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By *ce Winger OP Man
over a year ago
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On BBC 1 now, it's criminal how people dispose of plastics and the effect they have on the environment 
I hope this program educates some people to dispose of non bio degradable products in the future. |
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By *ce Winger OP Man
over a year ago
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"Even better to find every possible way not to use them"
I generally try to avoid buying pre packaged stuff, ie I buy all ma fruit & veg off the market and use paper bags. Even the meat that I buy off ma butcher, I tell him to use only 1 bag instead of tripple wrapping it like some do.  |
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"Even better to find every possible way not to use them
I generally try to avoid buying pre packaged stuff, ie I buy all ma fruit & veg off the market and use paper bags. Even the meat that I buy off ma butcher, I tell him to use only 1 bag instead of tripple wrapping it like some do. "
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over a year ago
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Jonas Salk (inventor of the Polio vaccine) wrote the following in his seminal book The New Reality
“We are at a completely unique moment in human history.
Population growth has been accelerating for centuries but that will not continue. Growth is now slowing and will, if current projections are accurate, level off by the end of the century
At this transition point in population growth, we are also at a point of change in human values. We are shifting from a time of limitless expansion, unrestricted use of resources, competition and independence to a new era of awareness of limits, sustainability, cooperation and interdependence.
We are at the point of inflection between those periods, and we are emerging into a new reality in which our relationship to each other and to the planet as a whole will be much different from what it has been.
As this shift occurs, we can expect tension and conflict, which we are seeing in every corner of our world. If we are to survive the current period of crisis, we will have to facilitate the change in values.
If we cling to the older values too long, we face grave consequences for our species and for the planet.
However, If we do make the transition, we will enter an era where there are, worldwide, greater levels of human health and satisfaction than ever before.”
Jonas Salk developed the polio vaccine in the early 1950's. He went on to found the Salk Institute for Biological Studies. In the last third of his life he wrote extensively about his ideas for an evolutionary philosophy based on natural principles.
Interesting that for biological organisms that when they reach the limits of growth they normally kill themselves off with their own pollution. But as conscious human beings we have an advantage and a disadvantage - our brains are capable of reversing that damage if we all work together towards common aims or fragmented we can destroy ourselves faster. |
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By *ce Winger OP Man
over a year ago
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"Jonas Salk (inventor of the Polio vaccine) wrote the following in his seminal book The New Reality
“We are at a completely unique moment in human history.
Population growth has been accelerating for centuries but that will not continue. Growth is now slowing and will, if current projections are accurate, level off by the end of the century
At this transition point in population growth, we are also at a point of change in human values. We are shifting from a time of limitless expansion, unrestricted use of resources, competition and independence to a new era of awareness of limits, sustainability, cooperation and interdependence.
We are at the point of inflection between those periods, and we are emerging into a new reality in which our relationship to each other and to the planet as a whole will be much different from what it has been.
As this shift occurs, we can expect tension and conflict, which we are seeing in every corner of our world. If we are to survive the current period of crisis, we will have to facilitate the change in values.
If we cling to the older values too long, we face grave consequences for our species and for the planet.
However, If we do make the transition, we will enter an era where there are, worldwide, greater levels of human health and satisfaction than ever before.”
Jonas Salk developed the polio vaccine in the early 1950's. He went on to found the Salk Institute for Biological Studies. In the last third of his life he wrote extensively about his ideas for an evolutionary philosophy based on natural principles.
Interesting that for biological organisms that when they reach the limits of growth they normally kill themselves off with their own pollution. But as conscious human beings we have an advantage and a disadvantage - our brains are capable of reversing that damage if we all work together towards common aims or fragmented we can destroy ourselves faster."
Nice post Doc, and too true
We need an invasion of plastic eating Zombies  |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Jonas Salk (inventor of the Polio vaccine) wrote the following in his seminal book The New Reality
“We are at a completely unique moment in human history.
Population growth has been accelerating for centuries but that will not continue. Growth is now slowing and will, if current projections are accurate, level off by the end of the century
At this transition point in population growth, we are also at a point of change in human values. We are shifting from a time of limitless expansion, unrestricted use of resources, competition and independence to a new era of awareness of limits, sustainability, cooperation and interdependence.
We are at the point of inflection between those periods, and we are emerging into a new reality in which our relationship to each other and to the planet as a whole will be much different from what it has been.
As this shift occurs, we can expect tension and conflict, which we are seeing in every corner of our world. If we are to survive the current period of crisis, we will have to facilitate the change in values.
If we cling to the older values too long, we face grave consequences for our species and for the planet.
However, If we do make the transition, we will enter an era where there are, worldwide, greater levels of human health and satisfaction than ever before.”
Jonas Salk developed the polio vaccine in the early 1950's. He went on to found the Salk Institute for Biological Studies. In the last third of his life he wrote extensively about his ideas for an evolutionary philosophy based on natural principles.
Interesting that for biological organisms that when they reach the limits of growth they normally kill themselves off with their own pollution. But as conscious human beings we have an advantage and a disadvantage - our brains are capable of reversing that damage if we all work together towards common aims or fragmented we can destroy ourselves faster.
Nice post Doc, and too true
We need an invasion of plastic eating Zombies "
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Jonas Salk (inventor of the Polio vaccine) wrote the following in his seminal book The New Reality
“We are at a completely unique moment in human history.
Population growth has been accelerating for centuries but that will not continue. Growth is now slowing and will, if current projections are accurate, level off by the end of the century
At this transition point in population growth, we are also at a point of change in human values. We are shifting from a time of limitless expansion, unrestricted use of resources, competition and independence to a new era of awareness of limits, sustainability, cooperation and interdependence.
We are at the point of inflection between those periods, and we are emerging into a new reality in which our relationship to each other and to the planet as a whole will be much different from what it has been.
As this shift occurs, we can expect tension and conflict, which we are seeing in every corner of our world. If we are to survive the current period of crisis, we will have to facilitate the change in values.
If we cling to the older values too long, we face grave consequences for our species and for the planet.
However, If we do make the transition, we will enter an era where there are, worldwide, greater levels of human health and satisfaction than ever before.”
Jonas Salk developed the polio vaccine in the early 1950's. He went on to found the Salk Institute for Biological Studies. In the last third of his life he wrote extensively about his ideas for an evolutionary philosophy based on natural principles.
Interesting that for biological organisms that when they reach the limits of growth they normally kill themselves off with their own pollution. But as conscious human beings we have an advantage and a disadvantage - our brains are capable of reversing that damage if we all work together towards common aims or fragmented we can destroy ourselves faster.
Nice post Doc, and too true
We need an invasion of plastic eating Zombies "
Hadn't they found/invented a plastic eating bacteria. Useful in theory but I bet there would be some horror movie ending to the whole experiment. |
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By *ce Winger OP Man
over a year ago
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"We need an invasion of plastic eating Zombies
Hadn't they found/invented a plastic eating bacteria. Useful in theory but I bet there would be some horror movie ending to the whole experiment. "
There are some plastics that are recyclable, but there are many others that generally cost too much for it to be financially viable.
I hope that we have recognised the problem before it gets too far out of hand. |
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In the 21st Century there is no need for non recyclable or repurposable plastics.
We already have the materials and ability to make this happen.
The WORLD needs to sit up and start taking notice and action! |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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I was very ignorant to the effects of throwing away plastic until I saw Blue Planet 2.
Now I hate buying the stuff and reuse plastic water bottles (which I only buy when I'm on the road) as much as possible. |
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By *ce Winger OP Man
over a year ago
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"I was very ignorant to the effects of throwing away plastic until I saw Blue Planet 2.
