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"If they did the BMI properly they will have taken measurements. It can also be calculated with a machine that measures body fat on your arm. Just looking st a height/ weight chart is not accurate " Yeah my personal trainer measures my body fat with those calliper things. Just think the NHS need to stop using BMI as a measure | |||
"I recently got invited for a free NHS health check and just received my results. The advice they've given me is that based on my BMI I'm overweight and would benefit from being more physically active. Why is BMI still used as a measure? I know it's used in schools too with parents being told similar. Surely there has to be a better measure like taking body measurements such as waist size? Has anyone else experienced this or do I really need to step away from the biscuits "Yep it's bollocks! And you clearly burn those biscuits off somehow...  | |||
"I recently got invited for a free NHS health check and just received my results. The advice they've given me is that based on my BMI I'm overweight and would benefit from being more physically active. Why is BMI still used as a measure? I know it's used in schools too with parents being told similar. Surely there has to be a better measure like taking body measurements such as waist size? Has anyone else experienced this or do I really need to step away from the biscuits "
Op you are not overweight in the slightest. Go and have some more biscuits 
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"It's bollocks. I'm slim frame and put on a stone a few years ago after I quite smoking and it put me on the cusp of overweight. Utter nonsense." I went to look at your pictures to see but nothing to see there  | |||
"BMI was invented as a tool to measure populations, not individuals. Body fat percentage would be a better measure."  | |||
"I recently got invited for a free NHS health check and just received my results. The advice they've given me is that based on my BMI I'm overweight and would benefit from being more physically active. Why is BMI still used as a measure? I know it's used in schools too with parents being told similar. Surely there has to be a better measure like taking body measurements such as waist size? Has anyone else experienced this or do I really need to step away from the biscuits "No way are you even close to overweight | |||
"It's bollocks. I'm slim frame and put on a stone a few years ago after I quite smoking and it put me on the cusp of overweight. Utter nonsense. I went to look at your pictures to see but nothing to see there "I started smoking again and lost the weight anyway.  | |||
"I recently got invited for a free NHS health check and just received my results. The advice they've given me is that based on my BMI I'm overweight and would benefit from being more physically active. Why is BMI still used as a measure? I know it's used in schools too with parents being told similar. Surely there has to be a better measure like taking body measurements such as waist size? Has anyone else experienced this or do I really need to step away from the biscuits
Op you are not overweight in the slightest. Go and have some more biscuits
Mrs"Eating sausage and chips right now so I don't think it's scarred me too much | |||
"BMI was invented as a tool to measure populations, not individuals. Body fat percentage would be a better measure." I never knew that | |||
" Just think the NHS need to stop using BMI as a measure" Agreed. I'm just shy of 6ft and weigh bang on 16 stone (due to training) at the moment. The chart tells me I have a BMI of 31.2 and that I've gone beyond overweight and I'm now obese. It's nonsense. | |||
"I recently got invited for a free NHS health check and just received my results. The advice they've given me is that based on my BMI I'm overweight and would benefit from being more physically active. Why is BMI still used as a measure? I know it's used in schools too with parents being told similar. Surely there has to be a better measure like taking body measurements such as waist size? Has anyone else experienced this or do I really need to step away from the biscuits "I know who's going to be on top next time then | |||
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"Don’t worry about it sweetie, my bollock mass index isn’t perfect either. It’s just something else we have in common "Have you got a large bollock mass index? | |||
" Just think the NHS need to stop using BMI as a measure Agreed. I'm just shy of 6ft and weigh bang on 16 stone (due to training) at the moment. The chart tells me I have a BMI of 31.2 and that I've gone beyond overweight and I'm now obese. It's nonsense." Looking at your pics that's truly nonsense! | |||
"Don’t worry about it sweetie, my bollock mass index isn’t perfect either. It’s just something else we have in common
Have you got a large bollock mass index? "A large bollock mass sounds like something you really do need to see the doctor about  | |||
"I recently got invited for a free NHS health check and just received my results. The advice they've given me is that based on my BMI I'm overweight and would benefit from being more physically active. Why is BMI still used as a measure? I know it's used in schools too with parents being told similar. Surely there has to be a better measure like taking body measurements such as waist size? Has anyone else experienced this or do I really need to step away from the biscuits "Because the NHS is too lazy to come up with a better tool or use something as simple as body fat calipers that cost a tenner and take 5 minutes to take 3 useful measurements. As I keep saying on these threads, every strength athlete and most sprinters and rugby players are clinically obese according or the NHS. It's embarrassing they use su h an archaic tool. O better than reading the tealeaves. | |||
"Don’t worry about it sweetie, my bollock mass index isn’t perfect either. It’s just something else we have in common
Have you got a large bollock mass index? "Did have, I’ve just lowered it over you and m’s privilege pictures  | |||
"If they did the BMI properly they will have taken measurements. It can also be calculated with a machine that measures body fat on your arm. Just looking st a height/ weight chart is not accurate " Sadly not true, the bmi reading is a fixed height/weight chart. No other measurements. And decent professional ignores that and uses calipers or for real accuracy a bodypod. | |||
"Don’t worry about it sweetie, my bollock mass index isn’t perfect either. It’s just something else we have in common
Have you got a large bollock mass index?
