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By (user no longer on site) OP     over a year ago

There are profiles that explicitly state their race preference. Fine, we get it.

Quite curious about the disclaimer: “I (we) are not racist.”

Is there any logical reason why this is necessary?

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By *horecruxCouple  over a year ago

SE4


"There are profiles that explicitly state their race preference. Fine, we get it.

Quite curious about the disclaimer: “I (we) are not racist.”

Is there any logical reason why this is necessary? "

We about to find out

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By *emini ManMan  over a year ago

There and to the left a bit

Because, sadly, there are some on here that will jump to the conclusion that having a preference not to meet a particular type must equate to some form of -ism or -is rather than simply accepting it's just a preference like any other

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"There are profiles that explicitly state their race preference. Fine, we get it.

Quite curious about the disclaimer: “I (we) are not racist.”

Is there any logical reason why this is necessary? "

yes because people love accusing others of racism unfortunately but hey what can you do

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"There are profiles that explicitly state their race preference. Fine, we get it.

Quite curious about the disclaimer: “I (we) are not racist.”

Is there any logical reason why this is necessary? "

Seriously, you can't actually read any of the other 5000 posts on exactly the same subject over the last week.

Literally unbelievable.

Why don't you post another thread asking why couples and single women are so rude and don't answer all of your lovely messages next, that's never been asked before either.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

Because they feel the need to explain their sexual preference,based on melatonin levels and / or cultural upbringing is because it isn't a group of people they seek for sexual activities, whilst they have no bias in any other area of their life.

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By *bonynivoryCouple  over a year ago

market harborough

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By (user no longer on site) OP     over a year ago


"There are profiles that explicitly state their race preference. Fine, we get it.

Quite curious about the disclaimer: “I (we) are not racist.”

Is there any logical reason why this is necessary?

Seriously, you can't actually read any of the other 5000 posts on exactly the same subject over the last week.

Literally unbelievable.

Why don't you post another thread asking why couples and single women are so rude and don't answer all of your lovely messages next, that's never been asked before either. "

I do not live in the forum. It’s not a requirement that I should check what’s in the forum before I post. I literally just thought about this topic independently and came here to ask people in my own way.

The way you got triggered speaks volumes Sir. And how ironic that you suggest I write on other topics. You could have just ignored this post and put up one of your own rather than attempt to drag me into your whirlpool of whatever underlying that scath.

Have a good day.

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By (user no longer on site) OP     over a year ago


"There are profiles that explicitly state their race preference. Fine, we get it.

Quite curious about the disclaimer: “I (we) are not racist.”

Is there any logical reason why this is necessary?

We about to find out "

Stay tuned.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

I have no race preference but I do have other preferences. Aren't preferences simply filters that we apply so people know what we are looking for or choose to avoid?

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

Because no matter how openminded most fabbers claim to be, they are in fact extremely judgemental

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Because no matter how openminded most fabbers claim to be, they are in fact extremely judgemental "

Are you judging all the so called extremely judgemental people?

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By *bonynivoryCouple  over a year ago

market harborough

I have a huge number of preferences. I'm a precious princess

Mrs

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By *uuLuuWoman  over a year ago

Watford


"There are profiles that explicitly state their race preference. Fine, we get it.

Quite curious about the disclaimer: “I (we) are not racist.”

Is there any logical reason why this is necessary? "

When some people are fussy and won't meet them they resort to petty claims and find the biggest stick to beat other people with which is frankly sad as everyone on here has preferences in one way or other.

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By *xMFM3sumsxxWoman  over a year ago

SouthWest Lancashire

A preference suggests that although someone does prefer to meet a type they don't exclude anyone else based on anything. So if they prefer BBC they would also consider small cock, caucasian, or asian too.

It's different from saying No *whatever*. I think coz a lot of people say no to *whatever* and then say that is their preference then this is where confusion comes in.

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By *ndrew CareyMan  over a year ago

Peterborough, Cambridgeshire & Lincolnshire


"There are profiles that explicitly state their race preference. Fine, we get it.

Quite curious about the disclaimer: “I (we) are not racist.”

