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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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Hey fabbers.
I'm normally a barrel of laughs and not a serious guy but this is getting me down.
So most of us have experienced some bullshit at work at some point I'd imagine.
Maybe someone can give some advice before I also ask acas.
The cutting of hours below your contracted hours due to not liking a different opinion to your boss is aloud?
For weeks I'm losing out on hours not because of poor business. But because I refuse to be a yes man and roll over.
I'm my eyes I'm being silently bullied.
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Write everything down. Have a meeting asking why they are not fulfilling your contracted hours. Gather proof that others are getting their hours, especially if they are getting overtime.
How long have you worked there? |
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"My advice is this ......
Question your work ethic first....
If you were bringing in the dollar for the company they WOULDN'T cut your hours."
In a perfect work you'd like to think that granny however people and mangers can be dicks and let personal issues cloud their judgment |
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"Write everything down. Have a meeting asking why they are not fulfilling your contracted hours. Gather proof that others are getting their hours, especially if they are getting overtime.
How long have you worked there? "
Or just put your heart in it  |
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"My advice is this ......
Question your work ethic first....
If you were bringing in the dollar for the company they WOULDN'T cut your hours.
In a perfect work you'd like to think that granny however people and mangers can be dicks and let personal issues cloud their judgment "
Yes they can be dicks.....
Maybe the O.P. might like to think about HOW he voices his differences with his employers needs.
No one ever posts here and says..... I thought I could mouth off and bring negative vibes and they'd pay me bags. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"My advice is this ......
Question your work ethic first....
If you were bringing in the dollar for the company they WOULDN'T cut your hours.
In a perfect work you'd like to think that granny however people and mangers can be dicks and let personal issues cloud their judgment
Yes they can be dicks.....
Maybe the O.P. might like to think about HOW he voices his differences with his employers needs.
No one ever posts here and says..... I thought I could mouth off and bring negative vibes and they'd pay me bags."
Granny-Crumpet The HR Consultant  |
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"Write everything down. Have a meeting asking why they are not fulfilling your contracted hours. Gather proof that others are getting their hours, especially if they are getting overtime.
How long have you worked there? "
Sure I'm going through wage slips gathering my working hours from that.
My manager and General manager are very good friends outside work I'm kinda stuck who to speak with.
And over 3 years I've been here  |
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"Write everything down. Have a meeting asking why they are not fulfilling your contracted hours. Gather proof that others are getting their hours, especially if they are getting overtime.
How long have you worked there?
Or just put your heart in it "
Heart in what?  |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"My advice is this ......
Question your work ethic first....
If you were bringing in the dollar for the company they WOULDN'T cut your hours."
Oh I question it all the time lately. Hours go down ethic goes down |
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"Write everything down. Have a meeting asking why they are not fulfilling your contracted hours. Gather proof that others are getting their hours, especially if they are getting overtime.
How long have you worked there?
Sure I'm going through wage slips gathering my working hours from that.
My manager and General manager are very good friends outside work I'm kinda stuck who to speak with.
And over 3 years I've been here "
Is there a HR department? |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Hey fabbers.
I'm normally a barrel of laughs and not a serious guy but this is getting me down.
So most of us have experienced some bullshit at work at some point I'd imagine.
Maybe someone can give some advice before I also ask acas.
The cutting of hours below your contracted hours due to not liking a different opinion to your boss is aloud?
If you are in contract for say 25 hour but only being paid 20 that’s then in breach of contract which you have every right to jump up and down but don’t be a nob about it.
For weeks I'm losing out on hours not because of poor business. But because I refuse to be a yes man and roll over.
Happenes everywhere to every body you will never stop it or prove it sorry
I'm my eyes I'm being silently bullied.
I wouldn’t say bullied just yet as you need to make sure you are 100% water tight first making sure you do everything by the book etc if you have a union speak to your rep to get advice they can help you if not as I said you need to make sure your by the book of the only one that will lose out is you
Anyone else had the same happen?"
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By (user no longer on site)
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"You don't like the boss? Leave
What if he likes the job?
If he likes it so much he should buy the company.....
Arf Arf ......... Guess im the only one old enough to get that."
No, i remember it too  |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"You don't like the boss? Leave
What if he likes the job?