A large bollock mass sounds like something you really do need to see the doctor about " | |||
"If they did the BMI properly they will have taken measurements. It can also be calculated with a machine that measures body fat on your arm. Just looking st a height/ weight chart is not accurate Sadly not true, the bmi reading is a fixed height/weight chart. No other measurements. And decent professional ignores that and uses calipers or for real accuracy a bodypod. " What's a bodypod? | |||
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When they weigh me on the industrial garage scales they just do this face and tut. | |||
"Yet I'm apparently a healthy bmi but it's all fat "Not looking at your latest picture it's not! | |||
"They'll just give people body issues. It's madness.
When they weigh me on the industrial garage scales they just do this face and tut. "You're forgetting I've met you in person so know that the industrial garage scales are not needed | |||
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"Years ago a bmi check said I was overweight. This year at my nhs 40+ health check the nurse said I am spot on. Same weight though... "Did you get taller? | |||
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"They'll just give people body issues. It's madness.
When they weigh me on the industrial garage scales they just do this face and tut.
You're forgetting I've met you in person so know that the industrial garage scales are not needed "You were tipsy. | |||
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"They'll just give people body issues. It's madness.
When they weigh me on the industrial garage scales they just do this face and tut.
You're forgetting I've met you in person so know that the industrial garage scales are not needed
You were tipsy. "Maybe it's alcohol not biscuits I need to cut down on | |||
"I am 6ft tall and weigh 13st 2lb which means my BMI is spot on yet if i go over by 2lb i will be overweight.... its all bollox and needs updating " Yeah I think I'm right on the cusp. If they'd let me weigh naked I'd have been fine! | |||
"If they did the BMI properly they will have taken measurements. It can also be calculated with a machine that measures body fat on your arm. Just looking st a height/ weight chart is not accurate Sadly not true, the bmi reading is a fixed height/weight chart. No other measurements. And decent professional ignores that and uses calipers or for real accuracy a bodypod. What's a bodypod?" Easiest way to describe is it an mri scan for overall body fat content. Mainly used by very top end athletes and bodybuilders. | |||
"I recently got invited for a free NHS health check and just received my results. The advice they've given me is that based on my BMI I'm overweight and would benefit from being more physically active. Why is BMI still used as a measure? I know it's used in schools too with parents being told similar. Surely there has to be a better measure like taking body measurements such as waist size? Has anyone else experienced this or do I really need to step away from the biscuits
Because the NHS is too lazy to come up with a better tool or use something as simple as body fat calipers that cost a tenner and take 5 minutes to take 3 useful measurements.
As I keep saying on these threads, every strength athlete and most sprinters and rugby players are clinically obese according or the NHS. It's embarrassing they use su h an archaic tool. O better than reading the tealeaves. "Unfair of you to call the NHS lazy | |||
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"I recently got invited for a free NHS health check and just received my results. The advice they've given me is that based on my BMI I'm overweight and would benefit from being more physically active. Why is BMI still used as a measure? I know it's used in schools too with parents being told similar. Surely there has to be a better measure like taking body measurements such as waist size? Has anyone else experienced this or do I really need to step away from the biscuits
Because the NHS is too lazy to come up with a better tool or use something as simple as body fat calipers that cost a tenner and take 5 minutes to take 3 useful measurements.
As I keep saying on these threads, every strength athlete and most sprinters and rugby players are clinically obese according or the NHS. It's embarrassing they use su h an archaic tool. O better than reading the tealeaves.
