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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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The UN Global Warming Talks are currently happening in South Africa, the talks are stalling as the Worlds biggest polluters (China, U.S. and India) are resisting agreement.
This summit isn't even being reported on our normal media channels!
Do we or should we still care about Global Warming?
It seems to have moved well down the pecking order.
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By *teborahCouple
over a year ago
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Global warming talks in South Africa! that's a statement in itself!! been there many times over the last few years and if there ever was a country that could't give a fuck about global warming or pollution then they are it!  |
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We should all be concerned when the Earth goes through a global climactic change, it affects us all.
However, the question can we do anything about it is more important. The Earth has undergone global warming at least 3 or 4 times in it's history of which humans have been here for exactly none of them. There is a huge question that pollution may not be the route cause and global warming would still happen regardless. As it has many times previously.
Usually followed straight after by an Ice Age. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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I am very skeptical about the computer models being used to determine climate change as they now like to call it.
However amongst all the windmills and hybrid cars there are some very exiting new technologies being developed, that really will make a difference irrespective, that probably wouldn't be developed without the political show.
I say let them have the conferences. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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How hypocritical of the politicians to attend a summit on Global warming in SA. Not bescause it's in SA but how did they arrive, I bet none of 'em fooking walked................................Big fancy expensive privately chartered jets me thinks. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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DOnt care.. never did care.. Yes we are warming up, but only the same as they can show its done a good few times before.. what was the excuses then...
To me its just an excuse to profit more.
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"How hypocritical of the politicians to attend a summit on Global warming in SA. Not bescause it's in SA but how did they arrive, I bet none of 'em fooking walked................................Big fancy expensive privately chartered jets me thinks."
Unfortunately wherever they hold the conference in the world it will entail air travel for 99% of the delegates.
I am afraid that 'Star Trek' teleportation devices haven't been developed as of yet....it's only fiction. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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Unfortunately wherever they hold the conference in the world it will entail air travel for 99% of the delegates.
I am afraid that 'Star Trek' teleportation devices haven't been developed as of yet....it's only fiction."
I'll grant you that, the point I think I was trying to make was, why bother with the air travel and the conference for something which probably will just descend into yet another damp squib with no significant solution, contribution or pledge from any particular nation/s. It seems global warming is with us to stay and there don't seem to be a whole lot anyone can do about it bar let the nature do what it will. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Data is compiled by the climate change lobby, other scientists disagree.
Other scientists of the day once said the earth was flat too....."
That argument is pathetic because it was a time when the world was undiscovered by navigation. |
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Personally I think there is now little we can do to change the inevitable, we have had our own 'Industrial Revolution' period in history, and we can hardly deny the developing nations their own attempts at lifestyle improvements.....
I'm moving further South, closer to the equator than where I live now....that way I and eventually my children will live in a place where it's warmer. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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This phenomena has happened many times before over the course of history
And will continue to happen whether we as a species are here or not
People seem to forget we are on a ball of rock traveling through space at 67000 miles an hour
I personally think that proves how stable the world is
But it will never be perfectly stable it just can't be
The big fuss about it at the moment is just another pitiful excuse to tax and charge us
It's unlikey whatever we do will make a scrap of difference
We have tried to beat nature for years and she still continues to do exactly what she wants
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I am afraid that 'Star Trek' teleportation devices haven't been developed as of yet....it's only fiction."
True, however video conferencing is possible!
Anyhow teleportation has far more interesting application for meet's don't want it clogged up by politicians  |
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By (user no longer on site)
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The big fuss about it at the moment is just another pitiful excuse to tax and charge us
It's unlikey whatever we do will make a scrap of difference
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There's a saying I think, involves nail and head. Bang on Soapy |
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"Data is compiled by the climate change lobby, other scientists disagree.
Other scientists of the day once said the earth was flat too.....
That argument is pathetic because it was a time when the world was undiscovered by navigation."
Is it?....the scientists that once thought the world was flat were also 'Refuseniks'....much in the way that present day global warming doubters are 'Refuseniks'....
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By *orestersCouple
over a year ago
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"Data is compiled by the climate change lobby, other scientists disagree.
Other scientists of the day once said the earth was flat too....."
That's a load of rubbish - Aristotle suggested that the earth was spherical in approx. 300BC, long before any "sciences" were acknowledged. In the middle ages it was well documented that the earth wasn't flat. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"DOnt care.. never did care.. Yes we are warming up, but only the same as they can show its done a good few times before.. what was the excuses then...
