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From the previous thread - Chanelle congrats on the weight loss. NICE recommend a loss of 10% of bodyweight, but acknowledges even 3% has health benefits (re obese weight).
Penny, you're spot on re clothes' size, although the average dress size is 16, height is important. For my height i should be a 12. I'm a fat 14.
Kay - you said about overeating and underactivity, i think you added poor food choices. Yes it's possibly the biggest factor - it's resolution isn't so simple.
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"Wether people want to change or not, wether it's simply over eating or combined with some other endocrine or metabolism issue people need to accept they're fat and get over the fact that people will call them fat. Not in a nasty way but in a factual way. " Sadly changing the adjective of fat to a noun such as fatties can be seen as nasty. I can self label myself as a fatty, and it doesn't bother me if others on here do so - but people have different mindsets. | |||
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"Wether people want to change or not, wether it's simply over eating or combined with some other endocrine or metabolism issue people need to accept they're fat and get over the fact that people will call them fat. Not in a nasty way but in a factual way. " 
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"To the new question Considering the average size is increasing and the number of people that are obese is increasing. I’d guess that’s a no. To those that have made big changes, well done. Not on losing weight, but on taking control and finding ways to make a healthier lifestyle benefit you." The average dress size has gone up from 12 to 16 in roughly a 20 year period, so the change has been gradual. Averages have sadly normalized the bigger body. Which may be why there is such repulsion at the BMI categories - love handles and big bellies are an everyday sight. | |||
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"Preferably ignoring the issue of BMI and judgement calls of previous posters (though i am happy to correct falsehoods but not repeatedly), can we have what i originally asked for in the original thread? I want to know how professionals can approach obese people (not those with a greater muscle mass than the average folk), without appearing judgemental. Also, how much, if at all, is your stature part of your identity? A new question: Do any of you obese people NOT wish to change your current lifestyle, and if so why?" New question answer- no I don't want to change. I love food more than I love diets. As for the other question, I don't think healthcare professionals can ever come across as non-judgemental. No matter what they say, at least one person will be offended. Perhaps the answer is to stop worrying about appearing to be judgemental and just spell it out for people in real terms. Diabetes, heart disease, all the risks. They already deny operations for some people that are overweight due to risks with anaesthetic. | |||
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"Ok here goes, I was much bigger than I am, a mix of poor food choices, lack of exercise and an ex that was a feeder and an abusive toxic relationship. 6 years ago I decided to do something about it. I went to my gp referred to the dietician and the gym, but ultimately my goal was to go forward with a gastric bypass. I did everything they said and jumped through all the hoops and finally got my op 4 years ago. Despite what people think it’s not the miracle cure, it’s another tool that still requires work. Yes I’ve lost weight yo still have more to lose. My dietician was supportive and non judgmental, recognising that it’s more than food choices needing addressing. Being blunt isn’t an approach that would have worked with me, I knew I was fat, I wanted someone to ask me how they could help not judge. I think that’s what most people want, help. And someone who builds their confidence and applauds what to some is a small step but to the patient is a very significant life event. X " Thank you for sharing. I was wondering if someone would mention a relationship where there was a feeder. It must have been an extreme hurdle to overcome. | |||
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"A new question: Do any of you obese people NOT wish to change your current lifestyle, and if so why?" My mother in law was told many years ago that if she didn’t lose weight, her knees wouldn’t be able to hold her weight and would be fucked. She was offered loads of help with losing weight, all of which she accepted, but unless she was at the hospital with someone, she made absolutely no effort at all to lose weight. No form of exercise at all, wouldn’t even walk to the bus stop to get a bus to work, she would order a taxi to get to the bus stop. Ate so much all the time. And yep, her knees can’t carry her. She also now has a disabled pass as she can’t get out of her car as she’s too fat. It’s people like that, that wind me up. She was told years and years ago, repeatedly, that she will be in harms way if she doesn’t lose some weight. And she made absolutely no effort on her part. When me and my husband moved out when I was seventeen, they bought a dog because it would ‘encourage her to walk it’. She has walked it maybe a handful of times. My husband’s father now does night shifts at work so he can take the dog for a big walk twice a day before work. His mother works mornings, so his dad can take her to and from work, so she doesn’t have to walk at all. It winds my husband up too. And his brother is going down the exact same road. My husband is extremely skinny, his father is slightly over weight, and his mother and brother are obese. It’s sad, because one day it will probably kill her. She has repeatedly said she doesn’t have the ‘will power’ to lose weight, which I get to a degree, but there’s only so much of that you can understand | |||
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"It's a tough one, I've been the same weight for over 20 years and have never had any recommendations to lose weight, I walk over 10,000 steps at work, I can cycle 25 miles as a joy ride, I can breast stroke a mile in 50 mins, my cholesterol is less than 5 and I don't have high blood pressure of and signs of diabetes, I cook all our food and maybe have a take away twice a month and I eat well, to all intents I am healthy apart from the fact the weight never changes "To some this will sound impossible, but it's not. I only started to lose weight by minimising my starchy carbs to a fibrous breakfast, raising protein levels and removing fruit juices from my diet. | |||
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"Preferably ignoring the issue of BMI and judgement calls of previous posters (though i am happy to correct falsehoods but not repeatedly), can we have what i originally asked for in the original thread? I want to know how professionals can approach obese people (not those with a greater muscle mass than the average folk), without appearing judgemental. Also, how much, if at all, is your stature part of your identity? A new question: Do any of you obese people NOT wish to change your current lifestyle, and if so why? New question answer- no I don't want to change. I love food more than I love diets. As for the other question, I don't think healthcare professionals can ever come across as non-judgemental. No matter what they say, at least one person will be offended. Perhaps the answer is to stop worrying about appearing to be judgemental and just spell it out for people in real terms. Diabetes, heart disease, all the risks. They already deny operations for some people that are overweight due to risks with anaesthetic. " hence why people are told to lose weight before the op goes ahead. | |||
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"It's a tough one, I've been the same weight for over 20 years and have never had any recommendations to lose weight, I walk over 10,000 steps at work, I can cycle 25 miles as a joy ride, I can breast stroke a mile in 50 mins, my cholesterol is less than 5 and I don't have high blood pressure of and signs of diabetes, I cook all our food and maybe have a take away twice a month and I eat well, to all intents I am healthy apart from the fact the weight never changes
To some this will sound impossible, but it's not. I only started to lose weight by minimising my starchy carbs to a fibrous breakfast, raising protein levels and removing fruit juices from my diet."I rarely eat bread/pasta or potatoes and I use nut based milk products, like I say it's a tricky one  | |||
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"Ok here goes, I was much bigger than I am, a mix of poor food choices, lack of exercise and an ex that was a feeder and an abusive toxic relationship. 6 years ago I decided to do something about it. I went to my gp referred to the dietician and the gym, but ultimately my goal was to go forward with a gastric bypass. I did everything they said and jumped through all the hoops and finally got my op 4 years ago. Despite what people think it’s not the miracle cure, it’s another tool that still requires work. Yes I’ve lost weight yo still have more to lose. My dietician was supportive and non judgmental, recognising that it’s more than food choices needing addressing. Being blunt isn’t an approach that would have worked with me, I knew I was fat, I wanted someone to ask me how they could help not judge. I think that’s what most people want, help. And someone who builds their confidence and applauds what to some is a small step but to the patient is a very significant life event. X Thank you for sharing. I was wondering if someone would mention a relationship where there was a feeder. It must have been an extreme hurdle to overcome." It was, as feeding was just one small aspect of the abuse. He hated it when I started to take back control of myself and I do think that started the end of our relationship. X | |||
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"I have been overweight, I used to binge eat every day (I still do sometimes) because I felt so low and worthless due to many things. But I was so unfit and healthy and hated myself, so I slowly but surely started eating better, started doing boxing classes that my dad runs and just generally moving more. I’ve lost a few stone so far " For some people, food is the only control they have in life. | |||
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"A new question: Do any of you obese people NOT wish to change your current lifestyle, and if so why? My mother in law was told many years ago that if she didn’t lose weight, her knees wouldn’t be able to hold her weight and would be fucked. She was offered loads of help with losing weight, all of which she accepted, but unless she was at the hospital with someone, she made absolutely no effort at all to lose weight. No form of exercise at all, wouldn’t even walk to the bus stop to get a bus to work, she would order a taxi to get to the bus stop. Ate so much all the time. And yep, her knees can’t carry her. She also now has a disabled pass as she can’t get out of her car as she’s too fat. It’s people like that, that wind me up. She was told years and years ago, repeatedly, that she will be in harms way if she doesn’t lose some weight. And she made absolutely no effort on her part. When me and my husband moved out when I was seventeen, they bought a dog because it would ‘encourage her to walk it’. She has walked it maybe a handful of times. My husband’s father now does night shifts at work so he can take the dog for a big walk twice a day before work. His mother works mornings, so his dad can take her to and from work, so she doesn’t have to walk at all. It winds my husband up too. And his brother is going down the exact same road. My husband is extremely skinny, his father is slightly over weight, and his mother and brother are obese. It’s sad, because one day it will probably kill her. She has repeatedly said she doesn’t have the ‘will power’ to lose weight, which I get to a degree, but there’s only so much of that you can understand " I wonder if cognitive behavioral therapy would help, but being a mental health issue it's probably not available. | |||
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"To the new question Considering the average size is increasing and the number of people that are obese is increasing. I’d guess that’s a no. To those that have made big changes, well done. Not on losing weight, but on taking control and finding ways to make a healthier lifestyle benefit you. The average dress size has gone up from 12 to 16 in roughly a 20 year period, so the change has been gradual. Averages have sadly normalized the bigger body. Which may be why there is such repulsion at the BMI categories - love handles and big bellies are an everyday sight." I think that’s a huge problem Obesity has been normalised Nobody that’s told by a healthcare professional that they are obese gives a shit, because all they really think is ‘I’m the same as all my mates’, and ‘am i really expected to do all that exercise that all my mates can’t be arsed to do, and eat vegetables and fruit whilst my mates are eating pies and pizza’ | |||
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"Ok here goes, I was much bigger than I am, a mix of poor food choices, lack of exercise and an ex that was a feeder and an abusive toxic relationship. 6 years ago I decided to do something about it. I went to my gp referred to the dietician and the gym, but ultimately my goal was to go forward with a gastric bypass. I did everything they said and jumped through all the hoops and finally got my op 4 years ago. Despite what people think it’s not the miracle cure, it’s another tool that still requires work. Yes I’ve lost weight yo still have more to lose. My dietician was supportive and non judgmental, recognising that it’s more than food choices needing addressing. Being blunt isn’t an approach that would have worked with me, I knew I was fat, I wanted someone to ask me how they could help not judge. I think that’s what most people want, help. And someone who builds their confidence and applauds what to some is a small step but to the patient is a very significant life event. X Thank you for sharing. I was wondering if someone would mention a relationship where there was a feeder. It must have been an extreme hurdle to overcome. It was, as feeding was just one small aspect of the abuse. He hated it when I started to take back control of myself and I do think that started the end of our relationship. X " Well done. | |||
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"It's a tough one, I've been the same weight for over 20 years and have never had any recommendations to lose weight, I walk over 10,000 steps at work, I can cycle 25 miles as a joy ride, I can breast stroke a mile in 50 mins, my cholesterol is less than 5 and I don't have high blood pressure of and signs of diabetes, I cook all our food and maybe have a take away twice a month and I eat well, to all intents I am healthy apart from the fact the weight never changes
To some this will sound impossible, but it's not. I only started to lose weight by minimising my starchy carbs to a fibrous breakfast, raising protein levels and removing fruit juices from my diet.
