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By *y Favorite Pornstar OP Couple over a year ago

Basingstoke

Saudi Arabia's public prosecutor is pressing for the death sentence for feminist Israa al-Ghomgham and 4 others.

Their alledged crimes are:

- "incitement to protest,"

- "chanting slogans hostile to the regime",

- "attempting to inflame public opinion",

- "filming protests and publishing on social media",

- "providing moral support to rioters",

Whilst western feminists are busy worrying about how the colour pink stops girls studying STEM subjects, it seems there are some women with real problems that could use their support.

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By *ara JTV/TS over a year ago

Bristol East

A medieval regime. And to think it was the UK that nominated them to chair the UN human rights council. Shameful.

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By *aekaeWoman over a year ago

Between a cock and a soft place

"Saudi Arabia's public prosecutor is pressing for the death sentence for feminist Israa al-Ghomgham and 4 others.

Their alledged crimes are:

- "incitement to protest,"

- "chanting slogans hostile to the regime",

- "attempting to inflame public opinion",

- "filming protests and publishing on social media",

- "providing moral support to rioters",

Whilst western feminists are busy worrying about how the colour pink stops girls studying STEM subjects, it seems there are some women with real problems that could use their support. "

I'm sure someone will get their mob together and go on a protest march. This is something genuinly worthy of action.

I doubt if the march will be in Saudi though.

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By *y Favorite Pornstar OP Couple over a year ago

Basingstoke

"Saudi Arabia's public prosecutor is pressing for the death sentence for feminist Israa al-Ghomgham and 4 others.

Their alledged crimes are:

- "incitement to protest,"

- "chanting slogans hostile to the regime",

- "attempting to inflame public opinion",

- "filming protests and publishing on social media",

- "providing moral support to rioters",

Whilst western feminists are busy worrying about how the colour pink stops girls studying STEM subjects, it seems there are some women with real problems that could use their support.

I'm sure someone will get their mob together and go on a protest march. This is something genuinly worthy of action.

I doubt if the march will be in Saudi though.

I'll be interested to see if they do

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Saudi Arabia's public prosecutor is pressing for the death sentence for feminist Israa al-Ghomgham and 4 others.

Their alledged crimes are:

- "incitement to protest,"

- "chanting slogans hostile to the regime",

- "attempting to inflame public opinion",

- "filming protests and publishing on social media",

- "providing moral support to rioters",

Whilst western feminists are busy worrying about how the colour pink stops girls studying STEM subjects, it seems there are some women with real problems that could use their support. "

To be honest, both subjects are worthy of attention. Just because there is a person in abject plight in another country that doesn’t undermine the need for continued change in this.

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By *y Favorite Pornstar OP Couple over a year ago

Basingstoke

"Saudi Arabia's public prosecutor is pressing for the death sentence for feminist Israa al-Ghomgham and 4 others.

Their alledged crimes are:

- "incitement to protest,"

- "chanting slogans hostile to the regime",

- "attempting to inflame public opinion",

- "filming protests and publishing on social media",

- "providing moral support to rioters",

Whilst western feminists are busy worrying about how the colour pink stops girls studying STEM subjects, it seems there are some women with real problems that could use their support.

To be honest, both subjects are worthy of attention. Just because there is a person in abject plight in another country that doesn’t undermine the need for continued change in this. "

Do you anticipate protests, social media attention to call for her release / pardon and general enthusiasm for Israa al-Ghomgham as the issues that feminists manage to find in the UK?

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By *agermeisterMan over a year ago

Leeds

"Saudi Arabia's public prosecutor is pressing for the death sentence for feminist Israa al-Ghomgham and 4 others.

Their alledged crimes are:

- "incitement to protest,"

- "chanting slogans hostile to the regime",

- "attempting to inflame public opinion",

- "filming protests and publishing on social media",

- "providing moral support to rioters",

Whilst western feminists are busy worrying about how the colour pink stops girls studying STEM subjects, it seems there are some women with real problems that could use their support. "

Why dont you do something? Perhaps you could write to your MP to stop this government being one of the chief arms exporters to this regime?

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By *rlo67Man over a year ago

Dumfries

Israa al-Ghamgham, was executed by beheading in Saudi Arabia on 19th August for criticising the regime.

This is a country the UK regards as an "ally" and helped vote into the position of Chair of the UN Human Rights Committee.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

If other countries tried to interfere with our laws we would be on the streets in protest demanding that they mind their own business. All too often our government try and interfere with other countries and how they’re run. We should put our own house in order first.

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By *y Favorite Pornstar OP Couple over a year ago

Basingstoke

" Israa al-Ghamgham, was executed by beheading in Saudi Arabia on 19th August for criticising the regime.

This is a country the UK regards as an "ally" and helped vote into the position of Chair of the UN Human Rights Committee."

The news story is 4 hours old so I don't think she's been executed already?

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By *iffaWoman over a year ago

wherever

I no fuck all about modern feminism so can’t comment on that part.

I seriously do not understand how no one I’m the world seems to care about the horrific human rights violations that come from Saudi or how they have destroyed Yemen. I don’t understand how anyone could choose to go there and personally think other countries should cease trade with them. But hey amazing what we can forgive the oil country for

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By *y Favorite Pornstar OP Couple over a year ago

Basingstoke

"If other countries tried to interfere with our laws we would be on the streets in protest demanding that they mind their own business. All too often our government try and interfere with other countries and how they’re run. We should put our own house in order first. "

That's a valid point. Can you see why some men would feel it's a bit rich to complain about the UK when most of the world is closer to Saudi than it is the UK?

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By *rlo67Man over a year ago

Dumfries

" Israa al-Ghamgham, was executed by beheading in Saudi Arabia on 19th August for criticising the regime.

This is a country the UK regards as an "ally" and helped vote into the position of Chair of the UN Human Rights Committee.

The news story is 4 hours old so I don't think she's been executed already?"

I saw on Twitter a couple of days ago from someone I thought reliable. A Google search gives conflicting reports. Israeli websites say it has happened, there are some fake videos of another woman’s execution. Who knows?

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By *y Favorite Pornstar OP Couple over a year ago

Basingstoke

" Israa al-Ghamgham, was executed by beheading in Saudi Arabia on 19th August for criticising the regime.

This is a country the UK regards as an "ally" and helped vote into the position of Chair of the UN Human Rights Committee.

The news story is 4 hours old so I don't think she's been executed already?

Not convinced by the reports of her death. I very much doubt they will actually execute her. They have the most progressive crown prince in a long time and are modernising at what is a rapid pace for the region. But they don't take kindly to being pushed faster.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

That's a valid point. Can you see why some men would feel it's a bit rich to complain about the UK when most of the world is closer to Saudi than it is the UK? "

That’s not what this poster is saying...

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By *y Favorite Pornstar OP Couple over a year ago

Basingstoke

That's a valid point. Can you see why some men would feel it's a bit rich to complain about the UK when most of the world is closer to Saudi than it is the UK?

That’s not what this poster is saying..."

I already agreed with what they were saying. I'm asking a new question. Feel free to answer as well, opinions welcome.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

That's a valid point. Can you see why some men would feel it's a bit rich to complain about the UK when most of the world is closer to Saudi than it is the UK? "

I’m a little bit lost as to what your point is OP? Are you saying that feminists should march or are you condemning them for not rallying to this cause? Is this another thinly veiled attack on modern feminism for daring to focus on issues on their own doorstep that are directly relevant to our children?

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By *y Favorite Pornstar OP Couple over a year ago

Basingstoke

That's a valid point. Can you see why some men would feel it's a bit rich to complain about the UK when most of the world is closer to Saudi than it is the UK?

I'm asking if they are going to organise against this? The story is 4 hours old so let's give them a chance. Not heard much outrage yet though.

What you said is interesting though. In your opinion, are there any womens issues in this country that you think are higher priority for women's rights than the issue I'm highlighting?

Just asking your opinion.

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman over a year ago

The Town by The Cross

I'm with you O.P.

I think the next time there are huge job losses in this country we should all go and protest in Latvia.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

This thread isn't actually about showing support and solidarity to what is happening in Saudi is it?

