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"A lot of governing bodies have stated that the BMI chart is flawed and should not be used as a tool." The BMI chart is increasingly obsolete. Humans as a species are growing all the time and if you look at the general height of a local population for example we are all generally taller than we we're 100 years ago. This makes the scale for BMI wrong. | |||
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"Non-judge mental! I want to know your thoughts about any aspect of obesity, particularly if you are obese. Using the BMI as a guiding tool, i am classified as obese. I don't look obese simply because i am under average size - 14. Do i want to be obese? Do i accept my body shape? Do i do anything about it? Do i wish to be accepted as a BBW? How much is it part of my identity? What knowledge do i have or need to help myself? Do i know the health risks associated with obesity? Ask yourself the above questions and more. As for me, i have a pretty good knowledge and understand the causes (PCOS) - a hormonal dysfunction. I have a fantastic relationship with food but my metabolism is completely shit. Which means calories in and out is a useless formula of weight loss. Do you know the aspects of comfort eating? I can share and you'll understand why comfort eating is a very real disorder and not some lay term excuse. " Only 1 comment, any measurements using the bmi as a guideline are utterly pointless and any medical professional using them needs retraining. They are based on an average post war body during rationing, not healthy body mass at all. All elite strength and power athletes are obese or worse according to the Bmi. My Bmi comes in at about 28-30 and yet body fat is about 11¬13% l, its utter nonsense. If you're overweight it's easy to tell, but please don't use bmi, it's a measuremsnt to cause eating disorders. | |||
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"To continue: If a healthcare professional wants to help you regarding this obesity disease - how should they approach you without appearing judge mental?" I'd respond better to a collaborative approach, potentially a dietician /health service, where emotional and lifestyle factors are covered. Outcome focused and longer term, rather than short sharp shock. I think the latter could push me more towards 1 dimensional yoyo dieting, rather than looking at more of the factors involved in my situation. | |||
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"A lot of governing bodies have stated that the BMI chart is flawed and should not be used as a tool. The BMI chart is increasingly obsolete. Humans as a species are growing all the time and if you look at the general height of a local population for example we are all generally taller than we we're 100 years ago. This makes the scale for BMI wrong." The scales may very well be no longer accurate but that doesn't mean the epidemic of young people who are unhealthily inactive and overweight is imaginary. Whatever scale is used - we are making ourselves a problem for future years ..we legislate that people must wear seatbelts in cars or crash hats on motorbikes or should stop at zebra crossings...yet clinical obesity and related diseases is just as deadly. Meanwhile back in the swinging world... | |||
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"Non-judge mental! I want to know your thoughts about any aspect of obesity, particularly if you are obese. Using the BMI as a guiding tool, i am classified as obese. I don't look obese simply because i am under average size - 14. Do i want to be obese? Do i accept my body shape? Do i do anything about it? Do i wish to be accepted as a BBW? How much is it part of my identity? What knowledge do i have or need to help myself? Do i know the health risks associated with obesity? Ask yourself the above questions and more. As for me, i have a pretty good knowledge and understand the causes (PCOS) - a hormonal dysfunction. I have a fantastic relationship with food but my metabolism is completely shit. Which means calories in and out is a useless formula of weight loss. Do you know the aspects of comfort eating? I can share and you'll understand why comfort eating is a very real disorder and not some lay term excuse. Only 1 comment, any measurements using the bmi as a guideline are utterly pointless and any medical professional using them needs retraining. They are based on an average post war body during rationing, not healthy body mass at all. All elite strength and power athletes are obese or worse according to the Bmi. My Bmi comes in at about 28-30 and yet body fat is about 11¬13% l, its utter nonsense. If you're overweight it's easy to tell, but please don't use bmi, it's a measuremsnt to cause eating disorders. " You are wrong - BMI tool is still the best GUIDING tool we have. The education of professionals is the knowledge i put in my earlier post. | |||
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"I’ve lost 7 stone and I’m still classed as obese..... "I've lost 9 stone and am also ... I think it's a load of shit. I am still fat, but wouldn't necessarily feel that I'm obese  | |||
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"O have poor sleeping patterns and this affects how I eat - and research evidence suggests that this is a common driver for gaining weight. I also comfort eat, often when tired, which is connected to the former. I can understand how obesity is an incredibly complex problem for people and that the issue is loaded with ignorance and unhealthy blaming. In addition to the personal health, psychology and lifestyle elements, it's incredible laziness on the part of the blamers, who only want it to be about calories in and out. Such an inane approach is harming the nation, where it works as a deterrent as well as hitting people emotionally. I've got elements against me remaining very slim, including genetics in all likelihood, sleeping and health problems alongside some habits like comfort eating. " Thank you for the input. It is a disease (we are actually waiting for disease classification -BDA, 2018) that has many components that need addressing. | |||
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"I’ve lost 7 stone and I’m still classed as obese..... "You look amazing  | |||
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"Just because BMI chart is obsolete doesn't mean we don't have an obesity problem in this country " It's not and we do. FACT: 27% of adult population in England are obese. 60% are overweight. Almost all obese people will get non alcoholic fatty liver disease and die before they are 75. | |||
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"To continue: If a healthcare professional wants to help you regarding this obesity disease - how should they approach you without appearing judge mental? I'd respond better to a collaborative approach, potentially a dietician /health service, where emotional and lifestyle factors are covered. Outcome focused and longer term, rather than short sharp shock. I think the latter could push me more towards 1 dimensional yoyo dieting, rather than looking at more of the factors involved in my situation. " All care should be patient-centred. And it is more geared at collaboration with referrals to somewhere like slimming world, gyms... Lifestyle changes. | |||
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"I’ve lost 7 stone and I’m still classed as obese..... "You are doing brilliantly. I hope you feel healthier as a result. | |||
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"I’ve lost 7 stone and I’m still classed as obese.....
I've lost 9 stone and am also ... I think it's a load of shit.
I am still fat, but wouldn't necessarily feel that I'm obese "Don't worry so much about labels. Acknowledge you have done well. | |||
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"I’ve lost 7 stone and I’m still classed as obese..... "Me too . Was a size 22 . Lost weight. Now a size 14 . Happy now. But according to my height being only 5ft I'm obese. Congrats on your weight loss x | |||
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"I think we have a population level problem, but individual solutions are challenging. No one knows why another person is overweight, except possibly them and their doctor/ healthcare team. Weight issues are likely to be multifaceted and way harder than "eat less, move more". Why are people eating more? What options do they have? What health issues exacerbate the eating or the lack of moving? What are broader social, economic, and cultural factors? It's very easy to shame people, but very difficult to implement solutions that will actually make a difference. " We do live in an obsegenic environment. And still eateries are getting permission to build their fast food franchises. | |||
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"Yep BMI is useless, when I had my medical for the army a few years ago they said I was borderline obese, despite my body looking just like it does in my pics on here! Definitely not obese!" You can still be obese. It’s a simple measure of your weight in kilos divided by the square of your height in metres. Your weight is higher as a result of huge muscle bulk. So you’re classified as obese. Are you fat? No. Are you unhealthy? Probably not. But the great majority of people that weigh more than they should do not have the same reasons as you do (it might just be fat rather than muscle) | |||
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"I think we have a population level problem, but individual solutions are challenging. No one knows why another person is overweight, except possibly them and their doctor/ healthcare team. Weight issues are likely to be multifaceted and way harder than "eat less, move more". Why are people eating more? What options do they have? What health issues exacerbate the eating or the lack of moving? What are broader social, economic, and cultural factors? It's very easy to shame people, but very difficult to implement solutions that will actually make a difference. " Absolutely agree and it seems the OP knows much more about this than i ever will. But i'm not sure that people are being " shamed" per se...people seem very sensitive to the word obese and are quick to take offence, and also seem to be concerned about looking fantastic externally...when people look in a mirror they see what they want to see not necessarily how much fat there is stored around internal organs as an example. | |||
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" I've lost 9 stone and am also ... I think it's a load of shit. I am still fat, but wouldn't necessarily feel that I'm obese
Don't worry so much about labels. Acknowledge you have done well."Oh I do! My health is phenomenally better and my confidence in myself is on fire ... And I am still losing and exercising. Therefore I actually don't care what other people say (esp the keyboard warriors on here who enjoy sending abuse privately-thank you all ) ... I've done brilliantly and I am still going in the right direction  | |||
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"I’ve lost 7 stone and I’m still classed as obese.....
I've lost 9 stone and am also ... I think it's a load of shit.
I am still fat, but wouldn't necessarily feel that I'm obese "That's a mind blowing achievement. Was it hard ? | |||
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"BMI is the best measure we have. Needs no special equipment and is proven to correlate with health outcomes If it’s good enough for the world health organisation why isn’t it for the UK? Regards height, that’s the biggest misnomer, the weight is divided by the square of the height. Square a larger number and you end up with a massive one, so reduces BMI for a given weight by an even bigger degree. Weight loss per se is always about calorie balance. The weight has to come from somewhere, it’s the food! ‘Hormonal’ and other so-called medical problems really are completely irrelevant. What your saying is, you have to eat less to maintain the same weight. In any other context that’s a good thing. Except in the developed world where we have a surplus of food and a tendency towards greed. Obesity being the natural conclusion. Stop blaming healthcare professionals. They can advise but ultimately it’s the person concerned who actually puts the food into their mouth. I know this is unpopular, but pussyfooting around the issue, and making efforts to engage and not offend by the healthcare/media/government along with medicalising the problem is a massive contributing factor in the obesity epidemic. I think people who are obese would eventually feel better if they stopped blaming external factors and actually took control of their lifestyles. Yes, I acknowledge that in a minority of cases there are other factors at play. And in these support and guidance may be required. In the great majority of times though it’s about making the decision to adopt a healthy lifestyle that is susatianable for ever rather than looking for quick fixes and things to blame " You're not wrong and even with hormonal problems you can lose weight - one has to accept that you may lose half a pound it takes another person to lose half a stone. Also to ensure every calorie you intake is not nutritionally empty. But careful, comfort eating has a very real biological cause. | |||
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"To continue: If a healthcare professional wants to help you regarding this obesity disease - how should they approach you without appearing judge mental?" Well for starters they probably shouldn’t be obese themselves, a lot of healthcare professionals are over weight and when I still them doing health promotion it stinks of hypocrisy. | |||
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"I’ve lost 7 stone and I’m still classed as obese..... Me too . Was a size 22 . Lost weight. Now a size 14 . Happy now. But according to my height being only 5ft I'm obese.
Congrats on your weight loss x "Congratulations | |||
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"I think we have a population level problem, but individual solutions are challenging. No one knows why another person is overweight, except possibly them and their doctor/ healthcare team. Weight issues are likely to be multifaceted and way harder than "eat less, move more". Why are people eating more? What options do they have? What health issues exacerbate the eating or the lack of moving? What are broader social, economic, and cultural factors? It's very easy to shame people, but very difficult to implement solutions that will actually make a difference. Absolutely agree and it seems the OP knows much more about this than i ever will. But i'm not sure that people are being " shamed" per se...people seem very sensitive to the word obese and are quick to take offence, and also seem to be concerned about looking fantastic externally...when people look in a mirror they see what they want to see not necessarily how much fat there is stored around internal organs as an example. " I have seen post mortems - the visceral fat of a, possibly morbidly obese person (40+ bmi), was horrendous. I hadn't considered the damaged to the organs due to fat surrounding them but due to adipose tissue. | |||
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" I've lost 9 stone and am also ... I think it's a load of shit. I am still fat, but wouldn't necessarily feel that I'm obese
Don't worry so much about labels. Acknowledge you have done well.