I rarely eat bread/pasta or potatoes and I use nut based milk products, like I say it's a tricky one "In the local gym i had an instructor who told me i should be eating starchy carbs - of course she was wrong . | |||
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"Preferably ignoring the issue of BMI and judgement calls of previous posters (though i am happy to correct falsehoods but not repeatedly), can we have what i originally asked for in the original thread? I want to know how professionals can approach obese people (not those with a greater muscle mass than the average folk), without appearing judgemental. Also, how much, if at all, is your stature part of your identity? A new question: Do any of you obese people NOT wish to change your current lifestyle, and if so why? New question answer- no I don't want to change. I love food more than I love diets. As for the other question, I don't think healthcare professionals can ever come across as non-judgemental. No matter what they say, at least one person will be offended. Perhaps the answer is to stop worrying about appearing to be judgemental and just spell it out for people in real terms. Diabetes, heart disease, all the risks. They already deny operations for some people that are overweight due to risks with anaesthetic. " Diet is simply a name for how/what you eat. But i understand the sentiment. At present the (NHS) view is to educate people and let them make an informed decision, but that goes for anything such as medication compliance, disease/condition treatment/management adherence. | |||
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"May I ask how exactly professionals come across as judgemental?" Ok then  | |||
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"Obesity is more than just calories in and calories out - I would agree that it is a disease. I have a horrible relationship with food. My comfort eating means that I will either binge and eat anything crap (tubes of pringles, cakes, biscuits, chocolate) or I will literally eat nothing. In January, I was 154 pounds (11 stone exactly BMI 27.2). My work colleagues couldn't believe that I was overweight. I was a 10-12 dress size. I am now 125 pounds (8 stone 13 BMI 22.1) which is a size 8. The lower end of my BMI is 7 stone 6 which I predict would make me a size 4. I've already been told by my work colleagues not to lose any more weight, even though (according to the bmi scale) I still can and be healthy. Sorry to bring BMI back into it OP, I didn't get a chance to comment on the last post. As to your questions OP, how a health care professional raises this with their patient is purely on a case by case basis. What works for one patient, will not work for another patient. It would even depend day by day." I hope you have a healthier relationship with food now. You're spot on with regards to tailoring an approach (as i do on a health promotion/"every contact counts" basis). | |||
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"May I ask how exactly professionals come across as judgemental? Ok then "That is for patients to answer . | |||
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"May I ask how exactly professionals come across as judgemental? Ok then
That is for patients to answer . "I thought there might be some patients here, hence why I asked the question. | |||
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"Also, another reason why it's not a simple case of calories in and calories out. You can eat 1500 calories of carbohydrate and fat which can be converted to fat in the body, or 1500 calories of a "balanced" diet and you get all the nutrients that your body requires." Exactly. And what a balanced diet is for one person, may not be suitable for another (metabolic dysfunctions, for example). | |||
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"May I ask how exactly professionals come across as judgemental? Ok then
That is for patients to answer .
I thought there might be some patients here, hence why I asked the question."I know, i just didn't want to ignore you. In the previous thread someone felt patronised and disbelieved regarding a healthy diet. | |||
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"OP, I hope you don't mind me asking this question (and this is to everyone, not just you). If obesity is not a disease and is just a case of exercising more and calorie counting, are things like anorexia and bulimia illnesses? Or can they just be solved just by telling the patient to eat more and exercise less? If they are an illness, why is obesity not seen the same way?" In it's simplest form, obesity is a category of weight: Under, average, overweight and three stages of obesity (from obese to morbidly obese). | |||
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"OP, I hope you don't mind me asking this question (and this is to everyone, not just you). If obesity is not a disease and is just a case of exercising more and calorie counting, are things like anorexia and bulimia illnesses? Or can they just be solved just by telling the patient to eat more and exercise less? If they are an illness, why is obesity not seen the same way?" Should obesity be classified as a disease and why? Yes, in our view it should be recognised as a chronic relapsing disease. A number of organisations (e.g. World Health Organisation (WHO, 1997), World Obesity Federation (Bray et al, 2017)), and countries (e.g. Japan (Kanazawa et al, 2005), Portugal (Serviço Nacional de Saudé, 2004), Scotland (SIGN, 2010), America (AMA, 2013), Canada (CMA, 2015), Brazil (Ministerio Da Saúde, 2006)) already recognise obesity as a disease. The British Dietetic Association is currently in the process of ratifying a Position Statement from the Obesity Recognition Steering Group in the UK to the effect that obesity should be classified as a disease in its own right. (2018). | |||
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"I can’t comment on this thread cause I’m a builder. " ? Eh | |||
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"Before I started at the gym in July my bmi was 31.9, it is now down to 30.2, in just 8 weeks. It has been hard work and I just completed my first 5km this morning. Aching now but I done it in 32 mins and 10 secs. Not bad for a bmi obese lad. The least I have have been is a bmi of 27 " I must admit i prefer weights to a cardio workout | |||
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"Disease a disorder of structure or function in a human, animal, or plant, especially one that produces specific symptoms or that affects a specific location and is not simply a direct result of physical injury. I can get in some cases where it would fit but not all. What would classing it as a disease achieve? " The BDA could enlighten you, i quoted a paragraph of theirs. | |||
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"I can’t comment on this thread cause I’m a builder. ? Eh " See the last obesity thread for reference. | |||
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"Disease a disorder of structure or function in a human, animal, or plant, especially one that produces specific symptoms or that affects a specific location and is not simply a direct result of physical injury. I can get in some cases where it would fit but not all. What would classing it as a disease achieve? The BDA could enlighten you, i quoted a paragraph of theirs. " I do believe it would reduce the stigma and vulnerabilities obese people may face, hence drop their defenses and seek/accept help. | |||
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"OP, I hope you don't mind me asking this question (and this is to everyone, not just you). If obesity is not a disease and is just a case of exercising more and calorie counting, are things like anorexia and bulimia illnesses? Or can they just be solved just by telling the patient to eat more and exercise less? If they are an illness, why is obesity not seen the same way?" Anirexia and bulimia are seen as a mental illness , not so much a physical illness . Obesity is seen as a self inflicted physical illness until it gets so bad , and then it becomes a mental illness too for a few , at least I think that’s how it is but I may be wrong . The fact is that obesity is as much an illness as anorexia and bulimia , and liver disease from alcohol consumption and lung or heart disease from smoking . It’s not till it hits you hard that you do anything about it . I smoked 40 a day for over thirty years , had a heart attack this past January , and gave up . I knew I was doing myself no good by smoking so much , just as someone who over eats knows they are doing themselves no good . Since giving up I’ve put some weight on , not too much but a bit and it’s sometimes hard being human . We seem to be wired to need some kind of addiction . | |||
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"OP, I hope you don't mind me asking this question (and this is to everyone, not just you). If obesity is not a disease and is just a case of exercising more and calorie counting, are things like anorexia and bulimia illnesses? Or can they just be solved just by telling the patient to eat more and exercise less? If they are an illness, why is obesity not seen the same way? Anirexia and bulimia are seen as a mental illness , not so much a physical illness . Obesity is seen as a self inflicted physical illness until it gets so bad , and then it becomes a mental illness too for a few , at least I think that’s how it is but I may be wrong . The fact is that obesity is as much an illness as anorexia and bulimia , and liver disease from alcohol consumption and lung or heart disease from smoking . It’s not till it hits you hard that you do anything about it . I smoked 40 a day for over thirty years , had a heart attack this past January , and gave up . I knew I was doing myself no good by smoking so much , just as someone who over eats knows they are doing themselves no good . Since giving up I’ve put some weight on , not too much but a bit and it’s sometimes hard being human . We seem to be wired to need some kind of addiction . " Your last sentence would be an interesting topic on it's own. | |||
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"Before I started at the gym in July my bmi was 31.9, it is now down to 30.2, in just 8 weeks. It has been hard work and I just completed my first 5km this morning. Aching now but I done it in 32 mins and 10 secs. Not bad for a bmi obese lad. The least I have have been is a bmi of 27 I must admit i prefer weights to a cardio workout "I prefer sexercise tbh. Tbh what I forgot to say after my run I cycled for about 8 mins so about 3km, and done some weights as well, not a lot but just 3kg free weights | |||
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"Disease a disorder of structure or function in a human, animal, or plant, especially one that produces specific symptoms or that affects a specific location and is not simply a direct result of physical injury. I can get in some cases where it would fit but not all. What would classing it as a disease achieve? The BDA could enlighten you, i quoted a paragraph of theirs. " Where? | |||
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"Disease a disorder of structure or function in a human, animal, or plant, especially one that produces specific symptoms or that affects a specific location and is not simply a direct result of physical injury. I can get in some cases where it would fit but not all. What would classing it as a disease achieve? The BDA could enlighten you, i quoted a paragraph of theirs. Where? " A few posts up. | |||
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"Disease a disorder of structure or function in a human, animal, or plant, especially one that produces specific symptoms or that affects a specific location and is not simply a direct result of physical injury. I can get in some cases where it would fit but not all. What would classing it as a disease achieve? The BDA could enlighten you, i quoted a paragraph of theirs. Where? A few posts up." Sorry didn’t see doesn’t really explain why though. No worries. | |||
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"Disease a disorder of structure or function in a human, animal, or plant, especially one that produces specific symptoms or that affects a specific location and is not simply a direct result of physical injury. I can get in some cases where it would fit but not all. What would classing it as a disease achieve? The BDA could enlighten you, i quoted a paragraph of theirs. Where? A few posts up. Sorry didn’t see doesn’t really explain why though. No worries. " The quote wasn't meant to, but you could have c&p it into google to get the pdf, which possibly could have | |||
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"It is not metabolic,the way the human body works is the same as it always was.What is different is an abundance of cheap food and change in attitudes and self control which also makes its presence felt in other facets of life today." Are you trying to imply metabolism doesn't exist? Or that we all have the same metabolism? Or that our metabolic rate is a constant from the day we are born? How exactly do you think the body utilises the calories from gained from food? | |||
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"I have been told to put as much weight on as I can!!!! Before radiotherapy starts" For some it's as hard to put the weight on ass it is for others to lose it. | |||
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"It is not metabolic,the way the human body works is the same as it always was.What is different is an abundance of cheap food and change in attitudes and self control which also makes its presence felt in other facets of life today." If all bodies work the same why can my sister possible weight eating lots of carbs such as pasta and I can't. You have no clue. | |||
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"Surely the food industry is partly responsible. It only seems to be a fairly recent issue. " The food industry know they put too much sugar, salt and fat in our foods. They know it. Until the Government are willing to tax them sufficiently, nothing will change. At the moment they are happy to tax us a few extra pence on a sugary drink but not the producers of the sugary products. How ridiculous is that? It’s a money making machine. We don’t need the ingredients in the quantities they use. You could reduce sugar in drinks by half and nobody would know and even if they did they would get used to it soon enough. They need to take responsibility as well in my opinion. | |||
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"I have been told to put as much weight on as I can!!!! Before radiotherapy starts" Good luck with your treatment. | |||
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"OP, I hope you don't mind me asking this question (and this is to everyone, not just you). If obesity is not a disease and is just a case of exercising more and calorie counting, are things like anorexia and bulimia illnesses? Or can they just be solved just by telling the patient to eat more and exercise less? If they are an illness, why is obesity not seen the same way? Anirexia and bulimia are seen as a mental illness , not so much a physical illness . Obesity is seen as a self inflicted physical illness until it gets so bad , and then it becomes a mental illness too for a few , at least I think that’s how it is but I may be wrong . The fact is that obesity is as much an illness as anorexia and bulimia , and liver disease from alcohol consumption and lung or heart disease from smoking . It’s not till it hits you hard that you do anything about it . I smoked 40 a day for over thirty years , had a heart attack this past January , and gave up . I knew I was doing myself no good by smoking so much , just as someone who over eats knows they are doing themselves no good . Since giving up I’ve put some weight on , not too much but a bit and it’s sometimes hard being human . We seem to be wired to need some kind of addiction . " I agree that obesity is a mental illness too, which is why I thought I would put it up as an example. There was a show that I watched about ten (possibly 15) years ago called "Popular". It was set around a bunch of teenagers in High School. One of the main characters suffered from either anorexia or bulimia and was institutionalised to get treatment. In her support group for anorexics/bulimics there was a lad that severely obese. The people in the support group objected to him bring there, but the support worker pointed out that he also has a bad relationship with food, he just deals with it a different way. | |||
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"Surely the food industry is partly responsible. It only seems to be a fairly recent issue. The food industry know they put too much sugar, salt and fat in our foods. They know it. Until the Government are willing to tax them sufficiently, nothing will change. At the moment they are happy to tax us a few extra pence on a sugary drink but not the producers of the sugary products. How ridiculous is that? It’s a money making machine. We don’t need the ingredients in the quantities they use. You could reduce sugar in drinks by half and nobody would know and even if they did they would get used to it soon enough. They need to take responsibility as well in my opinion. " To be fair, taxes rising in the food industry will just increase consumer costs. | |||