Now I hate buying the stuff and reuse plastic water bottles (which I only buy when I'm on the road) as much as possible."
I worked on the refurbishment of Derby Council House for nearly a year, it must have cost many millions of pounds for the entire project. They even reroofed the entire building without putting any solar panels on it, and there is no facility to refill your bottles with water, you have to go and buy a new one from the canteen ffs  |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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I hate the use of plastics in packaging it really annoys me. I can’t see why we can’t use cardboard or a similar recyclable alternative. I recycle everything in my house from food waste to packaging |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"let's ban useless plastic like mylar based glitter and micro beads.
What is going to replace plastic? Will remelting it really help sort out our potholes (Google it!)?"
Oxo-degradable plastics are a more realistic way forward (still not ideal) as an alternative to bio based plastics. |
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By *ce Winger OP Man
over a year ago
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"I hate the use of plastics in packaging it really annoys me. I can’t see why we can’t use cardboard or a similar recyclable alternative. I recycle everything in my house from food waste to packaging "
Am watching The Secret Of Landfill now on BBC 4, some of the things that you are encouraged to separate to be recycled, end up in landfill anyway |
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"I hate the use of plastics in packaging it really annoys me. I can’t see why we can’t use cardboard or a similar recyclable alternative. I recycle everything in my house from food waste to packaging
Am watching The Secret Of Landfill now on BBC 4, some of the things that you are encouraged to separate to be recycled, end up in landfill anyway "
Yep, and it’s a load of shit about separating certain things and washing etc. |
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By *ce Winger OP Man
over a year ago
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"were all to blame we all shop in supermarkets an d not small high st shops"
That's part of the problem I think. High St. shops are being driven out of business by supermarket chains who don't give a damn and are only after profit rather than protecting the environment.
Yeah charge 5p for a plastic bag, but how much more is actually wrapped in it when there's no need to? |
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"I was very ignorant to the effects of throwing away plastic until I saw Blue Planet 2.
Now I hate buying the stuff and reuse plastic water bottles (which I only buy when I'm on the road) as much as possible.
I worked on the refurbishment of Derby Council House for nearly a year, it must have cost many millions of pounds for the entire project. They even reroofed the entire building without putting any solar panels on it, and there is no facility to refill your bottles with water, you have to go and buy a new one from the canteen ffs "
There's no potable water source in the whole building? Not sure that's legal. |
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By *ce Winger OP Man
over a year ago
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"I was very ignorant to the effects of throwing away plastic until I saw Blue Planet 2.
Now I hate buying the stuff and reuse plastic water bottles (which I only buy when I'm on the road) as much as possible.
I worked on the refurbishment of Derby Council House for nearly a year, it must have cost many millions of pounds for the entire project. They even reroofed the entire building without putting any solar panels on it, and there is no facility to refill your bottles with water, you have to go and buy a new one from the canteen ffs
There's no potable water source in the whole building? Not sure that's legal. "
Well you can get water out of the toilet hand basins, but who wants to drink luke warm water? It wouldn't have cost them too much more just to have a tap where anyone has access to some cold running tap water, but that's Derby City Council for you I suppose  |
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By (user no longer on site)
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The little chick with all that plastic in his stomach really shocked me!
I do try my best to reuse plastic bottles as I drink a lot of sugar free flavoured water so can go through them a lot. I give them to my dad to use to water his plants.
More needs to be done though. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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I don’t see the need for us to buy water in bottles. When we pay so much for our water rates. I am also guilty of this occasionally but I do try to fill my water bottle daily. It’s bizarre why so many people buy bottled water when it’s in no way different to tap water. |
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I was telling someone about the huge patch of rubbish floating around the Pacific ocean...googled it to show them.
Apparently estimates in size are between 700,000 sq km (the size of Texas) to 15,000,000 sq km (the size of Russia)
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By *oodmessMan
over a year ago
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Such a saddening look at the world around us and the consequences we have on it and eventually ourselves. The presenter I found a little useless as there was no depth of thought. She seemed too stunned to dive anything more than a brief report on what she was seeing. |
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By *ce Winger OP Man
over a year ago
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"Such a saddening look at the world around us and the consequences we have on it and eventually ourselves. The presenter I found a little useless as there was no depth of thought. She seemed too stunned to dive anything more than a brief report on what she was seeing. "
She was probably a little overwhelmed by the scale of what is actually happening to our Planet, as indeed I would be. |
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"Such a saddening look at the world around us and the consequences we have on it and eventually ourselves. The presenter I found a little useless as there was no depth of thought. She seemed too stunned to dive anything more than a brief report on what she was seeing.
She was probably a little overwhelmed by the scale of what is actually happening to our Planet, as indeed I would be. "
Liz Bonnin, the presenter in question, is an accredited graduate biochemist and hold as masters in wildlife biology
Being a science presenter and a popular science author and co-author for books and magazines, much of the information is not new to her hence the report card like run off. Personally I'm surprised she teared up. |
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"Such a saddening look at the world around us and the consequences we have on it and eventually ourselves. The presenter I found a little useless as there was no depth of thought. She seemed too stunned to dive anything more than a brief report on what she was seeing.
She was probably a little overwhelmed by the scale of what is actually happening to our Planet, as indeed I would be.
Liz Bonnin, the presenter in question, is an accredited graduate biochemist and hold as masters in wildlife biology
Being a science presenter and a popular science author and co-author for books and magazines, much of the information is not new to her hence the report card like run off. Personally I'm surprised she teared up. "
I defy anyone not to when faced with a fatally lacerated seal pup for the first time. |
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I went diving in Indonesia about two years ago, just off shore was pretty disgusting (this is supposed to be a paradise).
By last year, it looked like it had almost doubled in visible quantity in some of the footage from the same dive spots- it won't be long before tourism to the area pretty much stops as nobody wants to swim in a shit tip. only when the tourist dollars drop to a certain level will something start getting done about keeping the rubbish out of the environment there.
We're not much better here- for all the recycling schemes and environmental based bollocks spouted in Westminster, we now have the threat of Fracking that the shower of shite in charge seem to be supporting.
Today, four people have been jailed for protesting against it... welcome to our wonderful democracy |
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By *ce Winger OP Man
over a year ago
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"Such a saddening look at the world around us and the consequences we have on it and eventually ourselves. The presenter I found a little useless as there was no depth of thought. She seemed too stunned to dive anything more than a brief report on what she was seeing.
She was probably a little overwhelmed by the scale of what is actually happening to our Planet, as indeed I would be.
Liz Bonnin, the presenter in question, is an accredited graduate biochemist and hold as masters in wildlife biology
Being a science presenter and a popular science author and co-author for books and magazines, much of the information is not new to her hence the report card like run off. Personally I'm surprised she teared up.
I defy anyone not to when faced with a fatally lacerated seal pup for the first time. "
Exactly, it's probably not the kind of that she nor any of us encounters on a daily basis. This is a worldwide problem, even though some countries are doing their best to alleviate it escalating, the problem will become much worse in the meantime unfortunately, which is quite a worry. |
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"I was very ignorant to the effects of throwing away plastic until I saw Blue Planet 2.
Now I hate buying the stuff and reuse plastic water bottles (which I only buy when I'm on the road) as much as possible.
I worked on the refurbishment of Derby Council House for nearly a year, it must have cost many millions of pounds for the entire project. They even reroofed the entire building without putting any solar panels on it, and there is no facility to refill your bottles with water, you have to go and buy a new one from the canteen ffs
There's no potable water source in the whole building? Not sure that's legal.
