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John McCain had died age 81.
He was a six-term senator for Arizona, Vietnam war veteran and ran for President in 2008, which was frankly the last time any of us saw a high quality Presidential debate.
Not everyone will like his politics but at least he was no mindless ideologue. He went toe to toe with Obama and wasn't afraid to cross party lines and vote against trump on healthcare and criticise him on immigration.
He was a sharp cookie and uses his military experience to push issues around veterans health and defence spending in ways that other politicians wouldn't understand.
RIP John. |
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Didn't really know his political life but knew of him.
I read yesterday or Friday that he had put a stop to his treatment and only lasted 48 hours at the most.
His death has come quickly. It's sad.
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"Didn't really know his political life but knew of him.
I read yesterday or Friday that he had put a stop to his treatment and only lasted 48 hours at the most.
His death has come quickly. It's sad.
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He got diagnosed with an aggressive brain tumour in July 2017. Sad to see him go like that. Amazing that he effectively never retired and kept working his whole life. |
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"Read an interesting piece about him in Rolling Stone today. He used to be a big boxing fan and someone in a boxing forum linked it. He was an interesting fella RIP"
He was a man's man. Don't think any of us would find him boring whether we agree with his politics or not. |
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By *irthandgirthMan
over a year ago
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I remember he once got pulled up on not being able to raise his hands to wave to people. Until he relayed his years of being tortured as a POW.
Proper stand up servant of his country. We need more politicians like him.
And I agree about Trump's lack of respect. |
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"Read an interesting piece about him in Rolling Stone today. He used to be a big boxing fan and someone in a boxing forum linked it. He was an interesting fella RIP
He was a man's man. Don't think any of us would find him boring whether we agree with his politics or not. "
The piece was quite a hatchet job used to go into how he spoke to his wife etc and his rolling over while in capitivity. He was tortured terribly and I wonder how many reporters could undergo what he did
What gave me a little chuckle he’s used to crash a disproportionate amount of planes. |
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"I went to the prison where he was held as a POW last year. Moving experience indeed
Wow, so it's a place you can visit in Vietnam? "
The reason it’s such a horrendous place is that McCain was actually held in the old French colonial prison rather than a POW camp. Off the top of my head it was Ha Long prison if you fancy a bit of googling. You can still see the original propaganda photos released by the Vietnam Cong of McCain supposedly cooking Christmas dinner for the inmates.
Sadly he ended up there as a result of freak. A paratrooper, he was released at the wrong point and consequently landed in huge lake. Rescued by the Vietnamese but taken and held as prisoner for nearly the entire conflict |
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"I went to the prison where he was held as a POW last year. Moving experience indeed
Wow, so it's a place you can visit in Vietnam?
The reason it’s such a horrendous place is that McCain was actually held in the old French colonial prison rather than a POW camp. Off the top of my head it was Ha Long prison if you fancy a bit of googling. You can still see the original propaganda photos released by the Vietnam Cong of McCain supposedly cooking Christmas dinner for the inmates.
Sadly he ended up there as a result of freak. A paratrooper, he was released at the wrong point and consequently landed in huge lake. Rescued by the Vietnamese but taken and held as prisoner for nearly the entire conflict"
I've visited concentration camps in Germany, whilst they weren't the most fun experience, it's certainly worthwhile. I didn't realise you could visit these places in Vietnam, it would be a worthwhile trip. |
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over a year ago
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His only political mistake was tagging Sarah Palin as his running mate and I think it turned more voters to Obama who was middle of the road in US terms.
The mark of the man's courage was demonstrated when he got out of hospital to vote late at night and appeared on the Floor with a huge patch over his eye. He voted using a 'thumbs down' gesture. He could barely stand and had just been told he had an inoperable brain tumour.
RIP Sir ...
As for Trump? What a complete cock. Or as my Yank friends call him: "One dumb schmuck" |
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"His only political mistake was tagging Sarah Palin as his running mate and I think it turned more voters to Obama who was middle of the road in US terms.
The mark of the man's courage was demonstrated when he got out of hospital to vote late at night and appeared on the Floor with a huge patch over his eye. He voted using a 'thumbs down' gesture. He could barely stand and had just been told he had an inoperable brain tumour.
RIP Sir ...