Oh I do! My health is phenomenally better and my confidence in myself is on fire ... And I am still losing and exercising.
Therefore I actually don't care what other people say (esp the keyboard warriors on here who enjoy sending abuse privately-thank you all ) ... I've done brilliantly and I am still going in the right direction "I'm sorry you're being treated this way. They are sad little people. | |||
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"To continue: If a healthcare professional wants to help you regarding this obesity disease - how should they approach you without appearing judge mental? Well for starters they probably shouldn’t be obese themselves, a lot of healthcare professionals are over weight and when I still them doing health promotion it stinks of hypocrisy. " That is judgemental, perhaps they are getting the same help as they want to give their patients. | |||
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"I’ve lost 7 stone and I’m still classed as obese.....
I've lost 9 stone and am also ... I think it's a load of shit.
I am still fat, but wouldn't necessarily feel that I'm obese
That's a mind blowing achievement. Was it hard ? "Not at all, but it's harder now that I have only about two stone to go. | |||
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"I think we have a population level problem, but individual solutions are challenging. No one knows why another person is overweight, except possibly them and their doctor/ healthcare team. Weight issues are likely to be multifaceted and way harder than "eat less, move more". Why are people eating more? What options do they have? What health issues exacerbate the eating or the lack of moving? What are broader social, economic, and cultural factors? It's very easy to shame people, but very difficult to implement solutions that will actually make a difference. Absolutely agree and it seems the OP knows much more about this than i ever will. But i'm not sure that people are being " shamed" per se...people seem very sensitive to the word obese and are quick to take offence, and also seem to be concerned about looking fantastic externally...when people look in a mirror they see what they want to see not necessarily how much fat there is stored around internal organs as an example. " Not necessarily on this thread, but in general. I'm obese according to the BMI, and I know I'm overweight. I have a variety of health issues which contribute to that, as well as external factors which mean I tend to eat more and move less. I'm well aware of my shortcomings and challenges. I've been told all of my medical issues are just excuses and been given really basic, condescending information by people who think I'm stupid just because I'm fat. Yes, thanks, I'm aware of vegetables and that walking is good for me. Who knew? Thank you, oh glorious thin person, I never would have guessed. I thought I could be a size 6 sitting on my arse eating sweets. (not aimed at anyone on this thread) Part of what's helping me is improving my self confidence and finding reasons for wanting to change. Reasons based on hope and confidence rather than fear, disgust, and shame. Society wants to focus too much on the latter. Shame and depression correlate with weight gain. | |||
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"I think we have a population level problem, but individual solutions are challenging. No one knows why another person is overweight, except possibly them and their doctor/ healthcare team. Weight issues are likely to be multifaceted and way harder than "eat less, move more". Why are people eating more? What options do they have? What health issues exacerbate the eating or the lack of moving? What are broader social, economic, and cultural factors? It's very easy to shame people, but very difficult to implement solutions that will actually make a difference. Absolutely agree and it seems the OP knows much more about this than i ever will. But i'm not sure that people are being " shamed" per se...people seem very sensitive to the word obese and are quick to take offence, and also seem to be concerned about looking fantastic externally...when people look in a mirror they see what they want to see not necessarily how much fat there is stored around internal organs as an example. Not necessarily on this thread, but in general. I'm obese according to the BMI, and I know I'm overweight. I have a variety of health issues which contribute to that, as well as external factors which mean I tend to eat more and move less. I'm well aware of my shortcomings and challenges. I've been told all of my medical issues are just excuses and been given really basic, condescending information by people who think I'm stupid just because I'm fat. Yes, thanks, I'm aware of vegetables and that walking is good for me. Who knew? Thank you, oh glorious thin person, I never would have guessed. I thought I could be a size 6 sitting on my arse eating sweets. (not aimed at anyone on this thread) Part of what's helping me is improving my self confidence and finding reasons for wanting to change. Reasons based on hope and confidence rather than fear, disgust, and shame. Society wants to focus too much on the latter. Shame and depression correlate with weight gain. " Sadly societal generalisations don't help (which is why there's a move to reclassify obesity as a disease). But due to the generalisations people become defensive of their fatness. So how can professionals project a non judgemental stance? | |||
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"To continue: If a healthcare professional wants to help you regarding this obesity disease - how should they approach you without appearing judge mental?" I don't think they can. Surely most people know if they are fat. Diet information is readily available. If they don't want to lose weight they won't. Maybe they should start putting post mortem pics of massively obese people on crisp packets. | |||
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when i had my mid life health check, the nurse ( who was quite a big girl but i don't hold that against her- she was lovely and funny )said according to her chart i needed to lose 2 stone....she looked me up and down and said " there'd be bugger all left of you"
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"Should not go by bmi but general health if you are healthy or not x" How do you measure general health? | |||
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"OP- do you think there’s a difference (or not) between being non-judgemental and being objective. Seeing as this is going to be he biggest health challenge of the next century, is it the attitude of the medics towards obesity that needs to change, or that of the public?" As I'm only interested in how patients perceive the healthcare professionals and why, objective v nonjudgement is a moot point. However, if a professional is judgemental, their attitude must change, as well as society's attitude re fat-shaming/defensive. | |||
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"Most fat people know they're fat. We get told one way or another every day. But if someone is fat because they have issues accessing healthy food, or have underlying physical or psychological issues, or other social issues which cause/ exacerbate the problem... a healthcare professional simply saying "You're fat/ overweight/ obese" solves nothing. I've seen way too many health professionals who are insistent that I'm just bad somehow, tell me I'm lying when I tell them I cook for myself with usually 3/4 vegetables on my plate (less of half of which is potato), tell me I'm lying when I tell them about the gym... It just makes me not want to go back and get the help I need. I don't think anyone's saying that people should lie about weight, but maybe consider that excess weight isn't the only problem, might be a symptom, and the person might already be working on it? Maybe treat fat people like people worthy of respect? " Sadly some professionals aren't as knowledgeable as others. I told a practice nurse "don't go there" on a well-woman visit. When she was about to discuss my weight and associated risks. I will not engage with someone who thinks it's a basic issue of calories in and out. | |||
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"In response to the above - I’m fat. Obviously so. I never ever get told I’m fat or a bad person with no self control etc. Not even in a recent pre op appointment. Some people can misconstrue what others are telling them if they’re overly sensitive and in effect fat shame themselves. I am fat. It is an issue. I am resolving it. On my own and without NHS interventions. Ladies above who have conquered the fat. You look fantastic and I hope to join you! " But how should professionals overcome their patient's sensitivity? | |||
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"To continue: If a healthcare professional wants to help you regarding this obesity disease - how should they approach you without appearing judge mental? I don't think they can. Surely most people know if they are fat. Diet information is readily available. If they don't want to lose weight they won't. Maybe they should start putting post mortem pics of massively obese people on crisp packets. " No pun but obesity is so much bigger than just dieting. | |||
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"Should not go by bmi but general health if you are healthy or not x How do you measure general health?"
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"Yep BMI is useless, when I had my medical for the army a few years ago they said I was borderline obese, despite my body looking just like it does in my pics on here! Definitely not obese!" BMI alone is flawed for the reasons you say, because it uses excessive weight for your height, but weight can be fat or muscle. I recently had a Nuffield health check and the BMI result was 'slightly overweight', but this was offset by a waist to hip ratio measurement which apparently shows that my excess weight is carried as muscle, not fat, so it's fine. I didn't really care as the girl doing my check was hot... | |||
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"I hate the term that obesity is called an epidemic. As if you can catch the fat (about as probable as catching the ghey) As a country we could help ourselves with consistent education regarding food and exercise from a young age (Oh whoops, we sold off all the school fields and closed the kitchens) so people could all cook by the time they left school. Combine this with increased tax on processed food and making healthy options more affordable, the NHS would be better able to help those with medical issues affecting weight, rather than poor lifestyle choices. The biggest step is always the one where the individual realises they need to make a change and resolve to make those changes." The NHS does want to educate people and support them to make positive lifestyle choices. It's not altruism but looking to reduce expenditure on predicted health costs. | |||
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"I lost 12 1/2 stone. Went from 22 and 1/2 stone to 9 stone 3lb. Was a size 10 and my bmi was still only just inside the healthy range" A very well done to a healthier you. | |||
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"I lost 12 1/2 stone. Went from 22 and 1/2 stone to 9 stone 3lb. Was a size 10 and my bmi was still only just inside the healthy range A very well done to a healthier you." put some back on now | |||
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"I hate the term that obesity is called an epidemic. As if you can catch the fat (about as probable as catching the ghey) As a country we could help ourselves with consistent education regarding food and exercise from a young age (Oh whoops, we sold off all the school fields and closed the kitchens) so people could all cook by the time they left school. Combine this with increased tax on processed food and making healthy options more affordable, the NHS would be better able to help those with medical issues affecting weight, rather than poor lifestyle choices. The biggest step is always the one where the individual realises they need to make a change and resolve to make those changes. The NHS does want to educate people and support them to make positive lifestyle choices. It's not altruism but looking to reduce expenditure on predicted health costs." So true, however it needs a buy in from the customers. I have seen news articles where massively overweight children (Which I find very worrying) were being treated and parents were sneaking in McDonald's as the poor little darlings complained about the food.. There was an article recently about the NHS refusing to treat a 17st 10yo. His mum freely admitted he ate nothing but fast food and constantly snacked on biscuits etc. The medical advice was for him to stop eating crap and go outside and play and they would review in 2 yrs. As it was the mother enabling this diet, could this be considered child abuse? | |||
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"OP- do you think there’s a difference (or not) between being non-judgemental and being objective. Seeing as this is going to be he biggest health challenge of the next century, is it the attitude of the medics towards obesity that needs to change, or that of the public? As I'm only interested in how patients perceive the healthcare professionals and why, objective v nonjudgement is a moot point. However, if a professional is judgemental, their attitude must change, as well as society's attitude re fat-shaming/defensive." Surely that’s the point. It’s nigh on impossible to get a less objective measurement than a number in kg/m2. The definitions are not made by the person that does the measurements or the maths. Callling the medics judgemental because they give you the news that a measurement is outside the normal range is unfair. They are simply doing their job, and would be unprofessional and not acting in your best interest if they didn’t. To this end, I challenge that it’s the patients own perception of terms used, and not the terms themselves that are the issue. Nobody has been fat-Shamed if they were told they had a high BMI. As other posters have said, they know what they issues are, independent of a term or a definition. The world health organisation defined the terms and set the numbers for people’s benefit. Not so they could get defensive about it | |||
