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Have you every felt you do not belong on this earth and do not know why you been put on this earth.. Because same time i feel that way and do not know why?  |
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"Have you every felt you do not belong on this earth and do not know why you been put on this earth.. Because same time i feel that way and do not know why? "
We all feel like that sometimes. But bloody hell look at what you’ve achieved! That’s fantastic. You’ve obviously got the motivation and willpower to do that. Can i pinch some?! |
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"I used to. I'm also a nihilist so don't believe that anyone has a purpose anyway."
Are you? That’s always intrigued me a bit. What’s the difference between that and an atheist? It’s similar isn’t it, I may be wrong though! |
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"Have you every felt you do not belong on this earth and do not know why you been put on this earth.. Because same time i feel that way and do not know why?
We all feel like that sometimes. But bloody hell look at what you’ve achieved! That’s fantastic. You’ve obviously got the motivation and willpower to do that. Can i pinch some?! "
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"I used to. I'm also a nihilist so don't believe that anyone has a purpose anyway.
Are you? That’s always intrigued me a bit. What’s the difference between that and an atheist? It’s similar isn’t it, I may be wrong though! "
An atheist is certain that there isn't a god.
A nihilist (there are many types) doesn't believe in anything as a fact. That there are no right or wrong values and that existence is meaningless. |
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"I used to. I'm also a nihilist so don't believe that anyone has a purpose anyway.
Are you? That’s always intrigued me a bit. What’s the difference between that and an atheist? It’s similar isn’t it, I may be wrong though!
An atheist is certain that there isn't a god.
A nihilist (there are many types) doesn't believe in anything as a fact. That there are no right or wrong values and that existence is meaningless."
Not sure why you need to differentiate ?
I'd suggest I'm both
An atheist is a simple broad brush
A without
Theism belief in any human invented god concept
I know axioms exist
I have no reason to suspect that humans have a reason I also think right and wrong exist as valid concepts but only exist as a perspective to human existence and are not absolute
Ie it is wrong to r*pe a human who does not wish to be fucked
Some atheists are certain
But that is not its most fundamental definition
Only a modification or presumption of them
Agnostics are atheists who have no belief
A , theism
Yet would not rule out the possibility of a concept being convincing enough to form a belief in the future even though they may reason that is doubtful or none plausible
I think the concept of reason can only be attributed by a sentient mind that can itself reason beyond that I feel things only have causation
Thus to my knowledge only humans can give reason or purpose thus other than another human giving a human a reason to be they solely exist as a result of a chain of causation events . That does not mean a human cannot give itself a reason to be, although if it suggests that as an absolute given reason by a guiding force I'd suggest they were wrong x |
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"Have you every felt you do not belong on this earth and do not know why you been put on this earth.. Because same time i feel that way and do not know why?
We all feel like that sometimes. But bloody hell look at what you’ve achieved! That’s fantastic. You’ve obviously got the motivation and willpower to do that. Can i pinch some?! "
how would u pinch it i always have willpower as well being positive. |
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"Have you every felt you do not belong on this earth and do not know why you been put on this earth.. Because same time i feel that way and do not know why? "
everyday .... but we cope and carry on. one day it will change for the better |
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I'd describe myself as a nihilist theist.
Atheism is the use of scepticism to a point which remains palatable to the individual. Atheists, for example, will typically be hyper sceptical of anything voiced by theists but will abandon all scepticism the minute science enters the room, accepting with dewy eyed naivety the reality of things like dark matter etc. In this sense atheism is scepticism-lite, employed in a one sided manner in order to support a particularly desired result.
Nihilism presses through that and applies scepticism uniformly. Because of this it usually attacks the nihilists own belief systems. In the case of an atheist, as I was, my scepticism attacked my atheism and found it largely fallacious. Since then I became a theist as my nihilism hasn't yet been able to find the faults in that... although I'm still trying |
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"Not sure why you need to differentiate ?
Because i'm ignostic and not atheist."
Differentiate what? Atheism and agnosticism are totally different things. |
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"Have you every felt you do not belong on this earth and do not know why you been put on this earth.. Because same time i feel that way and do not know why? "
No not really you get one life live it |
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"Not sure why you need to differentiate ?