Is there any logical reason why this is necessary? "

To avoid accusations of racism foe the most part and in some cases, to avoid meeting Lexington Steele

Some do not put it on their profiles for the same reason but tell you when you contact them.

Just the way the world works, we like what we like.

Not something to think too much about.

Lots of fun to be had around

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By *bonynivoryCouple  over a year ago

market harborough

Hey Ebony/Chanelle, you seen there's another race post today, looks like the three yesterday didn't quite clear up the issue? or the 4 the day before or the 20 the previous week Do you think my experience with Caucasian women would be relevant to post here? What is it you generally prefer about white men?

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By *bonynivoryCouple  over a year ago

market harborough


"Hey Ebony/Chanelle, you seen there's another race post today, looks like the three yesterday didn't quite clear up the issue? or the 4 the day before or the 20 the previous week Do you think my experience with Caucasian women would be relevant to post here? What is it you generally prefer about white men?"

It's the eyes .

Mrs

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By *iss_tressWoman  over a year ago

London


"There are profiles that explicitly state their race preference. Fine, we get it.

Quite curious about the disclaimer: “I (we) are not racist.”

Is there any logical reason why this is necessary? "

You'll find it is made by racist as they'll add something to take away doubt.

Just like those profiles that state "no offense but we prefer to meet slim people who take care of themselves...we don't find oompah loompahs sexy". Opposed to we prefer slim people...no justification, no insult.

You can spot the difference. Frankly I don't waste time on people not looking for me.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Hey Ebony/Chanelle, you seen there's another race post today, looks like the three yesterday didn't quite clear up the issue? or the 4 the day before or the 20 the previous week Do you think my experience with Caucasian women would be relevant to post here? What is it you generally prefer about white men?

It's the eyes .

Mrs"

I like the difference in skin tone. But also accents, feel, and biggest of all attitude. But those are just generalisations. Not everybody

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"There are profiles that explicitly state their race preference. Fine, we get it.

Quite curious about the disclaimer: “I (we) are not racist.”

Is there any logical reason why this is necessary?

Seriously, you can't actually read any of the other 5000 posts on exactly the same subject over the last week.

Literally unbelievable.

Why don't you post another thread asking why couples and single women are so rude and don't answer all of your lovely messages next, that's never been asked before either.

I do not live in the forum. It’s not a requirement that I should check what’s in the forum before I post. I literally just thought about this topic independently and came here to ask people in my own way.

The way you got triggered speaks volumes Sir. And how ironic that you suggest I write on other topics. You could have just ignored this post and put up one of your own rather than attempt to drag me into your whirlpool of whatever underlying that scath.

Have a good day. "

Yes I do get triggered by nobsense.

Are the old it speaks volumes come back, lol ?? a bit old. So what volumes are they?

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By *risky_MareWoman  over a year ago

...Up on the Downs


"There are profiles that explicitly state their race preference. Fine, we get it.

Quite curious about the disclaimer: “I (we) are not racist.”

Is there any logical reason why this is necessary? "

Denial. It is a racist comment.

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By *bonynivoryCouple  over a year ago

market harborough


"Hey Ebony/Chanelle, you seen there's another race post today, looks like the three yesterday didn't quite clear up the issue? or the 4 the day before or the 20 the previous week Do you think my experience with Caucasian women would be relevant to post here? What is it you generally prefer about white men?

It's the eyes .

Mrs

I like the difference in skin tone. But also accents, feel, and biggest of all attitude. But those are just generalisations. Not everybody "

Yes the contrast is good. The pastier the better

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Hey Ebony/Chanelle, you seen there's another race post today, looks like the three yesterday didn't quite clear up the issue? or the 4 the day before or the 20 the previous week Do you think my experience with Caucasian women would be relevant to post here? What is it you generally prefer about white men?

It's the eyes .

Mrs

I like the difference in skin tone. But also accents, feel, and biggest of all attitude. But those are just generalisations. Not everybody

Yes the contrast is good. The pastier the better "

And in my opinion its a more complete put everything into it experience with nothing held back. I prefer very dark but as long as its lots darker than me it's ok

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By *bonynivoryCouple  over a year ago

market harborough


"Hey Ebony/Chanelle, you seen there's another race post today, looks like the three yesterday didn't quite clear up the issue? or the 4 the day before or the 20 the previous week Do you think my experience with Caucasian women would be relevant to post here? What is it you generally prefer about white men?

