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By *tella Heels OP TV/TS
over a year ago
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I know stupid question, recently I have known I had cancer, before the actual diagnosis and prognosis, I assumed the worst and came to terms with the thought of dying, not existing anymore. So as now I know I am not going to die from cancer yet!! My thoughts are this...
Is life the end of our journey, or the the begging? Does something catty on after our bodies expire? |
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over a year ago
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The first law of thermodynamics, also known as Law of Conservation of Energy, states that energy can neither be created nor destroyed; energy can only be transferred or changed from one form to another
You'll be recycled  |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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I personally believe that there is something more, what and how our life force continues is anyone’s guess and nobody can be proved right or wrong.
I just hope above all else that in the afterlife there will be sex and lager. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Your body is just a machine that is being operated by your consciousness. Your consciousness/soul is pure energy & energy cannot be destroyed. It can only change into something else, so when our bodies die that energy has to go somewhere!
Personally I believe that we are all the universe experiencing itself subjectively through each living person/animal & when our bodies die our consciousness/soul becomes one with the universe once again. |
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"Your body is just a machine that is being operated by your consciousness. Your consciousness/soul is pure energy & energy cannot be destroyed. It can only change into something else, so when our bodies die that energy has to go somewhere!
Personally I believe that we are all the universe experiencing itself subjectively through each living person/animal & when our bodies die our consciousness/soul becomes one with the universe once again."
All of the elements that make up your body and the planet Earth itself, other than hydrogen and helium, were made in stars or during during explosions of massive stars. |
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"Your body is just a machine that is being operated by your consciousness. Your consciousness/soul is pure energy & energy cannot be destroyed. It can only change into something else, so when our bodies die that energy has to go somewhere!
Personally I believe that we are all the universe experiencing itself subjectively through each living person/animal & when our bodies die our consciousness/soul becomes one with the universe once again."
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Sex and lager you say .You want Valhalla and you'll need to die in battle with an axe in your hand to get in . 
I want a big flying hulking blonde babe with boobie armour"
I want a
Valkyrie to.
It's a good enough reason to die in battle as any . |
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"I know stupid question, recently I have known I had cancer, before the actual diagnosis and prognosis, I assumed the worst and came to terms with the thought of dying, not existing anymore. So as now I know I am not going to die from cancer yet!! My thoughts are this...
Is life the end of our journey, or the the begging? Does something catty on after our bodies expire?"
Yes your spirit stays around. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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Pope recently confirmed that when we die.. we just die there is no hell or heaven... which I have been saying to Muslims, Christians, Jews, Hindus, Buddhists and everyone I meet for a very long time  |
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I read something on P's book of face a while back and the gist of it was... The bright light at the end of the tunnel that people say they've seen when they've died (but been brought back to life) is the first light that the baby sees when it is being born. |
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By *rsSBWoman
over a year ago
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I don't try to worry about the afterlife, I just enjoy this life. If there is one, it will be there when I die. If there is not after life, not much I can do. I'm trying to make this one awesome.
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If you think long enough about what it is like to go to sleep and never wake up (death) you will eventually start to think about what it would be like to wake up having never gone to sleep (birth).
Do you feel a loss for never knowing what came 'before' birth? Then why fear what come after you die?
As Carl Segan said 'we are all star dust' we will continue to exist as we are the universe itself though we can only experience one moment at a time. |
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"If you think long enough about what it is like to go to sleep and never wake up (death) you will eventually start to think about what it would be like to wake up having never gone to sleep (birth).
Do you feel a loss for never knowing what came 'before' birth? Then why fear what come after you die?
As Carl Segan said 'we are all star dust' we will continue to exist as we are the universe itself though we can only experience one moment at a time. "
He sounds like a poet and poets are cunts |
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"If you think long enough about what it is like to go to sleep and never wake up (death) you will eventually start to think about what it would be like to wake up having never gone to sleep (birth).
Do you feel a loss for never knowing what came 'before' birth? Then why fear what come after you die?
As Carl Segan said 'we are all star dust' we will continue to exist as we are the universe itself though we can only experience one moment at a time.
He sounds like a poet and poets are cunts "
You mean Carl Sagan? He was an astronomer, or did you mean me? If me then that is possibily the nicest thing anyone has ever said to me  |
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"Your body is just a machine that is being operated by your consciousness. Your consciousness/soul is pure energy & energy cannot be destroyed. It can only change into something else, so when our bodies die that energy has to go somewhere!
Personally I believe that we are all the universe experiencing itself subjectively through each living person/animal & when our bodies die our consciousness/soul becomes one with the universe once again.
