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So a lot has been made of of Boris and the letter box comment in the media and social media. But how many have actually read the whole article that these comments come from?
For everyone that didnt here it is:
“If you tell me that the burka is oppressive, then I am with you. If you say that it is weird and bullying to expect women to cover their faces, then I totally agree – and I would add that I can find no scriptural authority for the practice in the Koran. _I would go further and say that it is absolutely ridiculous that people should choose to go around looking like letter boxes;_ and I thoroughly dislike any attempt by any – invariably male – government to encourage such demonstrations of “modesty”, notably the extraordinary exhortations of President Ramzan Kadyrov of Chechnya, who has told the men of his country to splat their women with paintballs if they fail to cover their heads.”
“If a constituent came to my MP’s surgery with her face obscured, I should feel fully entitled – like Jack Straw – to ask her to remove it so that I could talk to her properly. _If a female student turned up at school or at a university lecture looking like a bank robber then ditto:_ those in authority should be allowed to converse openly with those that they are being asked to instruct. As for individual businesses or branches of government – they should of course be able to enforce a dress code that enables their employees to interact with customers; and that means human beings must be able to see each other’s faces and read their expressions. It’s how we work.”
Im not a fan of Boris or the Tories but reading this article it seems things have been sensationalised and taken out of context? Granted terms like leter box and bank robers is not advisable use of descripted launguage. But in context to the who article is what Boris is arguing that unreasonable? |
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Yes it is unreasonable.
For a start it is the personal choice of the woman if she wears a full face vail or not. It's a cultural thing. As "we" can, they should be able to wear what they want.
As for the comments about asking someone to take off their vail at university, that again I can't see his point. Why does a lecturer need to be able to see the face of a student? In some of the campus lecture theatres, the lecturer wouldn't be able to see most of the students on the back row! |
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over a year ago
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Think it was an accurate statement,and ridiculous any female should dress in attire like that ,under the guise of religion, the majority of Muslim s women do not dress like that ,and probably don't agree with it |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Think it was an accurate statement,and ridiculous any female should dress in attire like that ,under the guise of religion, the majority of Muslim s women do not dress like that ,and probably don't agree with it "
Living in a highly Muslim populated area , having Muslim friends I’d say that the ones who do fully over ( my friends ) do it through personal choice.
It’s a very emotive subject ... let’s face it , oppression is not covered face 99% of the time |
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By *zmukMan
over a year ago
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Yes, it's dog whistle language. Not as bad at first look, but designed to resonate with a certain demographic.
Worst thing is that Boris won't necessarily believe it himself, but he will say and do anything to position himself ready for a leadership challenge. |
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"So a lot has been made of of Boris and the letter box comment in the media and social media. But how many have actually read the whole article that these comments come from?
For everyone that didnt here it is:
“If you tell me that the burka is oppressive, then I am with you. If you say that it is weird and bullying to expect women to cover their faces, then I totally agree – and I would add that I can find no scriptural authority for the practice in the Koran. _I would go further and say that it is absolutely ridiculous that people should choose to go around looking like letter boxes;_ and I thoroughly dislike any attempt by any – invariably male – government to encourage such demonstrations of “modesty”, notably the extraordinary exhortations of President Ramzan Kadyrov of Chechnya, who has told the men of his country to splat their women with paintballs if they fail to cover their heads.”
“If a constituent came to my MP’s surgery with her face obscured, I should feel fully entitled – like Jack Straw – to ask her to remove it so that I could talk to her properly. _If a female student turned up at school or at a university lecture looking like a bank robber then ditto:_ those in authority should be allowed to converse openly with those that they are being asked to instruct. As for individual businesses or branches of government – they should of course be able to enforce a dress code that enables their employees to interact with customers; and that means human beings must be able to see each other’s faces and read their expressions. It’s how we work.”
