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" take canada for example, they got more guns per capita" No they don't. That's one of Michael Moore's many lies. | |||
"Rappers do" I thought it was rabbits? | |||
"Rappers do" I saw it in a documentary on BBC 2 | |||
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"Rappers do I saw it in a documentary on BBC 2" It's definately rabbits. Don't be fooled by this cute little bunny, because when he shoots you won't think it's funny. | |||
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"I only wish someone could go back in time to when the first musket type of gun was being invented and show them the future . They might change their mind . Worst invention ever !!" Because arrow wounds aren't gruesome? | |||
"I only wish someone could go back in time to when the first musket type of gun was being invented and show them the future . They might change their mind . Worst invention ever !! Because arrow wounds aren't gruesome? " Or swords  | |||
"I only wish someone could go back in time to when the first musket type of gun was being invented and show them the future . They might change their mind . Worst invention ever !! Because arrow wounds aren't gruesome? " Of course they are. But how many people in the modern day are killed by a bow n arrow  | |||
"I only wish someone could go back in time to when the first musket type of gun was being invented and show them the future . They might change their mind . Worst invention ever !! Because arrow wounds aren't gruesome? Of course they are. But how many people in the modern day are killed by a bow n arrow "Well there was a guy during WW2 called mad Jack..... | |||
"I only wish someone could go back in time to when the first musket type of gun was being invented and show them the future . They might change their mind . Worst invention ever !! Because arrow wounds aren't gruesome? Of course they are. But how many people in the modern day are killed by a bow n arrow "Missed the point didn't you! | |||
"Guns don't kill people, but guns make killing very efficient in the hands of the untrained and unvetted........ " ......American? Fify. 
America are in the spotlight for this type of story. They have lots of gun toting idiots that don’t just want to exercise their constitutional right to bear arms. But they make sure that to purchase an automatic rifle just as easy to purchase as a small concieled shooter for self defence.
I don’t know where I stand with ‘guns don’t kill/people do’, but I heard a comedian say, if you carry a mobile phone, your more likely to make a phone call.
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"Guns don't kill people, but guns make killing very efficient in the hands of the untrained and unvetted........ ......American? Fify.
America are in the spotlight for this type of story. They have lots of gun toting idiots that don’t just want to exercise their constitutional right to bear arms. But they make sure that to purchase an automatic rifle just as easy to purchase as a small concieled shooter for self defence.
I don’t know where I stand with ‘guns don’t kill/people do’, but I heard a comedian say, if you carry a mobile phone, your more likely to make a phone call.
"Just go the Chris Rock method of instead of gun control have bullet control and make every bullet cost $5000. Because if someone dies with $30,000 worth of bullets in them they must of done something  | |||
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"Rappers do I saw it in a documentary on BBC 2 It's definately rabbits. Don't be fooled by this cute little bunny, because when he shoots you won't think it's funny. " your real name isn't Anyanka by any chance? | |||
The problem is in America Americans cling to that bit of paper.
However the downside to banning a type of weapon, even if licenced a significant percentage of that weapon go underground or ‘off licence’ anyone owning that weapon is now by definition a criminal.
The handgun ban here and the earlier ban on centre fire semi autos are a good example of this. Guns were reported lost or stolen or reported deactivated or sold ...... to a false licence. True dat. | |||
"Rappers do" Sound of the police... woo woo woo | |||
"The hidden side if this is suicide by firearm. Most people who attempt suicide and fail end up dying of something else, because suicide is usually a permanent response to a temporary situation. People who attempt suicide with a gun almost always succeed." And death by toddler coming across firearm. Or the number of murders which are crimes gone wrong (which wouldn't have been as likely if the perps were armed with a knife). | |||
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"The hidden side if this is suicide by firearm. Most people who attempt suicide and fail end up dying of something else, because suicide is usually a permanent response to a temporary situation. People who attempt suicide with a gun almost always succeed." That was why the RUC and NI prison services had higher suicide rates than their UK counterparts. None of em attempted suicide. | |||
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"Guns for show, knives for a pro... "Only when your playing multiplayer COD. | |||
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"Is it a surprise Shag about America. Since the time the country was settled everything was sorted out,arguments settled by the gun. It's so deeply ingrained in their culture I don't see it changing in a long,long time." That is right, it is not a surprise, we saw what they did to the native americans. | |||
"Is it a surprise Shag about America. Since the time the country was settled everything was sorted out,arguments settled by the gun. It's so deeply ingrained in their culture I don't see it changing in a long,long time.That is right, it is not a surprise, we saw what they did to the native americans." Do you know what they did to the buffalo.When the first white settlers arrived there was up to 60 million buffalo by the 1900s only 300 left. There was a saying "Kill Every Buffalo You Can! Every Buffalo Dead Is an Indian Gone" | |||
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"Is it a surprise Shag about America. Since the time the country was settled everything was sorted out,arguments settled by the gun. It's so deeply ingrained in their culture I don't see it changing in a long,long time.That is right, it is not a surprise, we saw what they did to the native americans. Do you know what they did to the buffalo.When the first white settlers arrived there was up to 60 million buffalo by the 1900s only 300 left. There was a saying "Kill Every Buffalo You Can! Every Buffalo Dead Is an Indian Gone"" Yes, they did that too, so there wouldnt be any food left. | |||
"Is it a surprise Shag about America. Since the time the country was settled everything was sorted out,arguments settled by the gun. It's so deeply ingrained in their culture I don't see it changing in a long,long time.That is right, it is not a surprise, we saw what they did to the native americans. Do you know what they did to the buffalo.When the first white settlers arrived there was up to 60 million buffalo by the 1900s only 300 left. There was a saying "Kill Every Buffalo You Can! Every Buffalo Dead Is an Indian Gone"Yes, they did that too, so there wouldnt be any food left." You gonna retract your bullshit statement about canada any time soon and offer an official apology? | |||
"Is it a surprise Shag about America. Since the time the country was settled everything was sorted out,arguments settled by the gun. It's so deeply ingrained in their culture I don't see it changing in a long,long time.That is right, it is not a surprise, we saw what they did to the native americans. Do you know what they did to the buffalo.When the first white settlers arrived there was up to 60 million buffalo by the 1900s only 300 left. There was a saying "Kill Every Buffalo You Can! Every Buffalo Dead Is an Indian Gone"Yes, they did that too, so there wouldnt be any food left. You gonna retract your bullshit statement about canada any time soon and offer an official apology? " That is right. He should do that because of what he said about Canada. | |||