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I read something on P's book of face a while back and the gist of it was... The bright light at the end of the tunnel that people say they've seen when they've died (but been brought back to life) is the first light that the baby sees when it is being born."
It always amuses me about how people who say there's nothing after death always leave one thing out... time. In their minds you die and then the endless expanse of time carries on without you. Yet, in truth, if the soul really doesn't persist, then you would stop experiencing time immediately upon death. The vastest expanse of time could pass but you wouldn't experience it. Big bang after Big bang. Universe followed by heat death followed by universe followed by heat death. Onward for an absurdly long period of time... all passed without you being in any way aware of their passing. Until the absolutely implausible occurred again, as it will, and the forces that brought you into being bring you into being again. And you begin to exist again.
To you the gap between dieing and being reborn would pass utterly imperceptibly. You would simply seemlessly pass from death to birth |
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By (user no longer on site)
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Recently lost my brother to cancer and I’m hoping there is. Getting little signs there is like white feathers etc and keep dreaming of him. There is probably a perfectly reasonable explanation why but right now it’s comforting for me. |
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"Recently lost my brother to cancer and I’m hoping there is. Getting little signs there is like white feathers etc and keep dreaming of him. There is probably a perfectly reasonable explanation why but right now it’s comforting for me. "
One thing is certain, he lives on in your memory. |
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"Recently lost my brother to cancer and I’m hoping there is. Getting little signs there is like white feathers etc and keep dreaming of him. There is probably a perfectly reasonable explanation why but right now it’s comforting for me. "
That's what belief brings enjoy |
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"I read something on P's book of face a while back and the gist of it was... The bright light at the end of the tunnel that people say they've seen when they've died (but been brought back to life) is the first light that the baby sees when it is being born.
It always amuses me about how people who say there's nothing after death always leave one thing out... time. In their minds you die and then the endless expanse of time carries on without you. Yet, in truth, if the soul really doesn't persist, then you would stop experiencing time immediately upon death. The vastest expanse of time could pass but you wouldn't experience it. Big bang after Big bang. Universe followed by heat death followed by universe followed by heat death. Onward for an absurdly long period of time... all passed without you being in any way aware of their passing. Until the absolutely implausible occurred again, as it will, and the forces that brought you into being bring you into being again. And you begin to exist again.
To you the gap between dieing and being reborn would pass utterly imperceptibly. You would simply seemlessly pass from death to birth "
You believe in reincarnation? I find the concept interesting but can't get past wondering where all the souls that haven't existed before are. |
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Its unlikely that there is life after death however if there is its not likely to be life as we know it otherwise there would be no point in mortality, it would be wasted energy. |
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"Your body is just a machine that is being operated by your consciousness. Your consciousness/soul is pure energy & energy cannot be destroyed. It can only change into something else, so when our bodies die that energy has to go somewhere!
Personally I believe that we are all the universe experiencing itself subjectively through each living person/animal & when our bodies die our consciousness/soul becomes one with the universe once again.
All of the elements that make up your body and the planet Earth itself, other than hydrogen and helium, were made in stars or during during explosions of massive stars. "
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"I read something on P's book of face a while back and the gist of it was... The bright light at the end of the tunnel that people say they've seen when they've died (but been brought back to life) is the first light that the baby sees when it is being born.
It always amuses me about how people who say there's nothing after death always leave one thing out... time. In their minds you die and then the endless expanse of time carries on without you. Yet, in truth, if the soul really doesn't persist, then you would stop experiencing time immediately upon death. The vastest expanse of time could pass but you wouldn't experience it. Big bang after Big bang. Universe followed by heat death followed by universe followed by heat death. Onward for an absurdly long period of time... all passed without you being in any way aware of their passing. Until the absolutely implausible occurred again, as it will, and the forces that brought you into being bring you into being again. And you begin to exist again.
To you the gap between dieing and being reborn would pass utterly imperceptibly. You would simply seemlessly pass from death to birth
You believe in reincarnation? I find the concept interesting but can't get past wondering where all the souls that haven't existed before are."
How many souls can you fit in a pint glass? 1? 100? 100000? 1000000000000? Whether souls have any physical attributes or not, it's unlikely that they follow the same laws of scale and mechanics of the rest of the physical universe.
I don't "believe" in reincarnation. If nothing exists after death reincarnation is a logical certainty. That's all. Personally, I agree with a previous poster that our experience continues after death but we become absorbed back into the living universe |
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"I read something on P's book of face a while back and the gist of it was... The bright light at the end of the tunnel that people say they've seen when they've died (but been brought back to life) is the first light that the baby sees when it is being born.