To me its just an excuse to profit more.
Cali x"
its more to do with how fast the change is happening, it will happen again for sure!! but in 50,000 years not in 50 as we are going towards!! governments and many people are burying their heads in the sand!!
It amazes me that some people take this so lightly, the polar ice caps have shrunk so much over the last ten years it frightening!!  |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"DOnt care.. never did care.. Yes we are warming up, but only the same as they can show its done a good few times before.. what was the excuses then...
To me its just an excuse to profit more.
Cali x
its more to do with how fast the change is happening, it will happen again for sure!! but in 50,000 years not in 50 as we are going towards!! governments and many people are burying their heads in the sand!!
It amazes me that some people take this so lightly, the polar ice caps have shrunk so much over the last ten years it frightening!! "
I'm not frightened, I live on top of a hill and I'm going to build a big boat. Tickets will be on sale shortly. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Data is compiled by the climate change lobby, other scientists disagree.
Other scientists of the day once said the earth was flat too.....
That argument is pathetic because it was a time when the world was undiscovered by navigation.
Is it?....the scientists that once thought the world was flat were also 'Refuseniks'....much in the way that present day global warming doubters are 'Refuseniks'....
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There is global warming but the argument is whether man is contributing significantly to this. There are solutions to man contribution even if man isn't really causing it, they just require funding.
Politicians do have the major say in where R+D budgets go, I say run with it, we're running out of oil anyway. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Data is compiled by the climate change lobby, other scientists disagree."
I wonder who the other scientists are having their grants paid for, the "climate change lobby" has only a fraction of the funds of big global businesses who lobby many times more to build plants and strip natural resources and damage things with disregard for the future and just look after profits!!
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By (user no longer on site)
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Global warming is a natural occuring phenomenon. It has been accelerated through industrial companies polluting but bovines are a main culprit too through the release of methane gasses and they are just natures creatures.
The Earth has gone through millions of years of natural changes and that is what is happening now, we can't beat nature, we can only watch it unfold. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Data is compiled by the climate change lobby, other scientists disagree.
Other scientists of the day once said the earth was flat too.....
That argument is pathetic because it was a time when the world was undiscovered by navigation.
Is it?....the scientists that once thought the world was flat were also 'Refuseniks'....much in the way that present day global warming doubters are 'Refuseniks'....
There is global warming but the argument is whether man is contributing significantly to this. There are solutions to man contribution even if man isn't really causing it, they just require funding.
Politicians do have the major say in where R+D budgets go, I say run with it, we're running out of oil anyway."
totally agree we arer running out of oil etc and R&D is the way out. About time britian stopped making and funding weapons companies and turn all those exceptional minds to trying to save the planet instead!! could easily do it, the hybrid and hydrogen cars are out there already but with oil and petrol funding governments all over the world why turn your back on this big cash cow until it runs out?? why would they?? |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Data is compiled by the climate change lobby, other scientists disagree.
I wonder who the other scientists are having their grants paid for, the "climate change lobby" has only a fraction of the funds of big global businesses who lobby many times more to build plants and strip natural resources and damage things with disregard for the future and just look after profits!!
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Yes, but they do these things so that they have products to sell you which you keep buying ! |
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By *aucy3Couple
over a year ago
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"Data is compiled by the climate change lobby, other scientists disagree.
Other scientists of the day once said the earth was flat too.....
That argument is pathetic because it was a time when the world was undiscovered by navigation.
Is it?....the scientists that once thought the world was flat were also 'Refuseniks'....much in the way that present day global warming doubters are 'Refuseniks'....
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The worlds a globe nutters,they,re the ones that keep falling off the edge. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Data is compiled by the climate change lobby, other scientists disagree.
Other scientists of the day once said the earth was flat too.....
That argument is pathetic because it was a time when the world was undiscovered by navigation.
Is it?....the scientists that once thought the world was flat were also 'Refuseniks'....much in the way that present day global warming doubters are 'Refuseniks'....
There is global warming but the argument is whether man is contributing significantly to this. There are solutions to man contribution even if man isn't really causing it, they just require funding.
Politicians do have the major say in where R+D budgets go, I say run with it, we're running out of oil anyway.
totally agree we arer running out of oil etc and R&D is the way out. About time britian stopped making and funding weapons companies and turn all those exceptional minds to trying to save the planet instead!! could easily do it, the hybrid and hydrogen cars are out there already but with oil and petrol funding governments all over the world why turn your back on this big cash cow until it runs out?? why would they?? "
The problem with electric and hydrogen cars is that they move the source of pollution away from the car and onto the electricity and hydrogen producers. The car may look green, the big power planet that charges the car's battery isn't clean at all. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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There has been 'Global warming' since the end of the last ice age...
