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By *arlomale OP Man
over a year ago
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Declan rice poor lad only on 3k per week has turned down 15k per week unbelievable I know it’s not a lot in the bubble of the premiership but West Ham ain’t world beaters and what makes him think he deserves 15k a week maybe West Ham fans think he deserves it I had to google him as I’d never heard of him |
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Its your right to demand the value of your Labour. We are not slaves. It's up to the market to decide if your Labour is worth that value. If your not worth it or there are others offering at lower rate you won't find employment for the value you demand. |
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"Declan rice poor lad only on 3k per week has turned down 15k per week unbelievable I know it’s not a lot in the bubble of the premiership but West Ham ain’t world beaters and what makes him think he deserves 15k a week maybe West Ham fans think he deserves it I had to google him as I’d never heard of him "
So if you had a feeling your boss was going to offer you a bit more money but the rival to their business was going to offer you more, you'd accept the lower figure. As you didn't want to be seen as greedy?
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By *ot-AshMan
over a year ago
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I'm a West Ham fan OP and this kid
Declan Rice is the best prospect to
have come through our academy for years
I would hate it if he was able to run
down his contract and leave the club
for nothing and join a rival like Spurs
On the other hand we shouldn't be
dictated to especially by a lad who is
only 19 and think £30 grand a week
should be more than enough to keep him.
Its ridiculous that players like Ozil
at Arsenal are getting £350K per week.
There has to be a wage cap at some point |
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By *arlomale OP Man
over a year ago
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"Declan rice poor lad only on 3k per week has turned down 15k per week unbelievable I know it’s not a lot in the bubble of the premiership but West Ham ain’t world beaters and what makes him think he deserves 15k a week maybe West Ham fans think he deserves it I had to google him as I’d never heard of him
So if you had a feeling your boss was going to offer you a bit more money but the rival to their business was going to offer you more, you'd accept the lower figure. As you didn't want to be seen as greedy?
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i don’t have a boss I’m self employed and my original point is this kid has done nothing and West Ham should not be held to ransom by a kid 3k a week is a good wage and what he’s been offered is a bloody fantastic wage and just because there’s players who are on more he thinks he’s entitled to a big pay deal well it’s the fans who I feel sorry for West Ham will probably struggle all season and you have kids like him who think that they should be paid a fortune  |
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By *arlomale OP Man
over a year ago
darlington |
"I'm a West Ham fan OP and this kid
Declan Rice is the best prospect to
have come through our academy for years
I would hate it if he was able to run
down his contract and leave the club
for nothing and join a rival like Spurs
On the other hand we shouldn't be
dictated to especially by a lad who is
only 19 and think £30 grand a week
should be more than enough to keep him.
Its ridiculous that players like Ozil
at Arsenal are getting £350K per week.
There has to be a wage cap at some point"
wages should be capped West Ham will probably struggle all season and you have a kid who thinks he’s entitled to a massive pay day 30k should be more than adequate for him who’s at the moment is an average player at a mediocre premier club west ham ain’t exactly swimming in money but I take your point on his contract get him nailed down as per norm West Ham are a selling club and he as you say is a good prospect will go on to bigger clubs |
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"Declan rice poor lad only on 3k per week has turned down 15k per week unbelievable I know it’s not a lot in the bubble of the premiership but West Ham ain’t world beaters and what makes him think he deserves 15k a week maybe West Ham fans think he deserves it I had to google him as I’d never heard of him
So if you had a feeling your boss was going to offer you a bit more money but the rival to their business was going to offer you more, you'd accept the lower figure. As you didn't want to be seen as greedy?
i don’t have a boss I’m self employed and my original point is this kid has done nothing and West Ham should not be held to ransom by a kid 3k a week is a good wage and what he’s been offered is a bloody fantastic wage and just because there’s players who are on more he thinks he’s entitled to a big pay deal well it’s the fans who I feel sorry for West Ham will probably struggle all season and you have kids like him who think that they should be paid a fortune "
In fairness to him £3k is nothing when he's a first team regular and there's youngsters at other clubs on more who haven't played a first team game yet. £15k is not unrealistic for a regular first team player irrespective of age. He has a point when others are earning substantially more for the same or less contribution. Take football and people's opinions about the inflated valuations out of it and put him in an office environment. Ask the same question why he gets paid less than his colleagues when he's doing the same job and often contributing more..... |
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"Declan rice poor lad only on 3k per week has turned down 15k per week unbelievable I know it’s not a lot in the bubble of the premiership but West Ham ain’t world beaters and what makes him think he deserves 15k a week maybe West Ham fans think he deserves it I had to google him as I’d never heard of him
So if you had a feeling your boss was going to offer you a bit more money but the rival to their business was going to offer you more, you'd accept the lower figure. As you didn't want to be seen as greedy?
