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Is this the end of the british high street.....
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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With online and brexit taking over? I remember shops such as wolworths and army and navy, big chains not making it, which ones do you remember? Will the high street be empty, whats your view? |
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No the High Street will revert to small independent shops such greengrocers, bakers and butchers. The rest of our household shopping such as washing powder and large items will be ordered via the net and delivered to our door.
The upsurge in thrift and recycling will see an increase in second hand furniture stores and tailors. |
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There won't be any fucks given from this household. High street shopping killed itself. Arrogant retail practices opened the door to online shopping. It was by no means an inevitable conclusion that the interweb would surpass the High street. It did so by offering a better service and better prices. |
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over a year ago
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No. Our high street is now filled with market type grocers, hair dressers and barbers, fast food outlets, betting shops and estate agents.As the big names leave, smaller businesses take over. |
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Online shopping and online banking are the reasons high streets are in decline not to mention out of town retail parks and huge supermarkets like asda which kill of local butchers and fruit and veg shops.
This has nothing to do with brexit |
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Hopefully not my local high street. Lots of prospering local indipendant stores selling everything for the needs and convenience of a very diverse community. One of the reasons I moved here was so I could take a 2 min walk to the high street and get the things I need and the occasional fry up. Plus it's not a particularly wealthy area so everything tends to be very reasonable on my local high st. But I can see the city centre is suffering. |
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For years I’ve done online shopping. Not because of cheapness but because most shops in the high street don’t sell men’s clothing. Look at clothes shops on the high street, most are aimed at women. |
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"For years I’ve done online shopping. Not because of cheapness but because most shops in the high street don’t sell men’s clothing. Look at clothes shops on the high street, most are aimed at women."
And those that did never stocked sizes for anyone but 5 foot 10, overweight men. Good riddance to those shops. |
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Things change and move on. If they didn't we'd all still be having our shopping delivered by 14 year olds on bicycles. The High Street of 5 years ago has gone if it was what the majority wanted and used it would still be there. |
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I dislike clothes shopping unless I can try things on, gauge the colours and feel the fabrics.
I'm also against online businesses that pay insufficient taxes but expect to benefit from the infrastructure that my taxes have built. I won't give such outfits any of my money.
It's important that our town centres stay alive - towns in the USA with sprawling streets of off-road mAlls are np match and leave towns devoid of character.
Brexit does look like a potential turning point to make more shops fail though. But our future needs sustained and increased employment opportunities for people such as retain stag
Ff, as technology could drive massive unemployment and poverty, on a scale mot seen for decades.
I will pay more for the right service levels and organisations sustaining local wellbeing and communities |
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"With online and brexit taking over? I remember shops such as wolworths and army and navy, big chains not making it, which ones do you remember? Will the high street be empty, whats your view?" nothing to do brexit at all,online shopping and hard times has killed off the traditional high street and times have changed in most parts of the country for the worst.Its all charity shops and bookmakers and budget shops there’s a connection there.
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"For years I’ve done online shopping. Not because of cheapness but because most shops in the high street don’t sell men’s clothing. Look at clothes shops on the high street, most are aimed at women.
And those that did never stocked sizes for anyone but 5 foot 10, overweight men. Good riddance to those shops. "
Ive always found unless you’re slim and toned there’s no chance of finding a shirt that fits in the likes of Next, Gap or River Island etc.. where are these fat shops you talk of? Point them my way!! |
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If you live in a town with an actual high street you're incredibly.
Most towns these days have shopping malls and out of town retail parks.
Every shopping mall in virtually every town is full of the same shops.
Rent and rates help close them, but also stops the little independent shops moving in. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"What has brexit got to do with the end of the British high street"
Nothing whatsoever, some are way to keen to blame it for everything. It’s all about online shopping and big out of town supermarkets.
Our retailers are going to have to realise that they been more people picking and packing, and more drivers, but less on the checkouts. Then they can compete. I have seen a few smaller Cash and Carries go delivery only of late, and it prevented closure... |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"For years I’ve done online shopping. Not because of cheapness but because most shops in the high street don’t sell men’s clothing. Look at clothes shops on the high street, most are aimed at women.
