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By *obbytupper OP Man over a year ago

Menston near Ilkley

........and who points this out to us?........none other than Alistair Campbell probably the biggest culprit.

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By *atisfy janeWoman over a year ago

Torquay

Biggest culprit for what?

What newspaper was Campbell working for?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

i don't get what all the fuss about phone-tapping is anyway.

every e-mail you send and every phone conversation is recorded just in case our rulers or betters fancy a nose.

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By *lack_BoltMan over a year ago

oxford

"i don't get what all the fuss about phone-tapping is anyway.

every e-mail you send and every phone conversation is recorded just in case our rulers or betters fancy a nose."

I think the fuss is because it was not done with the interest of national security or crimes against the state. It was a surreptitious, and illegal, abuse of power that was used to bully and hound a large number of individuals purely in the interest of making financial gain.

And before someone points out that these celebrities deserve it because they court publicity. I cannot accept any action, such as this, which violates the right of EVERY individual to have the right to privacy.

Sorry if that sounds a little pompous but celebrities are people too, and turning a blind eye to such cases gives carte blanche, to News International and others, to pursue other people in a similar fashion. Which had already begun to happen.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I buy my copy of page 3 everyday...

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"i don't get what all the fuss about phone-tapping is anyway.

every e-mail you send and every phone conversation is recorded just in case our rulers or betters fancy a nose."

Emails and phone calls are not recorded, they are _umoured to go through a system that flags up certain combinations of key words or phases to monitor for terrorist activity.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

i think i know how things work better than you my friend and we are all spied on, and not just for terrorism either.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

we are the most spied on people in the world.they know what you say,who you say it to and track you through your phone and number plate recognition camera's, i'm not even mentioning all the cctv we get captured on ....after big brother who cares what newspapers do.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"i don't get what all the fuss about phone-tapping is anyway.

every e-mail you send and every phone conversation is recorded just in case our rulers or betters fancy a nose."

Not true. Emails, text messages and phone calls are scanned for buzz words and if they contain five or more they are red-flagged and investigated. MI5 have neither the resources nor the inclination to wade through billions of messages sent every day. It's an urban myth that the govt record every single message that is sent.

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By *ooty and suuCouple over a year ago

barnsley

read the sunday sport its true honest

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By *iewMan over a year ago
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Angus & Findhorn

if you bought the crap that drove the behaviours....

you won't smell of roses....

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman over a year ago

evesham

"we are the most spied on people in the world.they know what you say,who you say it to and track you through your phone and number plate recognition camera's, i'm not even mentioning all the cctv we get captured on ....after big brother who cares what newspapers do."

If that's the case how come crime happens?? Surely if they monitor everything they can stop all the criminals in Britain???

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By *leasureDomeMan over a year ago

all over the place

"i don't get what all the fuss about phone-tapping is anyway.

every e-mail you send and every phone conversation is recorded just in case our rulers or betters fancy a nose.

The truth is wishy they do not have to since 2009 the Government announced it was pressing ahead with privately-held "Big Brother" databases which opposition leaders said amount to "state-spying" and a form of "covert surveillance" on the public.

It has done so despite its own consultation showing there was little public support for the plan.

The Home Office admitted that only a third of respondents to its six-month consultation on the issue supported its proposals, with 50 per cent fearing that the scheme lacked sufficient safeguards to protect the highly personal data from abuse.

The new law increased the amount of personal data which can be accessed by officials through the controversial Regulation of Investigatory Powers Act (RIPA), which is supposed to be used for combatting terrorism.

Although most private firms already hold details of every customer's private calls and emails for their own business purposes, most only do so on an ad hoc basis and only for a period of several months.

The new rules, known as the Intercept Modernisation Programme, will not only force communication companies to keep their records for longer, but to expand the type of data they keep to include details of every website their customers visit – effectively registering every click online.

Even that pales into insignicance compared to RAF Menwith hill operated by the NSA on British soil.Go look at questions asked in the House of commons about this place ,go look at the Massive Fibre optic pipelines going into the place,Details of which were unfortunately mistakenly released by BT and the local council under the FOI act....... pmsl.