Well you can get water out of the toilet hand basins, but who wants to drink luke warm water? It wouldn't have cost them too much more just to have a tap where anyone has access to some cold running tap water, but that's Derby City Council for you I suppose "
They have to provide drinking water, by law.
Anyway that not really the point of this thread is it.
A couple of café's near me have become refill places where you can take your bottles to be filled with drinking water free of charge, reducing the need to buy new plastic bottles. |
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We can do our bit, why not start with not buying plastic bottles. Stop buying , sprite and bottled water. This could help with obesity issues too
The government then need to tax goods using plastics but this is big business so they won't |
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By *ce Winger OP Man
over a year ago
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"They have to provide drinking water, by law.
Anyway that not really the point of this thread is it.
A couple of café's near me have become refill places where you can take your bottles to be filled with drinking water free of charge, reducing the need to buy new plastic bottles. "
I didn't know that was the Law, but I remember when there were drinking fountains at various places in town, what ever happened to them? |
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This just highlights one of the problems we are facing throughout the world. If we look at plastic as this program did / does I believe the big problem is, and this was picked up on towards the end of the program, micro plastics. This is a huge problem and is becoming full circle by ending up back in the food we eat.
If anyone interested in more research don’t feed the fish.
When are we going to learn natural is best. |
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I find it discussting when unpacking my weekly food shop. The amont of "extra" packing that goes straight in the bin / recycling.
My biggest pet hate is childrens toys. The amont of packing that "holds" the toy in place in the box. Don't get me started on the LOL doll range.
Even fruit/veg from super markets comes pre packed in plastic.
DISGUSTING. We as consumers need to enforce change! |
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"I find it discussting when unpacking my weekly food shop. The amont of "extra" packing that goes straight in the bin / recycling.
My biggest pet hate is childrens toys. The amont of packing that "holds" the toy in place in the box. Don't get me started on the LOL doll range.
Even fruit/veg from super markets comes pre packed in plastic.
DISGUSTING. We as consumers need to enforce change!"
Not all of it does. Thees mot's of fruit and veg that is loose for you to choose |
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By *ce Winger OP Man
over a year ago
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"We can do our bit, why not start with not buying plastic bottles. Stop buying , sprite and bottled water. This could help with obesity issues too
The government then need to tax goods using plastics but this is big business so they won't "
You have almost hit the nail on the head there, although obesity has absolutely nothing at all to do with this thread, so I agree that Governments throughout the world should come together and introduce some kind of solution before it gets out of hand |
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"On BBC 1 now, it's criminal how people dispose of plastics and the effect they have on the environment
I hope this program educates some people to dispose of non bio degradable products in the future. "
'They' could just stop making these plastics. 'They' could stop wrapping and packaging everything in so much plastic,that could be a better solution than putting things in the correct bin with no idea what happens to it after that.
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"On BBC 1 now, it's criminal how people dispose of plastics and the effect they have on the environment
I hope this program educates some people to dispose of non bio degradable products in the future.
'They' could just stop making these plastics. 'They' could stop wrapping and packaging everything in so much plastic,that could be a better solution than putting things in the correct bin with no idea what happens to it after that.
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Great idea what alternative packaging should they use? |
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"On BBC 1 now, it's criminal how people dispose of plastics and the effect they have on the environment
I hope this program educates some people to dispose of non bio degradable products in the future.
'They' could just stop making these plastics. 'They' could stop wrapping and packaging everything in so much plastic,that could be a better solution than putting things in the correct bin with no idea what happens to it after that.
Great idea what alternative packaging should they use?"
Paper, nothing, glass. There are quite a few innovations out there that biodegrade much better than plastic. Plant based packaging. |
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"On BBC 1 now, it's criminal how people dispose of plastics and the effect they have on the environment
I hope this program educates some people to dispose of non bio degradable products in the future.
'They' could just stop making these plastics. 'They' could stop wrapping and packaging everything in so much plastic,that could be a better solution than putting things in the correct bin with no idea what happens to it after that.
Great idea what alternative packaging should they use?
Paper, nothing, glass. There are quite a few innovations out there that biodegrade much better than plastic. Plant based packaging. "
Unfortunately paper you can't freeze effectively, glass has one of the highest carbon footprints about so which plant based packaging would work? |
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"The programme on landfill on bbc4 was really interesting too if anyone saw it.
If you look back up the thread I watched it as well. It was interesting to say the least. "
All those extra bacteria |
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Having visited a few waste transfer stations and power stations,it is absolutely staggering to see just how much waste material (of various types) goes into providing electricity.Some of that power is going to be used in factories which manufacture that plastic packaging.A vicious circle really but,what alternatives are there?
We can exploit the earth for coal,gas and oil but we all know the downsides of that,just as we know that nuclear power has certain disadvantages.Wind and wave power generation might seem to be the lesser evil but tell that to people living near a wind farm.
One possible solution (a fast expanding industry in fact) is biomass fuel.
This is basically growing huge forests and pulling up the wood to burn in power stations,not a perfect solution by any means but,at least we get a forest,temporarily and there is less reliance on burning household waste,one less justification for the manufacturers to keep making so much of this plastic. |
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"On BBC 1 now, it's criminal how people dispose of plastics and the effect they have on the environment
I hope this program educates some people to dispose of non bio degradable products in the future.
'They' could just stop making these plastics. 'They' could stop wrapping and packaging everything in so much plastic,that could be a better solution than putting things in the correct bin with no idea what happens to it after that.
Great idea what alternative packaging should they use?
Paper, nothing, glass. There are quite a few innovations out there that biodegrade much better than plastic. Plant based packaging.
Unfortunately paper you can't freeze effectively, glass has one of the highest carbon footprints about so which plant based packaging would work? "
How about a resurgence in the popularity of Tupperware? You can freeze things in those handy boxes and wash them out for 're use. A bit old fasioned maybe but surely better than a mountain of cling film.
How about a nice wicker shopping basket instead of plastic bags? |
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By *ce Winger OP Man
over a year ago
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"On BBC 1 now, it's criminal how people dispose of plastics and the effect they have on the environment
I hope this program educates some people to dispose of non bio degradable products in the future.
'They' could just stop making these plastics. 'They' could stop wrapping and packaging everything in so much plastic,that could be a better solution than putting things in the correct bin with no idea what happens to it after that.
Great idea what alternative packaging should they use?"
Paper or anything that's bio degradable, but not something that will end up in rivers, canals and eventually the oceans killing off our eco system in the long term |
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"On BBC 1 now, it's criminal how people dispose of plastics and the effect they have on the environment
I hope this program educates some people to dispose of non bio degradable products in the future.
'They' could just stop making these plastics. 'They' could stop wrapping and packaging everything in so much plastic,that could be a better solution than putting things in the correct bin with no idea what happens to it after that.
Great idea what alternative packaging should they use?
Paper, nothing, glass. There are quite a few innovations out there that biodegrade much better than plastic. Plant based packaging.
Unfortunately paper you can't freeze effectively, glass has one of the highest carbon footprints about so which plant based packaging would work? "
I don't know I've just seen things on Facebook about packaging made from plants 
How does paper not freeze effectively? Lots of frozen good are sold in cardboard boxes. |
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"On BBC 1 now, it's criminal how people dispose of plastics and the effect they have on the environment
I hope this program educates some people to dispose of non bio degradable products in the future.
'They' could just stop making these plastics. 'They' could stop wrapping and packaging everything in so much plastic,that could be a better solution than putting things in the correct bin with no idea what happens to it after that.
Great idea what alternative packaging should they use?