As for Trump? What a complete cock. Or as my Yank friends call him: "One dumb schmuck""
I normally like to play devils advocate with trump, but fuck me is he acting like a prick today. We're talking about a man who has done more for the Republican party than Trump will ever achieve and the best he can come up with is a tweet that looks like it was copied and pasted from when the office dog died. |
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"Nice comments from Bush and Obama. Trump still showing what a piece of white trash he is. "
That’s pretty harsh , as is the universal criticism of Trump for posting his condolences with a picture of himself on Twitter .
It’s common knowledge that they didn’t get along And Trump was the butt of his scathing comments and actions many times .
The fact is that Trump managed to get the presidential seat ( that McCain tried so hard to get but failed ) , and is honour bound to portray his condolences , which he did . The fact that he did so with a picture of himself is narcissistic , but that’s exactly what one would expect of him . No more and no less . They didn’t get on when McCain was alive so why should Trump pretend otherwise now he’s no longer with us ? |
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"Nice comments from Bush and Obama. Trump still showing what a piece of white trash he is.
That’s pretty harsh , as is the universal criticism of Trump for posting his condolences with a picture of himself on Twitter .
It’s common knowledge that they didn’t get along And Trump was the butt of his scathing comments and actions many times .
The fact is that Trump managed to get the presidential seat ( that McCain tried so hard to get but failed ) , and is honour bound to portray his condolences , which he did . The fact that he did so with a picture of himself is narcissistic , but that’s exactly what one would expect of him . No more and no less . They didn’t get on when McCain was alive so why should Trump pretend otherwise now he’s no longer with us ? "
Trump is the top guy in the Republican party. McCain has made an unquestionably large and valuable contribution to that party. Whatever Trump personally thinks of McCain, it's his damn job to go through the long list of achievements McCain has, pick one and make a nice comment on it. It's not like Obama and McCain didn't throw mud at each other in 2008, Obama can do it and he's not even in the same damn party. |
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"Nice comments from Bush and Obama. Trump still showing what a piece of white trash he is.
That’s pretty harsh , as is the universal criticism of Trump for posting his condolences with a picture of himself on Twitter .
It’s common knowledge that they didn’t get along And Trump was the butt of his scathing comments and actions many times .
The fact is that Trump managed to get the presidential seat ( that McCain tried so hard to get but failed ) , and is honour bound to portray his condolences , which he did . The fact that he did so with a picture of himself is narcissistic , but that’s exactly what one would expect of him . No more and no less . They didn’t get on when McCain was alive so why should Trump pretend otherwise now he’s no longer with us ?
Trump is the top guy in the Republican party. McCain has made an unquestionably large and valuable contribution to that party. Whatever Trump personally thinks of McCain, it's his damn job to go through the long list of achievements McCain has, pick one and make a nice comment on it. It's not like Obama and McCain didn't throw mud at each other in 2008, Obama can do it and he's not even in the same damn party. "
Yeah I get all that , but everyone knows Trump is Trump and he will never bow to what people think he should or shouldn’t do .
He and McCain never got on , McCain left his hospital bed to travel and vote against Trumps healthcare proposal a while back .
Are you really saying Trump should pretend they were friends and come up with some bullshit eulogy for him ? Surely that would be even worse than what he’s already done wouldn’t it ? |
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"Nice comments from Bush and Obama. Trump still showing what a piece of white trash he is.
That’s pretty harsh , as is the universal criticism of Trump for posting his condolences with a picture of himself on Twitter .
It’s common knowledge that they didn’t get along And Trump was the butt of his scathing comments and actions many times .
The fact is that Trump managed to get the presidential seat ( that McCain tried so hard to get but failed ) , and is honour bound to portray his condolences , which he did . The fact that he did so with a picture of himself is narcissistic , but that’s exactly what one would expect of him . No more and no less . They didn’t get on when McCain was alive so why should Trump pretend otherwise now he’s no longer with us ?
Trump is the top guy in the Republican party. McCain has made an unquestionably large and valuable contribution to that party. Whatever Trump personally thinks of McCain, it's his damn job to go through the long list of achievements McCain has, pick one and make a nice comment on it. It's not like Obama and McCain didn't throw mud at each other in 2008, Obama can do it and he's not even in the same damn party.