It's the eyes .

Mrs

I like the difference in skin tone. But also accents, feel, and biggest of all attitude. But those are just generalisations. Not everybody

Yes the contrast is good. The pastier the better

And in my opinion its a more complete put everything into it experience with nothing held back. I prefer very dark but as long as its lots darker than me it's ok"

Let's just keep out of the sunshine shall we

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Because, sadly, there are some on here that will jump to the conclusion that having a preference not to meet a particular type must equate to some form of -ism or -is rather than simply accepting it's just a preference like any other"

This.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

I know a darker skinned lady from market harbour. May her at a bdsm event.

I met her last year and went to visit her this spring.

She's same age and recently married a white guy who i also met.

They are bdsm people you might know her.

It's too much of a journey though. I nearly died getting the bus from liecter.

Seems like a nice town.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

I don't have preference I just like fit birds

I think I like condaliza rice more than serrena Williams though.

I won't hang out with breakdancers and freestylers. And I'm wary of traditional women from Ghana due to bad past experiences.

"In Africa di man he provides for di woman"....

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By (user no longer on site) OP     over a year ago


"I have no race preference but I do have other preferences. Aren't preferences simply filters that we apply so people know what we are looking for or choose to avoid?"

Yes but I find it odd. Its like stating I prefer slim people. I am not against plus size people. Why would you extend to all that? Just state what you are after and leave it at that. If anybody has an issue with your preference, that is THEIR issue.

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By *lbert_shlossedMan  over a year ago

Manchester

Probably because you might offend a liberal!.

None of the BBC only ones ever write that sentence.

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By (user no longer on site) OP     over a year ago


"There are profiles that explicitly state their race preference. Fine, we get it.

Quite curious about the disclaimer: “I (we) are not racist.”

Is there any logical reason why this is necessary?

When some people are fussy and won't meet them they resort to petty claims and find the biggest stick to beat other people with which is frankly sad as everyone on here has preferences in one way or other. "

It is quite unnecessarily petty. Perhaps it's pre-emptive so that they don't get labelled racist but I don't think people should explain anything at all.

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By *isaB45Woman  over a year ago

Fabville

It's ok to have preferences...we all do. Food, art, music... Just as long as you are open-minded enough to accept that you may meet someone or something that challenges or changes your outlook.

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By (user no longer on site) OP     over a year ago


"There are profiles that explicitly state their race preference. Fine, we get it.

Quite curious about the disclaimer: “I (we) are not racist.”

Is there any logical reason why this is necessary?

Seriously, you can't actually read any of the other 5000 posts on exactly the same subject over the last week.

Literally unbelievable.

Why don't you post another thread asking why couples and single women are so rude and don't answer all of your lovely messages next, that's never been asked before either.

I do not live in the forum. It’s not a requirement that I should check what’s in the forum before I post. I literally just thought about this topic independently and came here to ask people in my own way.

The way you got triggered speaks volumes Sir. And how ironic that you suggest I write on other topics. You could have just ignored this post and put up one of your own rather than attempt to drag me into your whirlpool of whatever underlying that scath.

Have a good day.

Yes I do get triggered by nobsense.

Are the old it speaks volumes come back, lol ?? a bit old. So what volumes are they? "

Well, I hope you have a strong heart because clearly you have nothing better to do. I explained, I don't go through forums everyday. I come on here once every couple of weeks. So if I missed the post you are referring to, that is not nonsense. It's just you unnecessarily denigrating this conversation as a petulant prone individual when ignoring would have been a much better option. Those are the volumes I'm on about Sir.

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By (user no longer on site) OP     over a year ago


"It's ok to have preferences...we all do. Food, art, music... Just as long as you are open-minded enough to accept that you may meet someone or something that challenges or changes your outlook."

This was such the case recently. Glad to have changed her mind.

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By (user no longer on site) OP     over a year ago


"Probably because you might offend a liberal!.