It's now used as a tax revenue and scam, via carbon trading, off set tradings, tree planting etc etc
I fail to see how we can make a decision based on 100 years of date on something that some millions and millions of years old... |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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The sheer fact that most people aren't bothered about this and a whole raft of other environmental issues because "it doesn't affect them" is both naive and hugely ignorant, not to mention selfish.
The human race's impact on the world has become so detrimental to the planets ecology that we'll never be rid of this problem and so long as the worlds population's attitude stays the same it will continue to get worse.
One of the main causes to our failings is over population. The world can't sustain itself with the amount of people living in it. This will become apparent in the next 100 years. Another obvious problem is that man is ultimately wasteful. Simply put 'all the little things we forget to do, can't be bothered to do, leave switched on etc all adds up'. If you now multiply yourself to the population, then that's a lot of waste. There's also the sociological problems to face. More people, more housing, more infrastructure, more money needed, higher taxes, or areas affected to recoup money, crime, benefits etc etc, and that's just not Britain but every country.
Basically, everything affects everything, and everyone affects everyone. I suppose when looking into a global problem such as warming, you need to change the world's population's attitude at the bottom. I haven't even mentioned environmental issues...............
I know there'll be people who'll disagree, but this is merely a point of view. If you want to change the world for the better now, for your kids and their children, not just for yourself then it's up to you and you alone.
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By *umourCouple
over a year ago
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Climate change is happening. Of that there is no doubt! Thing is, why is it happening?
Check into the explosion of Krakatau (West of Java!) in 1883 and see the destruction that caused and the amount of volcanic ash and dust ejected into the atmosphere. Then read what scientists have said about that event and how the atmospheric pollution cooled the earths temperatures well into the 20th century. And there you have just one alternative reason for the warming that has taken place over the last 50 years or so!
Also, when we were at school, we were told that the Rain Forests were the “lungs” of planet Earth. Even then we were destroying them at a prodigious rate. Our (very savvy) teacher told us that cutting them down would lead to more pollution and that would give rise to a change in climate.
Bear in mind that we are less polluting today with a higher population that we were in the 1800’s and yet global warming/climate change has only been happening for the last 50 years. Could it be that the “human” element to this is nothing more than destroying the Rain Forests?
We are putting money into wind farms and ruining our coastal and mountainous region views, along with peoples lives if they live near. It is costing a fortune and will never make enough electricity to make a difference.
Why are we not investing more in Solar for the millions of private properties in this country? That is the real way to go. (There’s your plug, Wishy! Lol)
The upshot of what we have been lied to about (to enable raised taxation!) is that there is growing scepticism and a reluctance of the general populace to want to do anything to help. OK, a few buy those horrid Prius things, but that is probably the most un-green car of our times taken in whole life carbon. We all recycle to some degree, but that is because of lack of space to dump.
Just for once, I’d like the politicians and scientists to tell us the truth. On Scientists… There was a lack of money for research and along came Global Warming! All of a sudden there was a mass of money sloshing around so scientists jumped on the bandwagon. I wonder how many are still of that mind? They are all pretty quiet after the University of East Anglia cock up!
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"Data is compiled by the climate change lobby, other scientists disagree.
Other scientists of the day once said the earth was flat too.....
That's a load of rubbish - Aristotle suggested that the earth was spherical in approx. 300BC, long before any "sciences" were acknowledged. In the middle ages it was well documented that the earth wasn't flat."
Come on, it's not a load of rubbish. The church backed 'scientists' of the day believed and preached that the World was flat. The point is others at the time knew it wasn't and we now conclusively know it isn't. Today some industry backed scientists dismiss global warming, it's not a bad simile from history. |
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By *orestersCouple
over a year ago
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"Data is compiled by the climate change lobby, other scientists disagree.
Other scientists of the day once said the earth was flat too.....
That's a load of rubbish - Aristotle suggested that the earth was spherical in approx. 300BC, long before any "sciences" were acknowledged. In the middle ages it was well documented that the earth wasn't flat.