Unfair of you to call the NHS lazy " no its not. We don't all have to fall for the media view of the NHS.
The various management layers and wastefulness of the NHS is shocking. I know thst isn't the PC opinion and we have to think they're all wonderful, but I'm afraid I don't. | |||
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" Just think the NHS need to stop using BMI as a measure Agreed. I'm just shy of 6ft and weigh bang on 16 stone (due to training) at the moment. The chart tells me I have a BMI of 31.2 and that I've gone beyond overweight and I'm now obese. It's nonsense." Well said tubs. | |||
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"Mines always classed me as overweight, which is a joke because I've always been too slim in my mind, just with big legs. A new scale is definitely needed. x" Just big legs? | |||
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Your BMI suggests you may be at risk of developing weight-related problems.
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"My professional opinion. BMI is the most outdated, useless, misleading scale & I cannot understand why it is still being used. It doesn't factor in lifestyle, muscle mass or body fat. The majority of my clients and myself, would come up as obese/morbidly obese. " | |||
"Years ago a bmi check said I was overweight. This year at my nhs 40+ health check the nurse said I am spot on. Same weight though...
Did you get taller? "Nope! Well I didn't shrink, thankfully either! | |||
"I recently got invited for a free NHS health check and just received my results. The advice they've given me is that based on my BMI I'm overweight and would benefit from being more physically active. Why is BMI still used as a measure? I know it's used in schools too with parents being told similar. Surely there has to be a better measure like taking body measurements such as waist size? Has anyone else experienced this or do I really need to step away from the biscuits "Look up the BODPOD, it’s the gold standard for measure biometrics! It’s just too expensive for everyone to use!! Hence why BMI is still done to ruoughly calculate weight | |||
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"I'm a right fat fucker on the cusp of death according to BMI "I know cpr... | |||
"I recently got invited for a free NHS health check and just received my results. The advice they've given me is that based on my BMI I'm overweight and would benefit from being more physically active. Why is BMI still used as a measure? I know it's used in schools too with parents being told similar. Surely there has to be a better measure like taking body measurements such as waist size? Has anyone else experienced this or do I really need to step away from the biscuits
Because the NHS is too lazy to come up with a better tool or use something as simple as body fat calipers that cost a tenner and take 5 minutes to take 3 useful measurements.
As I keep saying on these threads, every strength athlete and most sprinters and rugby players are clinically obese according or the NHS. It's embarrassing they use su h an archaic tool. O better than reading the tealeaves.
Unfair of you to call the NHS lazy "Totally agree with the above comment, the NHS are far from lazy! | |||
"I'm a right fat fucker on the cusp of death according to BMI
I know cpr... "Good to know | |||
"I recently got invited for a free NHS health check and just received my results. The advice they've given me is that based on my BMI I'm overweight and would benefit from being more physically active. Why is BMI still used as a measure? I know it's used in schools too with parents being told similar. Surely there has to be a better measure like taking body measurements such as waist size? Has anyone else experienced this or do I really need to step away from the biscuits
Because the NHS is too lazy to come up with a better tool or use something as simple as body fat calipers that cost a tenner and take 5 minutes to take 3 useful measurements.
As I keep saying on these threads, every strength athlete and most sprinters and rugby players are clinically obese according or the NHS. It's embarrassing they use su h an archaic tool. O better than reading the tealeaves.