It always amuses me about how people who say there's nothing after death always leave one thing out... time. In their minds you die and then the endless expanse of time carries on without you. Yet, in truth, if the soul really doesn't persist, then you would stop experiencing time immediately upon death. The vastest expanse of time could pass but you wouldn't experience it. Big bang after Big bang. Universe followed by heat death followed by universe followed by heat death. Onward for an absurdly long period of time... all passed without you being in any way aware of their passing. Until the absolutely implausible occurred again, as it will, and the forces that brought you into being bring you into being again. And you begin to exist again.
To you the gap between dieing and being reborn would pass utterly imperceptibly. You would simply seemlessly pass from death to birth
You believe in reincarnation? I find the concept interesting but can't get past wondering where all the souls that haven't existed before are.
How many souls can you fit in a pint glass? 1? 100? 100000? 1000000000000? Whether souls have any physical attributes or not, it's unlikely that they follow the same laws of scale and mechanics of the rest of the physical universe.
I don't "believe" in reincarnation. If nothing exists after death reincarnation is a logical certainty. That's all. Personally, I agree with a previous poster that our experience continues after death but we become absorbed back into the living universe "
Sorry... Should've made it clear that all the souls who haven't existed yet could possibly fit on the head of a pin. Or smaller. We don't know? |
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"I read something on P's book of face a while back and the gist of it was... The bright light at the end of the tunnel that people say they've seen when they've died (but been brought back to life) is the first light that the baby sees when it is being born.
It always amuses me about how people who say there's nothing after death always leave one thing out... time. In their minds you die and then the endless expanse of time carries on without you. Yet, in truth, if the soul really doesn't persist, then you would stop experiencing time immediately upon death. The vastest expanse of time could pass but you wouldn't experience it. Big bang after Big bang. Universe followed by heat death followed by universe followed by heat death. Onward for an absurdly long period of time... all passed without you being in any way aware of their passing. Until the absolutely implausible occurred again, as it will, and the forces that brought you into being bring you into being again. And you begin to exist again.
To you the gap between dieing and being reborn would pass utterly imperceptibly. You would simply seemlessly pass from death to birth
You believe in reincarnation? I find the concept interesting but can't get past wondering where all the souls that haven't existed before are.
How many souls can you fit in a pint glass? 1? 100? 100000? 1000000000000? Whether souls have any physical attributes or not, it's unlikely that they follow the same laws of scale and mechanics of the rest of the physical universe.
I don't "believe" in reincarnation. If nothing exists after death reincarnation is a logical certainty. That's all. Personally, I agree with a previous poster that our experience continues after death but we become absorbed back into the living universe
Sorry... Should've made it clear that all the souls who haven't existed yet could possibly fit on the head of a pin. Or smaller. We don't know? "
The soul is energy & energy cannot be created, only borrowed from somewhere else. We are all just energy borrowed from the universe & when our bodies die we have to give that energy back. |
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By *os19Man
over a year ago
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I think once a person closes their eyes that’s it no more I personally don’t believe in reincarnation or a afterlife.Yesterday was 6 years since my father passed away he lives on only in the memory of his family. |
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I'm no religious fan, but when my 98yo grandmother died, I was with her in the room.
She raised herself in the bed,pointed to the corner of the room, and said "Benjamin" (her late husband).
My mother asked her "what can you see". It freaked me out, and has done eversince as I'm pretty sure a 98yo on her death bed thinks about lying...Grandmother pointed to the corner again and said "Ben's waiting for me & wants me to go with him"...Minutes later she died... |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I read something on P's book of face a while back and the gist of it was... The bright light at the end of the tunnel that people say they've seen when they've died (but been brought back to life) is the first light that the baby sees when it is being born.
It always amuses me about how people who say there's nothing after death always leave one thing out... time. In their minds you die and then the endless expanse of time carries on without you. Yet, in truth, if the soul really doesn't persist, then you would stop experiencing time immediately upon death. The vastest expanse of time could pass but you wouldn't experience it. Big bang after Big bang. Universe followed by heat death followed by universe followed by heat death. Onward for an absurdly long period of time... all passed without you being in any way aware of their passing. Until the absolutely implausible occurred again, as it will, and the forces that brought you into being bring you into being again. And you begin to exist again.
To you the gap between dieing and being reborn would pass utterly imperceptibly. You would simply seemlessly pass from death to birth
You believe in reincarnation? I find the concept interesting but can't get past wondering where all the souls that haven't existed before are.
How many souls can you fit in a pint glass? 1? 100? 100000? 1000000000000? Whether souls have any physical attributes or not, it's unlikely that they follow the same laws of scale and mechanics of the rest of the physical universe.