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"Surely the food industry is partly responsible. It only seems to be a fairly recent issue. The food industry know they put too much sugar, salt and fat in our foods. They know it. Until the Government are willing to tax them sufficiently, nothing will change. At the moment they are happy to tax us a few extra pence on a sugary drink but not the producers of the sugary products. How ridiculous is that? It’s a money making machine. We don’t need the ingredients in the quantities they use. You could reduce sugar in drinks by half and nobody would know and even if they did they would get used to it soon enough. They need to take responsibility as well in my opinion. To be fair, taxes rising in the food industry will just increase consumer costs. " taxation doesnt work because it doesnt hit the manufacturer, they just pass the cost on to the consumer and because only a few pence per drink or chocolate bar they just pay it. | |||
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"It is not metabolic,the way the human body works is the same as it always was.What is different is an abundance of cheap food and change in attitudes and self control which also makes its presence felt in other facets of life today. If all bodies work the same why can my sister possible weight eating lots of carbs such as pasta and I can't. You have no clue. " I did not say everyone has the same metabolism,the point is that people do not adjust their intake to suit their metabolism and as a society we do not exercise enough. | |||
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"OP, I hope you don't mind me asking this question (and this is to everyone, not just you). If obesity is not a disease and is just a case of exercising more and calorie counting, are things like anorexia and bulimia illnesses? Or can they just be solved just by telling the patient to eat more and exercise less? If they are an illness, why is obesity not seen the same way? Anirexia and bulimia are seen as a mental illness , not so much a physical illness . Obesity is seen as a self inflicted physical illness until it gets so bad , and then it becomes a mental illness too for a few , at least I think that’s how it is but I may be wrong . The fact is that obesity is as much an illness as anorexia and bulimia , and liver disease from alcohol consumption and lung or heart disease from smoking . It’s not till it hits you hard that you do anything about it . I smoked 40 a day for over thirty years , had a heart attack this past January , and gave up . I knew I was doing myself no good by smoking so much , just as someone who over eats knows they are doing themselves no good . Since giving up I’ve put some weight on , not too much but a bit and it’s sometimes hard being human . We seem to be wired to need some kind of addiction . I agree that obesity is a mental illness too, which is why I thought I would put it up as an example. There was a show that I watched about ten (possibly 15) years ago called "Popular". It was set around a bunch of teenagers in High School. One of the main characters suffered from either anorexia or bulimia and was institutionalised to get treatment. In her support group for anorexics/bulimics there was a lad that severely obese. The people in the support group objected to him bring there, but the support worker pointed out that he also has a bad relationship with food, he just deals with it a different way." Underweight is seen as malnourished and has care pathways in the acute sector of the NHS. I believe obesity could also cause malnourishment and should have care pathways in the acute sector, but it is presently seen as a lifestyle choice. | |||
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"It is not metabolic,the way the human body works is the same as it always was.What is different is an abundance of cheap food and change in attitudes and self control which also makes its presence felt in other facets of life today. If all bodies work the same why can my sister possible weight eating lots of carbs such as pasta and I can't. You have no clue. I did not say everyone has the same metabolism,the point is that people do not adjust their intake to suit their metabolism and as a society we do not exercise enough." That doesn't explain your opinion of "it is not metabolic". | |||
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"It's a tough one, I've been the same weight for over 20 years and have never had any recommendations to lose weight, I walk over 10,000 steps at work, I can cycle 25 miles as a joy ride, I can breast stroke a mile in 50 mins, my cholesterol is less than 5 and I don't have high blood pressure of and signs of diabetes, I cook all our food and maybe have a take away twice a month and I eat well, to all intents I am healthy apart from the fact the weight never changes ". maybe try putting less food in your mouth, homemade or otherwise. Never seen images of an underfed African or POW with excess weight... | |||
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"It's a tough one, I've been the same weight for over 20 years and have never had any recommendations to lose weight, I walk over 10,000 steps at work, I can cycle 25 miles as a joy ride, I can breast stroke a mile in 50 mins, my cholesterol is less than 5 and I don't have high blood pressure of and signs of diabetes, I cook all our food and maybe have a take away twice a month and I eat well, to all intents I am healthy apart from the fact the weight never changes . maybe try putting less food in your mouth, homemade or otherwise. Never seen images of an underfed African or POW with excess weight..."Well done on following through on the OP's request not to be judgemental | |||
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"It's a tough one, I've been the same weight for over 20 years and have never had any recommendations to lose weight, I walk over 10,000 steps at work, I can cycle 25 miles as a joy ride, I can breast stroke a mile in 50 mins, my cholesterol is less than 5 and I don't have high blood pressure of and signs of diabetes, I cook all our food and maybe have a take away twice a month and I eat well, to all intents I am healthy apart from the fact the weight never changes . maybe try putting less food in your mouth, homemade or otherwise. Never seen images of an underfed African or POW with excess weight..."You could totally rephrase that and ask about portion sizes as opposed to the assumption of over eating | |||
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"We live a sedentary lifestyle compared to previous generations, with foods that contain high sugar and that are very addictive, basically we’re heading for a human dystopia like in Wall E." Exactly this . We didn’t have a clue about calories , saturated fat , carbohydrates etc..... I chat with people much older than myself at rehab classes , up to 90 years old , and universally they all talk about how they ate seasonal veg , lard and dripping was common , meat , fish and sponge pudding type dessert with custard if they were lucky . Hardly that healthy by today’s standards , but they never had a clue about all the BMI , cholesterol , calories etc.... and the only salad they ate dry rarely was grown on their allotment . Fruit was way harder to find , other than apples , pears and plums which normally made hearty desserts . But everyone took exercise , walked everywhere , rarely drove , didn’t have Telly’s or computers and there’s the difference . A five mile walk wasn’t uncommon . A ten mile cycle just as common . Kids walked to school , often miles away . | |||
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" A new question: Do any of you obese people NOT wish to change your current lifestyle, and if so why?" So, I wanted to make 2018 about me ... I gave my employer six months notice mid 2017 I saved up enough to take 2/3 months off at the start of this year and travel around Started my own business up in late Feb, which, for a fledgling, is going pretty well. I joined Slimming World in Feb I joined a gym in May (and I've actually been enjoying 4 x 1 hour sessions a week ever since) I'm now 3 stone + lighter I've reduced my diabetes mmol from a reading of 75 in February to 39 in July I am now classed as overweight as opposed to obese I've from XXL to M/L in tops I'v gone from a 42 waist to a 36 (or a generous 34) in pants I am, however, struggling with the weight loss Even though I was big before, I was solid / tank like. It suited me in a way. The weight loss I've had has been uneven It has gone from my shoulders, arms & legs but seems stubborn to move from where I wanted it to (sods law eh ?) The end result is that I have less body confidence now than I had before. So despite being undoubtedly healthier physically, the mental 'side effects' of the changes I have made have been quite damaging. I am happy to be healthier, but I am not as happy about being thinner. I am hoping that continued exercise & healthier eating that my currently saggy body (as I see it) will tighten up in parts. Where it doesn't, I'd be quite happy to get rid of it via the surgeons knife if needed. It's a long process I guess - one of balancing expectation with results You can't expect to live an unhealthy life for 47 years and then think it can be undone in 6 months. I just need to remind my brain of that sometimes | |||
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" A new question: Do any of you obese people NOT wish to change your current lifestyle, and if so why? So, I wanted to make 2018 about me ... I gave my employer six months notice mid 2017 I saved up enough to take 2/3 months off at the start of this year and travel around Started my own business up in late Feb, which, for a fledgling, is going pretty well. I joined Slimming World in Feb I joined a gym in May (and I've actually been enjoying 4 x 1 hour sessions a week ever since) I'm now 3 stone + lighter I've reduced my diabetes mmol from a reading of 75 in February to 39 in July I am now classed as overweight as opposed to obese I've from XXL to M/L in tops I'v gone from a 42 waist to a 36 (or a generous 34) in pants I am, however, struggling with the weight loss Even though I was big before, I was solid / tank like. It suited me in a way. The weight loss I've had has been uneven It has gone from my shoulders, arms & legs but seems stubborn to move from where I wanted it to (sods law eh ?) The end result is that I have less body confidence now than I had before. So despite being undoubtedly healthier physically, the mental 'side effects' of the changes I have made have been quite damaging. I am happy to be healthier, but I am not as happy about being thinner. I am hoping that continued exercise & healthier eating that my currently saggy body (as I see it) will tighten up in parts. Where it doesn't, I'd be quite happy to get rid of it via the surgeons knife if needed. It's a long process I guess - one of balancing expectation with results You can't expect to live an unhealthy life for 47 years and then think it can be undone in 6 months. I just need to remind my brain of that sometimes "Good luck to you mate, hope you succeed in reaching your goal. | |||
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" Good luck to you mate, hope you succeed in reaching your goal. Ta Mr. Impala "Hello bussy! | |||
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"Preferably ignoring the issue of BMI and judgement calls of previous posters (though i am happy to correct falsehoods but not repeatedly), can we have what i originally asked for in the original thread? I want to know how professionals can approach obese people (not those with a greater muscle mass than the average folk), without appearing judgemental. Also, how much, if at all, is your stature part of your identity? A new question: Do any of you obese people NOT wish to change your current lifestyle, and if so why?" I won't lie I'm a fat guy but I always say to people when a conversation about weight comes up if I lose weight happy days if not oh well life moves on.  | |||
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" A new question: Do any of you obese people NOT wish to change your current lifestyle, and if so why? So, I wanted to make 2018 about me ... I gave my employer six months notice mid 2017 I saved up enough to take 2/3 months off at the start of this year and travel around Started my own business up in late Feb, which, for a fledgling, is going pretty well. I joined Slimming World in Feb I joined a gym in May (and I've actually been enjoying 4 x 1 hour sessions a week ever since) I'm now 3 stone + lighter I've reduced my diabetes mmol from a reading of 75 in February to 39 in July I am now classed as overweight as opposed to obese I've from XXL to M/L in tops I'v gone from a 42 waist to a 36 (or a generous 34) in pants I am, however, struggling with the weight loss Even though I was big before, I was solid / tank like. It suited me in a way. The weight loss I've had has been uneven It has gone from my shoulders, arms & legs but seems stubborn to move from where I wanted it to (sods law eh ?) The end result is that I have less body confidence now than I had before. So despite being undoubtedly healthier physically, the mental 'side effects' of the changes I have made have been quite damaging. I am happy to be healthier, but I am not as happy about being thinner. I am hoping that continued exercise & healthier eating that my currently saggy body (as I see it) will tighten up in parts. Where it doesn't, I'd be quite happy to get rid of it via the surgeons knife if needed. It's a long process I guess - one of balancing expectation with results You can't expect to live an unhealthy life for 47 years and then think it can be undone in 6 months. I just need to remind my brain of that sometimes "Thank you for sharing. Well done on changing your lifestyle. | |||
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"Preferably ignoring the issue of BMI and judgement calls of previous posters (though i am happy to correct falsehoods but not repeatedly), can we have what i originally asked for in the original thread? I want to know how professionals can approach obese people (not those with a greater muscle mass than the average folk), without appearing judgemental. Also, how much, if at all, is your stature part of your identity? A new question: Do any of you obese people NOT wish to change your current lifestyle, and if so why? I won't lie I'm a fat guy but I always say to people when a conversation about weight comes up if I lose weight happy days if not oh well life moves on. "Do you try to lose weight? | |||
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"This is very true. The stigma applied to smokers can't be applied to people overweight, even if some people have objective problems with metabolism that don't depend on their choices. Nevertheless, obesity is a social crisis and is causing distress in the society in terms of general health. Among the mentioned causes of stress, abusive relationship and binge eating, nobody mentioned binge drinking, something that I (as immigrant) can strongly relate to a lifestyle that isn't balanced nor positive. The same can be applied to binge sex: how many people you see on fab who are just here to have random sex, quantity over quality? I think that if we would be more concerned about the quality of the things we drink and eat, and of the relationships we have, obesity would be less common. I have the impression that people tend to care less and less about themselves as it seems like nobody cares about each other and everything is a race towards instant satisfaction. As a last comment, I work in schools and higher education, and I'm disgusted to see the content of the vending machines: chips and fizzy drinks. How can you feed youngsters with that crap? " As you rightly point out, obesity is not simply overeating, but reasons why. Alcohol is certainly not nutritional and so packs empty calories. Alcoholics use alcohol and many obese people use food as crutches to get them through life. | |||
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"Preferably ignoring the issue of BMI and judgement calls of previous posters (though i am happy to correct falsehoods but not repeatedly), can we have what i originally asked for in the original thread? I want to know how professionals can approach obese people (not those with a greater muscle mass than the average folk), without appearing judgemental. Also, how much, if at all, is your stature part of your identity? A new question: Do any of you obese people NOT wish to change your current lifestyle, and if so why? I won't lie I'm a fat guy but I always say to people when a conversation about weight comes up if I lose weight happy days if not oh well life moves on.
