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By *ady LickWoman
over a year ago
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"Christ, another thing to Google.....
You can be in charge of doing all the Googling for us."
Thanks 
This is something to do with being a bit 'me, me, me' I think but way too deep and meaningful  |
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"Christ, another thing to Google.....
You can be in charge of doing all the Googling for us.
Thanks
This is something to do with being a bit 'me, me, me' I think but way too deep and meaningful "
Not visually traumatic then...dull. |
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There's a wonderful story of Bertrand Russell debating with a solipsist on a show. Now Russell was a canny philosopher .
Its practically impossible to beat a solipsist argument ( note I used the singular not plural form  .
So he aged to the mans vanity.
He told him that it was impossible to beat his argument with logic ,and that the solipsist was only the second person to win an argument against him .
The solipsist accepted ,giving into vanity and therefore lost his argument.
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"There's a wonderful story of Bertrand Russell debating with a solipsist on a show. Now Russell was a canny philosopher .
Its practically impossible to beat a solipsist argument ( note I used the singular not plural form .
So he aged to the mans vanity.
He told him that it was impossible to beat his argument with logic ,and that the solipsist was only the second person to win an argument against him .
The solipsist accepted ,giving into vanity and therefore lost his argument."
??  Or alternatively Russell just conceded the argument as he said |
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Possibly. Even if that was the case, the person he was debating with accepted his defeat on the basis he was only the SECOND person to beat him , thereby confirming his stance was false .
Russell was a very smart man, I'd edge my bets on the side of vanity .
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"Possibly. Even if that was the case, the person he was debating with accepted his defeat on the basis he was only the SECOND person to beat him , thereby confirming his stance was false .
Russell was a very smart man, I'd edge my bets on the side of vanity ."
I don't know the story. But it strikes me that he didn't accept winning due to being the second person. He accepted winning because Russell conceded it was impossible to beat him using logic. Which is correct. The second person thing... that was just Russell's parting joke on conceding. It didn't reverse the result. It just added a touch of amusement to it. Though, personally, I think it would probably have been funnier and just as effective to have let out a fucking stinker of a fart and caused everyone to vacate the discussion |
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"Possibly. Even if that was the case, the person he was debating with accepted his defeat on the basis he was only the SECOND person to beat him , thereby confirming his stance was false .
Russell was a very smart man, I'd edge my bets on the side of vanity .
I don't know the story. But it strikes me that he didn't accept winning due to being the second person. He accepted winning because Russell conceded it was impossible to beat him using logic. Which is correct. The second person thing... that was just Russell's parting joke on conceding. It didn't reverse the result. It just added a touch of amusement to it. Though, personally, I think it would probably have been funnier and just as effective to have let out a fucking stinker of a fart and caused everyone to vacate the discussion "
Haha you may be right regarding the stinker. However vanity may have led to him not correcting Russell regarding the second person inclusion.
The account I heard was that Russell intentionally intimated defeat and included the second person in order to play on his weakness, vanity, as one may assume that a solipsist is the ultimate form of narcissism. Would you not agree?.
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"Possibly. Even if that was the case, the person he was debating with accepted his defeat on the basis he was only the SECOND person to beat him , thereby confirming his stance was false .
Russell was a very smart man, I'd edge my bets on the side of vanity .
I don't know the story. But it strikes me that he didn't accept winning due to being the second person. He accepted winning because Russell conceded it was impossible to beat him using logic. Which is correct. The second person thing... that was just Russell's parting joke on conceding. It didn't reverse the result. It just added a touch of amusement to it. Though, personally, I think it would probably have been funnier and just as effective to have let out a fucking stinker of a fart and caused everyone to vacate the discussion
Haha you may be right regarding the stinker. However vanity may have led to him not correcting Russell regarding the second person inclusion.
The account I heard was that Russell intentionally intimated defeat and included the second person in order to play on his weakness, vanity, as one may assume that a solipsist is the ultimate form of narcissism. Would you not agree?."
Ahh I see what you're getting at now. Russell conceded the argument. The guy felt over the moon. Russell then said "and you're only the second person who has beaten me" and the man, delighted, accepted that... therein proving that he himself wasn't actually a solipsist at heart as he was delighted to have been the second person when a true solipsist would have contended there was no such second person 
I think the only real argument against solipsism is that no one can live it. Some profess to being it but so much of their lives are predicated on it not being true. Outside of that, however, it is irrefutable. So rather than dismiss it in any way the best we can do is be agnostic on that issue imo
I'm not a solipsist. I'd class myself as closer to an idealist. But I'm agnostic on the issue |
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"Possibly. Even if that was the case, the person he was debating with accepted his defeat on the basis he was only the SECOND person to beat him , thereby confirming his stance was false .
