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"I had an interesting discussion about it yesterday and I would say it isnt, as there is no such thing as a single measure of iq or a measure of general intelligence, cos we are all different, whats your view?" You discuss a lot of stuff shag... I am imagining you and your friends sitting around having a discourse about different topics and passing round the haribo  | |||
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"IQ is what it is - the ability for logical thought, the ability to use logic to solve novel problems - no more, no less, and I call that intelligence. Any other skill/aptitude/ability, and there are many, I call something else." . Stop explaining, it's the school sports day in here | |||
"As a bench mark, then yes, someone who has an IQ of 150 is generally accepted to be more intelligent than someone who’s IQ is 100. However this isn’t a good measure of Common Sense amongst other things. Also a high IQ is, in my experience, a sign of an analytical mind, and in some situations that’s no use at all. If you’re on a sinking ship, do you want someone who’s going to spend time figuring out what happened to make the ship start to sink, or do you want someone who’s going to fix the problem. " . 150 would be a genius, your in the 0.1% club. Obviously on a sinking ship I'd want to be stuck with Stephen hawking but that's mainly because I'd easily beat him to the last place in the life boat | |||
"A funny thing about the higher iq percentage is they tend to have a twisted sense of dark humour and also have less aggression about the dark humour!. They also tend to suffer from mental and physical illness more and have nocturnal sleep deprivation (night owls). "I didn't know this... Makes sense though. I have a fairly high IQ and indeed a dark twisted sense of humour, I have a mental illness and chronic insomnia too. Inspire of my IQ I don't think I'm terribly clever, in fact I am prone to some monumental "blonde moments" and pretty easily fooled. | |||
"A funny thing about the higher iq percentage is they tend to have a twisted sense of dark humour and also have less aggression about the dark humour!. They also tend to suffer from mental and physical illness more and have nocturnal sleep deprivation (night owls).
I didn't know this... Makes sense though.
I have a fairly high IQ and indeed a dark twisted sense of humour, I have a mental illness and chronic insomnia too.
Inspire of my IQ I don't think I'm terribly clever, in fact I am prone to some monumental "blonde moments" and pretty easily fooled.". Aspergers? | |||
"As a bench mark, then yes, someone who has an IQ of 150 is generally accepted to be more intelligent than someone who’s IQ is 100. However this isn’t a good measure of Common Sense amongst other things. Also a high IQ is, in my experience, a sign of an analytical mind, and in some situations that’s no use at all. If you’re on a sinking ship, do you want someone who’s going to spend time figuring out what happened to make the ship start to sink, or do you want someone who’s going to fix the problem. " Duh, that's what IQ is - the ability to solve the problem! | |||
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"I had an interesting discussion about it yesterday and I would say it isnt, as there is no such thing as a single measure of iq or a measure of general intelligence, cos we are all different, whats your view?" An IQ test is a great way to test a person's ability to do IQ tests... Cal | |||
" 150 would be a genius, your in the 0.1% club. " No, 150 only puts you in the top 2%. Over 156 I think it is puts you in the top 1% and genius is much higher. | |||
" 150 would be a genius, your in the 0.1% club. No, 150 only puts you in the top 2%. Over 156 I think it is puts you in the top 1% and genius is much higher." . Hahaha it's a good job my memory isn't tested, I remember it being 130 for the 2% | |||
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" 150 would be a genius, your in the 0.1% club. No, 150 only puts you in the top 2%. Over 156 I think it is puts you in the top 1% and genius is much higher." Yup Offspring is top 2%. He does my fucking head in | |||
" 150 would be a genius, your in the 0.1% club. No, 150 only puts you in the top 2%. Over 156 I think it is puts you in the top 1% and genius is much higher. Yup Offspring is top 2%. He does my fucking head in" Lol next prime minister then | |||
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" 150 would be a genius, your in the 0.1% club. No, 150 only puts you in the top 2%. Over 156 I think it is puts you in the top 1% and genius is much higher. Yup Offspring is top 2%. He does my fucking head in Lol next prime minister then " No. That would involve gettin' outta bed. And finding socks | |||
"I had an interesting discussion about it yesterday and I would say it isnt, as there is no such thing as a single measure of iq or a measure of general intelligence, cos we are all different, whats your view? You discuss a lot of stuff shag... I am imagining you and your friends sitting around having a discourse about different topics and passing round the haribo "Ty yes, we discuss about lots of things and yes, we do have some haribos too  | |||
