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Ben Stokes is involved in a d*unken brawl and described by witnesses as being the main instigator in the aggression. He has also been accused of abusing a gay couple and was filmed fighting and also flicking a cigarette st the head of one of the gay men. Yet, many people are primarily concerned with when he will play cricket for England again.
Is d*unken yobbish behaviour and homophobia unimportant? Or is that just acceptable behaviour that we are all happy to see in our towns? Are we happy to cheer on and celebrate bullies and thugs if they happen to be good at sport?
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"Ben Stokes is involved in a d*unken brawl and described by witnesses as being the main instigator in the aggression. He has also been accused of abusing a gay couple and was filmed fighting and also flicking a cigarette st the head of one of the gay men. Yet, many people are primarily concerned with when he will play cricket for England again.
Is d*unken yobbish behaviour and homophobia unimportant? Or is that just acceptable behaviour that we are all happy to see in our towns? Are we happy to cheer on and celebrate bullies and thugs if they happen to be good at sport?
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Im not
I dont follow cricket and had no idea who he was but he does sound like a thoroughly nasty individual |
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"Ben Stokes is involved in a d*unken brawl and described by witnesses as being the main instigator in the aggression. He has also been accused of abusing a gay couple and was filmed fighting and also flicking a cigarette st the head of one of the gay men. Yet, many people are primarily concerned with when he will play cricket for England again.
Is d*unken yobbish behaviour and homophobia unimportant? Or is that just acceptable behaviour that we are all happy to see in our towns? Are we happy to cheer on and celebrate bullies and thugs if they happen to be good at sport?
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Do you want opinions on just Ben Stokes or celeb bullies in general? |
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Sportsmen who play for national teams must realise they are representing their nation. Their conduct must be seen as exemplary at all times. Hopefully if he is guilty he will never be allowed to represent England again. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"Ben Stokes is involved in a d*unken brawl and described by witnesses as being the main instigator in the aggression. He has also been accused of abusing a gay couple and was filmed fighting and also flicking a cigarette st the head of one of the gay men. Yet, many people are primarily concerned with when he will play cricket for England again.
Is d*unken yobbish behaviour and homophobia unimportant? Or is that just acceptable behaviour that we are all happy to see in our towns? Are we happy to cheer on and celebrate bullies and thugs if they happen to be good at sport?
Do you want opinions on just Ben Stokes or celeb bullies in general?"
All and any. There seems to be some hypocrisy in behaviour we accept from people just because they play for our team or are in a band we like or are good actors etc |
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I agree that it's a sad state of, affairs when people are more interested in him getting back to play for the national team than his behaviour, then again he was found not guilty so he should be free to play. |
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He’s been found not guilty. As awful and unedifying as the video is, he should just be allowed to carry on with his life, and his life is playing cricket for England. He has not been convicted of assault, nor of homophobic abuse. |
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"Ben Stokes is involved in a d*unken brawl and described by witnesses as being the main instigator in the aggression. He has also been accused of abusing a gay couple and was filmed fighting and also flicking a cigarette st the head of one of the gay men. Yet, many people are primarily concerned with when he will play cricket for England again.
Is d*unken yobbish behaviour and homophobia unimportant? Or is that just acceptable behaviour that we are all happy to see in our towns? Are we happy to cheer on and celebrate bullies and thugs if they happen to be good at sport?
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I don't follow cricket lock him up |
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"Ben Stokes is involved in a d*unken brawl and described by witnesses as being the main instigator in the aggression. He has also been accused of abusing a gay couple and was filmed fighting and also flicking a cigarette st the head of one of the gay men. Yet, many people are primarily concerned with when he will play cricket for England again.
Is d*unken yobbish behaviour and homophobia unimportant? Or is that just acceptable behaviour that we are all happy to see in our towns? Are we happy to cheer on and celebrate bullies and thugs if they happen to be good at sport?
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As a society we're happy to tolerate bad even criminal behaviour from "celebrities" and those in authority until the particular behaviour becomes the cause du jour...then we aren't. |
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"Ben Stokes is involved in a d*unken brawl and described by witnesses as being the main instigator in the aggression. He has also been accused of abusing a gay couple and was filmed fighting and also flicking a cigarette st the head of one of the gay men. Yet, many people are primarily concerned with when he will play cricket for England again.