I wish it was a "Urban Myth" but it appears that urban myth is a myth

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Let's put it to the test shall we. If I type "It'll be a blast, they won't know what hit them and it'll be fun terrorising the neighbours at the same time" (when I could be talking about an Xmas surprise for the street I live in.)

I'd hazard an educated guess that MI5 won't be barging down my front door within the next hour or so.

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By *yrdwomanWoman over a year ago

Putting the 'cum' in Eboracum

"Let's put it to the test shall we. If I type "It'll be a blast, they won't know what hit them and it'll be fun terrorising the neighbours at the same time" (when I could be talking about an Xmas surprise for the street I live in.)

I'd hazard an educated guess that MI5 won't be barging down my front door within the next hour or so.

Send us a coded message if they do!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I'd hazard an educated guess that MI5 won't be barging down my front door within the next hour or so.

Send us a coded message if they do!

The corn have ears and they're listening. Nudge Nudge.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

A shall zis only once,

"Ze blue cow flies at midnight."

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

wishy you talk some drivel mate,i know what im talking about, ive seen the police etc do things that would make your hair curl.free country...dont make me laugh.

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By *yrdwomanWoman over a year ago

Putting the 'cum' in Eboracum

"wishy you talk some drivel mate,i know what im talking about, ive seen the police etc do things that would make your hair curl.free country...dont make me laugh."

I'm always a bit confused when people talk about this being a police state. I went to Indonesia in the 90s and can honestly say that we are incredibly lucky compared to some countries. Free media, reasonably uncorrupt police and politicians (other European countries are much, much worse), and allowed to meet others without getting our front doors kicked in.

I agree that sometimes the police over react, but they tend to get found out, as did the politicians, and as are the newspapers being now. I live in York, a pretty quiet and crime free city, so I am unaware of police being nasty, but I have got to wonder what people are getting up to when they get on the wrong side of the police.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

uncorrupt police and politicians.....jobs for the boys.paying family members from the public purse, ex prime ministers making 20 million since he left office, fiddling expenses. no wonder we have the shithole country we have when people can't see what is in front of them,

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By *iewMan over a year ago
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Angus & Findhorn

so the folks who knock the police and think they are corrupt.... will never call 999 and ask for them then ?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

no,silly arguement.what you forget is the police don't work for the public,they work for the government.

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By *iewMan over a year ago
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Angus & Findhorn

I didn't forget that... I respect the police force in this country, they do a great job under difficult circumstances...

some not so good ones and they will face the same disciplinary action as any other workers doing something wrong in their company.

some shop workers thieve from within

some factory workers thieve from within

some MP's thieve from within

some dentists thieve from within.

and so and so on and so.

if you are corrupt, no matter what job you do..... you will commit the crime, do the time

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Some could do with exploring what the Information Commissioner, has to say about the surveilance society....

He holds some power, to provide...facts...

Not ramblings by people who watch to much " spooks "..

Inform and educate..the Information Commissioner will help...statements by GCHQ etc...often reluctantly...but there tis..

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

the same police you respect so much would be smacking you round the head if they were told to,remember the miners or even the newspaper seller!

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By *iewMan over a year ago
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Angus & Findhorn

"the same police you respect so much would be smacking you round the head if they were told to,remember the miners or even the newspaper seller!"

and the rioters they held back from smacking, much to the public's dismay.....

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

some swords won't sharpen!

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By *iewMan over a year ago
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Angus & Findhorn

"some swords won't sharpen!"

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"wishy you talk some drivel mate,i know what im talking about, ive seen the police etc do things that would make your hair curl.free country...dont make me laugh."

Feel free to elaborate and educate us blinkered sheep then. Or forever hold your piece.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

you don't tell me to do anything wishy

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"you don't tell me to do anything wishy "

QED.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

some swords will never sharpen.

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By *atisfy janeWoman over a year ago

Torquay

"some swords will never sharpen.

Some will though....you just need to take them to a knife and scissor sharpening specialist....