"Is it a surprise Shag about America. Since the time the country was settled everything was sorted out,arguments settled by the gun. It's so deeply ingrained in their culture I don't see it changing in a long,long time.That is right, it is not a surprise, we saw what they did to the native americans. Do you know what they did to the buffalo.When the first white settlers arrived there was up to 60 million buffalo by the 1900s only 300 left. There was a saying "Kill Every Buffalo You Can! Every Buffalo Dead Is an Indian Gone"Yes, they did that too, so there wouldnt be any food left. You gonna retract your bullshit statement about canada any time soon and offer an official apology? That is right. He should do that because of what he said about Canada. "He'll spark a diplomatic crisis between Canada and Sweden if he doesn't do it soon. France will of course side with Canada forcing Germany onto the side of Sweden and then all hell will break loose. | |||
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"Courtesy of research at Harvard University in respect of the USA 1. Where there are more guns there is more homicide (literature review) Our review of the academic literature found that a broad array of evidence indicates that gun availability is a risk factor for homicide, both in the United States and across high-income countries. Case-control studies, ecological time-series and cross-sectional studies indicate that in homes, cities, states and regions in the U.S., where there are more guns, both men and women are at a higher risk for homicide, particularly firearm homicide. Hepburn, Lisa; Hemenway, David. Firearm availability and homicide: A review of the literature. Aggression and Violent Behavior: A Review Journal. 2004; 9:417-40. 2. Across high-income nations, more guns = more homicide We analyzed the relationship between homicide and gun availability using data from 26 developed countries from the early 1990s. We found that across developed countries, where guns are more available, there are more homicides. These results often hold even when the United States is excluded. Hemenway, David; Miller, Matthew. Firearm availability and homicide rates across 26 high income countries. Journal of Trauma. 2000; 49:985-88. 3. Across states, more guns = more homicide Using a validated proxy for firearm ownership, we analyzed the relationship between firearm availability and homicide across 50 states over a ten-year period (1988-1997). After controlling for poverty and urbanization, for every age group, people in states with many guns have elevated rates of homicide, particularly firearm homicide. Miller, Matthew; Azrael, Deborah; Hemenway, David. Household firearm ownership levels and homicide rates across U.S. regions and states, 1988-1997. American Journal of Public Health. 2002; 92:1988-1993. 4. Across states, more guns = more homicide (2) Using survey data on rates of household gun ownership, we examined the association between gun availability and homicide across states, 2001-2003. We found that states with higher levels of household gun ownership had higher rates of firearm homicide and overall homicide. This relationship held for both genders and all age groups, after accounting for rates of aggravated assault, robbery, unemployment, urbanization, alcohol consumption, and resource deprivation (e.g., poverty). There was no association between gun prevalence and non-firearm homicide. Miller, Matthew; Azrael, Deborah; Hemenway, David. State-level homicide victimization rates in the U.S. in relation to survey measures of household firearm ownership, 2001-2003. Social Science and Medicine. 2007; 64:656-64. 5. A summary of the evidence on guns and violent death This book chapter summarizes the scientific literature on the relationship between gun prevalence (levels of household gun ownership) and suicide, homicide and unintentional firearm death and concludes that where there are higher levels of gun ownership, there are more gun suicides and more total suicides, more gun homicides and more total homicides, and more accidental gun deaths. This is the first chapter in the book and provides and up-to-date and readable summary of the literature on the relationship between guns and death. It also adds to the literature by using the National Violent Death Reporting System data to show where (home or away) the shootings occurred. Suicides for all age groups and homicides for children and aging adults most often occurred in their own home. Miller M, Azrael D, Hemenway D. Firearms and violence death in the United States. In: Webster DW, Vernick JS, eds. Reducing Gun Violence in America. Baltimore MD: Johns Hopkins University Press, 2013. 6. More guns = more homicides of police This article examines homicide rates of Law Enforcement Officers (LEOs) from 1996 to 2010. Differences in rates of homicides of LEOs across states are best explained not by differences in crime, but by differences in household gun ownership. In high gun states, LEOs are 3 times more likely to be murdered than LEOs working in low-gun states. This article was cited by President Obama in a speech to a police association. This article will hopefully bring police further into the camp of those pushing for sensible gun laws. Swedler DI, Simmons MM, Dominici F, Hemenway D. Firearm prevalence and homicides of law enforcement officers in the United States. American Journal of Public Health. 2015; 105:2042-48." Did they control for the population of rappers and rabbits? | |||
"Is it a surprise Shag about America. Since the time the country was settled everything was sorted out,arguments settled by the gun. It's so deeply ingrained in their culture I don't see it changing in a long,long time.That is right, it is not a surprise, we saw what they did to the native americans. Do you know what they did to the buffalo.When the first white settlers arrived there was up to 60 million buffalo by the 1900s only 300 left. There was a saying "Kill Every Buffalo You Can! Every Buffalo Dead Is an Indian Gone"Yes, they did that too, so there wouldnt be any food left. You gonna retract your bullshit statement about canada any time soon and offer an official apology? " No, we have to agree to disagree. | |||
"Is it a surprise Shag about America. Since the time the country was settled everything was sorted out,arguments settled by the gun. It's so deeply ingrained in their culture I don't see it changing in a long,long time.That is right, it is not a surprise, we saw what they did to the native americans. Do you know what they did to the buffalo.When the first white settlers arrived there was up to 60 million buffalo by the 1900s only 300 left. There was a saying "Kill Every Buffalo You Can! Every Buffalo Dead Is an Indian Gone"Yes, they did that too, so there wouldnt be any food left. You gonna retract your bullshit statement about canada any time soon and offer an official apology? No, we have to agree to disagree." Well said shag .Stick to your guns brother .  | |||
"Is it a surprise Shag about America. Since the time the country was settled everything was sorted out,arguments settled by the gun. It's so deeply ingrained in their culture I don't see it changing in a long,long time.That is right, it is not a surprise, we saw what they did to the native americans. Do you know what they did to the buffalo.When the first white settlers arrived there was up to 60 million buffalo by the 1900s only 300 left. There was a saying "Kill Every Buffalo You Can! Every Buffalo Dead Is an Indian Gone"Yes, they did that too, so there wouldnt be any food left. You gonna retract your bullshit statement about canada any time soon and offer an official apology? No, we have to agree to disagree." No we don't agree to disagree about facts. In fact the USA has nearly 4x as many guns per head than canada. You made the claim, she me the credible source that shows canada has more guns per capita? That waddling sack of shit Michael Moore is not a source. | |||
