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I don't really understand this trend of adding the word "shaming" after things to make them sound bad. Examples include:
Fat shaming, body shaming, slut shaming, loud-passenger shaming, stranger shaming, victim shaming, parent shaming and so on.
It's not that i think all of these are ok (nothing wrong with sluts in my opinion), but there seems to be an implication that shaming anything is bad, which strikes me as bizzare. Of the easier examples, being a loud passenger on a train is a twatish thing to be, it's not the person who calls it out that needs to be embarrassed. It's the anti-social cunt who needs to be shamed into changing their ways. The alternative would surely to make laws against all shameful behaviour, that doesn't sound appealing.
I think shame plays a vital role in enforcing pro-social behaviour. Is a shameless society really desirable? |
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"People don't like being told off. It's not their fault, it's everyone else's fault. "
It's interesting to contrast talking to asian people and British. A lot of the time, asians won't do something because of the shame. Not that anything bad would happen to them beyond being shamed. But western people seem to have developed an implicit belief that nobody should shame anyone. |
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If that person films them being loud on the train then posts it online,that makes them a teat imo.Just grow some balls and ask them to be quiet.
It's far to cowardly to do shaming online. |
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"People don't like being told off. It's not their fault, it's everyone else's fault.
It's interesting to contrast talking to asian people and British. A lot of the time, asians won't do something because of the shame. Not that anything bad would happen to them beyond being shamed. But western people seem to have developed an implicit belief that nobody should shame anyone. "
Have both communities gone to the extremes? Feels like somewhere in the middle would be best.
It seems to have flipped entirely the wrong way here. Seems like shaming someone for being an arsehole now eclipses what the arsehole person did.  |
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"If that person films them being loud on the train then posts it online,that makes them a teat imo.Just grow some balls and ask them to be quiet.
It's far to cowardly to do shaming online."
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"People don't like being told off. It's not their fault, it's everyone else's fault.
It's interesting to contrast talking to asian people and British. A lot of the time, asians won't do something because of the shame. Not that anything bad would happen to them beyond being shamed. But western people seem to have developed an implicit belief that nobody should shame anyone.
Have both communities gone to the extremes? Feels like somewhere in the middle would be best.
It seems to have flipped entirely the wrong way here. Seems like shaming someone for being an arsehole now eclipses what the arsehole person did. "
Exactly! Most my Asian experience is china and I wouldn't call that an extreme. I think the extremes would be found in the middle east really or when you get to honour killing level. In China it's more like, if you marry the wrong person then your parents let you know about it - rather than cut your head off. |
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It's a trend that's influenced our language in a new way, that most people can understand.
It's fine to turn the tables on those who spread hate against people who aren't affecting others - typically the haters hit on groups/identities. I'm not tolerant of anti-social behaviour, which is fine to be called out. Neither am I tolerant of this particular type of it, where haters condemn groups etc.
It's a reasonable use of language I think too
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"People don't like being told off. It's not their fault, it's everyone else's fault.
It's interesting to contrast talking to asian people and British. A lot of the time, asians won't do something because of the shame. Not that anything bad would happen to them beyond being shamed. But western people seem to have developed an implicit belief that nobody should shame anyone.
Have both communities gone to the extremes? Feels like somewhere in the middle would be best.
It seems to have flipped entirely the wrong way here. Seems like shaming someone for being an arsehole now eclipses what the arsehole person did. "
The difference is that a clip uploaded to the internet never goes away.
Someone may well act like an idiot, and they may well learn the error of their ways.
That uploaded shaming clip is there forever.
Think of a time when you've acted like an arsehole, might have been recently, might have been younger.
Would you be happy for a clip of that to be out there for all time?
Probably not. |
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"People don't like being told off. It's not their fault, it's everyone else's fault.
It's interesting to contrast talking to asian people and British. A lot of the time, asians won't do something because of the shame. Not that anything bad would happen to them beyond being shamed. But western people seem to have developed an implicit belief that nobody should shame anyone.
Have both communities gone to the extremes? Feels like somewhere in the middle would be best.