Come on, it's not a load of rubbish. The church backed 'scientists' of the day believed and preached that the World was flat. The point is others at the time knew it wasn't and we now conclusively know it isn't. Today some industry backed scientists dismiss global warming, it's not a bad simile from history. "
The flat earth thing's an urban myth. Church "scientists" only preached from the bible's "facts", otherwise the Inquisition would have cut off their twiddly bits and roast them on an open fire. The accepted King James version of the bible makes no comment as to the state of the planet in that respect.
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The bible isn't the be all and end all for the world's population though is it?
The Chinese, the Indians, and much of the Muslim world took far longer to adapt to the concept of the world being spherical....
Long, long after Aristotle was dead and buried...
In fact long after Arostotle died, centuries after, there were still some Greek philisophers who disagreed with the writings of Aristotle....which was my point, there will always be those that question the wisdom of others....including individuals who don't believe there is any such thing as Global Warming. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Data is compiled by the climate change lobby, other scientists disagree.
Other scientists of the day once said the earth was flat too.....
That argument is pathetic because it was a time when the world was undiscovered by navigation.
Is it?....the scientists that once thought the world was flat were also 'Refuseniks'....much in the way that present day global warming doubters are 'Refuseniks'....
There is global warming but the argument is whether man is contributing significantly to this. There are solutions to man contribution even if man isn't really causing it, they just require funding.
Politicians do have the major say in where R+D budgets go, I say run with it, we're running out of oil anyway.
totally agree we arer running out of oil etc and R&D is the way out. About time britian stopped making and funding weapons companies and turn all those exceptional minds to trying to save the planet instead!! could easily do it, the hybrid and hydrogen cars are out there already but with oil and petrol funding governments all over the world why turn your back on this big cash cow until it runs out?? why would they??
The problem with electric and hydrogen cars is that they move the source of pollution away from the car and onto the electricity and hydrogen producers. The car may look green, the big power planet that charges the car's battery isn't clean at all."
They're looking at a feasible way of creating hydrogen using hydrolysis from seawater, using off shore wind farms.
Production of hydrogen is not the problem, storage for everyday use is the problem, a company called Cella Energy in Oxfordshire has created micro beads that can store hydrogen at ordinary temperatures and pressure. Creating something in the lab and creating something that can be mass produced is another, but if thing is as hot as they claim. We could all be driving hydrogen fuel cell cars. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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We don't hear so much about the ozone layer anymore do we? Could that be because it repaired itself?
America made no effort to reduce their greenhouse gas emissions and neither did China, yet the planet has managed somehow to close the hole in the ozone layer above the Arctics.
This planet has an axial tilt of about 23.5°, which means it rotates at 23.5° to it's orbital plane, but it hasn't always been so, and Earth's tilt changes over time and it's that change which has an effect on the severity or mildness of the seasons around the world. It also causes climate change in areas that have had a stable climate, and that is what I believe causes what is known as 'global warming'.
The politicians and business sectors have conveniently put enough scare information out there that most believe the planet is heading for disaster - and then they tax us to high heaven for causing it.
Cobblers. |
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By *umourCouple
over a year ago
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"We don't hear so much about the ozone layer anymore do we? Could that be because it repaired itself?
America made no effort to reduce their greenhouse gas emissions and neither did China, yet the planet has managed somehow to close the hole in the ozone layer above the Arctics.
This planet has an axial tilt of about 23.5°, which means it rotates at 23.5° to it's orbital plane, but it hasn't always been so, and Earth's tilt changes over time and it's that change which has an effect on the severity or mildness of the seasons around the world. It also causes climate change in areas that have had a stable climate, and that is what I believe causes what is known as 'global warming'.
The politicians and business sectors have conveniently put enough scare information out there that most believe the planet is heading for disaster - and then they tax us to high heaven for causing it.
Cobblers."
Just a thought... Talking about the Global Tilt that this planet exhibits. I have often wondered if man will have an effect on that. Look at the way we have built masses of concrete structures in random places around the globe, with no thought for the balance!
OK, I do realise that it would probably take a massive weight to actually unbalance the Earth, but that much weight is there. Look at the way China is building and even India! But, building is being concentrated in areas across the globe and would be pulling in all different directions, maybe enough to destabilize the world?
I must point out that I am in no way clever enough to understand what I just typed and I have no idea if it is possible, but after watching too many Sci-Fi films on the tele..
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By *obletonMan
over a year ago
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"I am very skeptical about the computer models being used to determine climate change as they now like to call it."
Very good - I'm impressed!
For some info on what's wrong with some of the fundamentals of the models that are being used, I recomend you check these out - if you're up to it - they are pretty heavy going for a layperson.