Yeah I get all that , but everyone knows Trump is Trump and he will never bow to what people think he should or shouldn’t do .
He and McCain never got on , McCain left his hospital bed to travel and vote against Trumps healthcare proposal a while back .
Are you really saying Trump should pretend they were friends and come up with some bullshit eulogy for him ? Surely that would be even worse than what he’s already done wouldn’t it ? "
It doesn’t mean we shouldn’t be able to call him out for his lack of respect just because we expect and know him to be continuously disrespectful - you don’t get a pass for being a consistent arse. |
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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago
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Trump repeatedly mocked McCain during his election for being taken prisoner during Vietnam, suggesting someone who had been captured by the enemy was somehow unworthy of being on the same stage as Trump.
President Bone Spurs.
Now, leave aside the politics. When did a commander in chief ever mock a solider of his own forces?
The family told Trump months ago to stay away from the funeral.
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By *abioMan
over a year ago
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he may not have shared much of the same politics as me... but my god what an american hero he was, and for that i will always admire his service!
he is what the republican party should be, and was a man of principle... his acceptance speech of the republican nomination, and the concession speech he gave the night he got beat by obama will stick with me because he brought a lot of the country together...
because of who he was he was offered to the chance to go home early... he didn't and they tried to break him... he stuck to first in, first out
trump was an asshole when it came to mccain, and was an asshole about mccain even up to a few days... the new increased defence spending bill is named after mccain, trump thanks everyone bringing it forward, thanks everyone in the audience of the speech he was giving to announce, and mentioned everyone except one person...
I am glad the family said in advance that trump was not going to be welcome at his funeral, in fact he should as close to a state funeral anyone should get that isn't a president.... obama and bush will do the eulogys at his funeral
he was something greater than just a party label, he worked across the best interest of the country... and i will always greatful of his last senate vote... the one that stopped trump killing the affordable care act..
in the end the only thing that broke mccain was father time.... and even then he stuck two middle fingers up to cancer in the process!!! |
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"Nice comments from Bush and Obama. Trump still showing what a piece of white trash he is.
That’s pretty harsh , as is the universal criticism of Trump for posting his condolences with a picture of himself on Twitter .
It’s common knowledge that they didn’t get along And Trump was the butt of his scathing comments and actions many times .
The fact is that Trump managed to get the presidential seat ( that McCain tried so hard to get but failed ) , and is honour bound to portray his condolences , which he did . The fact that he did so with a picture of himself is narcissistic , but that’s exactly what one would expect of him . No more and no less . They didn’t get on when McCain was alive so why should Trump pretend otherwise now he’s no longer with us ?
Trump is the top guy in the Republican party. McCain has made an unquestionably large and valuable contribution to that party. Whatever Trump personally thinks of McCain, it's his damn job to go through the long list of achievements McCain has, pick one and make a nice comment on it. It's not like Obama and McCain didn't throw mud at each other in 2008, Obama can do it and he's not even in the same damn party.
Yeah I get all that , but everyone knows Trump is Trump and he will never bow to what people think he should or shouldn’t do .
He and McCain never got on , McCain left his hospital bed to travel and vote against Trumps healthcare proposal a while back .
Are you really saying Trump should pretend they were friends and come up with some bullshit eulogy for him ? Surely that would be even worse than what he’s already done wouldn’t it ? "
They agreed on plenty. Trump was beating up the MIC for waste on things like the F-35 programme and McCain was all over that. You can say Trump is Trump, but he's not doing his job properly today. There's a party that was there before him and will be there after him. A lot of people in that party are very saddened by the loss of McCain. It's not like Trump is making himself look better this way. |
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"he may not have shared much of the same politics as me... but my god what an american hero he was, and for that i will always admire his service!
he is what the republican party should be, and was a man of principle... his acceptance speech of the republican nomination, and the concession speech he gave the night he got beat by obama will stick with me because he brought a lot of the country together...
because of who he was he was offered to the chance to go home early... he didn't and they tried to break him... he stuck to first in, first out
trump was an asshole when it came to mccain, and was an asshole about mccain even up to a few days... the new increased defence spending bill is named after mccain, trump thanks everyone bringing it forward, thanks everyone in the audience of the speech he was giving to announce, and mentioned everyone except one person...
