a female prison.
Someone help me
It wasn't a guy it was a woman!
Yep and then nope ..guy committed the original offences from what I read he then claimed he was (allegedly he wasn't committed to it) transitioning while in prison.
My heads hurting again. Then after admitting to assaulting the female prisoners was sent back to a male prison as a transitioning female .."
You PC bro? You got to be PC. They identified as a woman, so they went to a woman's prison. It's 2018, please get with the programme. It's not about transitioning. |
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By *good-being-bad OP Man
over a year ago
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"Karen white has been jailed for life after r***ing two female inmates while on remand awaiting trial for other offences
My head is struggling to understand how a guy who had a history of sexual offences is put into a female prison.
Someone help me
It wasn't a guy it was a woman!
Yep and then nope ..guy committed the original offences from what I read he then claimed he was (allegedly he wasn't committed to it) transitioning while in prison.
My heads hurting again. Then after admitting to assaulting the female prisoners was sent back to a male prison as a transitioning female ..
You PC bro? You got to be PC. They identified as a woman, so they went to a woman's prison. It's 2018, please get with the programme. It's not about transitioning. "
Transitioning identifying all terms I'm happy to use. Although I may use them in the wrong context.
So we had a guy (when he committed the r@p3s) who should have been in a male prison who said he was (insert correct term from above) so was placed in a female prison where he committed further sexual offences against ladies ..so we now have a lady (insert correct adjective from above) in a man's prison isn't this pretty much where we started.. Heads hurting again. |
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Surely it raises questions of how we protect all inmates from sex offenders. Would the situation not be the same if it were a male homosexual convicted sex offender amongst the male population? Or a female lesbian offender in the female prison population? |
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By *rkeb3Man
over a year ago
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Cose that's all the trans want they want be treated like women they want use ladies restroom n suff
so they did put him with ladies
and still does what man would do n justice served
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"Karen white has been jailed for life after r***ing two female inmates while on remand awaiting trial for other offences
My head is struggling to understand how a guy who had a history of sexual offences is put into a female prison.
Someone help me
It wasn't a guy it was a woman!
Yep and then nope ..guy committed the original offences from what I read he then claimed he was (allegedly he wasn't committed to it) transitioning while in prison.
My heads hurting again. Then after admitting to assaulting the female prisoners was sent back to a male prison as a transitioning female ..
You PC bro? You got to be PC. They identified as a woman, so they went to a woman's prison. It's 2018, please get with the programme. It's not about transitioning.
Transitioning identifying all terms I'm happy to use. Although I may use them in the wrong context.
So we had a guy (when he committed the r@p3s) who should have been in a male prison who said he was (insert correct term from above) so was placed in a female prison where he committed further sexual offences against ladies ..so we now have a lady (insert correct adjective from above) in a man's prison isn't this pretty much where we started.. Heads hurting again."
No we're not back where we started. We have multiple uncessary victims because of post modernist bullshit. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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It shouldn’t really be a question of how some one identifies themselves. It comes down to that individuals capacity to commit a crime.
When he was locked up it should of been taken into account the crimes he commuted. In this case sexual crimes against women.
Locking him up in a women’s prison, regardless of whether he put on a ladies wig and some lippy is ridiculous. He’s physically an adult male. That means he’s bigger and stronger than a female. In that context it doesn’t matter if he feels like a woman |
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"Personally, I think trans-women offenders should only be let into women's prisons if they are full post-op, and volunteer for chemical castration.ok so whats ur worldly wise thoughts on what should happen to trans men and jail ??
They would go into a male prison? I'm sure there's enough bumfuckery going on in men's prisons for the risks to a former woman to be negligible. "
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By *ove3funCouple
over a year ago
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"If the offender was at risk in a male prison put em in solitary in the seg wing.
If the offender is a risk to other prisoners, see above. "
Yes, that's an oddity. The prisoner would/ should have been classed as high-risk to women regardless of their own feelings! |
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"Personally, I think trans-women offenders should only be let into women's prisons if they are full post-op, and volunteer for chemical castration."
Ok tell me how/why and what is the point in giving someone drugs to chemically castrate them after having their cock and balls removed they have already been castrated as in post op! |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"If the offender was at risk in a male prison put em in solitary in the seg wing.
If the offender is a risk to other prisoners, see above.
Yes, that's an oddity. The prisoner would/ should have been classed as high-risk to women regardless of their own feelings!"
I was curious and asked a colleague who was a screw. On remand you are not convicted and allowed your own clothing etc. And more interaction between prisoners is allowed.