None of the BBC only ones ever write that sentence."

Plenty of ones that require white and Asian only. You haven't come across it.

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By *irtySekretsCouple  over a year ago

Filthy Desires Upon Trent

Like many have said, it’s so we don’t get the nasty messages stating we are racists.

Not at all. We simply do not find Black and Asian men AND women attractive.

No dramas

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

I got addicted to asian pussy because they eat low callorie meals and do lots of exercise. They have slim youthfull bodies up to the age of 40 but then they rapidly deteriourate into "ancient wise ones".

You go walk arround issan or Bangkok and they all wear heels and hotpants and I swear I've rarely seen one that doesn't have a small slender body...

I like English women and black and Asian.

But obviously Muslims are not usefull in any capacity.

Romani girls are fit....upper class Indian women...

Filipeanos look good but they don't put out like Thai girls...

My ambition is to conquer japanise women.

I feel like Robert barathion.

I like some English women but the best ones are all taken.

Like I said: "they are too modern"

Vegans/socialists/3rd wave radical femenists...

^^^that's pretty much why I have dated Asians and black women

"Traditional" African women are a pain though. You want them to be abit independent or westernized. Otherwise they just want you to spend all your money. (Zambian domme lady was really nice though)

I don't want any of my Asian princesses corrupted though. You can't take a girl out of Thailand and expect her to be the same person.

Thai women are not very mature though. They are cry babies.

If you want sophistication you get a woman from Japan, Hong Kong, singapoure or Shanghai.

I might get a Thai bride one day. Not an ex bar girl... I get mine in the paddy fields of issan where they have never encountered farrang penis/generosity before...

It's the dream of every girl in issan to own a new iPhone.

But your better off getting an Asian orphan girl because you don't want her last family and sick buffalo burning a hole in your wallet...

Hahaha

Dabts wacist

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By * Busty HotwifeCouple  over a year ago

Bradford


"There are profiles that explicitly state their race preference. Fine, we get it.

Quite curious about the disclaimer: “I (we) are not racist.”

Is there any logical reason why this is necessary?

Seriously, you can't actually read any of the other 5000 posts on exactly the same subject over the last week.

Literally unbelievable.

Why don't you post another thread asking why couples and single women are so rude and don't answer all of your lovely messages next, that's never been asked before either.

I do not live in the forum. It’s not a requirement that I should check what’s in the forum before I post. I literally just thought about this topic independently and came here to ask people in my own way.

The way you got triggered speaks volumes Sir. And how ironic that you suggest I write on other topics. You could have just ignored this post and put up one of your own rather than attempt to drag me into your whirlpool of whatever underlying that scath.

Have a good day. "

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By *lbert_shlossedMan  over a year ago

Manchester


"Probably because you might offend a liberal!.

None of the BBC only ones ever write that sentence.

Plenty of ones that require white and Asian only. You haven't come across it."

.

There is no known cure for the pathogen of liberalism, once it takes hold it gets more and more extreme until eventually the victim turns completely bonkers.

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By (user no longer on site) OP     over a year ago


"Probably because you might offend a liberal!.

None of the BBC only ones ever write that sentence.

Plenty of ones that require white and Asian only. You haven't come across it..

There is no known cure for the pathogen of liberalism, once it takes hold it gets more and more extreme until eventually the victim turns completely bonkers. "

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By * Busty HotwifeCouple  over a year ago

Bradford


"I got addicted to asian pussy because they eat low callorie meals and do lots of exercise. They have slim youthfull bodies up to the age of 40 but then they rapidly deteriourate into "ancient wise ones".

You go walk arround issan or Bangkok and they all wear heels and hotpants and I swear I've rarely seen one that doesn't have a small slender body...

I like English women and black and Asian.

But obviously Muslims are not usefull in any capacity.

Romani girls are fit....upper class Indian women...

Filipeanos look good but they don't put out like Thai girls...

My ambition is to conquer japanise women.

I feel like Robert barathion.

I like some English women but the best ones are all taken.

Like I said: "they are too modern"

Vegans/socialists/3rd wave radical femenists...