I am glad the family said in advance that trump was not going to be welcome at his funeral, in fact he should as close to a state funeral anyone should get that isn't a president.... obama and bush will do the eulogys at his funeral
he was something greater than just a party label, he worked across the best interest of the country... and i will always greatful of his last senate vote... the one that stopped trump killing the affordable care act..
in the end the only thing that broke mccain was father time.... and even then he stuck two middle fingers up to cancer in the process!!! "
And that's how you do classy with someone who doesn't share your politics. Thank you Fabio  |
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"he may not have shared much of the same politics as me... but my god what an american hero he was, and for that i will always admire his service!
he is what the republican party should be, and was a man of principle... his acceptance speech of the republican nomination, and the concession speech he gave the night he got beat by obama will stick with me because he brought a lot of the country together...
because of who he was he was offered to the chance to go home early... he didn't and they tried to break him... he stuck to first in, first out
trump was an asshole when it came to mccain, and was an asshole about mccain even up to a few days... the new increased defence spending bill is named after mccain, trump thanks everyone bringing it forward, thanks everyone in the audience of the speech he was giving to announce, and mentioned everyone except one person...
I am glad the family said in advance that trump was not going to be welcome at his funeral, in fact he should as close to a state funeral anyone should get that isn't a president.... obama and bush will do the eulogys at his funeral
he was something greater than just a party label, he worked across the best interest of the country... and i will always greatful of his last senate vote... the one that stopped trump killing the affordable care act..
in the end the only thing that broke mccain was father time.... and even then he stuck two middle fingers up to cancer in the process!!! "
I was so into the 2008 election that I went to Washington to experience it on the night. I watched every debate and went bar to bar in Washington hearing people about the candidates. I do agree with McCain on the vast majority of issues and I like his style. Who doesn't think the 2008 debates were better quality than 2016!? He's an order of magnitude better than Trump, he just had the toughest opponent in recent memory and economy took the wind out his campaign. |
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"Nice comments from Bush and Obama. Trump still showing what a piece of white trash he is.
That’s pretty harsh , as is the universal criticism of Trump for posting his condolences with a picture of himself on Twitter .
It’s common knowledge that they didn’t get along And Trump was the butt of his scathing comments and actions many times .
The fact is that Trump managed to get the presidential seat ( that McCain tried so hard to get but failed ) , and is honour bound to portray his condolences , which he did . The fact that he did so with a picture of himself is narcissistic , but that’s exactly what one would expect of him . No more and no less . They didn’t get on when McCain was alive so why should Trump pretend otherwise now he’s no longer with us ?
Trump is the top guy in the Republican party. McCain has made an unquestionably large and valuable contribution to that party. Whatever Trump personally thinks of McCain, it's his damn job to go through the long list of achievements McCain has, pick one and make a nice comment on it. It's not like Obama and McCain didn't throw mud at each other in 2008, Obama can do it and he's not even in the same damn party.
Yeah I get all that , but everyone knows Trump is Trump and he will never bow to what people think he should or shouldn’t do .
He and McCain never got on , McCain left his hospital bed to travel and vote against Trumps healthcare proposal a while back .
Are you really saying Trump should pretend they were friends and come up with some bullshit eulogy for him ? Surely that would be even worse than what he’s already done wouldn’t it ?
They agreed on plenty. Trump was beating up the MIC for waste on things like the F-35 programme and McCain was all over that. You can say Trump is Trump, but he's not doing his job properly today. There's a party that was there before him and will be there after him. A lot of people in that party are very saddened by the loss of McCain. It's not like Trump is making himself look better this way. "
I agree with you , but I’m merely saying that the fact that people are surprised by Trumps reaction is surprising me . |
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"Nice comments from Bush and Obama. Trump still showing what a piece of white trash he is.
That’s pretty harsh , as is the universal criticism of Trump for posting his condolences with a picture of himself on Twitter .
It’s common knowledge that they didn’t get along And Trump was the butt of his scathing comments and actions many times .
The fact is that Trump managed to get the presidential seat ( that McCain tried so hard to get but failed ) , and is honour bound to portray his condolences , which he did . The fact that he did so with a picture of himself is narcissistic , but that’s exactly what one would expect of him . No more and no less . They didn’t get on when McCain was alive so why should Trump pretend otherwise now he’s no longer with us ?