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" 150 would be a genius, your in the 0.1% club. No, 150 only puts you in the top 2%. Over 156 I think it is puts you in the top 1% and genius is much higher. Yup Offspring is top 2%. He does my fucking head in Lol next prime minister then No. That would involve gettin' outta bed. And finding socks" Bugger. Maybe that guy that sits on his arse in the House of Commons all day shouting “Oi Oi” all the time then. He seems to be smart | |||
" 150 would be a genius, your in the 0.1% club. No, 150 only puts you in the top 2%. Over 156 I think it is puts you in the top 1% and genius is much higher. Yup Offspring is top 2%. He does my fucking head in Lol next prime minister then No. That would involve gettin' outta bed. And finding socks Bugger. Maybe that guy that sits on his arse in the House of Commons all day shouting “Oi Oi” all the time then. He seems to be smart " They SEEM to be smart, yes Appearances can be ever so deceptive | |||
"I had an interesting discussion about it yesterday and I would say it isnt, as there is no such thing as a single measure of iq or a measure of general intelligence, cos we are all different, whats your view?" I’m not intelligent however I’m far from stupid (most of the time hehe) Some people are just really clever in a different way.....I’ve found in my personal opinion some extremely intelligent people have absolutely no common sense and actually come across stupid.....it’s what makes the world go round hey....x | |||
"As a bench mark, then yes, someone who has an IQ of 150 is generally accepted to be more intelligent than someone who’s IQ is 100. However this isn’t a good measure of Common Sense amongst other things. Also a high IQ is, in my experience, a sign of an analytical mind, and in some situations that’s no use at all. If you’re on a sinking ship, do you want someone who’s going to spend time figuring out what happened to make the ship start to sink, or do you want someone who’s going to fix the problem. . 150 would be a genius, your in the 0.1% club. Obviously on a sinking ship I'd want to be stuck with Stephen hawking but that's mainly because I'd easily beat him to the last place in the life boat" As SH is dead he wouldn’t qualify for a life boat. You could use his coffin as a bouncy aid thought if it’s made from wood. | |||
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"I’m stupid "All the best people are. | |||
"I don’t think the iq tests are good measurement, I know so many super intelligent people who score very highly but struggle to make a sandwich with unsliced bread, and so many people who score low on these test but have the life experience to master so much, yet have the inability to explain how or why they took that option it’s difficult to fathom why but if I was put in a box full of wavy lines and dots yes I score high enough to get out, in real life if I needed that box and only had limited materials I’d fail badly , but yes I can cut bread" I’ve been diaganose with ADHD. What I find more interesting about myself is I have a disability of understanding words. Don’t matter if it’s spoken or written. I could read something very simple, but not a clue what it’s talking about. Which related to my writing skills. Sometimes the way I write makes absolutely no sense to others unless they know me in person. Then they’d get it. I must mention, English is my second language which make sure it a bit more challenging. But even when my family writes to me in our mother tongue. I still struggle to understand what they’re saying. It’s frustrsinf sometimes | |||
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"I don’t think the iq tests are good measurement, I know so many super intelligent people who score very highly but struggle to make a sandwich with unsliced bread, and so many people who score low on these test but have the life experience to master so much, yet have the inability to explain how or why they took that option it’s difficult to fathom why but if I was put in a box full of wavy lines and dots yes I score high enough to get out, in real life if I needed that box and only had limited materials I’d fail badly , but yes I can cut bread I’ve been diaganose with ADHD. What I find more interesting about myself is I have a disability of understanding words. Don’t matter if it’s spoken or written. I could read something very simple, but not a clue what it’s talking about. Which related to my writing skills. Sometimes the way I write makes absolutely no sense to others unless they know me in person. Then they’d get it. I must mention, English is my second language which make sure it a bit more challenging. But even when my family writes to me in our mother tongue. I still struggle to understand what they’re saying. It’s frustrsinf sometimes" I would say that is dyslexia not adhd | |||
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" 150 would be a genius, your in the 0.1% club. No, 150 only puts you in the top 2%. Over 156 I think it is puts you in the top 1% and genius is much higher." Depends which scale you use, there are several. | |||