Unfair of you to call the NHS lazy
Totally agree with the above comment, the NHS are far from lazy! "Tom, you pout in your profile picture, therefore opinion invalid | |||
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"I recently got invited for a free NHS health check and just received my results. The advice they've given me is that based on my BMI I'm overweight and would benefit from being more physically active. Why is BMI still used as a measure? I know it's used in schools too with parents being told similar. Surely there has to be a better measure like taking body measurements such as waist size? Has anyone else experienced this or do I really need to step away from the biscuits "I’m a qualified PT I’ve just bought some scales which electronically measure bmi body fat % and visceral fat % I look at those two more than bmi I don’t think it’s used as much as what it used to be I would take it with a pinch of salt try get some more fitness and health tests done | |||
"I recently got invited for a free NHS health check and just received my results. The advice they've given me is that based on my BMI I'm overweight and would benefit from being more physically active. Why is BMI still used as a measure? I know it's used in schools too with parents being told similar. Surely there has to be a better measure like taking body measurements such as waist size? Has anyone else experienced this or do I really need to step away from the biscuits
I’m a qualified PT I’ve just bought some scales which electronically measure bmi body fat % and visceral fat % I look at those two more than bmi I don’t think it’s used as much as what it used to be I would take it with a pinch of salt try get some more fitness and health tests done "Just to pint out those scales without handles to aid measurement are almost useless and wildly in a urate even with. You would be much better off using calipers. | |||
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"I recently got invited for a free NHS health check and just received my results. The advice they've given me is that based on my BMI I'm overweight and would benefit from being more physically active. Why is BMI still used as a measure? I know it's used in schools too with parents being told similar. Surely there has to be a better measure like taking body measurements such as waist size? Has anyone else experienced this or do I really need to step away from the biscuits "Yeah it’s a load of nonsense. According to my BMI I’m clinically obese. Bodybuilders who don’t have an ounce of fat on them but are obviously heavy due to muscle mass are classed as obese. It just doesn’t make any sense. | |||
" Just think the NHS need to stop using BMI as a measure Agreed. I'm just shy of 6ft and weigh bang on 16 stone (due to training) at the moment. The chart tells me I have a BMI of 31.2 and that I've gone beyond overweight and I'm now obese. It's nonsense." I am just under 6 2, under between 17 & 16 stone. I am overweight but I agree I am. I need to loose another stone really and tighten dad belly | |||
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"People know that overweight doesn't mean overfat, right? Just means your are heavy, which you would be if carrying a lot of muscle. " Yes | |||
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"BMI is calculated by dividing weight (in kg) by the square of height (in metres. But for example muscle is heavier than fat so I wouldn't worry about it as Im also overweight for my height when I did this "BMI classes myself as obese due to my bloody muscle mass! Miss P | |||
"I had one of the NHS checkups earlier in the year. They do take into consideration overall activity level before claiming you are overweight and you need to do something about it. BMI is used as a guide to determine if you need to do more exercise." Mine didn't as I exercise 4 times a week and was commended for doing so on that part of the letter. On the very next section on BMI they said I needed to do more exercise! | |||
"I recently got invited for a free NHS health check and just received my results. The advice they've given me is that based on my BMI I'm overweight and would benefit from being more physically active. Why is BMI still used as a measure? " No idea, it's rubbish " I know it's used in schools too with parents being told similar. Surely there has to be a better measure like taking body measurements such as waist size? " Body fat % is inherently superior " Has anyone else experienced this or do I really need to step away from the biscuits " | |||
"I recently got invited for a free NHS health check and just received my results. The advice they've given me is that based on my BMI I'm overweight and would benefit from being more physically active. Why is BMI still used as a measure? I know it's used in schools too with parents being told similar. Surely there has to be a better measure like taking body measurements such as waist size? Has anyone else experienced this or do I really need to step away from the biscuits "You look amazing BMI is bull work out you fat % look around 18% which is the sexy % xxx | |||
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"There was a good thread asking people who might benefit from losing some weight how they would best be spoken to about it by health professionals, last week or the week before. It included some discussion on using BMI, pros and cons. It still has some merits, albeit outliers with massive amounts of muscle can be wrongly categorized as high BMI and body fat, for example. I still use it for myself, despite knowing its flaws. " There aren't any pros, most people inside their 'correct' bmi look ill. | |||
"There was a good thread asking people who might benefit from losing some weight how they would best be spoken to about it by health professionals, last week or the week before. It included some discussion on using BMI, pros and cons. It still has some merits, albeit outliers with massive amounts of muscle can be wrongly categorized as high BMI and body fat, for example. I still use it for myself, despite knowing its flaws. There aren't any pros, most people inside their 'correct' bmi look ill. " Word | |||
