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just watching the news about the gunman in Belgium.
obviously thoughts are with everyone touched by the events but...
is it realy necessary to show the dead gunman lying on the ground?
granted you dont see any blood or any physical features but it still doesnt sit right with me for some reason |
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granted you dont see any blood or any physical features but it still doesnt sit right with me for some reason"
what did you want them to do, prop him up with a straight back?
terrible tragedy though.
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By *andKCouple
over a year ago
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I have often said that images of war & Death are far more pornographic that 2 (or more) people doing what comes naturally. Doubt you are old enough to remember the images of a young girl running down the road on fire during the Vietnam war, it was horrendous and will stay with me for the rest of my life. |
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"just watching the news about the gunman in Belgium.
obviously thoughts are with everyone touched by the events but...
is it realy necessary to show the dead gunman lying on the ground?
granted you dont see any blood or any physical features but it still doesnt sit right with me for some reason"
It's 'news' and the media want people to see what happened to give impact to the story. |
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how much respect should a dead gunman have?"
i did remove that comment cos i hated my own use of the word respect |
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"I guess the guy gave up any 'image rights' he may have had when he started lobbing grenades at people"
i guess ad i guess that as his actual face etc werent shown there is no harm done to his family etc dunno, maybe i'm just a bit too in touch with my emotonal side today lol |
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i've not seen the story but agree with evesham,, death of a man in any circumstance isn't nice. He still has a family and friends and to have his face plastered over the news can't be nice.
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"i've not seen the story but agree with evesham,, death of a man in any circumstance isn't nice. He still has a family and friends and to have his face plastered over the news can't be nice.
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his face wasnt shown |
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"i've not seen the story but agree with evesham,, death of a man in any circumstance isn't nice. He still has a family and friends and to have his face plastered over the news can't be nice.
his face wasnt shown"
yet |
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"i've not seen the story but agree with evesham,, death of a man in any circumstance isn't nice. He still has a family and friends and to have his face plastered over the news can't be nice.
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Are you suggesting someone who stands on a roof and throws grenades into a crowded square before killing himself should have a blanket ban in the press?
either way his family are gonna know about it |
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"I have often said that images of war & Death are far more pornographic that 2 (or more) people doing what comes naturally. Doubt you are old enough to remember the images of a young girl running down the road on fire during the Vietnam war, it was horrendous and will stay with me for the rest of my life."
One of the most iconic images of the 20th century along with the tibetin monk sitting cross legged on fire after dousing himself with petrol,that's one serious statement!
Why is it so easy to remember all the bad stuff? 
Lest we forget n all that I suppose................. |
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"i've not seen the story but agree with evesham,, death of a man in any circumstance isn't nice. He still has a family and friends and to have his face plastered over the news can't be nice.
Are you suggesting someone who stands on a roof and throws grenades into a crowded square before killing himself should have a blanket ban in the press?
either way his family are gonna know about it"
not a blanket ban, but why does a dead body have to be shown? we knew he was dead, they said it on the news item |
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"Are you suggesting someone who stands on a roof and throws grenades into a crowded square before killing himself should have a blanket ban in the press?
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or just a blanket ? |
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"I have often said that images of war & Death are far more pornographic that 2 (or more) people doing what comes naturally. Doubt you are old enough to remember the images of a young girl running down the road on fire during the Vietnam war, it was horrendous and will stay with me for the rest of my life.
One of the most iconic images of the 20th century along with the tibetin monk sitting cross legged on fire after dousing himself with petrol,that's one serious statement!
Why is it so easy to remember all the bad stuff?
Lest we forget n all that I suppose................."
yep, let's not forget that in the fight for power and imposing yankee democracy on others it's OK to Napalm kids
or kill pakistani wedding parties
or .....
maybe, though unlikely, murderous nutters would stop if they were set a better example by their governments
though granted, i doubt that Belgium has ever harmed anyone |
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Probably completely irrelevant but films and graphic movies have desensitized (if thats a word) me to the pictures of death shown on news bulitins.
I know there's a war going on, i know that there are tragic natural disasters and the killings either by Raul Moat or the Norway killings on that Island... but i've seen far more graphic things in films.
By no means am i saying i do not care for the innocent victims in these events,, but something emotionally just doesnt click. Its not quite as shocking and horrific. Probably because its not effected me personally. |
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"I have often said that images of war & Death are far more pornographic that 2 (or more) people doing what comes naturally. Doubt you are old enough to remember the images of a young girl running down the road on fire during the Vietnam war, it was horrendous and will stay with me for the rest of my life.