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

some are just too dull lol

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"some are just too dull lol"

But you can always use them as a tinfoil hat instead.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"some are just too dull lol"

Maybe leave it out on the front garden of a night and then the next day when that guy in his flat-backed van comes by going "Old Iron....Old Iron" with his megaphone he can pick it up and carefully pop it into the back of his van.

Then he can take it down to the town and weigh it in and turn that unwanted unsharpenable sword into cold hard cash. Ooh that's a sweet feeling.

Best bit is that the old scrap man can then set about recycling it and thus reducing the need to produce even more metals with the incumbent costs of production on the economy.

Yes that unsharpenable sword that you currently see as a bit of a dead loss can in fact be a very valuable asset.

And what irony if it was then melted down (perhaps by a craftsman the like of which we see on TV shows such as Time Team doing re-enactments) and made into a newly-sharp sword.

How sweet thy fabled sceptre!!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Anyone who says we live in a big brother society ought start the medication or READ THE FUCKING BOOK! Absolute bollox, do you realy think that govt has the resources to store, let alone read the data on the internet?

Boils my blood.....

2p....

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"wishy you talk some drivel mate,i know what im talking about, ive seen the police etc do things that would make your hair curl.free country...dont make me laugh."

Come on, really, plod couldn't arrange a drink in a brewery

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

err no.it is all there if you want to look for it.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

If he tells us and doesn't re-appear on the forums tomorrow could that lead to even more conspiracy theories????

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"If he tells us and doesn't re-appear on the forums tomorrow could that lead to even more conspiracy theories????

The pins under the fingernails will be a tell tale giveaway that the govt will have had their dastardly hands in this somewhere.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"i don't get what all the fuss about phone-tapping is anyway.

every e-mail you send and every phone conversation is recorded just in case our rulers or betters fancy a nose.

It has done so despite its own consultation showing there was little public support for the plan.

I wish it was a "Urban Myth" but it appears that urban myth is a myth

for the selective among you, here is some-one who can be bothered to educate you.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"If he tells us and doesn't re-appear on the forums tomorrow could that lead to even more conspiracy theories????

The pins under the fingernails will be a tell tale giveaway that the govt will have had their dastardly hands in this somewhere."

Wishy I hope he isn't a double agent merely planting the seeds of discontent under orders from HM government. Seeing which Fabsters agree with his tales of a secret state.

I await his tales with baited breath.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

and i bet you think the ginger 1 is royal as well lol

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By *b430Man over a year ago

Tayside

"and i bet you think the ginger 1 is royal as well lol

So Chris Evans isn't a Royal then?

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By *iewMan over a year ago
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Angus & Findhorn

"and i bet you think the ginger 1 is royal as well lol

no, one of the corrupt policeman protecting him would have stolen a DNA sample, tested it and sold it to the tabloids

or phone tapped them.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Getting a little one fucking sided isn`t it....

He`s allowed an opinion, without the mockery of his grammar....

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"If he tells us and doesn't re-appear on the forums tomorrow could that lead to even more conspiracy theories????

The pins under the fingernails will be a tell tale giveaway that the govt will have had their dastardly hands in this somewhere.

Wishy I hope he isn't a double agent merely planting the seeds of discontent under orders from HM government. Seeing which Fabsters agree with his tales of a secret state.

I await his tales with baited breath.

we get the government we deserve.after reading some of the above i know why we have the shower we have now.

meanwhile....the rich get richer and the poor get poorer,is it just a coincidence it happens like that?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

My comment was addressed to 'Big Brother'. Any one who uses the term obviously has not read the book. The fact that we are discussing the topic should indicate that we are not in Orwell's post nuclear conflict world.

I doubt 'Liverpool' would be ashamed, most of them dont know I'm here.........

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"and i bet you think the ginger 1 is royal as well lol

Although there isnt a lot of ginger in SaxeCoburgGotha.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"we get the government we deserve.after reading some of the above i know why we have the shower we have now.

meanwhile....the rich get richer and the poor get poorer,is it just a coincidence it happens like that?