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"BMI isn’t perfect - it was developed in the 1830’s by a mathematician However it is a measure. Reduce the measure and you are reducing your obesity. Short of chopping off a bit of leg, you can’t do anything about the height element so reduced BMI comes from reduced weight." It was developed by a mathematician to be self correcting. It is the SQUARE of your height that’s used. That’s why it’s accurate without you cutting your leg off | |||
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"I used to road race and time trial in my late teens, early twenties. You could see my ribs, but my thighs were like tree trunks, I was classed as obese back then." Fify | |||
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"OP- do you think there’s a difference (or not) between being non-judgemental and being objective. Seeing as this is going to be he biggest health challenge of the next century, is it the attitude of the medics towards obesity that needs to change, or that of the public? As I'm only interested in how patients perceive the healthcare professionals and why, objective v nonjudgement is a moot point. However, if a professional is judgemental, their attitude must change, as well as society's attitude re fat-shaming/defensive. Surely that’s the point. It’s nigh on impossible to get a less objective measurement than a number in kg/m2. The definitions are not made by the person that does the measurements or the maths. Callling the medics judgemental because they give you the news that a measurement is outside the normal range is unfair. They are simply doing their job, and would be unprofessional and not acting in your best interest if they didn’t. To this end, I challenge that it’s the patients own perception of terms used, and not the terms themselves that are the issue. Nobody has been fat-Shamed if they were told they had a high BMI. As other posters have said, they know what they issues are, independent of a term or a definition. The world health organisation defined the terms and set the numbers for people’s benefit. Not so they could get defensive about it" You're not telling me anything i don't already know. What i don't know is how people want professionals to approach them to help them help themselves. | |||
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"A lot of governing bodies have stated that the BMI chart is flawed and should not be used as a tool. The BMI chart is increasingly obsolete. Humans as a species are growing all the time and if you look at the general height of a local population for example we are all generally taller than we we're 100 years ago. This makes the scale for BMI wrong." Exactly. Its obvious if someone is fat. Drs should be able to tell people that they're fat, rather than "you have a BMI of 32, so lay off the cakes". | |||
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"Should not go by bmi but general health if you are healthy or not x How do you measure general health?" Blood pressure, cholesterol, blood tests etc x | |||
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"A lot of governing bodies have stated that the BMI chart is flawed and should not be used as a tool." It’s extreamly flawed. I’m obese, but not fat. That said, ‘weight’ is still an issue | |||
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"Should not go by bmi but general health if you are healthy or not x How do you measure general health? Blood pressure, cholesterol, blood tests etc x" Blood tests? For what? And you check those on a regular basis and understand the healthy ranges for all of them? | |||
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"Should not go by bmi but general health if you are healthy or not x How do you measure general health? Blood pressure, cholesterol, blood tests etc x" So people should have these tests just to determine general health? They cost money. | |||
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"Non-judge mental! I want to know your thoughts about any aspect of obesity, particularly if you are obese. Using the BMI as a guiding tool, i am classified as obese. I don't look obese simply because i am under average size - 14. Do i want to be obese? Do i accept my body shape? Do i do anything about it? Do i wish to be accepted as a BBW? How much is it part of my identity? What knowledge do i have or need to help myself? Do i know the health risks associated with obesity? Ask yourself the above questions and more. As for me, i have a pretty good knowledge and understand the causes (PCOS) - a hormonal dysfunction. I have a fantastic relationship with food but my metabolism is completely shit. Which means calories in and out is a useless formula of weight loss. Do you know the aspects of comfort eating? I can share and you'll understand why comfort eating is a very real disorder and not some lay term excuse. Only 1 comment, any measurements using the bmi as a guideline are utterly pointless and any medical professional using them needs retraining. They are based on an average post war body during rationing, not healthy body mass at all. All elite strength and power athletes are obese or worse according to the Bmi. My Bmi comes in at about 28-30 and yet body fat is about 11¬13% l, its utter nonsense. If you're overweight it's easy to tell, but please don't use bmi, it's a measuremsnt to cause eating disorders. You are wrong - BMI tool is still the best GUIDING tool we have. The education of professionals is the knowledge i put in my earlier post." I strongly disagree, just because it is the best doesn't mean its any good and should be used. It shouldn't. I have studied this in great scientific detail, you may have done the same, however we have come to different conclusions. | |||
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"Non-judge mental! I want to know your thoughts about any aspect of obesity, particularly if you are obese. Using the BMI as a guiding tool, i am classified as obese. I don't look obese simply because i am under average size - 14. Do i want to be obese? Do i accept my body shape? Do i do anything about it? Do i wish to be accepted as a BBW? How much is it part of my identity? What knowledge do i have or need to help myself? Do i know the health risks associated with obesity? Ask yourself the above questions and more. As for me, i have a pretty good knowledge and understand the causes (PCOS) - a hormonal dysfunction. I have a fantastic relationship with food but my metabolism is completely shit. Which means calories in and out is a useless formula of weight loss. Do you know the aspects of comfort eating? I can share and you'll understand why comfort eating is a very real disorder and not some lay term excuse. Only 1 comment, any measurements using the bmi as a guideline are utterly pointless and any medical professional using them needs retraining. They are based on an average post war body during rationing, not healthy body mass at all. All elite strength and power athletes are obese or worse according to the Bmi. My Bmi comes in at about 28-30 and yet body fat is about 11¬13% l, its utter nonsense. If you're overweight it's easy to tell, but please don't use bmi, it's a measuremsnt to cause eating disorders. You are wrong - BMI tool is still the best GUIDING tool we have. The education of professionals is the knowledge i put in my earlier post. I strongly disagree, just because it is the best doesn't mean its any good and should be used. It shouldn't. I have studied this in great scientific detail, you may have done the same, however we have come to different conclusions. " Oh do share your results and what your alternative tool would be. Of course you'll be aware of other tools that have been designed and still not advocated by NICE guidelines and WHO. | |||
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"Non-judge mental! I want to know your thoughts about any aspect of obesity, particularly if you are obese. Using the BMI as a guiding tool, i am classified as obese. I don't look obese simply because i am under average size - 14. Do i want to be obese? Do i accept my body shape? Do i do anything about it? Do i wish to be accepted as a BBW? How much is it part of my identity? What knowledge do i have or need to help myself? Do i know the health risks associated with obesity? Ask yourself the above questions and more. As for me, i have a pretty good knowledge and understand the causes (PCOS) - a hormonal dysfunction. I have a fantastic relationship with food but my metabolism is completely shit. Which means calories in and out is a useless formula of weight loss. Do you know the aspects of comfort eating? I can share and you'll understand why comfort eating is a very real disorder and not some lay term excuse. Only 1 comment, any measurements using the bmi as a guideline are utterly pointless and any medical professional using them needs retraining. They are based on an average post war body during rationing, not healthy body mass at all. All elite strength and power athletes are obese or worse according to the Bmi. My Bmi comes in at about 28-30 and yet body fat is about 11¬13% l, its utter nonsense. If you're overweight it's easy to tell, but please don't use bmi, it's a measuremsnt to cause eating disorders. You are wrong - BMI tool is still the best GUIDING tool we have. The education of professionals is the knowledge i put in my earlier post. I strongly disagree, just because it is the best doesn't mean its any good and should be used. It shouldn't. I have studied this in great scientific detail, you may have done the same, however we have come to different conclusions. Oh do share your results and what your alternative tool would be. Of course you'll be aware of other tools that have been designed and still not advocated by NICE guidelines and WHO. " No alternative tool, unfortunately the human body doesn't fit into pigeon holes well. How can you compare the healthy bodyweight of a naturally very slim person with the bodyweight of a top end power lifter, or sprinter or rugby player. You can't. So you need to use other tools, like observation, lifestyle, cardio ability, body fat %, now that is a good one, but hard to do properly. Stair climbing, etc. I'm afraid it makes jobs harder but so much more accurate than just entering a figure onto a chart that was barely relevant in the 50s. Sometimes things can't be simplified as much as we'd like. | |||
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"Yep BMI is useless, when I had my medical for the army a few years ago they said I was borderline obese, despite my body looking just like it does in my pics on here! Definitely not obese! You can still be obese. It’s a simple measure of your weight in kilos divided by the square of your height in metres. Your weight is higher as a result of huge muscle bulk. So you’re classified as obese. Are you fat? No. Are you unhealthy? Probably not. But the great majority of people that weigh more than they should do not have the same reasons as you do (it might just be fat rather than muscle)" This is because BMI was designed to measure populations, not individuals. Body fat percentage would be a much more useful measure. | |||
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"Non-judge mental! I want to know your thoughts about any aspect of obesity, particularly if you are obese. Using the BMI as a guiding tool, i am classified as obese. I don't look obese simply because i am under average size - 14. Do i want to be obese? Do i accept my body shape? Do i do anything about it? Do i wish to be accepted as a BBW? How much is it part of my identity? What knowledge do i have or need to help myself? Do i know the health risks associated with obesity? Ask yourself the above questions and more. As for me, i have a pretty good knowledge and understand the causes (PCOS) - a hormonal dysfunction. I have a fantastic relationship with food but my metabolism is completely shit. Which means calories in and out is a useless formula of weight loss. Do you know the aspects of comfort eating? I can share and you'll understand why comfort eating is a very real disorder and not some lay term excuse. Only 1 comment, any measurements using the bmi as a guideline are utterly pointless and any medical professional using them needs retraining. They are based on an average post war body during rationing, not healthy body mass at all. All elite strength and power athletes are obese or worse according to the Bmi. My Bmi comes in at about 28-30 and yet body fat is about 11¬13% l, its utter nonsense. If you're overweight it's easy to tell, but please don't use bmi, it's a measuremsnt to cause eating disorders. You are wrong - BMI tool is still the best GUIDING tool we have. The education of professionals is the knowledge i put in my earlier post. I strongly disagree, just because it is the best doesn't mean its any good and should be used. It shouldn't. I have studied this in great scientific detail, you may have done the same, however we have come to different conclusions. Oh do share your results and what your alternative tool would be. Of course you'll be aware of other tools that have been designed and still not advocated by NICE guidelines and WHO. No alternative tool, unfortunately the human body doesn't fit into pigeon holes well. How can you compare the healthy bodyweight of a naturally very slim person with the bodyweight of a top end power lifter, or sprinter or rugby player. You can't. So you need to use other tools, like observation, lifestyle, cardio ability, body fat %, now that is a good one, but hard to do properly. Stair climbing, etc. I'm afraid it makes jobs harder but so much more accurate than just entering a figure onto a chart that was barely relevant in the 50s. Sometimes things can't be simplified as much as we'd like. " All i see is time and money - do you not realise there are huge staff shortages amongst healthcare professionals? It is a guiding tool amongst other tools that is used as part of an admission process in hospitals. | |||
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"I’ve lost 7 stone and I’m still classed as obese.....
