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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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We had an interesting discussion about it yesterday, that when my parents was young and that generation, when they saw the police or a sign saying something on it, they didnt dare to disrespect the law, whats your view of whats happened from back then to now where they dont have respect, is it lack of discipline? |
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"We had an interesting discussion about it yesterday, that when my parents was young and that generation, when they saw the police or a sign saying something on it, they didnt dare to disrespect the law, whats your view of whats happened from back then to now where they dont have respect, is it lack of discipline?"
It's the effect socialism and political correctness has had on culture and education.
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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(most) Schools are very poor at giving out discipline these days for fear of retaliation and so the kids don’t learn.
Set the boundaries at a young age and be consistent and then we will be good |
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"We had an interesting discussion about it yesterday, that when my parents was young and that generation, when they saw the police or a sign saying something on it, they didnt dare to disrespect the law, whats your view of whats happened from back then to now where they dont have respect, is it lack of discipline?"
No it's a lack of consequences,
Ps don't let your parents generation tell you things were perfect or there would have been no youth offenders or borstals.
Wrong uns are wrong ins regardless of when they were born.
My daughter is amazing and does charity work, helps others so it's unfair to blanket everyone into the same today's generation are no good |
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"We had an interesting discussion about it yesterday, that when my parents was young and that generation, when they saw the police or a sign saying something on it, they didnt dare to disrespect the law, whats your view of whats happened from back then to now where they dont have respect, is it lack of discipline?"
I would love to know who it is you have these discussions with shag, as whoever it is are getting their facts wrong big time..
Disrespecting the law, or anyone in authority is and was a rite of passage for most kids, and will probably continue to be so..
Its also got feck all to do with how they are brought up too |
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My parents said the same about my generation. It's the law that one generation says the up and coming generation is useless. I've no idea why. From where I sit every generation has good people and bad. |
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"(most) Schools are very poor at giving out discipline these days for fear of retaliation and so the kids don’t learn.
Set the boundaries at a young age and be consistent and then we will be good "
Schools ? Don't these kids have parents ?? |
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By (user no longer on site)
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My son has respect for authority. He respects us as his parents. His school teachers and the police. That's because he's been brought up to be that way.
Infact he has been brought up to respect everyone not just authority, when he was younger we were always getting complements in shops and restaurants about his impeccable manners.
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By (user no longer on site)
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"(most) Schools are very poor at giving out discipline these days for fear of retaliation and so the kids don’t learn.
Set the boundaries at a young age and be consistent and then we will be good
Schools ? Don't these kids have parents ??"
It's the school's fault. Always. |
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By *ugby 123Couple
over a year ago
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"(most) Schools are very poor at giving out discipline these days for fear of retaliation and so the kids don’t learn.
Set the boundaries at a young age and be consistent and then we will be good "
That sounds like the teachers should be setting the bounderies |
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"(most) Schools are very poor at giving out discipline these days for fear of retaliation and so the kids don’t learn.
Set the boundaries at a young age and be consistent and then we will be good "
It's not the schools that are there to set the discipline, it's the parenting that's supposed to do that.
Get that right, and you're nearly there  |
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By *ANDA2Couple
over a year ago
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"We had an interesting discussion about it yesterday, that when my parents was young and that generation, when they saw the police or a sign saying something on it, they didnt dare to disrespect the law, whats your view of whats happened from back then to now where they dont have respect, is it lack of discipline?
It's the effect socialism and political correctness has had on culture and education.
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Please demonstrate how socialism is a cause. |
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"We had an interesting discussion about it yesterday, that when my parents was young and that generation, when they saw the police or a sign saying something on it, they didnt dare to disrespect the law, whats your view of whats happened from back then to now where they dont have respect, is it lack of discipline?"
I look at it differently.
My parents, both born in the 30's, had ultimate respect for all authority, to the point that they didn't question any of it.
If a doctor told them X, they went with it, and felt t disrespectful to ask for a 2nd opinion (my mother died of cancer, not diagnosed til it was at stage 4, because they docs didn't listen to her symptoms and she didn't push for more tests).