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"Its taken me a long time to decide if want to reply to your question OP and to save myself from the nasty mails I will get my profile remains hidden. On a previous profile i did put photos - and wow that was a mistake soon rectified Nobody can approach me about my morbid obesity without it feeling judgemental but neither can they judge me harsher that I judge myself. Do I want to change ? Obviously not enough or I would have done a better job of it each time Ive tried in the past. Strangely although my size draws attention it also allows me to hide within myself - most people dont appear to expect the fatty to have an opinion on anything more important than when their next meal is " I find this incredibly sad to read. Firstly that you would feel the need to hide your profile to avoid nasty messages from people on here. I've been posting on the forums for years and think I can count on one hand the number of nasty emails I've had about my size (I've had lots abouty opinions but thats different lol). Secondly because you think that people don't respect your opinions just because of your size. Why do you feel that everyone that mentions your obesity is judgmental? Do you think it's because of your attitude towards it? | |||
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"Its taken me a long time to decide if want to reply to your question OP and to save myself from the nasty mails I will get my profile remains hidden. On a previous profile i did put photos - and wow that was a mistake soon rectified Nobody can approach me about my morbid obesity without it feeling judgemental but neither can they judge me harsher that I judge myself. Do I want to change ? Obviously not enough or I would have done a better job of it each time Ive tried in the past. Strangely although my size draws attention it also allows me to hide within myself - most people dont appear to expect the fatty to have an opinion on anything more important than when their next meal is I find this incredibly sad to read. Firstly that you would feel the need to hide your profile to avoid nasty messages from people on here. I've been posting on the forums for years and think I can count on one hand the number of nasty emails I've had about my size (I've had lots abouty opinions but thats different lol). Secondly because you think that people don't respect your opinions just because of your size. Why do you feel that everyone that mentions your obesity is judgmental? Do you think it's because of your attitude towards it? " In effect it sounds a bit like a shield. If someone disagrees with you would you think that it's because they're judging you for your aspect? Being overweight is something that could be related to many factors, as we discussed, and I think it is just fine to say that it would be better for you to face those problems and try to improve yourself for your own benefit, not for anyone else! There are people who can help you if you don't feel ok. If you do, that's fine too. But talking about obesity is not talking about people, it's discussing a possible disease that could hinder someone's health, with impact on society too. Nobody is pointing finger at people, but we must point finger at the issue. | |||
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"Its taken me a long time to decide if want to reply to your question OP and to save myself from the nasty mails I will get my profile remains hidden. On a previous profile i did put photos - and wow that was a mistake soon rectified Nobody can approach me about my morbid obesity without it feeling judgemental but neither can they judge me harsher that I judge myself. Do I want to change ? Obviously not enough or I would have done a better job of it each time Ive tried in the past. Strangely although my size draws attention it also allows me to hide within myself - most people dont appear to expect the fatty to have an opinion on anything more important than when their next meal is " If your happy and comfortable with the body your in whether it's size or shape then you shouldn't let peoples opinions upset you or force you to change. | |||
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I simply eat and drink too much.
I am active - I cycle commute and average 15,000 steps a day - but It's not enough to keep my weight down.
Weight loss starts in the kitchen and all that
I have been on a million diets and "life changes" etc over the years and I do lose weight.
But I can never maintain it!
I guess I have a genetic disadvantage with my Caribbean heritage - but that's not really an excuse either - because when I reduce my calories - my weight reduces.
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"Its taken me a long time to decide if want to reply to your question OP and to save myself from the nasty mails I will get my profile remains hidden. On a previous profile i did put photos - and wow that was a mistake soon rectified Nobody can approach me about my morbid obesity without it feeling judgemental but neither can they judge me harsher that I judge myself. Do I want to change ? Obviously not enough or I would have done a better job of it each time Ive tried in the past. Strangely although my size draws attention it also allows me to hide within myself - most people dont appear to expect the fatty to have an opinion on anything more important than when their next meal is If your happy and comfortable with the body your in whether it's size or shape then you shouldn't let peoples opinions upset you or force you to change." So the people who are close to you , your family and friends , and your GP should be ignored when they care about you ? Why do cigarettes have the warnings on them ? By your reckoning we should do as we please as long as we are happy and comfortable with it . I think a part of the op was how obese people could be approached by healthcare professionals in a way that didn’t upset them . I don’t think that pussyfooting around the issue is of any value at all . If anything it’s bloody irresponsible to ignore the issue and say ‘ well they are happy so let’s ignire the fact that they will suffer later ‘ . I’ll say it again . We are supposed to be the most intelligent species on the planet . Yet we are the only species that over eats , and deliberately harm ourselves with lifestyle choices . It seems we are programmed to ‘need’ addictions . And the moment we comment on these choices we are told we shouldn’t criticise other people’s choices . | |||
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"I want to change my weight all the time. I've added a dress size in the last year and I feel terrible. I don't think anyone treats me differently though, although I've not had any medical conditions that would indicate whether they would look at me differently. I just want to lose some weight for me, I want to feel better about myself, and feel less out of breath "You are simply gorgeous  | |||
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"Like many people I fit sporadically in both the healthy and overweight/unhealthy camps - depending entirely upon how disciplined I am at the time! Personally I’m not convinced that classifying obesity as a disease will be of benefit. I could be wrong (I often am) - but to my mind it’s an easy way of blame shifting - which to me seems to be a large part of the issue. Ie those who currently lay all the blame on food manufacturers - or the government who allows them to produce and advertise food high in sugar and fats - can now take even less ownership by saying ‘look - it’s not my fault - it’s a disease!’ I’d agree that it’s more of a challenge to be fit, slim and healthy in the 21st century than its ever been! Most of us don’t ‘have’ to exercise at all unless we have an active job - and most are sedentary these days. We also have cars and public transport to take us almost literally from door to door! However - we have plenty of gyms, parks and recreational areas where we can exercise if we chose to! Nobody ‘makes’ us use cars etc all the time - and most of us can walk out of the front door every day and take a walk - but it’s easier not to bother! (I know - as I go through periods of not bothering to exercise enough myself!) Re food: Yes - there are more unhealthy junk foods/ready meals available than ever before (Britain consumes more ready meals than the rest of Europe combined) - but nobody forces us to eat them! They’re on supernmarket shelves because people buy them! If demand reduced, so would supply! And the last time I looked, supermarkets still had a huge choice of fresh fruit and vegetables, fresh meat and fish, and brown rice, wholewheat pasta, seeds and pulses! In fact, though it’s fair to say that there’s more unhealthy food readily available than ever before, I think it’s also fair to say that, thanks to cheap global transportation, there’s also more HEALTHY food readily available than ever before! Though many will argue that it’s cheaper to eat unhealthily than healthily, if you’re open minded about which meats, fish, fruit and veg you eat - the vast majority have special offers from week to week offering reduced price meat, fruit and vegetables! The fact is that, except in cases of mental illness, thyroid disfunction etc etc, for most of us it’s down to our own self discipline! It’s far easier to overeat than it is to control calorie intake. It’s far easier to sit in front of the tv or on fab than it is to go for a walk/ride a bike/hit the gym! Unfortunately it’s purely down to ourselves as individuals - which sucks slightly when I REALLY want to eat cheese and chocolate! " I'll add that often obesity is a symptom of psychological distress. Nobody would consciously damage himself/herself just because "I like food". I like to drink but if I exceed I feel like shit, so I just don't do it. | |||
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"It is not metabolic,the way the human body works is the same as it always was.What is different is an abundance of cheap food and change in attitudes and self control which also makes its presence felt in other facets of life today. If all bodies work the same why can my sister possible weight eating lots of carbs such as pasta and I can't. You have no clue. I did not say everyone has the same metabolism,the point is that people do not adjust their intake to suit their metabolism and as a society we do not exercise enough. That doesn't explain your opinion of "it is not metabolic"." Everyone has free choice as to what and how much they eat.If you find you are putting on weight, you have to change what you are eating in terms of type and quantity.If you cannot accept that then you are living in fantasy world and will continue to pile on the pounds with all the negative consequences that brings.In the end,it is up to you, but do not criticise others for pointing out the facts of life ! | |||
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"Like many people I fit sporadically in both the healthy and overweight/unhealthy camps - depending entirely upon how disciplined I am at the time! Personally I’m not convinced that classifying obesity as a disease will be of benefit. I could be wrong (I often am) - but to my mind it’s an easy way of blame shifting - which to me seems to be a large part of the issue. Ie those who currently lay all the blame on food manufacturers - or the government who allows them to produce and advertise food high in sugar and fats - can now take even less ownership by saying ‘look - it’s not my fault - it’s a disease!’ I’d agree that it’s more of a challenge to be fit, slim and healthy in the 21st century than its ever been! Most of us don’t ‘have’ to exercise at all unless we have an active job - and most are sedentary these days. We also have cars and public transport to take us almost literally from door to door! However - we have plenty of gyms, parks and recreational areas where we can exercise if we chose to! Nobody ‘makes’ us use cars etc all the time - and most of us can walk out of the front door every day and take a walk - but it’s easier not to bother! (I know - as I go through periods of not bothering to exercise enough myself!) Re food: Yes - there are more unhealthy junk foods/ready meals available than ever before (Britain consumes more ready meals than the rest of Europe combined) - but nobody forces us to eat them! They’re on supernmarket shelves because people buy them! If demand reduced, so would supply! And the last time I looked, supermarkets still had a huge choice of fresh fruit and vegetables, fresh meat and fish, and brown rice, wholewheat pasta, seeds and pulses! In fact, though it’s fair to say that there’s more unhealthy food readily available than ever before, I think it’s also fair to say that, thanks to cheap global transportation, there’s also more HEALTHY food readily available than ever before! Though many will argue that it’s cheaper to eat unhealthily than healthily, if you’re open minded about which meats, fish, fruit and veg you eat - the vast majority have special offers from week to week offering reduced price meat, fruit and vegetables! The fact is that, except in cases of mental illness, thyroid disfunction etc etc, for most of us it’s down to our own self discipline! It’s far easier to overeat than it is to control calorie intake. It’s far easier to sit in front of the tv or on fab than it is to go for a walk/ride a bike/hit the gym! Unfortunately it’s purely down to ourselves as individuals - which sucks slightly when I REALLY want to eat cheese and chocolate! " Agree with this 100%. People need to take responsibility, there’s to much playing the victim and blaming other factors. | |||