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" 150 would be a genius, your in the 0.1% club. No, 150 only puts you in the top 2%. Over 156 I think it is puts you in the top 1% and genius is much higher. Depends which scale you use, there are several." . Yes your right and yes I'm right, I checked afterwards,130 is the 2% and 150 the 0.2% by the vast majority of scales used. | |||
"I think the original formula was a basic test to measure "intelligence" for the US armed forces. It's been refined a bit since then but still holds good for a measure of problem solving." I disagree. The tests are more like "guess what the test writer is thinking" than real problems. I score horribly on them because it's just a bunch of random shapes to me. I work with many people that have 20-40 IQ points on me and frankly I can frequently solve real analysis problems that they can't even attempt. It's a personality traits that some people, like me, can't be bothered with invented problems to solve and are only interested in real world applications. The tests favour people that do brilliantly on tests and achieve little in the real world. The fact that IQ scores can be improved by studying the tests says it all really. | |||
"I know people who have a decent IQ but are as thick as shit in real life matters, I wonder how they get through the day at times ". I honestly doubt it!. If you know somebody with 125 IQ they will be seriously good at problem solving and more than likely have a decent job, of course they may be held back in life by life skills and social skills which higher than average IQ people tend to suffer with but they will definitely not be "thick as shit" | |||
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"I know people who have a decent IQ but are as thick as shit in real life matters, I wonder how they get through the day at times .
I honestly doubt it!.
If you know somebody with 125 IQ they will be seriously good at problem solving and more than likely have a decent job, of course they may be held back in life by life skills and social skills which higher than average IQ people tend to suffer with but they will definitely not be "thick as shit""Maybe not thick as shit, but you've identified part of the problems already. Yeah they can solve "problems" that are clearly and concisely written, all the data is presented neatly in front of them and they are in the mood to do it. Back in the real world, about 1% of real world problems look like that and if they did, a computer would still solve it better. In the real world you need to add social skills and life skills in order to get the data to work with or normalize it, you need to gap fill based on your own judgements and all sorts of skills that IQ tests don't cover. | |||
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"It's not a great measure of intelligence Imo for several reasons. It only relates to some aspects of the human minds working, also includes elements that appear not especially intelligence, such as culturally biased parts. It's also based on 2 major flaws - we've not thoroughly and universally grasped or agreed what intelligence is yet and this methodology for texting it is based on flawed research and results. I think it also reflects a Western male dominated cultural perspective, which makes it even more troublesome. Needs a lot of work still " It's still amazing that a single attribute that's easily testable is a really strongly correlated predictor of success. That says something profound. But you're right that there's a definitional problem, if we decide intelligence as that thing that iq measures, then it's a circular definition. From what I've read, most experimental psychologists agree that there is only one intelligence attribute, however, and that other attributes are something else - eg. Agreeableness, which you might define in conjunction with intelligence as "emotional intelligence" | |||
"I know people who have a decent IQ but are as thick as shit in real life matters, I wonder how they get through the day at times .
I honestly doubt it!.
If you know somebody with 125 IQ they will be seriously good at problem solving and more than likely have a decent job, of course they may be held back in life by life skills and social skills which higher than average IQ people tend to suffer with but they will definitely not be "thick as shit"
Maybe not thick as shit, but you've identified part of the problems already. Yeah they can solve "problems" that are clearly and concisely written, all the data is presented neatly in front of them and they are in the mood to do it. Back in the real world, about 1% of real world problems look like that and if they did, a computer would still solve it better. In the real world you need to add social skills and life skills in order to get the data to work with or normalize it, you need to gap fill based on your own judgements and all sorts of skills that IQ tests don't cover. "You can’t measure those though. So in terms of measuring intelligence, IQ tests are what we have. | |||
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"I know people who have a decent IQ but are as thick as shit in real life matters, I wonder how they get through the day at times .
I honestly doubt it!.