"Is it a surprise Shag about America. Since the time the country was settled everything was sorted out,arguments settled by the gun. It's so deeply ingrained in their culture I don't see it changing in a long,long time.That is right, it is not a surprise, we saw what they did to the native americans. Do you know what they did to the buffalo.When the first white settlers arrived there was up to 60 million buffalo by the 1900s only 300 left. There was a saying "Kill Every Buffalo You Can! Every Buffalo Dead Is an Indian Gone"" . How many buffalo is there now? | |||
"Courtesy of research at Harvard University in respect of the USA 1. Where there are more guns there is more homicide (literature review) Our review of the academic literature found that a broad array of evidence indicates that gun availability is a risk factor for homicide, both in the United States and across high-income countries. Case-control studies, ecological time-series and cross-sectional studies indicate that in homes, cities, states and regions in the U.S., where there are more guns, both men and women are at a higher risk for homicide, particularly firearm homicide. Hepburn, Lisa; Hemenway, David. Firearm availability and homicide: A review of the literature. Aggression and Violent Behavior: A Review Journal. 2004; 9:417-40. 2. Across high-income nations, more guns = more homicide We analyzed the relationship between homicide and gun availability using data from 26 developed countries from the early 1990s. We found that across developed countries, where guns are more available, there are more homicides. These results often hold even when the United States is excluded. Hemenway, David; Miller, Matthew. Firearm availability and homicide rates across 26 high income countries. Journal of Trauma. 2000; 49:985-88. 3. Across states, more guns = more homicide Using a validated proxy for firearm ownership, we analyzed the relationship between firearm availability and homicide across 50 states over a ten-year period (1988-1997). After controlling for poverty and urbanization, for every age group, people in states with many guns have elevated rates of homicide, particularly firearm homicide. Miller, Matthew; Azrael, Deborah; Hemenway, David. Household firearm ownership levels and homicide rates across U.S. regions and states, 1988-1997. American Journal of Public Health. 2002; 92:1988-1993. 4. Across states, more guns = more homicide (2) Using survey data on rates of household gun ownership, we examined the association between gun availability and homicide across states, 2001-2003. We found that states with higher levels of household gun ownership had higher rates of firearm homicide and overall homicide. This relationship held for both genders and all age groups, after accounting for rates of aggravated assault, robbery, unemployment, urbanization, alcohol consumption, and resource deprivation (e.g., poverty). There was no association between gun prevalence and non-firearm homicide. Miller, Matthew; Azrael, Deborah; Hemenway, David. State-level homicide victimization rates in the U.S. in relation to survey measures of household firearm ownership, 2001-2003. Social Science and Medicine. 2007; 64:656-64. 5. A summary of the evidence on guns and violent death This book chapter summarizes the scientific literature on the relationship between gun prevalence (levels of household gun ownership) and suicide, homicide and unintentional firearm death and concludes that where there are higher levels of gun ownership, there are more gun suicides and more total suicides, more gun homicides and more total homicides, and more accidental gun deaths. This is the first chapter in the book and provides and up-to-date and readable summary of the literature on the relationship between guns and death. It also adds to the literature by using the National Violent Death Reporting System data to show where (home or away) the shootings occurred. Suicides for all age groups and homicides for children and aging adults most often occurred in their own home. Miller M, Azrael D, Hemenway D. Firearms and violence death in the United States. In: Webster DW, Vernick JS, eds. Reducing Gun Violence in America. Baltimore MD: Johns Hopkins University Press, 2013. 6. More guns = more homicides of police This article examines homicide rates of Law Enforcement Officers (LEOs) from 1996 to 2010. Differences in rates of homicides of LEOs across states are best explained not by differences in crime, but by differences in household gun ownership. In high gun states, LEOs are 3 times more likely to be murdered than LEOs working in low-gun states. This article was cited by President Obama in a speech to a police association. This article will hopefully bring police further into the camp of those pushing for sensible gun laws. Swedler DI, Simmons MM, Dominici F, Hemenway D. Firearm prevalence and homicides of law enforcement officers in the United States. American Journal of Public Health. 2015; 105:2042-48." Thank you for that .... I knew I was right all along about enabling angry people to do very bad things You rock that look by the way .... superb taste in lingerie | |||
"Rappers do" SO DO THA POLICE!! Woo woo woo! | |||
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"Most Americans including am awful lot of republicans are for tighter gun control, gun control is mostly mandated at state level and not federal, the biggest problem seems to be getting republicans and democrats to work together to get a better deal for everybody including gun owners. Unfortunately there's the rabid bunch on both sides (guns for everybody like sweets) and no guns at all (because 300 years ago some white guys shot all the bison)." Because democrats are habitual liars who don't really want gun control, they want constitutional change. Republicans have learnt the lessons from abortion. I don't actually agree with the Republican view of guns, but i understand why they don't trust the democrats. | |||
"Is it a surprise Shag about America. Since the time the country was settled everything was sorted out,arguments settled by the gun. It's so deeply ingrained in their culture I don't see it changing in a long,long time.That is right, it is not a surprise, we saw what they did to the native americans. Do you know what they did to the buffalo.When the first white settlers arrived there was up to 60 million buffalo by the 1900s only 300 left. There was a saying "Kill Every Buffalo You Can! Every Buffalo Dead Is an Indian Gone"Yes, they did that too, so there wouldnt be any food left. You gonna retract your bullshit statement about canada any time soon and offer an official apology? No, we have to agree to disagree. Well said shag .Stick to your guns brother . "Ty pal. I am sticking to my guns on this too  | |||
"Is it a surprise Shag about America. Since the time the country was settled everything was sorted out,arguments settled by the gun. It's so deeply ingrained in their culture I don't see it changing in a long,long time.That is right, it is not a surprise, we saw what they did to the native americans. Do you know what they did to the buffalo.When the first white settlers arrived there was up to 60 million buffalo by the 1900s only 300 left. There was a saying "Kill Every Buffalo You Can! Every Buffalo Dead Is an Indian Gone"Yes, they did that too, so there wouldnt be any food left. You gonna retract your bullshit statement about canada any time soon and offer an official apology? No, we have to agree to disagree. Well said shag .Stick to your guns brother . Ty pal. I am sticking to my guns on this too "Only in 2018  | |||