You look amazing "Thank you x | |||
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"I’ve lost a lot of weight and gone down 6 dress sizes but still classed as obese. Yes I know what caused it and how to help myself. But it’s not very simple as people believe, there are many factors that contribute to becoming overweight, and too much food is only one of them. I was lucky I had the help of a non judgmental dietician who helped me get a handle on eating better. Then I joined the gym and got two great pt’s who helped me. But that service isn’t available to everyone. But losing weight is an ongoing battle. X " Well done! | |||
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"I think bmi thing is only skewed if you are an elite athlete or a body builder with huge muscle mass or a rugby player etc For the majority of people I think it still holds some value. " Indeed. The elderly, with loss of muscle mass and decreased bone density, is another group it's not reliable for. However, as a group who maybe suffering malnutrition, other signs indicate clinical input for undernutrition. | |||
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"I am obese according to my bmi.....yes I have lost a stone and I have to lose a further 2 stone but if people think I am big or fat belly but not obese " Keep it up, you're doing well. | |||
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"Non-judge mental! I want to know your thoughts about any aspect of obesity, particularly if you are obese. Using the BMI as a guiding tool, i am classified as obese. I don't look obese simply because i am under average size - 14. Do i want to be obese? Do i accept my body shape? Do i do anything about it? Do i wish to be accepted as a BBW? How much is it part of my identity? What knowledge do i have or need to help myself? Do i know the health risks associated with obesity? Ask yourself the above questions and more. As for me, i have a pretty good knowledge and understand the causes (PCOS) - a hormonal dysfunction. I have a fantastic relationship with food but my metabolism is completely shit. Which means calories in and out is a useless formula of weight loss. Do you know the aspects of comfort eating? I can share and you'll understand why comfort eating is a very real disorder and not some lay term excuse. " Comfort eating is very real. We comofrt eat for both postive and negative things. for examples You had a good day at work. You did really well. You feel happy. You buy a slice of cake on the way home to reward yourself. You had a bad day at work. You feel miserable. You buy a slice of cake on the way home to cheer yourself up. I am overweight by a couple of stone. If we are being honest most people are overweight because they overeat. Also because they don't exercise enough. My downfall is chocolate. | |||
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"Non-judge mental! I want to know your thoughts about any aspect of obesity, particularly if you are obese. Using the BMI as a guiding tool, i am classified as obese. I don't look obese simply because i am under average size - 14. Do i want to be obese? Do i accept my body shape? Do i do anything about it? Do i wish to be accepted as a BBW? How much is it part of my identity? What knowledge do i have or need to help myself? Do i know the health risks associated with obesity? Ask yourself the above questions and more. As for me, i have a pretty good knowledge and understand the causes (PCOS) - a hormonal dysfunction. I have a fantastic relationship with food but my metabolism is completely shit. Which means calories in and out is a useless formula of weight loss. Do you know the aspects of comfort eating? I can share and you'll understand why comfort eating is a very real disorder and not some lay term excuse. Comfort eating is very real. We comofrt eat for both postive and negative things. for examples You had a good day at work. You did really well. You feel happy. You buy a slice of cake on the way home to reward yourself. You had a bad day at work. You feel miserable. You buy a slice of cake on the way home to cheer yourself up. I am overweight by a couple of stone. If we are being honest most people are overweight because they overeat. Also because they don't exercise enough. My downfall is chocolate. " Comfort eating: Sugar and fat, such as cakes, increase the level of serotonin in the brain... Pleasure. The same intake decreases the stress hormone cortisol. This biological change is the reason why comfort eating is a very real issue and a hard cycle to stop. | |||
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"I’ve lost 7 stone and I’m still classed as obese..... "You look fantastic. Love your sexy curves. x | |||
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"BMI is the best measure we have. Needs no special equipment and is proven to correlate with health outcomes If it’s good enough for the world health organisation why isn’t it for the UK? Regards height, that’s the biggest misnomer, the weight is divided by the square of the height. Square a larger number and you end up with a massive one, so reduces BMI for a given weight by an even bigger degree. Weight loss per se is always about calorie balance. The weight has to come from somewhere, it’s the food! ‘Hormonal’ and other so-called medical problems really are completely irrelevant. What your saying is, you have to eat less to maintain the same weight. In any other context that’s a good thing. Except in the developed world where we have a surplus of food and a tendency towards greed. Obesity being the natural conclusion. Stop blaming healthcare professionals. They can advise but ultimately it’s the person concerned who actually puts the food into their mouth. I know this is unpopular, but pussyfooting around the issue, and making efforts to engage and not offend by the healthcare/media/government along with medicalising the problem is a massive contributing factor in the obesity epidemic. I think people who are obese would eventually feel better if they stopped blaming external factors and actually took control of their lifestyles. Yes, I acknowledge that in a minority of cases there are other factors at play. And in these support and guidance may be required. In the great majority of times though it’s about making the decision to adopt a healthy lifestyle that is susatianable for ever rather than looking for quick fixes and things to blame " | |||
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"BMI is the best measure we have. Needs no special equipment and is proven to correlate with health outcomes If it’s good enough for the world health organisation why isn’t it for the UK? Regards height, that’s the biggest misnomer, the weight is divided by the square of the height. Square a larger number and you end up with a massive one, so reduces BMI for a given weight by an even bigger degree. Weight loss per se is always about calorie balance. The weight has to come from somewhere, it’s the food! ‘Hormonal’ and other so-called medical problems really are completely irrelevant. What your saying is, you have to eat less to maintain the same weight. In any other context that’s a good thing. Except in the developed world where we have a surplus of food and a tendency towards greed. Obesity being the natural conclusion. Stop blaming healthcare professionals. They can advise but ultimately it’s the person concerned who actually puts the food into their mouth. I know this is unpopular, but pussyfooting around the issue, and making efforts to engage and not offend by the healthcare/media/government along with medicalising the problem is a massive contributing factor in the obesity epidemic. I think people who are obese would eventually feel better if they stopped blaming external factors and actually took control of their lifestyles. Yes, I acknowledge that in a minority of cases there are other factors at play. And in these support and guidance may be required. In the great majority of times though it’s about making the decision to adopt a healthy lifestyle that is susatianable for ever rather than looking for quick fixes and things to blame " Bollocks. Its a blanket approach to an almost infinitely variable populace. All body builders are obese? Utter rubbish. Waist/ height index is much more useful. | |||
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"The BMI chart is not now an accurate measurement of Obesity." It never was, it was designed back when we had rationing to ensure nobody was underweight and malnourished. It wasn't ever properly designed to establish whether people were overweight. | |||
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"BMI is the best measure we have. Needs no special equipment and is proven to correlate with health outcomes If it’s good enough for the world health organisation why isn’t it for the UK? Regards height, that’s the biggest misnomer, the weight is divided by the square of the height. Square a larger number and you end up with a massive one, so reduces BMI for a given weight by an even bigger degree. Weight loss per se is always about calorie balance. The weight has to come from somewhere, it’s the food! ‘Hormonal’ and other so-called medical problems really are completely irrelevant. What your saying is, you have to eat less to maintain the same weight. In any other context that’s a good thing. Except in the developed world where we have a surplus of food and a tendency towards greed. Obesity being the natural conclusion. Stop blaming healthcare professionals. They can advise but ultimately it’s the person concerned who actually puts the food into their mouth. I know this is unpopular, but pussyfooting around the issue, and making efforts to engage and not offend by the healthcare/media/government along with medicalising the problem is a massive contributing factor in the obesity epidemic. I think people who are obese would eventually feel better if they stopped blaming external factors and actually took control of their lifestyles. Yes, I acknowledge that in a minority of cases there are other factors at play. And in these support and guidance may be required. In the great majority of times though it’s about making the decision to adopt a healthy lifestyle that is susatianable for ever rather than looking for quick fixes and things to blame Bollocks. Its a blanket approach to an almost infinitely variable populace. All body builders are obese? Utter rubbish. Waist/ height index is much more useful. " The nhs website clearly states that "Limitations of the BMI - Your BMI can tell you if you're carrying too much weight, but it cannot tell if you're carrying too much fat. The BMI cannot tell the difference between excess fat, muscle, or bone. The adult BMI does not take into account age, gender or muscle mass. This means: very muscular adults and athletes may be classed "overweight" or "obese" even though their body fat is low adults who lose muscle as they get older may fall in the "healthy weight" range even though they may be carrying excess fat" It's purely a measure that can be used as an indicator. Common sense seems to go out of the window where the sensitive weight issue exists | |||
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"BMI is the best measure we have. Needs no special equipment and is proven to correlate with health outcomes If it’s good enough for the world health organisation why isn’t it for the UK? Regards height, that’s the biggest misnomer, the weight is divided by the square of the height. Square a larger number and you end up with a massive one, so reduces BMI for a given weight by an even bigger degree. Weight loss per se is always about calorie balance. The weight has to come from somewhere, it’s the food! ‘Hormonal’ and other so-called medical problems really are completely irrelevant. What your saying is, you have to eat less to maintain the same weight. In any other context that’s a good thing. Except in the developed world where we have a surplus of food and a tendency towards greed. Obesity being the natural conclusion. Stop blaming healthcare professionals. They can advise but ultimately it’s the person concerned who actually puts the food into their mouth. I know this is unpopular, but pussyfooting around the issue, and making efforts to engage and not offend by the healthcare/media/government along with medicalising the problem is a massive contributing factor in the obesity epidemic. I think people who are obese would eventually feel better if they stopped blaming external factors and actually took control of their lifestyles. Yes, I acknowledge that in a minority of cases there are other factors at play. And in these support and guidance may be required. In the great majority of times though it’s about making the decision to adopt a healthy lifestyle that is susatianable for ever rather than looking for quick fixes and things to blame Bollocks. Its a blanket approach to an almost infinitely variable populace. All body builders are obese? Utter rubbish. Waist/ height index is much more useful. The nhs website clearly states that "Limitations of the BMI - Your BMI can tell you if you're carrying too much weight, but it cannot tell if you're carrying too much fat. The BMI cannot tell the difference between excess fat, muscle, or bone. The adult BMI does not take into account age, gender or muscle mass. This means: very muscular adults and athletes may be classed "overweight" or "obese" even though their body fat is low adults who lose muscle as they get older may fall in the "healthy weight" range even though they may be carrying excess fat" It's purely a measure that can be used as an indicator. Common sense seems to go out of the window where the sensitive weight issue exists " absolutely. I've stated as such in previous posts - but we'll still get the "it's bollocks" comments. I wish I'd never mentioned the damn tool as BMI has taken over the thread  .