If you know somebody with 125 IQ they will be seriously good at problem solving and more than likely have a decent job, of course they may be held back in life by life skills and social skills which higher than average IQ people tend to suffer with but they will definitely not be "thick as shit"
Maybe not thick as shit, but you've identified part of the problems already. Yeah they can solve "problems" that are clearly and concisely written, all the data is presented neatly in front of them and they are in the mood to do it. Back in the real world, about 1% of real world problems look like that and if they did, a computer would still solve it better. In the real world you need to add social skills and life skills in order to get the data to work with or normalize it, you need to gap fill based on your own judgements and all sorts of skills that IQ tests don't cover.
You can’t measure those though.
So in terms of measuring intelligence, IQ tests are what we have."We can and we do! The point is that IQ is what it is but it's really not much of an indicator of real world problem solving once you go above 100. So a person with an IQ of 100 will generally be much better at problem solving than an 80. But you can't say the same for 120-100. | |||
"I know people who have a decent IQ but are as thick as shit in real life matters, I wonder how they get through the day at times .
I honestly doubt it!.
If you know somebody with 125 IQ they will be seriously good at problem solving and more than likely have a decent job, of course they may be held back in life by life skills and social skills which higher than average IQ people tend to suffer with but they will definitely not be "thick as shit"
Maybe not thick as shit, but you've identified part of the problems already. Yeah they can solve "problems" that are clearly and concisely written, all the data is presented neatly in front of them and they are in the mood to do it. Back in the real world, about 1% of real world problems look like that and if they did, a computer would still solve it better. In the real world you need to add social skills and life skills in order to get the data to work with or normalize it, you need to gap fill based on your own judgements and all sorts of skills that IQ tests don't cover.
You can’t measure those though.
So in terms of measuring intelligence, IQ tests are what we have.
We can and we do! The point is that IQ is what it is but it's really not much of an indicator of real world problem solving once you go above 100. So a person with an IQ of 100 will generally be much better at problem solving than an 80. But you can't say the same for 120-100. "But you'd have to be able to accurately measure real world problem solving skills to know if that is correct, and you're saying you can't, so how can you possibly know that | |||
"I know people who have a decent IQ but are as thick as shit in real life matters, I wonder how they get through the day at times .
I honestly doubt it!.
If you know somebody with 125 IQ they will be seriously good at problem solving and more than likely have a decent job, of course they may be held back in life by life skills and social skills which higher than average IQ people tend to suffer with but they will definitely not be "thick as shit"
Maybe not thick as shit, but you've identified part of the problems already. Yeah they can solve "problems" that are clearly and concisely written, all the data is presented neatly in front of them and they are in the mood to do it. Back in the real world, about 1% of real world problems look like that and if they did, a computer would still solve it better. In the real world you need to add social skills and life skills in order to get the data to work with or normalize it, you need to gap fill based on your own judgements and all sorts of skills that IQ tests don't cover.
You can’t measure those though.
So in terms of measuring intelligence, IQ tests are what we have.
We can and we do! The point is that IQ is what it is but it's really not much of an indicator of real world problem solving once you go above 100. So a person with an IQ of 100 will generally be much better at problem solving than an 80. But you can't say the same for 120-100.
But you'd have to be able to accurately measure real world problem solving skills to know if that is correct, and you're saying you can't, so how can you possibly know that "Errr that's not what I'm saying so I can't follow your logic sorry | |||
"I know people who have a decent IQ but are as thick as shit in real life matters, I wonder how they get through the day at times .
I honestly doubt it!.
If you know somebody with 125 IQ they will be seriously good at problem solving and more than likely have a decent job, of course they may be held back in life by life skills and social skills which higher than average IQ people tend to suffer with but they will definitely not be "thick as shit"
Maybe not thick as shit, but you've identified part of the problems already. Yeah they can solve "problems" that are clearly and concisely written, all the data is presented neatly in front of them and they are in the mood to do it. Back in the real world, about 1% of real world problems look like that and if they did, a computer would still solve it better. In the real world you need to add social skills and life skills in order to get the data to work with or normalize it, you need to gap fill based on your own judgements and all sorts of skills that IQ tests don't cover.
You can’t measure those though.
So in terms of measuring intelligence, IQ tests are what we have.
We can and we do! The point is that IQ is what it is but it's really not much of an indicator of real world problem solving once you go above 100. So a person with an IQ of 100 will generally be much better at problem solving than an 80. But you can't say the same for 120-100.
