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Now I can work handcuffs but in the sexual way.
Do you agree that inmates should be rioting because they want to be treated as human beings?
If you can't do the time don't do the crime.
Its chaos in our prisons Birmingham the worst |
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"Now I can work handcuffs but in the sexual way.
Do you agree that inmates should be rioting because they want to be treated as human beings?
If you can't do the time don't do the crime.
Its chaos in our prisons Birmingham the worst "
It depends on what you see the purpose of prisons as being.
Should prison be purely punishment, or should (part of) its raison dêtre be to rehabilitate and stop reoffending? |
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The last two it should be.
Almost cried when I saw that cctv footage of an officer ignoring a young offender
In there for stealing a packet of sweets... Killed himself... 16 years old. Officer ignored the alarm. Disgusted at this. No one should die in prison. No one should be ignored. When you are suicidal. Shame on them |
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Prisons aren't about rehabilitation they never have been they are just institutions to house those who have broken the law of the land and seperate them from the law abiding populous. The punishment is being separated from society for an allotted amount of time, to not have your Liberty |
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"Try HMP Liverpool... Orwellian comes to mind.
And for the record what’s the point of prison if it makes no attempt to rehabilitate??
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The point of prison is to seperate the criminal from society that's it nothing more and nothing less, I'm not saying it's right far from it but unfortunately that is essentially their only purpose |
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"Try HMP Liverpool... Orwellian comes to mind.
And for the record what’s the point of prison if it makes no attempt to rehabilitate??
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The point of prison is to seperate the criminal from society that's it nothing more and nothing less, I'm not saying it's right far from it but unfortunately that is essentially their only purpose"
Is it not the point that prison (or custodial sentencing) should attempt to decriminalise the criminal??
Like rehab would attempt to reform addiction??
What’s the point of rehab if it doesn’t attempt to change behaviour?? Similarly prison sentences??
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"Try HMP Liverpool... Orwellian comes to mind.
And for the record what’s the point of prison if it makes no attempt to rehabilitate??
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The point of prison is to seperate the criminal from society that's it nothing more and nothing less, I'm not saying it's right far from it but unfortunately that is essentially their only purpose
Is it not the point that prison (or custodial sentencing) should attempt to decriminalise the criminal??
Like rehab would attempt to reform addiction??
What’s the point of rehab if it doesn’t attempt to change behaviour?? Similarly prison sentences??
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No there's other agencies specifically for the purpose of rehabilitation ie The Probation Service, but locking someone in a cell for 23 hrs a day isn't what I'd call "rehabilitating" someone and that is what most prisons do unfortunately |
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Surely punishment is part of the rehab. Show the consequences of their actions, make them understand the pain they caused others by gicing the same in a way |
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Complete and utter failure businesses taking on prisons for profit WRONG not enough officers to deal with prisoners. Schools turned into academies run as business not as school can you see a running theme x |
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"Surely punishment is part of the rehab. Show the consequences of their actions, make them understand the pain they caused others by gicing the same in a way"
Punishment via deprivation of liberty (of sorts) yes. Surely showing consequences and improve understanding suffering is rehabilitating??
23hr lock up doesn’t achieve that surely?? |
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If a prisons purpose really was to rehabilitate someone to prevent them from ever breaking the law again, we wouldn't have re-offenders and career criminals.....I personally wish prisons were effective at rehabilitation but they're not |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Try HMP Liverpool... Orwellian comes to mind.
And for the record what’s the point of prison if it makes no attempt to rehabilitate??
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The point of prison is to seperate the criminal from society that's it nothing more and nothing less, I'm not saying it's right far from it but unfortunately that is essentially their only purpose
Is it not the point that prison (or custodial sentencing) should attempt to decriminalise the criminal??
Like rehab would attempt to reform addiction??
What’s the point of rehab if it doesn’t attempt to change behaviour?? Similarly prison sentences??
No there's other agencies specifically for the purpose of rehabilitation ie The Probation Service, but locking someone in a cell for 23 hrs a day isn't what I'd call "rehabilitating" someone and that is what most prisons do unfortunately "
Are you sure that the probation service is to rehabilitate??? Reintegrate yes.. but I’m not sure on rehabilitate.
Agree with you tho that prison needs major reform |
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"Surely punishment is part of the rehab. Show the consequences of their actions, make them understand the pain they caused others by gicing the same in a way"
Well, it's used as though that is what it's meant to do, but the evidence suggests it's hugely ineffective.
If memory serves me correctly, I think it's Norway that has the lowest rates of reoffending? Norway or Sweden I think. They take a very different stance on prison and how prisoners should be treated |
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"If a prisons purpose really was to rehabilitate someone to prevent them from ever breaking the law again, we wouldn't have re-offenders and career criminals.....I personally wish prisons were effective at rehabilitation but they're not"
I agree. Prison doesn’t work and needs reform and sins will always reoffend but data for reoffending is awful |
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A friend of mine works for the Probation Service and their whole purpose is to make people understand what the consequences of their actions have been, to see it through the victims eyes, to question themselves and I think that's more about rehabilitation, I don't deny they also help with reintegration after a prisoner has served a sentence but part of that has to be rehabilitation to try and prevent the person from commiting crime in the future |
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Prisons are supposed to be a deterrent ... so that person thinks twice about offending again ....
They are not meant to be run like a holiday camp , but unfortunately some like the lifestyle, the regime , regular food , that is why they reoffend . |
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It seems that many if you see prison as a place to rehabilitate as opposed to a place to segregate and punish those who do wrong .
I doubt too many who have been on the wrong end of a criminal who’s locked up would be glad if they found out they’re not being punished , instead they are having classes and lessons in how not to be a criminal .
The way we listen to the prisoners spouting on about their human rights is a joke . They negated their rights when they broke the fucking law !
Perhaps we may have a better society if the punishment fitted the crime . As things are we have knife crime and gangs in London at unheard of levels . We have so many crimes going unpunished because we don’t have the resources to follow up on them . Prisoners rebelling because they don’t like the conditions of the prison . Drugs being shipped into the prisons for the prisoners to use . And so on ..... a farcical situation .
And the solution is to rehabilitate ? Something we have been trying to do so much more in the last ten years , and failed abysmally . Why ? Because most criminals will re offend no matter what , and with little or no deterrent why wouldn’t they ?
Do we really think we can teach people to have a conscience ? Especially when they have nothing , and their family and friends have disowned them . Of course not . The reality of being out in this world with nothing but a criminal record is that the only thing the vast majority will do is to do what they did that got them locked up in the first place . And if we are going to give them an easier time inside with rehab , and various pleasantries to ensure we don’t go against their human rights , they will continue ad infinitum to reoffend . It becomes their lifestyle and one things for sure , the better the conditions the more criminals will commit crimes simply because the thought of jail is not much of a deterrent . |
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"It seems that many if you see prison as a place to rehabilitate as opposed to a place to segregate and punish those who do wrong .
I doubt too many who have been on the wrong end of a criminal who’s locked up would be glad if they found out they’re not being punished , instead they are having classes and lessons in how not to be a criminal .
The way we listen to the prisoners spouting on about their human rights is a joke . They negated their rights when they broke the fucking law !
Perhaps we may have a better society if the punishment fitted the crime . As things are we have knife crime and gangs in London at unheard of levels . We have so many crimes going unpunished because we don’t have the resources to follow up on them . Prisoners rebelling because they don’t like the conditions of the prison . Drugs being shipped into the prisons for the prisoners to use . And so on ..... a farcical situation .