If he likes it so much he should buy the company.....
Arf Arf ......... Guess im the only one old enough to get that.
No, i remember it too "
So do I, but obviously veeery young when the commercial came out  |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"You don't like the boss? Leave
What if he likes the job?
If he likes it so much he should buy the company.....
Arf Arf ......... Guess im the only one old enough to get that."
Wanna go halfs with me then? |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"You don't like the boss? Leave
What if he likes the job?
Leave "
Alternatively...
My boat has been hijacked by a madman with a gun who is intent upon ramming it into the rocks and sinking it. What should I do?
Abandon ship
But what if I really like the ship?
Abandon ship
Just thought it'd help clarify the issue  |
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"You don't like the boss? Leave
What if he likes the job?
If he likes it so much he should buy the company.....
Arf Arf ......... Guess im the only one old enough to get that.
Wanna go halfs with me then?"
What are the employees like ? Hard working inspirational with growth mindsets or moaning argumentative negative ne'er do wells ? |
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"You don't like the boss? Leave
What if he likes the job?
Leave
Alternatively...
My boat has been hijacked by a madman with a gun who is intent upon ramming it into the rocks and sinking it. What should I do?
Abandon ship
But what if I really like the ship?
Abandon ship
Just thought it'd help clarify the issue "
Shoot the madman obvs. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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There's rules for having hours cut, is it in your conetract?
If it's just you with cuts then how was the decision made? I'd look into constructive dismissal rules and contact ACAS.. might be a payout to be had. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"You don't like the boss? Leave
What if he likes the job?
If he likes it so much he should buy the company.....
Arf Arf ......... Guess im the only one old enough to get that.
Wanna go halfs with me then?
What are the employees like ? Hard working inspirational with growth mindsets or moaning argumentative negative ne'er do wells ?"
Come and find out for yourself then you can decide |
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"You don't like the boss? Leave
What if he likes the job?
If he likes it so much he should buy the company.....
Arf Arf ......... Guess im the only one old enough to get that.
Wanna go halfs with me then?
What are the employees like ? Hard working inspirational with growth mindsets or moaning argumentative negative ne'er do wells ?
Come and find out for yourself then you can decide "
I went there once. There was no where to moor my vessel. Saw a wall tho ..... |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"There's rules for having hours cut, is it in your conetract?
If it's just you with cuts then how was the decision made? I'd look into constructive dismissal rules and contact ACAS.. might be a payout to be had."
I''ve gone through it a few times but being honest I'm shit with this kinda stuff. ACAS is the Next thing |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"You don't like the boss? Leave
What if he likes the job?
If he likes it so much he should buy the company.....
Arf Arf ......... Guess im the only one old enough to get that.
Wanna go halfs with me then?
What are the employees like ? Hard working inspirational with growth mindsets or moaning argumentative negative ne'er do wells ?
Come and find out for yourself then you can decide
I went there once. There was no where to moor my vessel. Saw a wall tho ..... "
Well plenty of notice I'll get you one reserved and moor up when you want |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"It’s saturday morning and I’m trying to resolve a HR matter.. FML
FML ?
Fuck Me Lengthways.....
Feel My Longdong.......
Find My Leggings ?????"
Ha ha ha.. life.. fuck my life |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Depends on your contract really if you have a zero hours nothing really you can do. If it's a specified hours then they have to pay you those hours even if you don't work them because they don't give you the hours |
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"Depends on your contract really if you have a zero hours nothing really you can do. If it's a specified hours then they have to pay you those hours even if you don't work them because they don't give you the hours "
No I have fixed hour contract. I did think that because I have fixed hours I should get at least my minimum hours or be payed them.
Lesson for me. To research more into this shit |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"You don't like the boss? Leave
What if he likes the job?
Leave
Why? "
Life's too short
You're working to make an arsehole rich
You're in a position of complete vulnerability to a total twat who wants to crush you fast but will settle for crushing you slowly instead
You'll never ever ever ever ever ever ever win |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"You don't like the boss? Leave
What if he likes the job?
Leave
Why?