Police, politicians, doctors, whatever are NOT always there to protect us--f we go with what they say just because they are "Authority," we'd be back in the Dark Ages. Some are good, some not, and just because there's a law, it doesn't mean it should be followed blindly, they should be challenged.
Kids in all eras have been a major cause of change for the better.
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"We had an interesting discussion about it yesterday, that when my parents was young and that generation, when they saw the police or a sign saying something on it, they didnt dare to disrespect the law, whats your view of whats happened from back then to now where they dont have respect, is it lack of discipline?
I look at it differently.
My parents, both born in the 30's, had ultimate respect for all authority, to the point that they didn't question any of it.
If a doctor told them X, they went with it, and felt t disrespectful to ask for a 2nd opinion (my mother died of cancer, not diagnosed til it was at stage 4, because they docs didn't listen to her symptoms and she didn't push for more tests).
Police, politicians, doctors, whatever are NOT always there to protect us--f we go with what they say just because they are "Authority," we'd be back in the Dark Ages. Some are good, some not, and just because there's a law, it doesn't mean it should be followed blindly, they should be challenged.
Kids in all eras have been a major cause of change for the better.
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I'd like to give an example but know I'll get a forum ban for it if I do. So I'll just say that I know two people born in 1938 who scarred their children for life because they couldn't believe anyone in a position of power would ever do anything wrong. Certainly not a culture I'll miss. |
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By *orny PTMan
over a year ago
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"(most) Schools are very poor at giving out discipline these days for fear of retaliation and so the kids don’t learn.
Set the boundaries at a young age and be consistent and then we will be good
Schools ? Don't these kids have parents ??
It's the school's fault. Always. "
That's not strictly true, as between the ages of 0-5 that role lands in the laps of the parents. It's only when they go to school, that the teachers' liability comes in to effect. |
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By *orny PTMan
over a year ago
Peterborough |
"We had an interesting discussion about it yesterday, that when my parents was young and that generation, when they saw the police or a sign saying something on it, they didnt dare to disrespect the law, whats your view of whats happened from back then to now where they dont have respect, is it lack of discipline?"
This is a very sore point for me  |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Darkhaired dangerous schoolkids
Vicious, suspicious sixteen
Jet-black blazers at the bus stop
Sullen, unhealthy and mean
Teenage guerillas on the tarmac
Fighting in the middle of the road
Supercharged FS1Es on the asphalt
The kids are coming in from the cold |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Darkhaired dangerous schoolkids
Vicious, suspicious sixteen
Jet-black blazers at the bus stop
Sullen, unhealthy and mean
Teenage guerillas on the tarmac
Fighting in the middle of the road
Supercharged FS1Es on the asphalt
The kids are coming in from the cold"
... released in 1978... Every generation has rebelled |
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Youth of today are far to heavily policed. To many rules where they can and can't play, schools banning things like bulldog. Kids are left to sit on a computer or they go out and cause mischief. Made my day when some local kids played knock door run on me. No harm just kids being kids. |
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"(most) Schools are very poor at giving out discipline these days for fear of retaliation and so the kids don’t learn.
Set the boundaries at a young age and be consistent and then we will be good
Schools ? Don't these kids have parents ??"
Exactly!!! And there lies the problem, ‘some’ parents expect the schools to fix everything as long as it doesn’t include disciplining their own little cherub. There’s a real lack of ownership for their own actions (or lack of) and people are quick to blame schools for anything that is wrong with children/teenagers. Schools have your child for 6 hrs per day, 5 days per week for 39 weeks per year, who is setting the boundaries and dishing out discipline for the rest of the time?
And I’m dismayed at the amount of parents who don’t instil rules and boundaries for toddlers but complain about their behaviour and defiance then they’re 7/8 and expect the schools to ‘fix’ it.. parenting starts from day dot.
But.. I also don’t believe other generations didn’t gave similar issues, people just have short memories and didn’t have the means to hear about the wider community like we do nowadays.. social media and t’imternet has a lot to answer for.
Lou x |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"My parents said the same about my generation. It's the law that one generation says the up and coming generation is useless. I've no idea why. From where I sit every generation has good people and bad. "
Exactly this |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"(most) Schools are very poor at giving out discipline these days for fear of retaliation and so the kids don’t learn.