It seems to have flipped entirely the wrong way here. Seems like shaming someone for being an arsehole now eclipses what the arsehole person did.
The difference is that a clip uploaded to the internet never goes away.
Someone may well act like an idiot, and they may well learn the error of their ways.
That uploaded shaming clip is there forever.
Think of a time when you've acted like an arsehole, might have been recently, might have been younger.
Would you be happy for a clip of that to be out there for all time?
Probably not."
Good point, I was thinking of 'shaming' meaning in a different way.
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"People don't like being told off. It's not their fault, it's everyone else's fault.
It's interesting to contrast talking to asian people and British. A lot of the time, asians won't do something because of the shame. Not that anything bad would happen to them beyond being shamed. But western people seem to have developed an implicit belief that nobody should shame anyone.
Have both communities gone to the extremes? Feels like somewhere in the middle would be best.
It seems to have flipped entirely the wrong way here. Seems like shaming someone for being an arsehole now eclipses what the arsehole person did.
The difference is that a clip uploaded to the internet never goes away.
Someone may well act like an idiot, and they may well learn the error of their ways.
That uploaded shaming clip is there forever.
Think of a time when you've acted like an arsehole, might have been recently, might have been younger.
Would you be happy for a clip of that to be out there for all time?
Probably not."
I think that's a very good point but i don't see the objection being phrased in that way. It seems they are saying "don't put it online because it's wrong to make any judgement of the behaviour". But i very much like your logic of "don't put it online because that bad behaviour may not represent them fairly". |
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By *rsSBWoman
over a year ago
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I find that, in general, British and American people have a tendency of labelling people, that creates segregation . Also some people use shaming others as a way to feel better about themselves.
Me personally I don't care of there opinion , except for my family and closed friends |
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By *rsSBWoman
over a year ago
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"It's a trend that's influenced our language in a new way, that most people can understand.
It's fine to turn the tables on those who spread hate against people who aren't affecting others - typically the haters hit on groups/identities. I'm not tolerant of anti-social behaviour, which is fine to be called out. Neither am I tolerant of this particular type of it, where haters condemn groups etc.
It's a reasonable use of language I think too
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So the parent shaming as an example. The kids are running around screaming in a restaurant. Dangerous for waiters with hot food and annoying for other customers.
Can't say anything to the parents. Can't parent shame. |
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"I find that, in general, British and American people have a tendency of labelling people, that creates segregation . Also some people use shaming others as a way to feel better about themselves.
Me personally I don't care of there opinion , except for my family and closed friends"
We are inherently segregated societies compared to asian countries. Because we 'tolerate' such a broad range of ideas, then we tend to clash in public spaces more often because of difference of opinion about what is acceptable. |
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"My mum was big on shame. She's still pretty keen on it. Woe betide a wife who's husband goes out in a less than pristine shirt  "
I have a friend who had a mum like that and he notices every wrinkle in my clothes. Personally i don't see the point in ironing, it all evens out after you wear it for an hour |
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By *rsSBWoman
over a year ago
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"I find that, in general, British and American people have a tendency of labelling people, that creates segregation . Also some people use shaming others as a way to feel better about themselves.
Me personally I don't care of there opinion , except for my family and closed friends
We are inherently segregated societies compared to asian countries. Because we 'tolerate' such a broad range of ideas, then we tend to clash in public spaces more often because of difference of opinion about what is acceptable. "
I'm from Spain and there is completely different. Starts in school as kids are kids, no boys vs girls, no jocks vs geeks , etc |
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"I find that, in general, British and American people have a tendency of labelling people, that creates segregation . Also some people use shaming others as a way to feel better about themselves.
Me personally I don't care of there opinion , except for my family and closed friends
We are inherently segregated societies compared to asian countries. Because we 'tolerate' such a broad range of ideas, then we tend to clash in public spaces more often because of difference of opinion about what is acceptable.