Is d*unken yobbish behaviour and homophobia unimportant? Or is that just acceptable behaviour that we are all happy to see in our towns? Are we happy to cheer on and celebrate bullies and thugs if they happen to be good at sport?
Do you want opinions on just Ben Stokes or celeb bullies in general?
All and any. There seems to be some hypocrisy in behaviour we accept from people just because they play for our team or are in a band we like or are good actors etc"
Well I've given my opinion on Ben Stokes in the Ben Stokes thread that's currently still on Page 1 of the lounge. My latest being I dint understand how he isn't guilty going off the video alone.
As for others, same as him, just because your a celeb it doesn't give you special rules.
I'm sure there are other examples of this but I ant think of any right now.
Ant or Dec, I don't know, got found guilty of drink driving, rightly so and hasn't gotten away with it. |
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"He’s been found not guilty. As awful and unedifying as the video is, he should just be allowed to carry on with his life, and his life is playing cricket for England. He has not been convicted of assault, nor of homophobic abuse. "
You are absolutely right, he has been found not guilty. It’s more about the impatient desire by individuals and some in the media to hasten his return to cricket as if that was the most important aspect of the whole matter. |
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"Do you want to be like America? where people being liberal means shut the fuck up and dont offend anyone or your life gets ruined?"
Saying things that other people don’t like is different from intimidating people in the street and being aggressive towards them. |
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"He’s been found not guilty. As awful and unedifying as the video is, he should just be allowed to carry on with his life, and his life is playing cricket for England. He has not been convicted of assault, nor of homophobic abuse.
You are absolutely right, he has been found not guilty. It’s more about the impatient desire by individuals and some in the media to hasten his return to cricket as if that was the most important aspect of the whole matter."
England are doing okay without him at the moment.
He can earn more money if he gets banned for a year by not playing cricket IN or FOR England.
There's only a month and a bit left here anyway. |
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Get famous and you can generally behave badly and do what you like without serious repercussions, from sports people to musicians, actors or directors. It's wrong but seems to be accepted in western culture that famous people are above the law or common decency. |
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"He’s been found not guilty. As awful and unedifying as the video is, he should just be allowed to carry on with his life, and his life is playing cricket for England. He has not been convicted of assault, nor of homophobic abuse.
You are absolutely right, he has been found not guilty. It’s more about the impatient desire by individuals and some in the media to hasten his return to cricket as if that was the most important aspect of the whole matter."
Why shouldn’t a man who have been found not guilty by a court of law return to work with immediate effect? |
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"Why shouldn’t a man who have been found not guilty by a court of law return to work with immediate effect?"
They might have a clause in their contract about bringing the company into disrepute.
guilty or not, getting a company bad press is a sackable offense for a lot of companies.
Really depends on your contract though. |
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"He’s been found not guilty. As awful and unedifying as the video is, he should just be allowed to carry on with his life, and his life is playing cricket for England. He has not been convicted of assault, nor of homophobic abuse.
You are absolutely right, he has been found not guilty. It’s more about the impatient desire by individuals and some in the media to hasten his return to cricket as if that was the most important aspect of the whole matter."
Hasten his return?
They announced the team yesterday, for a game that starts next Sunday (I think). His name wasn't in it.
Can you give any names of these people who are trying to hasten his return? |
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He has been found not guilty. Shouldn't he now be allowed to get on with his life or are so called celebs or sports person's subject to different laws to every one else.
Wonder if you would have posted this if his name was John and he worked in a shop OP? |
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There are a lot of thugs on pedestals not just sportsmen and there are many who think the sun shines out their proverbial rear ends. Plenty of people will overlook/ignore someone being violent or having a violent past if it works in their favour. |
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"He has been found not guilty. Shouldn't he now be allowed to get on with his life or are so called celebs or sports person's subject to different laws to every one else.
Wonder if you would have posted this if his name was John and he worked in a shop OP?"
How would it be any different? A starbucks employee got sacked for asking black people to leave the store cause they were not paying customers and wanted to use the toilet.