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"We had an interesting discussion about it as there was another shooting in usa, whilst there are countrys that are more gun nuts than others, statistics show that it doesnt have to be like that, take canada for example, they got more guns per capita and almost nothing happens, whats your view, is it down to culture?" Who do you having these interesting discussions with.? | |||
"We had an interesting discussion about it as there was another shooting in usa, whilst there are countrys that are more gun nuts than others, statistics show that it doesnt have to be like that, take canada for example, they got more guns per capita and almost nothing happens, whats your view, is it down to culture?" I think it is. A gun can Onley kill if a person lods it and palls the trigger. | |||
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"We had an interesting discussion about it as there was another shooting in usa, whilst there are countrys that are more gun nuts than others, statistics show that it doesnt have to be like that, take canada for example, they got more guns per capita and almost nothing happens, whats your view, is it down to culture? Who do you having these interesting discussions with.? "I have it with parents and friends | |||
"We had an interesting discussion about it as there was another shooting in usa, whilst there are countrys that are more gun nuts than others, statistics show that it doesnt have to be like that, take canada for example, they got more guns per capita and almost nothing happens, whats your view, is it down to culture?" You need to look more deeply, there have been many shootings in Canada. Maybe it is people who pull the trigger, but readily available firearms allow them to do so. Sure there are many responsible gun owners/hunters, but perhaps in the interest of safety they could find another hobby? All the owners of handguns post Dunblane found other things to do? I've been carrying weapons since leaving school and when I move on from what I do I won't miss them atall. | |||
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"I new id hard this summer befor.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=X6bbXgUNOws"Sorry op i think i killed the thread. | |||
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"If guns didn’t exist they would all have knives instead. It’s just the most efficient way of killing something. So u ban guns, then u gonna ban knives? What kind of knives? Where’s the line? It Doesn’t really address the problem " You can kill a lot more people with a gun before it's stopped compared to a knife! | |||
"If guns didn’t exist they would all have knives instead. It’s just the most efficient way of killing something. So u ban guns, then u gonna ban knives? What kind of knives? Where’s the line? It Doesn’t really address the problem You can kill a lot more people with a gun before it's stopped compared to a knife!" As a percentage, how many people who kill with a gun, go on to kill more than one person? I’m pretty sure it’s very small. | |||
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"To legally own guns there are lots of checks . It's the illegal ones they need to crack down on. Harsher penalties for owning/carrying them." There may be in the UK, but in the USA it can be exceedingly simple to purchase a gun | |||
"The 2nd amendment - A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed. Now written in a time when guns were needed to protect the states should a war happen... Somewhat out dated now with the likes of the national guard. Now what is interesting is near every gun store, there is an off licence... Whilst yes there is a "cooling off" period, its still quite easy to lay hands on a firearm, legally or otherwise. In a country where gun laws are so slack its hard to maintain. So flip it around... In the 90s we had a mass shooting in the UK, gun laws were tightened, a gun amnesty put in place and people surrendered firearms... How many mass shootings have we had since? The answer is none... Australia and others followed suit after mass shootings and zero since. So the US... Need to seriously look at the consitution of rights and rework it from beginning to end and bring a piece of paper 300 years old into present. " Guess you missed the incident in Cumbria in 2010...also the shootings in Manchester this summer. There's been 10 shootings in Huddersfield alone this summer...I think your kidding yourself if you think the banning of hand guns as solved the problem. | |||
"I new id hard this summer befor.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=X6bbXgUNOws
Sorry op i think i killed the thread. "Yes, you did there pal | |||
"We had an interesting discussion about it as there was another shooting in usa, whilst there are countrys that are more gun nuts than others, statistics show that it doesnt have to be like that, take canada for example, they got more guns per capita and almost nothing happens, whats your view, is it down to culture?" That's because Canadians are very friendly to everyone, or so I am lead to believe due to American comedians and TV programs. | |||
"The 2nd amendment - A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed. Now written in a time when guns were needed to protect the states should a war happen... Somewhat out dated now with the likes of the national guard. Now what is interesting is near every gun store, there is an off licence... Whilst yes there is a "cooling off" period, its still quite easy to lay hands on a firearm, legally or otherwise. In a country where gun laws are so slack its hard to maintain. So flip it around... In the 90s we had a mass shooting in the UK, gun laws were tightened, a gun amnesty put in place and people surrendered firearms... How many mass shootings have we had since? The answer is none... Australia and others followed suit after mass shootings and zero since. So the US... Need to seriously look at the consitution of rights and rework it from beginning to end and bring a piece of paper 300 years old into present. Guess you missed the incident in Cumbria in 2010...also the shootings in Manchester this summer. There's been 10 shootings in Huddersfield alone this summer...I think your kidding yourself if you think the banning of hand guns as solved the problem. " The less guns in circulation, the less they can be misused. If guns were as freely accessible here as they are in the states you would be looking at a good percentage of assaults and attacks that were unarmed or using other weapons, being done with firearms. Also a lot of situations where they don’t escalate because one or both parties don’t feel confident to use violence, may well escalate dramatically if one or both people have guns. | |||
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"Sweden has one of the highest gun ownership rates in the world. but sweden has one-seventh the number of gun fatalities per person as the U.S. Americans could learn much from the Swedish . You can't get a gun for protection ,it's not really a valid reason but you can if you join a shooting club or you hunt. It's about culture .Amerircans a fearful and scared people the swedes arent. "https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.spectator.co.uk/2018/02/violent-crime-in-sweden-is-soaring-when-will-politicians-act/amp/ Yeah they seem to prefer grenade attacks over there. | |||
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"Sweden has one of the highest gun ownership rates in the world. but sweden has one-seventh the number of gun fatalities per person as the U.S. Americans could learn much from the Swedish . You can't get a gun for protection ,it's not really a valid reason but you can if you join a shooting club or you hunt. It's about culture .Amerircans a fearful and scared people the swedes arent.