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"Non-judge mental! I want to know your thoughts about any aspect of obesity, particularly if you are obese. Using the BMI as a guiding tool, i am classified as obese. I don't look obese simply because i am under average size - 14. Do i want to be obese? Do i accept my body shape? Do i do anything about it? Do i wish to be accepted as a BBW? How much is it part of my identity? What knowledge do i have or need to help myself? Do i know the health risks associated with obesity? Ask yourself the above questions and more. As for me, i have a pretty good knowledge and understand the causes (PCOS) - a hormonal dysfunction. I have a fantastic relationship with food but my metabolism is completely shit. Which means calories in and out is a useless formula of weight loss. Do you know the aspects of comfort eating? I can share and you'll understand why comfort eating is a very real disorder and not some lay term excuse. Only 1 comment, any measurements using the bmi as a guideline are utterly pointless and any medical professional using them needs retraining. They are based on an average post war body during rationing, not healthy body mass at all. All elite strength and power athletes are obese or worse according to the Bmi. My Bmi comes in at about 28-30 and yet body fat is about 11¬13% l, its utter nonsense. If you're overweight it's easy to tell, but please don't use bmi, it's a measuremsnt to cause eating disorders. You are wrong - BMI tool is still the best GUIDING tool we have. The education of professionals is the knowledge i put in my earlier post. I strongly disagree, just because it is the best doesn't mean its any good and should be used. It shouldn't. I have studied this in great scientific detail, you may have done the same, however we have come to different conclusions. Oh do share your results and what your alternative tool would be. Of course you'll be aware of other tools that have been designed and still not advocated by NICE guidelines and WHO. No alternative tool, unfortunately the human body doesn't fit into pigeon holes well. How can you compare the healthy bodyweight of a naturally very slim person with the bodyweight of a top end power lifter, or sprinter or rugby player. You can't. So you need to use other tools, like observation, lifestyle, cardio ability, body fat %, now that is a good one, but hard to do properly. Stair climbing, etc. I'm afraid it makes jobs harder but so much more accurate than just entering a figure onto a chart that was barely relevant in the 50s. Sometimes things can't be simplified as much as we'd like. All i see is time and money - do you not realise there are huge staff shortages amongst healthcare professionals? It is a guiding tool amongst other tools that is used as part of an admission process in hospitals." So just do it wrong because its easier and cheaper is not progress | |||
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"Denial is a big an issue as the obesity itself. There is such negativity surrounding the word "obese" that it immediately makes people defensive. You only have to read the thread... Once the classification of obesity comes about, it should lower people's defensiveness/ sensitivity, as the stigma of obesity slowly dissipates. Also, more people will see professionals are there to support management /treatment of the disease. What disease? Obesity" It’s a risk factor to other problems, I think calling it a disease does a dis-service to other people with genuine diseases. Yes, certainly some people metabolise foods at a different rate to others, meaning they are more likely to lay down fat stores. You cannot get way with simple human biology of the human body - fat is simply stored in excess energy and weight gain is only possible when the total energy consumed exceeds the amount of energy expended. Even those that have a genetic predisposition to become fat are not slaves to their DNA. | |||
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"I'm a size 16, 5ft 2" and obese! People say I dont look it but the scales say differently and I am aware of the health risks which is why I'm trying to slim down. Most obese people don't need reminding, fat people threads are daily and boring "Exactly this. Good luck with it. | |||
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"Denial is a big an issue as the obesity itself. There is such negativity surrounding the word "obese" that it immediately makes people defensive. You only have to read the thread... Once the classification of obesity comes about, it should lower people's defensiveness/ sensitivity, as the stigma of obesity slowly dissipates. Also, more people will see professionals are there to support management /treatment of the disease." The classification of obesity as a disease was pushed through in the US by drugs companies so they could make more money having their miracle weight loss pills prescribed by doctors. Sad, but true | |||
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"I'm a size 16, 5ft 2" and obese! People say I dont look it but the scales say differently and I am aware of the health risks which is why I'm trying to slim down. Most obese people don't need reminding, fat people threads are daily and boring "80+% of the threads I don't like so I don't join in. Other people like them. | |||
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"Denial is a big an issue as the obesity itself. There is such negativity surrounding the word "obese" that it immediately makes people defensive. You only have to read the thread... Once the classification of obesity comes about, it should lower people's defensiveness/ sensitivity, as the stigma of obesity slowly dissipates. Also, more people will see professionals are there to support management /treatment of the disease. You classify obesity as a disease ?" Did you read all the thread? | |||
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"Non-judge mental! I want to know your thoughts about any aspect of obesity, particularly if you are obese. Using the BMI as a guiding tool, i am classified as obese. I don't look obese simply because i am under average size - 14. Do i want to be obese? Do i accept my body shape? Do i do anything about it? Do i wish to be accepted as a BBW? How much is it part of my identity? What knowledge do i have or need to help myself? Do i know the health risks associated with obesity? Ask yourself the above questions and more. As for me, i have a pretty good knowledge and understand the causes (PCOS) - a hormonal dysfunction. I have a fantastic relationship with food but my metabolism is completely shit. Which means calories in and out is a useless formula of weight loss. Do you know the aspects of comfort eating? I can share and you'll understand why comfort eating is a very real disorder and not some lay term excuse. Only 1 comment, any measurements using the bmi as a guideline are utterly pointless and any medical professional using them needs retraining. They are based on an average post war body during rationing, not healthy body mass at all. All elite strength and power athletes are obese or worse according to the Bmi. My Bmi comes in at about 28-30 and yet body fat is about 11¬13% l, its utter nonsense. If you're overweight it's easy to tell, but please don't use bmi, it's a measuremsnt to cause eating disorders. You are wrong - BMI tool is still the best GUIDING tool we have. The education of professionals is the knowledge i put in my earlier post. I strongly disagree, just because it is the best doesn't mean its any good and should be used. It shouldn't. I have studied this in great scientific detail, you may have done the same, however we have come to different conclusions. Oh do share your results and what your alternative tool would be. Of course you'll be aware of other tools that have been designed and still not advocated by NICE guidelines and WHO. No alternative tool, unfortunately the human body doesn't fit into pigeon holes well. How can you compare the healthy bodyweight of a naturally very slim person with the bodyweight of a top end power lifter, or sprinter or rugby player. You can't. So you need to use other tools, like observation, lifestyle, cardio ability, body fat %, now that is a good one, but hard to do properly. Stair climbing, etc. I'm afraid it makes jobs harder but so much more accurate than just entering a figure onto a chart that was barely relevant in the 50s. Sometimes things can't be simplified as much as we'd like. All i see is time and money - do you not realise there are huge staff shortages amongst healthcare professionals? It is a guiding tool amongst other tools that is used as part of an admission process in hospitals. So just do it wrong because its easier and cheaper is not progress "Correct procedure is followed. Just because you don't like it, doesn't make it wrong. | |||
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"Denial is a big an issue as the obesity itself. There is such negativity surrounding the word "obese" that it immediately makes people defensive. You only have to read the thread... Once the classification of obesity comes about, it should lower people's defensiveness/ sensitivity, as the stigma of obesity slowly dissipates. Also, more people will see professionals are there to support management /treatment of the disease. What disease? Obesity It’s a risk factor to other problems, I think calling it a disease does a dis-service to other people with genuine diseases. Yes, certainly some people metabolise foods at a different rate to others, meaning they are more likely to lay down fat stores. You cannot get way with simple human biology of the human body - fat is simply stored in excess energy and weight gain is only possible when the total energy consumed exceeds the amount of energy expended. Even those that have a genetic predisposition to become fat are not slaves to their DNA. " I'm calling it a disease because there is a call for it to be classified as a disease. I did point this out earlier in the thread. | |||
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"I'm a size 16, 5ft 2" and obese! People say I dont look it but the scales say differently and I am aware of the health risks which is why I'm trying to slim down. Most obese people don't need reminding, fat people threads are daily and boring "Did anyone force you to participate? | |||
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"I'm a size 16, 5ft 2" and obese! People say I dont look it but the scales say differently and I am aware of the health risks which is why I'm trying to slim down. Most obese people don't need reminding, fat people threads are daily and boring
Exactly this. Good luck with it. "If you were bored by the tv, you'd switch channels. No-one is forcing you to read such a boring AND add boring comments! | |||
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"It's sad that the UK social and medical support services aren't resourced better, especially in mental health areas. We've let people struggle alone too much, evident from the waiting times for thin on the ground counseling services etc. Minor problems increase in severity, potentially other problems get created too and GP services are stretched, with many wanting to leave. This isn't about personal responsibility - people have that - but coping with support that could be available, dealing with an incredibly complex challenge that few people understand. Whilst more schools aren't within local educational county control, there's an increased need for children to be educated differently, so that future problems can be better avoided. I despair at the privatization of so much of what should be core state services, leaving people at the whim of market forces. " Sadly some people don't understand the complexities surrounding obesity and lump this enquiring thread, with intent to help, alongside others that are derogatory. | |||
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"Denial is a big an issue as the obesity itself. There is such negativity surrounding the word "obese" that it immediately makes people defensive. You only have to read the thread... Once the classification of obesity comes about, it should lower people's defensiveness/ sensitivity, as the stigma of obesity slowly dissipates. Also, more people will see professionals are there to support management /treatment of the disease. The classification of obesity as a disease was pushed through in the US by drugs companies so they could make more money having their miracle weight loss pills prescribed by doctors. Sad, but true" Here it's being pushed by the British Dietetics Association. | |||
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"I'm a size 16, 5ft 2" and obese! People say I dont look it but the scales say differently and I am aware of the health risks which is why I'm trying to slim down. Most obese people don't need reminding, fat people threads are daily and boring
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"I’ve lost 7 stone and I’m still classed as obese..... "Ive lost 12 stone and still classed as obese. But do you not wander how much weight is now excess skin and irrelavant to bmi? | |||
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"If you'd like to blame someone for your body shape. Always start with your reflection. "100% keep it real | |||
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"The BMI definition of obese is rubbish. " What makes you say that? | |||
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"‘Non judgemental’ But the OP is rude to anyone’s comment she doesn’t like or agree with "Testify sister! | |||
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"The BMI definition of obese is rubbish. What makes you say that?" My BMI is 24.4. I run 3 to 4 times per week, I'm a size 31 waist and people say I need to put weight on. if I put on 2kg I will be overweight according to the nhs | |||
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"The BMI definition of obese is rubbish. What makes you say that? My BMI is 24.4. I run 3 to 4 times per week, I'm a size 31 waist and people say I need to put weight on. if I put on 2kg I will be overweight according to the nhs " What people? Professionals? | |||
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"The BMI definition of obese is rubbish. What makes you say that? My BMI is 24.4. I run 3 to 4 times per week, I'm a size 31 waist and people say I need to put weight on. if I put on 2kg I will be overweight according to the nhs What people? Professionals?" No, people that I work with or friends. I'll ask my doctor next week | |||
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"The BMI definition of obese is rubbish. What makes you say that? My BMI is 24.4. I run 3 to 4 times per week, I'm a size 31 waist and people say I need to put weight on. if I put on 2kg I will be overweight according to the nhs " Wow! Where do you get a size 31 waist from? | |||
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"The BMI definition of obese is rubbish. What makes you say that? My BMI is 24.4. I run 3 to 4 times per week, I'm a size 31 waist and people say I need to put weight on. if I put on 2kg I will be overweight according to the nhs Wow! Where do you get a size 31 waist from?" Primark | |||
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"The BMI definition of obese is rubbish. What makes you say that? My BMI is 24.4. I run 3 to 4 times per week, I'm a size 31 waist and people say I need to put weight on. if I put on 2kg I will be overweight according to the nhs Wow! Where do you get a size 31 waist from? Primark" Really? I'll have to give them a go! Cheers | |||
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"The BMI definition of obese is rubbish. What makes you say that? My BMI is 24.4. I run 3 to 4 times per week, I'm a size 31 waist and people say I need to put weight on. if I put on 2kg I will be overweight according to the nhs Wow! Where do you get a size 31 waist from? Primark Really? I'll have to give them a go! Cheers "I do all my food shopping there, it's the lowest calorie diet around. the sweatshirts are so chewy I give up and eat nothing  | |||
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"The BMI definition of obese is rubbish. What makes you say that? My BMI is 24.4. I run 3 to 4 times per week, I'm a size 31 waist and people say I need to put weight on. if I put on 2kg I will be overweight according to the nhs What people? Professionals? No, people that I work with or friends. I'll ask my doctor next week "The people you work with and friends? Obviously experts on knowing whether someone is a healthy weight or not. Considering the majority of the UK population is overweight or obese it's no wonder that is seen as the norm... | |||
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"If you'd like to blame someone for your body shape. Always start with your reflection. "Who are you addressing? | |||
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"If you'd like to blame someone for your body shape. Always start with your reflection.
Who are you addressing?"The forum. | |||
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"‘Non judgemental’ But the OP is rude to anyone’s comment she doesn’t like or agree with "Errmm Rightio. | |||
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"If you'd like to blame someone for your body shape. Always start with your reflection.
Who are you addressing?
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"If you'd like to blame someone for your body shape. Always start with your reflection.
Who are you addressing?
The forum.
Ah a "throw it out there" comment to no-one who has actually blamed anyone/thing else "Absolutely. It wasn't aimed at disease suffers, such as yourself of course. | |||
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"If you'd like to blame someone for your body shape. Always start with your reflection.
Who are you addressing?
The forum.
Ah a "throw it out there" comment to no-one who has actually blamed anyone/thing else
Absolutely. It wasn't aimed at disease suffers, such as yourself of course. "Ah the good ol Clem sarcasm .