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By *y Favorite Pornstar OP Couple over a year ago

Basingstoke

"This thread isn't actually about showing support and solidarity to what is happening in Saudi is it? "

If i was a feminist then this news story would be the worst thing is read in ages and I'd be mobilising everything i could against it. Personally i don't think she's done anything bad and I hope the case gets dropped. But i agree with the poster who said about interfering with the internal dealings of another country. I'm honestly interested in what the feminist reaction will be to this if you'd care to enlighten me?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"This thread isn't actually about showing support and solidarity to what is happening in Saudi is it?

The left are always very selective with who they’re angry at.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Are you saying that, if we see or hear of injustice and oppression abroad, we should just shrug and say ' not our country, not our problem'?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

That's a valid point. Can you see why some men would feel it's a bit rich to complain about the UK when most of the world is closer to Saudi than it is the UK?

I'm asking if they are going to organise against this? The story is 4 hours old so let's give them a chance. Not heard much outrage yet though.

What you said is interesting though. In your opinion, are there any womens issues in this country that you think are higher priority for women's rights than the issue I'm highlighting?

Just asking your opinion. "

Human rights violations occur every day, as a human being do you rush to the streets waving your banner in solidarity against China or Russia?

If not then why do ask this about feminists?

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By *y Favorite Pornstar OP Couple over a year ago

Basingstoke

That's a valid point. Can you see why some men would feel it's a bit rich to complain about the UK when most of the world is closer to Saudi than it is the UK?

I'm asking if they are going to organise against this? The story is 4 hours old so let's give them a chance. Not heard much outrage yet though.

What you said is interesting though. In your opinion, are there any womens issues in this country that you think are higher priority for women's rights than the issue I'm highlighting?

Just asking your opinion.

Human rights violations occur every day, as a human being do you rush to the streets waving your banner in solidarity against China or Russia?

If not then why do ask this about feminists? "

There are causes that I specifically care about and yes I donate money when specific issues arise in them. It's interesting that multiple feminists can't just answer a simple question and keep trying to turn the thread about me.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"This thread isn't actually about showing support and solidarity to what is happening in Saudi is it? "

No it really isn’t, I hear the sound of an axe grinding.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"This thread isn't actually about showing support and solidarity to what is happening in Saudi is it?

Not really no. As I say the agenda of this thread is painfully transparent, it, like many of your threads us about goading the left, the feminists, the SJWs or whatever label you are currently using. I suspect you care not one iota for civil rights campaignera in Saudi given your clear contempt across multiple threads for anyone even close to having a concern for civil rights and equality in the UK. And as I've said before, I tend to take the mods much touted advice of ignoring people I don't get on with, particularly as any discussion you are inolved in often ends up with what I view as belittling and insulting comments. I really can't be done with it.

So i will call you out on using the likely murder of civil rights activists by the Saudi regime as yet another way to attack feminists, but beyond that I'm out

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

That's a valid point. Can you see why some men would feel it's a bit rich to complain about the UK when most of the world is closer to Saudi than it is the UK?

I'm asking if they are going to organise against this? The story is 4 hours old so let's give them a chance. Not heard much outrage yet though.

What you said is interesting though. In your opinion, are there any womens issues in this country that you think are higher priority for women's rights than the issue I'm highlighting?

Just asking your opinion.

Human rights violations occur every day, as a human being do you rush to the streets waving your banner in solidarity against China or Russia?

If not then why do ask this about feminists?

Your simple question is what? ‘What are you going to do about it?’

This whole thread and topic seems very divisive from a habitual anti feminist, just my opinion by the way...

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By *y Favorite Pornstar OP Couple over a year ago

Basingstoke

That's a valid point. Can you see why some men would feel it's a bit rich to complain about the UK when most of the world is closer to Saudi than it is the UK?

I'm asking if they are going to organise against this? The story is 4 hours old so let's give them a chance. Not heard much outrage yet though.

What you said is interesting though. In your opinion, are there any womens issues in this country that you think are higher priority for women's rights than the issue I'm highlighting?

Just asking your opinion.

Human rights violations occur every day, as a human being do you rush to the streets waving your banner in solidarity against China or Russia?

If not then why do ask this about feminists?

Your simple question is what? ‘What are you going to do about it?’

This whole thread and topic seems very divisive from a habitual anti feminist, just my opinion by the way..."

No i explicitly asked you if you felt there were any womens rights issues in this country that were as high priority as the one I'm highlighting? I'd genuinely like to hear your opinion.

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By *y Favorite Pornstar OP Couple over a year ago

Basingstoke

"This thread isn't actually about showing support and solidarity to what is happening in Saudi is it?

So i will call you out on using the likely murder of civil rights activists by the Saudi regime as yet another way to attack feminists, but beyond that I'm out

It's fine if you think I don't really care. I'm not donating money to this cause or protesting, I'm honest about that. Apparently you do care but you're going to do as much as me on the matter so enjoy the moral high ground.

I was interested in a discussion since there are complex issues like sovereignty which some people are open to discuss. As ever, you only deflect complex issues and real debate.

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple over a year ago

in Lancashire

"A medieval regime. And to think it was the UK that nominated them to chair the UN human rights council. Shameful."

Got to keep them sweet so they keep buying our weapons to use on children in Yemen etc..

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

That's a valid point. Can you see why some men would feel it's a bit rich to complain about the UK when most of the world is closer to Saudi than it is the UK?

I'm asking if they are going to organise against this? The story is 4 hours old so let's give them a chance. Not heard much outrage yet though.

What you said is interesting though. In your opinion, are there any womens issues in this country that you think are higher priority for women's rights than the issue I'm highlighting?

Just asking your opinion.

Human rights violations occur every day, as a human being do you rush to the streets waving your banner in solidarity against China or Russia?

If not then why do ask this about feminists?

Your simple question is what? ‘What are you going to do about it?’

This whole thread and topic seems very divisive from a habitual anti feminist, just my opinion by the way...

No i explicitly asked you if you felt there were any womens rights issues in this country that were as high priority as the one I'm highlighting? I'd genuinely like to hear your opinion."

Sadly I don’t get to set the priorities on the feminist board anymore, my status as spokesperson was revoked last week.

I find it interesting that you read about the issue and decided that it was a good stick to try and beat feminists with though.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Why does it have to be a feminist issue, I see it first and foremost as a death penalty issue...; and as I am anti the death penalty, I have done something about making my voice heard.

OP, are you pro or anti the death penalty?

If you are anti, have you done anything about this specific case, or do you feel goading feminists on Fab is a more important issue?

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By *oachman 9CoolMan over a year ago

derby

"A medieval regime. And to think it was the UK that nominated them to chair the UN human rights council. Shameful."
true to think its 500 years ago their still liveing and they can,t go forward no wonder there,s no trust from many outsiders who writes the rules the clerics to rule the country with fear is their way of law.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Are you saying that, if we see or hear of injustice and oppression abroad, we should just shrug and say ' not our country, not our problem'?"

If it doesn’t affect me, my family or my friends then yes, I’m saying exactly that.

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By *y Favorite Pornstar OP Couple over a year ago

Basingstoke

That's a valid point. Can you see why some men would feel it's a bit rich to complain about the UK when most of the world is closer to Saudi than it is the UK?

I'm asking if they are going to organise against this? The story is 4 hours old so let's give them a chance. Not heard much outrage yet though.

What you said is interesting though. In your opinion, are there any womens issues in this country that you think are higher priority for women's rights than the issue I'm highlighting?

Just asking your opinion.

Human rights violations occur every day, as a human being do you rush to the streets waving your banner in solidarity against China or Russia?

If not then why do ask this about feminists?

Your simple question is what? ‘What are you going to do about it?’

This whole thread and topic seems very divisive from a habitual anti feminist, just my opinion by the way...

No i explicitly asked you if you felt there were any womens rights issues in this country that were as high priority as the one I'm highlighting? I'd genuinely like to hear your opinion.

Sadly I don’t get to set the priorities on the feminist board anymore, my status as spokesperson was revoked last week.

I find it interesting that you read about the issue and decided that it was a good stick to try and beat feminists with though. "

I find it interesting that you can't answer basic questions about your own opinions but since you obviously won't answer the question then there's no need to continue.

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By *y Favorite Pornstar OP Couple over a year ago

Basingstoke

"Why does it have to be a feminist issue, I see it first and foremost as a death penalty issue...; and as I am anti the death penalty, I have done something about making my voice heard.