I'm from Spain and there is completely different. Starts in school as kids are kids, no boys vs girls, no jocks vs geeks , etc"
Not quite sure the catalans would agree with that |
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over a year ago
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"I find that, in general, British and American people have a tendency of labelling people, that creates segregation . Also some people use shaming others as a way to feel better about themselves.
Me personally I don't care of there opinion , except for my family and closed friends
We are inherently segregated societies compared to asian countries. Because we 'tolerate' such a broad range of ideas, then we tend to clash in public spaces more often because of difference of opinion about what is acceptable.
I'm from Spain and there is completely different. Starts in school as kids are kids, no boys vs girls, no jocks vs geeks , etc
Not quite sure the catalans would agree with that "
I'm Catalan  |
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"You are referring to a minority that make a lot of noise about wanting independence
As a society Catalan and rest of Spain, don't segregate. "
In not clued up on the details. As an anology, I wouldn't say Hong Kong and China are homogeneous despite being in the same country. |
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There also a thin line between shaming and bullying.
I read an interview recently with a woman who was shamed for having the temerity to be eating food in public , and being a larger woman.
A guy filmed her and uploaded it on the internet, and other shaming/bullying idiots posted their comments too.
The poor woman was so "shamed" she developed a huge anxiety about going out in public, and also became severely depressed.
Sad.
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Do you think in general people are more shameless now, than they were before I think there is a general trend towards a decay in standards. I don’t know what’s to blame for that ?!
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"Do you think in general people are more shameless now, than they were before I think there is a general trend towards a decay in standards. I don’t know what’s to blame for that ?!
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did you know your penis is on show? |
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"Do you think in general people are more shameless now, than they were before I think there is a general trend towards a decay in standards. I don’t know what’s to blame for that ?!
did you know your penis is on show?"
Yes, I’m a shameless cunt. |
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"I don't really understand this trend of adding the word "shaming" after things to make them sound bad. Examples include:
Fat shaming, body shaming, slut shaming, loud-passenger shaming, stranger shaming, victim shaming, parent shaming and so on.
It's not that i think all of these are ok (nothing wrong with sluts in my opinion), but there seems to be an implication that shaming anything is bad, which strikes me as bizzare. Of the easier examples, being a loud passenger on a train is a twatish thing to be, it's not the person who calls it out that needs to be embarrassed. It's the anti-social cunt who needs to be shamed into changing their ways. The alternative would surely to make laws against all shameful behaviour, that doesn't sound appealing.
I think shame plays a vital role in enforcing pro-social behaviour. Is a shameless society really desirable? "
So, you're okay with insulting and belittling your fellow humans? |
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"I don't really understand this trend of adding the word "shaming" after things to make them sound bad. Examples include:
Fat shaming, body shaming, slut shaming, loud-passenger shaming, stranger shaming, victim shaming, parent shaming and so on.
It's not that i think all of these are ok (nothing wrong with sluts in my opinion), but there seems to be an implication that shaming anything is bad, which strikes me as bizzare. Of the easier examples, being a loud passenger on a train is a twatish thing to be, it's not the person who calls it out that needs to be embarrassed. It's the anti-social cunt who needs to be shamed into changing their ways. The alternative would surely to make laws against all shameful behaviour, that doesn't sound appealing.
I think shame plays a vital role in enforcing pro-social behaviour. Is a shameless society really desirable?
So, you're okay with insulting and belittling your fellow humans?"
You make it sound like a bad thing! |
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"Do you think in general people are more shameless now, than they were before I think there is a general trend towards a decay in standards. I don’t know what’s to blame for that ?!
did you know your penis is on show?
Yes, I’m a shameless cunt. "
Shame on you! |
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"Do you think in general people are more shameless now, than they were before I think there is a general trend towards a decay in standards. I don’t know what’s to blame for that ?!
did you know your penis is on show?
Yes, I’m a shameless cunt. "
I know the Kardashian's are accelerating the process |
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I don't want to live in an Orwellian world of somebody high up deciding on what's right or wrong, what's hurtful, what's offensive, what's shameful.
We're all born free, free to be offended, free to be ashamed, free to be right or wrong.