i don’t have a boss I’m self employed and my original point is this kid has done nothing and West Ham should not be held to ransom by a kid 3k a week is a good wage and what he’s been offered is a bloody fantastic wage and just because there’s players who are on more he thinks he’s entitled to a big pay deal well it’s the fans who I feel sorry for West Ham will probably struggle all season and you have kids like him who think that they should be paid a fortune "
I'll try and word it in a different way as my points were missed. I understand you don't have a boss, try and pretend for now.
Another way of looking at what might be happening here.
He will have an agent. The kid would prefer to stay at West Ham I'm sure but perhaps the agent has said 'so and so might be interested in you, you have to drop down a league but they are willing to increase your wage to ....'.
Perhaps that's going on. I think agents fuck a lot of shit up but never for themselves. They always do well out of any wage increase, move, bonuses for appearance and so on.
It's often the agent that's greedy before the player. |
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Footballers occupy a special place in the public imagination. The looney left will come on here bitching about what the CEO of Tesco earns in relation to a checkout operator, but when it comes to football then it's fine and they don't want to wage cap their favourite team. |
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Don't see anything wrong with it, it's called negotiating. He could get paid better elsewhere, so West ham either pay up or he'll go elsewhere.
They've got a free stadium, shit loads of money coming in from the last TV deal. |
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over a year ago
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This is the reason I have no interest in Premiership football. My teams are York City and Rochdale. England are never going to win anything until the cap the number of foreign players in the squads. Give it 10 years and the England team will comprise of Championship and even League one players |
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By *arlomale OP Man
over a year ago
darlington |
"Don't see anything wrong with it, it's called negotiating. He could get paid better elsewhere, so West ham either pay up or he'll go elsewhere.
They've got a free stadium, shit loads of money coming in from the last TV deal. "
west ham pay rent for the stadium so it’s not exactly free |
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"I'm a West Ham fan OP and this kid
Declan Rice is the best prospect to
have come through our academy for years
I would hate it if he was able to run
down his contract and leave the club
for nothing and join a rival like Spurs
On the other hand we shouldn't be
dictated to especially by a lad who is
only 19 and think £30 grand a week
should be more than enough to keep him.
Its ridiculous that players like Ozil
at Arsenal are getting £350K per week.
There has to be a wage cap at some point wages should be capped West Ham will probably struggle all season and you have a kid who thinks he’s entitled to a massive pay day 30k should be more than adequate for him who’s at the moment is an average player at a mediocre premier club west ham ain’t exactly swimming in money but I take your point on his contract get him nailed down as per norm West Ham are a selling club and he as you say is a good prospect will go on to bigger clubs "
A wage cap would only work if every league in the world applied one, at the same currency values.
We cap ours to £50k a week, no other league in the world has a wage cap and bye bye goes damn near every player in the premiership.
For someone who's self employed you don't seem to have much grasp of market forces......
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"I'm a West Ham fan OP and this kid
Declan Rice is the best prospect to
have come through our academy for years
I would hate it if he was able to run
down his contract and leave the club
for nothing and join a rival like Spurs
On the other hand we shouldn't be
dictated to especially by a lad who is
only 19 and think £30 grand a week
should be more than enough to keep him.
Its ridiculous that players like Ozil
at Arsenal are getting £350K per week.
There has to be a wage cap at some point"
...Come on, am I the only one who read this as a poem? |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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There should have been a wage cap set 20 years ago. I remember when Roy Keane was supposed to be on 33k a week and everyone was up in arms about it. Now it's seen a paltry amount to be earning in the prem.
There will be a stage in the non to distant future where clubs will go under due to wages.
The current method of X% of turnover is the wage cap is weighted in favour of the big clubs anyway, and I'm not saying some clubs are fiddling figures, but there seem to be a lot of clubs selling out games but only 70-80% of the seats are filled |
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"Its your right to demand the value of your Labour. "
Funny how that doesn't aplly, for instance, to nurses or doctors for example. "We can save your life mate for £100K take it or leave it because the next guy will pay it".