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.spectator.co.uk/2018/02/violent-crime-in-sweden-is-soaring-when-will-politicians-act/amp/ Yeah they seem to prefer grenade attacks over there. "In particular the M75 Grenade from Yugoslavia .Someone imported a huge cache and distributed them to rival gangs .  | |||
"We had an interesting discussion about it as there was another shooting in usa, whilst there are countrys that are more gun nuts than others, statistics show that it doesnt have to be like that, take canada for example, they got more guns per capita and almost nothing happens, whats your view, is it down to culture?" Was thinking about this after the shooting of Botham Jean in Dallas by Amber Guyger, an off duty police officer. The debate that raged in the US was how she could have mistaken his her apartment for her own, whilst I was thinking why would you pull a gun on someone and shoot them in these circumstances in the first place! I think it's down to the culture, there's an expectation that in a 'dangerous' or unknown situation that someone's likely to pull a gun on you. In the UK that's the last thing we'd assume but over there they get the shot in first and ask questions later..bizarre. | |||
" It's about culture .Amerircans a fearful and scared people the swedes arent. "
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" It's about culture .Amerircans a fearful and scared people the swedes arent.
You beat me too it!"Sweden would be a bad example for this it’s got a load of gun crime, one group of bikers used a rocket launcher in the 80’s on another gangs club house. | |||
" It's about culture .Amerircans a fearful and scared people the swedes arent.
You beat me too it!
Sweden would be a bad example for this it’s got a load of gun crime, one group of bikers used a rocket launcher in the 80’s on another gangs club house. "Still the murder rate per 100,000 is 1.1 in Sweden and 4.9 in the USA. It's a killer culture . | |||
"The 2nd amendment - A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed. Now written in a time when guns were needed to protect the states should a war happen... Somewhat out dated now with the likes of the national guard. Now what is interesting is near every gun store, there is an off licence... Whilst yes there is a "cooling off" period, its still quite easy to lay hands on a firearm, legally or otherwise. In a country where gun laws are so slack its hard to maintain. So flip it around... In the 90s we had a mass shooting in the UK, gun laws were tightened, a gun amnesty put in place and people surrendered firearms... How many mass shootings have we had since? The answer is none... Australia and others followed suit after mass shootings and zero since. So the US... Need to seriously look at the consitution of rights and rework it from beginning to end and bring a piece of paper 300 years old into present. Guess you missed the incident in Cumbria in 2010...also the shootings in Manchester this summer. There's been 10 shootings in Huddersfield alone this summer...I think your kidding yourself if you think the banning of hand guns as solved the problem. " Another in London last night. | |||
"The 2nd amendment - A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed. Now written in a time when guns were needed to protect the states should a war happen... Somewhat out dated now with the likes of the national guard. Now what is interesting is near every gun store, there is an off licence... Whilst yes there is a "cooling off" period, its still quite easy to lay hands on a firearm, legally or otherwise. In a country where gun laws are so slack its hard to maintain. So flip it around... In the 90s we had a mass shooting in the UK, gun laws were tightened, a gun amnesty put in place and people surrendered firearms... How many mass shootings have we had since? The answer is none... Australia and others followed suit after mass shootings and zero since. So the US... Need to seriously look at the consitution of rights and rework it from beginning to end and bring a piece of paper 300 years old into present. Guess you missed the incident in Cumbria in 2010...also the shootings in Manchester this summer. There's been 10 shootings in Huddersfield alone this summer...I think your kidding yourself if you think the banning of hand guns as solved the problem. Another in London last night. " London has a lower murder rate per 100,000 than north Wales...Just saying | |||
"The 2nd amendment - A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed. Now written in a time when guns were needed to protect the states should a war happen... Somewhat out dated now with the likes of the national guard. Now what is interesting is near every gun store, there is an off licence... Whilst yes there is a "cooling off" period, its still quite easy to lay hands on a firearm, legally or otherwise. In a country where gun laws are so slack its hard to maintain. So flip it around... In the 90s we had a mass shooting in the UK, gun laws were tightened, a gun amnesty put in place and people surrendered firearms... How many mass shootings have we had since? The answer is none... Australia and others followed suit after mass shootings and zero since. So the US... Need to seriously look at the consitution of rights and rework it from beginning to end and bring a piece of paper 300 years old into present. Guess you missed the incident in Cumbria in 2010...also the shootings in Manchester this summer. There's been 10 shootings in Huddersfield alone this summer...I think your kidding yourself if you think the banning of hand guns as solved the problem. The less guns in circulation, the less they can be misused. If guns were as freely accessible here as they are in the states you would be looking at a good percentage of assaults and attacks that were unarmed or using other weapons, being done with firearms. Also a lot of situations where they don’t escalate because one or both parties don’t feel confident to use violence, may well escalate dramatically if one or both people have guns. " You could have a compleat ban on guns and there would still be guns out on the street. Where there's a will,there's always a way to beat the system. By removing legally owned guns wouldn't solve the problem. Wasn't long ago they discovered a illegal gun factory,that's just one,there will be others. Then there's the wonderful world of the internet. Look in the right places you can buy anything for the right price. It's just like flick knives are illegal in this country. If you buy the right lock knife,all what is missing is the spring that turns it from being a lock knife in to a flick knife. Like I said,where there's a will,there's always a way. | |||