I don't "believe" in reincarnation. If nothing exists after death reincarnation is a logical certainty. That's all. Personally, I agree with a previous poster that our experience continues after death but we become absorbed back into the living universe
Sorry... Should've made it clear that all the souls who haven't existed yet could possibly fit on the head of a pin. Or smaller. We don't know?
The soul is energy & energy cannot be created, only borrowed from somewhere else. We are all just energy borrowed from the universe & when our bodies die we have to give that energy back."
Energy has mass so what's the weight of a soul .Can we measure the difference before death and after.
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"I read something on P's book of face a while back and the gist of it was... The bright light at the end of the tunnel that people say they've seen when they've died (but been brought back to life) is the first light that the baby sees when it is being born.
It always amuses me about how people who say there's nothing after death always leave one thing out... time. In their minds you die and then the endless expanse of time carries on without you. Yet, in truth, if the soul really doesn't persist, then you would stop experiencing time immediately upon death. The vastest expanse of time could pass but you wouldn't experience it. Big bang after Big bang. Universe followed by heat death followed by universe followed by heat death. Onward for an absurdly long period of time... all passed without you being in any way aware of their passing. Until the absolutely implausible occurred again, as it will, and the forces that brought you into being bring you into being again. And you begin to exist again.
To you the gap between dieing and being reborn would pass utterly imperceptibly. You would simply seemlessly pass from death to birth
You believe in reincarnation? I find the concept interesting but can't get past wondering where all the souls that haven't existed before are.
How many souls can you fit in a pint glass? 1? 100? 100000? 1000000000000? Whether souls have any physical attributes or not, it's unlikely that they follow the same laws of scale and mechanics of the rest of the physical universe.
I don't "believe" in reincarnation. If nothing exists after death reincarnation is a logical certainty. That's all. Personally, I agree with a previous poster that our experience continues after death but we become absorbed back into the living universe
Sorry... Should've made it clear that all the souls who haven't existed yet could possibly fit on the head of a pin. Or smaller. We don't know?
The soul is energy & energy cannot be created, only borrowed from somewhere else. We are all just energy borrowed from the universe & when our bodies die we have to give that energy back.
Energy has mass so what's the weight of a soul .Can we measure the difference before death and after.
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Energy has no mass! Energy gives the atoms that make up everything in the known universe it's mass & that same energy field that creates the stars, the planets, the trees, the ants & everything in between is the same field of energy that creates us. All the souls throughout the universe are all part of that one singular energy field. We are all one with the universe. We all are the universe! |
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"I read something on P's book of face a while back and the gist of it was... The bright light at the end of the tunnel that people say they've seen when they've died (but been brought back to life) is the first light that the baby sees when it is being born.
It always amuses me about how people who say there's nothing after death always leave one thing out... time. In their minds you die and then the endless expanse of time carries on without you. Yet, in truth, if the soul really doesn't persist, then you would stop experiencing time immediately upon death. The vastest expanse of time could pass but you wouldn't experience it. Big bang after Big bang. Universe followed by heat death followed by universe followed by heat death. Onward for an absurdly long period of time... all passed without you being in any way aware of their passing. Until the absolutely implausible occurred again, as it will, and the forces that brought you into being bring you into being again. And you begin to exist again.
To you the gap between dieing and being reborn would pass utterly imperceptibly. You would simply seemlessly pass from death to birth
You believe in reincarnation? I find the concept interesting but can't get past wondering where all the souls that haven't existed before are.
How many souls can you fit in a pint glass? 1? 100? 100000? 1000000000000? Whether souls have any physical attributes or not, it's unlikely that they follow the same laws of scale and mechanics of the rest of the physical universe.
I don't "believe" in reincarnation. If nothing exists after death reincarnation is a logical certainty. That's all. Personally, I agree with a previous poster that our experience continues after death but we become absorbed back into the living universe
Sorry... Should've made it clear that all the souls who haven't existed yet could possibly fit on the head of a pin. Or smaller. We don't know? "
So, bear with me here while I try and get my noggin round this, there's a gap between dying and being reborn but we aren't aware of it, I can understand that. Do souls already exist that haven't been born even once yet or are there some that are created anew? |
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"So, bear with me here while I try and get my noggin round this, there's a gap between dying and being reborn but we aren't aware of it, I can understand that. Do souls already exist that haven't been born even once yet or are there some that are created anew? "
That depends on the definition of a soul, personally I don't believe in the soul, I think it is a bio chemical reaction so therefore it doesnt exist without the body.
But if we believe the religious definition only humans have a soul in Christianity, so something must be making new virgin souls for the population increase. Other religions who focus more on reincarnation attribute souls to all life, and it is possible that the total cross species population is a constant so no need for new ones, just remove one species and increase another.