But sex offenders and those at risk of attack are still kept in a segregated area. Even on remand. So I’m wondering if She/He was on a landing with other vulnerable/at risk prisoners? |
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By (user no longer on site)
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The difficulty is that male bodied trans women prisoners commit sexual offences at a higher level than male prisoners as a whole and mostly against females. Hence as a category they are objectively risky to females.
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Have you got numbers to back that up? |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"A con-man who played the system - simples!"
Got it in one.
The system of law is a binary concept that does not allow for gut instinct and follows rules even when its known they are being flouted.
There will be more cases such as this in the future and you can lay the blame at the feet of the right leaning media and the minority terf groups who have this obsession with eradicating anyone trans by constant media slander. |
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"Why can't there be unisex prisons for all.. and segregate if necessary if somebody is high risk. We have unisex toilets and uniforms these days. We have unisex wards in hospitals.. "
Is you for real bro? |
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Why can't there be unisex prisons for all.. and segregate if necessary if somebody is high risk. We have unisex toilets and uniforms these days. We have unisex wards in hospitals..
Is you for real bro?
Can't think of one reason against it.... |
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"Why can't there be unisex prisons for all.. and segregate if necessary if somebody is high risk. We have unisex toilets and uniforms these days. We have unisex wards in hospitals..
Is you for real bro?
Can't think of one reason against it.... "
Seriously? Not one? |
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"Why can't there be unisex prisons for all.. and segregate if necessary if somebody is high risk. We have unisex toilets and uniforms these days. We have unisex wards in hospitals..
Is you for real bro?
Can't think of one reason against it.... "
Because the men would grape the shit of out the poor women bro. Didn't you ever hear about not dropping the soap. Imagine if they had the option to grab some puss instead. |
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Well gay men get locked up together in male prisons and have relationships
Gay women get locked up in female prisons and have relationships.. can't see the issue.
And why can't they have relationships after all.? |
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"Well gay men get locked up together in male prisons and have relationships
Gay women get locked up in female prisons and have relationships.. can't see the issue.
And why can't they have relationships after all.?"
Sounds like you're trying to design in your mind, the kind of prison you'd enjoy living in |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Well gay men get locked up together in male prisons and have relationships
Gay women get locked up in female prisons and have relationships.. can't see the issue.
And why can't they have relationships after all.?"
Openly gay men tend to get protective custody. Because of that whole male sexual assault thing. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Well gay men get locked up together in male prisons and have relationships
Gay women get locked up in female prisons and have relationships.. can't see the issue.
And why can't they have relationships after all.?
Sounds like you're trying to design in your mind, the kind of prison you'd enjoy living in "
Does he think he’d pull with the percentage of male to female prisoners?
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Well gay men get locked up together in male prisons and have relationships
Gay women get locked up in female prisons and have relationships.. can't see the issue.
And why can't they have relationships after all.?
Sounds like you're trying to design in your mind, the kind of prison you'd enjoy living in
No need to mock please |
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Sounds like you're trying to design in your mind, the kind of prison you'd enjoy living in
I think it's a prison that many would like to live in and would benefit the prison population and possibly break the cycle of crime.. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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If you can step outside of Victorian values and take a look at prisons in Scandinavia you will find that they are interested in rehabilitating prisoners and allow them a lot of personal effects and such things as conjugal visits which might be a bit out there for all the lock em up and throw away the key brigade but it helps to stabilise the lives of what are often fairly petty criminals and keeps their families together which helps to reintegrate them into society instead of teaching them to be bigger and badder criminals like our, and to a much greater extent the USA’s prison system does. Oh and I am not defending what happened in this case as I think the individual concerned was a dangerous and violent person who should have had a formal psychiatric assessment to establish how dangerous he was and perhaps this was not acted upon with enough care. Also have any of you looked at the number of transgender women who have committed suicide after being placed in male prisons? Jenny Swift in HMP Doncaster, Marie Dean in HMP Preston are two that were quite high profile! |
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"Personally, I think trans-women offenders should only be let into women's prisons if they are full post-op, and volunteer for chemical castration.ok so whats ur worldly wise thoughts on what should happen to trans men and jail ??
They would go into a male prison? I'm sure there's enough bumfuckery going on in men's prisons for the risks to a former woman to be negligible. "
What does any of that even mean? Except as a demonstration that you probably aren’t very accepting of trans people or homosexuality |
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"We need solutions for people who are a danger to others, whatever their gender. We can then remove transgender aspects from the discussion "
Not without presenting a few solutions. The average male upper body is 30% stronger than the average female upper body. Currently no prison system in the world has any way of dealing with the fact that some of its prisoners are 30%+ stronger than others, predation is just accepted as part of how shitty prison life is. It would be great if there is a solution to that problem but nobody has come up with anything to my knowledge. |
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"We need solutions for people who are a danger to others, whatever their gender. We can then remove transgender aspects from the discussion
Not without presenting a few solutions. The average male upper body is 30% stronger than the average female upper body. Currently no prison system in the world has any way of dealing with the fact that some of its prisoners are 30%+ stronger than others, predation is just accepted as part of how shitty prison life is. It would be great if there is a solution to that problem but nobody has come up with anything to my knowledge. "
Bring back execution and start lobotomising people who commit violent offences. Castrate sex offenders.