Im not a fan of Boris or the Tories but reading this article it seems things have been sensationalised and taken out of context? Granted terms like leter box and bank robers is not advisable use of descripted launguage. But in context to the who article is what Boris is arguing that unreasonable?"
Boris is a clever guy politics is about appealing to the masses he does it like an advertising executive, religion is oppressive who cares that's their culture not mine, I don't like Burkhas or dungarees or gimp masks, I do like to see a woman's face and especially her smile so down with black letter boxes |
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If Boris wanted to debate this issue, he could, and *should*, have stated his views *without* resorting to childish vocabulary. This isn't some ill informed know-it-all down the pub sounding off without thinking. The man is a member of parliament, a former foreign secretary (a role for which diplomacy and maturity should be a given) and a public figure who knows jolly well that whatever he says or writes will be scrutinised. To that end, someone in such a position of responsibility *knows* they should choose their words carefully - despite the baffoon image he often seems so keen to portray, he's not stupid and I suspect he knew full well his choice of words would be controversial and widely reported (which begs the question why he did it? … to court publicity? to goad TM and cause divison within the Tory party with his eye on future leadership?). There was simply no need to convey his opinion via terminology which had the potential to offend and which has now somewhat distracted public attention from the pertinent aspects of 'the veil' in all its guises. It's certainly lessened the impact of any true concern he purports to show towards women who feel obliged or coerced into covering their faces (as opposed to those who choose to do so) because the last thing a genuine sympathiser would want to do is to make the women concerned feel any worse about their lack of free choice by making snarky, rude remarks about their appearance. The whole thing stinks - I feel he's used an arguably vulnerable section of society (those veiled women who are pressured to dress a certain way) for his own political ends. |
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He’s an intelligent man. He knows how to articulate himself without causing offence. He’s a Politician, he knows that things can be taken out of context so even more care is needed with wording when spouting opinions.
He therefore should know better. Instead he acts like an insensitive clod.
The mind boggles. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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he starts by professing solidarity with opressed people then in the very next scentence attacks them for making a choice. it's crystal clear. the man is a monumental bellend ... with the emphasis on mental. |
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"He’s an intelligent man. He knows how to articulate himself without causing offence. He’s a Politician, he knows that things can be taken out of context so even more care is needed with wording when spouting opinions.
He therefore should know better. Instead he acts like an insensitive clod.
The mind boggles."
Well educated, not intelligent.
He's been overbred for power. |
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"So a lot has been made of of Boris and the letter box comment in the media and social media. But how many have actually read the whole article that these comments come from?
For everyone that didnt here it is:
“If you tell me that the burka is oppressive, then I am with you. If you say that it is weird and bullying to expect women to cover their faces, then I totally agree – and I would add that I can find no scriptural authority for the practice in the Koran. _I would go further and say that it is absolutely ridiculous that people should choose to go around looking like letter boxes;_ and I thoroughly dislike any attempt by any – invariably male – government to encourage such demonstrations of “modesty”, notably the extraordinary exhortations of President Ramzan Kadyrov of Chechnya, who has told the men of his country to splat their women with paintballs if they fail to cover their heads.”
“If a constituent came to my MP’s surgery with her face obscured, I should feel fully entitled – like Jack Straw – to ask her to remove it so that I could talk to her properly. _If a female student turned up at school or at a university lecture looking like a bank robber then ditto:_ those in authority should be allowed to converse openly with those that they are being asked to instruct. As for individual businesses or branches of government – they should of course be able to enforce a dress code that enables their employees to interact with customers; and that means human beings must be able to see each other’s faces and read their expressions. It’s how we work.”
Im not a fan of Boris or the Tories but reading this article it seems things have been sensationalised and taken out of context? Granted terms like leter box and bank robers is not advisable use of descripted launguage. But in context to the who article is what Boris is arguing that unreasonable?"
So is your argument that it is acceptable to use offensive language if it is in amongst a few paragraphs that isn’t offensive?