Society and it's values are fecked to be blunt and the sooner people realise that the better. |
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"There should have been a wage cap set 20 years ago. I remember when Roy Keane was supposed to be on 33k a week and everyone was up in arms about it. Now it's seen a paltry amount to be earning in the prem.
There will be a stage in the non to distant future where clubs will go under due to wages.
The current method of X% of turnover is the wage cap is weighted in favour of the big clubs anyway, and I'm not saying some clubs are fiddling figures, but there seem to be a lot of clubs selling out games but only 70-80% of the seats are filled "
Very little of their revenue comes from ticket sales in the Premier League. Its all TV money. |
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"There should have been a wage cap set 20 years ago. I remember when Roy Keane was supposed to be on 33k a week and everyone was up in arms about it. Now it's seen a paltry amount to be earning in the prem.
There will be a stage in the non to distant future where clubs will go under due to wages.
The current method of X% of turnover is the wage cap is weighted in favour of the big clubs anyway, and I'm not saying some clubs are fiddling figures, but there seem to be a lot of clubs selling out games but only 70-80% of the seats are filled
Very little of their revenue comes from ticket sales in the Premier League. Its all TV money. "
Average ticket say £40, capacity 40k. That's 1.6m not to be sniffed at |
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I hate the way they try to justify it by saying it’s only a short career. £300k a week for even just five years must be around £80m.
Even on £100k a year it would take about 800 years to earn that much.  |
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"There should have been a wage cap set 20 years ago. I remember when Roy Keane was supposed to be on 33k a week and everyone was up in arms about it. Now it's seen a paltry amount to be earning in the prem.
There will be a stage in the non to distant future where clubs will go under due to wages.
The current method of X% of turnover is the wage cap is weighted in favour of the big clubs anyway, and I'm not saying some clubs are fiddling figures, but there seem to be a lot of clubs selling out games but only 70-80% of the seats are filled
Very little of their revenue comes from ticket sales in the Premier League. Its all TV money.
Average ticket say £40, capacity 40k. That's 1.6m not to be sniffed at"
Have a guess what the average turnover of a Premier League club is? |
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"There should have been a wage cap set 20 years ago. I remember when Roy Keane was supposed to be on 33k a week and everyone was up in arms about it. Now it's seen a paltry amount to be earning in the prem.
There will be a stage in the non to distant future where clubs will go under due to wages.
The current method of X% of turnover is the wage cap is weighted in favour of the big clubs anyway, and I'm not saying some clubs are fiddling figures, but there seem to be a lot of clubs selling out games but only 70-80% of the seats are filled
Very little of their revenue comes from ticket sales in the Premier League. Its all TV money.
Average ticket say £40, capacity 40k. That's 1.6m not to be sniffed at
Have a guess what the average turnover of a Premier League club is? "
£4.82 and a bag of quavers |
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"There should have been a wage cap set 20 years ago. I remember when Roy Keane was supposed to be on 33k a week and everyone was up in arms about it. Now it's seen a paltry amount to be earning in the prem.
There will be a stage in the non to distant future where clubs will go under due to wages.
The current method of X% of turnover is the wage cap is weighted in favour of the big clubs anyway, and I'm not saying some clubs are fiddling figures, but there seem to be a lot of clubs selling out games but only 70-80% of the seats are filled "
The 30% - 20% of seats that aren't filled are season ticket holders and corporates who don't turn up.
They still count as ticket sales. |
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Wasn't it recently mentioned that over half of the prem clubs could give all there tickets away all season and still be in profit. That's why the games fucked, that and Birmingham City getting rid the Isle of Wights finest managerial export....
This case reminds me of Ashley Cole and being offered only £50k |
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By *arlomale OP Man
over a year ago
darlington |
"I'm a West Ham fan OP and this kid
Declan Rice is the best prospect to
have come through our academy for years
I would hate it if he was able to run
down his contract and leave the club
for nothing and join a rival like Spurs
On the other hand we shouldn't be
dictated to especially by a lad who is
only 19 and think £30 grand a week
should be more than enough to keep him.
Its ridiculous that players like Ozil
at Arsenal are getting £350K per week.
There has to be a wage cap at some point wages should be capped West Ham will probably struggle all season and you have a kid who thinks he’s entitled to a massive pay day 30k should be more than adequate for him who’s at the moment is an average player at a mediocre premier club west ham ain’t exactly swimming in money but I take your point on his contract get him nailed down as per norm West Ham are a selling club and he as you say is a good prospect will go on to bigger clubs
A wage cap would only work if every league in the world applied one, at the same currency values.