"There was a good thread asking people who might benefit from losing some weight how they would best be spoken to about it by health professionals, last week or the week before. It included some discussion on using BMI, pros and cons. It still has some merits, albeit outliers with massive amounts of muscle can be wrongly categorized as high BMI and body fat, for example. I still use it for myself, despite knowing its flaws. There aren't any pros, most people inside their 'correct' bmi look ill. " I don't look ill and I'm within my bmi  | |||
"There was a good thread asking people who might benefit from losing some weight how they would best be spoken to about it by health professionals, last week or the week before. It included some discussion on using BMI, pros and cons. It still has some merits, albeit outliers with massive amounts of muscle can be wrongly categorized as high BMI and body fat, for example. I still use it for myself, despite knowing its flaws. There aren't any pros, most people inside their 'correct' bmi look ill. I don't look ill and I'm within my bmi "So aren't you delighted at not being a most doesn't change the fact that bmi is bollocks. When I dieted heavily years ago to get down to mine friends thought I was dying! | |||
"There was a good thread asking people who might benefit from losing some weight how they would best be spoken to about it by health professionals, last week or the week before. It included some discussion on using BMI, pros and cons. It still has some merits, albeit outliers with massive amounts of muscle can be wrongly categorized as high BMI and body fat, for example. I still use it for myself, despite knowing its flaws. There aren't any pros, most people inside their 'correct' bmi look ill. I don't look ill and I'm within my bmi
So aren't you delighted at not being a most doesn't change the fact that bmi is bollocks. When I dieted heavily years ago to get down to mine friends thought I was dying! "What has happened is the definition of what people consider to look healthy has changed since the introduction of bmi as a tool. People expect you to be carrying a bit of extra padding and, as others have said on the forum, it also doesn't take into account excess muscle. It is an indication of a healthy weight. Maybe consider that excess muscle is just as bad as excess fat? | |||
"I recently got invited for a free NHS health check and just received my results. The advice they've given me is that based on my BMI I'm overweight and would benefit from being more physically active. Why is BMI still used as a measure? No idea, it's rubbish I know it's used in schools too with parents being told similar. Surely there has to be a better measure like taking body measurements such as waist size? Body fat % is inherently superior Has anyone else experienced this or do I really need to step away from the biscuits "Just body fat or visceral fat? | |||
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"According to the BMI chart I’m also overweight. Even though I work out 4-5 times a week and being in the best shape of my life... I had no idea NHS used this for real, it’s ridiculous... " Tip of the ice berg. You should see the measures they use to make economic policy. | |||
"According to the BMI chart I’m also overweight. Even though I work out 4-5 times a week and being in the best shape of my life... I had no idea NHS used this for real, it’s ridiculous... Tip of the ice berg. You should see the measures they use to make economic policy. " They use lettuce to make economic policy, wow, is there nothing they can’t do ?! | |||
"According to the BMI chart I’m also overweight. Even though I work out 4-5 times a week and being in the best shape of my life... I had no idea NHS used this for real, it’s ridiculous... Tip of the ice berg. You should see the measures they use to make economic policy. They use lettuce to make economic policy, wow, is there nothing they can’t do ?!" Lettuce was the upgrade from tarot cards that were phased out in 2009 | |||
"According to the BMI chart I’m also overweight. Even though I work out 4-5 times a week and being in the best shape of my life... I had no idea NHS used this for real, it’s ridiculous... Tip of the ice berg. You should see the measures they use to make economic policy. They use lettuce to make economic policy, wow, is there nothing they can’t do ?! Lettuce was the upgrade from tarot cards that were phased out in 2009" Now now, you can't criticise the NHS, they're amazing, I've already been told off for saying they are lazy and inefficient. Once upon a time, the NHS and a Japanese company decided to have a competitive boat race on the river Thames. Both teams practiced long and hard to reach their peak performance. On the big day, they were as ready as they could be. The Japanese won by a mile! Afterwards the NHS team became very discouraged by the loss and morale sagged. Senior management decided that the reason for the crushing defeat had to be found, and a project team was set up to investigate the problem and recommend appropriate action. Their conclusion: The problem was that the Japanese had eight people rowing, and one person steering. The NHS had one person rowing and eight people steering. Senior management immediately hired a consultancy company to do a study on the team structure. Millions of pounds and several months later the consultancy company concluded that: Too many people were steering and not enough rowing. To prevent loosing to the Japanese again next year, the team structure was changed to 'four steering managers, three senior steering managers and one executive steering manager'. A new quality performance system was set up for the person rowing the boat to give more incentive to work harder and become a key performer. "We must give him empowerment and enrichment, that ought to do it". The next year, the Japanese won by TWO miles! The NHS laid off the rower for poor performance, sold all the paddles and cancelled all the capital investment for new equipment. They halted the development of a new boat, awarded high performance awards to the consultants and distributed the money saved to senior management. | |||