Still think you should make the best of every day, and think one life, live It! |
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"So, bear with me here while I try and get my noggin round this, there's a gap between dying and being reborn but we aren't aware of it, I can understand that. Do souls already exist that haven't been born even once yet or are there some that are created anew?
That depends on the definition of a soul, personally I don't believe in the soul, I think it is a bio chemical reaction so therefore it doesnt exist without the body.
But if we believe the religious definition only humans have a soul in Christianity, so something must be making new virgin souls for the population increase. Other religions who focus more on reincarnation attribute souls to all life, and it is possible that the total cross species population is a constant so no need for new ones, just remove one species and increase another.
Still think you should make the best of every day, and think one life, live It!"
I agree with your last sentence! I'm doing my best |
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" Other religions who focus more on reincarnation attribute souls to all life, and it is possible that the total cross species population is a constant so no need for new ones, just remove one species and increase another.
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Which makes sense from the point of view that Man (as in the species) is forever increasing and is doing its best to wipe out the rest of life on this planet. |
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"So, bear with me here while I try and get my noggin round this, there's a gap between dying and being reborn but we aren't aware of it, I can understand that. Do souls already exist that haven't been born even once yet or are there some that are created anew? "
As I said, personally I believe we are just a part of the soul of the universe. We come from it and go back to it.
But those who see things in a more materialist light fail to see that reincarnation is the logical outcome of that. This view sees our consciousness as just the product of neurological processes. A whole bunch of atoms have got together to do a certain thing and that's resulted in our existence. When we die the atoms disband and we stop existing. What they fail to appreciate is that from that moment onwards we would cease to experience time. Our "soul" wouldn't exist. Just as neither would any other souls of the dead or yet to be born. Instead those atoms would just wander off and do their own thing.
...but after a mind boggling amount of time had passed the same conditions would come about by which sets of atoms would jiggle about in the same way as to produce, yet again, the experience of you existing. And you'd be reborn. But having experienced no time passing in between you'd simply move straight from the moment of death to birth without any awareness of the gap between. That's the logical outcome of a materialist view that the soul doesn't exist and doesn't continue after death. Non existence forever more, statistically speaking, given space and time are infinite, simply isn't an option |
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By (user no longer on site)
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Sorry to hear,
I've always believed in a 'something'..I tried my best to understand quantum physics etc etc.
I lost my sister in May, so I'm not long after dealing with the loss...
I know for a fact, we do live in a universe that basically has components that make us still part of the universe when we die..we could go all existential and speak more on this..
BUT..the notions of life after death, appear to be mostly from religious leanings..which I can never adhere to.
believe what you want, if it makes it feel easier, however there is nothing that can be evidenced correctly and this is when we question those shills and charlatans who profit from other peoples emotions i.e "Is there someone who has a brother John in the room?"..aye those cunts. |
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"space and time are infinite, simply isn't an option "
Space may or may not be infinite, it's pretty big, but we can't see if it is actually infinite or not.
Time doesn't actually exist, it is a human measurement that has less relevance in the universe than a 30cm ruler. |
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"personally I don't believe in the soul, I think it is a bio chemical reaction so therefore it doesnt exist without the body."
This is an example of a statement that leads logically to reincarnation. If the above is the case then reincarnation is a logical certainty. People with this view rarely have the insight to have grasped this, imagining instead that time will roll on forever more for a long eternity without them. It won't. It'll pass imperceptibly until they occur again |
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"space and time are infinite, simply isn't an option
Space may or may not be infinite, it's pretty big, but we can't see if it is actually infinite or not.
Time doesn't actually exist, it is a human measurement that has less relevance in the universe than a 30cm ruler. "
You know you're on a hiding to nothing when you're having to suggest space has an edge and time doesn't pass in order to sustain your beliefs 
Just follow the logical rabbit hole and accept whatever comes from it... no matter how uncomfortable it may be to you personally |
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"I read something on P's book of face a while back and the gist of it was... The bright light at the end of the tunnel that people say they've seen when they've died (but been brought back to life) is the first light that the baby sees when it is being born.
It always amuses me about how people who say there's nothing after death always leave one thing out... time. In their minds you die and then the endless expanse of time carries on without you. Yet, in truth, if the soul really doesn't persist, then you would stop experiencing time immediately upon death. The vastest expanse of time could pass but you wouldn't experience it. Big bang after Big bang. Universe followed by heat death followed by universe followed by heat death. Onward for an absurdly long period of time... all passed without you being in any way aware of their passing. Until the absolutely implausible occurred again, as it will, and the forces that brought you into being bring you into being again. And you begin to exist again.