"The 2nd amendment - A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed. Now written in a time when guns were needed to protect the states should a war happen... Somewhat out dated now with the likes of the national guard. Now what is interesting is near every gun store, there is an off licence... Whilst yes there is a "cooling off" period, its still quite easy to lay hands on a firearm, legally or otherwise. In a country where gun laws are so slack its hard to maintain. So flip it around... In the 90s we had a mass shooting in the UK, gun laws were tightened, a gun amnesty put in place and people surrendered firearms... How many mass shootings have we had since? The answer is none... Australia and others followed suit after mass shootings and zero since. So the US... Need to seriously look at the consitution of rights and rework it from beginning to end and bring a piece of paper 300 years old into present. Guess you missed the incident in Cumbria in 2010...also the shootings in Manchester this summer. There's been 10 shootings in Huddersfield alone this summer...I think your kidding yourself if you think the banning of hand guns as solved the problem. The less guns in circulation, the less they can be misused. If guns were as freely accessible here as they are in the states you would be looking at a good percentage of assaults and attacks that were unarmed or using other weapons, being done with firearms. Also a lot of situations where they don’t escalate because one or both parties don’t feel confident to use violence, may well escalate dramatically if one or both people have guns. You could have a compleat ban on guns and there would still be guns out on the street. Where there's a will,there's always a way to beat the system. By removing legally owned guns wouldn't solve the problem. Wasn't long ago they discovered a illegal gun factory,that's just one,there will be others. Then there's the wonderful world of the internet. Look in the right places you can buy anything for the right price. It's just like flick knives are illegal in this country. If you buy the right lock knife,all what is missing is the spring that turns it from being a lock knife in to a flick knife. Like I said,where there's a will,there's always a way. " Hungerford, dunblain and Cumbria were legal gun owners. It’s not easy to go and get an illegal gun, most people who try will just get ripped off. I’d rather a small amount of illegal guns than a fuck tonne of legal ones. As would I suspect most people. | |||
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"Most Americans including am awful lot of republicans are for tighter gun control, gun control is mostly mandated at state level and not federal, the biggest problem seems to be getting republicans and democrats to work together to get a better deal for everybody including gun owners. Unfortunately there's the rabid bunch on both sides (guns for everybody like sweets) and no guns at all (because 300 years ago some white guys shot all the bison). Because democrats are habitual liars who don't really want gun control, they want constitutional change. Republicans have learnt the lessons from abortion. I don't actually agree with the Republican view of guns, but i understand why they don't trust the democrats. " . Some of The republicans are awful on this subject but to be fair the democrats use mass gun shootings as a political tool, they almost welcome them, the white supremacists Dylan guy who shot the black folks in the church was all over the media quite rightly but only a week later a black Somali guy shot up white folks in a white church and it barely made the media, bad things are used on both sides for political measures. The Somali guy was brought to a stop by a legal carry church goer hence the non media interest. | |||
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"We had an interesting discussion about it as there was another shooting in usa, whilst there are countrys that are more gun nuts than others, statistics show that it doesnt have to be like that, take canada for example, they got more guns per capita and almost nothing happens, whats your view, is it down to culture?" That's some nonsense stats, where did you get that from. Canada isn't close. And nor is population density, after you'd killed your neighbour you'd probably have to drive 20 miles to the next one | |||
"As for the illegal gun factory, he was manufacturing ammunition in obsolete callibre. You can legally buy firearms in obsolete callibres as they are antiques that need no deactivation as the ammunition is unobtainable. Unless some one can make it. Rolling your own modern ammo requires presses and tools. Making 8mm flobert or pinfire would be very difficult. So that guy was a one off. The police helicopter that was fired at during the London riots was shot at with an 8mm French service revolver from the 1800’s So there are not masses of illegal guns as you infer, if that’s the sort of lengths people are willing to go to obtain a firing gun. " I really hope you are right,but I'm not holding my breath. A vist to the royal armouries in Leeds will show you the type of guns on the streets of the uk. They have a long display glass case full of guns recovered off of the streets. It will make your eyes pop out of your head at all of the different types of guns. Personally I was stunned when I saw it,it sent shivers down my spine when I saw what was out there. | |||
"We had an interesting discussion about it as there was another shooting in usa, whilst there are countrys that are more gun nuts than others, statistics show that it doesnt have to be like that, take canada for example, they got more guns per capita and almost nothing happens, whats your view, is it down to culture? That's some nonsense stats, where did you get that from. Canada isn't close. And nor is population density, after you'd killed your neighbour you'd probably have to drive 20 miles to the next one "Toronto, Calgary, Vancouver, Edmonton to name sone......check out facts on gun crime and the shootings. | |||
"We had an interesting discussion about it as there was another shooting in usa, whilst there are countrys that are more gun nuts than others, statistics show that it doesnt have to be like that, take canada for example, they got more guns per capita and almost nothing happens, whats your view, is it down to culture? That's some nonsense stats, where did you get that from. Canada isn't close. And nor is population density, after you'd killed your neighbour you'd probably have to drive 20 miles to the next one "Canadas murder rate is 2.05 in every 100,000. The USA is 5.0. In Canada there are 30.8 guns per hundred residents quite high but in the USA it's 88.8 per hundred residents the highest anywhere on earth . | |||
"We had an interesting discussion about it as there was another shooting in usa, whilst there are countrys that are more gun nuts than others, statistics show that it doesnt have to be like that, take canada for example, they got more guns per capita and almost nothing happens, whats your view, is it down to culture? That's some nonsense stats, where did you get that from. Canada isn't close. And nor is population density, after you'd killed your neighbour you'd probably have to drive 20 miles to the next one
Canadas murder rate is 2.05 in every 100,000. The USA is 5.0.
