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over a year ago
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It’s been in the news recently that MPs have concluded that some of the rules around Vaping should be relaxed.
The MPs believe transport and other public places should be more sympathetic to vaping. That means not bracketing e-cig users with smokers and banishing them to the street.
I must admit I don’t like the smell of some vapes and I still think not enough is known. So I don’t want vaping allowed in public places.
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By *rwolfMan
over a year ago
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As you have said, there are no long term studies done on vaping so who knows what else could be going on.
Should laws be relaxed? Nope.
Think about this, you are out having a nice meal, nice resturant enjoying a steak or salmon and pooof hit in the face with some sickly sweet vape mist from some one next to you... No thanks. |
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"It’s been in the news recently that MPs have concluded that some of the rules around Vaping should be relaxed.
The MPs believe transport and other public places should be more sympathetic to vaping. That means not bracketing e-cig users with smokers and banishing them to the street.
I must admit I don’t like the smell of some vapes and I still think not enough is known. So I don’t want vaping allowed in public places.
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From a 3rd party point of view, no I don't want to go home stinking of lemon barley garlic honey after a night out any more than I do tobacco. |
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"Lol years ago they claimed smoking was good for you. Would go to doctor and he would be puffing away. "
When have they ever claimed smoking is good for you??? And things were different back in the day |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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No.
It’s unpleasant as a non smoker and vapours are used to the restrictions so why change them.
Some of these vape things can fill a room like a smoke machine can. It’s crazy. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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No, in my opinion, even if after research, they had enough information to state it’s not harmful I still don’t think they should be used in enclosed spaces.
I am an ex smoker who vapes for the nicotine, but my vape doesn’t release any cloud whatsoever so I vape where I want, when I want and as far as anyone else is concerned I could be sucking my finger. 
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"Lol years ago they claimed smoking was good for you. Would go to doctor and he would be puffing away.
When have they ever claimed smoking is good for you??? And things were different back in the day "
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"Lol years ago they claimed smoking was good for you. Would go to doctor and he would be puffing away.
When have they ever claimed smoking is good for you??? And things were different back in the day "
It does highlight my age when I can clearly recall the Hamlet cigar ads saying the best way to relax is with a cigar like Hamlet!
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"Lol years ago they claimed smoking was good for you. Would go to doctor and he would be puffing away.
When have they ever claimed smoking is good for you??? And things were different back in the day
It does highlight my age when I can clearly recall the Hamlet cigar ads saying the best way to relax is with a cigar like Hamlet!
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I remember those as well lol |
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"Lol years ago they claimed smoking was good for you. Would go to doctor and he would be puffing away.
When have they ever claimed smoking is good for you??? And things were different back in the day
It does highlight my age when I can clearly recall the Hamlet cigar ads saying the best way to relax is with a cigar like Hamlet!
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Some of those were really funny
Beer ads too, whatever happened to those? |
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"Lol years ago they claimed smoking was good for you. Would go to doctor and he would be puffing away.
When have they ever claimed smoking is good for you??? And things were different back in the day
It does highlight my age when I can clearly recall the Hamlet cigar ads saying the best way to relax is with a cigar like Hamlet!
Some of those were really funny
Beer ads too, whatever happened to those?"
Common sense and health won over sales and profit margins I reckon |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I remember my uncle smoking pipe tobbaco ....I used to think it smelt lovley ."
Yep, I recall sitting on my dads lap holding his ashtray (which I made hehe) and the smell was quite relaxing (maybe because Hamlet cigars told me that’s what smoke did lol) |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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No they shouldn’t
I’m a non smoker, always have been
I don’t want to walk into a place full of vape smoke thanku
I see vaping is just the same as smoking |
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I used to love these debates but so many people haven't a clue in all honesty. 99% of them are non vapers.
There has been long term research into them. Sweden started 10 years ago, Japan even longer. This research was used when the government allowed them here.
It's not the same as smoking. It's like they same stuff that comes out of smoke machines in night clubs. That's not smoke either.
They shouldn't be treated the same as cigarettes in certain cases. No smoking them inside in any public place. I never walked around Asda smoking a fag so why should I vape.
You should be allowed to smoke them at the football for eg but I understand why you are not and I'm more than happy for it to stay that way.
So no. No buses, trains, any confined public space. No school playground or kids parks. It's not something we should advertise as cool.