People are far too quick to jump to societal problems rather than look within, I'd rather be offended every day as a free person than live a life as a child needing constant protection from the state. |
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"Do you think in general people are more shameless now, than they were before I think there is a general trend towards a decay in standards. I don’t know what’s to blame for that ?!
did you know your penis is on show?
Yes, I’m a shameless cunt.
I know the Kardashian's are accelerating the process "
How, to me and to most people they are a total irrevelance ?! |
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i keep opinions mostly to myself now as i have the fear of being cast from society and mobs outside my door demanding i be burnt at the stake.
sad really, as conversation and communication is an important part of life.
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"Do you think in general people are more shameless now, than they were before I think there is a general trend towards a decay in standards. I don’t know what’s to blame for that ?!
did you know your penis is on show?
Yes, I’m a shameless cunt.
I know the Kardashian's are accelerating the process
How, to me and to most people they are a total irrevelance ?! "
Me too. Think ones called Kim. That’s literally all I know about them! Oh and married to Kanye West isn’t she? That’s my knowledge on them. |
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"Do you think in general people are more shameless now, than they were before I think there is a general trend towards a decay in standards. I don’t know what’s to blame for that ?!
did you know your penis is on show?
Yes, I’m a shameless cunt.
I know the Kardashian's are accelerating the process
How, to me and to most people they are a total irrevelance ?! "
The woman who won the reddit title of most entitled woman every, was shown to start out as a nice farm girl whose life entered a downwards spiral after she became obsessed with the Kardashian's. It's stories like hers that lead people to extrapolate that standards are on the decline, when in many ways they are actually on the up. |
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"I don't really understand this trend of adding the word "shaming" after things to make them sound bad. Examples include:
Fat shaming, body shaming, slut shaming, loud-passenger shaming, stranger shaming, victim shaming, parent shaming and so on.
It's not that i think all of these are ok (nothing wrong with sluts in my opinion), but there seems to be an implication that shaming anything is bad, which strikes me as bizzare. Of the easier examples, being a loud passenger on a train is a twatish thing to be, it's not the person who calls it out that needs to be embarrassed. It's the anti-social cunt who needs to be shamed into changing their ways. The alternative would surely to make laws against all shameful behaviour, that doesn't sound appealing.
I think shame plays a vital role in enforcing pro-social behaviour. Is a shameless society really desirable? "
Are you shame shaming? |
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"I don't really understand this trend of adding the word "shaming" after things to make them sound bad. Examples include:
Fat shaming, body shaming, slut shaming, loud-passenger shaming, stranger shaming, victim shaming, parent shaming and so on.
It's not that i think all of these are ok (nothing wrong with sluts in my opinion), but there seems to be an implication that shaming anything is bad, which strikes me as bizzare. Of the easier examples, being a loud passenger on a train is a twatish thing to be, it's not the person who calls it out that needs to be embarrassed. It's the anti-social cunt who needs to be shamed into changing their ways. The alternative would surely to make laws against all shameful behaviour, that doesn't sound appealing.
I think shame plays a vital role in enforcing pro-social behaviour. Is a shameless society really desirable?
Are you shame shaming?"
Exactly, it could start a feedback loop that breaks the internet |
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"I don't really understand this trend of adding the word "shaming" after things to make them sound bad. Examples include:
Fat shaming, body shaming, slut shaming, loud-passenger shaming, stranger shaming, victim shaming, parent shaming and so on.
It's not that i think all of these are ok (nothing wrong with sluts in my opinion), but there seems to be an implication that shaming anything is bad, which strikes me as bizzare. Of the easier examples, being a loud passenger on a train is a twatish thing to be, it's not the person who calls it out that needs to be embarrassed. It's the anti-social cunt who needs to be shamed into changing their ways. The alternative would surely to make laws against all shameful behaviour, that doesn't sound appealing.
I think shame plays a vital role in enforcing pro-social behaviour. Is a shameless society really desirable?
Are you shame shaming?