To you the gap between dieing and being reborn would pass utterly imperceptibly. You would simply seemlessly pass from death to birth
You believe in reincarnation? I find the concept interesting but can't get past wondering where all the souls that haven't existed before are.
How many souls can you fit in a pint glass? 1? 100? 100000? 1000000000000? Whether souls have any physical attributes or not, it's unlikely that they follow the same laws of scale and mechanics of the rest of the physical universe.
I don't "believe" in reincarnation. If nothing exists after death reincarnation is a logical certainty. That's all. Personally, I agree with a previous poster that our experience continues after death but we become absorbed back into the living universe
Sorry... Should've made it clear that all the souls who haven't existed yet could possibly fit on the head of a pin. Or smaller. We don't know?
The soul is energy & energy cannot be created, only borrowed from somewhere else. We are all just energy borrowed from the universe & when our bodies die we have to give that energy back.
Energy has mass so what's the weight of a soul .Can we measure the difference before death and after.
Energy has no mass! Energy gives the atoms that make up everything in the known universe it's mass & that same energy field that creates the stars, the planets, the trees, the ants & everything in between is the same field of energy that creates us. All the souls throughout the universe are all part of that one singular energy field. We are all one with the universe. We all are the universe!"
One little problem with that is Albert Einstein wouldn't agree because E = Mc2
In physics, mass–energy equivalence states that anything having mass has an equivalent amount of energy and vice versa. |
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"space and time are infinite, simply isn't an option
Space may or may not be infinite, it's pretty big, but we can't see if it is actually infinite or not.
Time doesn't actually exist, it is a human measurement that has less relevance in the universe than a 30cm ruler.
You know you're on a hiding to nothing when you're having to suggest space has an edge and time doesn't pass in order to sustain your beliefs
Just follow the logical rabbit hole and accept whatever comes from it... no matter how uncomfortable it may be to you personally "
Thing is you can't say space doesn't have an edge, I don't think it does but it may, it is possible and evidenced in many macro examples.
Time is however most definitely relative. And does not exist without very strict parameters to measure it from.
That's why Sunday afternoons are infinitely long for most 10 year olds. |
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"space and time are infinite, simply isn't an option
Space may or may not be infinite, it's pretty big, but we can't see if it is actually infinite or not.
Time doesn't actually exist, it is a human measurement that has less relevance in the universe than a 30cm ruler.
You know you're on a hiding to nothing when you're having to suggest space has an edge and time doesn't pass in order to sustain your beliefs
Just follow the logical rabbit hole and accept whatever comes from it... no matter how uncomfortable it may be to you personally
Thing is you can't say space doesn't have an edge, I don't think it does but it may, it is possible and evidenced in many macro examples.
Time is however most definitely relative. And does not exist without very strict parameters to measure it from.
That's why Sunday afternoons are infinitely long for most 10 year olds."
Whilst I'm more than happy to concede that the experience of time would cease to exist if we ceased to exist (indeed that's the basis for my argument for reincarnation), you surely can't be saying that if no living things existed events wouldn't occur and all the many clocks in the universe would stop ticking? Time maybe relative. But it passes nonetheless...
...and it's infinite. Once you've accepted that, it doesn't make an enormous difference if space is also infinite or not. Shaken enough times a finite jar of marbles will eventually reconfigure into the exact condition you found it in when you first picked it up. And if our consciousness is merely the result of bio-chemical reactions and space is infinite then the odds of those same chemicals kicking off in the same way somewhere else only increase.
In short, the materialist must believe in reincarnation because the odds of the rest of time passing without you coming into existence again are almost non-existent.
But I'm not a materialist |
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"Shaken enough times a finite jar of marbles will eventually reconfigure into the exact condition you found it in when you first picked it up. And if our consciousness is merely the result of bio-chemical reactions and space is infinite then the odds of those same chemicals kicking off in the same way somewhere else only increase.
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I am enjoying the debate, neither of us can be definitively right or wrong, and my base believe is there is no soul to pass into the universe, so finite or infinite are irrelevant.
However expanding on your jar of marbles. Say we take a handful of sand on a beach, which is obviously finite but larger than a jar of marbles. and the number of grains plus their configuration = a soul.
We then toss them into the wind effectively scattering them to the universe. Where the motion of the sea and interaction with other objects will reshape them. How much infinity of time would you need for the same handful of grains to take the same configuration?
I don't think it would ever happen, and even if it did the corners won't fit together the same.
Alternatively if we take the soul to be 1 grain of sand, or 1 atom, or marble. Then reuse and essentially being similar become possible (though even diamonds get reshaped)
I like the aid of dealing with loss, an afterlife theory brings. But I don't really buy into it.