Unless you can prove you are or were a smoker you shouldn't be able to get your hands on one.
They need to be seen as a quitting aid or alternative but not a fashion item.
I've almost had mine for 5 years now
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By *ruly50Woman
over a year ago
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"The pub I work in we allow people to vape as long as they’re not producing huge clouds which I know some mods do, a lot of our customers use the vape pens "
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"The pub I work in we allow people to vape as long as they’re not producing huge clouds which I know some mods do, a lot of our customers use the vape pens
The pub I run allows vaping but not the cloud vaping as it sets the fire alarms off "
Yeah I’ve set my alarms off in the past at home lol |
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What is people's main problem with vaping? Is it the smell? How about the smell coming off so many different perfumes, aftershaves and body odours?
Is it the cloud of "smoke"? That's just vapour, the same as you get off a boiling kettle, or a nightclub smoke machine or the smoke from a kitchen. Is it the nicotine? Tomatoes have nicotine in them, as do aubergines and some other fruits and veg. People have nicotine patches, chewing gum and other inhalers - these also put nicotine out in one form or another, but do people complain about these? No. I think people just enjoy jumping on the anti-smoking bandwagon without having any kind of real knowledge about vaping, because they see someone put something to their mouth, and "smoke" happens. People love to hate, and every other avenue to vent their ignorant hatred is closed off. |
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I'm a smoker who managed to quit for a while by vaping but fell off the wagon.
I think the rules for vaping should be the same as for smoking. Regardless of the fact not much is known about how safe/harmful vaping is it is antisocial and people need to be considerate towards others. Vaping is a great tool to help people quit smoking but shouldn't be treated differently. |
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"It’s been in the news recently that MPs have concluded that some of the rules around Vaping should be relaxed.
The MPs believe transport and other public places should be more sympathetic to vaping. That means not bracketing e-cig users with smokers and banishing them to the street.
I must admit I don’t like the smell of some vapes and I still think not enough is known. So I don’t want vaping allowed in public places.
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Agree with you 100%. Why should the rest of us put up with "secondary vaping" so some folks can pollute their lungs via a completely unnecessary habit?
It's nothing but a commercial push by those who see yet another business opportunity with money to be made from fools.
Suppose it does have long-term effects will they give us "collateral damage" victims our lungs back and say "Sorry"?
Just take a look at the recent decision against Monsanto and the killer Roundup for how long it can take before some poor (dying) soul gets any consideration.
You want to vape? Be my guest. Go sit in a closed cupboard and vape to your heart's content. Leave the rest of us out of it! |
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"It’s been in the news recently that MPs have concluded that some of the rules around Vaping should be relaxed.
The MPs believe transport and other public places should be more sympathetic to vaping. That means not bracketing e-cig users with smokers and banishing them to the street.
I must admit I don’t like the smell of some vapes and I still think not enough is known. So I don’t want vaping allowed in public places.
Agree with you 100%. Why should the rest of us put up with "secondary vaping" so some folks can pollute their lungs via a completely unnecessary habit?
It's nothing but a commercial push by those who see yet another business opportunity with money to be made from fools.
Suppose it does have long-term effects will they give us "collateral damage" victims our lungs back and say "Sorry"?
Just take a look at the recent decision against Monsanto and the killer Roundup for how long it can take before some poor (dying) soul gets any consideration.
You want to vape? Be my guest. Go sit in a closed cupboard and vape to your heart's content. Leave the rest of us out of it!"
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"Lol years ago they claimed smoking was good for you. Would go to doctor and he would be puffing away.
When have they ever claimed smoking is good for you??? And things were different back in the day
It does highlight my age when I can clearly recall the Hamlet cigar ads saying the best way to relax is with a cigar like Hamlet!
Some of those were really funny
Beer ads too, whatever happened to those?
Common sense and health won over sales and profit margins I reckon "
Regarding the "cigarettes are good for you" claims, you obviously aren't old enough. The beneficial effects of tobacco and cigarettes were being well popularised in the early years and the quote about doctors smoking is very accurate. |
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"It’s been in the news recently that MPs have concluded that some of the rules around Vaping should be relaxed.
The MPs believe transport and other public places should be more sympathetic to vaping. That means not bracketing e-cig users with smokers and banishing them to the street.