Exactly, it could start a feedback loop that breaks the internet "
You’re so Kim K’s butt.  |
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"I don't really understand this trend of adding the word "shaming" after things to make them sound bad. Examples include:
Fat shaming, body shaming, slut shaming, loud-passenger shaming, stranger shaming, victim shaming, parent shaming and so on.
It's not that i think all of these are ok (nothing wrong with sluts in my opinion), but there seems to be an implication that shaming anything is bad, which strikes me as bizzare. Of the easier examples, being a loud passenger on a train is a twatish thing to be, it's not the person who calls it out that needs to be embarrassed. It's the anti-social cunt who needs to be shamed into changing their ways. The alternative would surely to make laws against all shameful behaviour, that doesn't sound appealing.
I think shame plays a vital role in enforcing pro-social behaviour. Is a shameless society really desirable?
Are you shame shaming?
Exactly, it could start a feedback loop that breaks the internet
You’re so Kim K’s butt. "
That sounds like an award trump would give out. "You're the 2018 Kim Ks butt of the internet, congratulations" |
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"I don't really understand this trend of adding the word "shaming" after things to make them sound bad. Examples include:
Fat shaming, body shaming, slut shaming, loud-passenger shaming, stranger shaming, victim shaming, parent shaming and so on.
It's not that i think all of these are ok (nothing wrong with sluts in my opinion), but there seems to be an implication that shaming anything is bad, which strikes me as bizzare. Of the easier examples, being a loud passenger on a train is a twatish thing to be, it's not the person who calls it out that needs to be embarrassed. It's the anti-social cunt who needs to be shamed into changing their ways. The alternative would surely to make laws against all shameful behaviour, that doesn't sound appealing.
I think shame plays a vital role in enforcing pro-social behaviour. Is a shameless society really desirable?
Are you shame shaming?
Exactly, it could start a feedback loop that breaks the internet
You’re so Kim K’s butt.
That sounds like an award trump would give out. "You're the 2018 Kim Ks butt of the internet, congratulations" "
Trump and butt should not be in the same sentence... |
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"Do you think in general people are more shameless now, than they were before I think there is a general trend towards a decay in standards. I don’t know what’s to blame for that ?!
did you know your penis is on show?
Yes, I’m a shameless cunt.
I know the Kardashian's are accelerating the process
How, to me and to most people they are a total irrevelance ?!
Me too. Think ones called Kim. That’s literally all I know about them! Oh and married to Kanye West isn’t she? That’s my knowledge on them. "
There was a most important newsflash that he is now called 'grunt' or something |
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Shame doesn't change the shameless. But you're right it can change behaviour of those who feel shamed.
Not necessarily in the way you want to change the person but they start to hide things so that you don't shame them, they are less likely to seek out help for changing also, or they even commit suicide because they can't handle their own feelings or how people are treating them (maybe both). |
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"Shame doesn't change the shameless. But you're right it can change behaviour of those who feel shamed.
Not necessarily in the way you want to change the person but they start to hide things so that you don't shame them, they are less likely to seek out help for changing also, or they even commit suicide because they can't handle their own feelings or how people are treating them (maybe both)."
Ok but an anti-social person who doesn't realise they are being anti-social, isn't going to change either are they? Some parents just raise feral kids. |
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"Shame doesn't change the shameless. But you're right it can change behaviour of those who feel shamed.
Not necessarily in the way you want to change the person but they start to hide things so that you don't shame them, they are less likely to seek out help for changing also, or they even commit suicide because they can't handle their own feelings or how people are treating them (maybe both).
Ok but an anti-social person who doesn't realise they are being anti-social, isn't going to change either are they? Some parents just raise feral kids. "
The the shaming is not going to do anything. Why can't you just ask them to be less anti-social? |
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"Shame doesn't change the shameless. But you're right it can change behaviour of those who feel shamed.
Not necessarily in the way you want to change the person but they start to hide things so that you don't shame them, they are less likely to seek out help for changing also, or they even commit suicide because they can't handle their own feelings or how people are treating them (maybe both).