Russell was a very smart man, I'd edge my bets on the side of vanity .
I don't know the story. But it strikes me that he didn't accept winning due to being the second person. He accepted winning because Russell conceded it was impossible to beat him using logic. Which is correct. The second person thing... that was just Russell's parting joke on conceding. It didn't reverse the result. It just added a touch of amusement to it. Though, personally, I think it would probably have been funnier and just as effective to have let out a fucking stinker of a fart and caused everyone to vacate the discussion
Haha you may be right regarding the stinker. However vanity may have led to him not correcting Russell regarding the second person inclusion.
The account I heard was that Russell intentionally intimated defeat and included the second person in order to play on his weakness, vanity, as one may assume that a solipsist is the ultimate form of narcissism. Would you not agree?.
Ahh I see what you're getting at now. Russell conceded the argument. The guy felt over the moon. Russell then said "and you're only the second person who has beaten me" and the man, delighted, accepted that... therein proving that he himself wasn't actually a solipsist at heart as he was delighted to have been the second person when a true solipsist would have contended there was no such second person
I think the only real argument against solipsism is that no one can live it. Some profess to being it but so much of their lives are predicated on it not being true. Outside of that, however, it is irrefutable. So rather than dismiss it in any way the best we can do is be agnostic on that issue imo
I'm not a solipsist. I'd class myself as closer to an idealist. But I'm agnostic on the issue "
Logically a true challenge.
I'd need to check the details but my understanding is Russell didn't intend to admit defeat, he simply allowed the man to lower his guard and his vanity took the bait. |
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Ooh my quote should go here too! 
"The moment you start watching the thinker, a higher level of consciousness becomes activated. You then begin to realize that there is a vast realm of intelligence beyond thought, that thought is only a tiny aspect of that intelligence. You also realize that all the things that truly matter – beauty, love, creativity, joy, inner peace – arise from beyond the mind. You begin to awaken."
Eckhart Toll |
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"Ooh my quote should go here too!
"The moment you start watching the thinker, a higher level of consciousness becomes activated. You then begin to realize that there is a vast realm of intelligence beyond thought, that thought is only a tiny aspect of that intelligence. You also realize that all the things that truly matter – beauty, love, creativity, joy, inner peace – arise from beyond the mind. You begin to awaken."
Eckhart Toll"
Have you heard any of Toll' s lectures, interesting and a sense of humour |
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"Ooh my quote should go here too!
"The moment you start watching the thinker, a higher level of consciousness becomes activated. You then begin to realize that there is a vast realm of intelligence beyond thought, that thought is only a tiny aspect of that intelligence. You also realize that all the things that truly matter – beauty, love, creativity, joy, inner peace – arise from beyond the mind. You begin to awaken."
Eckhart Toll
Have you heard any of Toll' s lectures, interesting and a sense of humour "
Yes I don't follow him or anything but I like his style and humour on YouTube and he makes some very interesting points. |
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"Ooh my quote should go here too!
"The moment you start watching the thinker, a higher level of consciousness becomes activated. You then begin to realize that there is a vast realm of intelligence beyond thought, that thought is only a tiny aspect of that intelligence. You also realize that all the things that truly matter – beauty, love, creativity, joy, inner peace – arise from beyond the mind. You begin to awaken."
Eckhart Toll
Have you heard any of Toll' s lectures, interesting and a sense of humour
Yes I don't follow him or anything but I like his style and humour on YouTube and he makes some very interesting points."
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"Ooh my quote should go here too!
"The moment you start watching the thinker, a higher level of consciousness becomes activated. You then begin to realize that there is a vast realm of intelligence beyond thought, that thought is only a tiny aspect of that intelligence. You also realize that all the things that truly matter – beauty, love, creativity, joy, inner peace – arise from beyond the mind. You begin to awaken."
Eckhart Toll
Have you heard any of Toll' s lectures, interesting and a sense of humour
Yes I don't follow him or anything but I like his style and humour on YouTube and he makes some very interesting points."
Yes,he's a very witty character. |
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