So how are you involved in the system? Are you a member of any parties? Do you regularly attend it's meetings? Ever canvased? Ever stood for any position? Ever organised anything? Or do you just bitch and moan and show you desperate, deep, deep ignorance with every comment?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"we get the government we deserve.after reading some of the above i know why we have the shower we have now.

meanwhile....the rich get richer and the poor get poorer,is it just a coincidence it happens like that?

i bitch and moan from the comfort of my comfortable 4 bedroom house and wonder if i should drive my cayenne or my boxster.it's a hard life.

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By *iewMan over a year ago
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Angus & Findhorn

"we get the government we deserve.after reading some of the above i know why we have the shower we have now.

meanwhile....the rich get richer and the poor get poorer,is it just a coincidence it happens like that?

i bitch and moan from the comfort of my comfortable 4 bedroom house and wonder if i should drive my cayenne or my boxster.it's a hard life.

legos a blast eh

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"err no.it is all there if you want to look for it."

But how do I know that I've found the true goods? I could end up reading utter tripe that some poor paranoid schizophrenic has written. It starts with big brother and the Illuminati and before you know it you are into hollow earth theories and the Queen being an evil alien lizard overlord.

There's a lot of shite out there, so having an expert on here who can guide us to the truth could help a lot of people.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Back to the OP..... Much of it is schardenfrader, pleasure in the fall of the murdoch's. We do have to remember that no one realy gsve a fuck when it was celebs and politico's. This didn't kick off untill the news broke about the MacCann's.

We don't realy need any new law's we need a new regulator to make sure that the press obey the existing laws.....

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"err no.it is all there if you want to look for it.

There's a lot of shite out there, so having an expert on here who can guide us to the truth could help a lot of people."

The ILLUMINATTI were Bavarian....you know that don`t yer..

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Instead of pilloring the guy.....

See what Richard Thomas mean`t when he said Britain was " sleepwalking into a surveillance society "

He is an important establishment figure...his office, holds all of government to account, and the private sector...

The role of the Information Commissioner was created by parliament, so hardly a wacko....or crank...

As people like me, get tired of being labelled..

The Information Commissioner trys to safeguard our privacy and freedoms...

Educate, ever so slighty...

HOW WE CAN BE WATCHED

4.2m CCTV cameras

300 CCTV appearances a day

Reg plate recognition cameras

Shop RFID tags

Mobile phone triangulation

Store loyalty cards

Credit card transactions

London Oyster cards

Satellites

Electoral roll

NHS patient records

Personal video recorders

Phone-tapping

Hidden cameras/bugs

Worker call monitoring

Worker clocking-in

Mobile phone cameras

Internet cookies

Keystroke programme

The above are commonplace..

Undercover police officers infiltrating peaceful enviromental groups and falling in love ...is one example of others..

Phone hacking Milly Dowler another..

The above is FACT..

I know someone who worked in an office with a hidden camera....niiiice !!!

Those who, are further interested can start their own journey into facts..

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By *atisfy janeWoman over a year ago

Torquay

"we get the government we deserve.after reading some of the above i know why we have the shower we have now.

meanwhile....the rich get richer and the poor get poorer,is it just a coincidence it happens like that?

i bitch and moan from the comfort of my comfortable 4 bedroom house and wonder if i should drive my cayenne or my boxster.it's a hard life.

You've got to love The Sims....

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman over a year ago

evesham

"Instead of pilloring the guy.....

i dont think he is being pillored (if that is a word!! i think he is getting as good as he gives

have to say, for someone to comment that we know nothing and he knows everything gets the hackles up a bit

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Instead of pilloring the guy.....

See what Richard Thomas mean`t when he said Britain was " sleepwalking into a surveillance society "

He is an important establishment figure...his office, holds all of government to account, and the private sector...

The role of the Information Commissioner was created by parliament, so hardly a wacko....or crank...

As people like me, get tired of being labelled..

The Information Commissioner trys to safeguard our privacy and freedoms...

Educate, ever so slighty...