Ok but an anti-social person who doesn't realise they are being anti-social, isn't going to change either are they? Some parents just raise feral kids.
The the shaming is not going to do anything. Why can't you just ask them to be less anti-social?"
I think it is. What if you ask them nicely and they respond with abuse. What's the next step? |
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"Shame doesn't change the shameless. But you're right it can change behaviour of those who feel shamed.
Not necessarily in the way you want to change the person but they start to hide things so that you don't shame them, they are less likely to seek out help for changing also, or they even commit suicide because they can't handle their own feelings or how people are treating them (maybe both).
Ok but an anti-social person who doesn't realise they are being anti-social, isn't going to change either are they? Some parents just raise feral kids.
The the shaming is not going to do anything. Why can't you just ask them to be less anti-social?
I think it is. What if you ask them nicely and they respond with abuse. What's the next step? "
Are you prepared for that? If not then why would you try to change them in the first place not knowing how to actually do that. |
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"Shame doesn't change the shameless. But you're right it can change behaviour of those who feel shamed.
Not necessarily in the way you want to change the person but they start to hide things so that you don't shame them, they are less likely to seek out help for changing also, or they even commit suicide because they can't handle their own feelings or how people are treating them (maybe both).
Ok but an anti-social person who doesn't realise they are being anti-social, isn't going to change either are they? Some parents just raise feral kids.
The the shaming is not going to do anything. Why can't you just ask them to be less anti-social?
I think it is. What if you ask them nicely and they respond with abuse. What's the next step?
Are you prepared for that? If not then why would you try to change them in the first place not knowing how to actually do that."
Essentially it's a final act of definance. A refusal to accept their standard, but working within the reality that we live in one of the most liberal societies on earth and shitty people make shitty decisions. |
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"Shame doesn't change the shameless. But you're right it can change behaviour of those who feel shamed.
Not necessarily in the way you want to change the person but they start to hide things so that you don't shame them, they are less likely to seek out help for changing also, or they even commit suicide because they can't handle their own feelings or how people are treating them (maybe both).
Ok but an anti-social person who doesn't realise they are being anti-social, isn't going to change either are they? Some parents just raise feral kids.
The the shaming is not going to do anything. Why can't you just ask them to be less anti-social?
I think it is. What if you ask them nicely and they respond with abuse. What's the next step?
Are you prepared for that? If not then why would you try to change them in the first place not knowing how to actually do that.
Essentially it's a final act of definance. A refusal to accept their standard, but working within the reality that we live in one of the most liberal societies on earth and shitty people make shitty decisions. "
Name calling isn't a good defence for your argument unfortunately.
If you want people to change you have to make them want to change and for it to be beneficial for them to do so.
So they abuse and defy you, you went in with the wrong tact. |
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"Shame doesn't change the shameless. But you're right it can change behaviour of those who feel shamed.
Not necessarily in the way you want to change the person but they start to hide things so that you don't shame them, they are less likely to seek out help for changing also, or they even commit suicide because they can't handle their own feelings or how people are treating them (maybe both).
Ok but an anti-social person who doesn't realise they are being anti-social, isn't going to change either are they? Some parents just raise feral kids.
The the shaming is not going to do anything. Why can't you just ask them to be less anti-social?
I think it is. What if you ask them nicely and they respond with abuse. What's the next step?
Are you prepared for that? If not then why would you try to change them in the first place not knowing how to actually do that.
Essentially it's a final act of definance. A refusal to accept their standard, but working within the reality that we live in one of the most liberal societies on earth and shitty people make shitty decisions.
Name calling isn't a good defence for your argument unfortunately.
If you want people to change you have to make them want to change and for it to be beneficial for them to do so.
So they abuse and defy you, you went in with the wrong tact."
I don't though, it's not my job to correct other people's shitty life decisions. You assume that there is some magic combination of words to resolve any anti-social behaviour. I assert that there isn't. Many people grow up feral without even being introduced to the concept of social responsibility and they act like animals. There is nothing you can say to them once they hit that stage. So a mean tweet or a good rant on Facebook is all we have. |
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"Shame doesn't change the shameless. But you're right it can change behaviour of those who feel shamed.