Paper, nothing, glass. There are quite a few innovations out there that biodegrade much better than plastic. Plant based packaging.
Unfortunately paper you can't freeze effectively, glass has one of the highest carbon footprints about so which plant based packaging would work?
How about a resurgence in the popularity of Tupperware? You can freeze things in those handy boxes and wash them out for 're use. A bit old fasioned maybe but surely better than a mountain of cling film.
How about a nice wicker shopping basket instead of plastic bags?"
Tupperware is plastic right? It also is not biodegradable as far as I know as they have dug it up in landfills to see what has not degraded. I like the wicker shopping basket idea but then they won't be cheep and the carbon footprint for transporting them is going to be huge compared to plastic bags and I cn't see people brining yoghurt, soup etc home from the supermarket. |
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"On BBC 1 now, it's criminal how people dispose of plastics and the effect they have on the environment
I hope this program educates some people to dispose of non bio degradable products in the future.
'They' could just stop making these plastics. 'They' could stop wrapping and packaging everything in so much plastic,that could be a better solution than putting things in the correct bin with no idea what happens to it after that.
Great idea what alternative packaging should they use?
Paper, nothing, glass. There are quite a few innovations out there that biodegrade much better than plastic. Plant based packaging.
Unfortunately paper you can't freeze effectively, glass has one of the highest carbon footprints about so which plant based packaging would work?
I don't know I've just seen things on Facebook about packaging made from plants
How does paper not freeze effectively? Lots of frozen good are sold in cardboard boxes. "
They are plastic coated cardboard boxes although you find some pizza ones arn't but them the pizza is shrink wrapped inside in plastic again. Paper is not impervious to liquid so unless coated goes soggy in the freezer. |
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By *ce Winger OP Man
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"On BBC 1 now, it's criminal how people dispose of plastics and the effect they have on the environment
I hope this program educates some people to dispose of non bio degradable products in the future.
'They' could just stop making these plastics. 'They' could stop wrapping and packaging everything in so much plastic,that could be a better solution than putting things in the correct bin with no idea what happens to it after that.
Great idea what alternative packaging should they use?
Paper, nothing, glass. There are quite a few innovations out there that biodegrade much better than plastic. Plant based packaging.
Unfortunately paper you can't freeze effectively, glass has one of the highest carbon footprints about so which plant based packaging would work?
I don't know I've just seen things on Facebook about packaging made from plants
How does paper not freeze effectively? Lots of frozen good are sold in cardboard boxes.
They are plastic coated cardboard boxes although you find some pizza ones arn't but them the pizza is shrink wrapped inside in plastic again. Paper is not impervious to liquid so unless coated goes soggy in the freezer. "
Things like that just get incinerated anyway, the point of the original OP was to highlight the amount of plastic that ends up in the rivers and seas around the World killing our natural resources and what we are we trying to do to protect them from our blindness in the future. |
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"On BBC 1 now, it's criminal how people dispose of plastics and the effect they have on the environment
I hope this program educates some people to dispose of non bio degradable products in the future.
'They' could just stop making these plastics. 'They' could stop wrapping and packaging everything in so much plastic,that could be a better solution than putting things in the correct bin with no idea what happens to it after that.
Great idea what alternative packaging should they use?
Paper, nothing, glass. There are quite a few innovations out there that biodegrade much better than plastic. Plant based packaging.
Unfortunately paper you can't freeze effectively, glass has one of the highest carbon footprints about so which plant based packaging would work?
I don't know I've just seen things on Facebook about packaging made from plants
How does paper not freeze effectively? Lots of frozen good are sold in cardboard boxes.
They are plastic coated cardboard boxes although you find some pizza ones arn't but them the pizza is shrink wrapped inside in plastic again. Paper is not impervious to liquid so unless coated goes soggy in the freezer.
Things like that just get incinerated anyway, the point of the original OP was to highlight the amount of plastic that ends up in the rivers and seas around the World killing our natural resources and what we are we trying to do to protect them from our blindness in the future."
Some of it does end up going to incinerators but not the black plastic food containers, not all the pots that people put in the normal bins I was pointing out that a lot of the alternatives people come up with are not viable or wouldn't work both on health and hygiene laws and making sure food dosn't perish.
Incinerating plastics creates lots of CO2 so its not the cure. Its all good and well pointing out about what is happening to the environment but standing and pointing dosn't stop the problem only viable alternatives may. |
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"We can do our bit, why not start with not buying plastic bottles. Stop buying , sprite and bottled water. This could help with obesity issues too
The government then need to tax goods using plastics but this is big business so they won't
You have almost hit the nail on the head there, although obesity has absolutely nothing at all to do with this thread, so I agree that Governments throughout the world should come together and introduce some kind of solution before it gets out of hand "
Its already out of hand. My daughter was trying to convince people 10 years ago that there were huge problems with waste and plastic. |
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By *ce Winger OP Man
over a year ago
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"On BBC 1 now, it's criminal how people dispose of plastics and the effect they have on the environment
I hope this program educates some people to dispose of non bio degradable products in the future.
'They' could just stop making these plastics. 'They' could stop wrapping and packaging everything in so much plastic,that could be a better solution than putting things in the correct bin with no idea what happens to it after that.
Great idea what alternative packaging should they use?
Paper, nothing, glass. There are quite a few innovations out there that biodegrade much better than plastic. Plant based packaging.
Unfortunately paper you can't freeze effectively, glass has one of the highest carbon footprints about so which plant based packaging would work?
I don't know I've just seen things on Facebook about packaging made from plants
How does paper not freeze effectively? Lots of frozen good are sold in cardboard boxes.
They are plastic coated cardboard boxes although you find some pizza ones arn't but them the pizza is shrink wrapped inside in plastic again. Paper is not impervious to liquid so unless coated goes soggy in the freezer.
Things like that just get incinerated anyway, the point of the original OP was to highlight the amount of plastic that ends up in the rivers and seas around the World killing our natural resources and what we are we trying to do to protect them from our blindness in the future.
Some of it does end up going to incinerators but not the black plastic food containers, not all the pots that people put in the normal bins I was pointing out that a lot of the alternatives people come up with are not viable or wouldn't work both on health and hygiene laws and making sure food dosn't perish.
Incinerating plastics creates lots of CO2 so its not the cure. Its all good and well pointing out about what is happening to the environment but standing and pointing dosn't stop the problem only viable alternatives may. "
I'm not standing and pointing, I was purely pointing out that too many plastic products end up in the oceans which are killing many thousands of innocent victims. Did you actually watch the program last night? |
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"On BBC 1 now, it's criminal how people dispose of plastics and the effect they have on the environment
I hope this program educates some people to dispose of non bio degradable products in the future.
'They' could just stop making these plastics. 'They' could stop wrapping and packaging everything in so much plastic,that could be a better solution than putting things in the correct bin with no idea what happens to it after that.
Great idea what alternative packaging should they use?
Paper, nothing, glass. There are quite a few innovations out there that biodegrade much better than plastic. Plant based packaging.
Unfortunately paper you can't freeze effectively, glass has one of the highest carbon footprints about so which plant based packaging would work?
I don't know I've just seen things on Facebook about packaging made from plants
How does paper not freeze effectively? Lots of frozen good are sold in cardboard boxes.
They are plastic coated cardboard boxes although you find some pizza ones arn't but them the pizza is shrink wrapped inside in plastic again. Paper is not impervious to liquid so unless coated goes soggy in the freezer.
Things like that just get incinerated anyway, the point of the original OP was to highlight the amount of plastic that ends up in the rivers and seas around the World killing our natural resources and what we are we trying to do to protect them from our blindness in the future.