And the solution is to rehabilitate ? Something we have been trying to do so much more in the last ten years , and failed abysmally . Why ? Because most criminals will re offend no matter what , and with little or no deterrent why wouldn’t they ?
Do we really think we can teach people to have a conscience ? Especially when they have nothing , and their family and friends have disowned them . Of course not . The reality of being out in this world with nothing but a criminal record is that the only thing the vast majority will do is to do what they did that got them locked up in the first place . And if we are going to give them an easier time inside with rehab , and various pleasantries to ensure we don’t go against their human rights , they will continue ad infinitum to reoffend . It becomes their lifestyle and one things for sure , the better the conditions the more criminals will commit crimes simply because the thought of jail is not much of a deterrent ."
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"It seems that many if you see prison as a place to rehabilitate as opposed to a place to segregate and punish those who do wrong .
I doubt too many who have been on the wrong end of a criminal who’s locked up would be glad if they found out they’re not being punished , instead they are having classes and lessons in how not to be a criminal .
The way we listen to the prisoners spouting on about their human rights is a joke . They negated their rights when they broke the fucking law !
Perhaps we may have a better society if the punishment fitted the crime . As things are we have knife crime and gangs in London at unheard of levels . We have so many crimes going unpunished because we don’t have the resources to follow up on them . Prisoners rebelling because they don’t like the conditions of the prison . Drugs being shipped into the prisons for the prisoners to use . And so on ..... a farcical situation .
And the solution is to rehabilitate ? Something we have been trying to do so much more in the last ten years , and failed abysmally . Why ? Because most criminals will re offend no matter what , and with little or no deterrent why wouldn’t they ?
Do we really think we can teach people to have a conscience ? Especially when they have nothing , and their family and friends have disowned them . Of course not . The reality of being out in this world with nothing but a criminal record is that the only thing the vast majority will do is to do what they did that got them locked up in the first place . And if we are going to give them an easier time inside with rehab , and various pleasantries to ensure we don’t go against their human rights , they will continue ad infinitum to reoffend . It becomes their lifestyle and one things for sure , the better the conditions the more criminals will commit crimes simply because the thought of jail is not much of a deterrent ."
American prisons (notoriously harsh) teach barbering to males.
Federal law prevents the practise of barbering for any individual with a criminal conviction... explain that if you can pls??
Is jail (accompanied by length of sentence) plus the absence of normality not enought punishment??
Why not make prisoners slaves to build national infrastructure projects as free labour for big business???
Prison may not work but it should aim to rehabilitate !! |
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It depends on the crime as to whether they should/can be rehabilitated. Petty thieves and tax dodgers etc, sure, they can probably be turned around. But what about vile individuals like that guy who killed those police officers with a grenade on his doorstep or scumbags who have kicked some poor innocent sod to death on a night out, or the likes of Ian Huntley, Roy Whiting, Mark Dixie etc? I couldn't care less if they were being beaten half to death on a daily basis in prison, it's no less than they deserve. |
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"Prisons are supposed to be a deterrent ... so that person thinks twice about offending again ....
They are not meant to be run like a holiday camp , but unfortunately some like the lifestyle, the regime , regular food , that is why they reoffend ."
Norway has some of the lowest re-offending rates in Europe, it also has prisons that look more like hotels. Difference is, prisoners aren't treated sub human and are given rehabilitation. |
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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago
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Prisons exist to keep the vast majority of us compliant.
Those who land up there usually do so because of mental health issues - their behaviour is not that of a rational person.
With the exception of those beyond the pale - the serial killers etc - prison serves little or no useful purpose, other than shifting behavioural problems from one location to another for a while.
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By (user no longer on site)
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Why not make prisoners slaves to build national infrastructure projects as free labour for big business?? !!"
And take away jobs for law abiding citizens? |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"The last two it should be.
Almost cried when I saw that cctv footage of an officer ignoring a young offender
In there for stealing a packet of sweets... Killed himself... 16 years old. Officer ignored the alarm. Disgusted at this. No one should die in prison. No one should be ignored. When you are suicidal. Shame on them"
I don't think he was in there just for stealing a bag of sweets somehow???
It was probably the last straw? Potentially been terrorising his local neighbourhood for years. |
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The Probation Service was privatised in 2015
Only high risk offenders are managed by the NPS, medium and low risk offenders are managed by private Community Rehabilitation Companies.
The whole thing has been, unsurprisingly, a complete disaster. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Now I can work handcuffs but in the sexual way.
Do you agree that inmates should be rioting because they want to be treated as human beings?
If you can't do the time don't do the crime.
Its chaos in our prisons Birmingham the worst "
We are a civilised nation it would seem, people in prison have been deemed to have abused our societies rules, so they by not playing by the rules gave up the fair play of the rules that protect them having said that I love to break rules so it kinda depends, what rules and why they are protesting  |
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By *ara JTV/TS
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Those who land up there usually do so because of mental health issues
Fab is definitely the land of sweeping generalisations."
"The first full survey of mental health of prisoners in England and Wales undertaken by the Office for National Statistics showed that psychiatric morbidity remains far more common among prisoners than the general population (Singleton et al, 1998). Only one prisoner in ten showed no evidence of any mental disorder and no more than two out of ten had only on disorder."
British Journal of Psychiatry, 2018
"Government does not know how many people in prison have a mental illness, how much it is spending on mental health in prisons or whether it is achieving its objectives. It is therefore hard to see how Government can be achieving value for money in its efforts to improve the mental health and well being of prisoners. In 2016 there were 40,161 incidents of self-harm in prisons and 120 self-inflicted deaths."
- "Mental Health in Prisons", National Audit Office, 2017
"Andy Bell, deputy chief executive at the Centre for Mental Health (CMH), says the dearth of routinely collected, up-to-date and accurate information has been an issue for a long time and represents a gaping hole in prison and health policy. The last reliable data on prevalence of offender mental health problems is from 1998, according to Bell, a time when the prison population was about half what it is today: “The situation has changed tremendously since then.”
Guardian, 2017
"The prevalence of poor mental health among prisoners is considerably higher than in the community, and studies worldwide have shown that suicide rates in prisons are up to 10 times higher than those in the general population. Nevertheless, prisoners are also less likely to have their mental health needs recognized and to receive psychiatric help or treatment. They are most susceptible during the remand period."
World Health Organisation, 2014
"There are more than 10 million individuals (worldwide) in prison at any given time with more than 30 million circulating through each year. Research has consistently shown that prisoners have high rates of psychiatric disorders, and in some countries there are more people with severe mental illness in prisons than psychiatric hospitals. Despite the high level of need, these disorders are frequently underdiagnosed and poorly treated."
US National Library of Medicine, 2016
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By *ara JTV/TS
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"We are a civilised nation it would seem, people in prison have been deemed to have abused our societies rules, so they by not playing by the rules gave up the fair play of the rules that protect them having said that I love to break rules so it kinda depends, what rules and why they are protesting "
The suffragettes are a good example of the system using prisons to coerce in a brutal way those who want to change the system. |
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"We are a civilised nation it would seem, people in prison have been deemed to have abused our societies rules, so they by not playing by the rules gave up the fair play of the rules that protect them having said that I love to break rules so it kinda depends, what rules and why they are protesting
The suffragettes are a good example of the system using prisons to coerce in a brutal way those who want to change the system."
true they are but different times think we've moved beyond that mentality now and to a certain extent the prison thing depends on whether they are innocent or not |
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"Prisons are supposed to be a deterrent ... so that person thinks twice about offending again ....