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"Like many people I fit sporadically in both the healthy and overweight/unhealthy camps - depending entirely upon how disciplined I am at the time! Personally I’m not convinced that classifying obesity as a disease will be of benefit. I could be wrong (I often am) - but to my mind it’s an easy way of blame shifting - which to me seems to be a large part of the issue. Ie those who currently lay all the blame on food manufacturers - or the government who allows them to produce and advertise food high in sugar and fats - can now take even less ownership by saying ‘look - it’s not my fault - it’s a disease!’ I’d agree that it’s more of a challenge to be fit, slim and healthy in the 21st century than its ever been! Most of us don’t ‘have’ to exercise at all unless we have an active job - and most are sedentary these days. We also have cars and public transport to take us almost literally from door to door! However - we have plenty of gyms, parks and recreational areas where we can exercise if we chose to! Nobody ‘makes’ us use cars etc all the time - and most of us can walk out of the front door every day and take a walk - but it’s easier not to bother! (I know - as I go through periods of not bothering to exercise enough myself!) Re food: Yes - there are more unhealthy junk foods/ready meals available than ever before (Britain consumes more ready meals than the rest of Europe combined) - but nobody forces us to eat them! They’re on supernmarket shelves because people buy them! If demand reduced, so would supply! And the last time I looked, supermarkets still had a huge choice of fresh fruit and vegetables, fresh meat and fish, and brown rice, wholewheat pasta, seeds and pulses! In fact, though it’s fair to say that there’s more unhealthy food readily available than ever before, I think it’s also fair to say that, thanks to cheap global transportation, there’s also more HEALTHY food readily available than ever before! Though many will argue that it’s cheaper to eat unhealthily than healthily, if you’re open minded about which meats, fish, fruit and veg you eat - the vast majority have special offers from week to week offering reduced price meat, fruit and vegetables! The fact is that, except in cases of mental illness, thyroid disfunction etc etc, for most of us it’s down to our own self discipline! It’s far easier to overeat than it is to control calorie intake. It’s far easier to sit in front of the tv or on fab than it is to go for a walk/ride a bike/hit the gym! Unfortunately it’s purely down to ourselves as individuals - which sucks slightly when I REALLY want to eat cheese and chocolate! " All very good points. | |||
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"It is not metabolic,the way the human body works is the same as it always was.What is different is an abundance of cheap food and change in attitudes and self control which also makes its presence felt in other facets of life today. If all bodies work the same why can my sister possible weight eating lots of carbs such as pasta and I can't. You have no clue. I did not say everyone has the same metabolism,the point is that people do not adjust their intake to suit their metabolism and as a society we do not exercise enough. That doesn't explain your opinion of "it is not metabolic". Everyone has free choice as to what and how much they eat.If you find you are putting on weight, you have to change what you are eating in terms of type and quantity.If you cannot accept that then you are living in fantasy world and will continue to pile on the pounds with all the negative consequences that brings.In the end,it is up to you, but do not criticise others for pointing out the facts of life !" It's really not as simple as that though. Would you tell someone who is anorexic "just to eat more"? | |||
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"It is not metabolic,the way the human body works is the same as it always was.What is different is an abundance of cheap food and change in attitudes and self control which also makes its presence felt in other facets of life today. If all bodies work the same why can my sister possible weight eating lots of carbs such as pasta and I can't. You have no clue. I did not say everyone has the same metabolism,the point is that people do not adjust their intake to suit their metabolism and as a society we do not exercise enough. That doesn't explain your opinion of "it is not metabolic". Everyone has free choice as to what and how much they eat.If you find you are putting on weight, you have to change what you are eating in terms of type and quantity.If you cannot accept that then you are living in fantasy world and will continue to pile on the pounds with all the negative consequences that brings.In the end,it is up to you, but do not criticise others for pointing out the facts of life ! It's really not as simple as that though. Would you tell someone who is anorexic "just to eat more"?" So you’re saying that every obese person has an eating disorder ? | |||
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It's just not true.
Both are a form of self harm in the extreme.
I know that I'm a fat size 18 at the moment because I'm really unhappy and food and drink are my drugs of choice!
I wish I could replace it with the gym but I can't- just like an anorexic can't just eat a slice of cake.
It's not that simple - otherwise everyone would do it!
People need to get off their judgy
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"Its taken me a long time to decide if want to reply to your question OP and to save myself from the nasty mails I will get my profile remains hidden. On a previous profile i did put photos - and wow that was a mistake soon rectified Nobody can approach me about my morbid obesity without it feeling judgemental but neither can they judge me harsher that I judge myself. Do I want to change ? Obviously not enough or I would have done a better job of it each time Ive tried in the past. Strangely although my size draws attention it also allows me to hide within myself - most people dont appear to expect the fatty to have an opinion on anything more important than when their next meal is " Your statement re changing: Seek support. Use NHS Choices website. Ask your GP for a referral to (i think it's) Slimming World. It can be hard doing it alone. | |||
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"I go through phases of wanting to change OP. I'm the biggest I've ever been now and have no excuses
I simply eat and drink too much.
I am active - I cycle commute and average 15,000 steps a day - but It's not enough to keep my weight down.
Weight loss starts in the kitchen and all that
I have been on a million diets and "life changes" etc over the years and I do lose weight.
But I can never maintain it!
I guess I have a genetic disadvantage with my Caribbean heritage - but that's not really an excuse either - because when I reduce my calories - my weight reduces.
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"Its taken me a long time to decide if want to reply to your question OP and to save myself from the nasty mails I will get my profile remains hidden. On a previous profile i did put photos - and wow that was a mistake soon rectified Nobody can approach me about my morbid obesity without it feeling judgemental but neither can they judge me harsher that I judge myself. Do I want to change ? Obviously not enough or I would have done a better job of it each time Ive tried in the past. Strangely although my size draws attention it also allows me to hide within myself - most people dont appear to expect the fatty to have an opinion on anything more important than when their next meal is If your happy and comfortable with the body your in whether it's size or shape then you shouldn't let peoples opinions upset you or force you to change. So the people who are close to you , your family and friends , and your GP should be ignored when they care about you ? Why do cigarettes have the warnings on them ? By your reckoning we should do as we please as long as we are happy and comfortable with it . I think a part of the op was how obese people could be approached by healthcare professionals in a way that didn’t upset them . I don’t think that pussyfooting around the issue is of any value at all . If anything it’s bloody irresponsible to ignore the issue and say ‘ well they are happy so let’s ignire the fact that they will suffer later ‘ . I’ll say it again . We are supposed to be the most intelligent species on the planet . Yet we are the only species that over eats , and deliberately harm ourselves with lifestyle choices . It seems we are programmed to ‘need’ addictions . And the moment we comment on these choices we are told we shouldn’t criticise other people’s choices . " Who ignore the issues? Who says you shouldn't criticise people's choices (assuming it's constructive criticism, or the giving of education and its rationale)? | |||
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"I'd rather just be told. I know I'm fat and at least 3 stone overweight but when everyone around me is telling me I look fine, I carry it well, I'm hot etc etc it kind of kills the motivation to do anything about it. My job is sedentary and I'm prone to boredom eating so I specifically don't keep food in my works van anymore. I'm also addicted to cola, so have changed to cherry Pepsi max and zero. I'm also using my fitness pal and trying to stick as close to 1450 cals as possible. I've been walking for an hour before work at a nature reserve close to where I'm working and my sister has given me her account details for the beach body on demand, so going to look at introducing t25 into things. No difference yet but only planning on weighing once a month as I lose interest very quickly if I don't see things moving so once a month for me is realistic. My doctors don't really offer any help unless bmi is 30 or above which mine isn't, so got to pull my head out my arse and get on with it. " Good luck with your plans. | |||
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"I've never had any advice from a healthcare professional- but I doubt I'd be offended. If you're fat you're fat! If you go to a doctor for advice on your weight - why would you be offended by the advice given? I don't get it "It's regarding context, ie not asking for weight/ lifestyle advice, but it being offered. | |||
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"I want to change my weight all the time. I've added a dress size in the last year and I feel terrible. I don't think anyone treats me differently though, although I've not had any medical conditions that would indicate whether they would look at me differently. I just want to lose some weight for me, I want to feel better about myself, and feel less out of breath "Do you want advice? | |||
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"Like many people I fit sporadically in both the healthy and overweight/unhealthy camps - depending entirely upon how disciplined I am at the time! Personally I’m not convinced that classifying obesity as a disease will be of benefit. I could be wrong (I often am) - but to my mind it’s an easy way of blame shifting - which to me seems to be a large part of the issue. Ie those who currently lay all the blame on food manufacturers - or the government who allows them to produce and advertise food high in sugar and fats - can now take even less ownership by saying ‘look - it’s not my fault - it’s a disease!’ I’d agree that it’s more of a challenge to be fit, slim and healthy in the 21st century than its ever been! Most of us don’t ‘have’ to exercise at all unless we have an active job - and most are sedentary these days. We also have cars and public transport to take us almost literally from door to door! However - we have plenty of gyms, parks and recreational areas where we can exercise if we chose to! Nobody ‘makes’ us use cars etc all the time - and most of us can walk out of the front door every day and take a walk - but it’s easier not to bother! (I know - as I go through periods of not bothering to exercise enough myself!) Re food: Yes - there are more unhealthy junk foods/ready meals available than ever before (Britain consumes more ready meals than the rest of Europe combined) - but nobody forces us to eat them! They’re on supernmarket shelves because people buy them! If demand reduced, so would supply! And the last time I looked, supermarkets still had a huge choice of fresh fruit and vegetables, fresh meat and fish, and brown rice, wholewheat pasta, seeds and pulses! In fact, though it’s fair to say that there’s more unhealthy food readily available than ever before, I think it’s also fair to say that, thanks to cheap global transportation, there’s also more HEALTHY food readily available than ever before! Though many will argue that it’s cheaper to eat unhealthily than healthily, if you’re open minded about which meats, fish, fruit and veg you eat - the vast majority have special offers from week to week offering reduced price meat, fruit and vegetables! The fact is that, except in cases of mental illness, thyroid disfunction etc etc, for most of us it’s down to our own self discipline! It’s far easier to overeat than it is to control calorie intake. It’s far easier to sit in front of the tv or on fab than it is to go for a walk/ride a bike/hit the gym! Unfortunately it’s purely down to ourselves as individuals - which sucks slightly when I REALLY want to eat cheese and chocolate! " It's not about blaming a single entity or making excuses. Causes of and resolving obesity is multi-factorial. If you really love cheese and chocolate and there's no medical reason for you not to have them, have them in moderation. I switched from Galaxy to green and blacks dark chocolate with orange. Better for you and you don't want to eat the whole bar in one sitting. | |||