^^^that's pretty much why I have dated Asians and black women

"Traditional" African women are a pain though. You want them to be abit independent or westernized. Otherwise they just want you to spend all your money. (Zambian domme lady was really nice though)

I don't want any of my Asian princesses corrupted though. You can't take a girl out of Thailand and expect her to be the same person.

Thai women are not very mature though. They are cry babies.

If you want sophistication you get a woman from Japan, Hong Kong, singapoure or Shanghai.

I might get a Thai bride one day. Not an ex bar girl... I get mine in the paddy fields of issan where they have never encountered farrang penis/generosity before...

It's the dream of every girl in issan to own a new iPhone.

But your better off getting an Asian orphan girl because you don't want her last family and sick buffalo burning a hole in your wallet...

Hahaha

Dabts wacist"

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By (user no longer on site) OP     over a year ago


"Like many have said, it’s so we don’t get the nasty messages stating we are racists.

Not at all. We simply do not find Black and Asian men AND women attractive.

No dramas "

That's perfectly fine. We respect that. If anyone calls you racist, that's their issue. You shouldn't pander to those elements.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

I’m always pleased to read that someone is only looking for black men or bbc. It’s saves me from wasting my time on that particular person(s).

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

You can take your China girl to York or Warwick castle and their eyes glair open with facination at British history...

(I've just spotted some at royal armoury)

But if you take 60% of english/American girls my age they will just do a serrena Williams "debts wacist/sexist/transphobic medevil"

^^^so they are just shit people who dont appreciate culture and art unless it's "multiculture"

Asian ladies aren't so "politicly correct"

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

Isn't it only couples and women that have preferences based on race .Most men I know have no preference based on race.Do any men have preferences based on race?

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By (user no longer on site) OP     over a year ago


"Isn't it only couples and women that have preferences based on race .Most men I know have no preference based on race.Do any men have preferences based on race?"

Yes some do. I know a few black guys who play with black women only

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By (user no longer on site) OP     over a year ago


"I’m always pleased to read that someone is only looking for black men or bbc. It’s saves me from wasting my time on that particular person(s)."

I'm quite pleased to see women who like older white men too. Saves a chunk of time from me typing my long intro only to be ignored

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Isn't it only couples and women that have preferences based on race .Most men I know have no preference based on race.Do any men have preferences based on race?"

Well. Yes.

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By *lbert_shlossedMan  over a year ago

Manchester


"Isn't it only couples and women that have preferences based on race .Most men I know have no preference based on race.Do any men have preferences based on race?

Well. Yes."

I don't think he actually knows any men

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

I prefered the 800 meters as i kid as i had stamina for days

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By *REEPALESTINEMan  over a year ago

derby


"I got addicted to asian pussy because they eat low callorie meals and do lots of exercise. They have slim youthfull bodies up to the age of 40 but then they rapidly deteriourate into "ancient wise ones".

You go walk arround issan or Bangkok and they all wear heels and hotpants and I swear I've rarely seen one that doesn't have a small slender body...

I like English women and black and Asian.

But obviously Muslims are not usefull in any capacity.

Romani girls are fit....upper class Indian women...

Filipeanos look good but they don't put out like Thai girls...

My ambition is to conquer japanise women.

I feel like Robert barathion.

I like some English women but the best ones are all taken.

Like I said: "they are too modern"

Vegans/socialists/3rd wave radical femenists...

^^^that's pretty much why I have dated Asians and black women

"Traditional" African women are a pain though. You want them to be abit independent or westernized. Otherwise they just want you to spend all your money. (Zambian domme lady was really nice though)

I don't want any of my Asian princesses corrupted though. You can't take a girl out of Thailand and expect her to be the same person.

Thai women are not very mature though. They are cry babies.

If you want sophistication you get a woman from Japan, Hong Kong, singapoure or Shanghai.

I might get a Thai bride one day. Not an ex bar girl... I get mine in the paddy fields of issan where they have never encountered farrang penis/generosity before...

It's the dream of every girl in issan to own a new iPhone.

But your better off getting an Asian orphan girl because you don't want her last family and sick buffalo burning a hole in your wallet...

Hahaha

Dabts wacist"

Lol class

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

My boss once said

"I want you to find "nook" (bird) in the admin department."