HOW WE CAN BE WATCHED

4.2m CCTV cameras

300 CCTV appearances a day

Reg plate recognition cameras

Shop RFID tags

Mobile phone triangulation

Store loyalty cards

Credit card transactions

London Oyster cards

Satellites

Electoral roll

NHS patient records

Personal video recorders

Phone-tapping

Hidden cameras/bugs

Worker call monitoring

Worker clocking-in

Mobile phone cameras

Internet cookies

Keystroke programme

The above are commonplace..

Undercover police officers infiltrating peaceful enviromental groups and falling in love ...is one example of others..

Phone hacking Milly Dowler another..

The above is FACT..

I know someone who worked in an office with a hidden camera....niiiice !!!

Those who, are further interested can start their own journey into facts..

too much for some to read,can you do a sound-bite

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By *iewMan over a year ago
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Angus & Findhorn

I ain't pilloried the gentleman, I just debated his claims on the police but I recognise that his _iews are as important to him as mine are to me....

it's all good

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"we get the government we deserve.after reading some of the above i know why we have the shower we have now.

meanwhile....the rich get richer and the poor get poorer,is it just a coincidence it happens like that?

i bitch and moan from the comfort of my comfortable 4 bedroom house and wonder if i should drive my cayenne or my boxster.it's a hard life.

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And yet you were complaining about the rich getting richer et al.....Looks like you will be on the wrong side of the barricades come the revolution....

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Instead of pilloring the guy.....

See what Richard Thomas mean`t when he said Britain was " sleepwalking into a surveillance society "

He is an important establishment figure...his office, holds all of government to account, and the private sector...

The role of the Information Commissioner was created by parliament, so hardly a wacko....or crank...

As people like me, get tired of being labelled..

The Information Commissioner trys to safeguard our privacy and freedoms...

Educate, ever so slighty...

HOW WE CAN BE WATCHED

4.2m CCTV cameras

300 CCTV appearances a day

Reg plate recognition cameras

Shop RFID tags

Mobile phone triangulation

Store loyalty cards

Credit card transactions

London Oyster cards

Satellites

Electoral roll

NHS patient records

Personal video recorders

Phone-tapping

Hidden cameras/bugs

Worker call monitoring

Worker clocking-in

Mobile phone cameras

Internet cookies

Keystroke programme

The above are commonplace..

Undercover police officers infiltrating peaceful enviromental groups and falling in love ...is one example of others..

Phone hacking Milly Dowler another..

The above is FACT..

I know someone who worked in an office with a hidden camera....niiiice !!!

Those who, are further interested can start their own journey into facts..

too much for some to read,can you do a sound-bite

Lol..Fair play....people mocking yer grammar, are beneath yer...keep it that way...

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"we get the government we deserve.after reading some of the above i know why we have the shower we have now.

meanwhile....the rich get richer and the poor get poorer,is it just a coincidence it happens like that?

i bitch and moan from the comfort of my comfortable 4 bedroom house and wonder if i should drive my cayenne or my boxster.it's a hard life.

The 911 is better when you can move up to it.

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman over a year ago

evesham

"we get the government we deserve.after reading some of the above i know why we have the shower we have now.

meanwhile....the rich get richer and the poor get poorer,is it just a coincidence it happens like that?

i bitch and moan from the comfort of my comfortable 4 bedroom house and wonder if i should drive my cayenne or my boxster.it's a hard life.

The 911 is better when you can move up to it.

ahhhhhh penis extensions!!!!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

911 is pointless in a city centre.the cayenne is nice and comfy in traffic tho and only cost 67k, bargain

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"err no.it is all there if you want to look for it.

There's a lot of shite out there, so having an expert on here who can guide us to the truth could help a lot of people.

The ILLUMINATTI were Bavarian....you know that don`t yer.."

You`ve gone quiet !

Wassup !!..

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"we get the government we deserve.after reading some of the above i know why we have the shower we have now.

meanwhile....the rich get richer and the poor get poorer,is it just a coincidence it happens like that?

i bitch and moan from the comfort of my comfortable 4 bedroom house and wonder if i should drive my cayenne or my boxster.it's a hard life.