Because i'm ignostic and not atheist.
Differentiate what? Atheism and agnosticism are totally different things.
I'm not agnostic even, but ignostic. "
Sorry I meant to reply to the other comment not yours, I do find your views interesting though. |
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"Not sure why you need to differentiate ?
Because i'm ignostic and not atheist."
Fair point
It's most unusual to have the notion of being created yet the creator having no purpose for its creation
And as I suggest not being an atheist means you have a belief in humans being created x |
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"Not sure why you need to differentiate ?
Because i'm ignostic and not atheist.
Fair point
It's most unusual to have the notion of being created yet the creator having no purpose for its creation
And as I suggest not being an atheist means you have a belief in humans being created x"
Nobody knows who/what that creator is. I mean i could even say we don't even know what we are or what is real...i've got faith that i do exist though and that what i perceive is reality despite not fully understanding what i am perceiving.
Religions tend to place a meaning on life and give people a purpose. I don't believe that this is why we are here. I don't think we are here for a reason or have a purpose for being. We just are.
I personally think it doesn't make sense that we exist at all but this still doesn't mean i have to give a universal purpose to all life.
I am still interested in things despite thinking the above, curious about others chosen purposes and why they have them and i don't deny them that right. |
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"Not sure why you need to differentiate ?
Because i'm ignostic and not atheist.
Fair point
It's most unusual to have the notion of being created yet the creator having no purpose for its creation
And as I suggest not being an atheist means you have a belief in humans being created x
Nobody knows who/what that creator is. I mean i could even say we don't even know what we are or what is real...i've got faith that i do exist though and that what i perceive is reality despite not fully understanding what i am perceiving.
Religions tend to place a meaning on life and give people a purpose. I don't believe that this is why we are here. I don't think we are here for a reason or have a purpose for being. We just are.
I personally think it doesn't make sense that we exist at all but this still doesn't mean i have to give a universal purpose to all life.
I am still interested in things despite thinking the above, curious about others chosen purposes and why they have them and i don't deny them that right."
For me it's pretty clear that what we experience as reality is either an illusion or erroneous in the sense of it being mainly the product of our bodies. For example, if we accept the latter, sounds don't actually exist out there. They are vibrations which we turn into the experience of sound. Direct realism (the idea that reality outside us approximates our experience of it) is eminently doubtable and quite naive imo.
I'd also say that you don't have faith you exist. You *know* you exist as it's one of the very few things you do know. If you don't *know* it then really you probably don't exist.
I agree that without theism the fact that we exist becomes a great mystery at least equal to theism. So for me theism is the lesser leap of ridiculousness. It helps when you realise creationism is only a rather silly wing of theism. I don't believe the universe was created, for example. A much better argument for theism can be mounted by jettisoning such folk assumptions |
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"Have you every felt you do not belong on this earth and do not know why you been put on this earth.. Because same time i feel that way and do not know why? "
we are just a cog in the process of evolution |
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"I'd describe myself as a nihilist theist.
Atheism is the use of scepticism to a point which remains palatable to the individual. Atheists, for example, will typically be hyper sceptical of anything voiced by theists but will abandon all scepticism the minute science enters the room, accepting with dewy eyed naivety the reality of things like dark matter etc. In this sense atheism is scepticism-lite, employed in a one sided manner in order to support a particularly desired result.
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Yup. When people like Dawkin practice the subjective selection of evidence they totally undermine their entire argument. |
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"Not sure why you need to differentiate ?
Because i'm ignostic and not atheist.
Fair point
It's most unusual to have the notion of being created yet the creator having no purpose for its creation
And as I suggest not being an atheist means you have a belief in humans being created x
Nobody knows who/what that creator is. I mean i could even say we don't even know what we are or what is real...i've got faith that i do exist though and that what i perceive is reality despite not fully understanding what i am perceiving.
Religions tend to place a meaning on life and give people a purpose. I don't believe that this is why we are here. I don't think we are here for a reason or have a purpose for being. We just are.