Trump is the top guy in the Republican party. McCain has made an unquestionably large and valuable contribution to that party. Whatever Trump personally thinks of McCain, it's his damn job to go through the long list of achievements McCain has, pick one and make a nice comment on it. It's not like Obama and McCain didn't throw mud at each other in 2008, Obama can do it and he's not even in the same damn party.
Yeah I get all that , but everyone knows Trump is Trump and he will never bow to what people think he should or shouldn’t do .
He and McCain never got on , McCain left his hospital bed to travel and vote against Trumps healthcare proposal a while back .
Are you really saying Trump should pretend they were friends and come up with some bullshit eulogy for him ? Surely that would be even worse than what he’s already done wouldn’t it ?
They agreed on plenty. Trump was beating up the MIC for waste on things like the F-35 programme and McCain was all over that. You can say Trump is Trump, but he's not doing his job properly today. There's a party that was there before him and will be there after him. A lot of people in that party are very saddened by the loss of McCain. It's not like Trump is making himself look better this way.
I agree with you , but I’m merely saying that the fact that people are surprised by Trumps reaction is surprising me ."
Yes I'm surprised. I thought party would have made a difference. There was actually a moment in the 2016 elections where each candidate was challenged to compliment the other. Trump was quite classy to Clinton then, she was not. How he can manage to stomach a personal compliment for Clinton, but not McCain baffles me. Clearly he didn't have his weetabix this morning. |
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Obama said that despite being his Democratic rival, they had shared the ideals "for which generations of Americans and immigrants alike have fought, marched and sacrificed".
Obama is expected to give a eulogy at the funeral. Now that's classy. |
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"Nice comments from Bush and Obama. Trump still showing what a piece of white trash he is.
That’s pretty harsh , as is the universal criticism of Trump for posting his condolences with a picture of himself on Twitter .
It’s common knowledge that they didn’t get along And Trump was the butt of his scathing comments and actions many times .
The fact is that Trump managed to get the presidential seat ( that McCain tried so hard to get but failed ) , and is honour bound to portray his condolences , which he did . The fact that he did so with a picture of himself is narcissistic , but that’s exactly what one would expect of him . No more and no less . They didn’t get on when McCain was alive so why should Trump pretend otherwise now he’s no longer with us ?
Trump is the top guy in the Republican party. McCain has made an unquestionably large and valuable contribution to that party. Whatever Trump personally thinks of McCain, it's his damn job to go through the long list of achievements McCain has, pick one and make a nice comment on it. It's not like Obama and McCain didn't throw mud at each other in 2008, Obama can do it and he's not even in the same damn party.
Yeah I get all that , but everyone knows Trump is Trump and he will never bow to what people think he should or shouldn’t do .
He and McCain never got on , McCain left his hospital bed to travel and vote against Trumps healthcare proposal a while back .
Are you really saying Trump should pretend they were friends and come up with some bullshit eulogy for him ? Surely that would be even worse than what he’s already done wouldn’t it ?
They agreed on plenty. Trump was beating up the MIC for waste on things like the F-35 programme and McCain was all over that. You can say Trump is Trump, but he's not doing his job properly today. There's a party that was there before him and will be there after him. A lot of people in that party are very saddened by the loss of McCain. It's not like Trump is making himself look better this way.
I agree with you , but I’m merely saying that the fact that people are surprised by Trumps reaction is surprising me .
Yes I'm surprised. I thought party would have made a difference. There was actually a moment in the 2016 elections where each candidate was challenged to compliment the other. Trump was quite classy to Clinton then, she was not. How he can manage to stomach a personal compliment for Clinton, but not McCain baffles me. Clearly he didn't have his weetabix this morning. "
As you say it's quite easy. All he had to say was something like "everyone knows John and I had our disagreements, but he was a great American and the country is diminished by his death etc etc."
It's a phenomena of the times that the way to get ahead in Western politics is to be a juvenile arse. . See Johnson and Corbyn in the UK for example. |
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The issue I have with Trump is he has no idea of when to lay down the politics. He is President of the United States and Commander in Chief - therefore he has a duty to 'speak for the Nation', which means ALL of the nation, about someone who a) served his country in politics honourably and with humour and was elected 6 times and b) served his country in battle and bore the scars all his life. A man who cared deeply for war veterans.