Some of it does end up going to incinerators but not the black plastic food containers, not all the pots that people put in the normal bins I was pointing out that a lot of the alternatives people come up with are not viable or wouldn't work both on health and hygiene laws and making sure food dosn't perish.
Incinerating plastics creates lots of CO2 so its not the cure. Its all good and well pointing out about what is happening to the environment but standing and pointing dosn't stop the problem only viable alternatives may.
I'm not standing and pointing, I was purely pointing out that too many plastic products end up in the oceans which are killing many thousands of innocent victims. Did you actually watch the program last night? "
Did I watch the program? Do you understand the complex problems of hydrocarbons?
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Pointing the finger without a viable solution is not solving the problem sadly. |
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"Did you actually watch the program last night?
Did I watch the program? Do you understand the complex problems of hydrocarbons?
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Pointing the finger without a viable solution is not solving the problem sadly. "
Who am I Jeremy Paxman? Did you actually watch the program last night? |
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"Did you actually watch the program last night?
Did I watch the program? Do you understand the complex problems of hydrocarbons?
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Pointing the finger without a viable solution is not solving the problem sadly.
Who am I Jeremy Paxman? Did you actually watch the program last night?"
Sweetie I understand a lot more about the issues and the complexities involved and you harking on about if I did or didn't watch the program or the previous 10 documentaries aired on the same subject over the last few years. Less aggregation please its not necessity. So do you have a viable solution to the issue rather than just finger pointing? |
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"Did you actually watch the program last night?
Did I watch the program? Do you understand the complex problems of hydrocarbons?
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Pointing the finger without a viable solution is not solving the problem sadly.
Who am I Jeremy Paxman? Did you actually watch the program last night?
Sweetie I understand a lot more about the issues and the complexities involved and you harking on about if I did or didn't watch the program or the previous 10 documentaries aired on the same subject over the last few years. Less aggregation please its not necessity. So do you have a viable solution to the issue rather than just finger pointing?"
Did you actually watch the program?
And by the way I am nobody's "sweetie" |
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"Did you actually watch the program last night?
Did I watch the program? Do you understand the complex problems of hydrocarbons?
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Pointing the finger without a viable solution is not solving the problem sadly.
Who am I Jeremy Paxman? Did you actually watch the program last night?
Sweetie I understand a lot more about the issues and the complexities involved and you harking on about if I did or didn't watch the program or the previous 10 documentaries aired on the same subject over the last few years. Less aggregation please its not necessity. So do you have a viable solution to the issue rather than just finger pointing?
Did you actually watch the program?
And by the way I am nobody's "sweetie" "
Did you read what I put? Clearly not! |
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"let's ban useless plastic like mylar based glitter and micro beads.
What is going to replace plastic? Will remelting it really help sort out our potholes (Google it!)?
Oxo-degradable plastics are a more realistic way forward (still not ideal) as an alternative to bio based plastics. "
Yeah but if we keep pouring oxo into the sea it’ll just turn to gravy after a while. That’s no good at all, back to the drawing board eh |
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"let's ban useless plastic like mylar based glitter and micro beads.
What is going to replace plastic? Will remelting it really help sort out our potholes (Google it!)?
Oxo-degradable plastics are a more realistic way forward (still not ideal) as an alternative to bio based plastics.
Yeah but if we keep pouring oxo into the sea it’ll just turn to gravy after a while. That’s no good at all, back to the drawing board eh "
Lol not that sort of oxo its a polymer that contains metal salts that accelerate biodegradation. |
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"Even better to find every possible way not to use them"
Totally agree with this. For years and years I've not used plastic bags, don't by drink in plastic bottles unless there is no other choice...And yes there's more choice than one initially thinks. Public opinion can change industry and if people stopped buying products wrapped in plastic then industry would soon change.
A few of our modern illnesses are a direct cause from using plastics. |
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It wouldnt take much for us to do our own little bit (not preaching btw) just common sense, buy things with less packing, refills etc make comments of manufacturers websites, sign online petitions. I am not daft enough to think we will change an 'industry' but if we teach our children to think like this then maybe they can take it forward |
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"let's ban useless plastic like mylar based glitter and micro beads.
What is going to replace plastic? Will remelting it really help sort out our potholes (Google it!)?
Oxo-degradable plastics are a more realistic way forward (still not ideal) as an alternative to bio based plastics.
Yeah but if we keep pouring oxo into the sea it’ll just turn to gravy after a while. That’s no good at all, back to the drawing board eh
Lol not that sort of oxo its a polymer that contains metal salts that accelerate biodegradation. "
Hmmm I’m not a fan of metallic gravy, sounds awful. Why can’t they just leave things alone, oxo has had the same recipe for about 70 years and now they have to ruin it with metal salt, is nothing sacred any more  |
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over a year ago
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"Did you actually watch the program last night?
Did I watch the program? Do you understand the complex problems of hydrocarbons?
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Pointing the finger without a viable solution is not solving the problem sadly.
Who am I Jeremy Paxman? Did you actually watch the program last night?
Sweetie I understand a lot more about the issues and the complexities involved and you harking on about if I did or didn't watch the program or the previous 10 documentaries aired on the same subject over the last few years. Less aggregation please its not necessity. So do you have a viable solution to the issue rather than just finger pointing?
Did you actually watch the program?
And by the way I am nobody's "sweetie"
Did you read what I put? Clearly not! "
You a clearly some kind of politititan that can't answer either yes or no to a simple question, but instead decides to come out with their own burble |
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"Did you actually watch the program last night?
Did I watch the program? Do you understand the complex problems of hydrocarbons?
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Pointing the finger without a viable solution is not solving the problem sadly.
Who am I Jeremy Paxman? Did you actually watch the program last night?
Sweetie I understand a lot more about the issues and the complexities involved and you harking on about if I did or didn't watch the program or the previous 10 documentaries aired on the same subject over the last few years. Less aggregation please its not necessity. So do you have a viable solution to the issue rather than just finger pointing?
Did you actually watch the program?
And by the way I am nobody's "sweetie"
Did you read what I put? Clearly not!
You a clearly some kind of politititan that can't answer either yes or no to a simple question, but instead decides to come out with their own burble "
Hardly! You clearly haven't a solution as you go on and on about watching 1 specific tv program and your repetition is just boring. I watched it as I have seen another half a dozen on it some accurate some inaccurate due to different agendas.
Now answer my question though you seem unable to. Whats your solution to the issue? |
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over a year ago
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"Did you actually watch the program last night?
Did I watch the program? Do you understand the complex problems of hydrocarbons?
.
Pointing the finger without a viable solution is not solving the problem sadly.
Who am I Jeremy Paxman? Did you actually watch the program last night?
Sweetie I understand a lot more about the issues and the complexities involved and you harking on about if I did or didn't watch the program or the previous 10 documentaries aired on the same subject over the last few years. Less aggregation please its not necessity. So do you have a viable solution to the issue rather than just finger pointing?
Did you actually watch the program?
And by the way I am nobody's "sweetie"
Did you read what I put? Clearly not!
You a clearly some kind of politititan that can't answer either yes or no to a simple question, but instead decides to come out with their own burble
Hardly! You clearly haven't a solution as you go on and on about watching 1 specific tv program and your repetition is just boring. I watched it as I have seen another half a dozen on it some accurate some inaccurate due to different agendas.
Now answer my question though you seem unable to. Whats your solution to the issue?"