We cap ours to £50k a week, no other league in the world has a wage cap and bye bye goes damn near every player in the premiership.
For someone who's self employed you don't seem to have much grasp of market forces......
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market forces? Ok you want an extension on your house I’m the chosen builder I give you a price based on prices I get back from subcontractors for the plumbing electrical etc etc then half way through the job the electrician says to me I want a pay rise because I’ve been offered more by another contractor So I then say to you the client the price has gone up because of people demanding more money I budget for jobs and I’m sure west ham budget for players wages now he’s signed a contract for the set amount now he’s demanding more money because he thinks he’s ronaldo no wonder clubs go out of business because of greedy spoilt kids like him but please feel free to advise me on ‘market forces’ |
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"Declan rice poor lad only on 3k per week has turned down 15k per week unbelievable I know it’s not a lot in the bubble of the premiership but West Ham ain’t world beaters and what makes him think he deserves 15k a week maybe West Ham fans think he deserves it I had to google him as I’d never heard of him "
His choice isn't it to accept the offer or not "deserving it" well which footballer on over 5k really deserve it at all. However Liverpool have just upped Trent AA's wage to 50k a week and he is also 19 so maybe he thinks he can get 25k from someone. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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3k isn’t much for a prem player at that age,after the tax man has had his cut it will be closer to 2k and fair play it’s hard training and a restricted life. |
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"3k isn’t much for a prem player at that age,after the tax man has had his cut it will be closer to 2k and fair play it’s hard training and a restricted life."
Premier League clubs are experts in avoiding tax. They often defer the wages for years to minimise the tax bill. |
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"I'm a West Ham fan OP and this kid
Declan Rice is the best prospect to
have come through our academy for years
I would hate it if he was able to run
down his contract and leave the club
for nothing and join a rival like Spurs
On the other hand we shouldn't be
dictated to especially by a lad who is
only 19 and think £30 grand a week
should be more than enough to keep him.
Its ridiculous that players like Ozil
at Arsenal are getting £350K per week.
There has to be a wage cap at some point wages should be capped West Ham will probably struggle all season and you have a kid who thinks he’s entitled to a massive pay day 30k should be more than adequate for him who’s at the moment is an average player at a mediocre premier club west ham ain’t exactly swimming in money but I take your point on his contract get him nailed down as per norm West Ham are a selling club and he as you say is a good prospect will go on to bigger clubs
A wage cap would only work if every league in the world applied one, at the same currency values.
We cap ours to £50k a week, no other league in the world has a wage cap and bye bye goes damn near every player in the premiership.
For someone who's self employed you don't seem to have much grasp of market forces......
market forces? Ok you want an extension on your house I’m the chosen builder I give you a price based on prices I get back from subcontractors for the plumbing electrical etc etc then half way through the job the electrician says to me I want a pay rise because I’ve been offered more by another contractor So I then say to you the client the price has gone up because of people demanding more money I budget for jobs and I’m sure west ham budget for players wages now he’s signed a contract for the set amount now he’s demanding more money because he thinks he’s ronaldo no wonder clubs go out of business because of greedy spoilt kids like him but please feel free to advise me on ‘market forces’ "
I think the key word there is contract.
If your subbie gives you a fixed price quote and you accept it, that's it.
If his wages go up while he's doing your job hard luck. He can put his rates up on his next quote.
If he wants to go and work for someone else who'll pay him more, and you don't want to, off he goes.
Seems simple to me.
Same with footy players, they have a contract. They're free to negotiate a new one when the situation or market forces change.
The club doesn't have to accept his wage demand, he doesn't have to accept the club's offer.
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By *arlomale OP Man
over a year ago
darlington |
"I'm a West Ham fan OP and this kid
Declan Rice is the best prospect to
have come through our academy for years
I would hate it if he was able to run
down his contract and leave the club
for nothing and join a rival like Spurs
On the other hand we shouldn't be
dictated to especially by a lad who is
only 19 and think £30 grand a week
should be more than enough to keep him.
Its ridiculous that players like Ozil
at Arsenal are getting £350K per week.
There has to be a wage cap at some point wages should be capped West Ham will probably struggle all season and you have a kid who thinks he’s entitled to a massive pay day 30k should be more than adequate for him who’s at the moment is an average player at a mediocre premier club west ham ain’t exactly swimming in money but I take your point on his contract get him nailed down as per norm West Ham are a selling club and he as you say is a good prospect will go on to bigger clubs
A wage cap would only work if every league in the world applied one, at the same currency values.