Life's too short
You're working to make an arsehole rich
You're in a position of complete vulnerability to a total twat who wants to crush you fast but will settle for crushing you slowly instead
You'll never ever ever ever ever ever ever win "
Ok I'll just go and live in the woods. Cause unless you're owning a business then you're always gonna be making someone rich in your words. |
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"My advice is this ......
Question your work ethic first....
If you were bringing in the dollar for the company they WOULDN'T cut your hours.
Oh I question it all the time lately. Hours go down ethic goes down "
Then your only reinforcing the possibility that if someone is to be axed it could be you..
Maintain the standard you set when all is rosy hours wise..
Gives them less ammunition and you more of a case to fight if it comes to it.. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Hey fabbers.
I'm normally a barrel of laughs and not a serious guy but this is getting me down.
So most of us have experienced some bullshit at work at some point I'd imagine.
Maybe someone can give some advice before I also ask acas.
The cutting of hours below your contracted hours due to not liking a different opinion to your boss is aloud?
For weeks I'm losing out on hours not because of poor business. But because I refuse to be a yes man and roll over.
I'm my eyes I'm being silently bullied.
Anyone else had the same happen?"
the work place is about who you know and who's arse you kiss that's the brutal truth, you can be very good at your job but if the boss doesn't like you he won't sanction your hours and it's his decision, extra hours are just that overtime |
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"Hey fabbers.
I'm normally a barrel of laughs and not a serious guy but this is getting me down.
So most of us have experienced some bullshit at work at some point I'd imagine.
Maybe someone can give some advice before I also ask acas.
The cutting of hours below your contracted hours due to not liking a different opinion to your boss is aloud?
For weeks I'm losing out on hours not because of poor business. But because I refuse to be a yes man and roll over.
I'm my eyes I'm being silently bullied.
Anyone else had the same happen?the work place is about who you know and who's arse you kiss that's the brutal truth, you can be very good at your job but if the boss doesn't like you he won't sanction your hours and it's his decision, extra hours are just that overtime "
He doesn't want extra hours. He wants his contracted hours |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"There's rules for having hours cut, is it in your conetract?
If it's just you with cuts then how was the decision made? I'd look into constructive dismissal rules and contact ACAS.. might be a payout to be had.
I''ve gone through it a few times but being honest I'm shit with this kinda stuff. ACAS is the Next thing "
You've gone through this sort of thing before.
And in your opening post you discuss not being a yes man and rolling over for your manager.
I;d echo the earlier post, before you accuse a manager of bullying you, I;d really look at your own behaviour. Is it acceptable? Is it what an employer wants from their staff?
I;m also wondering why you;d go straight to ACAS? Why not look at your grievance policy or speak to your HR department? Surely they should be your initial reactions? |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"You don't like the boss? Leave
What if he likes the job?
Leave
Why?
Life's too short
You're working to make an arsehole rich
You're in a position of complete vulnerability to a total twat who wants to crush you fast but will settle for crushing you slowly instead
You'll never ever ever ever ever ever ever win
Ok I'll just go and live in the woods. Cause unless you're owning a business then you're always gonna be making someone rich in your words."
Making someone rich isn't a problem. Making an arsehole rich is. If you don't like your boss you have only one power play to use to your advantage. Leave. Otherwise learn to like your boss.
Thems the two options |
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"There's rules for having hours cut, is it in your conetract?
If it's just you with cuts then how was the decision made? I'd look into constructive dismissal rules and contact ACAS.. might be a payout to be had.
I''ve gone through it a few times but being honest I'm shit with this kinda stuff. ACAS is the Next thing
You've gone through this sort of thing before.
And in your opening post you discuss not being a yes man and rolling over for your manager.
I;d echo the earlier post, before you accuse a manager of bullying you, I;d really look at your own behaviour. Is it acceptable? Is it what an employer wants from their staff?
I;m also wondering why you;d go straight to ACAS? Why not look at your grievance policy or speak to your HR department? Surely they should be your initial reactions?"
ACAS are an advisory group. Granted they will probably tell him to go through the local policies and processes first but there is no harm going to them first really. Especially if he doesn't have a union |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"There's rules for having hours cut, is it in your conetract?
If it's just you with cuts then how was the decision made? I'd look into constructive dismissal rules and contact ACAS.. might be a payout to be had.