I must admit I don’t like the smell of some vapes and I still think not enough is known. So I don’t want vaping allowed in public places.
Agree with you 100%. Why should the rest of us put up with "secondary vaping" so some folks can pollute their lungs via a completely unnecessary habit?
It's nothing but a commercial push by those who see yet another business opportunity with money to be made from fools.
Suppose it does have long-term effects will they give us "collateral damage" victims our lungs back and say "Sorry"?
Just take a look at the recent decision against Monsanto and the killer Roundup for how long it can take before some poor (dying) soul gets any consideration.
You want to vape? Be my guest. Go sit in a closed cupboard and vape to your heart's content. Leave the rest of us out of it!
Oooooh drama alert"
Is "Ooooo...." the Best you can do for a comment re an attempt to part more fools from their money while ignoring possible effects on the rest of us?
Sensible people, (that is those who think instead of uttering "Ooooohs") reflect on the thousands who died from smoking related diseases while the tobacco industry fought a dirty rearguard action over tens of years aided and abetted by fools who said "Ooooh, a fuss about nothing".
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over a year ago
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Is it the cloud of "smoke"? That's just vapour, the same as you get off a boiling kettle, or a nightclub smoke machine or the smoke from a kitchen."
I vape. If you have ever cleaned out the inside of the nozzle with a bit of tissue or whatever, then it is clearly not just like steam from a kettle. The residue inside a vape nozzle, left by the "vapour", is a thick, oily, sticky residue. I don't believe for a second that none of that ends up in my lungs.
I also work in live music and nightclubs, the residue from smoke machines might be "water soluble" but it is still oily and sticky stuff and hard to clean. I def wouldn't fancy standing next to a machine and directly inhaling the smoke, even speaking as a smoker.
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"It’s been in the news recently that MPs have concluded that some of the rules around Vaping should be relaxed.
The MPs believe transport and other public places should be more sympathetic to vaping. That means not bracketing e-cig users with smokers and banishing them to the street.
I must admit I don’t like the smell of some vapes and I still think not enough is known. So I don’t want vaping allowed in public places.
Get over yourself
Agree with you 100%. Why should the rest of us put up with "secondary vaping" so some folks can pollute their lungs via a completely unnecessary habit?
It's nothing but a commercial push by those who see yet another business opportunity with money to be made from fools.
Suppose it does have long-term effects will they give us "collateral damage" victims our lungs back and say "Sorry"?
Just take a look at the recent decision against Monsanto and the killer Roundup for how long it can take before some poor (dying) soul gets any consideration.
You want to vape? Be my guest. Go sit in a closed cupboard and vape to your heart's content. Leave the rest of us out of it!
Oooooh drama alert
Is "Ooooo...." the Best you can do for a comment re an attempt to part more fools from their money while ignoring possible effects on the rest of us?
Sensible people, (that is those who think instead of uttering "Ooooohs") reflect on the thousands who died from smoking related diseases while the tobacco industry fought a dirty rearguard action over tens of years aided and abetted by fools who said "Ooooh, a fuss about nothing".
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"It’s been in the news recently that MPs have concluded that some of the rules around Vaping should be relaxed.
The MPs believe transport and other public places should be more sympathetic to vaping. That means not bracketing e-cig users with smokers and banishing them to the street.
I must admit I don’t like the smell of some vapes and I still think not enough is known. So I don’t want vaping allowed in public places.
Agree with you 100%. Why should the rest of us put up with "secondary vaping" so some folks can pollute their lungs via a completely unnecessary habit?
It's nothing but a commercial push by those who see yet another business opportunity with money to be made from fools.
Suppose it does have long-term effects will they give us "collateral damage" victims our lungs back and say "Sorry"?
Just take a look at the recent decision against Monsanto and the killer Roundup for how long it can take before some poor (dying) soul gets any consideration.
You want to vape? Be my guest. Go sit in a closed cupboard and vape to your heart's content. Leave the rest of us out of it!
Oooooh drama alert
Is "Ooooo...." the Best you can do for a comment re an attempt to part more fools from their money while ignoring possible effects on the rest of us?
Sensible people, (that is those who think instead of uttering "Ooooohs") reflect on the thousands who died from smoking related diseases while the tobacco industry fought a dirty rearguard action over tens of years aided and abetted by fools who said "Ooooh, a fuss about nothing".