Hallelujah, you have at last answered my question
Well I don't have any long term solutions cos I used to work on building sites, and not in physics laboratories, but the original post was about raising awareness as to how we can stop what plastics we already have doing any more harm to the environment |
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"Did you actually watch the program last night?
Did I watch the program? Do you understand the complex problems of hydrocarbons?
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Pointing the finger without a viable solution is not solving the problem sadly.
Who am I Jeremy Paxman? Did you actually watch the program last night?
Sweetie I understand a lot more about the issues and the complexities involved and you harking on about if I did or didn't watch the program or the previous 10 documentaries aired on the same subject over the last few years. Less aggregation please its not necessity. So do you have a viable solution to the issue rather than just finger pointing?
Did you actually watch the program?
And by the way I am nobody's "sweetie"
Did you read what I put? Clearly not!
You a clearly some kind of politititan that can't answer either yes or no to a simple question, but instead decides to come out with their own burble
Hardly! You clearly haven't a solution as you go on and on about watching 1 specific tv program and your repetition is just boring. I watched it as I have seen another half a dozen on it some accurate some inaccurate due to different agendas.
Now answer my question though you seem unable to. Whats your solution to the issue?"
The solution is obvious, stop making the bloody stuff. Plastic was only invented not all that long ago and the world functioned perfectly well without it. There’s no point taxing it, that’s just a money spinner and solves nothing. Just ban the production and use of it. The world will find an alternative. |
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"Did you actually watch the program last night?
Did I watch the program? Do you understand the complex problems of hydrocarbons?
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Pointing the finger without a viable solution is not solving the problem sadly.
Who am I Jeremy Paxman? Did you actually watch the program last night?
Sweetie I understand a lot more about the issues and the complexities involved and you harking on about if I did or didn't watch the program or the previous 10 documentaries aired on the same subject over the last few years. Less aggregation please its not necessity. So do you have a viable solution to the issue rather than just finger pointing?
Did you actually watch the program?
And by the way I am nobody's "sweetie"
Did you read what I put? Clearly not!
You a clearly some kind of politititan that can't answer either yes or no to a simple question, but instead decides to come out with their own burble
Hardly! You clearly haven't a solution as you go on and on about watching 1 specific tv program and your repetition is just boring. I watched it as I have seen another half a dozen on it some accurate some inaccurate due to different agendas.
Now answer my question though you seem unable to. Whats your solution to the issue?
Hallelujah, you have at last answered my question
Well I don't have any long term solutions cos I used to work on building sites, and not in physics laboratories, but the original post was about raising awareness as to how we can stop what plastics we already have doing any more harm to the environment "
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"Did you actually watch the program last night?
Did I watch the program? Do you understand the complex problems of hydrocarbons?
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Pointing the finger without a viable solution is not solving the problem sadly.
Who am I Jeremy Paxman? Did you actually watch the program last night?
Sweetie I understand a lot more about the issues and the complexities involved and you harking on about if I did or didn't watch the program or the previous 10 documentaries aired on the same subject over the last few years. Less aggregation please its not necessity. So do you have a viable solution to the issue rather than just finger pointing?
Did you actually watch the program?
And by the way I am nobody's "sweetie"
Did you read what I put? Clearly not!
You a clearly some kind of politititan that can't answer either yes or no to a simple question, but instead decides to come out with their own burble
Hardly! You clearly haven't a solution as you go on and on about watching 1 specific tv program and your repetition is just boring. I watched it as I have seen another half a dozen on it some accurate some inaccurate due to different agendas.
Now answer my question though you seem unable to. Whats your solution to the issue?
The solution is obvious, stop making the bloody stuff. Plastic was only invented not all that long ago and the world functioned perfectly well without it. There’s no point taxing it, that’s just a money spinner and solves nothing. Just ban the production and use of it. The world will find an alternative. "
Thats true but its driven by the market place and people wanting the cheapest product. Glass isn't the solution as it has a high carbon footprint. Some supermarkets like Morrisons say bring your own container but people don't. We could ban it in the UK but china and India won't follow as they haven't with other things. The only real answer is to reduce at source and the government being clever with recycling and placing the burden of the cost in the right areas. |
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"Did you actually watch the program last night?
Did I watch the program? Do you understand the complex problems of hydrocarbons?
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Pointing the finger without a viable solution is not solving the problem sadly.
Who am I Jeremy Paxman? Did you actually watch the program last night?
Sweetie I understand a lot more about the issues and the complexities involved and you harking on about if I did or didn't watch the program or the previous 10 documentaries aired on the same subject over the last few years. Less aggregation please its not necessity. So do you have a viable solution to the issue rather than just finger pointing?
Did you actually watch the program?
And by the way I am nobody's "sweetie"
Did you read what I put? Clearly not!
You a clearly some kind of politititan that can't answer either yes or no to a simple question, but instead decides to come out with their own burble
Hardly! You clearly haven't a solution as you go on and on about watching 1 specific tv program and your repetition is just boring. I watched it as I have seen another half a dozen on it some accurate some inaccurate due to different agendas.
Now answer my question though you seem unable to. Whats your solution to the issue?
Hallelujah, you have at last answered my question
Well I don't have any long term solutions cos I used to work on building sites, and not in physics laboratories, but the original post was about raising awareness as to how we can stop what plastics we already have doing any more harm to the environment
Well done you watched program on it problem solved collect your medal."
I don't think it is a problem for one man to solve on his own. 
Nothing wrong with raising awareness |
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Did I say that I had solved any problems Miss Know it all? Nah I don'think so. And I'm not here to collect any medals on here either Sweetie  |
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"Well done you watched program on it problem solved collect your medal.
Did I say that I had solved any problems Miss Know it all? Nah I don'think so. And I'm not here to collect any medals on here either Sweetie "
Just go collect your meddle lovie Mwah. |
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"Did you actually watch the program last night?
Did I watch the program? Do you understand the complex problems of hydrocarbons?
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Pointing the finger without a viable solution is not solving the problem sadly.
Who am I Jeremy Paxman? Did you actually watch the program last night?
Sweetie I understand a lot more about the issues and the complexities involved and you harking on about if I did or didn't watch the program or the previous 10 documentaries aired on the same subject over the last few years. Less aggregation please its not necessity. So do you have a viable solution to the issue rather than just finger pointing?
Did you actually watch the program?
And by the way I am nobody's "sweetie"
Did you read what I put? Clearly not!
You a clearly some kind of politititan that can't answer either yes or no to a simple question, but instead decides to come out with their own burble
Hardly! You clearly haven't a solution as you go on and on about watching 1 specific tv program and your repetition is just boring. I watched it as I have seen another half a dozen on it some accurate some inaccurate due to different agendas.
Now answer my question though you seem unable to. Whats your solution to the issue?
Hallelujah, you have at last answered my question
Well I don't have any long term solutions cos I used to work on building sites, and not in physics laboratories, but the original post was about raising awareness as to how we can stop what plastics we already have doing any more harm to the environment
Well done you watched program on it problem solved collect your medal.
I don't think it is a problem for one man to solve on his own.
Nothing wrong with raising awareness"
Thats partiality correct as is the guy who points at someone being mugged but stops at that. But then harping on about did you see one program rather than using time to come up with potential solutions is a better use of time.
Sadly environmental issues are a plague on the world and the answer isn't in the bottom of a bottle. |
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"Well done you watched program on it problem solved collect your medal.
Did I say that I had solved any problems Miss Know it all? Nah I don'think so. And I'm not here to collect any medals on here either Sweetie
Just go collect your meddle lovie Mwah. "
Do I get it from under the bridge so I can fish a couple of plastic bottles out of the canal before the Queen troll presents me with a plastic Gold meddle? |
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"Well done you watched program on it problem solved collect your medal.