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Disliking the burka - fine
Mocking women for wearing a burka when you're supposed to be a senior politician with responsibilities - not fine
Boris very obviously doesn't care about this issue. It's just a way to stay in the news and appeal to the more xenophobic Tory voters ready for the inevitable leader contest. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Think it was an accurate statement,and ridiculous any female should dress in attire like that ,under the guise of religion, the majority of Muslim s women do not dress like that ,and probably don't agree with it "
Funnily enough a few friends don’t agree with wearing it and dont |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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He knew exactly the furore it would cause which is why he is refusing to apologise. He set out to offend and cause controversy knowing that theresa may would face calls to discipline him and that the already divided party would either back or condemn her whether she disciplines him or not. |
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By *rwolfMan
over a year ago
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It is an interesting debate once you step away from certain connotations.
Biker walks into a garage with his helmet on and get asks to remove it for safety purposes...as in show your face for the cctv cameras... Not an issue for most.
Man walks into a petrol station wearing a balaclave... You can bet people get edgy about it.
Woman walks in wearing a a hijab, birkah or similar head dress and nothing gets said.
Now in all examples all have their face covered, however to my knowledge only 2 of those examples have been used in the past to commit crimes frequently.
Now lets play "devils advocate" for a moment... The typical arguement from certain quaters is "how do you know dey aint a suicide bomber".... Purely because you are still talking after the fact.
In certain aspects it has been forced time and time again upon women in all cultures to dress a certain way, act a certain way but this is due to the misogynists at the time. Which this is the same. Put in place by those who wish to enforce gender control.
Bit of fun for all to try, go somewhere hot, put on a full face cover for the day and afterwards tell me if you would wear it volunterarliy or if you had other concerns like for your personal safety if you didnt! In some parts women are still stoned to death for showing an ankle! In areas of england now sharia law is practiced quitely and sometimes quite openly.
most women are still fearful of repercussion of not wearing it especially in certain communities.
*i feel i should add at this point i am not ignorant or biased but i have seen the world in various light over the course of my life time |
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By *x2 4 funCouple
over a year ago
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I remember watching a muslim guy with his family sitting on a beach in Gran Canaria with the wife in a full face mask while he was sitting there looking at every woman that walked past in their bikinis just saying |
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I do think they should be banned from wearing it while driving though, there is absolutely no way they can see enough through that mesh to drive safely, something I've witnessed a few times in Bradford. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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What others have to say about these matters doesn't really concern me, being a white Englishman.
My niece (single parent) met a new Englishman and a relationship began, as did the control.
It started with she suddenly appeared out and about 'without makeup'
As time past the clothes that she normally wore 'changed'
Her friends started to mention that she had 'stopped coming out'
They were also told that Mr Englishman didn't like her friends visiting the house when he was at home.
She was challenged about these things by 'us her family' But I love him was her reply.
I could go on, his controls were over every aspect of her and her childrens lives.
After one year he had practically removed her free will, it was her teenage daughter that fought him at every turn.
As with others, unless you know them personally and in the position to actually see their personality changing due to control by others.
Then ?
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By (user no longer on site)
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To (white) liberals saying it's a Cultural thing. Let me tell you something, the only people who wear face veils in the UK are (mainly British born) south Asians, white converts and a few other non gulf Arabs. This has nothing to do with any of those cultures. My grandmother wore one because she is from the desert in the gulf. It is cultural garment to do with style, in some cases modesty, and practicality like keeping sand and sun away from the face. It's something that pre dates Islam. The burqa and niqab can be used interchangeably and come in different forms from a metallic type covering the top half of the face with the eyes showing to a black veil covering the whole face. Visitors from the gulf may wear it here sometimes but my grandmother never did. In fact upon moving to the city she stopped wearing it and assumed a light headscarf. What we see today with women wearing it in the west may be for modesty reasons and personal choice but it is extremist inspired. Please don't talk about subjects you don't know. And do not talk for us. |
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Also a lot of women in the west/Europe started covering there hair and face post 9/11 as a political statement. It is another event in the current history of islamic extremism and now it's becoming mainstream.