They are not meant to be run like a holiday camp , but unfortunately some like the lifestyle, the regime , regular food , that is why they reoffend .Norway has some of the lowest re-offending rates in Europe, it also has prisons that look more like hotels. Difference is, prisoners aren't treated sub human and are given rehabilitation."
agree but the average Brit would rather just lash out in anger and chuck someone in the current system than imagine if the offending behaviours were tackled and prevented once they were released..
its not a cheap option the Norwegian system but in terms of the costs of the numbers incarcerated and the systems and resources in dealing with them and more importantly the emotional cost and harm to victims surely its a no brainer..
cue the screams and the typical responses of pc, soft on crime liberal do gooder rubbish..
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"Now I can work handcuffs but in the sexual way.
Do you agree that inmates should be rioting because they want to be treated as human beings?
If you can't do the time don't do the crime.
Its chaos in our prisons Birmingham the worst We are a civilised nation it would seem, people in prison have been deemed to have abused our societies rules, so they by not playing by the rules gave up the fair play of the rules that protect them having said that I love to break rules so it kinda depends, what rules and why they are protesting "
Because they want to be treated like humans
Yet that young lad stole a bag of sweets had been ignored by the prison service and hung himself.
Some have served there time but stuck. The IPP fails many who should be out. |
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"Now I can work handcuffs but in the sexual way.
Do you agree that inmates should be rioting because they want to be treated as human beings?
If you can't do the time don't do the crime.
Its chaos in our prisons Birmingham the worst We are a civilised nation it would seem, people in prison have been deemed to have abused our societies rules, so they by not playing by the rules gave up the fair play of the rules that protect them having said that I love to break rules so it kinda depends, what rules and why they are protesting
Because they want to be treated like humans
Yet that young lad stole a bag of sweets had been ignored by the prison service and hung himself.
Some have served there time but stuck. The IPP fails many who should be out. "
IPP's were abolished in 2012. Which isn't to say there are still people in prison today on IPP's! |
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There is no socially acceptable form of punishment in this country except for prison. Anything else, regardless of any research suggesting it may be more successful in terms of rehabilitation is dismissed out of hand as being 'soft on crime'.
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By *ara JTV/TS
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"true they are but different times think we've moved beyond that mentality now and to a certain extent the prison thing depends on whether they are innocent or not "
I recall a single mum in Manchester receiving a horrendous prison sentence because she accepted a pair of trainers she knew had been nicked from a city store during rioting.
This was about the same time as the scandal of the MPs expenses.
The system is designed to protect those who designed it.
It is rooted in the concept that society places more weight on personal possessions and property and woe betide anyone who helps themselves.
Take someone who steals food because they are starving. That might be a rational thing to do in the circumstances, when the alternative is starvation.
But the system places emphasis on protection of property rather than feeding people when they are starving, so the person is likely to end up behind bars.
The classic example from history was the act to abolish slavery. Many in parliament were slave-owners. They feared a mass revolt and the system being overthrown.
So they agreed to phase out slavery. And granted themselves huge compensation in the process. They voted to borrow 40 % of the government's annual budget and distribute it to slave-owners for "loss of property". The debt was paid off by you and me in 2015.
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"true they are but different times think we've moved beyond that mentality now and to a certain extent the prison thing depends on whether they are innocent or not
I recall a single mum in Manchester receiving a horrendous prison sentence because she accepted a pair of trainers she knew had been nicked from a city store during rioting.
This was about the same time as the scandal of the MPs expenses.
The system is designed to protect those who designed it.
It is rooted in the concept that society places more weight on personal possessions and property and woe betide anyone who helps themselves.
Take someone who steals food because they are starving. That might be a rational thing to do in the circumstances, when the alternative is starvation.
But the system places emphasis on protection of property rather than feeding people when they are starving, so the person is likely to end up behind bars.
The classic example from history was the act to abolish slavery. Many in parliament were slave-owners. They feared a mass revolt and the system being overthrown.
So they agreed to phase out slavery. And granted themselves huge compensation in the process. They voted to borrow 40 % of the government's annual budget and distribute it to slave-owners for "loss of property". The debt was paid off by you and me in 2015.
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Hey i entirely agree with this, priorities are wrong even the police involved in stealing food because starving agree. |
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The prison system in the UK does not work. It is supposed to be about rehabilitation, but funding cuts mean that locking people in cells for 23hours a day is all the staff can manage. 7 staff managing a wing of 200 prisoners.
The Probation Service has already been privatised. 75% of it was sold in 2015 to private companies. Are you aware the same private companies failed miserably and were bailed out to the tune of £300 million? No, didn't read about that in papers did you?
Probation staff are being told not to recall prisoners back to prison because it looks bad on re-offending rates. In one case it took a prolific drug dealer released on licence to be found with 7kg of cocaine in his pants to be recalled. Despite being found 4 times previous with smaller amounts on him.
Probation staff with a case load management of 150% is not uncommon. At the same time that a senior civil servant post in MOJ directorate is being advertised at £60k per annum.
The justice system is fucked. Turns out you can profit from crime. |
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Prison is about restrictions of liberty and rehabilitation. Prisons are incredibly expensive, so there's little point unless you have people who are released and less of an issue for society.
Conditions are not part of the punishment and good conditions instill a basic understanding of the worth of people -the opposite is true from bad conditions.
Other countries have provided fantastic evidence of how to treat inmates, such as Swedish ones, where autonomy is given to them in some. |
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"If a prisons purpose really was to rehabilitate someone to prevent them from ever breaking the law again, we wouldn't have re-offenders and career criminals.....I personally wish prisons were effective at rehabilitation but they're not"
Sadly its estimated 60% of the prison population have anti social personality disorder, you will never rehabilitate them. They dont see what they do as wrong, they are self serving, thrive on the thrill of taking risks etc |
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"If a prisons purpose really was to rehabilitate someone to prevent them from ever breaking the law again, we wouldn't have re-offenders and career criminals.....I personally wish prisons were effective at rehabilitation but they're not
Sadly its estimated 60% of the prison population have anti social personality disorder, you will never rehabilitate them. They dont see what they do as wrong, they are self serving, thrive on the thrill of taking risks etc"
Not enough social care I am afraid here's an idea why not bring back the asylums x  |
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So much wrong in this thread!
I worked in a cat B male prison and got out at the right time I think. I speak to my old colleagues and it seems even more dangerous to work there than when I was there just 4 years ago. The cuts are making things so much harder, it'll end up like being in a concentration camp only the prisoners do t fear for the lives and certainly aren't scared of the guards. My prison is less than 20 years old so didn't have the problem that some old prisons have with regards to rats and cockroaches in the cells but still not enough staff to handle 2000 inmates, that meant them having to be locked up (in their cells) for longer than they should. Fuck saying they're prisoners they deserve it blah blah blah, mine was a category B and so are most of the prisons where rioting happens. There's only 9 category A prisons in the UK and although they house the most dangerous prisoners and prisoners who have done the most horrific crimes, they hardly ever have rioting and those inmates are treated better than cat b's or c's (D is completely different again)
If you treat people like animals they'll act like them, prisons are dangerous places to work, if the inmates are happy there's less chance of them wanting to stab you with needles of infected blood or chuck shit at you or bottles of piss over you or try throwing you down stairs or off balconies. |
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"So much wrong in this thread!