I also like to wonder if space is infinite or if the universe is just a marble carried in a leather bag full of marbles by a great traveller.
Then I like sex and vodka, sunshine and rain. And forget all the existential and concentrate on the moment in space and time that is actually relevant |
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Latest scientific discoveries show that there are hundreds of billions of galaxies each containing hundreds of billions of stars. If our whole solar system disappeared today the Universe would carry on unaffected.If we are so insignificant why should it be so essential that each of us as individual humans should have an afterlife? I realise that there are counter arguments including the question " in that case why has the universe produced creatures that are conscious about the universe." There are more things in heaven and earth than are dreamt of.....etc |
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"I am enjoying the debate, neither of us can be definitively right or wrong, and my base believe is there is no soul to pass into the universe, so finite or infinite are irrelevant."
Me too We can state with certainty that time can't stop. So time is endless. Given this, regardless of whether the universe is infinite or not, if you only exist as a conscious being due to an extremely rare alignment of physical conditions, we can state with certainty that those conditions will eventually repeat.
As for your belief that there is no soul, it's irrelevant as, to you, your existence would continue completely unperturbed from the moment you died to the moment you were reborn without any comprehension of the vast amount of time that passed in between. So the experience would be exactly the same as if you did have a soul and you were being endlessly reborn into a world much like this as a person much like yourself. Which, btw, is my idea of hell.
"However expanding on your jar of marbles. Say we take a handful of sand on a beach, which is obviously finite but larger than a jar of marbles. and the number of grains plus their configuration = a soul.
We then toss them into the wind effectively scattering them to the universe. Where the motion of the sea and interaction with other objects will reshape them. How much infinity of time would you need for the same handful of grains to take the same configuration?
I don't think it would ever happen, and even if it did the corners won't fit together the same."
Just as people who don't get evolution theory because they haven't grasped the vast amount of time it took place over, so you haven't grasped the vast amount of time infinity covers. Even if your existence was reliant on the meeting of only two atoms in an infinite sea of other atoms, if time is infinite, as it is, those two atoms will eventually meet again. That's how big infinity is.
But materialisms odds of leading to reincarnation are far greater than that. To the materialist there is nothing particularly unique to us. Thus it is eminently possible that right now a similar configuration of atoms on some distant planet has brought a person just like you into being. You are, after all, merely the result of a set of physical conditions. In a super vast or infinite cosmos it is highly likely that those conditions will repeat.
No matter how you look at it the bleak materialist view that there's no soul and that when we die we simply stop existing leads conclusively to reincarnation. To try to argue that the physical conditions which caused you to come into being will never ever again occur throughout the vast wastes of time and space is romantic nonsense that goes against both the statistical odds and succumbs to pre-copernican style thinking that renders yourself, this particular incarnation, somehow special. |
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Space, time and infinity fascinate me and drive me crazy too.
What I find interesting is the Schrödinger idea that a quantum particle can be in two places at once until it is observed. So then, if it can be in two places at once, one assumes it can be in infinite places at once until it is observed.
This suggests to me that this thing we call a universe could infact just be one infinitesimal quantum particle/wavical that becomes the infinite universe by being everywhere at once.
On that basis everything including every person is made up of just a single quantum!  We are all one and the time will come when you see we're all one and life flows on within you and without you.
But does that mean when this single particle/wavical is observed nothing else but it exists? If this is the case can we stop looking please because if we see it we might all disappear |
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"Even if your existence was reliant on the meeting of only two atoms in an infinite sea of other atoms, if time is infinite, as it is, those two atoms will eventually meet again. That's how big infinity is."
Actually I take that back. Two atoms in an infinite sea of atoms jostling around over an infinite period of time. That's a headfuck. Who knows what the chances of them ever bumping into each other again is.  Where's an Indian savant mathematician when you need one? |
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"Just as people who don't get those two atoms will eventually meet again. That's how big infinity is. "
Not if either or both of those atoms no longer exist they won't, quantity of time is irrelevant. 2 similar atoms may make a similar structure, that is not reincarnation though.
I get what you are saying about the ability to grasp time, I think humans can cope with about 100 years before everything gets abstract. I remember being awestruck in a museum in Germany which showed the timeline for known Neanderthal humans against modern humans, they were here at least 25 times longer than we have been so far. And they were not the first humans!
I do hope that if there is an identical copy of me somewhere in the universe, we never meet... I would probably dislike him |
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"I know stupid question, recently I have known I had cancer, before the actual diagnosis and prognosis, I assumed the worst and came to terms with the thought of dying, not existing anymore. So as now I know I am not going to die from cancer yet!! My thoughts are this...