And yet you were complaining about the rich getting richer et al.....Looks like you will be on the wrong side of the barricades come the revolution...."

i know exactly what side of the barricades i will be on, but.........the revolution will not be televised!

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By *iewMan over a year ago
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Angus & Findhorn

"911 is pointless in a city centre.the cayenne is nice and comfy in traffic tho and only cost 67k, bargain

Sounds fab, if you have worked hard, achieved your goals.....

that's all good in my book.

I like to celebrate success.

Bitterness and jealousy are never traits I savour.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Instead of pilloring the guy.....

See what Richard Thomas mean`t when he said Britain was " sleepwalking into a surveillance society "

He is an important establishment figure...his office, holds all of government to account, and the private sector...

The role of the Information Commissioner was created by parliament, so hardly a wacko....or crank...

As people like me, get tired of being labelled..

The Information Commissioner trys to safeguard our privacy and freedoms...

Educate, ever so slighty...

I love being educated...

HOW WE CAN BE WATCHED

4.2m CCTV cameras

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Most of which are private and the government would have to get a search warrant for each company to track you. And lost will be in central London, really affects me in Yorkshire.

300 CCTV appearances a day

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Again, depends where you are, most private so pretty much irrelevant.

Reg plate recognition cameras

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Only of use if they are tracking a particular plate.... "Oh look, Mrs Jones at No. 32 has gone for a pint of milk for her pussy"

Shop RFID tags

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You can take these out when you've bought it you know. Unless you are nicking it, it which case do it before you walk out of the shop.

Mobile phone triangulation

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Again, they can track each phone but they have scant resources so won't be actively tracing you unless they think you are up to something. You can always take the battery out.

Store loyalty cards

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Really? Dear God! the secret services know that I bought a cucumber, a 12 pack or condoms and a value size tub of lube" Bet you feel so much safer now, don't you.

Credit card transactions

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Well yeah, tracking these is kinda the point of them.

London Oyster cards

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These work in the north do they. bugger.

Satellites

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Lack of resources to do this unless you are suspected. again.

Electoral roll

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tracks where you claim to be. Not so good for finding me when I'm up a hill though, is it.

NHS patient records

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And if these weren't recorded there would be an outcry because the NHS would be even worse off than it is now.

Personal video recorders

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You mean spy-cams under clothes?

Lack of resources to do this unless you are suspected. again.

Phone-tapping

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Lack of resources to do this unless you are suspected. again.

Hidden cameras/bugs

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Lack of resources to do this unless you are suspected. again.

Worker call monitoring

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and we suddenly take a u-turn into your boss making sure you aren't slacking off. The government would still need that warrant.

Worker clocking-in

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The government would still need that warrant.

Mobile phone cameras

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Unless you do something stupid enough that someone will whip out their phone and record it and upload to youtube then this shouldn't be a problem.

Internet cookies

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piss easy to defeat.

Keystroke programme

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Lack of resources to do this unless you are suspected. again.

The above are commonplace..

The above is FACT..

I know someone who worked in an office with a hidden camera....niiiice !!!

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Put there by the government? Really?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

The ILLUMINATTI were Bavarian....you know that don`t yer..

You`ve gone quiet !

Wassup !!.."

Sorry, never read the book.

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By *atisfy janeWoman over a year ago

Torquay

The ILLUMINATTI were Bavarian....you know that don`t yer..

You`ve gone quiet !

Wassup !!..

Sorry, never read the book."

He has....in fact he has read all the Dan Brown books!.....

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By *iewMan over a year ago
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Angus & Findhorn

now we get to the point that insults are exchanged between the parties and the parties gets indignant.

now if the first rude exchange hadn't happened... the others MAY not have happened.

always detracts from a good discussion

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Instead of pilloring the guy.....

See what Richard Thomas mean`t when he said Britain was " sleepwalking into a surveillance society "

He is an important establishment figure...his office, holds all of government to account, and the private sector...

The role of the Information Commissioner was created by parliament, so hardly a wacko....or crank...