But you'd have to be able to accurately measure real world problem solving skills to know if that is correct, and you're saying you can't, so how can you possibly know that
Errr that's not what I'm saying so I can't follow your logic sorry "you said that iq does not measure real world problem solving skills very well. But in order to be able to measure how well iq correlates to real world problem solving skills you'd have to have some other - reliable - way of measuring said skills to compare it to. My only point is that, from a purely utilitarian view, you can correlate iq with success, and it does correlate really well, especially over 100. So whatever your idea of real world problem solving skills is, or someone else's notion of intelligence, doesn't really matter, because there's a concrete tangible thing being measured by iq, and it's important, whatever you call it | |||
"I know people who have a decent IQ but are as thick as shit in real life matters, I wonder how they get through the day at times .
I honestly doubt it!.
If you know somebody with 125 IQ they will be seriously good at problem solving and more than likely have a decent job, of course they may be held back in life by life skills and social skills which higher than average IQ people tend to suffer with but they will definitely not be "thick as shit"
Maybe not thick as shit, but you've identified part of the problems already. Yeah they can solve "problems" that are clearly and concisely written, all the data is presented neatly in front of them and they are in the mood to do it. Back in the real world, about 1% of real world problems look like that and if they did, a computer would still solve it better. In the real world you need to add social skills and life skills in order to get the data to work with or normalize it, you need to gap fill based on your own judgements and all sorts of skills that IQ tests don't cover.
You can’t measure those though.
So in terms of measuring intelligence, IQ tests are what we have.
We can and we do! The point is that IQ is what it is but it's really not much of an indicator of real world problem solving once you go above 100. So a person with an IQ of 100 will generally be much better at problem solving than an 80. But you can't say the same for 120-100.
But you'd have to be able to accurately measure real world problem solving skills to know if that is correct, and you're saying you can't, so how can you possibly know that
Errr that's not what I'm saying so I can't follow your logic sorry you said that iq does not measure real world problem solving skills very well. But in order to be able to measure how well iq correlates to real world problem solving skills you'd have to have some other - reliable - way of measuring said skills to compare it to.
"Agreed, what's the problem? " My only point is that, from a purely utilitarian view, you can correlate iq with success, and it does correlate really well, especially over 100. So whatever your idea of real world problem solving skills is, or someone else's notion of intelligence, doesn't really matter, because there's a concrete tangible thing being measured by iq, and it's important, whatever you call it "What's your definition of success? Income doesn't correlate well with iQ above ~130... | |||
"I know people who have a decent IQ but are as thick as shit in real life matters, I wonder how they get through the day at times .
I honestly doubt it!.
If you know somebody with 125 IQ they will be seriously good at problem solving and more than likely have a decent job, of course they may be held back in life by life skills and social skills which higher than average IQ people tend to suffer with but they will definitely not be "thick as shit"
Maybe not thick as shit, but you've identified part of the problems already. Yeah they can solve "problems" that are clearly and concisely written, all the data is presented neatly in front of them and they are in the mood to do it. Back in the real world, about 1% of real world problems look like that and if they did, a computer would still solve it better. In the real world you need to add social skills and life skills in order to get the data to work with or normalize it, you need to gap fill based on your own judgements and all sorts of skills that IQ tests don't cover.
You can’t measure those though.
So in terms of measuring intelligence, IQ tests are what we have.
We can and we do! The point is that IQ is what it is but it's really not much of an indicator of real world problem solving once you go above 100. So a person with an IQ of 100 will generally be much better at problem solving than an 80. But you can't say the same for 120-100.
But you'd have to be able to accurately measure real world problem solving skills to know if that is correct, and you're saying you can't, so how can you possibly know that
Errr that's not what I'm saying so I can't follow your logic sorry you said that iq does not measure real world problem solving skills very well. But in order to be able to measure how well iq correlates to real world problem solving skills you'd have to have some other - reliable - way of measuring said skills to compare it to.
Agreed, what's the problem?
My only point is that, from a purely utilitarian view, you can correlate iq with success, and it does correlate really well, especially over 100.