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"It is not metabolic,the way the human body works is the same as it always was.What is different is an abundance of cheap food and change in attitudes and self control which also makes its presence felt in other facets of life today. If all bodies work the same why can my sister possible weight eating lots of carbs such as pasta and I can't. You have no clue. I did not say everyone has the same metabolism,the point is that people do not adjust their intake to suit their metabolism and as a society we do not exercise enough. That doesn't explain your opinion of "it is not metabolic". Everyone has free choice as to what and how much they eat.If you find you are putting on weight, you have to change what you are eating in terms of type and quantity.If you cannot accept that then you are living in fantasy world and will continue to pile on the pounds with all the negative consequences that brings.In the end,it is up to you, but do not criticise others for pointing out the facts of life !" Answer the question please. Plus, who's criticising who and what facts of life are actually being pointed out? | |||
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"Probably not really answering any of the questions but I put off going to my GP for years about my hip because I assumed they'd just say "you need to lose weight". Previous visits to health professionals have felt like whatever my medical issue is, it's all because of my weight (even though many of the particular health problems I had long BEFORE I piled on the weight). I plucked up the courage to go because my hip is so bad it's affecting me day and night. The GP didn't even mention my weight and sent me for an x-ray which showed I need a hip replacement. I wish I had gone sooner as perhaps I wouldn't have suffered in silence for so long. So my advice regarding how health professionals should approach the topic of being overweight is to come across as non judgemental and supportive as possible. Otherwise it may out patients off from asking for help for other issues when they really need it. " Good luck with the hip replacement. | |||
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"Its taken me a long time to decide if want to reply to your question OP and to save myself from the nasty mails I will get my profile remains hidden. On a previous profile i did put photos - and wow that was a mistake soon rectified Nobody can approach me about my morbid obesity without it feeling judgemental but neither can they judge me harsher that I judge myself. Do I want to change ? Obviously not enough or I would have done a better job of it each time Ive tried in the past. Strangely although my size draws attention it also allows me to hide within myself - most people dont appear to expect the fatty to have an opinion on anything more important than when their next meal is I find this incredibly sad to read. Firstly that you would feel the need to hide your profile to avoid nasty messages from people on here. I've been posting on the forums for years and think I can count on one hand the number of nasty emails I've had about my size (I've had lots abouty opinions but thats different lol). Secondly because you think that people don't respect your opinions just because of your size. Why do you feel that everyone that mentions your obesity is judgmental? Do you think it's because of your attitude towards it? " The original post from the OP asked how can health professionals approach people about obesity without appearing judgemental I was trying to explain that they cant because being judgemental about ourselves is hardwired into many of us Ive met a dominant guy from site for a number of years now - im well aware my size isnt an issue for everyone and Im as comfortable in my skin as many of my skinny friends are in theirs lol | |||
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"Its taken me a long time to decide if want to reply to your question OP and to save myself from the nasty mails I will get my profile remains hidden. On a previous profile i did put photos - and wow that was a mistake soon rectified Nobody can approach me about my morbid obesity without it feeling judgemental but neither can they judge me harsher that I judge myself. Do I want to change ? Obviously not enough or I would have done a better job of it each time Ive tried in the past. Strangely although my size draws attention it also allows me to hide within myself - most people dont appear to expect the fatty to have an opinion on anything more important than when their next meal is I find this incredibly sad to read. Firstly that you would feel the need to hide your profile to avoid nasty messages from people on here. I've been posting on the forums for years and think I can count on one hand the number of nasty emails I've had about my size (I've had lots abouty opinions but thats different lol). Secondly because you think that people don't respect your opinions just because of your size. Why do you feel that everyone that mentions your obesity is judgmental? Do you think it's because of your attitude towards it? The original post from the OP asked how can health professionals approach people about obesity without appearing judgemental I was trying to explain that they cant because being judgemental about ourselves is hardwired into many of us Ive met a dominant guy from site for a number of years now - im well aware my size isnt an issue for everyone and Im as comfortable in my skin as many of my skinny friends are in theirs lol" Reducing the patient's perception of judgement is totally my point, thank you. | |||
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"Refined Sugar has only been in our diet for a few hundred years.. there seem to be a lot of conditions related to food intolerances caused by the modern diet " Absolutely - I've set up a weight loss/healthy eating thread. Personally i avoid processed sugars and flour - fruits, veg and salads give us all the carbs (starch and sugars) we need. | |||
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"I've never seen a professional that doesn't mention it, (male talking) based on my height and age my BMI shows overweight this been pointed out to me any time it's been checked told I should lose weight even though I don't have much on me. There are a lot of factors for weight gain including health issues, and some diets might work for some and not others based on health issues, example women with PCOS should avoid white carbs as they can't burn them properly. But sadly as always unhealthy food is cheaper than healthy food so depending on pepoles individual budgets sometimes eating bad is easier. " Yep | |||
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"I'm overweight and yes I struggle with it unfortunately there are people who are nasty towards those who are overweight all I can say as long as you are happy within yourself people should never judge others" It would be good if this was true, but sadly people judge for many reasons, be it weight, tattoos or how you dress. Dom x | |||
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"I go through phases of wanting to change OP. I'm the biggest I've ever been now and have no excuses
I simply eat and drink too much.
I am active - I cycle commute and average 15,000 steps a day - but It's not enough to keep my weight down.
Weight loss starts in the kitchen and all that
I have been on a million diets and "life changes" etc over the years and I do lose weight.
But I can never maintain it!
I guess I have a genetic disadvantage with my Caribbean heritage - but that's not really an excuse either - because when I reduce my calories - my weight reduces.
I'm at a point where I want to accept the skin I'm in - but I find it difficult - and don't like what I see in the mirror
Do you do fad diets or adopt a healthy eating plan?"I've done all of it, fad diets 3 milkshakes a day type thing and healthy eating plans combined with exercise. Both reduced my weight. But I always end up putting all of that weight back on plus some more
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"It is not metabolic,the way the human body works is the same as it always was.What is different is an abundance of cheap food and change in attitudes and self control which also makes its presence felt in other facets of life today. If all bodies work the same why can my sister possible weight eating lots of carbs such as pasta and I can't. You have no clue. I did not say everyone has the same metabolism,the point is that people do not adjust their intake to suit their metabolism and as a society we do not exercise enough. That doesn't explain your opinion of "it is not metabolic". Everyone has free choice as to what and how much they eat.If you find you are putting on weight, you have to change what you are eating in terms of type and quantity.If you cannot accept that then you are living in fantasy world and will continue to pile on the pounds with all the negative consequences that brings.In the end,it is up to you, but do not criticise others for pointing out the facts of life ! It's really not as simple as that though. Would you tell someone who is anorexic "just to eat more"? So you’re saying that every obese person has an eating disorder ?" Not all, but some. It's not as black and white as you appear to make it. | |||
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"I go through phases of wanting to change OP. I'm the biggest I've ever been now and have no excuses
I simply eat and drink too much.
I am active - I cycle commute and average 15,000 steps a day - but It's not enough to keep my weight down.
Weight loss starts in the kitchen and all that
I have been on a million diets and "life changes" etc over the years and I do lose weight.
But I can never maintain it!
I guess I have a genetic disadvantage with my Caribbean heritage - but that's not really an excuse either - because when I reduce my calories - my weight reduces.
I'm at a point where I want to accept the skin I'm in - but I find it difficult - and don't like what I see in the mirror
Do you do fad diets or adopt a healthy eating plan?
I've done all of it, fad diets 3 milkshakes a day type thing and healthy eating plans combined with exercise.
Both reduced my weight.
But I always end up putting all of that weight back on plus some more
I can't maintain it."It might sound weird but you tried slimming world, wife tried loads of diet's and nothing or the same as yourself. But then lost weight following there plan and has kept it off. | |||
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"I go through phases of wanting to change OP. I'm the biggest I've ever been now and have no excuses
I simply eat and drink too much.
I am active - I cycle commute and average 15,000 steps a day - but It's not enough to keep my weight down.
Weight loss starts in the kitchen and all that
I have been on a million diets and "life changes" etc over the years and I do lose weight.
But I can never maintain it!
I guess I have a genetic disadvantage with my Caribbean heritage - but that's not really an excuse either - because when I reduce my calories - my weight reduces.
I'm at a point where I want to accept the skin I'm in - but I find it difficult - and don't like what I see in the mirror
Do you do fad diets or adopt a healthy eating plan?
I've done all of it, fad diets 3 milkshakes a day type thing and healthy eating plans combined with exercise.
Both reduced my weight.
But I always end up putting all of that weight back on plus some more
I can't maintain it.
It might sound weird but you tried slimming world, wife tried loads of diet's and nothing or the same as yourself. But then lost weight following there plan and has kept it off."No I haven't- I looked into it- but it seems time consuming - a lot of cooking and shopping
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"I go through phases of wanting to change OP. I'm the biggest I've ever been now and have no excuses
I simply eat and drink too much.
I am active - I cycle commute and average 15,000 steps a day - but It's not enough to keep my weight down.
Weight loss starts in the kitchen and all that
I have been on a million diets and "life changes" etc over the years and I do lose weight.
But I can never maintain it!
I guess I have a genetic disadvantage with my Caribbean heritage - but that's not really an excuse either - because when I reduce my calories - my weight reduces.
I'm at a point where I want to accept the skin I'm in - but I find it difficult - and don't like what I see in the mirror
Do you do fad diets or adopt a healthy eating plan?
I've done all of it, fad diets 3 milkshakes a day type thing and healthy eating plans combined with exercise.
Both reduced my weight.
But I always end up putting all of that weight back on plus some more
I can't maintain it.
It might sound weird but you tried slimming world, wife tried loads of diet's and nothing or the same as yourself. But then lost weight following there plan and has kept it off.
No I haven't- I looked into it- but it seems time consuming - a lot of cooking and shopping
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"I go through phases of wanting to change OP. I'm the biggest I've ever been now and have no excuses
I simply eat and drink too much.
I am active - I cycle commute and average 15,000 steps a day - but It's not enough to keep my weight down.
Weight loss starts in the kitchen and all that
I have been on a million diets and "life changes" etc over the years and I do lose weight.
But I can never maintain it!
I guess I have a genetic disadvantage with my Caribbean heritage - but that's not really an excuse either - because when I reduce my calories - my weight reduces.
I'm at a point where I want to accept the skin I'm in - but I find it difficult - and don't like what I see in the mirror
Do you do fad diets or adopt a healthy eating plan?
I've done all of it, fad diets 3 milkshakes a day type thing and healthy eating plans combined with exercise.
Both reduced my weight.
But I always end up putting all of that weight back on plus some more
I can't maintain it.