Trump has let himself and his country down badly over this and has been shamed for it by a grieving family. Well done them.
And sorry just because 'its what he does' does NOT make it acceptable. It makes it worse because he seems to thick to learn.  |
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"Nice comments from Bush and Obama. Trump still showing what a piece of white trash he is.
That’s pretty harsh , as is the universal criticism of Trump for posting his condolences with a picture of himself on Twitter .
It’s common knowledge that they didn’t get along And Trump was the butt of his scathing comments and actions many times .
The fact is that Trump managed to get the presidential seat ( that McCain tried so hard to get but failed ) , and is honour bound to portray his condolences , which he did . The fact that he did so with a picture of himself is narcissistic , but that’s exactly what one would expect of him . No more and no less . They didn’t get on when McCain was alive so why should Trump pretend otherwise now he’s no longer with us ?
Trump is the top guy in the Republican party. McCain has made an unquestionably large and valuable contribution to that party. Whatever Trump personally thinks of McCain, it's his damn job to go through the long list of achievements McCain has, pick one and make a nice comment on it. It's not like Obama and McCain didn't throw mud at each other in 2008, Obama can do it and he's not even in the same damn party.
Yeah I get all that , but everyone knows Trump is Trump and he will never bow to what people think he should or shouldn’t do .
He and McCain never got on , McCain left his hospital bed to travel and vote against Trumps healthcare proposal a while back .
Are you really saying Trump should pretend they were friends and come up with some bullshit eulogy for him ? Surely that would be even worse than what he’s already done wouldn’t it ?
They agreed on plenty. Trump was beating up the MIC for waste on things like the F-35 programme and McCain was all over that. You can say Trump is Trump, but he's not doing his job properly today. There's a party that was there before him and will be there after him. A lot of people in that party are very saddened by the loss of McCain. It's not like Trump is making himself look better this way.
I agree with you , but I’m merely saying that the fact that people are surprised by Trumps reaction is surprising me .
Yes I'm surprised. I thought party would have made a difference. There was actually a moment in the 2016 elections where each candidate was challenged to compliment the other. Trump was quite classy to Clinton then, she was not. How he can manage to stomach a personal compliment for Clinton, but not McCain baffles me. Clearly he didn't have his weetabix this morning.
As you say it's quite easy. All he had to say was something like "everyone knows John and I had our disagreements, but he was a great American and the country is diminished by his death etc etc."
It's a phenomena of the times that the way to get ahead in Western politics is to be a juvenile arse. . See Johnson and Corbyn in the UK for example. "
I don't think it is the way to get ahead. I bet more Republican voters are irritated by the lack of respect shown, than impressed by whatever the fuck Trump thinks he's achieving. Trump never apologises for anything, but he did back track on criticising McCain's service record. Which is advisable given he dodged serving himself. |
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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago
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"Obama said that despite being his Democratic rival, they had shared the ideals "for which generations of Americans and immigrants alike have fought, marched and sacrificed".
Obama is expected to give a eulogy at the funeral. Now that's classy. "
Obama was classy. He still is.
Never a hint of scandal in 8 years.
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"Obama said that despite being his Democratic rival, they had shared the ideals "for which generations of Americans and immigrants alike have fought, marched and sacrificed".
Obama is expected to give a eulogy at the funeral. Now that's classy.
Obama was classy. He still is.
Never a hint of scandal in 8 years.
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Bush had some good words too:
"Some lives are so vivid, it is difficult to imagine them ended. Some voices are so vibrant, it is hard to think of them stilled. John McCain was a man of deep conviction and a patriot of the highest order."
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"Nice comments from Bush and Obama. Trump still showing what a piece of white trash he is.
That’s pretty harsh , as is the universal criticism of Trump for posting his condolences with a picture of himself on Twitter .
It’s common knowledge that they didn’t get along And Trump was the butt of his scathing comments and actions many times .