And those that did never stocked sizes for anyone but 5 foot 10, overweight men. Good riddance to those shops. "
Really? Where are these shops for bigger guys then? My experience of buying clothes for my hubby is the opposite. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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Scrap business rates, introduce easy access free parking, and bring back community forming shops like record shops and book shops Also the butcher, grocer, deli, and baker should club together and focus on offering high quality organic fresh local produce in a group of shops down one end of the road.
The whole thing needs planning and orchestrating at a local level with a long term goal of urban regeneration. In short, it needs a socialist government. Lucky we've got one in waiting then |
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"For years I’ve done online shopping. Not because of cheapness but because most shops in the high street don’t sell men’s clothing. Look at clothes shops on the high street, most are aimed at women.
And those that did never stocked sizes for anyone but 5 foot 10, overweight men. Good riddance to those shops.
Really? Where are these shops for bigger guys then? My experience of buying clothes for my hubby is the opposite. "
Conventional wisdom in high street clothes shops is to stock the sizes that sell the fastest. Whilst this intuitively makes sense, they are almost perpetually sold out of less conventional sizes. I'm 5 foot 8, on the short side but not exactly tiny. Trying to buy a pair of jeans on the High street is like a needle in a haystack search. This conventional wisdom meant that people like me flocked to online shopping, even when it was nowhere near as good. But at least we could actually get what we actually want rather than look at 50 styles, only to be told that none are actually in stock, in our size.
In summary, the High street orchestrated it's own death because it left huge numbers of customers under served, which is where the interweb stepped in. |
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"Scrap business rates, introduce easy access free parking, and bring back community forming shops like record shops and book shops Also the butcher, grocer, deli, and baker should club together and focus on offering high quality organic fresh local produce in a group of shops down one end of the road.
The whole thing needs planning and orchestrating at a local level with a long term goal of urban regeneration. In short, it needs a socialist government. Lucky we've got one in waiting then "
Who the fuck wants records and books in 2018!? |
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If the High Street returned to how it once was, which era would you choose and would you actually use the shops enough to keep them going?
Or is the longing for the halcyon days of the High Street just resistance to a change brought about by our own shopping habits? |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Scrap business rates, introduce easy access free parking, and bring back community forming shops like record shops and book shops Also the butcher, grocer, deli, and baker should club together and focus on offering high quality organic fresh local produce in a group of shops down one end of the road.
The whole thing needs planning and orchestrating at a local level with a long term goal of urban regeneration. In short, it needs a socialist government. Lucky we've got one in waiting then
Who the fuck wants records and books in 2018!? "
Build it and they will come |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Scrap business rates, introduce easy access free parking, and bring back community forming shops like record shops and book shops Also the butcher, grocer, deli, and baker should club together and focus on offering high quality organic fresh local produce in a group of shops down one end of the road.
The whole thing needs planning and orchestrating at a local level with a long term goal of urban regeneration. In short, it needs a socialist government. Lucky we've got one in waiting then "
Its a nice idea it does happen in some semi rural areas a socialist government would just fuck it up though comrade just go to Moscow and see for yourself. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"If the High Street returned to how it once was, which era would you choose and would you actually use the shops enough to keep them going?
Or is the longing for the halcyon days of the High Street just resistance to a change brought about by our own shopping habits?"
I think it needs to be different, and somewhat government subsidised... for the good of social cohesion, crime, quality of life, etc. At least until it takes off. There are some stunning town centres I've enjoyed in my time living in the USA. And nobody will be dismantling them any time soon because every new generation learns to use and cherish them. Our town centres were just shit. We need to look at successful ones and model them |
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"Scrap business rates, introduce easy access free parking, and bring back community forming shops like record shops and book shops Also the butcher, grocer, deli, and baker should club together and focus on offering high quality organic fresh local produce in a group of shops down one end of the road.