Set the boundaries at a young age and be consistent and then we will be good
Schools ? Don't these kids have parents ??
Exactly!!! And there lies the problem, ‘some’ parents expect the schools to fix everything as long as it doesn’t include disciplining their own little cherub. There’s a real lack of ownership for their own actions (or lack of) and people are quick to blame schools for anything that is wrong with children/teenagers. Schools have your child for 6 hrs per day, 5 days per week for 39 weeks per year, who is setting the boundaries and dishing out discipline for the rest of the time?
And I’m dismayed at the amount of parents who don’t instil rules and boundaries for toddlers but complain about their behaviour and defiance then they’re 7/8 and expect the schools to ‘fix’ it.. parenting starts from day dot.
But.. I also don’t believe other generations didn’t gave similar issues, people just have short memories and didn’t have the means to hear about the wider community like we do nowadays.. social media and t’imternet has a lot to answer for.
Lou x "
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"Kids should push the boundaries and challenge authority. It’s what they do. We were all kids once."
True! I was always in trouble with the local bobbies for scrumping for mopeds or hilariously throwing corrosive substances at random strangers! Halcyon days indeed... |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Funnily enough, one of my mates is currently ranting on FB about teenage girls dropping chips & wrappers outside his house
I am more outraged at them wasting chips than I am about the littering 
#respectthechip |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"(most) Schools are very poor at giving out discipline these days for fear of retaliation and so the kids don’t learn.
Set the boundaries at a young age and be consistent and then we will be good
Schools ? Don't these kids have parents ??
Exactly!!! And there lies the problem, ‘some’ parents expect the schools to fix everything as long as it doesn’t include disciplining their own little cherub. There’s a real lack of ownership for their own actions (or lack of) and people are quick to blame schools for anything that is wrong with children/teenagers. Schools have your child for 6 hrs per day, 5 days per week for 39 weeks per year, who is setting the boundaries and dishing out discipline for the rest of the time?
And I’m dismayed at the amount of parents who don’t instil rules and boundaries for toddlers but complain about their behaviour and defiance then they’re 7/8 and expect the schools to ‘fix’ it.. parenting starts from day dot.
But.. I also don’t believe other generations didn’t gave similar issues, people just have short memories and didn’t have the means to hear about the wider community like we do nowadays.. social media and t’imternet has a lot to answer for.
Lou x "
True parents do have their responsibilities too.
I’m thinking of past experiences and why I moved away from co-ed in the end.
Yes, one parent could not set boundaries for a child and so that particular student could be a problem within school. As a result, several others are led astray as the child tempts them to deviate the norms or perhaps bullies them into it. You then have a disruptive group within a classroom and so on.
It’s then that intervention could be put in place by the education system. Stop it at a early stage and if it fails, then the teacher should have sufficient support in place to ensure that students get back on the right track. As a result, students should start to accept that they are in the wrong and respect authority
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By *sGivesWoodWoman
over a year ago
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"It’s all bad parenting.. you can’t blame the schools as I have friends who are teachers and some of the stories you hear are very disturbing. "
I have to agree. Discipline starts at home. It's not for everyone else to raise your kids for you. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"It’s all bad parenting.. you can’t blame the schools as I have friends who are teachers and some of the stories you hear are very disturbing. "
It's shocking the stories about kids starting school that can't speak properly because their parents never interact with them. |
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By *ky19Man
over a year ago
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Yep I concur there has been a serious increase in douchebaggery amongst today's yoof.
While out working 2 chavvy boys walk past pointing out how tall I am. I like it so kinda smile but then they get nasty for no reason, so I call them a pair of chavvy scum which they well deserved, at which point they indignantly put their bikes against a wall and threatened to beat me up!
I had to laugh how they had absolutely no fear whatsoever, at least outwardly. I may be on the slim side and not massive powerful but I felt quite sure I could see both off if I really had to seeing they were hardly big men (except in their own minds).
No respect for their elders!
(And I stand corrected, someone born after 2000 is post millennial) |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"It’s all bad parenting.. you can’t blame the schools as I have friends who are teachers and some of the stories you hear are very disturbing.