We cap ours to £50k a week, no other league in the world has a wage cap and bye bye goes damn near every player in the premiership.
For someone who's self employed you don't seem to have much grasp of market forces......
market forces? Ok you want an extension on your house I’m the chosen builder I give you a price based on prices I get back from subcontractors for the plumbing electrical etc etc then half way through the job the electrician says to me I want a pay rise because I’ve been offered more by another contractor So I then say to you the client the price has gone up because of people demanding more money I budget for jobs and I’m sure west ham budget for players wages now he’s signed a contract for the set amount now he’s demanding more money because he thinks he’s ronaldo no wonder clubs go out of business because of greedy spoilt kids like him but please feel free to advise me on ‘market forces’
I think the key word there is contract.
If your subbie gives you a fixed price quote and you accept it, that's it.
If his wages go up while he's doing your job hard luck. He can put his rates up on his next quote.
If he wants to go and work for someone else who'll pay him more, and you don't want to, off he goes.
Seems simple to me.
Same with footy players, they have a contract. They're free to negotiate a new one when the situation or market forces change.
The club doesn't have to accept his wage demand, he doesn't have to accept the club's offer.
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"There should have been a wage cap set 20 years ago. I remember when Roy Keane was supposed to be on 33k a week and everyone was up in arms about it. Now it's seen a paltry amount to be earning in the prem.
There will be a stage in the non to distant future where clubs will go under due to wages.
The current method of X% of turnover is the wage cap is weighted in favour of the big clubs anyway, and I'm not saying some clubs are fiddling figures, but there seem to be a lot of clubs selling out games but only 70-80% of the seats are filled
The 30% - 20% of seats that aren't filled are season ticket holders and corporates who don't turn up.
They still count as ticket sales."
And do you think they are all genuine people corporations? I don't.
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By (user no longer on site)
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They pay 50% tax and live beyond there means. When there career is over after 15years at the most usually bankrupt.
Let them enjoy it while they have it ffs |
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"There should have been a wage cap set 20 years ago. I remember when Roy Keane was supposed to be on 33k a week and everyone was up in arms about it. Now it's seen a paltry amount to be earning in the prem.
There will be a stage in the non to distant future where clubs will go under due to wages.
The current method of X% of turnover is the wage cap is weighted in favour of the big clubs anyway, and I'm not saying some clubs are fiddling figures, but there seem to be a lot of clubs selling out games but only 70-80% of the seats are filled
The 30% - 20% of seats that aren't filled are season ticket holders and corporates who don't turn up.
They still count as ticket sales.
And do you think they are all genuine people corporations? I don't.
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You don't have to believe it.
But the attendance v ticket sales figures for every premiership club are in the public domain.
But don't let the actual reported details sway your opinion.  |
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I don't mind West Ham as a Newcastle fan and I must say myself Declan Rice is a great kid. He is a real role model and such a nice genuine down to earth lad. They aren't too many like him and West Ham are lucky to have such talent and person. |
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By *omRachCouple
over a year ago
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"Declan rice poor lad only on 3k per week has turned down 15k per week unbelievable I know it’s not a lot in the bubble of the premiership but West Ham ain’t world beaters and what makes him think he deserves 15k a week maybe West Ham fans think he deserves it I had to google him as I’d never heard of him "
He is now an England International now, when/wherever he signs his next contract it will be in excess of £40k per week. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"I'm a West Ham fan OP and this kid
Declan Rice is the best prospect to
have come through our academy for years
I would hate it if he was able to run
down his contract and leave the club
for nothing and join a rival like Spurs
On the other hand we shouldn't be
dictated to especially by a lad who is
only 19 and think £30 grand a week
should be more than enough to keep him.
Its ridiculous that players like Ozil
at Arsenal are getting £350K per week.
There has to be a wage cap at some point"
At Chelsea academy before his release  |
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By *arlomale OP Man
over a year ago
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"Declan rice poor lad only on 3k per week has turned down 15k per week unbelievable I know it’s not a lot in the bubble of the premiership but West Ham ain’t world beaters and what makes him think he deserves 15k a week maybe West Ham fans think he deserves it I had to google him as I’d never heard of him
He is now an England International now, when/wherever he signs his next contract it will be in excess of £40k per week."
well let’s hope he doesn’t discover his great great grandparents where German as he’d probably sod of and play for them and as someone further up mentioned regarding the Liverpool player TAA is that the same player who’s won the league and champions league? |
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