"According to the BMI chart I’m also overweight. Even though I work out 4-5 times a week and being in the best shape of my life... I had no idea NHS used this for real, it’s ridiculous... Tip of the ice berg. You should see the measures they use to make economic policy. They use lettuce to make economic policy, wow, is there nothing they can’t do ?! Lettuce was the upgrade from tarot cards that were phased out in 2009 Now now, you can't criticise the NHS, they're amazing, I've already been told off for saying they are lazy and inefficient. Once upon a time, the NHS and a Japanese company decided to have a competitive boat race on the river Thames. Both teams practiced long and hard to reach their peak performance. On the big day, they were as ready as they could be. The Japanese won by a mile! Afterwards the NHS team became very discouraged by the loss and morale sagged. Senior management decided that the reason for the crushing defeat had to be found, and a project team was set up to investigate the problem and recommend appropriate action. Their conclusion: The problem was that the Japanese had eight people rowing, and one person steering. The NHS had one person rowing and eight people steering. Senior management immediately hired a consultancy company to do a study on the team structure. Millions of pounds and several months later the consultancy company concluded that: Too many people were steering and not enough rowing. To prevent loosing to the Japanese again next year, the team structure was changed to 'four steering managers, three senior steering managers and one executive steering manager'. A new quality performance system was set up for the person rowing the boat to give more incentive to work harder and become a key performer. "We must give him empowerment and enrichment, that ought to do it". The next year, the Japanese won by TWO miles! The NHS laid off the rower for poor performance, sold all the paddles and cancelled all the capital investment for new equipment. They halted the development of a new boat, awarded high performance awards to the consultants and distributed the money saved to senior management." There is a difference between saying that there are too many senior and middle managers and calling the NHS staff lazy. | |||
"According to the BMI chart I’m also overweight. Even though I work out 4-5 times a week and being in the best shape of my life... I had no idea NHS used this for real, it’s ridiculous... Tip of the ice berg. You should see the measures they use to make economic policy. They use lettuce to make economic policy, wow, is there nothing they can’t do ?! Lettuce was the upgrade from tarot cards that were phased out in 2009 Now now, you can't criticise the NHS, they're amazing, I've already been told off for saying they are lazy and inefficient. Once upon a time, the NHS and a Japanese company decided to have a competitive boat race on the river Thames. Both teams practiced long and hard to reach their peak performance. On the big day, they were as ready as they could be. The Japanese won by a mile! Afterwards the NHS team became very discouraged by the loss and morale sagged. Senior management decided that the reason for the crushing defeat had to be found, and a project team was set up to investigate the problem and recommend appropriate action. Their conclusion: The problem was that the Japanese had eight people rowing, and one person steering. The NHS had one person rowing and eight people steering. Senior management immediately hired a consultancy company to do a study on the team structure. Millions of pounds and several months later the consultancy company concluded that: Too many people were steering and not enough rowing. To prevent loosing to the Japanese again next year, the team structure was changed to 'four steering managers, three senior steering managers and one executive steering manager'. A new quality performance system was set up for the person rowing the boat to give more incentive to work harder and become a key performer. "We must give him empowerment and enrichment, that ought to do it". The next year, the Japanese won by TWO miles! The NHS laid off the rower for poor performance, sold all the paddles and cancelled all the capital investment for new equipment. They halted the development of a new boat, awarded high performance awards to the consultants and distributed the money saved to senior management. There is a difference between saying that there are too many senior and middle managers and calling the NHS staff lazy." A lot of NHS staff are lazy. That's my opinion. I won't be changing it until I see improvements. When I compare the care I get from Bupa, to the care I get from the NHS it is quite shocking, and a lot of that is down to work ethic and efficiency, not money. That doesn't mean all NHS staff a tree lazy, because they aren't, but as an organisation the NHS is lazy and inefficient, imo. And the reason people's expectation of looks from when the BMI was invented and now is the BMI was created during post war rationing. When people barely had access to enough good food to stay healthy. So of course the look has changed. That doesn't mean people have settled for extra padding. You put a healthy man or woman from the 40s and 50s next to one from now and that isn't a different look in padding, I. E. Fat, it is a significantly more healthy and attractive look. Muscle tone, definition n and overall health. Which willaslo explain why a man of 50 now is still nearly at peak health, 60years ago they were almost old men. | |||
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