OP, are you pro or anti the death penalty?

If you are anti, have you done anything about this specific case, or do you feel goading feminists on Fab is a more important issue?"

I'm anti-death penalty.

This issue is probably the most common response that anti-feminists use to discredit feminists - "Why don't you protest where there are real issues?". Usually that point is abstract but since there was a real case in the news, I thought I'd see what they'd do when confronted with a tangible example. If you follow the thread you can see that they don't represent themselves well and basically live up to every negative stereotype about them.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"This thread isn't actually about showing support and solidarity to what is happening in Saudi is it?

So i will call you out on using the likely murder of civil rights activists by the Saudi regime as yet another way to attack feminists, but beyond that I'm out

I was interested in a discussion since there are complex issues like sovereignty which some people are open to discuss. As ever, you only deflect complex issues and real debate. "

It was a mighty fine flounce though. Surely the Saudi authorities will take that into account when deciding this poor woman's fate?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Why does it have to be a feminist issue, I see it first and foremost as a death penalty issue...; and as I am anti the death penalty, I have done something about making my voice heard.

OP, are you pro or anti the death penalty?

If you are anti, have you done anything about this specific case, or do you feel goading feminists on Fab is a more important issue?

I'm anti-death penalty.

No, ‘they’ simply refuse to play along with your trite anti feminist agenda

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By *y Favorite Pornstar OP Couple over a year ago

Basingstoke

"This thread isn't actually about showing support and solidarity to what is happening in Saudi is it?

So i will call you out on using the likely murder of civil rights activists by the Saudi regime as yet another way to attack feminists, but beyond that I'm out

I was interested in a discussion since there are complex issues like sovereignty which some people are open to discuss. As ever, you only deflect complex issues and real debate.

It was a mighty fine flounce though. Surely the Saudi authorities will take that into account when deciding this poor woman's fate?"

I don't think they'll go through with it and I hope they don't. This is the year women got the right to drive so it would go against the flow.

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By *y Favorite Pornstar OP Couple over a year ago

Basingstoke

"Why does it have to be a feminist issue, I see it first and foremost as a death penalty issue...; and as I am anti the death penalty, I have done something about making my voice heard.

OP, are you pro or anti the death penalty?

If you are anti, have you done anything about this specific case, or do you feel goading feminists on Fab is a more important issue?

I'm anti-death penalty.

No, ‘they’ simply refuse to play along with your trite anti feminist agenda"

Yeah by refusing to explain your beliefs to people, you're really sticking it to the man

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Why does it have to be a feminist issue, I see it first and foremost as a death penalty issue...; and as I am anti the death penalty, I have done something about making my voice heard.

OP, are you pro or anti the death penalty?

If you are anti, have you done anything about this specific case, or do you feel goading feminists on Fab is a more important issue?

I'm anti-death penalty.

I am not protesting *where* there are real issues as it is against the law to do so in Saudi and I don’t have the monies to pop over. I am protesting at the SA embassy though and working with Amnesty International.

You’re right it’s a response thrown at feminists a lot by people who fail to understand that it’s all part of the same protest, or realise that it’s possible to multitask. You wouldn’t be that daft though OP, now would you?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

So OP, as someone who is anti death penalty, what are you doing to help protest or address this awful situation?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Why does it have to be a feminist issue, I see it first and foremost as a death penalty issue...; and as I am anti the death penalty, I have done something about making my voice heard.

OP, are you pro or anti the death penalty?

If you are anti, have you done anything about this specific case, or do you feel goading feminists on Fab is a more important issue?

I'm anti-death penalty.

No, ‘they’ simply refuse to play along with your trite anti feminist agenda

Yeah by refusing to explain your beliefs to people, you're really sticking it to the man

No I’m refusing to feed your stance by lending it credence, I’m not refusing to explain anything to ‘people’ I’m refusing to play your anti feminist hate game. There’s quite a big difference there.

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By *y Favorite Pornstar OP Couple over a year ago

Basingstoke

"Why does it have to be a feminist issue, I see it first and foremost as a death penalty issue...; and as I am anti the death penalty, I have done something about making my voice heard.

OP, are you pro or anti the death penalty?

If you are anti, have you done anything about this specific case, or do you feel goading feminists on Fab is a more important issue?

I'm anti-death penalty.

I disagree with the second paragraph but commend you for the first one. Maybe you can convince some of the keyboard warriors to join you. I would be genuinely interested to hear about the protest when it happens, either by a thread or PM.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Why does it have to be a feminist issue, I see it first and foremost as a death penalty issue...; and as I am anti the death penalty, I have done something about making my voice heard.

OP, are you pro or anti the death penalty?

If you are anti, have you done anything about this specific case, or do you feel goading feminists on Fab is a more important issue?

I'm anti-death penalty.

Come and join. SA embassy tomorrow.

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By *y Favorite Pornstar OP Couple over a year ago

Basingstoke

"So OP, as someone who is anti death penalty, what are you doing to help protest or address this awful situation?"

In this specific example I'm doing nothing because i think the issue of not interfering in the domestic affairs of another country are the higher principle here, especially when you appreciate how much MBS is doing to modernise the country at the moment. As you know, there are other causes that I care a lot about and I'll continue to donate money to them every month.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Why does it have to be a feminist issue, I see it first and foremost as a death penalty issue...; and as I am anti the death penalty, I have done something about making my voice heard.

OP, are you pro or anti the death penalty?

If you are anti, have you done anything about this specific case, or do you feel goading feminists on Fab is a more important issue?

I'm anti-death penalty.

Just out of interest, are you protesting about the possible execution of this woman, the possible execution of all of the five protesters, or the execution itself on anti-death penalty beliefs?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"So OP, as someone who is anti death penalty, what are you doing to help protest or address this awful situation?

Very convenient

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By *y Favorite Pornstar OP Couple over a year ago

Basingstoke

"So OP, as someone who is anti death penalty, what are you doing to help protest or address this awful situation?

Very convenient "

I'd happily put my knowledge of Saudi Arabian history, current leadership and regional politics against one who has already commented on this thread and see who has the more considered opinion on the matter.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"So OP, as someone who is anti death penalty, what are you doing to help protest or address this awful situation?

Ah okay, execute these ones because you’ve given women the right to drive and I’d like to pay you on the head. Gotcha.

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By *y Favorite Pornstar OP Couple over a year ago

Basingstoke

"So OP, as someone who is anti death penalty, what are you doing to help protest or address this awful situation?

Ah okay, execute these ones because you’ve given women the right to drive and I’d like to pay you on the head. Gotcha.

As I've said two or three times already, i very much doubt they will. I'm sure you see the direction MBS is taking the country. No doubt there are backwards people in the country who want to see it happen, but i hope and trust that MBS will win this fight.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Why does it have to be a feminist issue, I see it first and foremost as a death penalty issue...; and as I am anti the death penalty, I have done something about making my voice heard.

OP, are you pro or anti the death penalty?

If you are anti, have you done anything about this specific case, or do you feel goading feminists on Fab is a more important issue?

I'm anti-death penalty.

Just out of interest, are you protesting about the possible execution of this woman, the possible execution of all of the five protesters, or the execution itself on anti-death penalty beliefs?"

What’s the interest? Do *you* think there’s an issue protesting one, two or all?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"So OP, as someone who is anti death penalty, what are you doing to help protest or address this awful situation?

Ah okay, execute these ones because you’ve given women the right to drive and I’d like to pat you on the head. Gotcha.

I understand your point, it can still be extrapolated as meaning exactly what I posted though.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"So OP, as someone who is anti death penalty, what are you doing to help protest or address this awful situation?

Very convenient

Give it a rest and make your missus a brew, she’ll like that.

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By *y Favorite Pornstar OP Couple over a year ago

Basingstoke

"So OP, as someone who is anti death penalty, what are you doing to help protest or address this awful situation?

Ah okay, execute these ones because you’ve given women the right to drive and I’d like to pat you on the head. Gotcha.

I understand your point, it can still be extrapolated as meaning exactly what I posted though.

If you're being facetious and think MBS is just paying lip service to progressive ideas. Do you? I don't. I'm not saying he's a feminist at heart, but i think he's doing what's in his best interests which happens to coincide with womens rights.