I worked in a cat B male prison and got out at the right time I think. I speak to my old colleagues and it seems even more dangerous to work there than when I was there just 4 years ago. The cuts are making things so much harder, it'll end up like being in a concentration camp only the prisoners do t fear for the lives and certainly aren't scared of the guards. My prison is less than 20 years old so didn't have the problem that some old prisons have with regards to rats and cockroaches in the cells but still not enough staff to handle 2000 inmates, that meant them having to be locked up (in their cells) for longer than they should. Fuck saying they're prisoners they deserve it blah blah blah, mine was a category B and so are most of the prisons where rioting happens. There's only 9 category A prisons in the UK and although they house the most dangerous prisoners and prisoners who have done the most horrific crimes, they hardly ever have rioting and those inmates are treated better than cat b's or c's (D is completely different again)
If you treat people like animals they'll act like them, prisons are dangerous places to work, if the inmates are happy there's less chance of them wanting to stab you with needles of infected blood or chuck shit at you or bottles of piss over you or try throwing you down stairs or off balconies. "
Quite right , and you would know better than most of us .
Contrary to what I wrote yesterday , I’ve done a bit of research and it certainly seems like the Swedish and Norwegian system works a lot better than ours . And their prisons are like center parks , a veritable holiday type affair with sunbathing , tv , gardens , and well furnished apartments . Prisoners come and go as they please , wear what they like , learn trades and are treated more like holiday makers than prisoners . And yet the reoffend % is ten times lower than it is in USA .
It just doesn’t make sense to silly old farts like me . I just don’t get it , but I can’t argue with the bottom line . |
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"If a prisons purpose really was to rehabilitate someone to prevent them from ever breaking the law again, we wouldn't have re-offenders and career criminals.....I personally wish prisons were effective at rehabilitation but they're not"
If reports are to be believed prisons are good for educating criminals, on how to commit other crimes. |
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"So much wrong in this thread!
I worked in a cat B male prison and got out at the right time I think. I speak to my old colleagues and it seems even more dangerous to work there than when I was there just 4 years ago. The cuts are making things so much harder, it'll end up like being in a concentration camp only the prisoners do t fear for the lives and certainly aren't scared of the guards. My prison is less than 20 years old so didn't have the problem that some old prisons have with regards to rats and cockroaches in the cells but still not enough staff to handle 2000 inmates, that meant them having to be locked up (in their cells) for longer than they should. Fuck saying they're prisoners they deserve it blah blah blah, mine was a category B and so are most of the prisons where rioting happens. There's only 9 category A prisons in the UK and although they house the most dangerous prisoners and prisoners who have done the most horrific crimes, they hardly ever have rioting and those inmates are treated better than cat b's or c's (D is completely different again)
If you treat people like animals they'll act like them, prisons are dangerous places to work, if the inmates are happy there's less chance of them wanting to stab you with needles of infected blood or chuck shit at you or bottles of piss over you or try throwing you down stairs or off balconies. "
Exactly. People read all the shit in the papers and think they have a fucking clue what goes on in the prisons or what it's like, and it's patently obvious they've never even been near one in their lives.
Bitching about prisoners having access to tv, because they don't realise it's more for the prison officers than it is for the prisoners - giving the inmates something to do whilst they're locked up all day so they don't go stir crazy and run riot.
Talking about "being tough on crime" not realising that these petty criminals end up getting sent to Cat D's for smoking a bit of or something stupid that could be community service. But there's no room for them in the proper prisons, so they go Cat D where the blokes coming off a long stretch are supposed to be getting their heads around reintegration but are surrounded by chaps fucking off into town and scoring drugs on their day release, safe in the knowledge that they can't get sent back to a C or B. And as someone mentioned, getting an alternative education whilst they're in there...
But not the actual one they need, because despite fucking hordes of them being functionally illiterate, the whole toe-by-toe thing gets scrapped because they can't make money out of it, and now they're privatised.
And seeing as I've started this rant I may as well finish...
Privatised police forces.
Cuts to legal aid and plans to semi-privatise the courts and tribunals service.
Privatised prisons.
Privatised probation service.
Did nobody at all actually stop to think that when you sell off all of these services, often to the same bunch of incompetent fucktards like G4S, you're creating completely perverse incentives...
If prisoners are rehabilitated and go back into the community and do not reoffend; this is going to hit the bottom line of these companies - their profits depend on there being more criminals.
I'd say whoever thought that one up was fucking stupid, but the truth is they're probably not - just canny and corrupt |
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"So much wrong in this thread!
I worked in a cat B male prison and got out at the right time I think. I speak to my old colleagues and it seems even more dangerous to work there than when I was there just 4 years ago. The cuts are making things so much harder, it'll end up like being in a concentration camp only the prisoners do t fear for the lives and certainly aren't scared of the guards. My prison is less than 20 years old so didn't have the problem that some old prisons have with regards to rats and cockroaches in the cells but still not enough staff to handle 2000 inmates, that meant them having to be locked up (in their cells) for longer than they should. Fuck saying they're prisoners they deserve it blah blah blah, mine was a category B and so are most of the prisons where rioting happens. There's only 9 category A prisons in the UK and although they house the most dangerous prisoners and prisoners who have done the most horrific crimes, they hardly ever have rioting and those inmates are treated better than cat b's or c's (D is completely different again)
If you treat people like animals they'll act like them, prisons are dangerous places to work, if the inmates are happy there's less chance of them wanting to stab you with needles of infected blood or chuck shit at you or bottles of piss over you or try throwing you down stairs or off balconies.
Exactly. People read all the shit in the papers and think they have a fucking clue what goes on in the prisons or what it's like, and it's patently obvious they've never even been near one in their lives.
Bitching about prisoners having access to tv, because they don't realise it's more for the prison officers than it is for the prisoners - giving the inmates something to do whilst they're locked up all day so they don't go stir crazy and run riot.
Talking about "being tough on crime" not realising that these petty criminals end up getting sent to Cat D's for smoking a bit of or something stupid that could be community service. But there's no room for them in the proper prisons, so they go Cat D where the blokes coming off a long stretch are supposed to be getting their heads around reintegration but are surrounded by chaps fucking off into town and scoring drugs on their day release, safe in the knowledge that they can't get sent back to a C or B. And as someone mentioned, getting an alternative education whilst they're in there...
But not the actual one they need, because despite fucking hordes of them being functionally illiterate, the whole toe-by-toe thing gets scrapped because they can't make money out of it, and now they're privatised.
And seeing as I've started this rant I may as well finish...
Privatised police forces.
Cuts to legal aid and plans to semi-privatise the courts and tribunals service.
Privatised prisons.
Privatised probation service.
Did nobody at all actually stop to think that when you sell off all of these services, often to the same bunch of incompetent fucktards like G4S, you're creating completely perverse incentives...
If prisoners are rehabilitated and go back into the community and do not reoffend; this is going to hit the bottom line of these companies - their profits depend on there being more criminals.
I'd say whoever thought that one up was fucking stupid, but the truth is they're probably not - just canny and corrupt"
Halle-fucking-luyah brother!
G4S and the likes have it sewn up though because they often run the CRC's too...if their prison numbers are getting low just breach a few offenders for breaking the terms of their license. Job done! |
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"So much wrong in this thread!