In Canada there are 30.8 guns per hundred residents quite high but in the USA it's 88.8 per hundred residents the highest anywhere on earth . "So now you want to contradict the OP after you told him to stick to his guns? | |||
"We had an interesting discussion about it as there was another shooting in usa, whilst there are countrys that are more gun nuts than others, statistics show that it doesnt have to be like that, take canada for example, they got more guns per capita and almost nothing happens, whats your view, is it down to culture? That's some nonsense stats, where did you get that from. Canada isn't close. And nor is population density, after you'd killed your neighbour you'd probably have to drive 20 miles to the next one
Canadas murder rate is 2.05 in every 100,000. The USA is 5.0.
In Canada there are 30.8 guns per hundred residents quite high but in the USA it's 88.8 per hundred residents the highest anywhere on earth .
So now you want to contradict the OP after you told him to stick to his guns? "Yes Its 2018 you can believe anything you want .Everyone has a right to an opinion informed or not ... | |||
"We had an interesting discussion about it as there was another shooting in usa, whilst there are countrys that are more gun nuts than others, statistics show that it doesnt have to be like that, take canada for example, they got more guns per capita and almost nothing happens, whats your view, is it down to culture? That's some nonsense stats, where did you get that from. Canada isn't close. And nor is population density, after you'd killed your neighbour you'd probably have to drive 20 miles to the next one
Canadas murder rate is 2.05 in every 100,000. The USA is 5.0.
In Canada there are 30.8 guns per hundred residents quite high but in the USA it's 88.8 per hundred residents the highest anywhere on earth .
So now you want to contradict the OP after you told him to stick to his guns? Yes Its 2018 you can believe anything you want .Everyone has a right to an opinion informed or not ... "He didn't state an opinion, he stated what he thought was a fact. I guess you've forgotten the difference | |||
"We had an interesting discussion about it as there was another shooting in usa, whilst there are countrys that are more gun nuts than others, statistics show that it doesnt have to be like that, take canada for example, they got more guns per capita and almost nothing happens, whats your view, is it down to culture? That's some nonsense stats, where did you get that from. Canada isn't close. And nor is population density, after you'd killed your neighbour you'd probably have to drive 20 miles to the next one
Canadas murder rate is 2.05 in every 100,000. The USA is 5.0.
In Canada there are 30.8 guns per hundred residents quite high but in the USA it's 88.8 per hundred residents the highest anywhere on earth .
So now you want to contradict the OP after you told him to stick to his guns? Yes Its 2018 you can believe anything you want .Everyone has a right to an opinion informed or not ...
He didn't state an opinion, he stated what he thought was a fact. I guess you've forgotten the difference "His heart was in the right place . | |||
"The 2nd amendment - A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed. Now written in a time when guns were needed to protect the states should a war happen... Somewhat out dated now with the likes of the national guard. Now what is interesting is near every gun store, there is an off licence... Whilst yes there is a "cooling off" period, its still quite easy to lay hands on a firearm, legally or otherwise. In a country where gun laws are so slack its hard to maintain. So flip it around... In the 90s we had a mass shooting in the UK, gun laws were tightened, a gun amnesty put in place and people surrendered firearms... How many mass shootings have we had since? The answer is none... Australia and others followed suit after mass shootings and zero since. So the US... Need to seriously look at the consitution of rights and rework it from beginning to end and bring a piece of paper 300 years old into present. " Of course if you wanted to change the constitution to prevent Americans being killed then the first thing you'd outlaw would be abortion rather than guns. Given that 38x more people die from abortion than firearms in the US. | |||
"The 2nd amendment - A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed. Now written in a time when guns were needed to protect the states should a war happen... Somewhat out dated now with the likes of the national guard. Now what is interesting is near every gun store, there is an off licence... Whilst yes there is a "cooling off" period, its still quite easy to lay hands on a firearm, legally or otherwise. In a country where gun laws are so slack its hard to maintain. So flip it around... In the 90s we had a mass shooting in the UK, gun laws were tightened, a gun amnesty put in place and people surrendered firearms... How many mass shootings have we had since? The answer is none... Australia and others followed suit after mass shootings and zero since. So the US... Need to seriously look at the consitution of rights and rework it from beginning to end and bring a piece of paper 300 years old into present. Of course if you wanted to change the constitution to prevent Americans being killed then the first thing you'd outlaw would be abortion rather than guns. Given that 38x more people die from abortion than firearms in the US. " How do people die from abortion .Do you mean viable fetus. Catholics | |||
"The 2nd amendment - A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed. Now written in a time when guns were needed to protect the states should a war happen... Somewhat out dated now with the likes of the national guard. Now what is interesting is near every gun store, there is an off licence... Whilst yes there is a "cooling off" period, its still quite easy to lay hands on a firearm, legally or otherwise. In a country where gun laws are so slack its hard to maintain. So flip it around... In the 90s we had a mass shooting in the UK, gun laws were tightened, a gun amnesty put in place and people surrendered firearms... How many mass shootings have we had since? The answer is none... Australia and others followed suit after mass shootings and zero since. So the US... Need to seriously look at the consitution of rights and rework it from beginning to end and bring a piece of paper 300 years old into present. Of course if you wanted to change the constitution to prevent Americans being killed then the first thing you'd outlaw would be abortion rather than guns. Given that 38x more people die from abortion than firearms in the US. How do people die from abortion .Do you mean viable fetus. Catholics "A lot more than die from guns. I wonder how many democrats would give up their right to abortion, if Republicans gave up their right to firearms. | |||