Flynn, K. J. (2005) Castles built on sand: dysfunctionality in plankton
models and the inadequacy of dialogue between biologists and
modellers. J. Plankton Res., 27, 1205–1210.
Flynn, K. J. (2008) Use, abuse, misconceptions and insights from
quota models—the droop cell quota model 40 years on. Oceanogr.
Mar. Biol. Ann. Rev., 48, 1–23.
Franks, P. J. S. (2009) Planktonic ecosystem models: perplexing parameterizations
and a failure to fail. J. Plankton Res., 31, 1299–1306.
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I am very skeptical about the computer models being used to determine climate change as they now like to call it.
Very good - I'm impressed!
For some info on what's wrong with some of the fundamentals of the models that are being used, I recomend you check these out - if you're up to it - they are pretty heavy going for a layperson.
Flynn, K. J. (2005) Castles built on sand: dysfunctionality in plankton
models and the inadequacy of dialogue between biologists and
modellers. J. Plankton Res., 27, 1205–1210.
Flynn, K. J. (2008) Use, abuse, misconceptions and insights from
quota models—the droop cell quota model 40 years on. Oceanogr.
Mar. Biol. Ann. Rev., 48, 1–23.
Franks, P. J. S. (2009) Planktonic ecosystem models: perplexing parameterizations
and a failure to fail. J. Plankton Res., 31, 1299–1306.
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Blimey you're not kidding, plankton is not my strong subject.
I would have thought there are many factors to the plankton population, marine pollution being the biggest factor. |
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By *obletonMan
over a year ago
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I would have thought there are many factors to the plankton population, marine pollution being the biggest factor."
ok - quick summation:
the oceans are the biggest sink (recipient) for atmospheric carbon on earth.
They absorb it through physical processes, but biological processes (i.e marine photosynthetic phytoplankton) account for the majority.
So if you are looking to create a model to make long term predictions of global carbon cycling, getting a model to predict what the planets single largest consumer of atmospheric carbon is going to do would be pretty key to getting it right.
However the modellers aren't biologists - they aren't even (usually) biological modellers - they are geophysical modellers - so they tend to employ over-simplified and rather outmoded models of phytoplankton growth that make all kinds of silly assumptions.
So the model predictions can't really be trusted to any great degree of accuracy.
Of course there's more to climate change than models.
and of course the climate IS changing .... getting warmer at a time when we are entering a phase of the milankovich cycle when it should be getting colder.
and carbon dioxide is a factor
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By *aucy3Couple
over a year ago
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and of course the climate IS changing .... getting warmer at a time when we are entering a phase of the milankovich cycle when it should be getting colder.
and carbon dioxide is a factor
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who would have thought.
milankovich cycle + global warming = equilibrium.
ffs we're saving the planet,happy days.
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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I read somewhere else............................
If you were to measure the life of the earth in human terms of a life lasting for 80 years, the time that humans have been creating carbon dioxide equates to a period of time equating to the blink of an eye in that period of 80 years. To suggest that factors in that tiny period of time could affect the worlds climate is just untenable.
Another very simple school time lesson anecdote from a basic (primary school) biology lesson - carbon dioxide is second only to oxygen as being the bringer of life and food to our planet. Far from being something hideous, carbon dioxide is a wonderful gas without which we could not survive and the trees, plants and crops that feed and supply us would simply not exist. |
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By *obletonMan
over a year ago
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"I read somewhere else............................
If you were to measure the life of the earth in human terms of a life lasting for 80 years, the time that humans have been creating carbon dioxide equates to a period of time equating to the blink of an eye in that period of 80 years. To suggest that factors in that tiny period of time could affect the worlds climate is just untenable.
Another very simple school time lesson anecdote from a basic (primary school) biology lesson - carbon dioxide is second only to oxygen as being the bringer of life and food to our planet. Far from being something hideous, carbon dioxide is a wonderful gas without which we could not survive and the trees, plants and crops that feed and supply us would simply not exist."
pretty standard denialist stuff.#
the first is just an argument from incredulity - I can't understand it therefore it can't be true.
as for the second....
go sit in a sealed room full of CO2 and see how wonderful it is |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"The UN Global Warming Talks are currently happening in South Africa, the talks are stalling as the Worlds biggest polluters (China, U.S. and India) are resisting agreement.
This summit isn't even being reported on our normal media channels!
Do we or should we still care about Global Warming?
It seems to have moved well down the pecking order.
