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NHS England to cut a list of 17 operations
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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So the NHS are cutting down on these operations see link to article
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2018/jun/29/nhs-wields-the-axe-on-17-unnecessary-procedures
In a nutshell this is the list.
17 treatments NHS England may axe
Four procedures will only be offered at the request of a patient:
Snoring surgery
Dilation and curettage for heavy menstrual bleeding
Knee arthroscopies for osteoarthritis
Injections for non-specific back pain
A further 13 treatments will only be offered when certain conditions are met:
Breast reduction
Removal of benign skin lesions
Grommets for glue ear
Tonsillectomy
Haemorrhoid surgery
Hysterectomy for heavy menstrual bleeding
Removal of lesions on eyelids
Removal of bone spurs for shoulder pain
Carpal tunnel syndrome release
Dupuytren’s contracture release
Excision of small, non cancerous lumps on the wrist called ganglia
Trigger finger release
Varicose vein surgery
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"I would say this is already in place to be honest. There has been a major reduction in that surgery type above anyway. "
Go you not think it is just a precursor to more cuts? |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"If somebody goes AWOL it's probably best they didn't have they're trigger finger done  "
Try telling that to a pianist who has developed that and his livelihood is up the swanny. . |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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The wider repercussions worry me, for some people it’s going to make a big impact on their quality of life and ability to do their job. So it’s going to cost other services more money, a false economy x |
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This is why I don't believe in the concept of the NHS. You pre-pay your medical expenses (tax) and then when you want the treatment... It's not there. Only the government could operate a business model where you have to pay on advance and it's optional if they give you the services later.  |
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By *amissCouple
over a year ago
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"This is why I don't believe in the concept of the NHS. You pre-pay your medical expenses (tax) and then when you want the treatment... It's not there. Only the government could operate a business model where you have to pay on advance and it's optional if they give you the services later. "
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"Sign of the times, unfortunately, it does concern me, though."
I like when they say the money saved will go to mental health...which desperately needs more money...but why does it need to be at a cost to something else...I'm almost certain if there was a vote to put 1pc on income tax the majority would vote for it if it all went to the NHS. . |
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"The wider repercussions worry me, for some people it’s going to make a big impact on their quality of life and ability to do their job. So it’s going to cost other services more money, a false economy x "
Take for instance the none removal of varicose veins..the lead to ulcers later on and that costs the NHS and fortune later on...false economy  |
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By *amissCouple
over a year ago
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"Sign of the times, unfortunately, it does concern me, though.
I like when they say the money saved will go to mental health...which desperately needs more money...but why does it need to be at a cost to something else...I'm almost certain if there was a vote to put 1pc on income tax the majority would vote for it if it all went to the NHS. ."
Yes, I would. It's all about how they distribute the funds, someone will always drop by the wayside, unfortunately. |
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By *amissCouple
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"The wider repercussions worry me, for some people it’s going to make a big impact on their quality of life and ability to do their job. So it’s going to cost other services more money, a false economy x
Take for instance the none removal of varicose veins..the lead to ulcers later on and that costs the NHS and fortune later on...false economy "
Yep, a good example. People's jobs and quality of life, can be affected by some of these conditions. |
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"Sign of the times, unfortunately, it does concern me, though.
I like when they say the money saved will go to mental health...which desperately needs more money...but why does it need to be at a cost to something else...I'm almost certain if there was a vote to put 1pc on income tax the majority would vote for it if it all went to the NHS. .
Yes, I would. It's all about how they distribute the funds, someone will always drop by the wayside, unfortunately."
Yes it is. That's why it's so frustrating when you need something. As a nation we pay ~38% of GDP as tax, into the system which is perfectly adequate by international standards. But when we need something back out the system, then central government say it's up to local government and local government say they haven't been given the money by central government. In the mean time, you just suffer. |
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By *amissCouple
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"Sign of the times, unfortunately, it does concern me, though.
I like when they say the money saved will go to mental health...which desperately needs more money...but why does it need to be at a cost to something else...I'm almost certain if there was a vote to put 1pc on income tax the majority would vote for it if it all went to the NHS. .
Yes, I would. It's all about how they distribute the funds, someone will always drop by the wayside, unfortunately.
Yes it is. That's why it's so frustrating when you need something. As a nation we pay ~38% of GDP as tax, into the system which is perfectly adequate by international standards. But when we need something back out the system, then central government say it's up to local government and local government say they haven't been given the money by central government. In the mean time, you just suffer. "
Quite right, my family have had great care from the NHS...once we were in the system, which in itself is a waiting game and does affect your life and those around you. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"Sign of the times, unfortunately, it does concern me, though.
I like when they say the money saved will go to mental health...which desperately needs more money...but why does it need to be at a cost to something else...I'm almost certain if there was a vote to put 1pc on income tax the majority would vote for it if it all went to the NHS. .