One of the most iconic images of the 20th century along with the tibetin monk sitting cross legged on fire after dousing himself with petrol,that's one serious statement!
Why is it so easy to remember all the bad stuff?
Lest we forget n all that I suppose.................
yep, let's not forget that in the fight for power and imposing yankee democracy on others it's OK to Napalm kids
or kill pakistani wedding parties
or .....
maybe, though unlikely, murderous nutters would stop if they were set a better example by their governments
though granted, i doubt that Belgium has ever harmed anyone"
Look up the history of the Belgian Congo, Rwanda etc. |
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"Probably completely irrelevant but films and graphic movies have desensitized (if thats a word) me to the pictures of death shown on news bulitins.
I know there's a war going on, i know that there are tragic natural disasters and the killings either by Raul Moat or the Norway killings on that Island... but i've seen far more graphic things in films.
By no means am i saying i do not care for the innocent victims in these events,, but something emotionally just doesnt click. Its not quite as shocking and horrific. Probably because its not effected me personally. "
Sadly indicitive of todays society methinks |
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"Probably completely irrelevant but films and graphic movies have desensitized (if thats a word) me to the pictures of death shown on news bulitins.
I know there's a war going on, i know that there are tragic natural disasters and the killings either by Raul Moat or the Norway killings on that Island... but i've seen far more graphic things in films.
By no means am i saying i do not care for the innocent victims in these events,, but something emotionally just doesnt click. Its not quite as shocking and horrific. Probably because its not effected me personally. "
but surely there is a difference between what you see on tv in films etc and seeing an ACTUAL dead body on the floor of a belgium city centre?
ok so he was a gunman and he has killed 5 other people so maybe not a nice guy BUT he was still a person who was alive and now is not
When Brad Pitt is shown dead on the cinema screen you know he is not really dead because he is out filming another film |
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"Probably completely irrelevant but films and graphic movies have desensitized (if thats a word) me to the pictures of death shown on news bulitins.
I know there's a war going on, i know that there are tragic natural disasters and the killings either by Raul Moat or the Norway killings on that Island... but i've seen far more graphic things in films.
By no means am i saying i do not care for the innocent victims in these events,, but something emotionally just doesnt click. Its not quite as shocking and horrific. Probably because its not effected me personally.
Sadly indicitive of todays society methinks "
Unfortunately injuries received by real explosion victims are far more graphic than the hollywood ones (i know,i've seen one up close)
The problem is how do you reverse the desensitisation that seems to have occurred?
Do you show nothing at all in real life?
Or everything?
or something in between.IE the airbrushed hollywood version? |
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give concern and respect for the victims they didnt ask or diserve that, we dont need to see them, as for the perpatrator to hell with them. maybe if showing what they can expect it may jusy may make the next gun happy sicko think twice it would be well in the interest of all to see what future they can expect  |
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"I have often said that images of war & Death are far more pornographic that 2 (or more) people doing what comes naturally. Doubt you are old enough to remember the images of a young girl running down the road on fire during the Vietnam war, it was horrendous and will stay with me for the rest of my life.
One of the most iconic images of the 20th century along with the tibetin monk sitting cross legged on fire after dousing himself with petrol,that's one serious statement!
Why is it so easy to remember all the bad stuff?
Lest we forget n all that I suppose.................
yep, let's not forget that in the fight for power and imposing yankee democracy on others it's OK to Napalm kids
or kill pakistani wedding parties
or .....
maybe, though unlikely, murderous nutters would stop if they were set a better example by their governments
though granted, i doubt that Belgium has ever harmed anyone
Look up the history of the Belgian Congo, Rwanda etc."
yep, true, was thinking only of mainland Europe.
sadder still, that the congolese can't do any better for themselves
and as for Rwanda, the UN were a disgrace |
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"Probably completely irrelevant but films and graphic movies have desensitized (if thats a word) me to the pictures of death shown on news bulitins.
I know there's a war going on, i know that there are tragic natural disasters and the killings either by Raul Moat or the Norway killings on that Island... but i've seen far more graphic things in films.