The whole thing needs planning and orchestrating at a local level with a long term goal of urban regeneration. In short, it needs a socialist government. Lucky we've got one in waiting then
Its a nice idea it does happen in some semi rural areas a socialist government would just fuck it up though comrade just go to Moscow and see for yourself. "
I would have strongly disagreed with you. But then I saw your pics. Now I'm happy to agree with absolutely anything you say |
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"Scrap business rates, introduce easy access free parking, and bring back community forming shops like record shops and book shops Also the butcher, grocer, deli, and baker should club together and focus on offering high quality organic fresh local produce in a group of shops down one end of the road.
The whole thing needs planning and orchestrating at a local level with a long term goal of urban regeneration. In short, it needs a socialist government. Lucky we've got one in waiting then "
Absolutely right , and Venezuela is reaping the benefits of one as I write |
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"If the High Street returned to how it once was, which era would you choose and would you actually use the shops enough to keep them going?
Or is the longing for the halcyon days of the High Street just resistance to a change brought about by our own shopping habits?
I think it needs to be different, and somewhat government subsidised... for the good of social cohesion, crime, quality of life, etc. At least until it takes off. There are some stunning town centres I've enjoyed in my time living in the USA. And nobody will be dismantling them any time soon because every new generation learns to use and cherish them. Our town centres were just shit. We need to look at successful ones and model them "
I caught the tail end of a discussion on the radio about this yesterday and the consensus was that the High Street would continue but in a different form. The areas in which I regularly shop have busy High Streets in conjunction with small retail parks. This seems to be working. |
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By *irginieWoman
over a year ago
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Marlborough still has a bustling high street but the big chains (other than coffee shops and restaurants) are disappearing slowly and being replaced with independents and this doesn’t make me unhappy. But rates in the high street are huge, often prohibitive. Independent shops also struggle and come and go.
I’d be surprised if councils weren’t eventually backed into a corner. Support local business or towns will die. Marlborough is a hugely rich town (on the whole) with plenty of spending power. If the high street goes here then Id imagine that’s doom for retailers everywhere.
I still prefer mooching around the shops to online shopping (except in December when I’d rather stick pins in my eyes).
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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I don’t think it’ll be the end of high street shops, maybe downsizing. More competition now with businesses online. I do most of my shopping online as I can’t be doing with screaming kids and parents shouting at them. My kids aren’t angels but wouldn’t dare kick off whilst out. It’s also hassle carrying/getting stuff home when most online businesses give you day and sometimes time they can deliver so you can plan your day around it |
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By (user no longer on site)
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The only stuff I actually go to shops for are groceries, most other stuff I buy online. For a start it’s nigh on impossible to park anywhere and when you do you get charged through the nose for it, prices are cheaper online, delivery is very quick now and the same choices are there to be seen in glorious technicolour. People are still spending the same money but in a different way and the high street needs to move with the times. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Does anyone remember Liptons
I went when I was a wee boy most things back then came loose... got carried home in a wicker basket or string bag...
Bring these type of shops back... it seems to me we have to revisit the past to go forward... |
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"The only stuff I actually go to shops for are groceries, most other stuff I buy online. For a start it’s nigh on impossible to park anywhere and when you do you get charged through the nose for it, prices are cheaper online, delivery is very quick now and the same choices are there to be seen in glorious technicolour. People are still spending the same money but in a different way and the high street needs to move with the times. "
They do...eventually
A couple of weeks ago our telly stopped working. We were able to order one and have it delivered within four hours. We didn't have to leave the house. To us that's preferable in every way to driving to some God forsaken retail park, trying to find someone interested enough to actually sell you the thing, find out if it's in stock and then try and transport it home.
I firmly believe we get the High Street we deserve. |
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"Still not sure about this link with Brexit. Just about everything comes from China!!!!!" Absolutely we don’t need Europe, everything’s blaming brexit.
Rates are to high for shops, when Amazon is ripping the tax payers and creating waist. Ten delivery’s from Amazon would fill the bin up, of unnecessary large boxes. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Still not sure about this link with Brexit. Just about everything comes from China!!!!! Absolutely we don’t need Europe, everything’s blaming brexit.
Rates are to high for shops, when Amazon is ripping the tax payers and creating waist. Ten delivery’s from Amazon would fill the bin up, of unnecessary large boxes. "
At least it's cardboard and fully recyclable... |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I firmly believe we get the High Street we deserve."