As someone who's veen subjected to forced veiling and who wears an abaya as a fashion/cultural garment and who has fought to wear what I want , I get really pissed off when women want to exercise their rights without their responsibility. Just because you can do something does not mean you should. You need to think about the wider impact on society. Stop normalising the fetishism of a so called oriental fantasy. So much of islamic extremism is based around sex from men and women. |
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"Nothing wrong with Boris I enjoy his eccentricity, nothing wrong with his comments either they are just words that in the context of life mean nothing "
Words always mean something to someone. They appeal to the masses looking for another excuse to denigrate people who don’t look ‘like us’. Persecution starts small before it moves to book burning and yellow stars...
I’ve met him a couple of times at events and when he had to make an in person apology to a foreign leader for things he said. Boris gives off the air of a first class buffoon, sadly he isn’t. Everything Boris says and does is designed to place himself in the best possible light. His article being the latest example. He knows his boss can do nothing about him and that’s the sad fact about it. In any other walk of life he would be talking to HR and probably face the sack.
Did you realise when he was Mayor lobbying for the new airport, that he had a financial interest in site which would have shot up in value had the thing been approved. I do think that would have been a better option than expanding LHR.
Others more qualified than me have spoken about wearing the veil. I have no objection to it per se, but then again, I’ve travelled around the Middle East for years and I’m a first generation WASP immigrant living in London. |
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"Nothing wrong with Boris I enjoy his eccentricity, nothing wrong with his comments either they are just words that in the context of life mean nothing "
Given that he is the former foreign secretary, former mayor of London, a current MP for a culturally diverse jurisdiction and has long been talked up as futures leader of the tory party and potentially a future prime minister, I don't think his words can be dismissed as "meaning nothing". He's a mam of huge influence |
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"Nothing wrong with Boris I enjoy his eccentricity, nothing wrong with his comments either they are just words that in the context of life mean nothing
Words always mean something to someone. They appeal to the masses looking for another excuse to denigrate people who don’t look ‘like us’. Persecution starts small before it moves to book burning and yellow stars...
I’ve met him a couple of times at events and when he had to make an in person apology to a foreign leader for things he said. Boris gives off the air of a first class buffoon, sadly he isn’t. Everything Boris says and does is designed to place himself in the best possible light. His article being the latest example. He knows his boss can do nothing about him and that’s the sad fact about it. In any other walk of life he would be talking to HR and probably face the sack.
Did you realise when he was Mayor lobbying for the new airport, that he had a financial interest in site which would have shot up in value had the thing been approved. I do think that would have been a better option than expanding LHR.
Others more qualified than me have spoken about wearing the veil. I have no objection to it per se, but then again, I’ve travelled around the Middle East for years and I’m a first generation WASP immigrant living in London. "
words are a method of communication you can only be offended by them if you are the type that gives them the meaning you object to Boris isn't the type to be deliberately offensive and the outfit as practical as it is in the dessert is unattractive and unsuitable as attire in our country, so the fact it also looks like a black letterbox means little in so far as it does |
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"Nothing wrong with Boris I enjoy his eccentricity, nothing wrong with his comments either they are just words that in the context of life mean nothing
Words always mean something to someone. They appeal to the masses looking for another excuse to denigrate people who don’t look ‘like us’. Persecution starts small before it moves to book burning and yellow stars...
I’ve met him a couple of times at events and when he had to make an in person apology to a foreign leader for things he said. Boris gives off the air of a first class buffoon, sadly he isn’t. Everything Boris says and does is designed to place himself in the best possible light. His article being the latest example. He knows his boss can do nothing about him and that’s the sad fact about it. In any other walk of life he would be talking to HR and probably face the sack.