It might sound weird but you tried slimming world, wife tried loads of diet's and nothing or the same as yourself. But then lost weight following there plan and has kept it off.
No I haven't- I looked into it- but it seems time consuming - a lot of cooking and shopping
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"Obviously,people cannot understand what I am saying.If you want to have a healthy weight,you must balance your intake and output of energy.If you find a particular food makes you put on weight you must avoid or ration it.No mention has been made of the surge in wine drinking or general alcohol consumption...full of calories.Coupled with a general increase in sedentary lifestyle and abundance of food of both "good" and "bad" variety. I often have Sunday lunch at a favourite pub of mine.It is obvious from what I see that many are overeating judging by the size of the portions they are eating and the speed at which they eat it.Probably twice as much as I have on my plate.In the end it is about self control,portion control and commonsense;both are sadly lacking in many these days.Those who are anorexic or bulimic do have a mental problem in that they have a distorted view of their body and do need help.For information,I am 170cm,75 kg and 32" waist.A bit overweight but as an ex rugby player I have retained muscle tone and my weight is constant unless I overindulge my fondness for chocolate !" I understand what you're saying, I just don't agree with it (as you don't agree with me). It's a debate. People are going to have different opinions. | |||
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" So you’re saying that every obese person has an eating disorder ?" Yes everyone who is obese has an eating disorder. Their calorie intake is out of order with their body's calorie requirements. It is really simple, monitor your weight regularly and if it starts going up reduce your intake and move more. Problem is humans in general are very lazy wnd weak minded. Sugar is about the most addictive substance we consume it is not easy to turn it down, however people need to grow up and take personal responsibility. Yes I am judgemental but it drives me nuts when I see someone the size of a bus downing another can of cola
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" So you’re saying that every obese person has an eating disorder ? Yes everyone who is obese has an eating disorder. Their calorie intake is out of order with their body's calorie requirements. It is really simple, monitor your weight regularly and if it starts going up reduce your intake and move more. Problem is humans in general are very lazy wnd weak minded. Sugar is about the most addictive substance we consume it is not easy to turn it down, however people need to grow up and take personal responsibility. Yes I am judgemental but it drives me nuts when I see someone the size of a bus downing another can of cola
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" So you’re saying that every obese person has an eating disorder ? Yes everyone who is obese has an eating disorder. Their calorie intake is out of order with their body's calorie requirements. It is really simple, monitor your weight regularly and if it starts going up reduce your intake and move more. Problem is humans in general are very lazy wnd weak minded. Sugar is about the most addictive substance we consume it is not easy to turn it down, however people need to grow up and take personal responsibility. Yes I am judgemental but it drives me nuts when I see someone the size of a bus downing another can of cola
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"I don't think its fair to call them morons, they're just victims of society. Eating too much sugar is easy these days without really eating too much food by volume. My neighbours for example, he works, she stays at home with her offspring. They can't afford a car, so dinner for them is Dominoes pizza. Which as we know is basically a big disc of sugar. All this probably explains why she is as wide as her own front door, while he looks like marathon runner. " Dominoes every day? They could afford a car if they ate healthily surely those pizzas don’t come cheap. | |||
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"Good luck my mum had a full hip replacement (both bits ball and socket) two weeks ago following a fall - shes had zero pain from it and could stand and walk using a frame the first time she got out of bed - its amazing as she in her 80s" Thank you, I'm getting lots of reassurance about how I'll recover but I am concerned about flexibility and sex afterwards. | |||
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"I don't think its fair to call them morons, they're just victims of society. Eating too much sugar is easy these days without really eating too much food by volume. My neighbours for example, he works, she stays at home with her offspring. They can't afford a car, so dinner for them is Dominoes pizza. Which as we know is basically a big disc of sugar. All this probably explains why she is as wide as her own front door, while he looks like marathon runner. Dominoes every day? They could afford a car if they ate healthily surely those pizzas don’t come cheap. " Oh i know! And you and i pay for their lifestyle! Aren't we nice! | |||
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"Its taken me a long time to decide if want to reply to your question OP and to save myself from the nasty mails I will get my profile remains hidden. On a previous profile i did put photos - and wow that was a mistake soon rectified Nobody can approach me about my morbid obesity without it feeling judgemental but neither can they judge me harsher that I judge myself. Do I want to change ? Obviously not enough or I would have done a better job of it each time Ive tried in the past. Strangely although my size draws attention it also allows me to hide within myself - most people dont appear to expect the fatty to have an opinion on anything more important than when their next meal is I find this incredibly sad to read. Firstly that you would feel the need to hide your profile to avoid nasty messages from people on here. I've been posting on the forums for years and think I can count on one hand the number of nasty emails I've had about my size (I've had lots abouty opinions but thats different lol). Secondly because you think that people don't respect your opinions just because of your size. Why do you feel that everyone that mentions your obesity is judgmental? Do you think it's because of your attitude towards it? The original post from the OP asked how can health professionals approach people about obesity without appearing judgemental I was trying to explain that they cant because being judgemental about ourselves is hardwired into many of us Ive met a dominant guy from site for a number of years now - im well aware my size isnt an issue for everyone and Im as comfortable in my skin as many of my skinny friends are in theirs lol Reducing the patient's perception of judgement is totally my point, thank you." Could it be the person is perceiving judgement that isn't actually there? It sounds like some people's sensitivity on the subject causes them to project onto others. | |||
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"Obviously,people cannot understand what I am saying.If you want to have a healthy weight,you must balance your intake and output of energy.If you find a particular food makes you put on weight you must avoid or ration it.No mention has been made of the surge in wine drinking or general alcohol consumption...full of calories.Coupled with a general increase in sedentary lifestyle and abundance of food of both "good" and "bad" variety. I often have Sunday lunch at a favourite pub of mine.It is obvious from what I see that many are overeating judging by the size of the portions they are eating and the speed at which they eat it.Probably twice as much as I have on my plate.In the end it is about self control,portion control and commonsense;both are sadly lacking in many these days.Those who are anorexic or bulimic do have a mental problem in that they have a distorted view of their body and do need help.For information,I am 170cm,75 kg and 32" waist.A bit overweight but as an ex rugby player I have retained muscle tone and my weight is constant unless I overindulge my fondness for chocolate ! I understand what you're saying, I just don't agree with it (as you don't agree with me). It's a debate. People are going to have different opinions." So, what in your opinion is the cause of obesity? | |||
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" So you’re saying that every obese person has an eating disorder ? Yes everyone who is obese has an eating disorder. Their calorie intake is out of order with their body's calorie requirements. It is really simple, monitor your weight regularly and if it starts going up reduce your intake and move more. Problem is humans in general are very lazy wnd weak minded. Sugar is about the most addictive substance we consume it is not easy to turn it down, however people need to grow up and take personal responsibility. Yes I am judgemental but it drives me nuts when I see someone the size of a bus downing another can of cola
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"I don't think its fair to call them morons, they're just victims of society. Eating too much sugar is easy these days without really eating too much food by volume. My neighbours for example, he works, she stays at home with her offspring. They can't afford a car, so dinner for them is Dominoes pizza. Which as we know is basically a big disc of sugar. All this probably explains why she is as wide as her own front door, while he looks like marathon runner. Dominoes every day? They could afford a car if they ate healthily surely those pizzas don’t come cheap. Oh i know! And you and i pay for their lifestyle! Aren't we nice! " He works according to the post | |||
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"Obviously,people cannot understand what I am saying.If you want to have a healthy weight,you must balance your intake and output of energy.If you find a particular food makes you put on weight you must avoid or ration it.No mention has been made of the surge in wine drinking or general alcohol consumption...full of calories.Coupled with a general increase in sedentary lifestyle and abundance of food of both "good" and "bad" variety. I often have Sunday lunch at a favourite pub of mine.It is obvious from what I see that many are overeating judging by the size of the portions they are eating and the speed at which they eat it.Probably twice as much as I have on my plate.In the end it is about self control,portion control and commonsense;both are sadly lacking in many these days.Those who are anorexic or bulimic do have a mental problem in that they have a distorted view of their body and do need help.For information,I am 170cm,75 kg and 32" waist.A bit overweight but as an ex rugby player I have retained muscle tone and my weight is constant unless I overindulge my fondness for chocolate ! I understand what you're saying, I just don't agree with it (as you don't agree with me). It's a debate. People are going to have different opinions. So, what in your opinion is the cause of obesity?" I've stated it plenty of times throughout the thread. For some people (mainly those who are overweight, not obese) I would agree it is a simple case of calories in and out, lack of exercise, portion control etc. However, it can also be a symptom of something deeper - medication, hormone imbalance, or a sign of disease/illness (similar to anorexia and bulimia). | |||
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"I dont buy it at all especially with kids when i pick my kids up from school theres far far less fat kids that when i was a lad" You mean all the kids that used to walk home from school are fatter than the ones getting driven home ? | |||
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"I dont buy it at all especially with kids when i pick my kids up from school theres far far less fat kids that when i was a lad You mean all the kids that used to walk home from school are fatter than the ones getting driven home ?" Totally agree. There were hardly any overweight kids in my year at school. We walked everywhere, didn’t have computers or phones, always outside being active and didn’t eat as much crap. | |||
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"My bmi says I'm morbidly obese when I was told that (judgementally as to be expected) I asked if there was any room in that reading for exercise levels etc I was told no. I haven't changed my lifestyle in any way I'm happy in my own skin ta. My belly has always been "there", now it's there and "wobbly" (as my daughter puts it). But it's carried my miracle and can wobble as much as it wants " In what way were they judgemental? | |||
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"I dont buy it at all especially with kids when i pick my kids up from school theres far far less fat kids that when i was a lad You mean all the kids that used to walk home from school are fatter than the ones getting driven home ?" Yep just what iv seen | |||
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"Being judged seems to be a common theme, but no one can give an example of being judged for being obese in the real world. " I'd be curious to hear some examples of a health professional being judgemental. I'm not saying it doesn't happen, I'd just like to hear some real life examples. I don't think they should have to pussy foot around issues either. | |||
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"I don't think its fair to call them morons, they're just victims of society. Eating too much sugar is easy these days without really eating too much food by volume. My neighbours for example, he works, she stays at home with her offspring. They can't afford a car, so dinner for them is Dominoes pizza. Which as we know is basically a big disc of sugar. All this probably explains why she is as wide as her own front door, while he looks like marathon runner. Dominoes every day? They could afford a car if they ate healthily surely those pizzas don’t come cheap. Oh i know! And you and i pay for their lifestyle! Aren't we nice! " You ignored the bit about the bloke working | |||
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"Its taken me a long time to decide if want to reply to your question OP and to save myself from the nasty mails I will get my profile remains hidden. On a previous profile i did put photos - and wow that was a mistake soon rectified Nobody can approach me about my morbid obesity without it feeling judgemental but neither can they judge me harsher that I judge myself. Do I want to change ? Obviously not enough or I would have done a better job of it each time Ive tried in the past. Strangely although my size draws attention it also allows me to hide within myself - most people dont appear to expect the fatty to have an opinion on anything more important than when their next meal is I find this incredibly sad to read. Firstly that you would feel the need to hide your profile to avoid nasty messages from people on here. I've been posting on the forums for years and think I can count on one hand the number of nasty emails I've had about my size (I've had lots abouty opinions but thats different lol). Secondly because you think that people don't respect your opinions just because of your size. Why do you feel that everyone that mentions your obesity is judgmental? Do you think it's because of your attitude towards it? The original post from the OP asked how can health professionals approach people about obesity without appearing judgemental I was trying to explain that they cant because being judgemental about ourselves is hardwired into many of us Ive met a dominant guy from site for a number of years now - im well aware my size isnt an issue for everyone and Im as comfortable in my skin as many of my skinny friends are in theirs lol Reducing the patient's perception of judgement is totally my point, thank you. Could it be the person is perceiving judgement that isn't actually there? It sounds like some people's sensitivity on the subject causes them to project onto others." Yes, projecting their self judgement. | |||