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By *iss.RedWoman over a year ago

somewhere

If someone keeps having to make the point they are 'genuinely interested' in others opinions it starts to sound a little disingenuous

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"So OP, as someone who is anti death penalty, what are you doing to help protest or address this awful situation?

Ah okay, execute these ones because you’ve given women the right to drive and I’d like to pat you on the head. Gotcha.

I understand your point, it can still be extrapolated as meaning exactly what I posted though.

You misunderstand where I targeted my facetiousness.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"If someone keeps having to make the point they are 'genuinely interested' in others opinions it starts to sound a little disingenuous

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Why does it have to be a feminist issue, I see it first and foremost as a death penalty issue...; and as I am anti the death penalty, I have done something about making my voice heard.

OP, are you pro or anti the death penalty?

If you are anti, have you done anything about this specific case, or do you feel goading feminists on Fab is a more important issue?

I'm anti-death penalty.

Just out of interest, are you protesting about the possible execution of this woman, the possible execution of all of the five protesters, or the execution itself on anti-death penalty beliefs?

What’s the interest? Do *you* think there’s an issue protesting one, two or all?"

Not at all, I'm just curious as to the main focus of the protest. Which is............?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

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By *y Favorite Pornstar OP Couple over a year ago

Basingstoke

"If someone keeps having to make the point they are 'genuinely interested' in others opinions it starts to sound a little disingenuous

If they keep getting accused of being disingenuous then it's necessary. Feel free to contribute to the core issues of the thread.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Also OP, in the spirit of your discursive style can I ask why you are complaining about this specific situation when there are more serious things happening in the world that you could/should be complaining about - or are you saying this one is the most important?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Why does it have to be a feminist issue, I see it first and foremost as a death penalty issue...; and as I am anti the death penalty, I have done something about making my voice heard.

OP, are you pro or anti the death penalty?

If you are anti, have you done anything about this specific case, or do you feel goading feminists on Fab is a more important issue?

I'm anti-death penalty.

Just out of interest, are you protesting about the possible execution of this woman, the possible execution of all of the five protesters, or the execution itself on anti-death penalty beliefs?

What’s the interest? Do *you* think there’s an issue protesting one, two or all?

Not at all, I'm just curious as to the main focus of the protest. Which is............?"

All. Death penalty top for me.

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By *y Favorite Pornstar OP Couple over a year ago

Basingstoke

"Also OP, in the spirit of your discursive style can I ask why you are complaining about this specific situation when there are more serious things happening in the world that you could/should be complaining about - or are you saying this one is the most important?"

I'm trying to understand the world view of people who see gender issues as a top priority. Unfortunately this thread did nothing to improve their reputation. You're the only person doing anything and you cover a much broader range of human rights issues than feminism does anyway. It baffles me how they can be so disinterested in this case but hey ho. I'm still in the dark.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

But are you talking to anyone here that is saying gender issues *are* their top priority in the world, or are you deciding that that is their world view based on the fact they have commented in opposition to your views on threads about that specific topic? That seems a very non-robust and baffling thing to do.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

What are the more serious things?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Are you saying that, if we see or hear of injustice and oppression abroad, we should just shrug and say ' not our country, not our problem'?

If it doesn’t affect me, my family or my friends then yes, I’m saying exactly that. "

I'm very pleased to be able to say that I don't share your attitude.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

What are the more serious things?"

You seem to have missed my point here, I’m not saying that!

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By *evil_u_knowMan over a year ago

city

If they are the rules in their country then they should obey them or pay the price.

Just like if they come to the EU to escape them rules they should obey our rules and show equality to everyone and not bring the customs they say they are fleeing, with them.

Also if UK wants to be best friends with Saudis as they kill women, oh well, it wont be the worst thing a friend of the UK has done.

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By *y Favorite Pornstar OP Couple over a year ago

Basingstoke

Are you saying that, if we see or hear of injustice and oppression abroad, we should just shrug and say ' not our country, not our problem'?

If it doesn’t affect me, my family or my friends then yes, I’m saying exactly that.

I'm very pleased to be able to say that I don't share your attitude."

I don't share it either and I thought it was a great question to ask. Unfortunately there's no simple answer. International relations is anarchical and therefore we are always wide open to claims of hypocrisy or inconsistency about what we will and won't turn a blind eye to.

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By *y Favorite Pornstar OP Couple over a year ago

Basingstoke

Yes I'm making that leap with all its imperfections. I don't believe you're the only feminist on the thread.

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By *y Favorite Pornstar OP Couple over a year ago

Basingstoke

"If they are the rules in their country then they should obey them or pay the price.

Just like if they come to the EU to escape them rules they should obey our rules and show equality to everyone and not bring the customs they say they are fleeing, with them.

Also if UK wants to be best friends with Saudis as they kill women, oh well, it wont be the worst thing a friend of the UK has done."

That's the extreme of the sovereignty argument. Thanks for contributing to the central issues of the thread, unlike most.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Yes I'm making that leap with all its imperfections. I don't believe you're the only feminist on the thread. "

Being a feminist doesn’t mean that you have to hold up gender issues as your world view top priority at all times though?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

The thing is, as I and others have said, multiple threads have shown that you stifle debate and seem to have little interest in other opinions.

It;s a little rich to play the victim card and feel hard done by that no one other than Estella wants to play that game on this topic.

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By *y Favorite Pornstar OP Couple over a year ago

Basingstoke

Yes I'm making that leap with all its imperfections. I don't believe you're the only feminist on the thread.

Being a feminist doesn’t mean that you have to hold up gender issues as your world view top priority at all times though?

As i said earlier, if I was a feminist, I can't think of a more clear cut and high priority issue than this case. You share some of that logic or you wouldn't be getting off your ass tomorrow. Evidently that logic doesn't hold well for the wider group. Was your protest arranged today or were they aware of the case before hand?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Why does it have to be a feminist issue, I see it first and foremost as a death penalty issue...; and as I am anti the death penalty, I have done something about making my voice heard.

OP, are you pro or anti the death penalty?

If you are anti, have you done anything about this specific case, or do you feel goading feminists on Fab is a more important issue?

I'm anti-death penalty.

Just out of interest, are you protesting about the possible execution of this woman, the possible execution of all of the five protesters, or the execution itself on anti-death penalty beliefs?

What’s the interest? Do *you* think there’s an issue protesting one, two or all?

Not at all, I'm just curious as to the main focus of the protest. Which is............?

All. Death penalty top for me."

Splendid

Best of luck with it

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"If they are the rules in their country then they should obey them or pay the price.

Just like if they come to the EU to escape them rules they should obey our rules and show equality to everyone and not bring the customs they say they are fleeing, with them.

Also if UK wants to be best friends with Saudis as they kill women, oh well, it wont be the worst thing a friend of the UK has done."

Are you seriously suggesting that this woman should have known that the penalty for protesting against the despotic,barbaric is death and that if she couldn't do the time,she shouldn't have done the crime? So she deserves what she gets? To be executed for protesting?

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By *y Favorite Pornstar OP Couple over a year ago

Basingstoke

The thing is, as I and others have said, multiple threads have shown that you stifle debate and seem to have little interest in other opinions.

It;s a little rich to play the victim card and feel hard done by that no one other than Estella wants to play that game on this topic. "

Nothing stiffles debate more than people who fling 50 questions whilst refusing to answer any or even define the basic terms they use. Some of us are also having a very nice discussion about the sovereignty angle too.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

The thing is, as I and others have said, multiple threads have shown that you stifle debate and seem to have little interest in other opinions.

It;s a little rich to play the victim card and feel hard done by that no one other than Estella wants to play that game on this topic. "

And to be honest, I find it tiring because there isn’t an interest in listening, in my experience either, it’s the first opportunity to twist the question, move the goal posts and tell the other poster what they think whilst shouting ideologue rather than wanting to understand and learn others’ thoughts.

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By *alking DisasterWoman over a year ago

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The thing is, as I and others have said, multiple threads have shown that you stifle debate and seem to have little interest in other opinions.

It;s a little rich to play the victim card and feel hard done by that no one other than Estella wants to play that game on this topic. "

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By *y Favorite Pornstar OP Couple over a year ago

Basingstoke

The thing is, as I and others have said, multiple threads have shown that you stifle debate and seem to have little interest in other opinions.

It;s a little rich to play the victim card and feel hard done by that no one other than Estella wants to play that game on this topic.