There is also the legacy of generations of town planning cock ups.
Poole is a perfect case in point. It has one of the most stunningly beautiful waterfront aspects in the UK. So where is the shopping district?
From the waterfront you need to walk through an area of office blocks (why the fuck did they need to be there) then a multistorey car park, before hitting a run down street of charity shops and crap odds and ends that then trails along for a while with largely useless tat in them until you have to cross a road, then wait for a train to pass, then cross a rail crossing until you're finally in the shopping district
What a total cock up! The lost opportunity |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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I love a mooch around the shops but it’s annoying at times you go and they haven’t got what you want in stock. So I do a lot of online shopping, but would prefer to buy from a shop if I can x |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"The high st ,sucks , it's all pound shops,charity shops,bookies and beggars and greggs and coffee shops .
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Most are. But the better ones have more interesting independent shops. It needs a bold council working with such businesses to relocate them into interesting and efficient locations where people can enjoy them all again |
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"The high st ,sucks , it's all pound shops,charity shops,bookies and beggars and greggs and coffee shops .
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Absolutely spot on .
The amount of beggars is huge deterrent to retailers and customers alike . Why would anyone choose to be confronted by these vagrants every time they go shopping ? This alone could cause the end of the high street . |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"The high st ,sucks , it's all pound shops,charity shops,bookies and beggars and greggs and coffee shops .
Absolutely spot on .
The amount of beggars is huge deterrent to retailers and customers alike . Why would anyone choose to be confronted by these vagrants every time they go shopping ? This alone could cause the end of the high street ."
A beggar or beggars on the streets is a nasty sign of our modern society... shocking we allow this to take place...
I have never been frightened to shop in Glasgow where there are lots begging... I rarely give money... I have been known to but the lunch or a coffee... |
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By *.D.I.D.A.SMan
over a year ago
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I went into Debenhams at the weekend to pick up a last-minute present for my nephew. The store was huge but it was empty. Even the range of merchandise was reduced with quite a few empty shelves. I can't remember the last time I actually bought something in that store. I remember walking into Woolworths a few months before it went under. It was in a similar state.
As much as I missed the shopping experience, I do so only for nostalgic reasons. I probably buy 80% of my stuff online. Soon we shall all have identical IKEA furniture, all will be eating Nandos and drinking Starbucks whilst ordering more goods on our iPhones. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Still not sure about this link with Brexit. Just about everything comes from China!!!!! Absolutely we don’t need Europe, everything’s blaming brexit.
Rates are to high for shops, when Amazon is ripping the tax payers and creating waist. Ten delivery’s from Amazon would fill the bin up, of unnecessary large boxes.
At least it's cardboard and fully recyclable... "
That is one thing that pisses me off about amazon, the massive boxes they send tiny things in, totally unnecessary |
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By (user no longer on site)
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I use the internet to research things I want to buy... then seek out a shop that does them... it's always nice to chat to a human... one that knows something about what I am looking at... |
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"I use the internet to research things I want to buy... then seek out a shop that does them... it's always nice to chat to a human... one that knows something about what I am looking at... "
I hate chatting to real humans and avoid it as much as possible. Being asked "how I am?" Boils my piss. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Scrap business rates, introduce easy access free parking, and bring back community forming shops like record shops and book shops Also the butcher, grocer, deli, and baker should club together and focus on offering high quality organic fresh local produce in a group of shops down one end of the road.
The whole thing needs planning and orchestrating at a local level with a long term goal of urban regeneration. In short, it needs a socialist government. Lucky we've got one in waiting then
Who the fuck wants records and books in 2018!? "
We'll need books for when we are in the middle of power cuts.
You can buy a wind up gramophone for playing your records on.