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I care what we are doing to the planet full stop. We have made a mess so far and it will only get worse. The greed of the few and all that. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"go sit in a sealed room full of CO2 and see how wonderful it is"
Go and live on a planet without CO2 and see how long it will take you to starve to death because of the lack of plant and animal life.
The key to life on any planet is equillibrium and man hasn't been around anywhere near long enough to upset the equillibrium of this planet. We may be the instrument of our own demise one day but the planet itself will recover and get along just fine without us. |
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"go sit in a sealed room full of CO2 and see how wonderful it is
Go and live on a planet without CO2 and see how long it will take you to starve to death because of the lack of plant and animal life.
The key to life on any planet is equillibrium and man hasn't been around anywhere near long enough to upset the equillibrium of this planet. We may be the instrument of our own demise one day but the planet itself will recover and get along just fine without us."
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By (user no longer on site)
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I don't know much about this subject but..Its agreed that the planet has gone thru periods before of cooling down and warming up. Presumably this is because of the Suns activity. So,and this may be a stupid question,is this 'global' warming or 'solar system' warming? Are the other planets also getting warmer?
Last time I checked there were no cars or cows on Venus..Or carbon taxes |
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By *drianukMan
over a year ago
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Climate change has always happened. There's no evidence it is man-made.
Therefore, is it worth us spending a fortune trying to change something that will happen without us anyway?
It's just an excuse for the Left to find a new role for the state and to put taxes up! |
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By (user no longer on site)
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I think that there have been some interesting points made.....
It is true that there are scientists pro and anti global climate change but the ones against are in a vast minority.
Yes climate models can be unreliable, but they almost all point to one thing, put this much (and more) carbon dioxide (CO2) into the atmosphere and temperatures will rise.
Yes, levels of CO2 naturally change quite quickly, but over 1000's of years.
Yes climate has changed in the past, sometimes quite wildly, but rarely so quickly without an external factor (an asteroid, say).
A simple experiment to test the effects of CO2..... take two empty drink bottles, suck the air from one take a few deep breaths and blow it back out again. Put a thermostat into each seal the bottles and leave them somewhere sunny for 5 minutes. You will find that the one with the breath is warmer (by a little). that's because your breath has a lot of CO2 init and in high concentrations it captures heat better than at low concentrations.
Since the begining of the industrial revolution, humans have raised CO2 levels from around 2000 parts per million to well over 3500. That's not a massive amount compared to the general volume of the atmosphere, but we have nearly doubled the amount of heat trap gas.
At the end of the day, should we be worried about Global Climate Change? Depends, if you live by a river, or by the sea, buy some wellies, I am sure you will be ok. If you live on a hill, horray! Beach front properties!
Sorry to ramble but am d*unk..... |
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By *obletonMan
over a year ago
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"Climate change has always happened. There's no evidence it is man-made.
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I think we need to be absolutely clear what you actually mean by that - what you mean is that there is no evidence that you would be prepred to accept.
It's a lot like creationism in that respect |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Climate change has always happened. There's no evidence it is man-made.
I think we need to be absolutely clear what you actually mean by that - what you mean is that there is no evidence that you would be prepred to accept.
It's a lot like creationism in that respect "
There is a significant gain to be made whatever the reason for the current upward tend in global temperatures, moving from a carbon based to a hydrogen based would not not only make ecological sense but economic too. |
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By *obletonMan
over a year ago
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"We don't hear so much about the ozone layer anymore do we? Could that be because it repaired itself?
America made no effort to reduce their greenhouse gas emissions and neither did China, yet the planet has managed somehow to close the hole in the ozone layer above the Arctics.
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BTW wishy - you are a little confused in this one.
the hole in the ozone layer was not caused by CO2 and it's not related in any meaningful way to climate change.
The ozone hole was caused by CFCs - the gasses we used to use in refrigerators.
Ozone is constantly being produced in the atmosphere, so when we moved from using CFCs to HFC and HCFC based refrigerant gasses around the mid to end of the 90s - and put in place legislation to rigorously control their release into the environment - the ozone hole began to replenish itself.
See? it's simple when you have a basic command of the facts. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Climate change has always happened. There's no evidence it is man-made.
I think we need to be absolutely clear what you actually mean by that - what you mean is that there is no evidence that you would be prepred to accept.
It's a lot like creationism in that respect "
Some creationists make a very good case.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oixmj5jA7JI |
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"We don't hear so much about the ozone layer anymore do we? Could that be because it repaired itself?