So I'm impressed by your protest and i think it's great you are doing something. Shall we twist that into a negative? Have I said anything negative to you on this thread?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Yes I'm making that leap with all its imperfections. I don't believe you're the only feminist on the thread.

Being a feminist doesn’t mean that you have to hold up gender issues as your world view top priority at all times though?

Dovetailing with another.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

The thing is, as I and others have said, multiple threads have shown that you stifle debate and seem to have little interest in other opinions.

It;s a little rich to play the victim card and feel hard done by that no one other than Estella wants to play that game on this topic.

So I'm impressed by your protest and i think it's great you are doing something. Shall we twist that into a negative? Have I said anything negative to you on this thread? "

And yet I didn’t say specifically in this thread. I said “in my experience”.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

The thing is, as I and others have said, multiple threads have shown that you stifle debate and seem to have little interest in other opinions.

It;s a little rich to play the victim card and feel hard done by that no one other than Estella wants to play that game on this topic.

So I'm impressed by your protest and i think it's great you are doing something. Shall we twist that into a negative? Have I said anything negative to you on this thread?

And yet I didn’t say specifically in this thread. I said “in my experience”."

Nor did I say “twist into a negative”.

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By *y Favorite Pornstar OP Couple over a year ago

Basingstoke

The thing is, as I and others have said, multiple threads have shown that you stifle debate and seem to have little interest in other opinions.

It;s a little rich to play the victim card and feel hard done by that no one other than Estella wants to play that game on this topic.

So I'm impressed by your protest and i think it's great you are doing something. Shall we twist that into a negative? Have I said anything negative to you on this thread?

And yet I didn’t say specifically in this thread. I said “in my experience”."

So what do you want to say on this issue that I'm not listening to?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

The thing is, as I and others have said, multiple threads have shown that you stifle debate and seem to have little interest in other opinions.

It;s a little rich to play the victim card and feel hard done by that no one other than Estella wants to play that game on this topic.

Exactly this, this thread isn’t about ‘learning others views’ it’s another opportunity to expose your views and shout down or twist the argument.

Attempting to cry foul when people refuse to play your stacked game is laughable and a little sad.

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By *y Favorite Pornstar OP Couple over a year ago

Basingstoke

The thing is, as I and others have said, multiple threads have shown that you stifle debate and seem to have little interest in other opinions.

It;s a little rich to play the victim card and feel hard done by that no one other than Estella wants to play that game on this topic.

Exactly this, this thread isn’t about ‘learning others views’ it’s another opportunity to expose your views and shout down or twist the argument.

Attempting to cry foul when people refuse to play your stacked game is laughable and a little sad. "

Some people have made valuable contributions to the thread, two people in particular have posted a lot but not said anything of value.

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By *r MoriartyMan over a year ago

The Land that time forgot (Norfolk)

"If someone keeps having to make the point they are 'genuinely interested' in others opinions it starts to sound a little disingenuous

I'm genuinely interested if you faf?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

The thing is, as I and others have said, multiple threads have shown that you stifle debate and seem to have little interest in other opinions.

It;s a little rich to play the victim card and feel hard done by that no one other than Estella wants to play that game on this topic.

Exactly this, this thread isn’t about ‘learning others views’ it’s another opportunity to expose your views and shout down or twist the argument.

Attempting to cry foul when people refuse to play your stacked game is laughable and a little sad.

Some people have made valuable contributions to the thread, two people in particular have posted a lot but not said anything of value."

Valuable in your opinion, again; your view. Other people’s opinions of this thread and the posters views are just as legitimate as yours.

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By *y Favorite Pornstar OP Couple over a year ago

Basingstoke

The thing is, as I and others have said, multiple threads have shown that you stifle debate and seem to have little interest in other opinions.

It;s a little rich to play the victim card and feel hard done by that no one other than Estella wants to play that game on this topic.

Exactly this, this thread isn’t about ‘learning others views’ it’s another opportunity to expose your views and shout down or twist the argument.

Attempting to cry foul when people refuse to play your stacked game is laughable and a little sad.

Some people have made valuable contributions to the thread, two people in particular have posted a lot but not said anything of value.

Valuable in your opinion, again; your view. Other people’s opinions of this thread and the posters views are just as legitimate as yours. "

You started to make a relevant point in your first post, but didn't want to expand upon it and it's been all downhill from there. Never too late though, only asking your opinions. You've already predicted that whatever you say, I'll twist it. So you're really in a win-win scenario. Either i twist it and you can point to your earlier posts or I don't twist it and everyone can see you've made a valid contribution to the thread.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

The thing is, as I and others have said, multiple threads have shown that you stifle debate and seem to have little interest in other opinions.

It;s a little rich to play the victim card and feel hard done by that no one other than Estella wants to play that game on this topic.

Exactly this, this thread isn’t about ‘learning others views’ it’s another opportunity to expose your views and shout down or twist the argument.

Attempting to cry foul when people refuse to play your stacked game is laughable and a little sad.

Some people have made valuable contributions to the thread, two people in particular have posted a lot but not said anything of value."

I guess that depends on perspective. I

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

The thing is, as I and others have said, multiple threads have shown that you stifle debate and seem to have little interest in other opinions.

It;s a little rich to play the victim card and feel hard done by that no one other than Estella wants to play that game on this topic.

Exactly this, this thread isn’t about ‘learning others views’ it’s another opportunity to expose your views and shout down or twist the argument.

Attempting to cry foul when people refuse to play your stacked game is laughable and a little sad.

Some people have made valuable contributions to the thread, two people in particular have posted a lot but not said anything of value.

Valuable in your opinion, again; your view. Other people’s opinions of this thread and the posters views are just as legitimate as yours.

Please don’t patronise me.

You’ve ignored every post or comment that points to your agenda regarding this subject and ‘everyone’ can see exactly what that is.

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By *y Favorite Pornstar OP Couple over a year ago

Basingstoke

The thing is, as I and others have said, multiple threads have shown that you stifle debate and seem to have little interest in other opinions.

It;s a little rich to play the victim card and feel hard done by that no one other than Estella wants to play that game on this topic.

Exactly this, this thread isn’t about ‘learning others views’ it’s another opportunity to expose your views and shout down or twist the argument.

Attempting to cry foul when people refuse to play your stacked game is laughable and a little sad.

Some people have made valuable contributions to the thread, two people in particular have posted a lot but not said anything of value.

I guess that depends on perspective. I"

It's an objective fact that you haven't made any comments that even relate to the subject of the thread.

I'm guessing you're in the "it's a bad thing but i feel helpless because it's in another country" camp, but you don't care to contribute. Other people have said we should restrict trade with countries like that, that's one idea. You couldn't even be bothered to discuss that with them. As i say, not too late.

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By *y Favorite Pornstar OP Couple over a year ago

Basingstoke

The thing is, as I and others have said, multiple threads have shown that you stifle debate and seem to have little interest in other opinions.

It;s a little rich to play the victim card and feel hard done by that no one other than Estella wants to play that game on this topic.

Exactly this, this thread isn’t about ‘learning others views’ it’s another opportunity to expose your views and shout down or twist the argument.

Attempting to cry foul when people refuse to play your stacked game is laughable and a little sad.

Some people have made valuable contributions to the thread, two people in particular have posted a lot but not said anything of value.

Valuable in your opinion, again; your view. Other people’s opinions of this thread and the posters views are just as legitimate as yours.

Please don’t patronise me.

You’ve ignored every post or comment that points to your agenda regarding this subject and ‘everyone’ can see exactly what that is. "

Anyone can read the thread and see what i have and haven't responded to

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

The thing is, as I and others have said, multiple threads have shown that you stifle debate and seem to have little interest in other opinions.

It;s a little rich to play the victim card and feel hard done by that no one other than Estella wants to play that game on this topic.

Exactly this, this thread isn’t about ‘learning others views’ it’s another opportunity to expose your views and shout down or twist the argument.

Attempting to cry foul when people refuse to play your stacked game is laughable and a little sad.

Some people have made valuable contributions to the thread, two people in particular have posted a lot but not said anything of value.

I guess that depends on perspective. I

It's an objective fact that you haven't made any comments that even relate to the subject of the thread.

I refer you to my very first post on the thread

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

The thing is, as I and others have said, multiple threads have shown that you stifle debate and seem to have little interest in other opinions.