Did I say that I had solved any problems Miss Know it all? Nah I don'think so. And I'm not here to collect any medals on here either Sweetie
Just go collect your meddle lovie Mwah.
Do I get it from under the bridge so I can fish a couple of plastic bottles out of the canal before the Queen troll presents me with a plastic Gold meddle? "
What an offensive guy you are a total lack of class resorting to insults how sad. |
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"Well done you watched program on it problem solved collect your medal.
Did I say that I had solved any problems Miss Know it all? Nah I don'think so. And I'm not here to collect any medals on here either Sweetie
Just go collect your meddle lovie Mwah.
Do I get it from under the bridge so I can fish a couple of plastic bottles out of the canal before the Queen troll presents me with a plastic Gold meddle?
What an offensive guy you are a total lack of class resorting to insults how sad. "
If you say so, the tread started out fine and was just about awareness of how we can stop plastic from polluting our environment, then it all went off at a tangent. I'm sorry if I offended you in any way x |
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"Well done you watched program on it problem solved collect your medal.
Did I say that I had solved any problems Miss Know it all? Nah I don'think so. And I'm not here to collect any medals on here either Sweetie
Just go collect your meddle lovie Mwah.
Do I get it from under the bridge so I can fish a couple of plastic bottles out of the canal before the Queen troll presents me with a plastic Gold meddle?
What an offensive guy you are a total lack of class resorting to insults how sad. "
To be fair, your initial comment is going to get a reaction. The man has apologised now further down |
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By *ugby 123Couple
over a year ago
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Can I remind people though ( not just on this thread ) that calling people trolls for their views is not really in the spirit of the forum...they are allowed views without the name calling
Thanks |
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"Even better to find every possible way not to use them
Totally agree with this. For years and years I've not used plastic bags, don't by drink in plastic bottles unless there is no other choice...And yes there's more choice than one initially thinks. Public opinion can change industry and if people stopped buying products wrapped in plastic then industry would soon change.
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Yup, the problem is so enormous and so urgent we have to do everything in our power - that means avoid using plastics as much as possible, develop effective bio-degradable plastics, and switch back to other alternatives like paper. |
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By *ce Winger OP Man
over a year ago
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"Can I remind people though ( not just on this thread ) that calling people trolls for their views is not really in the spirit of the forum...they are allowed views without the name calling
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Cheers Ruggers, I'll take that on board |
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"Well done you watched program on it problem solved collect your medal.
Did I say that I had solved any problems Miss Know it all? Nah I don'think so. And I'm not here to collect any medals on here either Sweetie
Just go collect your meddle lovie Mwah.
Do I get it from under the bridge so I can fish a couple of plastic bottles out of the canal before the Queen troll presents me with a plastic Gold meddle?
What an offensive guy you are a total lack of class resorting to insults how sad. "
Nonsense, you have been unspeakably rude and aggressive - Ace has been here for years and is probably the LEAST offensive man on the forums! |
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By *ce Winger OP Man
over a year ago
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"Well done you watched program on it problem solved collect your medal.
Did I say that I had solved any problems Miss Know it all? Nah I don'think so. And I'm not here to collect any medals on here either Sweetie
Just go collect your meddle lovie Mwah.
Do I get it from under the bridge so I can fish a couple of plastic bottles out of the canal before the Queen troll presents me with a plastic Gold meddle?
What an offensive guy you are a total lack of class resorting to insults how sad.
Nonsense, you have been unspeakably rude and aggressive - Ace has been here for years and is probably the LEAST offensive man on the forums! "
Cheers Frisky, I can stick up for maself. It's all water under the bridge now anyway xx |
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"Well done you watched program on it problem solved collect your medal.
Did I say that I had solved any problems Miss Know it all? Nah I don'think so. And I'm not here to collect any medals on here either Sweetie
Just go collect your meddle lovie Mwah.
Do I get it from under the bridge so I can fish a couple of plastic bottles out of the canal before the Queen troll presents me with a plastic Gold meddle?
What an offensive guy you are a total lack of class resorting to insults how sad.
To be fair, your initial comment is going to get a reaction. The man has apologised now further down"
So we can insult people and as long as we apologise in the thread its ok?
In all honesty this will be seen by some as double standards sadly I will make no further comment about inconsistency. |
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"What. The. Fuck.
I think ma thread got temporarily sidetracked Clem, how do you think we can get round the problem of already produced plastic polluting our environment?"
I think its a bit rich for us to wonder around developing countries with low levels of income and education to point out how they're fucking up the planet. It was like when we had our industrial revolution, that was ok. But now India and China are trying as hard as they can to burn anything that looks like coal, destroying the atmosphere in their never ending search for cash, THAT'S frowned upon! All we can do as a nation is ban non-recyclable plastic. And hope the rest of the world catches up one day. We can not go around the globe like an angry parent telling them to tidy their rooms! |
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"What. The. Fuck.
I think ma thread got temporarily sidetracked Clem, how do you think we can get round the problem of already produced plastic polluting our environment?
I think its a bit rich for us to wonder around developing countries with low levels of income and education to point out how they're fucking up the planet. It was like when we had our industrial revolution, that was ok. But now India and China are trying as hard as they can to burn anything that looks like coal, destroying the atmosphere in their never ending search for cash, THAT'S frowned upon! All we can do as a nation is ban non-recyclable plastic. And hope the rest of the world catches up one day. We can not go around the globe like an angry parent telling them to tidy their rooms! "
I disagree - though I don't think we should play the angry parent, but I do think we need to help, educate, fund, cajole, support, clean up after.... or do whatever it takes to stop our oceans being destroyed.
For instance if the 'third world disposal' problem cannot be solved, then the first world MUST develop the biodegradable plastics that make it less damaging, surely?
Refusing to use plastic drinking straws or coffee cups in the UK is no more than a pathetic drop in the ocean, pun intended. |
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Plastic in the sea is nothing compared to what else is lurking in there! People all around the world should be more concerned about the levels of radioactive waste that is continuously being dumped in the sea every day. And since many radioactive elements stay radioactive for hundreds of thousands of years shouldn't we be doing more to clean up and reduce the danger to all life on earth |
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We are emptying the oceans of its inhabitants and filling it with plastic .Weve got less than 10 years to sort it out .Which really isnt enough time .We have to decide quickly what we are going to let go extinct and what we are going to save |
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By *ugby 123Couple
over a year ago
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So we can insult people and as long as we apologise in the thread its ok?
In all honesty this will be seen by some as double standards sadly I will make no further comment about inconsistency.
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No in answer to your first question. I have mentioned many times on the forum how that isn't ok.
But taking all things into account, your initial comment, ( which didn't add to the debate just tried to ridicule ) his comments and then his apology I deemed it to be over.
I then wrote a comment about ANYONE calling people trolls on this thread or any other that it isn't in the interest of the forum and people shouldn't be doing it
If you don't like how I dealt with it then the contact link is your best way to send your feedback, as the forum rules ask |
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By *orny PTMan
over a year ago
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"I don’t see the need for us to buy water in bottles. When we pay so much for our water rates. I am also guilty of this occasionally but I do try to fill my water bottle daily. It’s bizarre why so many people buy bottled water when it’s in no way different to tap water. "
Carbonated water is one option, less bad for you than normal fizzy drinks, no calories or colours. |
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By *orny PTMan
over a year ago
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I wear glasses and I really want them to be made out of glass instead. Much better optical quality and doesn't scratch as bad either. TV's have gone over to plastic too.