So whatever your idea of real world problem solving skills is, or someone else's notion of intelligence, doesn't really matter, because there's a concrete tangible thing being measured by iq, and it's important, whatever you call it
What's your definition of success? Income doesn't correlate well with iQ above ~130...". I dunno musk, gates, wasinski these are all 150 IQ or 0.1% of the population, I mean sure not all the 0.1% IQ boffins are going to be billionaires but most of the people who actually invent shit are, that's just capitalism though | |||
"I know people who have a decent IQ but are as thick as shit in real life matters, I wonder how they get through the day at times .
I honestly doubt it!.
If you know somebody with 125 IQ they will be seriously good at problem solving and more than likely have a decent job, of course they may be held back in life by life skills and social skills which higher than average IQ people tend to suffer with but they will definitely not be "thick as shit"
Maybe not thick as shit, but you've identified part of the problems already. Yeah they can solve "problems" that are clearly and concisely written, all the data is presented neatly in front of them and they are in the mood to do it. Back in the real world, about 1% of real world problems look like that and if they did, a computer would still solve it better. In the real world you need to add social skills and life skills in order to get the data to work with or normalize it, you need to gap fill based on your own judgements and all sorts of skills that IQ tests don't cover.
You can’t measure those though.
So in terms of measuring intelligence, IQ tests are what we have.
We can and we do! The point is that IQ is what it is but it's really not much of an indicator of real world problem solving once you go above 100. So a person with an IQ of 100 will generally be much better at problem solving than an 80. But you can't say the same for 120-100.
But you'd have to be able to accurately measure real world problem solving skills to know if that is correct, and you're saying you can't, so how can you possibly know that
Errr that's not what I'm saying so I can't follow your logic sorry you said that iq does not measure real world problem solving skills very well. But in order to be able to measure how well iq correlates to real world problem solving skills you'd have to have some other - reliable - way of measuring said skills to compare it to.
Agreed, what's the problem?
My only point is that, from a purely utilitarian view, you can correlate iq with success, and it does correlate really well, especially over 100.
So whatever your idea of real world problem solving skills is, or someone else's notion of intelligence, doesn't really matter, because there's a concrete tangible thing being measured by iq, and it's important, whatever you call it
What's your definition of success? Income doesn't correlate well with iQ above ~130....
I dunno musk, gates, wasinski these are all 150 IQ or 0.1% of the population, I mean sure not all the 0.1% IQ boffins are going to be billionaires but most of the people who actually invent shit are, that's just capitalism though "Most the people with IQs of 150 are sat in universities earning £40-£60k, which is respectable but not exactly setting the world on fire. | |||
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"I know people who have a decent IQ but are as thick as shit in real life matters, I wonder how they get through the day at times .
I honestly doubt it!.
If you know somebody with 125 IQ they will be seriously good at problem solving and more than likely have a decent job, of course they may be held back in life by life skills and social skills which higher than average IQ people tend to suffer with but they will definitely not be "thick as shit"
Maybe not thick as shit, but you've identified part of the problems already. Yeah they can solve "problems" that are clearly and concisely written, all the data is presented neatly in front of them and they are in the mood to do it. Back in the real world, about 1% of real world problems look like that and if they did, a computer would still solve it better. In the real world you need to add social skills and life skills in order to get the data to work with or normalize it, you need to gap fill based on your own judgements and all sorts of skills that IQ tests don't cover.
You can’t measure those though.
So in terms of measuring intelligence, IQ tests are what we have.
We can and we do! The point is that IQ is what it is but it's really not much of an indicator of real world problem solving once you go above 100. So a person with an IQ of 100 will generally be much better at problem solving than an 80. But you can't say the same for 120-100.
But you'd have to be able to accurately measure real world problem solving skills to know if that is correct, and you're saying you can't, so how can you possibly know that
Errr that's not what I'm saying so I can't follow your logic sorry you said that iq does not measure real world problem solving skills very well. But in order to be able to measure how well iq correlates to real world problem solving skills you'd have to have some other - reliable - way of measuring said skills to compare it to.
Agreed, what's the problem?
My only point is that, from a purely utilitarian view, you can correlate iq with success, and it does correlate really well, especially over 100.
So whatever your idea of real world problem solving skills is, or someone else's notion of intelligence, doesn't really matter, because there's a concrete tangible thing being measured by iq, and it's important, whatever you call it
What's your definition of success? Income doesn't correlate well with iQ above ~130....