Did you realise when he was Mayor lobbying for the new airport, that he had a financial interest in site which would have shot up in value had the thing been approved. I do think that would have been a better option than expanding LHR.
Others more qualified than me have spoken about wearing the veil. I have no objection to it per se, but then again, I’ve travelled around the Middle East for years and I’m a first generation WASP immigrant living in London. words are a method of communication you can only be offended by them if you are the type that gives them the meaning you object to Boris isn't the type to be deliberately offensive and the outfit as practical as it is in the dessert is unattractive and unsuitable as attire in our country, so the fact it also looks like a black letterbox means little in so far as it does "
Boris isn't the ttoe to be deliberately offensive??  Are you having a laugh?
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It's just a way for the left wing media to throw the term islamophobia around, even though the burka isn't part of Islam. But let's not let facts get in the way of a welcome distraction from the rampant anti-semitism in the labour party and their leader who attends ceremonies for terrorists. |
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"Nothing wrong with Boris I enjoy his eccentricity, nothing wrong with his comments either they are just words that in the context of life mean nothing
Words always mean something to someone. They appeal to the masses looking for another excuse to denigrate people who don’t look ‘like us’. Persecution starts small before it moves to book burning and yellow stars...
I’ve met him a couple of times at events and when he had to make an in person apology to a foreign leader for things he said. Boris gives off the air of a first class buffoon, sadly he isn’t. Everything Boris says and does is designed to place himself in the best possible light. His article being the latest example. He knows his boss can do nothing about him and that’s the sad fact about it. In any other walk of life he would be talking to HR and probably face the sack.
Did you realise when he was Mayor lobbying for the new airport, that he had a financial interest in site which would have shot up in value had the thing been approved. I do think that would have been a better option than expanding LHR.
Others more qualified than me have spoken about wearing the veil. I have no objection to it per se, but then again, I’ve travelled around the Middle East for years and I’m a first generation WASP immigrant living in London. words are a method of communication you can only be offended by them if you are the type that gives them the meaning you object to Boris isn't the type to be deliberately offensive and the outfit as practical as it is in the dessert is unattractive and unsuitable as attire in our country, so the fact it also looks like a black letterbox means little in so far as it does
Boris isn't the ttoe to be deliberately offensive?? Are you having a laugh?
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Boris is a very good Tory distraction tactic.
We're debating this when we should be holding the current government to account for the rise in the use of food banks, the massive cuts they have just announced to councils which is going to impact essential services like social services, elderly care.
And personally I have a massive issue with men, middled aged and privileged thinking it's anything to do with them what a woman wears. If you've ever spoken to a woman wearing a niqhab or burkah you'd soon see they are exactly the same as any other woman.
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"Boris is a very good Tory distraction tactic.
We're debating this when we should be holding the current government to account for the rise in the use of food banks, the massive cuts they have just announced to councils which is going to impact essential services like social services, elderly care.
And personally I have a massive issue with men, middled aged and privileged thinking it's anything to do with them what a woman wears. If you've ever spoken to a woman wearing a niqhab or burkah you'd soon see they are exactly the same as any other woman.
Ooh rant over "
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"It's just a way for the left wing media to throw the term islamophobia around, even though the burka isn't part of Islam. But let's not let facts get in the way of a welcome distraction from the rampant anti-semitism in the labour party and their leader who attends ceremonies for terrorists. "
You can;t see the irony in condemning the left wing media for doing exactly the same as what the right wing media are doing can you?
And lets distract the nation from what Boris did last week by dragging up more and more dirt from years ago about Corbyn. |
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By *VineMan
over a year ago
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"Boris is a very good Tory distraction tactic.
We're debating this when we should be holding the current government to account for the rise in the use of food banks, the massive cuts they have just announced to councils which is going to impact essential services like social services, elderly care.
And personally I have a massive issue with men, middled aged and privileged thinking it's anything to do with them what a woman wears. If you've ever spoken to a woman wearing a niqhab or burkah you'd soon see they are exactly the same as any other woman.