I look at the "disease" from the perspective of a professional. My story and knowledge is just to highlight one small example of the multi-factorial components of obesity and to show empathy as opposed to judgement (such as "eating cakes"), with an enquiry as to how i can approach others regarding this sensitive issue. | |||
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"If you'd like to blame someone for your body shape. Always start with your reflection.
Who are you addressing?
The forum.
Ah a "throw it out there" comment to no-one who has actually blamed anyone/thing else
Absolutely. It wasn't aimed at disease suffers, such as yourself of course.
Ah the good ol Clem sarcasm .
I look at the "disease" from the perspective of a professional. My story and knowledge is just to highlight one small example of the multi-factorial components of obesity and to show empathy as opposed to judgement (such as "eating cakes"), with an enquiry as to how i can approach others regarding this sensitive issue."It is a sensitive issue. The bmi is there so Dr's and professionals don't have to say "lay off the cakes". They can say "the healthy range is up to a bmi of 25. You're 32. So you might want to adjust your diet". If the patient then says "Dr i eat too much when i feel down" then that depression can begin to be treated. | |||
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"If you'd like to blame someone for your body shape. Always start with your reflection.
Who are you addressing?
The forum.
Ah a "throw it out there" comment to no-one who has actually blamed anyone/thing else
Absolutely. It wasn't aimed at disease suffers, such as yourself of course.
Ah the good ol Clem sarcasm .
I look at the "disease" from the perspective of a professional. My story and knowledge is just to highlight one small example of the multi-factorial components of obesity and to show empathy as opposed to judgement (such as "eating cakes"), with an enquiry as to how i can approach others regarding this sensitive issue.
It is a sensitive issue. The bmi is there so Dr's and professionals don't have to say "lay off the cakes". They can say "the healthy range is up to a bmi of 25. You're 32. So you might want to adjust your diet". If the patient then says "Dr i eat too much when i feel down" then that depression can begin to be treated. "Since you're so well-informed, what does the doc do for obese non-cake eaters and non-depressed people? You're simplifying obesity into neat little compartments, that for tailored patient care does not exist. | |||
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"Non-judge mental! I want to know your thoughts about any aspect of obesity, particularly if you are obese. Using the BMI as a guiding tool, i am classified as obese. I don't look obese simply because i am under average size - 14. Do i want to be obese? Do i accept my body shape? Do i do anything about it? Do i wish to be accepted as a BBW? How much is it part of my identity? What knowledge do i have or need to help myself? Do i know the health risks associated with obesity? Ask yourself the above questions and more. As for me, i have a pretty good knowledge and understand the causes (PCOS) - a hormonal dysfunction. I have a fantastic relationship with food but my metabolism is completely shit. Which means calories in and out is a useless formula of weight loss. Do you know the aspects of comfort eating? I can share and you'll understand why comfort eating is a very real disorder and not some lay term excuse. " Plenty of fat people down Sutton in Ashfield. !!  | |||
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"If you'd like to blame someone for your body shape. Always start with your reflection.
Who are you addressing?
The forum.
Ah a "throw it out there" comment to no-one who has actually blamed anyone/thing else
Absolutely. It wasn't aimed at disease suffers, such as yourself of course.
Ah the good ol Clem sarcasm .
I look at the "disease" from the perspective of a professional. My story and knowledge is just to highlight one small example of the multi-factorial components of obesity and to show empathy as opposed to judgement (such as "eating cakes"), with an enquiry as to how i can approach others regarding this sensitive issue.
It is a sensitive issue. The bmi is there so Dr's and professionals don't have to say "lay off the cakes". They can say "the healthy range is up to a bmi of 25. You're 32. So you might want to adjust your diet". If the patient then says "Dr i eat too much when i feel down" then that depression can begin to be treated.
Since you're so well-informed, what does the doc do for obese non-cake eaters and non-depressed people?
You're simplifying obesity into neat little compartments, that for tailored patient care does not exist."What kind of percentage of obese people are we talking about here? What's the percentage of non over eating, overweight patients who can't help themselves, who are not suffering with depression in the UK? | |||
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"Non-judge mental! I want to know your thoughts about any aspect of obesity, particularly if you are obese. Using the BMI as a guiding tool, i am classified as obese. I don't look obese simply because i am under average size - 14. Do i want to be obese? Do i accept my body shape? Do i do anything about it? Do i wish to be accepted as a BBW? How much is it part of my identity? What knowledge do i have or need to help myself? Do i know the health risks associated with obesity? Ask yourself the above questions and more. As for me, i have a pretty good knowledge and understand the causes (PCOS) - a hormonal dysfunction. I have a fantastic relationship with food but my metabolism is completely shit. Which means calories in and out is a useless formula of weight loss. Do you know the aspects of comfort eating? I can share and you'll understand why comfort eating is a very real disorder and not some lay term excuse. Comfort eating is very real. We comofrt eat for both postive and negative things. for examples You had a good day at work. You did really well. You feel happy. You buy a slice of cake on the way home to reward yourself. You had a bad day at work. You feel miserable. You buy a slice of cake on the way home to cheer yourself up. I am overweight by a couple of stone. If we are being honest most people are overweight because they overeat. Also because they don't exercise enough. My downfall is chocolate. Comfort eating: Sugar and fat, such as cakes, increase the level of serotonin in the brain... Pleasure. The same intake decreases the stress hormone cortisol. This biological change is the reason why comfort eating is a very real issue and a hard cycle to stop." This is true, for me I have cut down I would say on half my meals my portion size, andundertook excersise. I have tweaked some foods but also restarted the gym. I have not stopped all ‘bad food’. My food intake increases when I am bored. Also there might be an underlying mental illness as well as physical that your body is not loosing weight. I am lucky I don’t care that much for cake or chocolate, but I have a savoury tooth. Yesterday I found out I am 0.2bmi from moving in to overweight category. | |||
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"Denial is a big an issue as the obesity itself. There is such negativity surrounding the word "obese" that it immediately makes people defensive. You only have to read the thread... Once the classification of obesity comes about, it should lower people's defensiveness/ sensitivity, as the stigma of obesity slowly dissipates. Also, more people will see professionals are there to support management /treatment of the disease. What disease? Obesity It’s a risk factor to other problems, I think calling it a disease does a dis-service to other people with genuine diseases. Yes, certainly some people metabolise foods at a different rate to others, meaning they are more likely to lay down fat stores. You cannot get way with simple human biology of the human body - fat is simply stored in excess energy and weight gain is only possible when the total energy consumed exceeds the amount of energy expended. Even those that have a genetic predisposition to become fat are not slaves to their DNA. I'm calling it a disease because there is a call for it to be classified as a disease. I did point this out earlier in the thread." I don’t care, it’s not a disease it’s self inflicted. It’s can lead to diseases but obesity is not one, it’s self inflicted. The cure is to put down the cake eat some broccoli and go for a jog. People love to play the victim, instead of owning it. | |||
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"It's sad that the UK social and medical support services aren't resourced better, especially in mental health areas. We've let people struggle alone too much, evident from the waiting times for thin on the ground counseling services etc. Minor problems increase in severity, potentially other problems get created too and GP services are stretched, with many wanting to leave. This isn't about personal responsibility - people have that - but coping with support that could be available, dealing with an incredibly complex challenge that few people understand. Whilst more schools aren't within local educational county control, there's an increased need for children to be educated differently, so that future problems can be better avoided. I despair at the privatization of so much of what should be core state services, leaving people at the whim of market forces. Sadly some people don't understand the complexities surrounding obesity and lump this enquiring thread, with intent to help, alongside others that are derogatory. " Thank god for Mavericks like you, marching to the best of you’re own drum and refusing to be boxed in, you fascinating individual, there’s the rest of us saying it’s a problem with eating to much and not exercising enough (which it is) but you say it’s so much more than that, it’s a disease(which it isn’t)...you are something else | |||
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"Denial is a big an issue as the obesity itself. There is such negativity surrounding the word "obese" that it immediately makes people defensive. You only have to read the thread... Once the classification of obesity comes about, it should lower people's defensiveness/ sensitivity, as the stigma of obesity slowly dissipates. Also, more people will see professionals are there to support management /treatment of the disease. What disease? Obesity It’s a risk factor to other problems, I think calling it a disease does a dis-service to other people with genuine diseases. Yes, certainly some people metabolise foods at a different rate to others, meaning they are more likely to lay down fat stores. You cannot get way with simple human biology of the human body - fat is simply stored in excess energy and weight gain is only possible when the total energy consumed exceeds the amount of energy expended. Even those that have a genetic predisposition to become fat are not slaves to their DNA. I'm calling it a disease because there is a call for it to be classified as a disease. I did point this out earlier in the thread. I don’t care, it’s not a disease it’s self inflicted. It’s can lead to diseases but obesity is not one, it’s self inflicted. The cure is to put down the cake eat some broccoli and go for a jog. People love to play the victim, instead of owning it. " I think you’re being a bit harsh there Tame. If it was that simple then there wouldn’t be an obesity problem in the first place. I think you over over simplifying the issue. | |||
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"Denial is a big an issue as the obesity itself. There is such negativity surrounding the word "obese" that it immediately makes people defensive. You only have to read the thread... Once the classification of obesity comes about, it should lower people's defensiveness/ sensitivity, as the stigma of obesity slowly dissipates. Also, more people will see professionals are there to support management /treatment of the disease. What disease? Obesity It’s a risk factor to other problems, I think calling it a disease does a dis-service to other people with genuine diseases. Yes, certainly some people metabolise foods at a different rate to others, meaning they are more likely to lay down fat stores. You cannot get way with simple human biology of the human body - fat is simply stored in excess energy and weight gain is only possible when the total energy consumed exceeds the amount of energy expended. Even those that have a genetic predisposition to become fat are not slaves to their DNA. I'm calling it a disease because there is a call for it to be classified as a disease. I did point this out earlier in the thread. I don’t care, it’s not a disease it’s self inflicted. It’s can lead to diseases but obesity is not one, it’s self inflicted. The cure is to put down the cake eat some broccoli and go for a jog. People love to play the victim, instead of owning it. " I actually find that comment very offensive. Some people can’t just go for a jog. My mum had a gastric reduction as her stomach was absorbing more than it needed to and she was was over eating and snacking . For gastric patients they actually support them with support at Counceling before and after the operation. Why because often over eating is a sign of underlying mental issues or illness. Also my mum had 2 active children didn’t get the bus and still put on weight. Myself I am indifferent about cake or puddings, and have a slice maybe once a fortnight if that. I love broccoli and veg, but still put on weight. Why for me it was lack of gym and other foods I was eating. I don’t eat pies, or pasties. For me it was good volume. Addiction in itself is a mental illness, be eating, smoking, gambling, drinking!!!! | |||
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"Denial is a big an issue as the obesity itself. There is such negativity surrounding the word "obese" that it immediately makes people defensive. You only have to read the thread... Once the classification of obesity comes about, it should lower people's defensiveness/ sensitivity, as the stigma of obesity slowly dissipates. Also, more people will see professionals are there to support management /treatment of the disease. What disease? Obesity It’s a risk factor to other problems, I think calling it a disease does a dis-service to other people with genuine diseases. Yes, certainly some people metabolise foods at a different rate to others, meaning they are more likely to lay down fat stores. You cannot get way with simple human biology of the human body - fat is simply stored in excess energy and weight gain is only possible when the total energy consumed exceeds the amount of energy expended. Even those that have a genetic predisposition to become fat are not slaves to their DNA. I'm calling it a disease because there is a call for it to be classified as a disease. I did point this out earlier in the thread. I don’t care, it’s not a disease it’s self inflicted. It’s can lead to diseases but obesity is not one, it’s self inflicted. The cure is to put down the cake eat some broccoli and go for a jog. People love to play the victim, instead of owning it. I think you’re being a bit harsh there Tame. If it was that simple then there wouldn’t be an obesity problem in the first place. I think you over over simplifying the issue. " Stick to building, Tame. | |||
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"Denial is a big an issue as the obesity itself. There is such negativity surrounding the word "obese" that it immediately makes people defensive. You only have to read the thread... Once the classification of obesity comes about, it should lower people's defensiveness/ sensitivity, as the stigma of obesity slowly dissipates. Also, more people will see professionals are there to support management /treatment of the disease. What disease? Obesity It’s a risk factor to other problems, I think calling it a disease does a dis-service to other people with genuine diseases. Yes, certainly some people metabolise foods at a different rate to others, meaning they are more likely to lay down fat stores. You cannot get way with simple human biology of the human body - fat is simply stored in excess energy and weight gain is only possible when the total energy consumed exceeds the amount of energy expended. Even those that have a genetic predisposition to become fat are not slaves to their DNA. I'm calling it a disease because there is a call for it to be classified as a disease. I did point this out earlier in the thread. I don’t care, it’s not a disease it’s self inflicted. It’s can lead to diseases but obesity is not one, it’s self inflicted. The cure is to put down the cake eat some broccoli and go for a jog. People love to play the victim, instead of owning it. " Clueless. Utterly clueless | |||
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" I've lost 9 stone and am also ... I think it's a load of shit. I am still fat, but wouldn't necessarily feel that I'm obese
Don't worry so much about labels. Acknowledge you have done well.