Not necessarily in the way you want to change the person but they start to hide things so that you don't shame them, they are less likely to seek out help for changing also, or they even commit suicide because they can't handle their own feelings or how people are treating them (maybe both).
Ok but an anti-social person who doesn't realise they are being anti-social, isn't going to change either are they? Some parents just raise feral kids.
The the shaming is not going to do anything. Why can't you just ask them to be less anti-social?
I think it is. What if you ask them nicely and they respond with abuse. What's the next step?
Are you prepared for that? If not then why would you try to change them in the first place not knowing how to actually do that.
Essentially it's a final act of definance. A refusal to accept their standard, but working within the reality that we live in one of the most liberal societies on earth and shitty people make shitty decisions.
Name calling isn't a good defence for your argument unfortunately.
If you want people to change you have to make them want to change and for it to be beneficial for them to do so.
So they abuse and defy you, you went in with the wrong tact.
I don't though, it's not my job to correct other people's shitty life decisions. You assume that there is some magic combination of words to resolve any anti-social behaviour. I assert that there isn't. Many people grow up feral without even being introduced to the concept of social responsibility and they act like animals. There is nothing you can say to them once they hit that stage. So a mean tweet or a good rant on Facebook is all we have. "
No there's no words. But a lot of anti-social behaviour is more complicated than being brought up feral.
Do you think there is a link to he increase in poverty to the rise in violent crime for example? The correlation is certainly there.
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"i keep opinions mostly to myself now as i have the fear of being cast from society and mobs outside my door demanding i be burnt at the stake.
sad really, as conversation and communication is an important part of life.
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Yep woe betide anyone who voices a difference of opinion on social media to what is seen as the "correct" way of thinking, particularly around politics. I don't have any extreme views one way or the other but I've still been on the receiving end of some vile comments from those who proclaim to be tolerant, compassionate and inclusive, just for having a different view to them. |
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"Shame doesn't change the shameless. But you're right it can change behaviour of those who feel shamed.
Not necessarily in the way you want to change the person but they start to hide things so that you don't shame them, they are less likely to seek out help for changing also, or they even commit suicide because they can't handle their own feelings or how people are treating them (maybe both).
Ok but an anti-social person who doesn't realise they are being anti-social, isn't going to change either are they? Some parents just raise feral kids.
The the shaming is not going to do anything. Why can't you just ask them to be less anti-social?
I think it is. What if you ask them nicely and they respond with abuse. What's the next step?
Are you prepared for that? If not then why would you try to change them in the first place not knowing how to actually do that.
Essentially it's a final act of definance. A refusal to accept their standard, but working within the reality that we live in one of the most liberal societies on earth and shitty people make shitty decisions.
Name calling isn't a good defence for your argument unfortunately.
If you want people to change you have to make them want to change and for it to be beneficial for them to do so.
So they abuse and defy you, you went in with the wrong tact.
I don't though, it's not my job to correct other people's shitty life decisions. You assume that there is some magic combination of words to resolve any anti-social behaviour. I assert that there isn't. Many people grow up feral without even being introduced to the concept of social responsibility and they act like animals. There is nothing you can say to them once they hit that stage. So a mean tweet or a good rant on Facebook is all we have.
No there's no words. But a lot of anti-social behaviour is more complicated than being brought up feral.
Do you think there is a link to he increase in poverty to the rise in violent crime for example? The correlation is certainly there.
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Not to be pedantic but it's actually wealth inequality that is linked to crime, not poverty itself. If everyone is poor then it can be peaceful! However, I'm not really talking things that are crimes, more annoying like people having very loud conversations on their phone on a train for example. |
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"Not to be pedantic but it's actually wealth inequality that is linked to crime, not poverty itself. If everyone is poor then it can be peaceful! However, I'm not really talking things that are crimes, more annoying like people having very loud conversations on their phone on a train for example. "
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"Not to be pedantic but it's actually wealth inequality that is linked to crime, not poverty itself. If everyone is poor then it can be peaceful! However, I'm not really talking things that are crimes, more annoying like people having very loud conversations on their phone on a train for example.