Ooh rant over "
I agree with this. Both a distraction and also positioning himself with the Tory party membership for a potential leadership challenge.
I think his motives for writing it have very little to do with Muslim women. Or am I being too cynical? |
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"Boris is a very good Tory distraction tactic.
We're debating this when we should be holding the current government to account for the rise in the use of food banks, the massive cuts they have just announced to councils which is going to impact essential services like social services, elderly care.
And personally I have a massive issue with men, middled aged and privileged thinking it's anything to do with them what a woman wears. If you've ever spoken to a woman wearing a niqhab or burkah you'd soon see they are exactly the same as any other woman.
Ooh rant over
I agree with this. Both a distraction and also positioning himself with the Tory party membership for a potential leadership challenge.
I think his motives for writing it have very little to do with Muslim women. Or am I being too cynical? "
I think cynicism when it comes to politics is incredibly smart, says the cynic lol
And I agree whole heartedly |
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It was distorted by those that wanted to be offended. Arguments regarding it's rights and wrongs used misquotes and incorrect context.
It was distorted by those that wanted to be inflammatory for their own financial gain ...... e.g. media.
The ignorant will continue to condemn his comments without reading the article ( thanks for sharing ) and the plain fucking thick will continue to misunderstand what was said even when they've read it. |
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"It was distorted by those that wanted to be offended. Arguments regarding it's rights and wrongs used misquotes and incorrect context.
It was distorted by those that wanted to be inflammatory for their own financial gain ...... e.g. media.
The ignorant will continue to condemn his comments without reading the article ( thanks for sharing ) and the plain fucking thick will continue to misunderstand what was said even when they've read it. "
Thank you for calling me thick. |
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My point was more to do with how the media present information, distort things and the way we lap up bits of information and hearsay without any attempt to dig out the source. Most people I know at work etc talking about it had not actually read the whole article. They were just banding about that he was calling burka wearers bank robbers and letter boxes.
Persoanlly I wouldn't want to ban the burka. People should have the right to dress (or not dress) as they like. As the same to the practise of religious or cultural expression if it does no harm and is completely consensual. Having said that I don't think we should over look opressive comunity attitudes in the name of tollerance. In this case our wider society values whole face contact as spoken word is only a small part of communication and expression. Especialy when conversing as humans and sharing something together. Covering the face I would argue is often a barrier to gelling as humans and dehumanises us (maybe the point of it). For most in our society I think this is undesirable. So as much as people should have the right to wear what they like I dont think its unreasonable not to want to interact with someome who is not willing to interact on the same level? Surely as much as understanding a persons culture is a mater of respect, understanding a persons desire to converse on an equal footing is also a mater of respect? |
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A few points I would like to add.
Male terrorists have have dressed as women with full face cover to escape from the security forces.
There will be plenty of women that choose to cover their head/face and there will be plenty that are told to wear it by male family members.
As some have said it's a cultural choice and that others from different cultures don't have the right to interfere.
Taking this to the extreme, the horrific act of FGM is part of some cultures, where do we decide where the line in the sand is for cultural practices?
Going the other way, if you move to a new country shouldn't you respect their culture above your own, surely that is why you moved to that country, to be part of it? |
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He's not stupid. He knows this will sway the Tommy Robinson fan boys over to Conservative, it's a great distraction technique.
Unfortunately, I think he'll probably be the next Prime Minister. Sounds insane but nobody thought Trump would be President. People like a showman/clown these days, regardless of their actual politics |
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The real issue is the fact that we have no idea of the hidden agenda behind the comment and who is pulling the strings behind Boris.
Boris is an intelligent bloke and he knows exactly what he is doing when making a provocative statement like that. It also shines a very bad light on the government on a world stage that the ex foreign secretary would make such a statement. |
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"He's not stupid. He knows this will sway the Tommy Robinson fan boys over to Conservative, it's a great distraction technique.