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Oooh as in drama/OTT.
I'd already posted a few posts up.
The best you can do is ignore that though.
Isn't this post about the effects on the rest of us and how the government know the harm isn't as bad as they (rightly so) previously said?
I didn't say 'Fuss about nothing' I just pointed out I thought you were being a bit dramatic.
Sitting in a cupboard in the dark?
Blowing it in people's faces?
I'm standing by my original reply having read your last two. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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No thank you!
I work in a hotel and it's bad enough having to walk through a crowd of guests who are gagging for a fag when I get to work to half 6 in the morning, never mind having to walk through clouds of vapour while I'm indoors at work. Never mind the fact that they set the smoke alarms off which then means that the whole building has to be evacuated. |
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"It’s been in the news recently that MPs have concluded that some of the rules around Vaping should be relaxed.
The MPs believe transport and other public places should be more sympathetic to vaping. That means not bracketing e-cig users with smokers and banishing them to the street.
I must admit I don’t like the smell of some vapes and I still think not enough is known. So I don’t want vaping allowed in public places.
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There are no laws concerning the use of vaped in public or confined spaces so how can they relax them.
The evidence is clear that exposure to second hand smoke is harmful, which is why the UK has laws prohibiting smoking in enclosed public places and workplaces. These laws do not cover vaping and organisations are free to make their own policies on the use of e-cigarettes on their premises.
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"It’s been in the news recently that MPs have concluded that some of the rules around Vaping should be relaxed.
The MPs believe transport and other public places should be more sympathetic to vaping. That means not bracketing e-cig users with smokers and banishing them to the street.
I must admit I don’t like the smell of some vapes and I still think not enough is known. So I don’t want vaping allowed in public places.
There are no laws concerning the use of vaped in public or confined spaces so how can they relax them.
The evidence is clear that exposure to second hand smoke is harmful, which is why the UK has laws prohibiting smoking in enclosed public places and workplaces. These laws do not cover vaping and organisations are free to make their own policies on the use of e-cigarettes on their premises.
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I said rules though not laws. Many companies including London Transport treat it the same as smoking. |
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By *ove3funCouple
over a year ago
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"I would quite like it though if some bars were allowed to desginate themselves as smoking bars. I didn't really see the need for such a blanket ban."
I don't smoke anymore but many friends do so we end up sitting out in the cold , would rather be able to choose to go to a smoking place and sit in the warm |
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The should be the same as smoking.
I don’t want to be sat eating a meal then have to inhale someone’s 2nd hand steam just as much as I don’t with smoke.
People look like adult babies with their pacifiers.
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Is it the cloud of "smoke"? That's just vapour, the same as you get off a boiling kettle, or a nightclub smoke machine or the smoke from a kitchen.
I vape. If you have ever cleaned out the inside of the nozzle with a bit of tissue or whatever, then it is clearly not just like steam from a kettle. The residue inside a vape nozzle, left by the "vapour", is a thick, oily, sticky residue. I don't believe for a second that none of that ends up in my lungs.
I also work in live music and nightclubs, the residue from smoke machines might be "water soluble" but it is still oily and sticky stuff and hard to clean. I def wouldn't fancy standing next to a machine and directly inhaling the smoke, even speaking as a smoker.
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I just wonder how many years until people are dying from lung cancer because of vaping.
Keep it outside with the smokers. |
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Is it the cloud of "smoke"? That's just vapour, the same as you get off a boiling kettle, or a nightclub smoke machine or the smoke from a kitchen.
I vape. If you have ever cleaned out the inside of the nozzle with a bit of tissue or whatever, then it is clearly not just like steam from a kettle. The residue inside a vape nozzle, left by the "vapour", is a thick, oily, sticky residue. I don't believe for a second that none of that ends up in my lungs.
I also work in live music and nightclubs, the residue from smoke machines might be "water soluble" but it is still oily and sticky stuff and hard to clean. I def wouldn't fancy standing next to a machine and directly inhaling the smoke, even speaking as a smoker.
I just wonder how many years until people are dying from lung cancer because of vaping.
Keep it outside with the smokers. "
You can’t get lung cancer from vaping  |
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Is it the cloud of "smoke"? That's just vapour, the same as you get off a boiling kettle, or a nightclub smoke machine or the smoke from a kitchen.