America made no effort to reduce their greenhouse gas emissions and neither did China, yet the planet has managed somehow to close the hole in the ozone layer above the Arctics.
BTW wishy - you are a little confused in this one.
the hole in the ozone layer was not caused by CO2 and it's not related in any meaningful way to climate change.
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From The Ozone Hole (.com):
The ozone hole is a completely different phenomenon to global warming, however there are links between them. The ozone hole is caused by ozone depleting chemicals in the atmosphere, which have been produced by industry, for example CFCs. One link is that CFCs are also 'greenhouse gasses'. Enhanced global warming is a probable consequence of increasing amounts of 'greenhouse gasses', such as carbon dioxide and methane, in the atmosphere. Although the surface of the earth warms, higher up the atmosphere cools, thus increasing the area where stratospheric clouds can form. This makes a larger area susceptible to ozone depletion and provides another link between the two issues. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"What a waste of time building wind farms, when yesterday the wind blew very hard and they burst into flames
i think 165mph is a bit more than blowing 'very hard' "
Dunno,there's a couple of blow hards on here who could probably top that |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Climate change has always happened. There's no evidence it is man-made.
I think we need to be absolutely clear what you actually mean by that - what you mean is that there is no evidence that you would be prepred to accept.
It's a lot like creationism in that respect
Some creationists make a very good case.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oixmj5jA7JI"
No they don't. They muddy the waters with questions which they think are difficult because the average person doesmn't know enough to answer.... |
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By (user no longer on site)
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Just a thought... Talking about the Global Tilt that this planet exhibits. I have often wondered if man will have an effect on that. Look at the way we have built masses of concrete structures in random places around the globe, with no thought for the balance!
OK, I do realise that it would probably take a massive weight to actually unbalance the Earth, but that much weight is there. Look at the way China is building and even India! But, building is being concentrated in areas across the globe and would be pulling in all different directions, maybe enough to destabilize the world?
I must point out that I am in no way clever enough to understand what I just typed and I have no idea if it is possible, but after watching too many Sci-Fi films on the tele..
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I think the earths gravity sorts out any extra weight...anything else is just adding to its mass no?-but not affecting its naturally changing tilt... |
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By (user no longer on site)
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Its happening, undeniable, is it man-made, we definitely add to it, by how much is debatable. What it isnt, is a big conspiracy to tax people and build stupid stuff like a lot of people think, that would be a bloody big conspiracy involving some of the most respected people/institutions around. |
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I should care... I know I should care... but hand on heart... nah I don't for the simple reason that I won't be around to see Norfolk disappear.
Sadly like many people, I care more about the things which impact on me now or tomorrow.... not after I have gone. |
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I care about my children...and their children, but there is little I or my family can do to counteract this....
However as regards Norfolk....I would happily see it flood next week, if only because my mother in law lives there...and the witch can't swim! |
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"I care about my children...and their children, but there is little I or my family can do to counteract this....
However as regards Norfolk....I would happily see it flood next week, if only because my mother in law lives there...and the witch can't swim!"
not even with webbed feet? |
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By (user no longer on site)
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I care about global warming….!.
I care about the impact its having now….!.
I care about what further impact it may have in the future .!.
I care enough to believe that regardless of cause, whether it's either man made, or natural phenomena, or a combination of the two, we as a species should be doing all we can to help reduce any negative impact its having on our eco-system , for which all living things depend for survival ……
I find it a pathetic some people are not prepared to consider human behaviour may have contributed to the effect and therefore think we should do nothing and await whatever happens with a sense of inevitability
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"I care about my children...and their children, but there is little I or my family can do to counteract this....
However as regards Norfolk....I would happily see it flood next week, if only because my mother in law lives there...and the witch can't swim!
not even with webbed feet?"
Unfortunately as she wasn't born in Norfolk she doesn't have the benefit of webbed feet.....anyway who could swim if I tied them to a chair and locked them in a cupboard under the stairs?
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By *umourCouple
over a year ago
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Just reading through some old links on my PC before deleting them and came across this:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1426744/Middle-Ages-were-warmer-than-today-say-scientists.html
It is back in 2003 and something that bears reading! It is also worth looking up other Medieval temperature sites. There was no industry or motor transport, so in my view, it supports the "cycle" theory! This planet warms and cools and will continue to do so.
Whereas I do agree that we need to preserve our resources and take care of our environment, climate change is without doubt tax raising. No need for a conspiracy, Governments around the world have raised billions as they jump on the bandwagon after other countries have done it.