I''ve gone through it a few times but being honest I'm shit with this kinda stuff. ACAS is the Next thing
You've gone through this sort of thing before.
And in your opening post you discuss not being a yes man and rolling over for your manager.
I;d echo the earlier post, before you accuse a manager of bullying you, I;d really look at your own behaviour. Is it acceptable? Is it what an employer wants from their staff?
I;m also wondering why you;d go straight to ACAS? Why not look at your grievance policy or speak to your HR department? Surely they should be your initial reactions?"
You misunderstood I meant gone through my contract a few times.
And I never said I didn't like the manager I just wanted to know if anyone had any advice or been through similar.
But yes ACAS was just for advice like this post.
I'm learning a lot |
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By *aycambsMan
over a year ago
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Maybe bullying is not the definition of what you are faced with, but its clear that you need to address your issues with your employer in one form or other, no point in festering about this any further, unless of course you are just having a few bad days.
Raise the issue direct with your line manager, if nothing improves than put in a formal complaint to your line managers boss. If you are employed and you pay tax, no matter how big or small your employer is, they have a responsibility to address your concerns. Dont go accusing your employer of bullying, just address the matter in question [if it would need to go to tribunal, let your lawyer accuse them of bullying or discrimination]
As some of pointed out above, you also need to look at your contribution to your employers business, because if they can prove you are not pulling your weight and you could be more of a YES man than you are currently....well you should know the answer to that one! |
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"There's rules for having hours cut, is it in your conetract?
If it's just you with cuts then how was the decision made? I'd look into constructive dismissal rules and contact ACAS.. might be a payout to be had.
I''ve gone through it a few times but being honest I'm shit with this kinda stuff. ACAS is the Next thing
You've gone through this sort of thing before.
And in your opening post you discuss not being a yes man and rolling over for your manager.
I;d echo the earlier post, before you accuse a manager of bullying you, I;d really look at your own behaviour. Is it acceptable? Is it what an employer wants from their staff?
I;m also wondering why you;d go straight to ACAS? Why not look at your grievance policy or speak to your HR department? Surely they should be your initial reactions?
ACAS are an advisory group. Granted they will probably tell him to go through the local policies and processes first but there is no harm going to them first really. Especially if he doesn't have a union "
I know what ACAS are, the point I was making and that you seem to as well is that they are far more of a last resort not a first option. |
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"There's rules for having hours cut, is it in your conetract?
If it's just you with cuts then how was the decision made? I'd look into constructive dismissal rules and contact ACAS.. might be a payout to be had.
I''ve gone through it a few times but being honest I'm shit with this kinda stuff. ACAS is the Next thing
You've gone through this sort of thing before.
And in your opening post you discuss not being a yes man and rolling over for your manager.
I;d echo the earlier post, before you accuse a manager of bullying you, I;d really look at your own behaviour. Is it acceptable? Is it what an employer wants from their staff?
I;m also wondering why you;d go straight to ACAS? Why not look at your grievance policy or speak to your HR department? Surely they should be your initial reactions?
You misunderstood I meant gone through my contract a few times.
And I never said I didn't like the manager I just wanted to know if anyone had any advice or been through similar.
But yes ACAS was just for advice like this post.
I'm learning a lot "
Yes my bad, totally misinterpreted the "been through this" comment
But I do think you need to reflect on your behaviour first. Employers want employees who come in, do the job well and don't cause them hassle. Doing that doesn't make you a yes man, and I;m not saying you can;t challenge or question decisions but there's a way to do that without coming across as disruptive |
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"Write everything down. Have a meeting asking why they are not fulfilling your contracted hours. Gather proof that others are getting their hours, especially if they are getting overtime.
How long have you worked there?
Sure I'm going through wage slips gathering my working hours from that.
My manager and General manager are very good friends outside work I'm kinda stuck who to speak with.
And over 3 years I've been here "
how big the company is? |
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I've experienced thus from both sides (as an employee and as a manager)
When you say "contracted hours" do you mean your weekly contacted number of hours or do you mean overtime?
Overtime isn't a right and nor is it guaranteed.
When you say you're not a yes man do you mean you've been offered hours which don't suit you, so they've been given to someone else?