I worked in a cat B male prison and got out at the right time I think. I speak to my old colleagues and it seems even more dangerous to work there than when I was there just 4 years ago. The cuts are making things so much harder, it'll end up like being in a concentration camp only the prisoners do t fear for the lives and certainly aren't scared of the guards. My prison is less than 20 years old so didn't have the problem that some old prisons have with regards to rats and cockroaches in the cells but still not enough staff to handle 2000 inmates, that meant them having to be locked up (in their cells) for longer than they should. Fuck saying they're prisoners they deserve it blah blah blah, mine was a category B and so are most of the prisons where rioting happens. There's only 9 category A prisons in the UK and although they house the most dangerous prisoners and prisoners who have done the most horrific crimes, they hardly ever have rioting and those inmates are treated better than cat b's or c's (D is completely different again)
If you treat people like animals they'll act like them, prisons are dangerous places to work, if the inmates are happy there's less chance of them wanting to stab you with needles of infected blood or chuck shit at you or bottles of piss over you or try throwing you down stairs or off balconies. "
Speaking as someone whose been on the other side of the door, you're bang on correct.
Loss of liberty is the punishment. Time inside should be about rehabilitation but unfortunately if you're not locked in your cell 23 hours a day you're put to work assembling things for b&q for 30p a day. The education system is a complete joke as well |
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"So much wrong in this thread!
I worked in a cat B male prison and got out at the right time I think. I speak to my old colleagues and it seems even more dangerous to work there than when I was there just 4 years ago. The cuts are making things so much harder, it'll end up like being in a concentration camp only the prisoners do t fear for the lives and certainly aren't scared of the guards. My prison is less than 20 years old so didn't have the problem that some old prisons have with regards to rats and cockroaches in the cells but still not enough staff to handle 2000 inmates, that meant them having to be locked up (in their cells) for longer than they should. Fuck saying they're prisoners they deserve it blah blah blah, mine was a category B and so are most of the prisons where rioting happens. There's only 9 category A prisons in the UK and although they house the most dangerous prisoners and prisoners who have done the most horrific crimes, they hardly ever have rioting and those inmates are treated better than cat b's or c's (D is completely different again)
If you treat people like animals they'll act like them, prisons are dangerous places to work, if the inmates are happy there's less chance of them wanting to stab you with needles of infected blood or chuck shit at you or bottles of piss over you or try throwing you down stairs or off balconies.
Speaking as someone whose been on the other side of the door, you're bang on correct.
Loss of liberty is the punishment. Time inside should be about rehabilitation but unfortunately if you're not locked in your cell 23 hours a day you're put to work assembling things for b&q for 30p a day. The education system is a complete joke as well"
I work in an STC (prison for 12-17 year-old kids, basically) and the education system there is a complete joke too. They often get taught nothing and get given word searches to do in lieu of proper education. |
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Seems like the main problem is that prison is treated as a forgotten place. No one brings it up till there's an issue as it's too much of a hassle.
Make sure inmates rights match up with their crimes and victims call for justice. Make sure that they don't get too much that it's a summer camp they are just stuck at or too little it becomes a forced labor camp.
The one thing I'd definitly say is we need more prison officers and psychological support for said officers to reduce burnout. |
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"Now I can work handcuffs but in the sexual way.
Do you agree that inmates should be rioting because they want to be treated as human beings?
If you can't do the time don't do the crime.
Its chaos in our prisons Birmingham the worst "
They lost most of their rights when they committed the crime. To calm a riot rubber bullets should be used to stop them, if that fails warning shots with actual bullets. If that fails well one or two less prisoners to worry about.
Prisons should be a hard life. No technology just basic bed, loo and a window(barred). Forced labour during the day so they can produce items for society, which will also give them purpose and possibly a trade for when they are released. Set bed times and wake up at same time every day. Prison should not be luxurious. They are in there for a reason.
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"Now I can work handcuffs but in the sexual way.
Do you agree that inmates should be rioting because they want to be treated as human beings?
If you can't do the time don't do the crime.
Its chaos in our prisons Birmingham the worst
They lost most of their rights when they committed the crime. To calm a riot rubber bullets should be used to stop them, if that fails warning shots with actual bullets. If that fails well one or two less prisoners to worry about.
Prisons should be a hard life. No technology just basic bed, loo and a window(barred). Forced labour during the day so they can produce items for society, which will also give them purpose and possibly a trade for when they are released. Set bed times and wake up at same time every day. Prison should not be luxurious. They are in there for a reason.
This country has gotten too soft and far too pc, it needs to change."
I'm gonna go out on a limb here and hazard a guess you don't actually have much first hand experience to draw upon when it comes to talking about prison.
Luxurious it is not... |
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"Now I can work handcuffs but in the sexual way.
Do you agree that inmates should be rioting because they want to be treated as human beings?
If you can't do the time don't do the crime.
Its chaos in our prisons Birmingham the worst
They lost most of their rights when they committed the crime. To calm a riot rubber bullets should be used to stop them, if that fails warning shots with actual bullets. If that fails well one or two less prisoners to worry about.
Prisons should be a hard life. No technology just basic bed, loo and a window(barred). Forced labour during the day so they can produce items for society, which will also give them purpose and possibly a trade for when they are released. Set bed times and wake up at same time every day. Prison should not be luxurious. They are in there for a reason.
This country has gotten too soft and far too pc, it needs to change."
They shouldn't have to riot in the first place and when it happens there's special measures in place where tornado teams are sent in.
How would you put a bedtime and wake up time in place if a prisoner has already been in their cell for 23 hours!? |
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They shouldn't have to riot in the first place and when it happens there's special measures in place where tornado teams are sent in.
How would you put a bedtime and wake up time in place if a prisoner has already been in their cell for 23 hours!? "
They shouldn’t no, but these things happen from time to time. Simple loud high pitch alarm at say 7am, followed by a head count then breakfast. As for their bed time, all prisoners in cells by 7pm. all lights in cells get turned off at 8pm. Can’t do much on the dark, ofcourse have a small night light for the loo so they don’t piss up the wall.
Routine is needed to reform them, if I was a prison warden the prisoners would most likely hate me but at the end they will understand why.
Also stop the budget cuts and hire more officers to guard the prisons would go a long way. I don’t mean complete newbies but rehire the old officers that left due cutbacks and some new officers to train up.
If they are in their cells for 23hours a day they obviously done something terrible.
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They shouldn't have to riot in the first place and when it happens there's special measures in place where tornado teams are sent in.
How would you put a bedtime and wake up time in place if a prisoner has already been in their cell for 23 hours!?
They shouldn’t no, but these things happen from time to time. Simple loud high pitch alarm at say 7am, followed by a head count then breakfast. As for their bed time, all prisoners in cells by 7pm. all lights in cells get turned off at 8pm. Can’t do much on the dark, ofcourse have a small night light for the loo so they don’t piss up the wall.
Routine is needed to reform them, if I was a prison warden the prisoners would most likely hate me but at the end they will understand why.
Also stop the budget cuts and hire more officers to guard the prisons would go a long way. I don’t mean complete newbies but rehire the old officers that left due cutbacks and some new officers to train up.
If they are in their cells for 23hours a day they obviously done something terrible.
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They shouldn't have to riot in the first place and when it happens there's special measures in place where tornado teams are sent in.
How would you put a bedtime and wake up time in place if a prisoner has already been in their cell for 23 hours!?
They shouldn’t no, but these things happen from time to time. Simple loud high pitch alarm at say 7am, followed by a head count then breakfast. As for their bed time, all prisoners in cells by 7pm. all lights in cells get turned off at 8pm. Can’t do much on the dark, ofcourse have a small night light for the loo so they don’t piss up the wall.