#offgridliving
Try a digital detox every now and again. |
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By *pmsldCouple
over a year ago
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We buy alot online mainly due to cheaper prices and how easy it is, but also i spend most of my money on my hobby and the shops that cater for it are either to far away or don't hold enough physical range to make it worth while and this seems to be similar for clothing shops etc these days. but The biggest thing that kills shopping for me is rubbish parking facilites, if we go shopping it tends to be retail parks. Milton keynes tends to be a go to place for us as its so easy to get to and loads there including yo sushi lol. |
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Taking bolton as an example, in the eighties the town centre was heaving with people. The Trafford centre came along and a lot of customers flocked there. What did bolton decide to do? Build out of town retail parks! What customers the town centre had left was reduced even further! Nobody wanted them! |
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"Scrap business rates, introduce easy access free parking, and bring back community forming shops like record shops and book shops Also the butcher, grocer, deli, and baker should club together and focus on offering high quality organic fresh local produce in a group of shops down one end of the road.
The whole thing needs planning and orchestrating at a local level with a long term goal of urban regeneration. In short, it needs a socialist government. Lucky we've got one in waiting then
Who the fuck wants records and books in 2018!?
We'll need books for when we are in the middle of power cuts.
You can buy a wind up gramophone for playing your records on.
#offgridliving
Try a digital detox every now and again."
Most people fuck when the power goes out. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"The big question is why is the decline of traditional high streets being blamed on brexit when the decline started years ago?"
I need this explained to me too. Large shopping centres have been killing the high street since the first one was built...
Community shops still exist in Europe... local butcher, bread shops in small villages... not so many left in the UK... |
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"With online and brexit taking over? I remember shops such as wolworths and army and navy, big chains not making it, which ones do you remember? Will the high street be empty, whats your view?" its got nothing to do with brexit
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By (user no longer on site)
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"With online and brexit taking over? I remember shops such as wolworths and army and navy, big chains not making it, which ones do you remember? Will the high street be empty, whats your view?its got nothing to do with brexit "
Nope. My high streets has been changing constantly since I was a child. All the buildings are still there and in use; they have only changed their function. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"The big question is why is the decline of traditional high streets being blamed on brexit when the decline started years ago?
I need this explained to me too. Large shopping centres have been killing the high street since the first one was built...
Community shops still exist in Europe... local butcher, bread shops in small villages... not so many left in the UK... "
They are making a comeback thanks to the big name companies going online. We have fish shops, grocers, butchers and green grocers popping up again thanks to immigration. Can't get a pork chop but the variety of fish is amazing |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I feel sorry for the elderly as often they don’t have internet access. That will change for future generations but it’s now that’s difficult.
Why don't they have internet access? "
Can't afford it, or a pc or mobile phone.
Can't operate a mobile phone, even if they had one.
That generation is dying though so we won't have to worry about them any more. |
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"I feel sorry for the elderly as often they don’t have internet access. That will change for future generations but it’s now that’s difficult.
Why don't they have internet access? "
Cause it’s still the 1970’s where they live. |
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"We buy alot online mainly due to cheaper prices and how easy it is, but also i spend most of my money on my hobby and the shops that cater for it are either to far away or don't hold enough physical range to make it worth while and this seems to be similar for clothing shops etc these days. but The biggest thing that kills shopping for me is rubbish parking facilites, if we go shopping it tends to be retail parks. Milton keynes tends to be a go to place for us as its so easy to get to and loads there including yo sushi lol. "
The parking issue is the one thing that if councillors got any inclination of how business work, would see that instead of charging for this, in making free, businesses would actually have customers to help fund business rates.
My biggest source of frustration of being on an island is that the Isle of Wight could and should be able to set some trends with things like this, but get caught in the trap of having to make money when they could collect through secondary sources.
Being on an island means the data is encaptured, not through "passing" trade. It is prodictable and could be the place to pilot things, water metres were first installed here, and has by and large reduced consumption here.
The high Street, in general is more entertainment and socialising oriented these days, but there are some great independent shops that deserve consumer support. |
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"I feel sorry for the elderly as often they don’t have internet access. That will change for future generations but it’s now that’s difficult.
Why don't they have internet access?
Cause it’s still the 1970’s where they live. "
I prefer this answer. The number of people that "can't" operate a mobile number is tiny in comparison to the number that "won't". |
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By *pmsldCouple
over a year ago
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"I lived in England once and the old high street had banks,butchers greengrocers and cobblers amongst others but now it's just rows of kebab shops with the odd bookies in between "
Don't forget the millions of coffee shops that keep appearing lol. |
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I sell product into high street retailers and it's becoming harder and pretty demoralising. More and more are closing almost on a monthly basis, the 2 most common reasons mentioned for closure being people shopping online and landlords increasing rent. More expensive to be there and less customers!