If the manufacturers didn't make so much OTT packaging, every Easter, then that would be a start.
Things like crisp packets, could be changed. Oh-but-the-consumers-won't-like-them. They don't like change. Rubbish! What they won't tell you is what they have achieved abroad.
Has anybody bought Pringles in a normal crisp bag yet? No?
Because they come in cardboard tubes, although it's not perfect cardboard can be used for dry goods.
Things that you can buy either in bags or boxes are, raisins, oats, salt, sugar (cubes and lumps) rice, most spices and biscuits etc.
Producers are lazy and would rather listen to their accountants opinions than their consumers and the media. Only legislation would get them to move their collective asses into gear.
This could and should have been dealt with decades ago.
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"What. The. Fuck.
I think ma thread got temporarily sidetracked Clem, how do you think we can get round the problem of already produced plastic polluting our environment?"
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We've got this thing called capitalism and frankly it's the greatest and most wonderful thing ever for fixing problems and creating solutions.
Put simply, you pay and somebody will invent a solution.
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"I wear glasses and I really want them to be made out of glass instead. Much better optical quality and doesn't scratch as bad either. TV's have gone over to plastic too.
If the manufacturers didn't make so much OTT packaging, every Easter, then that would be a start.
Things like crisp packets, could be changed. Oh-but-the-consumers-won't-like-them. They don't like change. Rubbish! What they won't tell you is what they have achieved abroad.
Has anybody bought Pringles in a normal crisp bag yet? No?
Because they come in cardboard tubes, although it's not perfect cardboard can be used for dry goods.
Things that you can buy either in bags or boxes are, raisins, oats, salt, sugar (cubes and lumps) rice, most spices and biscuits etc.
Producers are lazy and would rather listen to their accountants opinions than their consumers and the media. Only legislation would get them to move their collective asses into gear.
This could and should have been dealt with decades ago.
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Not to be funny but I don't think you quite grasp why we were using plastic in the first place?.
It's cheap, really really really cheap, it uses a fraction of the energy required to do than glass or cardboard, energy causes pollution less energy used means less pollution, we shouldn't have regulated the production of plastic we should have regulated the disposal of it better which probably includes very heavy fines for littering (yes it's not all about those greedy capitalists but lazy bloody consumers as well). |
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"I wear glasses and I really want them to be made out of glass instead. Much better optical quality and doesn't scratch as bad either. TV's have gone over to plastic too.
If the manufacturers didn't make so much OTT packaging, every Easter, then that would be a start.
Things like crisp packets, could be changed. Oh-but-the-consumers-won't-like-them. They don't like change. Rubbish! What they won't tell you is what they have achieved abroad.
Has anybody bought Pringles in a normal crisp bag yet? No?
Because they come in cardboard tubes, although it's not perfect cardboard can be used for dry goods.
Things that you can buy either in bags or boxes are, raisins, oats, salt, sugar (cubes and lumps) rice, most spices and biscuits etc.
Producers are lazy and would rather listen to their accountants opinions than their consumers and the media. Only legislation would get them to move their collective asses into gear.
This could and should have been dealt with decades ago.
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"I wear glasses and I really want them to be made out of glass instead. Much better optical quality and doesn't scratch as bad either. TV's have gone over to plastic too.
If the manufacturers didn't make so much OTT packaging, every Easter, then that would be a start.
Things like crisp packets, could be changed. Oh-but-the-consumers-won't-like-them. They don't like change. Rubbish! What they won't tell you is what they have achieved abroad.
Has anybody bought Pringles in a normal crisp bag yet? No?
Because they come in cardboard tubes, although it's not perfect cardboard can be used for dry goods.
Things that you can buy either in bags or boxes are, raisins, oats, salt, sugar (cubes and lumps) rice, most spices and biscuits etc.
Producers are lazy and would rather listen to their accountants opinions than their consumers and the media. Only legislation would get them to move their collective asses into gear.
This could and should have been dealt with decades ago.
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If you want your spectacle lenses made of glass then all you have to do is ask the optical dispenser to sell you glass!
They aren’t very popular these days because they are much heavier, more expensive and more fragile but they are available.
If you don’t specify exactly what product you want they will give you the most popular option |
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By *ady LickWoman
over a year ago
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Sachets in poorer countries seem to be a huge problem going by what they reported last night. Things like tea, coffee, soup, sugar, actually loads of everyday stuff sold in individual sachets because people can't afford full size ones.
Governments in those countries not providing recycling places so everyone dumping their stuff by the side of the river.
Marine life getting entangled in fishing wire etc ~ that was pretty shocking.
We were saying last night that whatever the answers are sadly it's probably too little, too late. |
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By *ce Winger OP Man
over a year ago
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"What. The. Fuck.
I think ma thread got temporarily sidetracked Clem, how do you think we can get round the problem of already produced plastic polluting our environment?
I think its a bit rich for us to wonder around developing countries with low levels of income and education to point out how they're fucking up the planet. It was like when we had our industrial revolution, that was ok. But now India and China are trying as hard as they can to burn anything that looks like coal, destroying the atmosphere in their never ending search for cash, THAT'S frowned upon! All we can do as a nation is ban non-recyclable plastic. And hope the rest of the world catches up one day. We can not go around the globe like an angry parent telling them to tidy their rooms! "
Sorry not logged in for a few days, but my point is that we should learn from our mistakes. Yes, we can hopefully learn from our mistakes, and educate future generations. People have moved on from coal powered cars to the Higgs Boson Cabriolet these days don'tcha know  |
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"What. The. Fuck.
I think ma thread got temporarily sidetracked Clem, how do you think we can get round the problem of already produced plastic polluting our environment?
I think its a bit rich for us to wonder around developing countries with low levels of income and education to point out how they're fucking up the planet. It was like when we had our industrial revolution, that was ok. But now India and China are trying as hard as they can to burn anything that looks like coal, destroying the atmosphere in their never ending search for cash, THAT'S frowned upon! All we can do as a nation is ban non-recyclable plastic. And hope the rest of the world catches up one day. We can not go around the globe like an angry parent telling them to tidy their rooms!
Sorry not logged in for a few days, but my point is that we should learn from our mistakes. Yes, we can hopefully learn from our mistakes, and educate future generations. People have moved on from coal powered cars to the Higgs Boson Cabriolet these days don'tcha know "
Not in South Asia they haven't. |
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over a year ago
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"Not in South Asia they haven't. "
Exactly, it's the Governments in that neck of the woods that simply don't seem to give a toss. As long as it's economically viable for them to continue using these products, then I can't see things changing anytime soon |
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"Not in South Asia they haven't.
Exactly, it's the Governments in that neck of the woods that simply don't seem to give a toss. As long as it's economically viable for them to continue using these products, then I can't see things changing anytime soon "
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"I don’t see the need for us to buy water in bottles. When we pay so much for our water rates. I am also guilty of this occasionally but I do try to fill my water bottle daily. It’s bizarre why so many people buy bottled water when it’s in no way different to tap water. "
you should try our local water want to see what it does to a kettle in a week not the sort of stuff you want to drink.
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By *ce Winger OP Man
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"I don’t see the need for us to buy water in bottles. When we pay so much for our water rates. I am also guilty of this occasionally but I do try to fill my water bottle daily. It’s bizarre why so many people buy bottled water when it’s in no way different to tap water. you should try our local water want to see what it does to a kettle in a week not the sort of stuff you want to drink."
The element that furs up when you boil yer kettle is limescale because you live in a hard water area, it is totally harmless to the human body in such trivial amounts
Anyhooooo, back to the plastic |
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