Routine is needed to reform them, if I was a prison warden the prisoners would most likely hate me but at the end they will understand why.
Also stop the budget cuts and hire more officers to guard the prisons would go a long way. I don’t mean complete newbies but rehire the old officers that left due cutbacks and some new officers to train up.
If they are in their cells for 23hours a day they obviously done something terrible.
You haven't got a clue what you're talking about"
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They shouldn’t no, but these things happen from time to time. Simple loud high pitch alarm at say 7am, followed by a head count then breakfast. As for their bed time, all prisoners in cells by 7pm. all lights in cells get turned off at 8pm. Can’t do much on the dark, ofcourse have a small night light for the loo so they don’t piss up the wall.
Routine is needed to reform them, if I was a prison warden the prisoners would most likely hate me but at the end they will understand why.
Also stop the budget cuts and hire more officers to guard the prisons would go a long way. I don’t mean complete newbies but rehire the old officers that left due cutbacks and some new officers to train up.
If they are in their cells for 23hours a day they obviously done something terrible.
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I don't own a penis so if there was ever a discussion about what it's like to own a penis I couldn't comment because I have no idea what it's like to own one.
Same as this topic, you really don't understand what goes on inside a prison so you're not in a position to comment.
A routine of waking up and going to bed the same time won't reform a prisoner. There's 100's of reasons which are individual to each person which would determine the percentage of them reoffending. It's social conditions, do they have a family unit on the outside, education level, their skill set. Say someone is an armed robber, they have no trade or skill and now a criminal record, what are they going to do when they get out, walk into a job in a bank or post office or shop?
What would help is special employers that would specifically take on ex prisoners as apprentices, gardeners/landscapers, electricians, plumbers, builders, etc prisoners to learn these skills and trades whilst they're inside and just have someone give them a chance when they get out.
If you had a choice between someone coming to work in your home who has never been in prison v someone who has you're gonna have the person who hasn't but with employers that can risk assess and appropriately supervise these people whilst working, there wouldn't be any problem.
If you let someone out with no skills and with society only thinking you're bad you may as well just be bad.
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Much like the feminism thread, prisoners in this country perhaps need to look to places like Thailand or the Philippines to see just how good they've got it.
Whilst it isn't the holiday camp people seem to think it is they re kept in relatively clean and safe environments.
The staff in our prisons work tirelessly to try to keep drugs out but its an ever changing landscape and people are more and more creative in the way they get them in.
23 hour lock ups are not only due to bad behaviour. They are caused by low staffing levels where it is not safe to release the prisoners. Staff assaults are increasing at an alarming rate. Staff are getting tired and are not willing to get to work every day wondering if today they are going to get punched, stabbed or have shit thrown at them.
A lot of prisoners have increasingly complex mental health needs requiring officers to aquire a new set of skills to deal with them.
The solution isn't simple. As many old staff are leaving as new staff come in but they will oy tell you that they've recruited what they promised, not that it's made fuck all change to officer numbers. |
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"Some staff are corrupt and will take payment to bring drugs in. The same stop and search given to visitors should be given to staff entering too.
They already do."
Not always and we used to know when we were going to be searched which kind of defeats the object. It should be every time, it might be now but I've not worked there for 4 years. |
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Some of the comments are making me sick to the stomach.
I have been wrongly Imprisond and I must say HMP Wandsworths conditions were awful!
* Extreme violence
* Drugs
* No pillow
* No medication for over 2 months
* No change of clothes for 3 months, taking a shower didn’t change a thing.
* 23.5 hours locked up because there understaffed
*First phone call to my parents took about 3 weeks
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Every prisoner should be given every chance to rehabilitate but those the are either career criminals or those that constantly re offend should be put to death they only cost the country more in the long run |
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"Prisons aren't about rehabilitation they never have been they are just institutions to house those who have broken the law of the land and seperate them from the law abiding populous. The punishment is being separated from society for an allotted amount of time, to not have your Liberty"
They are about rehabilitation, they offer education courses, they get ‘jobs’ and also do courses to help them figure out why they offend and how to prevent it in the future. Why’s that such a bad thing? They also offer a lot of support to help people quit drugs. And yes we all know no prison is completely clean from them, but there are many things to help them become reformed and ready to rejoin society rather than setting them up to fail when they’re realeased.
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I don't own a penis so if there was ever a discussion about what it's like to own a penis I couldn't comment because I have no idea what it's like to own one.
Same as this topic, you really don't understand what goes on inside a prison so you're not in a position to comment.
A routine of waking up and going to bed the same time won't reform a prisoner. There's 100's of reasons which are individual to each person which would determine the percentage of them reoffending. It's social conditions, do they have a family unit on the outside, education level, their skill set. Say someone is an armed robber, they have no trade or skill and now a criminal record, what are they going to do when they get out, walk into a job in a bank or post office or shop?
What would help is special employers that would specifically take on ex prisoners as apprentices, gardeners/landscapers, electricians, plumbers, builders, etc prisoners to learn these skills and trades whilst they're inside and just have someone give them a chance when they get out.
If you had a choice between someone coming to work in your home who has never been in prison v someone who has you're gonna have the person who hasn't but with employers that can risk assess and appropriately supervise these people whilst working, there wouldn't be any problem.
If you let someone out with no skills and with society only thinking you're bad you may as well just be bad.
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I think you missed the point. Hard labour and routine will stop the riots, which is the main topic. Reform is well, largely dependent on the criminal if they want to change. No amount of mummy cuddling will change a person.
Prisoners should not have TVs, game consoles, pool tables access to computers. They should get bare basics. They are in prison for a reason.
Personally anouther good deterrent would be three strikes and your out. Like if you offend three times you should be either life without probation or hanged. They clearly aren’t a productive part of society. That’ll scare afew low life criminals into order.
When they leave they should be placed in a halfway house to help them get a job, find a home and get them involved with help groups as they have served their time for their crime.
As for employment, I don’t hire anyone with a criminal record. Clients don’t like it and I’m not keen on the idea as someone will probably have to watch over them, costing me more money therefore raising my prices.
Sure timpsons do a great job at hiring offenders and help them a lot but that’s a completely different industry.
Yes my methods are harsh but remember. They are criminals and should be treated as such. If they knew the risks most wouldn’t commit their crimes but most criminals see prison as a holiday home.
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I don't own a penis so if there was ever a discussion about what it's like to own a penis I couldn't comment because I have no idea what it's like to own one.
Same as this topic, you really don't understand what goes on inside a prison so you're not in a position to comment.
A routine of waking up and going to bed the same time won't reform a prisoner. There's 100's of reasons which are individual to each person which would determine the percentage of them reoffending. It's social conditions, do they have a family unit on the outside, education level, their skill set. Say someone is an armed robber, they have no trade or skill and now a criminal record, what are they going to do when they get out, walk into a job in a bank or post office or shop?
What would help is special employers that would specifically take on ex prisoners as apprentices, gardeners/landscapers, electricians, plumbers, builders, etc prisoners to learn these skills and trades whilst they're inside and just have someone give them a chance when they get out.
If you had a choice between someone coming to work in your home who has never been in prison v someone who has you're gonna have the person who hasn't but with employers that can risk assess and appropriately supervise these people whilst working, there wouldn't be any problem.
If you let someone out with no skills and with society only thinking you're bad you may as well just be bad.
I think you missed the point. Hard labour and routine will stop the riots, which is the main topic. Reform is well, largely dependent on the criminal if they want to change. No amount of mummy cuddling will change a person.