By no means am i saying i do not care for the innocent victims in these events,, but something emotionally just doesnt click. Its not quite as shocking and horrific. Probably because its not effected me personally.
but surely there is a difference between what you see on tv in films etc and seeing an ACTUAL dead body on the floor of a belgium city centre?
ok so he was a gunman and he has killed 5 other people so maybe not a nice guy BUT he was still a person who was alive and now is not
When Brad Pitt is shown dead on the cinema screen you know he is not really dead because he is out filming another film"
i understand where your coming from, and naturally id know Brad isn't dead.. but unless the actual dead body was physically in front of me i still feel very detatched from it.
If id never seen horror/action films with so many incredible graphic effects and brilliant make up artists etc im sure the 'shock' factor would be more intense. |
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"Probably completely irrelevant but films and graphic movies have desensitized (if thats a word) me to the pictures of death shown on news bulitins.
I know there's a war going on, i know that there are tragic natural disasters and the killings either by Raul Moat or the Norway killings on that Island... but i've seen far more graphic things in films.
By no means am i saying i do not care for the innocent victims in these events,, but something emotionally just doesnt click. Its not quite as shocking and horrific. Probably because its not effected me personally. "
Totaly agree with your sentiment but think all the grusome and macabre real life torture,beheadings and other nasty stuff floating about on the net has a lot more to answer for than a few scary films IMHO.
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"give concern and respect for the victims they didnt ask or diserve that, we dont need to see them, as for the perpatrator to hell with them. maybe if showing what they can expect it may jusy may make the next gun happy sicko think twice it would be well in the interest of all to see what future they can expect "
showing them what they can expect?? he shot himself - this was no great action of the Belgium police and so does nothing to show that if you go on a rampage you're gonna get got  |
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"Probably completely irrelevant but films and graphic movies have desensitized (if thats a word) me to the pictures of death shown on news bulitins.
I know there's a war going on, i know that there are tragic natural disasters and the killings either by Raul Moat or the Norway killings on that Island... but i've seen far more graphic things in films.
By no means am i saying i do not care for the innocent victims in these events,, but something emotionally just doesnt click. Its not quite as shocking and horrific. Probably because its not effected me personally.
but surely there is a difference between what you see on tv in films etc and seeing an ACTUAL dead body on the floor of a belgium city centre?
ok so he was a gunman and he has killed 5 other people so maybe not a nice guy BUT he was still a person who was alive and now is not
When Brad Pitt is shown dead on the cinema screen you know he is not really dead because he is out filming another film"
That's spot on Evesham.
How I react to images is knowing the difference between real and make believe.
I watch a gory film with a lot of dead bodies and lots of blood... I kinda go 'yuk'.
....I watch a news item or documentary with real dead bodies, I'm still giving a  reaction... unless I'm looking at a body of a dead gunman/murderer.... I have little response other than thinking "good, I'm glad to see the wanker dead". |
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Just seen on the news that he had previous firearms offences and one of his victims is thought to be a two year old girl. should his dead body be on the news?
I wouldn't really object if his head was put on a stick in the town square |
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"give concern and respect for the victims they didnt ask or diserve that, we dont need to see them, as for the perpatrator to hell with them. maybe if showing what they can expect it may jusy may make the next gun happy sicko think twice it would be well in the interest of all to see what future they can expect "
These types of sickos see that as a glorious warriors martyrdom.
It's what they want,no deterant at all I don't think.
Just my opinion. |
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"Just seen on the news that he had previous firearms offences and one of his victims is thought to be a two year old girl. should his dead body be on the news?
I wouldn't really object if his head was put on a stick in the town square"
just to be clear...i am in now way condoning what he did, am not saddened that he is dead, not saying he was a nice fluffy bloke
i am just questioning whether or not the image of a dead body should be on the 6 o'clock news?
i appreciate that life is real and perhaps to a certain extent we need real life news in our homes to prepare children for what is out there as sometimes parents shy away from this (another thread topic maybe?? lol) |
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"I have often said that images of war & Death are far more pornographic that 2 (or more) people doing what comes naturally. Doubt you are old enough to remember the images of a young girl running down the road on fire during the Vietnam war, it was horrendous and will stay with me for the rest of my life."
And that young girl now has a daughter of her own . |
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"give concern and respect for the victims they didnt ask or diserve that, we dont need to see them, as for the perpatrator to hell with them. maybe if showing what they can expect it may jusy may make the next gun happy sicko think twice it would be well in the interest of all to see what future they can expect
showing them what they can expect?? he shot himself - this was no great action of the Belgium police and so does nothing to show that if you go on a rampage you're gonna get got "
i didnt say it did, i simply said and stand by it, it shows they have no future and it's not heroic but final by their hand or police |
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"Think of the young lads serving our country and being maimed. That might take your mind off feeling sorry for an asshole "
Where did the OP/anyone say they felt sorry for the gunman/nutter/murderer on this thread? |
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By *umourCouple
over a year ago
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Going by the "no need to show" sympathy for the family posts on here, perhaps we shouldn't mention his name just in case his second cousin, twice removed didn't know he had done it!