Unfortunately, I think he'll probably be the next Prime Minister. Sounds insane but nobody thought Trump would be President. People like a showman/clown these days, regardless of their actual politics "
I don't think he will be PM, I think Rees Mogg is being lined up for that; which is a terrifying prospect |
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It was a good expression from this piece of sh$$, who clearly shows he's unworthy of any government post. Morally bankrupt, he'll seek to use or harm anyone, for his own gain.
It's divisive and fostering of division and hate - so very wrong to do. |
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OP. Thanks for reposting what he said in full. It was the first time I’d read the full article.
Also I believe he was responding to a question about freedom of expression and whether he felt that a ban on face coverings as introduced in Denmark constitutes a restriction of expression rather than simply his opinion on burkhas, and certainly not on Islam as a whole.
It’s obvious from the reaction that anyone calling for boris’s Head has not read the article in full. Sadly but typically all people will have taken from that is the one headline sentence. Without the context
This is a typical ploy by lazy journalists with a lunatic left wing bias who struggle to think yet alone write in anything over 140 characters.
The BBC have been hugely and deliberately instrumental in this. What once was a proudly independent and unbiased organisation is a pathetic shadow of itself struggling to pump out it’s own political agenda.
As someone who is non-BAME, educated, able bodied and male, the BBC were never going to miss an opportunity to attempt to fuck him over. His words have been pointedly ashamedly and deviously quoted in quite deliverately a completely different context to that in which they were intended.
Rather than be sacked, Boris should be asking for an apology. Lesser politicians would be claiming defamation. |
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"OP. Thanks for reposting what he said in full. It was the first time I’d read the full article.
Also I believe he was responding to a question about freedom of expression and whether he felt that a ban on face coverings as introduced in Denmark constitutes a restriction of expression rather than simply his opinion on burkhas, and certainly not on Islam as a whole.
It’s obvious from the reaction that anyone calling for boris’s Head has not read the article in full. Sadly but typically all people will have taken from that is the one headline sentence. Without the context
This is a typical ploy by lazy journalists with a lunatic left wing bias who struggle to think yet alone write in anything over 140 characters.
The BBC have been hugely and deliberately instrumental in this. What once was a proudly independent and unbiased organisation is a pathetic shadow of itself struggling to pump out it’s own political agenda.
As someone who is non-BAME, educated, able bodied and male, the BBC were never going to miss an opportunity to attempt to fuck him over. His words have been pointedly ashamedly and deviously quoted in quite deliverately a completely different context to that in which they were intended.
Rather than be sacked, Boris should be asking for an apology. Lesser politicians would be claiming defamation."
I think we might have read two different articles. I read the above and I still think he was wrong and inflammatory saying those things and should not only apologise, but step down from being an mp. |
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"He's not stupid. He knows this will sway the Tommy Robinson fan boys over to Conservative, it's a great distraction technique.
Unfortunately, I think he'll probably be the next Prime Minister. Sounds insane but nobody thought Trump would be President. People like a showman/clown these days, regardless of their actual politics "
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Im not sure any "fan boys" would vote Tory regardless of what Boris says so I think your over egging the pudding a bit there.
As for next prime minister and sounding insane, well he's been the bookies lead twice and not got it yet, however I'd hardly describe it as insane to think he might one day, I'm afraid lots and lots of people thought trump would win the presidency, admittedly nobody in the libel press but that's because there stuck in their own little echo chamber.
People don't like a clown/showman, they like people that say what they're thinking, in this case Boris has got his finger firmly on the button, the vast majority of people in the street would absolutely echo Boris Johnsons article be they labour Tory or ukip (obviously not lib Dems) but there just crackpots in the main with a very small following |
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over a year ago
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That aside..
The man's still an idiot and politics would be a lot better without him.