Is life the end of our journey, or the the begging? Does something catty on after our bodies expire?"
We are made up of atoms and when we die those atoms move.
science fact.
non science fact.
I am a spiritualist and believe in life after death. |
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The first law of thermodynamics, also known as Law of Conservation of Energy, states that energy can neither be created nor destroyed; energy can only be transferred or changed from one form to another
You'll be recycled "
Your on a higher level my friend everthing in life is recycled. |
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"We are made up of atoms and when we die those atoms move.
science fact.
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Well not really, the LHC over in Switzerland has shown that matter is pretty unstable, atoms don't have to stay around forever. Plus we are in a large part water so will probably be reincarnated as a puddle somewhere.
As for the spiritualist bit, that is religion so I am unqualified to comment |
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I stumbled across this quote on fb today, I rather like it:
”The moment you start watching the thinker, a higher level of consciousness becomes activated. You then begin to realize that there is a vast realm of intelligence beyond thought, that thought is only a tiny aspect of that intelligence. You also realize that all the things that truly matter – beauty, love, creativity, joy, inner peace – arise from beyond the mind. You begin to awaken."
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Personal opinion. We are animals , like every other rlkvinf organism not just life but perpetuation of life is the goal, evolution is a process of adaption attempting to maintain existence.
All creatures, lime humans are gene carriers for future generations.
That's it .
In my opinion.
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The first law of thermodynamics, also known as Law of Conservation of Energy, states that energy can neither be created nor destroyed; energy can only be transferred or changed from one form to another
You'll be recycled "
Now how you will be recycled you will never know. Could return as blue bottle fly, a panther, a tree, or fertiliser for the grass so a moo coo can eat ya..
Who knows.
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The first law of thermodynamics, also known as Law of Conservation of Energy, states that energy can neither be created nor destroyed; energy can only be transferred or changed from one form to another
You'll be recycled
Now how you will be recycled you will never know. Could return as blue bottle fly, a panther, a tree, or fertiliser for the grass so a moo coo can eat ya..
Who knows.
Mistress Amelia x "
Or a rutting stag |
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I believe our souls reincarnate into another human (newborn) we are here to become "god" like and until lessons are learnt we come back when they are all learned and we are a good soul we become a angel looking down on others |
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"Personal opinion. We are animals , like every other rlkvinf organism not just life but perpetuation of life is the goal, evolution is a process of adaption attempting to maintain existence.
All creatures, lime humans are gene carriers for future generations.
That's it .
In my opinion."
I think there's a deeper intelligence at work than that. Genes are just recipe books. It takes an array of agents in the living cell to receive commands, check them by the recipe, amplify and suppress different parts of that code and the response, then understand what the code asks to be done next and pass those instructions onto other agents to then act out those instructions.
This is life. It is a wealth of mysteriously animated and intelligent molecules. To my mind it is unlikely that they themselves are actually alive. More that life itself is an invisible agency which acts first upon the smallest of things like atoms and molecules, then builds its influence up from there until it is weilding cells, organs, brains, and whole bodies.
I think we're like a dust devil. When the dust dissipates the material parts of the column are dispersed into the landscape. But the wind which made and animated it remains the same as it did before, during, and after. |
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I don't see the likelihood of any personal continuation of anything resembling life or consciousness after our brain dies. It doesn't seem that if we are shaped and conscious because of our brain, that when it's gone, so are we.
I've no religious beliefs to support an alternative reality to this nor aware of any evidence pointing otherwise. |
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People say there is light at the end of the tunnel.
What if that tunnel is a passing from the end of one world to the beginning of another, what if that light is the start of a new life??
So my theory is, if you depart this world into the tunnel, then the light at the other end must be the delivery room in a hospital or wherever the case maybe, where you start a new life from birth!!
Looking at it this way, it doesn't seem to negative on any form of death or dying.
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"People say there is light at the end of the tunnel.
What if that tunnel is a passing from the end of one world to the beginning of another, what if that light is the start of a new life??
So my theory is, if you depart this world into the tunnel, then the light at the other end must be the delivery room in a hospital or wherever the case maybe, where you start a new life from birth!!
Looking at it this way, it doesn't seem to negative on any form of death or dying.
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Nope, think you will find that light at the end of the tunnel is a fast approaching train |
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One thing you can gaureentee is that your actions and interactions in the here and now affect the world around you even after you dead. So don't concern yourself with wether or not an afterlife exists. Live in the here and now and try to make the world a better place now. Let your legacy and the people you influence go forward after death. Your legacy to the world is the only real after life you garentee. |
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