I personally think it doesn't make sense that we exist at all but this still doesn't mean i have to give a universal purpose to all life.
I am still interested in things despite thinking the above, curious about others chosen purposes and why they have them and i don't deny them that right.
For me it's pretty clear that what we experience as reality is either an illusion or erroneous in the sense of it being mainly the product of our bodies. For example, if we accept the latter, sounds don't actually exist out there. They are vibrations which we turn into the experience of sound. Direct realism (the idea that reality outside us approximates our experience of it) is eminently doubtable and quite naive imo.
I'd also say that you don't have faith you exist. You *know* you exist as it's one of the very few things you do know. If you don't *know* it then really you probably don't exist.
I agree that without theism the fact that we exist becomes a great mystery at least equal to theism. So for me theism is the lesser leap of ridiculousness. It helps when you realise creationism is only a rather silly wing of theism. I don't believe the universe was created, for example. A much better argument for theism can be mounted by jettisoning such folk assumptions "
Like i said, personally it makes no sense that anything exists and for that reason i am not sure if we do.
I think therefore i am does make sense but still it doesn't make sense that i exist at all, or that anything else does, and for that reason i can only have faith that i do based on my experiences of being a bag of chemicals and elements with the ability to process thoughts.
I don't believe a sky daddy put me here to do anything. Nobody can convince me otherwise. If we actually had purpose for being why don't we all agree on it and instead not only gather together collectively with people who share the same ideals? |
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"I think therefore i am does make sense but still it doesn't make sense that i exist at all, or that anything else does, and for that reason i can only have faith that i do based on my experiences of being a bag of chemicals and elements with the ability to process thoughts."
I take it from this that your scepticism about your existence relates only to your physical existence. Since you are experiencing a life you can state with certainty that, at the very least, you exist as a set of sensations... even if your body doesn't exist. That, for me, is what "I think therefore I am" means. Your conjecture "of being a bag of chemicals and elements with the ability to process thoughts" is conjecture. You can't state for certain that you are such a thing. To decide to believe in it is fair enough. But it's a step away from nihilism imo. And that's a shame because nihilism's rabbit hole goes deeper and more spiritual when you abandon that belief.
"I don't believe a sky daddy put me here to do anything. Nobody can convince me otherwise. If we actually had purpose for being why don't we all agree on it and instead not only gather together collectively with people who share the same ideals?"
I'm not going to proselytize. Heck I know how crazy most theists sound. All I'd say is that you seem to be applying a very human-centric limitation to the concept. If there is such a thing as a universal mind under pinning all of existence then it's unlikely to be sat watching sitcoms and wondering about what to have for supper. Such a mind is likely to be utterly unlike our own. It may have no purpose, a hive of purposes, a conflicted purpose, or a purpose so improvised or complex that even it doesn't fully grasp it.
Nihilism is a great deprogrammer. It takes common assumptions, new and old, and strips them of whatever is nonsense or unsupportable. With atheism, once the stripping is done, imo nothing is left. But theism has something uncannily robust at the centre of it... when you strip away all the silly sky god answering prayers stuff  |
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"Have you every felt you do not belong on this earth and do not know why you been put on this earth.. Because same time i feel that way and do not know why? "
Yes. For a long time I did. Made me bad actually. Went to a very dark place (mentally).
Medicated for it now so I try not to... |
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"Have you every felt you do not belong on this earth and do not know why you been put on this earth.. Because same time i feel that way and do not know why? No not really you get one life live it "
i see well for me this is my second life |
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"Have you every felt you do not belong on this earth and do not know why you been put on this earth.. Because same time i feel that way and do not know why? "
No the complete opposite in fact.
I was blessed with a child. It was far from plain sailing but everything is okay now.
I think that's why I was put here during these times. |
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Never questioned my purpose, but spent most of my life not fitting in. But the more I understand my self and being happy with being a weirdo the more it doesn't bother me and the more connections I make. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"thanks for all the comments but some people took it the wrong not the ones who comment others i only posted this for friendly banter is that wrong. "
Kinda as in "do you ever feel your life is a pointless waste?" friendly banter?  |
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