"The 2nd amendment - A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed. Now written in a time when guns were needed to protect the states should a war happen... Somewhat out dated now with the likes of the national guard. Now what is interesting is near every gun store, there is an off licence... Whilst yes there is a "cooling off" period, its still quite easy to lay hands on a firearm, legally or otherwise. In a country where gun laws are so slack its hard to maintain. So flip it around... In the 90s we had a mass shooting in the UK, gun laws were tightened, a gun amnesty put in place and people surrendered firearms... How many mass shootings have we had since? The answer is none... Australia and others followed suit after mass shootings and zero since. So the US... Need to seriously look at the consitution of rights and rework it from beginning to end and bring a piece of paper 300 years old into present. Of course if you wanted to change the constitution to prevent Americans being killed then the first thing you'd outlaw would be abortion rather than guns. Given that 38x more people die from abortion than firearms in the US. How do people die from abortion .Do you mean viable fetus. Catholics
A lot more than die from guns. I wonder how many democrats would give up their right to abortion, if Republicans gave up their right to firearms. "I though it was a woman's right regardless of politics. | |||
"We had an interesting discussion about it as there was another shooting in usa, whilst there are countrys that are more gun nuts than others, statistics show that it doesnt have to be like that, take canada for example, they got more guns per capita and almost nothing happens, whats your view, is it down to culture? That's some nonsense stats, where did you get that from. Canada isn't close. And nor is population density, after you'd killed your neighbour you'd probably have to drive 20 miles to the next one
Canadas murder rate is 2.05 in every 100,000. The USA is 5.0.
In Canada there are 30.8 guns per hundred residents quite high but in the USA it's 88.8 per hundred residents the highest anywhere on earth . "you don't say, spot that OP, almost directly equating to the kills per head, so next?? | |||
"We had an interesting discussion about it as there was another shooting in usa, whilst there are countrys that are more gun nuts than others, statistics show that it doesnt have to be like that, take canada for example, they got more guns per capita and almost nothing happens, whats your view, is it down to culture? That's some nonsense stats, where did you get that from. Canada isn't close. And nor is population density, after you'd killed your neighbour you'd probably have to drive 20 miles to the next one
Canadas murder rate is 2.05 in every 100,000. The USA is 5.0.
In Canada there are 30.8 guns per hundred residents quite high but in the USA it's 88.8 per hundred residents the highest anywhere on earth . you don't say, spot that OP, almost directly equating to the kills per head, so next?? "What about kills per rapper though? | |||
"The 2nd amendment - A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed. Now written in a time when guns were needed to protect the states should a war happen... Somewhat out dated now with the likes of the national guard. Now what is interesting is near every gun store, there is an off licence... Whilst yes there is a "cooling off" period, its still quite easy to lay hands on a firearm, legally or otherwise. In a country where gun laws are so slack its hard to maintain. So flip it around... In the 90s we had a mass shooting in the UK, gun laws were tightened, a gun amnesty put in place and people surrendered firearms... How many mass shootings have we had since? The answer is none... Australia and others followed suit after mass shootings and zero since. So the US... Need to seriously look at the consitution of rights and rework it from beginning to end and bring a piece of paper 300 years old into present. Of course if you wanted to change the constitution to prevent Americans being killed then the first thing you'd outlaw would be abortion rather than guns. Given that 38x more people die from abortion than firearms in the US. " ex pet they aren't people. Or maybe we ban sex without condoms, but hang on all those dead sperm, so we ban wanking, but hang on what about all thus women havimg periods without fertilising their eggs. I know, forced sex with as many fertile men as possible around ovulation, that fixes all the poor dying eggs and the wanking problem. Oh, what are you going to do with all those extra people that weren't aborted? And now all those extra billions from non dead eggs. Bit harsh on all those sperm that didn't make it though, let's have a campaign for equality. No even better, Sterilise everybody as soon as they have produced a couple of eggs or some sperm then the government doles out their kids when it's right. | |||
"I only wish someone could go back in time to when the first musket type of gun was being invented and show them the future . They might change their mind . Worst invention ever !! Because arrow wounds aren't gruesome? Of course they are. But how many people in the modern day are killed by a bow n arrow
Well there was a guy during WW2 called mad Jack....."plus did some lady not kill someone who had broken into her home not so long ago | |||
"Rappers do I saw it in a documentary on BBC 2" Shot to death outside Hyper Value | |||
"Rappers do I saw it in a documentary on BBC 2 Shot to death outside Hyper Value "I'm a fucking rapper and I might kill you | |||
"The 2nd amendment - A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed. Now written in a time when guns were needed to protect the states should a war happen... Somewhat out dated now with the likes of the national guard. Now what is interesting is near every gun store, there is an off licence... Whilst yes there is a "cooling off" period, its still quite easy to lay hands on a firearm, legally or otherwise. In a country where gun laws are so slack its hard to maintain. So flip it around... In the 90s we had a mass shooting in the UK, gun laws were tightened, a gun amnesty put in place and people surrendered firearms... How many mass shootings have we had since? The answer is none... Australia and others followed suit after mass shootings and zero since. So the US... Need to seriously look at the consitution of rights and rework it from beginning to end and bring a piece of paper 300 years old into present. Of course if you wanted to change the constitution to prevent Americans being killed then the first thing you'd outlaw would be abortion rather than guns. Given that 38x more people die from abortion than firearms in the US. " Are you on crack? | |||
"I new id hard this summer befor.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=X6bbXgUNOws
Sorry op i think i killed the thread. Yes, you did there pal "And without using a gun | |||