Oh I do! My health is phenomenally better and my confidence in myself is on fire ... And I am still losing and exercising.
Therefore I actually don't care what other people say (esp the keyboard warriors on here who enjoy sending abuse privately-thank you all ) ... I've done brilliantly and I am still going in the right direction "I think you look fabulous. Well done. | |||
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"Denial is a big an issue as the obesity itself. There is such negativity surrounding the word "obese" that it immediately makes people defensive. You only have to read the thread... Once the classification of obesity comes about, it should lower people's defensiveness/ sensitivity, as the stigma of obesity slowly dissipates. Also, more people will see professionals are there to support management /treatment of the disease. What disease? Obesity It’s a risk factor to other problems, I think calling it a disease does a dis-service to other people with genuine diseases. Yes, certainly some people metabolise foods at a different rate to others, meaning they are more likely to lay down fat stores. You cannot get way with simple human biology of the human body - fat is simply stored in excess energy and weight gain is only possible when the total energy consumed exceeds the amount of energy expended. Even those that have a genetic predisposition to become fat are not slaves to their DNA. I'm calling it a disease because there is a call for it to be classified as a disease. I did point this out earlier in the thread. I don’t care, it’s not a disease it’s self inflicted. It’s can lead to diseases but obesity is not one, it’s self inflicted. The cure is to put down the cake eat some broccoli and go for a jog. People love to play the victim, instead of owning it. I think you’re being a bit harsh there Tame. If it was that simple then there wouldn’t be an obesity problem in the first place. I think you over over simplifying the issue. Stick to building, Tame." Patronising much. How I read this, is you think builders are thick and not on you’re intellectual level. Stick to the navel gazing. | |||
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"Denial is a big an issue as the obesity itself. There is such negativity surrounding the word "obese" that it immediately makes people defensive. You only have to read the thread... Once the classification of obesity comes about, it should lower people's defensiveness/ sensitivity, as the stigma of obesity slowly dissipates. Also, more people will see professionals are there to support management /treatment of the disease. What disease? Obesity It’s a risk factor to other problems, I think calling it a disease does a dis-service to other people with genuine diseases. Yes, certainly some people metabolise foods at a different rate to others, meaning they are more likely to lay down fat stores. You cannot get way with simple human biology of the human body - fat is simply stored in excess energy and weight gain is only possible when the total energy consumed exceeds the amount of energy expended. Even those that have a genetic predisposition to become fat are not slaves to their DNA. I'm calling it a disease because there is a call for it to be classified as a disease. I did point this out earlier in the thread. I don’t care, it’s not a disease it’s self inflicted. It’s can lead to diseases but obesity is not one, it’s self inflicted. The cure is to put down the cake eat some broccoli and go for a jog. People love to play the victim, instead of owning it. Clueless. Utterly clueless" Care to elaborate, or is all that you have ? | |||
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"Denial is a big an issue as the obesity itself. There is such negativity surrounding the word "obese" that it immediately makes people defensive. You only have to read the thread... Once the classification of obesity comes about, it should lower people's defensiveness/ sensitivity, as the stigma of obesity slowly dissipates. Also, more people will see professionals are there to support management /treatment of the disease. What disease? Obesity It’s a risk factor to other problems, I think calling it a disease does a dis-service to other people with genuine diseases. Yes, certainly some people metabolise foods at a different rate to others, meaning they are more likely to lay down fat stores. You cannot get way with simple human biology of the human body - fat is simply stored in excess energy and weight gain is only possible when the total energy consumed exceeds the amount of energy expended. Even those that have a genetic predisposition to become fat are not slaves to their DNA. I'm calling it a disease because there is a call for it to be classified as a disease. I did point this out earlier in the thread. I don’t care, it’s not a disease it’s self inflicted. It’s can lead to diseases but obesity is not one, it’s self inflicted. The cure is to put down the cake eat some broccoli and go for a jog. People love to play the victim, instead of owning it. I think you’re being a bit harsh there Tame. If it was that simple then there wouldn’t be an obesity problem in the first place. I think you over over simplifying the issue. Stick to building, Tame. Patronising much. How I read this, is you think builders are thick and not on you’re intellectual level. Stick to the navel gazing." And here are the true colours. | |||
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"If you'd like to blame someone for your body shape. Always start with your reflection.
Who are you addressing?
The forum.
Ah a "throw it out there" comment to no-one who has actually blamed anyone/thing else
Absolutely. It wasn't aimed at disease suffers, such as yourself of course.
Ah the good ol Clem sarcasm .
I look at the "disease" from the perspective of a professional. My story and knowledge is just to highlight one small example of the multi-factorial components of obesity and to show empathy as opposed to judgement (such as "eating cakes"), with an enquiry as to how i can approach others regarding this sensitive issue.
It is a sensitive issue. The bmi is there so Dr's and professionals don't have to say "lay off the cakes". They can say "the healthy range is up to a bmi of 25. You're 32. So you might want to adjust your diet". If the patient then says "Dr i eat too much when i feel down" then that depression can begin to be treated.
Since you're so well-informed, what does the doc do for obese non-cake eaters and non-depressed people?
You're simplifying obesity into neat little compartments, that for tailored patient care does not exist.
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"Non-judge mental! I want to know your thoughts about any aspect of obesity, particularly if you are obese. Using the BMI as a guiding tool, i am classified as obese. I don't look obese simply because i am under average size - 14. Do i want to be obese? Do i accept my body shape? Do i do anything about it? Do i wish to be accepted as a BBW? How much is it part of my identity? What knowledge do i have or need to help myself? Do i know the health risks associated with obesity? Ask yourself the above questions and more. As for me, i have a pretty good knowledge and understand the causes (PCOS) - a hormonal dysfunction. I have a fantastic relationship with food but my metabolism is completely shit. Which means calories in and out is a useless formula of weight loss. Do you know the aspects of comfort eating? I can share and you'll understand why comfort eating is a very real disorder and not some lay term excuse. Comfort eating is very real. We comofrt eat for both postive and negative things. for examples You had a good day at work. You did really well. You feel happy. You buy a slice of cake on the way home to reward yourself. You had a bad day at work. You feel miserable. You buy a slice of cake on the way home to cheer yourself up. I am overweight by a couple of stone. If we are being honest most people are overweight because they overeat. Also because they don't exercise enough. My downfall is chocolate. Comfort eating: Sugar and fat, such as cakes, increase the level of serotonin in the brain... Pleasure. The same intake decreases the stress hormone cortisol. This biological change is the reason why comfort eating is a very real issue and a hard cycle to stop. This is true, for me I have cut down I would say on half my meals my portion size, andundertook excersise. I have tweaked some foods but also restarted the gym. I have not stopped all ‘bad food’. My food intake increases when I am bored. Also there might be an underlying mental illness as well as physical that your body is not loosing weight. I am lucky I don’t care that much for cake or chocolate, but I have a savoury tooth. Yesterday I found out I am 0.2bmi from moving in to overweight category. " Portion size is a issue, along with accessibility of good foods, fluid management, sedentary lifestyle, hormones that affect metabolism, hormones of pleasure/stress, obsegenic environment, lack of education, the list goes on. | |||
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"It's sad that the UK social and medical support services aren't resourced better, especially in mental health areas. We've let people struggle alone too much, evident from the waiting times for thin on the ground counseling services etc. Minor problems increase in severity, potentially other problems get created too and GP services are stretched, with many wanting to leave. This isn't about personal responsibility - people have that - but coping with support that could be available, dealing with an incredibly complex challenge that few people understand. Whilst more schools aren't within local educational county control, there's an increased need for children to be educated differently, so that future problems can be better avoided. I despair at the privatization of so much of what should be core state services, leaving people at the whim of market forces. Sadly some people don't understand the complexities surrounding obesity and lump this enquiring thread, with intent to help, alongside others that are derogatory. Thank god for Mavericks like you, marching to the best of you’re own drum and refusing to be boxed in, you fascinating individual, there’s the rest of us saying it’s a problem with eating to much and not exercising enough (which it is) but you say it’s so much more than that, it’s a disease(which it isn’t)...you are something else" Bless the arrogance of a uninformed individual. | |||
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"‘Non judgemental’ But the OP is rude to anyone’s comment she doesn’t like or agree with
"If i come across rude simply because i defend the use of the BMI (alongside other tools AND knowledge), also to posts that are poorly informed such as the blame game/fat shaming/cake whoring - tough! I'll deal in facts and the perceptions of those to whom the thread refers re how best for professionals to approach the issue (bearing in mind the sensitivity of the subject). | |||
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"‘Non judgemental’ But the OP is rude to anyone’s comment she doesn’t like or agree with
If i come across rude simply because i defend the use of the BMI (alongside other tools AND knowledge), also to posts that are poorly informed such as the blame game/fat shaming/cake whoring - tough! I'll deal in facts and the perceptions of those to whom the thread refers re how best for professionals to approach the issue (bearing in mind the sensitivity of the subject)."My opinion and we’re all entitled to our own opinions........ I’m fat/overweight/obese because I eat too much and far too much of the wrong food! I have an under active thyroid and I’ve had 3 children but I’m not blaming them, it’s my love for cake and chocolate (not had chocolate for weeks so I’m trying) SOME people that are in that overweight/obese/fat category swear they eat healthy and the correct portion sizes, most of the time it’s bullsh!t BUT a doc will test for everything because they can’t accuse them of just being greedy or unhealthy. Eventually after months of docs/hospital visits they discover that person has an under active thyroid, all the extra weight is blamed on this condition and they’re let off the hook. Suddenly it’s a medical condition ............ True story 
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"To those calling for overeating to be classified as a disease, should under exercising also be classified as a disease?" Obesity not overeating. Take it up with the BDA if you don't agree. | |||
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"Non-judge mental! I want to know your thoughts about any aspect of obesity, particularly if you are obese. Using the BMI as a guiding tool, i am classified as obese. I don't look obese simply because i am under average size - 14. Do i want to be obese? Do i accept my body shape? Do i do anything about it? Do i wish to be accepted as a BBW? How much is it part of my identity? What knowledge do i have or need to help myself? Do i know the health risks associated with obesity? Ask yourself the above questions and more. As for me, i have a pretty good knowledge and understand the causes (PCOS) - a hormonal dysfunction. I have a fantastic relationship with food but my metabolism is completely shit. Which means calories in and out is a useless formula of weight loss. Do you know the aspects of comfort eating? I can share and you'll understand why comfort eating is a very real disorder and not some lay term excuse. " BMI is no longer used, it’s better to look at waist to hip ratio, .85 in women or .90 in men is a predictor for health issues or an absolute BMI 32 | |||
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"To those calling for overeating to be classified as a disease, should under exercising also be classified as a disease? Obesity not overeating. Take it up with the BDA if you don't agree." But MOST obese people overeat, under exercise and eat the wrong food | |||
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"‘Non judgemental’ But the OP is rude to anyone’s comment she doesn’t like or agree with
If i come across rude simply because i defend the use of the BMI (alongside other tools AND knowledge), also to posts that are poorly informed such as the blame game/fat shaming/cake whoring - tough! I'll deal in facts and the perceptions of those to whom the thread refers re how best for professionals to approach the issue (bearing in mind the sensitivity of the subject).