It;s a little rich to play the victim card and feel hard done by that no one other than Estella wants to play that game on this topic.

Exactly this, this thread isn’t about ‘learning others views’ it’s another opportunity to expose your views and shout down or twist the argument.

Attempting to cry foul when people refuse to play your stacked game is laughable and a little sad.

Some people have made valuable contributions to the thread, two people in particular have posted a lot but not said anything of value.

Valuable in your opinion, again; your view. Other people’s opinions of this thread and the posters views are just as legitimate as yours.

Please don’t patronise me.

You’ve ignored every post or comment that points to your agenda regarding this subject and ‘everyone’ can see exactly what that is.

Anyone can read the thread and see what i have and haven't responded to

It;s not just this thread is it though?

I think people aren;t rising tpo the bait as using the possible execution of someone as a reason to belittle feminists is. well just a bit low

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By *y Favorite Pornstar OP Couple over a year ago

Basingstoke

So in summary,

# of people who commented on the severity of the case; 4

# of people who question our trade and diplomatic relationships with the regime: 4

# of people debating the sovereignty issue: 4

# of people actively protesting the issue: 1

# of people who had to make the thread about them / me: 2

Good ratios for the lounge, thanks to everyone who can stay on subject

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By *y Favorite Pornstar OP Couple over a year ago

Basingstoke

The thing is, as I and others have said, multiple threads have shown that you stifle debate and seem to have little interest in other opinions.

It;s a little rich to play the victim card and feel hard done by that no one other than Estella wants to play that game on this topic.

Exactly this, this thread isn’t about ‘learning others views’ it’s another opportunity to expose your views and shout down or twist the argument.

Attempting to cry foul when people refuse to play your stacked game is laughable and a little sad.

Some people have made valuable contributions to the thread, two people in particular have posted a lot but not said anything of value.

Valuable in your opinion, again; your view. Other people’s opinions of this thread and the posters views are just as legitimate as yours.

Please don’t patronise me.

You’ve ignored every post or comment that points to your agenda regarding this subject and ‘everyone’ can see exactly what that is.

Anyone can read the thread and see what i have and haven't responded to

It;s not just this thread is it though?

I think people aren;t rising tpo the bait as using the possible execution of someone as a reason to belittle feminists is. well just a bit low"

See my stats above, 14 people had a conversation about the issues, you were in the 2 that couldn't. Says more about you than it does me. Good night.

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By *ara JTV/TS over a year ago

Bristol East

Saudi is the midwife of terrorism.

Most of the 9/11 attackers came from Saudi.

It spawns the Sunni extremists.

They hate the Shia with a vengeance.

Sectarianism.

They adhere to this very strict form of Islam.

A puppet government installed by the British decades ago, and existing in harmony with the religious mullahs who dictate the law.

A thoroughly backward and obnoxious regime.

We, the people of Britain, support it, through the actions of our Government.

Not a harsh word will ever be said lest it cuts off:

a) oil

b) arms sales

c) intelligence in jihadis in Saudi

No principles there, other than utter self-interest.

The next time Theresa May tells you she is a feminist, ask her about this case, the treatment of women in Saudi and what she did or did not do to change it.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"So in summary,

# of people who commented on the severity of the case; 4

# of people who question our trade and diplomatic relationships with the regime: 4

# of people debating the sovereignty issue: 4

# of people actively protesting the issue: 1

# of people who had to make the thread about them / me: 2

Good ratios for the lounge, thanks to everyone who can stay on subject

“Whilst western feminists are busy worrying about how the colour pink stops girls studying STEM subjects, it seems there are some women with real problems that could use their support.”

# turning a situation that could result in people’s death into an opportunity to tell anyone who calls themselves feminist that they’re (something but the implication is negative from the above quote’s wording) because they may have had the audacity to also talk on a thread at some point about gender stereotypes and that simply must mean if they don’t make this issue their true mission in life they should not be allowed to have another opportunity to express their discontent whilst simultaneously not doing ‘owt about the aforementioned issue but also being miffed that they are challenged on their posting bias and discursive style : 1

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By *y Favorite Pornstar OP Couple over a year ago

Basingstoke

"Saudi is the midwife of terrorism.

Most of the 9/11 attackers came from Saudi.

It spawns the Sunni extremists.

They hate the Shia with a vengeance.

Sectarianism.

They adhere to this very strict form of Islam.

A puppet government installed by the British decades ago, and existing in harmony with the religious mullahs who dictate the law.

A thoroughly backward and obnoxious regime.

We, the people of Britain, support it, through the actions of our Government.

Not a harsh word will ever be said lest it cuts off:

a) oil

b) arms sales

c) intelligence in jihadis in Saudi

No principles there, other than utter self-interest.

The next time Theresa May tells you she is a feminist, ask her about this case, the treatment of women in Saudi and what she did or did not do to change it.

There's a faction in the country that fits the description you gave. But 51% of the population is under 25, now that's a very high risk factor for revolution and the Royal family are very much aware of that. That's why they've been taking progressive steps like allowing women to drive, which really did not come as a result of any international pressure. The question is which faction of power in the country will succeed.

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By *y Favorite Pornstar OP Couple over a year ago

Basingstoke

"So in summary,

# of people who commented on the severity of the case; 4

# of people who question our trade and diplomatic relationships with the regime: 4

# of people debating the sovereignty issue: 4

# of people actively protesting the issue: 1

# of people who had to make the thread about them / me: 2

Good ratios for the lounge, thanks to everyone who can stay on subject

“Whilst western feminists are busy worrying about how the colour pink stops girls studying STEM subjects, it seems there are some women with real problems that could use their support.”

Nice use of hyperbole about my hyperbole. You know what you did there and I know what i did in the OP.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"So in summary,

# of people who commented on the severity of the case; 4

# of people who question our trade and diplomatic relationships with the regime: 4

# of people debating the sovereignty issue: 4

# of people actively protesting the issue: 1

# of people who had to make the thread about them / me: 2

Good ratios for the lounge, thanks to everyone who can stay on subject

“Whilst western feminists are busy worrying about how the colour pink stops girls studying STEM subjects, it seems there are some women with real problems that could use their support.”

Nice use of hyperbole about my hyperbole. You know what you did there and I know what i did in the OP."

Its clear that you know what you did in the OP, however when you got called out on it you:

A. Played the victim.

B. Ignored the posts made about it.

C. Patronised those questioning you and your motives.

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By *y Favorite Pornstar OP Couple over a year ago

Basingstoke

"So in summary,

# of people who commented on the severity of the case; 4

# of people who question our trade and diplomatic relationships with the regime: 4

# of people debating the sovereignty issue: 4

# of people actively protesting the issue: 1

# of people who had to make the thread about them / me: 2

Good ratios for the lounge, thanks to everyone who can stay on subject

“Whilst western feminists are busy worrying about how the colour pink stops girls studying STEM subjects, it seems there are some women with real problems that could use their support.”

Nice use of hyperbole about my hyperbole. You know what you did there and I know what i did in the OP.

Its clear that you know what you did in the OP, however when you got called out on it you:

A. Played the victim.

B. Ignored the posts made about it.

C. Patronised those questioning you and your motives.

The whole purpose of hyperbole is to filter out those who don't really have anything to say and are just coming to regurgitate ideology on the thread. Sorry you feel into the trap but there's a 7:1 ratio of people who didn't.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

So I have a question, and I’m not purporting to know the answer per se;

If we should be praising of someone like MBS as a way of keeping things moving (even horrifyingly slowly) in terms of progression, then what’s the difference with the conversations Jeremy Corbyn had with militant Irish Republicans as part of encouraging a move to peace?

And if it’s okay to keep relationships neutral and communication flowing, why can’t we (as JC did) condemn the acts whilst having the open dialogue?

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By *ara JTV/TS over a year ago

Bristol East

I remember about 2/3 years ago, one weekend afternoon, being on the benches outside a bar in Bristol and being eyed by this group of young, good-looking lads.

Oh well, nothing ventured, nothing gained, I thought.

So I went for a cigarette, engaged with their banter and discovered it was a group of young Saudi lads.

Students at the university in Bristol.

A different culture, I could tell.

How they viewed people.

They seemed to be letting their hair down here, so to speak.

I was seriously tempted by one.