Oh. Your use of the word feral confused me. "
Google "plane shaming" and see all the gross things feral people do on planes:
-giving each other a haircut
-using a potty in the aisle
-lots of pregnant looking men with their tops off
-people with gross feet sticking them up on the chairs next to people
-a guy who may or may not be asleep with his hand on his cock
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"Not to be pedantic but it's actually wealth inequality that is linked to crime, not poverty itself. If everyone is poor then it can be peaceful! However, I'm not really talking things that are crimes, more annoying like people having very loud conversations on their phone on a train for example.
Oh. Your use of the word feral confused me.
Google "plane shaming" and see all the gross things feral people do on planes:
-giving each other a haircut
-using a potty in the aisle
-lots of pregnant looking men with their tops off
-people with gross feet sticking them up on the chairs next to people
-a guy who may or may not be asleep with his hand on his cock
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I’m sure Poochiepoo will enlighten us whether this goes on, or whether it’s bollocks. |
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"Not to be pedantic but it's actually wealth inequality that is linked to crime, not poverty itself. If everyone is poor then it can be peaceful! However, I'm not really talking things that are crimes, more annoying like people having very loud conversations on their phone on a train for example.
Oh. Your use of the word feral confused me.
Google "plane shaming" and see all the gross things feral people do on planes:
-giving each other a haircut
-using a potty in the aisle
-lots of pregnant looking men with their tops off
-people with gross feet sticking them up on the chairs next to people
-a guy who may or may not be asleep with his hand on his cock
I’m sure Poochiepoo will enlighten us whether this goes on, or whether it’s bollocks. "
Photographic evidence is one Google search away. |
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"Not to be pedantic but it's actually wealth inequality that is linked to crime, not poverty itself. If everyone is poor then it can be peaceful! However, I'm not really talking things that are crimes, more annoying like people having very loud conversations on their phone on a train for example.
Oh. Your use of the word feral confused me.
Google "plane shaming" and see all the gross things feral people do on planes:
-giving each other a haircut
-using a potty in the aisle
-lots of pregnant looking men with their tops off
-people with gross feet sticking them up on the chairs next to people
-a guy who may or may not be asleep with his hand on his cock
I’m sure Poochiepoo will enlighten us whether this goes on, or whether it’s bollocks.
Photographic evidence is one Google search away. "
Nah, I’ll speak to someone who’s worked on an airline for 26 years, rather than just say society is broken cause of a few photos on Google. |
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"i keep opinions mostly to myself now as i have the fear of being cast from society and mobs outside my door demanding i be burnt at the stake.
sad really, as conversation and communication is an important part of life.
Yep woe betide anyone who voices a difference of opinion on social media to what is seen as the "correct" way of thinking, particularly around politics. I don't have any extreme views one way or the other but I've still been on the receiving end of some vile comments from those who proclaim to be tolerant, compassionate and inclusive, just for having a different view to them."
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"Not to be pedantic but it's actually wealth inequality that is linked to crime, not poverty itself. If everyone is poor then it can be peaceful! However, I'm not really talking things that are crimes, more annoying like people having very loud conversations on their phone on a train for example.
Oh. Your use of the word feral confused me.
Google "plane shaming" and see all the gross things feral people do on planes:
-giving each other a haircut
-using a potty in the aisle
-lots of pregnant looking men with their tops off
-people with gross feet sticking them up on the chairs next to people
-a guy who may or may not be asleep with his hand on his cock
I’m sure Poochiepoo will enlighten us whether this goes on, or whether it’s bollocks.
Photographic evidence is one Google search away.
Nah, I’ll speak to someone who’s worked on an airline for 26 years, rather than just say society is broken cause of a few photos on Google."
Pretty much anyone who had worked with the public will have horror stories. I worked in a place where a customer was pacing around, then he stopped, shook his trouser leg and a turd feel out the bottom |
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