The fact is that Trump managed to get the presidential seat ( that McCain tried so hard to get but failed ) , and is honour bound to portray his condolences , which he did . The fact that he did so with a picture of himself is narcissistic , but that’s exactly what one would expect of him . No more and no less . They didn’t get on when McCain was alive so why should Trump pretend otherwise now he’s no longer with us ? "
Because trump is the commander in chief and John Mcain served his country both in the military where he endured torture at the hands of an enemy of the country, he also served as a politician where he exhibited many if the traits that even if one dies not agree with his politics one can respect..
The fact that trump has acted in the pathetic childish manner that he has only seeks to confirm that he could live a thousand lifetimes and never reach the same integrity as Mcain..
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"Nice comments from Bush and Obama. Trump still showing what a piece of white trash he is.
That’s pretty harsh , as is the universal criticism of Trump for posting his condolences with a picture of himself on Twitter .
It’s common knowledge that they didn’t get along And Trump was the butt of his scathing comments and actions many times .
The fact is that Trump managed to get the presidential seat ( that McCain tried so hard to get but failed ) , and is honour bound to portray his condolences , which he did . The fact that he did so with a picture of himself is narcissistic , but that’s exactly what one would expect of him . No more and no less . They didn’t get on when McCain was alive so why should Trump pretend otherwise now he’s no longer with us ?
Because trump is the commander in chief and John Mcain served his country both in the military where he endured torture at the hands of an enemy of the country, he also served as a politician where he exhibited many if the traits that even if one dies not agree with his politics one can respect..
The fact that trump has acted in the pathetic childish manner that he has only seeks to confirm that he could live a thousand lifetimes and never reach the same integrity as Mcain..
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Don't blame Trump for not being able to comprehend what McCain went through, he had a doctors note after all. Fucking coward. |
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"Nice comments from Bush and Obama. Trump still showing what a piece of white trash he is.
That’s pretty harsh , as is the universal criticism of Trump for posting his condolences with a picture of himself on Twitter .
It’s common knowledge that they didn’t get along And Trump was the butt of his scathing comments and actions many times .
The fact is that Trump managed to get the presidential seat ( that McCain tried so hard to get but failed ) , and is honour bound to portray his condolences , which he did . The fact that he did so with a picture of himself is narcissistic , but that’s exactly what one would expect of him . No more and no less . They didn’t get on when McCain was alive so why should Trump pretend otherwise now he’s no longer with us ?
Trump is the top guy in the Republican party. McCain has made an unquestionably large and valuable contribution to that party. Whatever Trump personally thinks of McCain, it's his damn job to go through the long list of achievements McCain has, pick one and make a nice comment on it. It's not like Obama and McCain didn't throw mud at each other in 2008, Obama can do it and he's not even in the same damn party.
Yeah I get all that , but everyone knows Trump is Trump and he will never bow to what people think he should or shouldn’t do .
He and McCain never got on , McCain left his hospital bed to travel and vote against Trumps healthcare proposal a while back .
Are you really saying Trump should pretend they were friends and come up with some bullshit eulogy for him ? Surely that would be even worse than what he’s already done wouldn’t it ?
They agreed on plenty. Trump was beating up the MIC for waste on things like the F-35 programme and McCain was all over that. You can say Trump is Trump, but he's not doing his job properly today. There's a party that was there before him and will be there after him. A lot of people in that party are very saddened by the loss of McCain. It's not like Trump is making himself look better this way.
I agree with you , but I’m merely saying that the fact that people are surprised by Trumps reaction is surprising me .
Yes I'm surprised. I thought party would have made a difference. There was actually a moment in the 2016 elections where each candidate was challenged to compliment the other. Trump was quite classy to Clinton then, she was not. How he can manage to stomach a personal compliment for Clinton, but not McCain baffles me. Clearly he didn't have his weetabix this morning.
As you say it's quite easy. All he had to say was something like "everyone knows John and I had our disagreements, but he was a great American and the country is diminished by his death etc etc."
It's a phenomena of the times that the way to get ahead in Western politics is to be a juvenile arse. . See Johnson and Corbyn in the UK for example.