I dunno musk, gates, wasinski these are all 150 IQ or 0.1% of the population, I mean sure not all the 0.1% IQ boffins are going to be billionaires but most of the people who actually invent shit are, that's just capitalism though
Most the people with IQs of 150 are sat in universities earning £40-£60k, which is respectable but not exactly setting the world on fire. ". Yes I agree but look beyond money at the people who've invented stuff that's made your life great and we see there almost exclusively above 130 on the IQ score or top 2% of the population, yes as some have pointed out on here they couldn't make a "sandwich" but that's a different skill altogether and if nothing else keeps the average sandwich making halfwit feel better about the world. | |||
"I know people who have a decent IQ but are as thick as shit in real life matters, I wonder how they get through the day at times .
I honestly doubt it!.
If you know somebody with 125 IQ they will be seriously good at problem solving and more than likely have a decent job, of course they may be held back in life by life skills and social skills which higher than average IQ people tend to suffer with but they will definitely not be "thick as shit"
Maybe not thick as shit, but you've identified part of the problems already. Yeah they can solve "problems" that are clearly and concisely written, all the data is presented neatly in front of them and they are in the mood to do it. Back in the real world, about 1% of real world problems look like that and if they did, a computer would still solve it better. In the real world you need to add social skills and life skills in order to get the data to work with or normalize it, you need to gap fill based on your own judgements and all sorts of skills that IQ tests don't cover.
You can’t measure those though.
So in terms of measuring intelligence, IQ tests are what we have.
We can and we do! The point is that IQ is what it is but it's really not much of an indicator of real world problem solving once you go above 100. So a person with an IQ of 100 will generally be much better at problem solving than an 80. But you can't say the same for 120-100.
But you'd have to be able to accurately measure real world problem solving skills to know if that is correct, and you're saying you can't, so how can you possibly know that
Errr that's not what I'm saying so I can't follow your logic sorry you said that iq does not measure real world problem solving skills very well. But in order to be able to measure how well iq correlates to real world problem solving skills you'd have to have some other - reliable - way of measuring said skills to compare it to.
Agreed, what's the problem?
My only point is that, from a purely utilitarian view, you can correlate iq with success, and it does correlate really well, especially over 100.
So whatever your idea of real world problem solving skills is, or someone else's notion of intelligence, doesn't really matter, because there's a concrete tangible thing being measured by iq, and it's important, whatever you call it
What's your definition of success? Income doesn't correlate well with iQ above ~130....
I dunno musk, gates, wasinski these are all 150 IQ or 0.1% of the population, I mean sure not all the 0.1% IQ boffins are going to be billionaires but most of the people who actually invent shit are, that's just capitalism though
Most the people with IQs of 150 are sat in universities earning £40-£60k, which is respectable but not exactly setting the world on fire. .
Yes I agree but look beyond money at the people who've invented stuff that's made your life great and we see there almost exclusively above 130 on the IQ score or top 2% of the population, yes as some have pointed out on here they couldn't make a "sandwich" but that's a different skill altogether and if nothing else keeps the average sandwich making halfwit feel better about the world."Valid point. That is one type of problem solving though, albeit an important one. But take someone like Charlie Wilson (politician) and what he achieved. I doubt his IQ is near 130 but he's just drop dead shrewd and solved a problem that I don't think any inventors could (I.e. how to get the American political system to authorise the export of stinger missiles to Afghanistan). | |||
"I know people who have a decent IQ but are as thick as shit in real life matters, I wonder how they get through the day at times .
I honestly doubt it!.
If you know somebody with 125 IQ they will be seriously good at problem solving and more than likely have a decent job, of course they may be held back in life by life skills and social skills which higher than average IQ people tend to suffer with but they will definitely not be "thick as shit"
Maybe not thick as shit, but you've identified part of the problems already. Yeah they can solve "problems" that are clearly and concisely written, all the data is presented neatly in front of them and they are in the mood to do it. Back in the real world, about 1% of real world problems look like that and if they did, a computer would still solve it better. In the real world you need to add social skills and life skills in order to get the data to work with or normalize it, you need to gap fill based on your own judgements and all sorts of skills that IQ tests don't cover.
You can’t measure those though.
So in terms of measuring intelligence, IQ tests are what we have.