So I say: "Which lady is nook?"

He says: "she's the small lady with dark hair who smiles all the time"

(This isnt a joke)

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By (user no longer on site) OP     over a year ago


"I prefered the 800 meters as i kid as i had stamina for days"

But everyone remembers the one who came first over the shortest distance

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

I could do butterfly at 12.

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By *tirluvMan  over a year ago

the right frame of mind -London

I find races such a drag

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

I don't race. Just amble along with my dogs.

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By *tirluvMan  over a year ago

the right frame of mind -London


"I don't race. Just amble along with my dogs. "

Not very hip hop that -you should have said "yo bitches" not dogs -that's way too old skool for the yoofs on here

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"There are profiles that explicitly state their race preference. Fine, we get it.

Quite curious about the disclaimer: “I (we) are not racist.”

Is there any logical reason why this is necessary?

Seriously, you can't actually read any of the other 5000 posts on exactly the same subject over the last week.

Literally unbelievable.

Why don't you post another thread asking why couples and single women are so rude and don't answer all of your lovely messages next, that's never been asked before either. "

Yikes and you always seem to bite on the forums... Three times I've seen you do that now!

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"There are profiles that explicitly state their race preference. Fine, we get it.

Quite curious about the disclaimer: “I (we) are not racist.”

Is there any logical reason why this is necessary? "

It would be because folk get a lot of stick over preferences. Unfortunately they feel as though they have to justify themselves to those idiots! Shame really x

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"There are profiles that explicitly state their race preference. Fine, we get it.

Quite curious about the disclaimer: “I (we) are not racist.”

Is there any logical reason why this is necessary?

Seriously, you can't actually read any of the other 5000 posts on exactly the same subject over the last week.

Literally unbelievable.

Why don't you post another thread asking why couples and single women are so rude and don't answer all of your lovely messages next, that's never been asked before either.

Yikes and you always seem to bite on the forums... Three times I've seen you do that now! "

And? I'm supposed to let offensive dross go.

As has been said to meany times, if you don't like my posts just don't read them.

It obviously bothers me a lot that you won't want to meet us now I've put you off, oh dear

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

Hahahaha....

WAFD! X

Enjoy sweetie, enjoy!

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"There are profiles that explicitly state their race preference. Fine, we get it.

Quite curious about the disclaimer: “I (we) are not racist.”

Is there any logical reason why this is necessary? "

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By (user no longer on site) OP     over a year ago


"Hahahaha....

WAFD! X

Enjoy sweetie, enjoy! "

LMBAO...

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

I think as long as it's an honest profile and making clear what someone is looking for do you need to mention race? It's 2018 we are all the same just different pigments. I am mixed race Jewish/Irish and white skin but do I need to put it on my profile? Does anyone ask for BJIC?

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By *oan of DArcCouple  over a year ago

Glasgow


"Probably because you might offend a liberal!.

None of the BBC only ones ever write that sentence."

Have you considered that's because the majority of people who express that crass preference tend to be white?

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

I was always a fan of the old Egg and spoon as a nipper

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"There are profiles that explicitly state their race preference. Fine, we get it.

Quite curious about the disclaimer: “I (we) are not racist.”

Is there any logical reason why this is necessary? "

Yes....so people don’t ask them why they don’t want to them?

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By (user no longer on site) OP     over a year ago


"There are profiles that explicitly state their race preference. Fine, we get it.

Quite curious about the disclaimer: “I (we) are not racist.”

Is there any logical reason why this is necessary?

Yes....so people don’t ask them why they don’t want to them?"

It's unnecessary. If you ain't, you ain't.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"There are profiles that explicitly state their race preference. Fine, we get it.

Quite curious about the disclaimer: “I (we) are not racist.”

Is there any logical reason why this is necessary? "

nope but hey we can debate it it's an unusual topic in forums

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By *tella HeelsTV/TS  over a year ago

west here ford shire

Agree completely but can we exclude the Welsh?

Soz couldn’t resist that

Seriously race is something cars do

Prejudice is nowadays not acceptable so you’re completely correct why does the question even need asking???

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