I have seen multiple instances of local shops throwing workers out the front door for stuff that ended up on social media. If he was a shop worker he would be sacked straight away, pretty much guaranteed.
Saying that, i don't think people should be sacked for stuff they do in their personal time. I think its a really american thing to do. but thats who we copy. America. |
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His cards have been marked. He’s been publicly shown to be an unpleasant individual. He’ll have to watch his step in future i’m sure, both privately and professionally.
And you just know at some point he’s going to get a load of shit on a night out by someone trying to make a point.
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"Sportsmen who play for national teams must realise they are representing their nation. Their conduct must be seen as exemplary at all times. Hopefully if he is guilty he will never be allowed to represent England again."
Alternatively. His sporting performance should be exemplary. And by and large it is. Just look at the first test against India, and what the rest of the England side did in the Ashes.
His sporting performances (which is what he gets paid for) are completely separate from anything he does in his personal life.
It’s my opinion that this attitude that sportspeople should be role models is not only a new phenomenon, but sadly born out of a lack of quality role models in other fields. It’s horrifying to me that the society we live in in so shallow that because someone earns money for doing something nobody else can it’s assumed that they must be some moral guardian.
He’s not the first cricketer to punch someone in an ashes year (David Warner punched another player last time!!) The sport is currently battling match fixing and ball tampering problems which have wider implications.
It’s not like other sports are immune from off field problems. Joey Barton? Wayne Rooney?
My opinion on first seeing the footage was that he was in trouble, I haven’t been in court, but he has been found not guilty by unanimous decision. Let’s get on with the cricket. I’m sure that’s what he wants. |
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"His cards have been marked. He’s been publicly shown to be an unpleasant individual. He’ll have to watch his step in future i’m sure, both privately and professionally.
And you just know at some point he’s going to get a load of shit on a night out by someone trying to make a point.
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Great!! Mob justice.
He’s been found (whatever your opinion on him personally) not guilty. Hoping that someone else less talented and with less to lose has a pop at him is not really a progressive attitude. |
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"He has been found not guilty. Shouldn't he now be allowed to get on with his life or are so called celebs or sports person's subject to different laws to every one else.
Wonder if you would have posted this if his name was John and he worked in a shop OP?
How would it be any different? A starbucks employee got sacked for asking black people to leave the store cause they were not paying customers and wanted to use the toilet.
I have seen multiple instances of local shops throwing workers out the front door for stuff that ended up on social media. If he was a shop worker he would be sacked straight away, pretty much guaranteed.
Saying that, i don't think people should be sacked for stuff they do in their personal time. I think its a really american thing to do. but thats who we copy. America."
I think you may have missed the point a little.
We have a legal concept in this country of...
Innocent until proven guilty.
Any other way leads to injustice vigilantism and mob rule aka social media or worse! |
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"Get famous and you can generally behave badly and do what you like without serious repercussions, from sports people to musicians, actors or directors. It's wrong but seems to be accepted in western culture that famous people are above the law or common decency."
Except in this case he hasn’t. He has faced exactly the same legal process as the other co defendants (the ones with the bottles and metal bar). Hardly above the law.
It’s seems like (as a professional sportsperson) he is the one that’s suffered the most. Loss of playing time is far more important to these elite athletes than anything else.
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"He has been found not guilty. Shouldn't he now be allowed to get on with his life or are so called celebs or sports person's subject to different laws to every one else.
Wonder if you would have posted this if his name was John and he worked in a shop OP?"
 exactly! |
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"Back in the squad for the next test
He's been left out
Back in the squad for the next test
Ah, see they've added him now
Shake it all about"
Ha ha that made me chuckle |
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By (user no longer on site)
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Too many thugs in this country just got to look at somebody the wrong way and they're on you and if they've had a drink oh my, had to calm a situation down at a party I went to recently it was a great party marred by one drink fuelled incident  |
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"Too many thugs in this country just got to look at somebody the wrong way and they're on you and if they've had a drink oh my, had to calm a situation down at a party I went to recently it was a great party marred by one drink fuelled incident "
Girls, blokes, mixed? Who was causing it? |
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