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"I don't think its fair to call them morons, they're just victims of society. Eating too much sugar is easy these days without really eating too much food by volume. My neighbours for example, he works, she stays at home with her offspring. They can't afford a car, so dinner for them is Dominoes pizza. Which as we know is basically a big disc of sugar. All this probably explains why she is as wide as her own front door, while he looks like marathon runner. Dominoes every day? They could afford a car if they ate healthily surely those pizzas don’t come cheap. Oh i know! And you and i pay for their lifestyle! Aren't we nice! You ignored the bit about the bloke working "True. It's a crap job, but at least he's trying. | |||
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"Its taken me a long time to decide if want to reply to your question OP and to save myself from the nasty mails I will get my profile remains hidden. On a previous profile i did put photos - and wow that was a mistake soon rectified Nobody can approach me about my morbid obesity without it feeling judgemental but neither can they judge me harsher that I judge myself. Do I want to change ? Obviously not enough or I would have done a better job of it each time Ive tried in the past. Strangely although my size draws attention it also allows me to hide within myself - most people dont appear to expect the fatty to have an opinion on anything more important than when their next meal is I find this incredibly sad to read. Firstly that you would feel the need to hide your profile to avoid nasty messages from people on here. I've been posting on the forums for years and think I can count on one hand the number of nasty emails I've had about my size (I've had lots abouty opinions but thats different lol). Secondly because you think that people don't respect your opinions just because of your size. Why do you feel that everyone that mentions your obesity is judgmental? Do you think it's because of your attitude towards it? The original post from the OP asked how can health professionals approach people about obesity without appearing judgemental I was trying to explain that they cant because being judgemental about ourselves is hardwired into many of us Ive met a dominant guy from site for a number of years now - im well aware my size isnt an issue for everyone and Im as comfortable in my skin as many of my skinny friends are in theirs lol Reducing the patient's perception of judgement is totally my point, thank you. Could it be the person is perceiving judgement that isn't actually there? It sounds like some people's sensitivity on the subject causes them to project onto others. Yes, projecting their self judgement." So the judgement is imagined then. How is that the health professional's fault? | |||
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"Its taken me a long time to decide if want to reply to your question OP and to save myself from the nasty mails I will get my profile remains hidden. On a previous profile i did put photos - and wow that was a mistake soon rectified Nobody can approach me about my morbid obesity without it feeling judgemental but neither can they judge me harsher that I judge myself. Do I want to change ? Obviously not enough or I would have done a better job of it each time Ive tried in the past. Strangely although my size draws attention it also allows me to hide within myself - most people dont appear to expect the fatty to have an opinion on anything more important than when their next meal is I find this incredibly sad to read. Firstly that you would feel the need to hide your profile to avoid nasty messages from people on here. I've been posting on the forums for years and think I can count on one hand the number of nasty emails I've had about my size (I've had lots abouty opinions but thats different lol). Secondly because you think that people don't respect your opinions just because of your size. Why do you feel that everyone that mentions your obesity is judgmental? Do you think it's because of your attitude towards it? The original post from the OP asked how can health professionals approach people about obesity without appearing judgemental I was trying to explain that they cant because being judgemental about ourselves is hardwired into many of us Ive met a dominant guy from site for a number of years now - im well aware my size isnt an issue for everyone and Im as comfortable in my skin as many of my skinny friends are in theirs lol Reducing the patient's perception of judgement is totally my point, thank you. Could it be the person is perceiving judgement that isn't actually there? It sounds like some people's sensitivity on the subject causes them to project onto others. Yes, projecting their self judgement. So the judgement is imagined then. How is that the health professional's fault?" It's not. It is down to the professional to be tactful though. | |||
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"Its taken me a long time to decide if want to reply to your question OP and to save myself from the nasty mails I will get my profile remains hidden. On a previous profile i did put photos - and wow that was a mistake soon rectified Nobody can approach me about my morbid obesity without it feeling judgemental but neither can they judge me harsher that I judge myself. Do I want to change ? Obviously not enough or I would have done a better job of it each time Ive tried in the past. Strangely although my size draws attention it also allows me to hide within myself - most people dont appear to expect the fatty to have an opinion on anything more important than when their next meal is I find this incredibly sad to read. Firstly that you would feel the need to hide your profile to avoid nasty messages from people on here. I've been posting on the forums for years and think I can count on one hand the number of nasty emails I've had about my size (I've had lots abouty opinions but thats different lol). Secondly because you think that people don't respect your opinions just because of your size. Why do you feel that everyone that mentions your obesity is judgmental? Do you think it's because of your attitude towards it? The original post from the OP asked how can health professionals approach people about obesity without appearing judgemental I was trying to explain that they cant because being judgemental about ourselves is hardwired into many of us Ive met a dominant guy from site for a number of years now - im well aware my size isnt an issue for everyone and Im as comfortable in my skin as many of my skinny friends are in theirs lol Reducing the patient's perception of judgement is totally my point, thank you. Could it be the person is perceiving judgement that isn't actually there? It sounds like some people's sensitivity on the subject causes them to project onto others. Yes, projecting their self judgement. So the judgement is imagined then. How is that the health professional's fault? It's not. It is down to the professional to be tactful though." Any maybe the patient could be less sensitive? | |||
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"I'm in desperate need of losing weight. My size depresses me, I am constantly self conscious and find it impossible to think anyone could ever be attracted to me. Before I had my son I lost 7 stone. But I was obsessed, and in the gym for 2 hours every day. I chose that over friends, family, social life, everything. And even then I was still classed as overweight. I definitely do over eat. I convince myself the diet will start tomorrow but I use food to deal with my emotions. In addition I have fibromyalgia which means I get severe and chronic pain and fatigue. It relapses, 3 months ago I was going to the gym or swimming at least three times a week. I relapsed and now some days I struggle to get the energy to walk my son to school. The medication I'm on has also helped pile the weight on. I would LOVE my GP or my consultant to bring up the subject of weight management and give me some support. I feel like I've just given up as it seems an impossible task. Well this was cheery..... " Could you being it up with your GP? I'm sure they'd be more than happy to help. I hope you get the support you need. | |||
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"I'm in desperate need of losing weight. My size depresses me, I am constantly self conscious and find it impossible to think anyone could ever be attracted to me. Before I had my son I lost 7 stone. But I was obsessed, and in the gym for 2 hours every day. I chose that over friends, family, social life, everything. And even then I was still classed as overweight. I definitely do over eat. I convince myself the diet will start tomorrow but I use food to deal with my emotions. In addition I have fibromyalgia which means I get severe and chronic pain and fatigue. It relapses, 3 months ago I was going to the gym or swimming at least three times a week. I relapsed and now some days I struggle to get the energy to walk my son to school. The medication I'm on has also helped pile the weight on. I would LOVE my GP or my consultant to bring up the subject of weight management and give me some support. I feel like I've just given up as it seems an impossible task. Well this was cheery..... Could you being it up with your GP? I'm sure they'd be more than happy to help. I hope you get the support you need." I have - but they are more concerned with getting my medication right atm. I'm on a GP referral for the gym but when I'm bad I can't go because of the pain. Fibro is supposed to be treated with a graded exercise programme and health doesn't offer that in my area. The thing is I don't want to be one of those fat people who makes excuses. I want to be well enough to tackle this. But it's a hard balancing act because if I do too much it can wipe me out for weeks. I really am the voice of positivity tonight | |||
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"I'm in desperate need of losing weight. My size depresses me, I am constantly self conscious and find it impossible to think anyone could ever be attracted to me. Before I had my son I lost 7 stone. But I was obsessed, and in the gym for 2 hours every day. I chose that over friends, family, social life, everything. And even then I was still classed as overweight. I definitely do over eat. I convince myself the diet will start tomorrow but I use food to deal with my emotions. In addition I have fibromyalgia which means I get severe and chronic pain and fatigue. It relapses, 3 months ago I was going to the gym or swimming at least three times a week. I relapsed and now some days I struggle to get the energy to walk my son to school. The medication I'm on has also helped pile the weight on. I would LOVE my GP or my consultant to bring up the subject of weight management and give me some support. I feel like I've just given up as it seems an impossible task. Well this was cheery..... Could you being it up with your GP? I'm sure they'd be more than happy to help. I hope you get the support you need. I have - but they are more concerned with getting my medication right atm. I'm on a GP referral for the gym but when I'm bad I can't go because of the pain. Fibro is supposed to be treated with a graded exercise programme and health doesn't offer that in my area. The thing is I don't want to be one of those fat people who makes excuses. I want to be well enough to tackle this. But it's a hard balancing act because if I do too much it can wipe me out for weeks. I really am the voice of positivity tonight "Maybe the issue with your medication takes precedence and they will tackle your weight problems after. | |||
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"I'm in desperate need of losing weight. My size depresses me, I am constantly self conscious and find it impossible to think anyone could ever be attracted to me. Before I had my son I lost 7 stone. But I was obsessed, and in the gym for 2 hours every day. I chose that over friends, family, social life, everything. And even then I was still classed as overweight. I definitely do over eat. I convince myself the diet will start tomorrow but I use food to deal with my emotions. In addition I have fibromyalgia which means I get severe and chronic pain and fatigue. It relapses, 3 months ago I was going to the gym or swimming at least three times a week. I relapsed and now some days I struggle to get the energy to walk my son to school. The medication I'm on has also helped pile the weight on. I would LOVE my GP or my consultant to bring up the subject of weight management and give me some support. I feel like I've just given up as it seems an impossible task. Well this was cheery..... " Have a look at the weight loss/healthy eating thread. | |||
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"Still no examples of being judged for being obese in the real world. Interesting. " I work with 2 gym / diet obsessed women - appearance is everything to them. They're judging me. One of them told me last week that I need to get a grip on my weight gain - and she's right! I'm not offended. I wish I could be a fly on the wall though and hear what they say behind my back | |||
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"Still no examples of being judged for being obese in the real world. Interesting. I work with 2 gym / diet obsessed women - appearance is everything to them. They're judging me. One of them told me last week that I need to get a grip on my weight gain - and she's right! I'm not offended. I wish I could be a fly on the wall though and hear what they say behind my back "I’m sure they’d be saying how lovely you are ! | |||
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"Still no examples of being judged for being obese in the real world. Interesting. I work with 2 gym / diet obsessed women - appearance is everything to them. They're judging me. One of them told me last week that I need to get a grip on my weight gain - and she's right! I'm not offended. I wish I could be a fly on the wall though and hear what they say behind my back
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"Still no examples of being judged for being obese in the real world. Interesting. I work with 2 gym / diet obsessed women - appearance is everything to them. They're judging me. One of them told me last week that I need to get a grip on my weight gain - and she's right! I'm not offended. I wish I could be a fly on the wall though and hear what they say behind my back
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"Still no examples of being judged for being obese in the real world. Interesting. I work with 2 gym / diet obsessed women - appearance is everything to them. They're judging me. One of them told me last week that I need to get a grip on my weight gain - and she's right! I'm not offended. I wish I could be a fly on the wall though and hear what they say behind my back "I know slim women who get judged (borderline bullied) by other women for their size. I was interested in hearing about health professionals that do it. | |||
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