My opinion and we’re all entitled to our own opinions........
I’m fat/overweight/obese because I eat too much and far too much of the wrong food! I have an under active thyroid and I’ve had 3 children but I’m not blaming them, it’s my love for cake and chocolate (not had chocolate for weeks so I’m trying)
SOME people that are in that overweight/obese/fat category swear they eat healthy and the correct portion sizes, most of the time it’s bullsh!t BUT a doc will test for everything because they can’t accuse them of just being greedy or unhealthy. Eventually after months of docs/hospital visits they discover that person has an under active thyroid, all the extra weight is blamed on this condition and they’re let off the hook. Suddenly it’s a medical condition ............
True story
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#keepitreal"Let off the hook huh? Or referred to a dietician or swimming world or... See NICE guidelines. #removejudgement | |||
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"Non-judge mental! I want to know your thoughts about any aspect of obesity, particularly if you are obese. Using the BMI as a guiding tool, i am classified as obese. I don't look obese simply because i am under average size - 14. Do i want to be obese? Do i accept my body shape? Do i do anything about it? Do i wish to be accepted as a BBW? How much is it part of my identity? What knowledge do i have or need to help myself? Do i know the health risks associated with obesity? Ask yourself the above questions and more. As for me, i have a pretty good knowledge and understand the causes (PCOS) - a hormonal dysfunction. I have a fantastic relationship with food but my metabolism is completely shit. Which means calories in and out is a useless formula of weight loss. Do you know the aspects of comfort eating? I can share and you'll understand why comfort eating is a very real disorder and not some lay term excuse. BMI is no longer used, it’s better to look at waist to hip ratio, .85 in women or .90 in men is a predictor for health issues or an absolute BMI 32" I don't know where you get your information, but the BMI is used. I also stated waist circumference... Actually i cba to repeat a post | |||
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"To those calling for overeating to be classified as a disease, should under exercising also be classified as a disease? Obesity not overeating. Take it up with the BDA if you don't agree. But MOST obese people overeat, under exercise and eat the wrong food " And? | |||
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"‘Non judgemental’ But the OP is rude to anyone’s comment she doesn’t like or agree with
If i come across rude simply because i defend the use of the BMI (alongside other tools AND knowledge), also to posts that are poorly informed such as the blame game/fat shaming/cake whoring - tough! I'll deal in facts and the perceptions of those to whom the thread refers re how best for professionals to approach the issue (bearing in mind the sensitivity of the subject).
My opinion and we’re all entitled to our own opinions........
I’m fat/overweight/obese because I eat too much and far too much of the wrong food! I have an under active thyroid and I’ve had 3 children but I’m not blaming them, it’s my love for cake and chocolate (not had chocolate for weeks so I’m trying)
SOME people that are in that overweight/obese/fat category swear they eat healthy and the correct portion sizes, most of the time it’s bullsh!t BUT a doc will test for everything because they can’t accuse them of just being greedy or unhealthy. Eventually after months of docs/hospital visits they discover that person has an under active thyroid, all the extra weight is blamed on this condition and they’re let off the hook. Suddenly it’s a medical condition ............
True story
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#keepitreal
Let off the hook huh? Or referred to a dietician or swimming world or... See NICE guidelines.
#removejudgement"Swimming world sounds good , but it won't be in NICE, oops. Slimming | |||
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"‘Non judgemental’ But the OP is rude to anyone’s comment she doesn’t like or agree with
If i come across rude simply because i defend the use of the BMI (alongside other tools AND knowledge), also to posts that are poorly informed such as the blame game/fat shaming/cake whoring - tough! I'll deal in facts and the perceptions of those to whom the thread refers re how best for professionals to approach the issue (bearing in mind the sensitivity of the subject).
My opinion and we’re all entitled to our own opinions........
I’m fat/overweight/obese because I eat too much and far too much of the wrong food! I have an under active thyroid and I’ve had 3 children but I’m not blaming them, it’s my love for cake and chocolate (not had chocolate for weeks so I’m trying)
SOME people that are in that overweight/obese/fat category swear they eat healthy and the correct portion sizes, most of the time it’s bullsh!t BUT a doc will test for everything because they can’t accuse them of just being greedy or unhealthy. Eventually after months of docs/hospital visits they discover that person has an under active thyroid, all the extra weight is blamed on this condition and they’re let off the hook. Suddenly it’s a medical condition ............
True story
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#keepitreal"I completely agree. From another fattie who ate too much and moved less, but is now doing something about it, nearly 2 stone down! I have no medical condition either, and there is no excuse for me being the way I am other than being f*cking lazy when I was working full time! | |||
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"To clarify; I meant stick to what you know. But how you read interpretation shows more about you, than I." Like the time you thought I was being nasty, cause you Misunderstood who I was talking about, when the opposite was the case. But I apologise for misinterpreting your comment. | |||
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"‘Non judgemental’ But the OP is rude to anyone’s comment she doesn’t like or agree with
If i come across rude simply because i defend the use of the BMI (alongside other tools AND knowledge), also to posts that are poorly informed such as the blame game/fat shaming/cake whoring - tough! I'll deal in facts and the perceptions of those to whom the thread refers re how best for professionals to approach the issue (bearing in mind the sensitivity of the subject).
My opinion and we’re all entitled to our own opinions........
I’m fat/overweight/obese because I eat too much and far too much of the wrong food! I have an under active thyroid and I’ve had 3 children but I’m not blaming them, it’s my love for cake and chocolate (not had chocolate for weeks so I’m trying)
SOME people that are in that overweight/obese/fat category swear they eat healthy and the correct portion sizes, most of the time it’s bullsh!t BUT a doc will test for everything because they can’t accuse them of just being greedy or unhealthy. Eventually after months of docs/hospital visits they discover that person has an under active thyroid, all the extra weight is blamed on this condition and they’re let off the hook. Suddenly it’s a medical condition ............
True story
#mostfattiesarejustgreedy
#keepitreal
I completely agree.
From another fattie who ate too much and moved less, but is now doing something about it, nearly 2 stone down!
I have no medical condition either, and there is no excuse for me being the way I am other than being f*cking lazy when I was working full time! "Good on you both. But a little sensitivity, knowledge and less projection about your own “laziness”, which no one is challenging you on - you know you - wouldn’t go amiss. | |||
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"To clarify; I meant stick to what you know. But how you read interpretation shows more about you, than I. Like the time you thought I was being nasty, cause you Misunderstood who I was talking about, when the opposite was the case. But I apologise for misinterpreting your comment." To be honest, I’m not sure I’m convinced. But that’s cool. | |||
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"To those calling for overeating to be classified as a disease, should under exercising also be classified as a disease? Obesity not overeating. Take it up with the BDA if you don't agree. But MOST obese people overeat, under exercise and eat the wrong food " What the BDA think doesn’t seem to be working. The Department of Health already have guidelines on the amount of exercise people are supposed to do. 5 lots of 30 mins. Hardly difficult to achieve. In basic terms overeating causes the weight gain. Underexercising the difficulty in shifting it. As I’ve said before, these things shouldn’t be considered in isolation, and much less be medicalised. It’s about finding a sensible lifestyle where eating is done in moderation and a healthy outdoor active ilifestyle is embraced. Exercise should be seen as a pleasure rather than a chore or a punishment. One of the main factors behind people’s refusal to comply with guidelines (whoever issues them) and therefore continue to be obese is a lack of not education, but of role models. Who is out there promoting sensible eating and moderate exercise? Compare that to the number of ex-reality TV, ex-fatso no-mark celebrities promoting quick fix fad diets and 2 min exercise routines. These dickheads promoting largely unacheivable and unsustainable weight loss strategies rather than a lifelong lifestyle change is who the (currently extremely ineffective) BDA should concentrate on | |||
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"‘Non judgemental’ But the OP is rude to anyone’s comment she doesn’t like or agree with
If i come across rude simply because i defend the use of the BMI (alongside other tools AND knowledge), also to posts that are poorly informed such as the blame game/fat shaming/cake whoring - tough! I'll deal in facts and the perceptions of those to whom the thread refers re how best for professionals to approach the issue (bearing in mind the sensitivity of the subject).
My opinion and we’re all entitled to our own opinions........
I’m fat/overweight/obese because I eat too much and far too much of the wrong food! I have an under active thyroid and I’ve had 3 children but I’m not blaming them, it’s my love for cake and chocolate (not had chocolate for weeks so I’m trying)
SOME people that are in that overweight/obese/fat category swear they eat healthy and the correct portion sizes, most of the time it’s bullsh!t BUT a doc will test for everything because they can’t accuse them of just being greedy or unhealthy. Eventually after months of docs/hospital visits they discover that person has an under active thyroid, all the extra weight is blamed on this condition and they’re let off the hook. Suddenly it’s a medical condition ............
True story
#mostfattiesarejustgreedy
#keepitreal
I completely agree.
From another fattie who ate too much and moved less, but is now doing something about it, nearly 2 stone down!
I have no medical condition either, and there is no excuse for me being the way I am other than being f*cking lazy when I was working full time!
Good on you both.
But a little sensitivity, knowledge and less projection about your own “laziness”, which no one is challenging you on - you know you - wouldn’t go amiss.
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"To clarify; I meant stick to what you know. But how you read interpretation shows more about you, than I. Like the time you thought I was being nasty, cause you Misunderstood who I was talking about, when the opposite was the case. But I apologise for misinterpreting your comment. To be honest, I’m not sure I’m convinced. But that’s cool. " I’ll send flowers addressed to Estella, Essex. They should reach you. | |||
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" Stick to building, Tame. Patronising much. How I read this, is you think builders are thick and not on you’re intellectual level. Stick to the navel gazing. And here are the true colours." What did you expect after your initial comment? People will reply if you are having a dig. The best thing for both of you is to ignore each others comments please as it never ends well | |||
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