It's shocking the stories about kids starting school that can't speak properly because their parents never interact with them. "
I remember being a kid and my behaviour in school and other walks of life was a reflection of what I was taught by my parents |
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By *sGivesWoodWoman
over a year ago
ST. AUSTELL, CORNWALL |
"It’s all bad parenting.. you can’t blame the schools as I have friends who are teachers and some of the stories you hear are very disturbing.
It's shocking the stories about kids starting school that can't speak properly because their parents never interact with them.
I remember being a kid and my behaviour in school and other walks of life was a reflection of what I was taught by my parents "
Also if you got in trouble at school, you'd be in even more when you got home. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"(most) Schools are very poor at giving out discipline these days for fear of retaliation and so the kids don’t learn.
Set the boundaries at a young age and be consistent and then we will be good "
That's the parents job not the teachers |
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What we are looking at today is a huge shift in a lot of social factors though..
1) Lazy parenting - its to easy to sit a kid infront of a games console and not actually parent them but let them learn from games like GTA.
2) lack of social support - over the last few years, especially in major cities there has been a huge decline in youth clubs, youth groups ect ect. Meaning there is less places to let off steam.
3) increase in rights - now most kids grow up with a mix of all of those and an increase in freedoms whilst this is not a bad thing most learn about what they can or cannor do, which has resulted in youths practicing a "fuck da police" attitude.
4) lack of police and more rules - less funding, increase in population all adds up to eventually kids turning "feral" and running wild. This is why places like london, Manchester, Bristol have various kid gangs who are known for commiting crimes
5) the justice system is antiquated - old laws, full prisons... So when a youth gets arrested for the umpteenth time it isnt seen as a bad thing but a badge of honour because they generally get tagged for a month or two and are back out off it again
And yes there are a lot of other examples which enforce all of these. |
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By *astie10Man
over a year ago
Guildford |
"Darkhaired dangerous schoolkids
Vicious, suspicious sixteen
Jet-black blazers at the bus stop
Sullen, unhealthy and mean
Teenage guerillas on the tarmac
Fighting in the middle of the road
Supercharged FS1Es on the asphalt
The kids are coming in from the cold... released in 1978... Every generation has rebelled"
lol realy sounds like my childhood
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"What we are looking at today is a huge shift in a lot of social factors though..
1) Lazy parenting - its to easy to sit a kid infront of a games console and not actually parent them but let them learn from games like GTA.
2) lack of social support - over the last few years, especially in major cities there has been a huge decline in youth clubs, youth groups ect ect. Meaning there is less places to let off steam.
3) increase in rights - now most kids grow up with a mix of all of those and an increase in freedoms whilst this is not a bad thing most learn about what they can or cannor do, which has resulted in youths practicing a "fuck da police" attitude.
4) lack of police and more rules - less funding, increase in population all adds up to eventually kids turning "feral" and running wild. This is why places like london, Manchester, Bristol have various kid gangs who are known for commiting crimes
5) the justice system is antiquated - old laws, full prisons... So when a youth gets arrested for the umpteenth time it isnt seen as a bad thing but a badge of honour because they generally get tagged for a month or two and are back out off it again
And yes there are a lot of other examples which enforce all of these. "
You don't think the rapid increase in broken families has anything to do with it?
Point 1 is factually incorrect. Kids today get more hours of individual parental attention than ever before. Partly because families are smaller. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Children learn respect from their parents.. They are the main role model in their lives.
If children have no respect, which alot don't these days, The parents are the sole blame..
Not the government, schools, church, media, or the establishment.
The parents are the issue.
Mistress Amelia
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By *htcMan
over a year ago
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thats because the police are powerless to do anything, if they changed the sentences including young ones over 10, with prison and community work, cleaning the streets, with sentences for any crime, it would change even if one week in jail, no luxury's, no heating, cold water and basic food, forced labour during the day with evening English/maths lessons, fail the test at the end is another week in prison, parents are charged for the costs.
i say build prisons all over the uk, crime = prison even if several days behind bars then billed for the costs. |
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