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By (user no longer on site)
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Doesn't look like many care about much at all .... for example
•Just under 7.6 million children dying every year
•1 child dying every 4 seconds
•14 children dying every minute
•A 2011 Libya conflict-scale death toll every day
•A 2010 Haiti earthquake occurring every 10 days
•A 2004 Asian Tsunami occurring every 11 days
•An Iraq-scale death toll every 19–46 days
•Some 92 million children dying between 2000 and 2010
The killers? poverty, hunger, preventable diseases and illnesses, and the like.
Rarely managing to achieve, let alone sustain, headline coverage.
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Doesn't look like many care about much at all .... for example
•Just under 7.6 million children dying every year
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Would the world have the resources to sustain such numbers if they did survive their cultural /political/ social environment??
in just 10 years there would be more people alive than live in the UK, 20 years plus their children, so many people....We find it shocking through modern UK eyes, NHS /welfare state /developed county, but look back 50, 100, 200 years and the UK had a high infant mortality rate.
I know it sounds harsh but... |
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I could be wrong, but there seems more cutting and pasting in this thread, than you'd expect to find in kindergarten class preparing for mothers day,,,,,
Who’d have thought there was so many expert-climatologist swingers,,,eh!
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"I could be wrong, but there seems more cutting and pasting in this thread, than you'd expect to find in kindergarten class preparing for mothers day,,,,,
Who’d have thought there was so many expert-climatologist swingers,,,eh!
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I blame google |
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By (user no longer on site)
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How much is it for a big dodge ram these days, could do with one for the school run as it's 100 yard away.
Roll on the heat, better summers, warmer winters.
Climate change will benefit us all, so come on guys ditch the bus/train etc and buy V8 or above.
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Cant believe some of the comebacks to this debate! We all should care about our plamet, our childrens future, their childtens amd so on. The facts are there should people be bothered, but, people are more bothered for their drink, fags and next shag to be bothered about their world, laugh and poke fun isnt gteat, its your kids future and grandkids future and you should be concerned,.. the ice is melting at an alarming rate sadly,.... animals are suffering and will become extinct .... but hey,... carry on not caring and poking fun... what do i know.. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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Anyone remember the save it campaign in the 70's?
That's the way, explain about savings and how to reduce the amount of resources we use and not the use as much a you like, as long as you can pay for it... |
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Global warming is a natural phenomenon the sun is a star as it ages it gets hotter before it dies.
So naturally the earth is going to get hotter in the future and recycling isnt going to make a blind bit of difference.
It was simply a gimmick thought up by pr men ie politicians to stealth tax us to pay fr there incompetence at spending our money
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why should i care i wont be around in billions of years when the sun dies.
To all you who believe this rubbish well how about maybe thinking of cutting all this recycling nonsense stealth taxing and putting to winter fuel allowances for the elderly instead or something that will make a differnce rather than simply putting more of our tax money in the politicians pocket. |
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"Global warming is a natural phenomenon the sun is a star as it ages it gets hotter before it dies.
So naturally the earth is going to get hotter in the future and recycling isnt going to make a blind bit of difference.
It was simply a gimmick thought up by pr men ie politicians to stealth tax us to pay fr there incompetence at spending our money
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I don’t think there is much scientific research on climate change that does openly acknowledge there is a natural cycle whereby the earth has already warmed and cooled many times before, and that that cycle is expected to continue…….
However for anyone to dismiss human-kinds destructive activities also possibly contribute a negative impact based on some ludicrous claim it’s all a tax raising gimmick is so absurd, frankly its too embarrassing to even consider,,,,
Yeah like as if…….. Somehow the politician of this world have exacted some kind of leverage over swathes of scientific community getting them involved in some conspiracy scam just to raise tax at the risk of losing all credibility for their chosen vocation……….. yeah…. Rite-on……pfffttttt like thats gonna happen.....
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By (user no longer on site)
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Global warming or not, the bare facts are that we are shitting up this beautiful planet.
Global warming has been used as a divisive distractor recently. Pollution is what we should be looking at and what the big guns are scared we will look at.
We are so busy arguing about global warming that pollution has gone by the by. |
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"Personally I think there is now little we can do to change the inevitable, we have had our own 'Industrial Revolution' period in history, and we can hardly deny the developing nations their own attempts at lifestyle improvements.....
I'm moving further South, closer to the equator than where I live now....that way I and eventually my children will live in a place where it's warmer."
great, I will stay in Scotland, a rural life
will still drive solo in car, rather than bus, train or tube
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