We can and we do! The point is that IQ is what it is but it's really not much of an indicator of real world problem solving once you go above 100. So a person with an IQ of 100 will generally be much better at problem solving than an 80. But you can't say the same for 120-100.
But you'd have to be able to accurately measure real world problem solving skills to know if that is correct, and you're saying you can't, so how can you possibly know that
Errr that's not what I'm saying so I can't follow your logic sorry you said that iq does not measure real world problem solving skills very well. But in order to be able to measure how well iq correlates to real world problem solving skills you'd have to have some other - reliable - way of measuring said skills to compare it to.
Agreed, what's the problem?
My only point is that, from a purely utilitarian view, you can correlate iq with success, and it does correlate really well, especially over 100.
So whatever your idea of real world problem solving skills is, or someone else's notion of intelligence, doesn't really matter, because there's a concrete tangible thing being measured by iq, and it's important, whatever you call it
What's your definition of success? Income doesn't correlate well with iQ above ~130....
I dunno musk, gates, wasinski these are all 150 IQ or 0.1% of the population, I mean sure not all the 0.1% IQ boffins are going to be billionaires but most of the people who actually invent shit are, that's just capitalism though
Most the people with IQs of 150 are sat in universities earning £40-£60k, which is respectable but not exactly setting the world on fire. .
Yes I agree but look beyond money at the people who've invented stuff that's made your life great and we see there almost exclusively above 130 on the IQ score or top 2% of the population, yes as some have pointed out on here they couldn't make a "sandwich" but that's a different skill altogether and if nothing else keeps the average sandwich making halfwit feel better about the world.
Valid point. That is one type of problem solving though, albeit an important one. But take someone like Charlie Wilson (politician) and what he achieved. I doubt his IQ is near 130 but he's just drop dead shrewd and solved a problem that I don't think any inventors could (I.e. how to get the American political system to authorise the export of stinger missiles to Afghanistan). ". Oh yea sure there's some brilliant none "problem solvers" , wonderful people with great oral skills and people skills and more importantly vision like Steve Jobs! | |||
"A funny thing about the higher iq percentage is they tend to have a twisted sense of dark humour and also have less aggression about the dark humour!. They also tend to suffer from mental and physical illness more and have nocturnal sleep deprivation (night owls).
I didn't know this... Makes sense though.
I have a fairly high IQ and indeed a dark twisted sense of humour, I have a mental illness and chronic insomnia too.
Inspire of my IQ I don't think I'm terribly clever, in fact I am prone to some monumental "blonde moments" and pretty easily fooled..
Aspergers? " Nope | |||
"A funny thing about the higher iq percentage is they tend to have a twisted sense of dark humour and also have less aggression about the dark humour!. They also tend to suffer from mental and physical illness more and have nocturnal sleep deprivation (night owls).
I didn't know this... Makes sense though.
I have a fairly high IQ and indeed a dark twisted sense of humour, I have a mental illness and chronic insomnia too.
Inspire of my IQ I don't think I'm terribly clever, in fact I am prone to some monumental "blonde moments" and pretty easily fooled..
Aspergers?
Nope". Ha that's ok, I only asked as I suffer from it myself. I have to give extra thought to what emoji I stick on the end | |||
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"I had an interesting discussion about it yesterday and I would say it isnt, as there is no such thing as a single measure of iq or a measure of general intelligence, cos we are all different, whats your view?" Common sense is best.... | |||
"The bit about problem solving...in the real world I'd argue that it is influenced most by IQ + creativity. Are the two correlated or are there good tests for creativity? " Common sense needs adding. | |||
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"As a bench mark, then yes, someone who has an IQ of 150 is generally accepted to be more intelligent than someone who’s IQ is 100. However this isn’t a good measure of Common Sense amongst other things. Also a high IQ is, in my experience, a sign of an analytical mind, and in some situations that’s no use at all. If you’re on a sinking ship, do you want someone who’s going to spend time figuring out what happened to make the ship start to sink, or do you want someone who’s going to fix the problem. . 150 would be a genius, your in the 0.1% club. Obviously on a sinking ship I'd want to be stuck with Stephen hawking but that's mainly because I'd easily beat him to the last place in the life boat" See that’s the sort of common sense I’m tslkkng about | |||