Yes, I would. It's all about how they distribute the funds, someone will always drop by the wayside, unfortunately.
Yes it is. That's why it's so frustrating when you need something. As a nation we pay ~38% of GDP as tax, into the system which is perfectly adequate by international standards. But when we need something back out the system, then central government say it's up to local government and local government say they haven't been given the money by central government. In the mean time, you just suffer. "
Would you sooner go the American way whereby only those who can afford to keep up Thier payments receive treatment? |
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"Sign of the times, unfortunately, it does concern me, though.
I like when they say the money saved will go to mental health...which desperately needs more money...but why does it need to be at a cost to something else...I'm almost certain if there was a vote to put 1pc on income tax the majority would vote for it if it all went to the NHS. .
Yes, I would. It's all about how they distribute the funds, someone will always drop by the wayside, unfortunately.
Yes it is. That's why it's so frustrating when you need something. As a nation we pay ~38% of GDP as tax, into the system which is perfectly adequate by international standards. But when we need something back out the system, then central government say it's up to local government and local government say they haven't been given the money by central government. In the mean time, you just suffer.
Would you sooner go the American way whereby only those who can afford to keep up Thier payments receive treatment?"
In WHO world rankings of healthcare, the UK ranks 18th and US ranks 37th. If I criticise the 18th best healthcare system, why would you assume I advocate for the 37th best one? Isn't that a bit of an odd thing to suggest? |
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The implication of the article is that these treatments are being restricted or stopped on medical rather than cost grounds. I wonder how much has been lost in translation and that some of the examples relate to ‘types’ of treatment that have been superseded? |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"Sign of the times, unfortunately, it does concern me, though.
I like when they say the money saved will go to mental health...which desperately needs more money...but why does it need to be at a cost to something else...I'm almost certain if there was a vote to put 1pc on income tax the majority would vote for it if it all went to the NHS. .
Yes, I would. It's all about how they distribute the funds, someone will always drop by the wayside, unfortunately.
Yes it is. That's why it's so frustrating when you need something. As a nation we pay ~38% of GDP as tax, into the system which is perfectly adequate by international standards. But when we need something back out the system, then central government say it's up to local government and local government say they haven't been given the money by central government. In the mean time, you just suffer.
Would you sooner go the American way whereby only those who can afford to keep up Thier payments receive treatment?
In WHO world rankings of healthcare, the UK ranks 18th and US ranks 37th. If I criticise the 18th best healthcare system, why would you assume I advocate for the 37th best one? Isn't that a bit of an odd thing to suggest? "
Not really as the NHS has its faults but I think private health care (as the US have) and your view seemed to hint at switching to private health care I don't think it was a bad assumption..your good at stats though  |
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"Sign of the times, unfortunately, it does concern me, though.
I like when they say the money saved will go to mental health...which desperately needs more money...but why does it need to be at a cost to something else...I'm almost certain if there was a vote to put 1pc on income tax the majority would vote for it if it all went to the NHS. .
Yes, I would. It's all about how they distribute the funds, someone will always drop by the wayside, unfortunately.
Yes it is. That's why it's so frustrating when you need something. As a nation we pay ~38% of GDP as tax, into the system which is perfectly adequate by international standards. But when we need something back out the system, then central government say it's up to local government and local government say they haven't been given the money by central government. In the mean time, you just suffer.
Would you sooner go the American way whereby only those who can afford to keep up Thier payments receive treatment?
In WHO world rankings of healthcare, the UK ranks 18th and US ranks 37th. If I criticise the 18th best healthcare system, why would you assume I advocate for the 37th best one? Isn't that a bit of an odd thing to suggest?
Not really as the NHS has its faults but I think private health care (as the US have) and your view seemed to hint at switching to private health care I don't think it was a bad assumption..your good at stats though "
No i don't want to replace the 17th best healthcare system with the 37th! I've honestly never heard anyone say they want the American system here. I don't honestly care if the provider is state or private, it's all about how good the care is. Right now we just have a postcode lottery. France is 62% state, 14% non-profit and 24% private. It doesn't have to be one or the other. |
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Three directly effect women and the remainder anyone. When you're at the stage where you need the majority of these operations the quality of everyday life has already been hit in a negative way for a considerable amount of time and this will just make it worse. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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I’m guessing it’s cost versus benefit, some of these surgeries cost a lot and maybe don’t always have a good outcome.
There have always been surgeries on lists that are low priority it just hasn’t always been publicised. It’s nothing new. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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This is the price we pay for the bullshit that is austerity.
The MHS like all public services ate being starved of cash while the tories cut tax for the rich and tell everyone the most vulnerable are to blame for th lack of funding.
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