Employers can change your contract due to business need any time, with notice.
If you have a union, speak to them.
If you have an HR dept them also.
CAB give free advice also. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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Thanks for all the advice fabbers.
I've never been in a bad position with any employment it's all been new for me.
And as i can't really go into detail about the sentence I wrote about not being a yes man/roll without the possibility of giving things away that's all the advice I needed
Have a fun weekend |
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"There's rules for having hours cut, is it in your conetract?
If it's just you with cuts then how was the decision made? I'd look into constructive dismissal rules and contact ACAS.. might be a payout to be had.
I''ve gone through it a few times but being honest I'm shit with this kinda stuff. ACAS is the Next thing
You've gone through this sort of thing before.
And in your opening post you discuss not being a yes man and rolling over for your manager.
I;d echo the earlier post, before you accuse a manager of bullying you, I;d really look at your own behaviour. Is it acceptable? Is it what an employer wants from their staff?
I;m also wondering why you;d go straight to ACAS? Why not look at your grievance policy or speak to your HR department? Surely they should be your initial reactions?"
It's irrelevant about his own behaviour, if it had been bad he'd of had warnings both verbal and written I presume he has not had these! Does the op have a HR policy? If a boss just cuts your hours alone and no one else's and has given a reason as to how this decision was made with proof then you have grounds for constructive dismissal etc, in the 1st instance you inform them of a greivance and see if it can be resolved, if it can't be you take them the cleaners, but get the ACAS advice. |
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"I've experienced thus from both sides (as an employee and as a manager)
When you say "contracted hours" do you mean your weekly contacted number of hours or do you mean overtime?
Overtime isn't a right and nor is it guaranteed.
When you say you're not a yes man do you mean you've been offered hours which don't suit you, so they've been given to someone else?
Employers can change your contract due to business need any time, with notice.
If you have a union, speak to them.
If you have an HR dept them also.
CAB give free advice also."
They can't change your contracted hrs unless you have agreed to let them in your contract. |
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"Hey fabbers.
I'm normally a barrel of laughs and not a serious guy but this is getting me down.
So most of us have experienced some bullshit at work at some point I'd imagine.
Maybe someone can give some advice before I also ask acas.
The cutting of hours below your contracted hours due to not liking a different opinion to your boss is aloud?
For weeks I'm losing out on hours not because of poor business. But because I refuse to be a yes man and roll over.
I'm my eyes I'm being silently bullied.
Anyone else had the same happen?"
Join a union. |
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"There's rules for having hours cut, is it in your conetract?
If it's just you with cuts then how was the decision made? I'd look into constructive dismissal rules and contact ACAS.. might be a payout to be had.
I''ve gone through it a few times but being honest I'm shit with this kinda stuff. ACAS is the Next thing
You've gone through this sort of thing before.
And in your opening post you discuss not being a yes man and rolling over for your manager.
I;d echo the earlier post, before you accuse a manager of bullying you, I;d really look at your own behaviour. Is it acceptable? Is it what an employer wants from their staff?
I;m also wondering why you;d go straight to ACAS? Why not look at your grievance policy or speak to your HR department? Surely they should be your initial reactions?
It's irrelevant about his own behaviour, if it had been bad he'd of had warnings both verbal and written I presume he has not had these! Does the op have a HR policy? If a boss just cuts your hours alone and no one else's and has given a reason as to how this decision was made with proof then you have grounds for constructive dismissal etc, in the 1st instance you inform them of a greivance and see if it can be resolved, if it can't be you take them the cleaners, but get the ACAS advice."
I have no warnings never have wherever I have been.
Thanks I had a look through are grievance policy (I should of asked for that before this haha) and all tallys up with the advice here
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"Hey fabbers.
I'm normally a barrel of laughs and not a serious guy but this is getting me down.
So most of us have experienced some bullshit at work at some point I'd imagine.
Maybe someone can give some advice before I also ask acas.
The cutting of hours below your contracted hours due to not liking a different opinion to your boss is aloud?
For weeks I'm losing out on hours not because of poor business. But because I refuse to be a yes man and roll over.
I'm my eyes I'm being silently bullied.
Anyone else had the same happen?Join a union."
How? |
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