But the fact he was in a gang of lads deterred me.

I like a gang-bang, but I suspect I'd have ended up like a rag doll!

lol

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By *y Favorite Pornstar OP Couple over a year ago

Basingstoke

"So I have a question, and I’m not purporting to know the answer per se;

And if it’s okay to keep relationships neutral and communication flowing, why can’t we (as JC did) condemn the acts whilst having the open dialogue?"

Excellent question. I don't think there is a fixed answer, since relationships between countries is anarchist, it's all about the timing and context. There are also ways and means of having relations with less than desirable groups, which is why we have ambassadors who meet before leaders do and avoid the kind of criticisms thrown at Corbyn. I'd guess he didn't really expect to ever be leader and didn't expect to have to deal with it in that sense, pure guess though.

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By *y Favorite Pornstar OP Couple over a year ago

Basingstoke

I remember about 2/3 years ago, one weekend afternoon, being on the benches outside a bar in Bristol and being eyed by this group of young, good-looking lads.

Oh well, nothing ventured, nothing gained, I thought.

So I went for a cigarette, engaged with their banter and discovered it was a group of young Saudi lads.

Students at the university in Bristol.

A different culture, I could tell.

How they viewed people.

Please go on, what were your observations?

They seemed to be letting their hair down here, so to speak.

I was seriously tempted by one.

But the fact he was in a gang of lads deterred me.

I like a gang-bang, but I suspect I'd have ended up like a rag doll!

lol"

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"So in summary,

# of people who commented on the severity of the case; 4

# of people who question our trade and diplomatic relationships with the regime: 4

# of people debating the sovereignty issue: 4

# of people actively protesting the issue: 1

# of people who had to make the thread about them / me: 2

Good ratios for the lounge, thanks to everyone who can stay on subject

“Whilst western feminists are busy worrying about how the colour pink stops girls studying STEM subjects, it seems there are some women with real problems that could use their support.”

Nice use of hyperbole about my hyperbole. You know what you did there and I know what i did in the OP.

Its clear that you know what you did in the OP, however when you got called out on it you:

A. Played the victim.

B. Ignored the posts made about it.

C. Patronised those questioning you and your motives.

Regurgitate ideology or grind their own personal axe under the guise of a human rights issue...

You can pretend the higher intellectual line (again) but frankly this isn’t the first time that your discursive style has been legitimately questioned and your agendas called out.

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By *y Favorite Pornstar OP Couple over a year ago

Basingstoke

"So I have a question, and I’m not purporting to know the answer per se;

And if it’s okay to keep relationships neutral and communication flowing, why can’t we (as JC did) condemn the acts whilst having the open dialogue?

For example, if we didn't sell them arms, what would the negative impact be to them? Every time there's been a major arms deal to them, there's been another western power (e.g. france or america) perfectly willing to meet all their needs if we weren't. If all of us refused to deal with them, they'd use chinese or Russian stuff. Is it as good as ours? No. Would it do everything they want against Yemen. Yes.

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By *ara JTV/TS over a year ago

Bristol East

Please go on, what were your observations?

I love banter. I love a laugh. But my instincts tell me when I am in a position requiring reverse gear.

That was one.

Gang of lads.

Suppose they are they same anywhere, when drinking.

Except when you've grown up in a very strict culture and you are let loose in a liberal one like the UK.

Instincts, prejudice, who knows . . . could've been the shag of my life, I suppose lolol

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

There country there rules let's just keep out of it not saying it's right but who are we to moan

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By *ust PeachyWoman over a year ago

Prestonish

"Saudi Arabia's public prosecutor is pressing for the death sentence for feminist Israa al-Ghomgham and 4 others.

Their alledged crimes are:

- "incitement to protest,"

- "chanting slogans hostile to the regime",

- "attempting to inflame public opinion",

- "filming protests and publishing on social media",

- "providing moral support to rioters",

Whilst western feminists are busy worrying about how the colour pink stops girls studying STEM subjects, it seems there are some women with real problems that could use their support. "

Tbh I couldn’t agree with you more (for once!) I grew up in the 80’s when it was perfectly ok for builders to wolf whistle you and I probably had my arse slapped on a daily basis (still do pretty regularly tbh!) I know I’m stereotyping, but many young women in the 21st century uk seem to get het up over the tiniest of things - forgetting that many women in other countries have literally no rights at all!

If you’re a woman- where you’re born is essentially a global postcode lottery - and it’s time that gross inequality came to an end!

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By *y Favorite Pornstar OP Couple over a year ago

Basingstoke

Please go on, what were your observations?

I love banter. I love a laugh. But my instincts tell me when I am in a position requiring reverse gear.

That was one.

Gang of lads.

Suppose they are they same anywhere, when drinking.

Except when you've grown up in a very strict culture and you are let loose in a liberal one like the UK.

Instincts, prejudice, who knows . . . could've been the shag of my life, I suppose lolol"

I've heard that a lot. They take the idea that "what happens on tour, stays on tour" to heart. They go on tour a lot.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Saudi Arabia's public prosecutor is pressing for the death sentence for feminist Israa al-Ghomgham and 4 others.

Their alledged crimes are:

- "incitement to protest,"

- "chanting slogans hostile to the regime",

- "attempting to inflame public opinion",

- "filming protests and publishing on social media",

- "providing moral support to rioters",

Whilst western feminists are busy worrying about how the colour pink stops girls studying STEM subjects, it seems there are some women with real problems that could use their support.

If you’re a woman- where you’re born is essentially a global postcode lottery - and it’s time that gross inequality came to an end!"

I’m not much younger than you, but I wholeheartedly disagree that it’s an either or choice here.

With that aside, out of interest, what are the actions you’d personally recommend taking (or do take) as an individual who believes the inequality should be rectified and to balance the postcode lottery? I definitely agree with you there, that something needs to be done.

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By *y Favorite Pornstar OP Couple over a year ago

Basingstoke

"Saudi Arabia's public prosecutor is pressing for the death sentence for feminist Israa al-Ghomgham and 4 others.

Their alledged crimes are:

- "incitement to protest,"

- "chanting slogans hostile to the regime",

- "attempting to inflame public opinion",

- "filming protests and publishing on social media",

- "providing moral support to rioters",

Whilst western feminists are busy worrying about how the colour pink stops girls studying STEM subjects, it seems there are some women with real problems that could use their support.

If you’re a woman- where you’re born is essentially a global postcode lottery - and it’s time that gross inequality came to an end!"

I know some people will twist what I'm about to say, but it is nice to hear people acknowledge the rapid progress that's been made in this country. My mother tells me absolute horror stories about her time at school and the options you had, if for example a teacher came onto you in the 1960's (run or hide basically). I'm not saying there are no areas for improvement left.

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By *ickygirl41Woman over a year ago

Glasgow

"This thread isn't actually about showing support and solidarity to what is happening in Saudi is it?

Imo this is an excuse post OP

You obvs have issues with whatever your definition of feminism is.

If we hit the wee green button will see you lamenting the 3 women stabbed after protests in Chile? Maybe a rant about NI women deserving the same access to reproductive healthcare as the rest of the UK and Ireland. Did you celebrate the equal pay judgements recently? Unions and feminists worked hard on that one, about 11 years.

You say you're sitting back waiting to see what feminists say. What does that achieve?

You'll cherrypick facts that fit your world view. You seem to be vehment in your opposition to feminism. It's unlikely anything said here will change that.... I'll need to go now. Admiral Ahkbar is on the phone

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By *y Favorite Pornstar OP Couple over a year ago

Basingstoke

"This thread isn't actually about showing support and solidarity to what is happening in Saudi is it?

Imo this is an excuse post OP

You obvs have issues with whatever your definition of feminism is.

You say you're sitting back waiting to see what feminists say. What does that achieve?

No idea what the chile story you're talking about is. Nor do I know what equal pay judgements you're talking about, the equal pay act was 1970 by the way. Your assumption that all feminists are pro abortion is also false.

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By *ickygirl41Woman over a year ago

Glasgow

"This thread isn't actually about showing support and solidarity to what is happening in Saudi is it?

Imo this is an excuse post OP

You obvs have issues with whatever your definition of feminism is.

You say you're sitting back waiting to see what feminists say. What does that achieve?

Excellent cherrypicking.