A day trip to Afghanistan at the cost of £20k to avoid egg on the chin or having to lay in front of a bolldozer stinks of a coward to me.
I hope he coughs up the cash.. |
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"Boris is a very good Tory distraction tactic.
We're debating this when we should be holding the current government to account for the rise in the use of food banks, the massive cuts they have just announced to councils which is going to impact essential services like social services, elderly care.
And personally I have a massive issue with men, middled aged and privileged thinking it's anything to do with them what a woman wears. If you've ever spoken to a woman wearing a niqhab or burkah you'd soon see they are exactly the same as any other woman.
Ooh rant over "
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If I said all you women are lower then me and you shouldn't show your face as I own you. I think most people would think I'm a knob but in Muslim community's a lot of the women are held back and no-one says anything? |
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"If I said all you women are lower then me and you shouldn't show your face as I own you. I think most people would think I'm a knob but in Muslim community's a lot of the women are held back and no-one says anything?"
so you think Boris is right then?
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"If I said all you women are lower then me and you shouldn't show your face as I own you. I think most people would think I'm a knob but in Muslim community's a lot of the women are held back and no-one says anything?"
I didn't want to get involved in that sort of false debate but dude you need to open books instead of flies. |
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"What others have to say about these matters doesn't really concern me, being a white Englishman.
My niece (single parent) met a new Englishman and a relationship began, as did the control.
It started with she suddenly appeared out and about 'without makeup'
As time past the clothes that she normally wore 'changed'
Her friends started to mention that she had 'stopped coming out'
They were also told that Mr Englishman didn't like her friends visiting the house when he was at home.
She was challenged about these things by 'us her family' But I love him was her reply.
I could go on, his controls were over every aspect of her and her childrens lives.
After one year he had practically removed her free will, it was her teenage daughter that fought him at every turn.
As with others, unless you know them personally and in the position to actually see their personality changing due to control by others.
Then ?
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Update.
The nasty bastard has gone, but not before he hurt the mother and the teenage daughter.
He has been arrested and bailed.
They are being supported by us their family but some are so angry at the mother.
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"Yes it is unreasonable.
For a start it is the personal choice of the woman if she wears a full face vail or not. It's a cultural thing. As "we" can, they should be able to wear what they want.
As for the comments about asking someone to take off their vail at university, that again I can't see his point. Why does a lecturer need to be able to see the face of a student? In some of the campus lecture theatres, the lecturer wouldn't be able to see most of the students on the back row!"
I personally think Boris was bang on!! So, you would think it’s ok for someone to turn their back on your whilst having a conversation?? It’s down right rude!!
Slightly different however the context is there in as much as you can’t see their face!!
I believe it’s also totally oppressive and if these women actually had a choice without fear of being abused by their men/society for not wearing them, then I don’t believe for one minute they would choose to wear them!!!
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"Yes it is unreasonable.
For a start it is the personal choice of the woman if she wears a full face vail or not. It's a cultural thing. As "we" can, they should be able to wear what they want.
As for the comments about asking someone to take off their vail at university, that again I can't see his point. Why does a lecturer need to be able to see the face of a student? In some of the campus lecture theatres, the lecturer wouldn't be able to see most of the students on the back row!
I personally think Boris was bang on!! So, you would think it’s ok for someone to turn their back on your whilst having a conversation?? It’s down right rude!!
Slightly different however the context is there in as much as you can’t see their face!!
I believe it’s also totally oppressive and if these women actually had a choice without fear of being abused by their men/society for not wearing them, then I don’t believe for one minute they would choose to wear them!!!
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Not quite sure how turning your back during a conversation and wearing a burka is the same. You can see where the eyes are, so you can direct your gaze there if eye contact is important to you.
There are many interviews where women say they like wearing it. I'm not disagreeing that there aren't some women forced into wearing it, but that's a domestic violence issue, not a burka one (there are many non-muslim domestic violence victims who are told by their partners what they can and can't wear outside the house. |
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