There’s your workable solution to reduce the prison population, meaning genuine rehabilitation can take place.
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Personally, I think trans-women offenders should only be let into women's prisons if they are full post-op, and volunteer for chemical castration."
Wouldn't that just be a waste of chemicals? |
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By (user no longer on site)
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A man, who has a history of raping/sexual assaulting other men, is still put in a male prison
A women, with a history of raping/sexual assaulting other women, is still put in a female prison.
This thread is concerning itself with someone's gender and making it a trans issue when actually it should be about how the prison system copes with sex offenders. |
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Karen White, as much as she was a Trans woman or claimed to be, She wasn't under any hormone treatment or transition and as much as we have a right to safety, anyone who is like Karen should be a example that mid early transitionee’s need to be placed in solitary confinement away from other prisoner especially when they play a huge risk to females already.
My friend was put in a male prison, was transitioning, was on hormones, had surgery on her face and boobs and body and yet, she was placed in a male prison and was nearly r@ped. Took ministry to intervene before they got her out, so frankly, i don't understand how someone like karen even got into a female prison when he wasn't transitioning in the slightest physically.
Trans women under HRT Regime become more brittle, lose strength and their sexual characteristics change. A HRT requirement also needs to play a part in jailing a Trans person and what jail they go to.
Most younger Trans women have a completely different body mass and sexuality to a older Trans woman. A older Trans woman pre HRT has a stronger body mass. I think with older Trans women Pre HRT, more safety checks need to be done as some have not started a physical transition sometimes. If the said person however is on long term hormones, they should have the security to be placed in a
segregation wing for their safety - that goes for any Trans woman depending on prison they are sentenced.
This IS NOT a representation of all trans women so please cut the shit. This is a problem with G4S. This is their fuck up, not trans women. I strongly agree Karen should never have been placed in a female prison to begin with. Nor' a male. She played a risk to both. Security confinement prison is where she should have been sent |
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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago
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"The courts didn't want to send him to a mens prison in case they offended him"
The courts only set the punishment; it is the prison service that determines the how and where.
A hideous error in this case. |
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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago
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Another thing that stands out here to me is a life sentence and eligible for parole after nine and a half years. Why bother calling it life?
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Because when eventually they do return to the community, it will be on licence for the remainder of their life, i.e. they can be re-incarcerated if they breach the terms of their licence.
I imagine, too, this individual will be on the sex offenders register until they perish. At least I hope so.
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"White sexually assaulted two inmates. The r*pes were prior offences.
I'm all for transwomen serving sentences in female prisons. But when the prisoner has a history of sexual offences this seems like a fuck up of the highest order. At the very least the prison service has messed up by leaving White unsupervised and able to do this.
Murderers on the whole do not get a chance to commit murder in jail. Violent offenders ideally the same. I would hold the prison service responsible for this rather than the judge that sent White to a women's prison.
Naturally there will no doubt be an outcry now demanding that only genetic women serve time in women's gaols.
Another thing that stands out here to me is a life sentence and eligible for parole after nine and a half years. Why bother calling it life?
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Nope. The reform hearing, I have expressed my views how to deal with the prison service in my statement. I think Lord is throwing a few point's. I've stated under mandatory law, if a new bill was to be passed, any pre transitioner's not on Hormone therapy should be placed in segregation no if's no buts. HRT changes strength, body mass, bone brittle and sexual characteristics after 2+ years. I've stated a 2 year requirement to be placed onto a wing and must not have previous harm to males/females/or people in general or any sexual offences against them either. When G4S feel's segregation of a long serving prisoner is ready, to there discretion can they then implement said prisoner onto a wing if they chose too and decide too. Let's hope Theresa is in favour of this |
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"Karen white has been jailed for life after r***ing two female inmates while on remand awaiting trial for other offences
My head is struggling to understand how a guy who had a history of sexual offences is put into a female prison.
Someone help me "
Because they’d rather risk him offending in prison than risk offending the PC brigade. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"A man, who has a history of raping/sexual assaulting other men, is still put in a male prison
A women, with a history of raping/sexual assaulting other women, is still put in a female prison.
This thread is concerning itself with someone's gender and making it a trans issue when actually it should be about how the prison system copes with sex offenders. "
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