I vape. If you have ever cleaned out the inside of the nozzle with a bit of tissue or whatever, then it is clearly not just like steam from a kettle. The residue inside a vape nozzle, left by the "vapour", is a thick, oily, sticky residue. I don't believe for a second that none of that ends up in my lungs.
I also work in live music and nightclubs, the residue from smoke machines might be "water soluble" but it is still oily and sticky stuff and hard to clean. I def wouldn't fancy standing next to a machine and directly inhaling the smoke, even speaking as a smoker.
I just wonder how many years until people are dying from lung cancer because of vaping.
Keep it outside with the smokers.
You can’t get lung cancer from vaping "
That's what they said about cigarettes. |
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Is it the cloud of "smoke"? That's just vapour, the same as you get off a boiling kettle, or a nightclub smoke machine or the smoke from a kitchen.
I vape. If you have ever cleaned out the inside of the nozzle with a bit of tissue or whatever, then it is clearly not just like steam from a kettle. The residue inside a vape nozzle, left by the "vapour", is a thick, oily, sticky residue. I don't believe for a second that none of that ends up in my lungs.
I also work in live music and nightclubs, the residue from smoke machines might be "water soluble" but it is still oily and sticky stuff and hard to clean. I def wouldn't fancy standing next to a machine and directly inhaling the smoke, even speaking as a smoker.
I just wonder how many years until people are dying from lung cancer because of vaping.
Keep it outside with the smokers.
You can’t get lung cancer from vaping
That's what they said about cigarettes."
So please explain how vaping liquid that turns into steam would develop into lung cancer? |
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Is it the cloud of "smoke"? That's just vapour, the same as you get off a boiling kettle, or a nightclub smoke machine or the smoke from a kitchen.
I vape. If you have ever cleaned out the inside of the nozzle with a bit of tissue or whatever, then it is clearly not just like steam from a kettle. The residue inside a vape nozzle, left by the "vapour", is a thick, oily, sticky residue. I don't believe for a second that none of that ends up in my lungs.
I also work in live music and nightclubs, the residue from smoke machines might be "water soluble" but it is still oily and sticky stuff and hard to clean. I def wouldn't fancy standing next to a machine and directly inhaling the smoke, even speaking as a smoker.
I just wonder how many years until people are dying from lung cancer because of vaping.
Keep it outside with the smokers.
You can’t get lung cancer from vaping
That's what they said about cigarettes.
So please explain how vaping liquid that turns into steam would develop into lung cancer?"
Do you have shares in vaping companies? Did you read the post I quoted? |
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Is it the cloud of "smoke"? That's just vapour, the same as you get off a boiling kettle, or a nightclub smoke machine or the smoke from a kitchen.
I vape. If you have ever cleaned out the inside of the nozzle with a bit of tissue or whatever, then it is clearly not just like steam from a kettle. The residue inside a vape nozzle, left by the "vapour", is a thick, oily, sticky residue. I don't believe for a second that none of that ends up in my lungs.
I also work in live music and nightclubs, the residue from smoke machines might be "water soluble" but it is still oily and sticky stuff and hard to clean. I def wouldn't fancy standing next to a machine and directly inhaling the smoke, even speaking as a smoker.
I just wonder how many years until people are dying from lung cancer because of vaping.
Keep it outside with the smokers.
You can’t get lung cancer from vaping "
Give it 10 years and see. |
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"What is people's main problem with vaping? Is it the smell? How about the smell coming off so many different perfumes, aftershaves and body odours?
Is it the cloud of "smoke"? That's just vapour, the same as you get off a boiling kettle, or a nightclub smoke machine or the smoke from a kitchen. Is it the nicotine? Tomatoes have nicotine in them, as do aubergines and some other fruits and veg. People have nicotine patches, chewing gum and other inhalers - these also put nicotine out in one form or another, but do people complain about these? No. I think people just enjoy jumping on the anti-smoking bandwagon without having any kind of real knowledge about vaping, because they see someone put something to their mouth, and "smoke" happens. People love to hate, and every other avenue to vent their ignorant hatred is closed off."
I think it's because you can be walking along the high street minding your own business then woooof a cloud of disgusting smelly sickly candy floss hits you in the face, probably that. |
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