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By *y Favorite Pornstar OP Couple over a year ago

Basingstoke

"This thread isn't actually about showing support and solidarity to what is happening in Saudi is it?

Imo this is an excuse post OP

You obvs have issues with whatever your definition of feminism is.

You say you're sitting back waiting to see what feminists say. What does that achieve?

Excellent cherrypicking.

No i just have no idea what you're on about. What did I say about Chilean women getting stabbed? Which thread are you talking about?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"This thread isn't actually about showing support and solidarity to what is happening in Saudi is it?

Imo this is an excuse post OP

You obvs have issues with whatever your definition of feminism is.

You say you're sitting back waiting to see what feminists say. What does that achieve?

Excellent cherrypicking.

No i just have no idea what you're on about. What did I say about Chilean women getting stabbed? Which thread are you talking about? "

I think the poster was pointing out your lack of positive posting on topics that might be of interest to feminists and hence the potential that those calling your bias out might be on to something.

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By *wisted999Man over a year ago

North Bucks

A pointless protest outside the embassy and a few lines on a blog are not going to do shit for feminism in Saudi.

Change is happening at a very slow pace from within. The outrageous activity of the religious police has caused internal concern and let’s hope this change gathers pace. Their is also still slavery that nobody seems to mention.

We need Teflon Tony to cook up some WMD’s for some real regime change what could possibly go wrong?

Let’s hope this brave lady does not get executed she has Balls for sure!

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By *y Favorite Pornstar OP Couple over a year ago

Basingstoke

"This thread isn't actually about showing support and solidarity to what is happening in Saudi is it?

Imo this is an excuse post OP

You obvs have issues with whatever your definition of feminism is.

You say you're sitting back waiting to see what feminists say. What does that achieve?

Excellent cherrypicking.

No i just have no idea what you're on about. What did I say about Chilean women getting stabbed? Which thread are you talking about?

I think the poster was pointing out your lack of positive posting on topics that might be of interest to feminists and hence the potential that those calling your bias out might be on to something.

I haven't posted at all on any threads about Chilean women getting stabbed, haven't seem them either. Is that the best criticism you can come up with, that I don't post on every single thread and I'm pro-life

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"This thread isn't actually about showing support and solidarity to what is happening in Saudi is it?

Imo this is an excuse post OP

You obvs have issues with whatever your definition of feminism is.

You say you're sitting back waiting to see what feminists say. What does that achieve?

Excellent cherrypicking.

No i just have no idea what you're on about. What did I say about Chilean women getting stabbed? Which thread are you talking about?

I think the poster was pointing out your lack of positive posting on topics that might be of interest to feminists and hence the potential that those calling your bias out might be on to something.

It’s teasing you. Perhaps you missed the nuance.

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By *y Favorite Pornstar OP Couple over a year ago

Basingstoke

"A pointless protest outside the embassy and a few lines on a blog are not going to do shit for feminism in Saudi.

Personally i agree, but i respect the fact they are doing what they think is best in line with a consistent set of values

Indeed

We need Teflon Tony to cook up some WMD’s for some real regime change what could possibly go wrong?

Let’s hope this brave lady does not get executed she has Balls for sure! "

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By *dam and slutCouple over a year ago

Manchester

"Saudi Arabia's public prosecutor is pressing for the death sentence for feminist Israa al-Ghomgham and 4 others.

Their alledged crimes are:

- "incitement to protest,"

- "chanting slogans hostile to the regime",

- "attempting to inflame public opinion",

- "filming protests and publishing on social media",

- "providing moral support to rioters",

Whilst western feminists are busy worrying about how the colour pink stops girls studying STEM subjects, it seems there are some women with real problems that could use their support. "

I thought I read they had executed her.

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By *y Favorite Pornstar OP Couple over a year ago

Basingstoke

"Saudi Arabia's public prosecutor is pressing for the death sentence for feminist Israa al-Ghomgham and 4 others.

Their alledged crimes are:

- "incitement to protest,"

- "chanting slogans hostile to the regime",

- "attempting to inflame public opinion",

- "filming protests and publishing on social media",

- "providing moral support to rioters",

Whilst western feminists are busy worrying about how the colour pink stops girls studying STEM subjects, it seems there are some women with real problems that could use their support.

I thought I read they had executed her."

That has been reported but it appears to be fake news spread via Twitter etc. The BBC is certainly reporting she is alive and has a trial date.

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By *wisted999Man over a year ago

North Bucks

"Saudi Arabia's public prosecutor is pressing for the death sentence for feminist Israa al-Ghomgham and 4 others.

Their alledged crimes are:

- "incitement to protest,"

- "chanting slogans hostile to the regime",

- "attempting to inflame public opinion",

- "filming protests and publishing on social media",

- "providing moral support to rioters",

Whilst western feminists are busy worrying about how the colour pink stops girls studying STEM subjects, it seems there are some women with real problems that could use their support.

I thought I read they had executed her.

That has been reported but it appears to be fake news spread via Twitter etc. The BBC is certainly reporting she is alive and has a trial date. "

Iran are getting pretty good at winding people up on Twitter now. Looks like they been copying the Russian playbook

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By *y Favorite Pornstar OP Couple over a year ago

Basingstoke

"Saudi Arabia's public prosecutor is pressing for the death sentence for feminist Israa al-Ghomgham and 4 others.

Their alledged crimes are:

- "incitement to protest,"

- "chanting slogans hostile to the regime",

- "attempting to inflame public opinion",

- "filming protests and publishing on social media",

- "providing moral support to rioters",

Whilst western feminists are busy worrying about how the colour pink stops girls studying STEM subjects, it seems there are some women with real problems that could use their support.

I thought I read they had executed her.

That has been reported but it appears to be fake news spread via Twitter etc. The BBC is certainly reporting she is alive and has a trial date.

Iran are getting pretty good at winding people up on Twitter now. Looks like they been copying the Russian playbook "

What's this? I haven't seen it?

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By *wisted999Man over a year ago

North Bucks

"Saudi Arabia's public prosecutor is pressing for the death sentence for feminist Israa al-Ghomgham and 4 others.

Their alledged crimes are:

- "incitement to protest,"

- "chanting slogans hostile to the regime",

- "attempting to inflame public opinion",

- "filming protests and publishing on social media",

- "providing moral support to rioters",

Whilst western feminists are busy worrying about how the colour pink stops girls studying STEM subjects, it seems there are some women with real problems that could use their support.

I thought I read they had executed her.

That has been reported but it appears to be fake news spread via Twitter etc. The BBC is certainly reporting she is alive and has a trial date.

Iran are getting pretty good at winding people up on Twitter now. Looks like they been copying the Russian playbook

What's this? I haven't seen it? "

Was on the news this morning. Loads of Twitter accounts suspended

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By *y Favorite Pornstar OP Couple over a year ago

Basingstoke

"Saudi Arabia's public prosecutor is pressing for the death sentence for feminist Israa al-Ghomgham and 4 others.

Their alledged crimes are:

- "incitement to protest,"

- "chanting slogans hostile to the regime",

- "attempting to inflame public opinion",

- "filming protests and publishing on social media",

- "providing moral support to rioters",

Whilst western feminists are busy worrying about how the colour pink stops girls studying STEM subjects, it seems there are some women with real problems that could use their support.

I thought I read they had executed her.

That has been reported but it appears to be fake news spread via Twitter etc. The BBC is certainly reporting she is alive and has a trial date.

Iran are getting pretty good at winding people up on Twitter now. Looks like they been copying the Russian playbook

What's this? I haven't seen it?

Was on the news this morning. Loads of Twitter accounts suspended"

Ah yes, 284 accounts! I don't think anyone that isn't a journalist or politician actually uses Twitter for anything other than work. We closed our company Twitter account, waste of time.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

So... A feminist must protest somewhere or do something publicly when there is something they are concerned about or thinks is wrong and needs to change... But when you want to "support a cause" you donate money and that is fine right? Oohh sorry.. I forgot feminists have to be militant, braless, man hating, ball breakers without a life outside of this ... And there was you saying they were living up to their stereotype!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Ugh! I really don't know why I did that!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

#beepforfreedom Saudi Arabia embassy, London - now

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By *y Favorite Pornstar OP Couple over a year ago

Basingstoke

"#beepforfreedom Saudi Arabia embassy, London - now"

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