Prisoners should not have TVs, game consoles, pool tables access to computers. They should get bare basics. They are in prison for a reason.
Personally anouther good deterrent would be three strikes and your out. Like if you offend three times you should be either life without probation or hanged. They clearly aren’t a productive part of society. That’ll scare afew low life criminals into order.
When they leave they should be placed in a halfway house to help them get a job, find a home and get them involved with help groups as they have served their time for their crime.
As for employment, I don’t hire anyone with a criminal record. Clients don’t like it and I’m not keen on the idea as someone will probably have to watch over them, costing me more money therefore raising my prices.
Sure timpsons do a great job at hiring offenders and help them a lot but that’s a completely different industry.
Yes my methods are harsh but remember. They are criminals and should be treated as such. If they knew the risks most wouldn’t commit their crimes but most criminals see prison as a holiday home.
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Absolutely clueless"
Clueless because I believe we should be tough on criminals? Ha. Cupcake I firmly believe we should be harsh on the scum of society, not be little snowflakes and be kind to them. Remember they are criminals. They should be treated as such. |
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They are about rehabilitation, they offer education courses, they get ‘jobs’ and also do courses to help them figure out why they offend and how to prevent it in the future. Why’s that such a bad thing? They also offer a lot of support to help people quit drugs. And yes we all know no prison is completely clean from them, but there are many things to help them become reformed and ready to rejoin society rather than setting them up to fail when they’re realeased.
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Clueless because I believe we should be tough on criminals? Ha. Cupcake I firmly believe we should be harsh on the scum of society, not be little snowflakes and be kind to them. Remember they are criminals. They should be treated as such."
No, you're clueless because you clearly have no idea of what prison is actually like beyond what you've read in the paper.
You're like the 40 year old virgin talking about boobs feeling "like a bag of sand" - anyone who has a clue is going "What?!"
*That* is why your clueless. Because you have absolutely no clue what you're talking about |
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I don't own a penis so if there was ever a discussion about what it's like to own a penis I couldn't comment because I have no idea what it's like to own one.
Same as this topic, you really don't understand what goes on inside a prison so you're not in a position to comment.
A routine of waking up and going to bed the same time won't reform a prisoner. There's 100's of reasons which are individual to each person which would determine the percentage of them reoffending. It's social conditions, do they have a family unit on the outside, education level, their skill set. Say someone is an armed robber, they have no trade or skill and now a criminal record, what are they going to do when they get out, walk into a job in a bank or post office or shop?
What would help is special employers that would specifically take on ex prisoners as apprentices, gardeners/landscapers, electricians, plumbers, builders, etc prisoners to learn these skills and trades whilst they're inside and just have someone give them a chance when they get out.
If you had a choice between someone coming to work in your home who has never been in prison v someone who has you're gonna have the person who hasn't but with employers that can risk assess and appropriately supervise these people whilst working, there wouldn't be any problem.
If you let someone out with no skills and with society only thinking you're bad you may as well just be bad.
I think you missed the point. Hard labour and routine will stop the riots, which is the main topic. Reform is well, largely dependent on the criminal if they want to change. No amount of mummy cuddling will change a person.
Prisoners should not have TVs, game consoles, pool tables access to computers. They should get bare basics. They are in prison for a reason.
Personally anouther good deterrent would be three strikes and your out. Like if you offend three times you should be either life without probation or hanged. They clearly aren’t a productive part of society. That’ll scare afew low life criminals into order.
When they leave they should be placed in a halfway house to help them get a job, find a home and get them involved with help groups as they have served their time for their crime.
As for employment, I don’t hire anyone with a criminal record. Clients don’t like it and I’m not keen on the idea as someone will probably have to watch over them, costing me more money therefore raising my prices.
Sure timpsons do a great job at hiring offenders and help them a lot but that’s a completely different industry.
Yes my methods are harsh but remember. They are criminals and should be treated as such. If they knew the risks most wouldn’t commit their crimes but most criminals see prison as a holiday home.
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I have a Criminology degree, which gives me a fairly sound theoretical grounding, and I work in a prison (for kids), which gives me a fairly sound practical grounding.
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Absolutely clueless
Clueless because I believe we should be tough on criminals? Ha. Cupcake I firmly believe we should be harsh on the scum of society, not be little snowflakes and be kind to them. Remember they are criminals. They should be treated as such.
No, you're clueless because you clearly have no idea of what prison is actually like beyond what you've read in the paper.
You're like the 40 year old virgin talking about boobs feeling "like a bag of sand" - anyone who has a clue is going "What?!"
*That* is why your clueless. Because you have absolutely no clue what you're talking about"
I couldn't have put it better myself.....and yes I have been sat here thinking "what??!!" like a hell of a lot of others |
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I don't own a penis so if there was ever a discussion about what it's like to own a penis I couldn't comment because I have no idea what it's like to own one.
Same as this topic, you really don't understand what goes on inside a prison so you're not in a position to comment.
A routine of waking up and going to bed the same time won't reform a prisoner. There's 100's of reasons which are individual to each person which would determine the percentage of them reoffending. It's social conditions, do they have a family unit on the outside, education level, their skill set. Say someone is an armed robber, they have no trade or skill and now a criminal record, what are they going to do when they get out, walk into a job in a bank or post office or shop?
What would help is special employers that would specifically take on ex prisoners as apprentices, gardeners/landscapers, electricians, plumbers, builders, etc prisoners to learn these skills and trades whilst they're inside and just have someone give them a chance when they get out.
If you had a choice between someone coming to work in your home who has never been in prison v someone who has you're gonna have the person who hasn't but with employers that can risk assess and appropriately supervise these people whilst working, there wouldn't be any problem.
If you let someone out with no skills and with society only thinking you're bad you may as well just be bad.
I think you missed the point. Hard labour and routine will stop the riots, which is the main topic. Reform is well, largely dependent on the criminal if they want to change. No amount of mummy cuddling will change a person.
Prisoners should not have TVs, game consoles, pool tables access to computers. They should get bare basics. They are in prison for a reason.
Personally anouther good deterrent would be three strikes and your out. Like if you offend three times you should be either life without probation or hanged. They clearly aren’t a productive part of society. That’ll scare afew low life criminals into order.
When they leave they should be placed in a halfway house to help them get a job, find a home and get them involved with help groups as they have served their time for their crime.
As for employment, I don’t hire anyone with a criminal record. Clients don’t like it and I’m not keen on the idea as someone will probably have to watch over them, costing me more money therefore raising my prices.
Sure timpsons do a great job at hiring offenders and help them a lot but that’s a completely different industry.
Yes my methods are harsh but remember. They are criminals and should be treated as such. If they knew the risks most wouldn’t commit their crimes but most criminals see prison as a holiday home.
I have a Criminology degree, which gives me a fairly sound theoretical grounding, and I work in a prison (for kids), which gives me a fairly sound practical grounding.
You couldn't be more wrong on almost every point you make!"
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I don't own a penis so if there was ever a discussion about what it's like to own a penis I couldn't comment because I have no idea what it's like to own one.
Same as this topic, you really don't understand what goes on inside a prison so you're not in a position to comment.
A routine of waking up and going to bed the same time won't reform a prisoner. There's 100's of reasons which are individual to each person which would determine the percentage of them reoffending. It's social conditions, do they have a family unit on the outside, education level, their skill set. Say someone is an armed robber, they have no trade or skill and now a criminal record, what are they going to do when they get out, walk into a job in a bank or post office or shop?