In terms of the B word, our products have become more expensive due to exchange rates - this first happening the day after the vote. This has squeezed margin for shops as they try to hit previous pricing, so I think it has impacted - although no way solely to blame and things were heading south way before that.
Oh and happy fabbing, hope you enjoyed the essay haha x |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Pedestrianise the high streets of the uk.
Why not plant trees and give it back to nature? "
Trees belong in forests ,hanging baskets belong on the high st .Pedestrianised streets are all about the culture they bring and better outside seating for coffee shops and a place for street performers to juggle fire and stuff and of course musicians .Markets also need pedestrianised areas.
Easy access for skateboarders and mobility scooters is a positive.
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"Pedestrianise the high streets of the uk.
Why not plant trees and give it back to nature?
Trees belong in forests ,hanging baskets belong on the high st .Pedestrianised streets are all about the culture they bring and better outside seating for coffee shops and a place for street performers to juggle fire and stuff and of course musicians .Markets also need pedestrianised areas.
Easy access for skateboarders and mobility scooters is a positive.
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Jugglers and skateboarders will be shot on sight in my theocratic dictatorship. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Pedestrianise the high streets of the uk.
Why not plant trees and give it back to nature?
Trees belong in forests ,hanging baskets belong on the high st .Pedestrianised streets are all about the culture they bring and better outside seating for coffee shops and a place for street performers to juggle fire and stuff and of course musicians .Markets also need pedestrianised areas.
Easy access for skateboarders and mobility scooters is a positive.
Jugglers and skateboarders will be shot on sight in my theocratic dictatorship. "
Then I vote BrokenBrilliance |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Pedestrianise the high streets of the uk.
Why not plant trees and give it back to nature?
Trees belong in forests ,hanging baskets belong on the high st .Pedestrianised streets are all about the culture they bring and better outside seating for coffee shops and a place for street performers to juggle fire and stuff and of course musicians .Markets also need pedestrianised areas.
Easy access for skateboarders and mobility scooters is a positive.
Jugglers and skateboarders will be shot on sight in my theocratic dictatorship. "
Who doesn't like a juggler on a skateboard in a bohemian pedestrianised zone .
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By *orny PTMan
over a year ago
Peterborough |
Here in Peterborough, in between the plague of coffee shops, vape shops, Ladbrokes (4 of the buggers in 400 metres walk), phone shops and Italian eateries; we know have Cross Keys Housing Association and the Job Centre slap bang in the middle of Bridge Street. So If you've been laid off from Woolies, Pound World, M&S and a few other places, then you can get your housing and benefits sorted out and stare out of the windows, wistfully at your old place of work.
Peterborough, doesn't it look great? |
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"Pedestrianise the high streets of the uk.
Why not plant trees and give it back to nature?
Trees belong in forests ,hanging baskets belong on the high st .Pedestrianised streets are all about the culture they bring and better outside seating for coffee shops and a place for street performers to juggle fire and stuff and of course musicians .Markets also need pedestrianised areas.
Easy access for skateboarders and mobility scooters is a positive.
Jugglers and skateboarders will be shot on sight in my theocratic dictatorship.
Then I vote BrokenBrilliance "
Everybody hates hipsters |
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By *irginieWoman
over a year ago
Near Marlborough |
The charity shops are one reason I go to the high street. In Marlborough the stuff is amazing. I buy loads of clothes from charity shops. And I even bought those Thigh Highs in a charity shop (well my ex bought them for me).
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"Some delightful attitudes towards old people on here. Thank fuck we are never going to get old eh? "
They young don't realise there wil be a generation or two behind them waiting to send them you dignitas when they are getting past it |
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Ain’t nothing wrong with charity shops especially with kids! Save no end of money as they like reading proper books which cost a fiver in bookshops. Plus we take stuff there that we no longer need that are still in very good condition |
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