Better still, why report it at all? The police could keep it a secret and pretend it ddn't happen.. Except for the dead and injured who didn't ask for their fate.
Show him! Ridicule him! Hell, even display him and humiliate the corpse. Make him an object of derision and then forget about him! That way those who do this terrible things for the notoriety may just think twice...
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"Think of the young lads serving our country and being maimed. That might take your mind off feeling sorry for an asshole "
I don't think the OP felt sorry for the gunman in the slightest. I'm pretty sure the OP was just pointing out how uncomfortable it was for them to be shown 'Death' at teatime (or anytime natch)
Whosever body don't matter really, it's unpleasant to look at what is usually a pretty abstract thing to us.
I get a horrible feeling in my gut when these scenes are broadcast...a much different feeling to that of watching 'special effects' and 'make up'.
Having said that... I just don't watch the news. |
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"Think of the young lads serving our country and being maimed. That might take your mind off feeling sorry for an asshole "
where did i say i felt sorry for him?? show me the post in which that was said
if they showed dead bodies of soldiers on the news i would have started the exact same thread |
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"just watching the news about the gunman in Belgium.
obviously thoughts are with everyone touched by the events but...
is it realy necessary to show the dead gunman lying on the ground?
granted you dont see any blood or any physical features but it still doesnt sit right with me for some reason"
I felt the same way when they captured gaddaffi, horrible images regardless of what he had done. |
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"just watching the news about the gunman in Belgium.
obviously thoughts are with everyone touched by the events but...
is it realy necessary to show the dead gunman lying on the ground?
granted you dont see any blood or any physical features but it still doesnt sit right with me for some reason
I felt the same way when they captured gaddaffi, horrible images regardless of what he had done. "
I feel no sympathy for the gunman in Belgium or Gaddaffi (although the manner of his death does leave a nasty taste).
However in Gaddaffis defence he did do something for his people before he became totally corrupted by power, this other fella, well what can you say he is he in the best place now. |
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"Think of the young lads serving our country and being maimed. That might take your mind off feeling sorry for an asshole "
think if you read on a bit before jumping to a wrong conclusion the OP is quite clear she is not 'feeling sorry' for the gunman.. |
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interesting conundrum with the picture of the wrong un in Liege and the family picture released by the Police today..
the murdering coward being shown with his wife and kids, in many ways more shocking than the actions of some fruit loop with an AK...
and why is it that its by and large 'fathers' (in the loosest meaning of the word)who when things go pear shaped slaughter their families...
ffs, dont have a clue to what depths they may be at to even contemplate such an action..
but why the kids, why the mother of your kids..
'kin beyond me tbh, and i've seen and dealt with some shit ...
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"and why is it that its by and large 'fathers' (in the loosest meaning of the word)who when things go pear shaped slaughter their families"
I can think of two recent cases of 'mothers' doing very similar in Edinburgh alone.
4-5 years ago a mother in lieth bashed her young sons head in with a golf club then jumped out of her top tenement flat window in a bid to top herself.She didn't succeed.A family member of mine who is a paramedic was one of the first on the scene.
And more recently there was the mother who topped her two young children in a gas explosion caused on purpose by her.
Very sad and yes,who knows what drives people to do such monsterous deeds?
But it certainly isn't limited to mainly the fathers.
Just a thought.
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"and why is it that its by and large 'fathers' (in the loosest meaning of the word)who when things go pear shaped slaughter their families
I can think of two recent cases of 'mothers' doing very similar in Edinburgh alone.
4-5 years ago a mother in lieth bashed her young sons head in with a golf club then jumped out of her top tenement flat window in a bid to top herself.She didn't succeed.A family member of mine who is a paramedic was one of the first on the scene.
And more recently there was the mother who topped her two young children in a gas explosion caused on purpose by her.
Very sad and yes,who knows what drives people to do such monsterous deeds?
But it certainly isn't limited to mainly the fathers.
Just a thought. "
recall the 1st one, rare that a mother will do such acts
not right who ever does this... |
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