What would help is special employers that would specifically take on ex prisoners as apprentices, gardeners/landscapers, electricians, plumbers, builders, etc prisoners to learn these skills and trades whilst they're inside and just have someone give them a chance when they get out.
If you had a choice between someone coming to work in your home who has never been in prison v someone who has you're gonna have the person who hasn't but with employers that can risk assess and appropriately supervise these people whilst working, there wouldn't be any problem.
If you let someone out with no skills and with society only thinking you're bad you may as well just be bad.
I think you missed the point. Hard labour and routine will stop the riots, which is the main topic. Reform is well, largely dependent on the criminal if they want to change. No amount of mummy cuddling will change a person.
Prisoners should not have TVs, game consoles, pool tables access to computers. They should get bare basics. They are in prison for a reason.
Personally anouther good deterrent would be three strikes and your out. Like if you offend three times you should be either life without probation or hanged. They clearly aren’t a productive part of society. That’ll scare afew low life criminals into order.
When they leave they should be placed in a halfway house to help them get a job, find a home and get them involved with help groups as they have served their time for their crime.
As for employment, I don’t hire anyone with a criminal record. Clients don’t like it and I’m not keen on the idea as someone will probably have to watch over them, costing me more money therefore raising my prices.
Sure timpsons do a great job at hiring offenders and help them a lot but that’s a completely different industry.
Yes my methods are harsh but remember. They are criminals and should be treated as such. If they knew the risks most wouldn’t commit their crimes but most criminals see prison as a holiday home.
I have a Criminology degree, which gives me a fairly sound theoretical grounding, and I work in a prison (for kids), which gives me a fairly sound practical grounding.
You couldn't be more wrong on almost every point you make!
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I don't own a penis so if there was ever a discussion about what it's like to own a penis I couldn't comment because I have no idea what it's like to own one.
Same as this topic, you really don't understand what goes on inside a prison so you're not in a position to comment.
A routine of waking up and going to bed the same time won't reform a prisoner. There's 100's of reasons which are individual to each person which would determine the percentage of them reoffending. It's social conditions, do they have a family unit on the outside, education level, their skill set. Say someone is an armed robber, they have no trade or skill and now a criminal record, what are they going to do when they get out, walk into a job in a bank or post office or shop?
What would help is special employers that would specifically take on ex prisoners as apprentices, gardeners/landscapers, electricians, plumbers, builders, etc prisoners to learn these skills and trades whilst they're inside and just have someone give them a chance when they get out.
If you had a choice between someone coming to work in your home who has never been in prison v someone who has you're gonna have the person who hasn't but with employers that can risk assess and appropriately supervise these people whilst working, there wouldn't be any problem.
If you let someone out with no skills and with society only thinking you're bad you may as well just be bad.
I think you missed the point. Hard labour and routine will stop the riots, which is the main topic. Reform is well, largely dependent on the criminal if they want to change. No amount of mummy cuddling will change a person.
Prisoners should not have TVs, game consoles, pool tables access to computers. They should get bare basics. They are in prison for a reason.
Personally anouther good deterrent would be three strikes and your out. Like if you offend three times you should be either life without probation or hanged. They clearly aren’t a productive part of society. That’ll scare afew low life criminals into order.
When they leave they should be placed in a halfway house to help them get a job, find a home and get them involved with help groups as they have served their time for their crime.
As for employment, I don’t hire anyone with a criminal record. Clients don’t like it and I’m not keen on the idea as someone will probably have to watch over them, costing me more money therefore raising my prices.
Sure timpsons do a great job at hiring offenders and help them a lot but that’s a completely different industry.
Yes my methods are harsh but remember. They are criminals and should be treated as such. If they knew the risks most wouldn’t commit their crimes but most criminals see prison as a holiday home.
I have a Criminology degree, which gives me a fairly sound theoretical grounding, and I work in a prison (for kids), which gives me a fairly sound practical grounding.
You couldn't be more wrong on almost every point you make!
I'm guessing they're the type that would've voted for Trump if they lived in the U.S. "
People just need to look beyond what they read in the mainstream media.
They aren't going to go shouting about the lack of recidivism in Scandinavian countries that have 'soft' penal systems. It doesn't sell newspapers or Sky subscriptions.
They also won't show the figures on how much success has been had using restorative justice, it doesn't sell newspapers or Sky subscriptions.
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"Prisons aren't about rehabilitation they never have been they are just institutions to house those who have broken the law of the land and seperate them from the law abiding populous. The punishment is being separated from society for an allotted amount of time, to not have your Liberty
They are about rehabilitation, they offer education courses, they get ‘jobs’ and also do courses to help them figure out why they offend and how to prevent it in the future. Why’s that such a bad thing? They also offer a lot of support to help people quit drugs. And yes we all know no prison is completely clean from them, but there are many things to help them become reformed and ready to rejoin society rather than setting them up to fail when they’re realeased.
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I don't know which prisons you're talking about.....?? "
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"Prisons aren't about rehabilitation they never have been they are just institutions to house those who have broken the law of the land and seperate them from the law abiding populous. The punishment is being separated from society for an allotted amount of time, to not have your Liberty
They are about rehabilitation, they offer education courses, they get ‘jobs’ and also do courses to help them figure out why they offend and how to prevent it in the future. Why’s that such a bad thing? They also offer a lot of support to help people quit drugs. And yes we all know no prison is completely clean from them, but there are many things to help them become reformed and ready to rejoin society rather than setting them up to fail when they’re realeased.
L.
I don't know which prisons you're talking about.....??
I do "
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"Prisons aren't about rehabilitation they never have been they are just institutions to house those who have broken the law of the land and seperate them from the law abiding populous. The punishment is being separated from society for an allotted amount of time, to not have your Liberty
They are about rehabilitation, they offer education courses, they get ‘jobs’ and also do courses to help them figure out why they offend and how to prevent it in the future. Why’s that such a bad thing? They also offer a lot of support to help people quit drugs. And yes we all know no prison is completely clean from them, but there are many things to help them become reformed and ready to rejoin society rather than setting them up to fail when they’re realeased.
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I don't know which prisons you're talking about.....??
I do
which prisons?"
Lots of them. |
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"Prisons aren't about rehabilitation they never have been they are just institutions to house those who have broken the law of the land and seperate them from the law abiding populous. The punishment is being separated from society for an allotted amount of time, to not have your Liberty
They are about rehabilitation, they offer education courses, they get ‘jobs’ and also do courses to help them figure out why they offend and how to prevent it in the future. Why’s that such a bad thing? They also offer a lot of support to help people quit drugs. And yes we all know no prison is completely clean from them, but there are many things to help them become reformed and ready to rejoin society rather than setting them up to fail when they’re realeased.
L.
I don't know which prisons you're talking about.....??
I do
which prisons?
Lots of them. "
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"Prisons aren't about rehabilitation they never have been they are just institutions to house those who have broken the law of the land and seperate them from the law abiding populous. The punishment is being separated from society for an allotted amount of time, to not have your Liberty
They are about rehabilitation, they offer education courses, they get ‘jobs’ and also do courses to help them figure out why they offend and how to prevent it in the future. Why’s that such a bad thing? They also offer a lot of support to help people quit drugs. And yes we all know no prison is completely clean from them, but there are many things to help them become reformed and ready to rejoin society rather than setting them up to fail when they’re realeased.
L.
I don't know which prisons you're talking about.....??
I do
which prisons?
Lots of them.
great answer. "
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