I don't think it is the way to get ahead. I bet more Republican voters are irritated by the lack of respect shown, than impressed by whatever the fuck Trump thinks he's achieving. Trump never apologises for anything, but he did back track on criticising McCain's service record. Which is advisable given he dodged serving himself. "
The point I think is that the old rules don't apply and the new populists have realised that. A tiny bit of What Trump has done. (pussy grabbing, stable genius etc etc etc) would have destroyed a politicians career twenty years ago. Ditto with Johnsons brazen lies, Corbyn knocking around with a string of anti semites. All with no discernible effect on their popularity with their base.
I see it as the classic revolt of "authenticity" /romanticism as opposed to liberalism//rationalism. We saw it post the Napoleonic wars and in the rise of fascism. Both times world systems that proclaimed their being based on reason and rationality had collapsed in war, destruction and economic chaos. And people forget about reason and want people who know what they believe and are happy to proclaim it.
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"Nice comments from Bush and Obama. Trump still showing what a piece of white trash he is.
That’s pretty harsh , as is the universal criticism of Trump for posting his condolences with a picture of himself on Twitter .
It’s common knowledge that they didn’t get along And Trump was the butt of his scathing comments and actions many times .
The fact is that Trump managed to get the presidential seat ( that McCain tried so hard to get but failed ) , and is honour bound to portray his condolences , which he did . The fact that he did so with a picture of himself is narcissistic , but that’s exactly what one would expect of him . No more and no less . They didn’t get on when McCain was alive so why should Trump pretend otherwise now he’s no longer with us ?
Trump is the top guy in the Republican party. McCain has made an unquestionably large and valuable contribution to that party. Whatever Trump personally thinks of McCain, it's his damn job to go through the long list of achievements McCain has, pick one and make a nice comment on it. It's not like Obama and McCain didn't throw mud at each other in 2008, Obama can do it and he's not even in the same damn party.
Yeah I get all that , but everyone knows Trump is Trump and he will never bow to what people think he should or shouldn’t do .
He and McCain never got on , McCain left his hospital bed to travel and vote against Trumps healthcare proposal a while back .
Are you really saying Trump should pretend they were friends and come up with some bullshit eulogy for him ? Surely that would be even worse than what he’s already done wouldn’t it ?
They agreed on plenty. Trump was beating up the MIC for waste on things like the F-35 programme and McCain was all over that. You can say Trump is Trump, but he's not doing his job properly today. There's a party that was there before him and will be there after him. A lot of people in that party are very saddened by the loss of McCain. It's not like Trump is making himself look better this way.
I agree with you , but I’m merely saying that the fact that people are surprised by Trumps reaction is surprising me .
Yes I'm surprised. I thought party would have made a difference. There was actually a moment in the 2016 elections where each candidate was challenged to compliment the other. Trump was quite classy to Clinton then, she was not. How he can manage to stomach a personal compliment for Clinton, but not McCain baffles me. Clearly he didn't have his weetabix this morning.
As you say it's quite easy. All he had to say was something like "everyone knows John and I had our disagreements, but he was a great American and the country is diminished by his death etc etc."
It's a phenomena of the times that the way to get ahead in Western politics is to be a juvenile arse. . See Johnson and Corbyn in the UK for example.
I don't think it is the way to get ahead. I bet more Republican voters are irritated by the lack of respect shown, than impressed by whatever the fuck Trump thinks he's achieving. Trump never apologises for anything, but he did back track on criticising McCain's service record. Which is advisable given he dodged serving himself.
The point I think is that the old rules don't apply and the new populists have realised that. A tiny bit of What Trump has done. (pussy grabbing, stable genius etc etc etc) would have destroyed a politicians career twenty years ago. Ditto with Johnsons brazen lies, Corbyn knocking around with a string of anti semites. All with no discernible effect on their popularity with their base.
I see it as the classic revolt of "authenticity" /romanticism as opposed to liberalism//rationalism. We saw it post the Napoleonic wars and in the rise of fascism. Both times world systems that proclaimed their being based on reason and rationality had collapsed in war, destruction and economic chaos. And people forget about reason and want people who know what they believe and are happy to proclaim it.
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I don't think so, there are still red lines and insulting veterans is one of them. He's hardly a cookie cutter Republican anyway, most Republican voters can find something they don't like about him anyway. Find me a redneck that agrees McCain isn't a warhero. |
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Its sad that a guy died but millions do every day and as i dont really know who he is and have no conection to him at all
I have no feelings on it one way or another |
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