As people like me, get tired of being labelled..

The Information Commissioner trys to safeguard our privacy and freedoms...

Educate, ever so slighty...

I love being educated...

HOW WE CAN BE WATCHED

4.2m CCTV cameras

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Most of which are private and the government would have to get a search warrant for each company to track you. And lost will be in central London, really affects me in Yorkshire.

300 CCTV appearances a day

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Again, depends where you are, most private so pretty much irrelevant.

Reg plate recognition cameras

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Only of use if they are tracking a particular plate.... "Oh look, Mrs Jones at No. 32 has gone for a pint of milk for her pussy"

Shop RFID tags

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You can take these out when you've bought it you know. Unless you are nicking it, it which case do it before you walk out of the shop.

Mobile phone triangulation

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Again, they can track each phone but they have scant resources so won't be actively tracing you unless they think you are up to something. You can always take the battery out.

Store loyalty cards

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Really? Dear God! the secret services know that I bought a cucumber, a 12 pack or condoms and a value size tub of lube" Bet you feel so much safer now, don't you.

Credit card transactions

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Well yeah, tracking these is kinda the point of them.

London Oyster cards

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These work in the north do they. bugger.

Satellites

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Lack of resources to do this unless you are suspected. again.

Electoral roll

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tracks where you claim to be. Not so good for finding me when I'm up a hill though, is it.

NHS patient records

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And if these weren't recorded there would be an outcry because the NHS would be even worse off than it is now.

Personal video recorders

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You mean spy-cams under clothes?

Lack of resources to do this unless you are suspected. again.

Phone-tapping

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Lack of resources to do this unless you are suspected. again.

Hidden cameras/bugs

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Lack of resources to do this unless you are suspected. again.

Worker call monitoring

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and we suddenly take a u-turn into your boss making sure you aren't slacking off. The government would still need that warrant.

Worker clocking-in

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The government would still need that warrant.

Mobile phone cameras

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Unless you do something stupid enough that someone will whip out their phone and record it and upload to youtube then this shouldn't be a problem.

Internet cookies

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piss easy to defeat.

Keystroke programme

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Lack of resources to do this unless you are suspected. again.

The above are commonplace..

The above is FACT..

I know someone who worked in an office with a hidden camera....niiiice !!!

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Put there by the government? Really?"

Another impressive piece of critical thinking...and by inference trying to put the label of conspiracy theorist onto me...

The list came of a report by the Information Commissioner......

No...really he does exist...

So does Lockheed Martin....nope....strangely...they are on public record as well...

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

The ILLUMINATTI were Bavarian....you know that don`t yer..

You`ve gone quiet !

Wassup !!..

Sorry, never read the book.

He has....in fact he has read all the Dan Brown books!.....

You continually convince me of yer propensity fer ignorance...

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

it is no wonder we are kept under by the 1% lol. it is too easy for them

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"now we get to the point that insults are exchanged between the parties and the parties gets indignant.

now if the first rude exchange hadn't happened... the others MAY not have happened.

always detracts from a good discussion"

Agreed...and I have a superb memory....and those doing some digging....have in the past stated, it represents a loss of arguement...

I don`t mean you..

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By *atisfy janeWoman over a year ago

Torquay

The ILLUMINATTI were Bavarian....you know that don`t yer..

You`ve gone quiet !

Wassup !!..

Sorry, never read the book.

He has....in fact he has read all the Dan Brown books!.....

You continually convince me of yer propensity fer ignorance..."

And you continually convince me that you spend half of your life on here....and the other half doing research on what you are going to write on here....do you ever find time to smile?, even better have a little laugh and joke?

Lighten up a bit....

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

The ILLUMINATTI were Bavarian....you know that don`t yer..

You`ve gone quiet !

Wassup !!..

Sorry, never read the book.

He has....in fact he has read all the Dan Brown books!.....

You continually convince me of yer propensity fer ignorance...

Lighten up a bit....

I work an average of 45 hrs a week....have a very busy social life...

I`m great company..

I find yer tone snidey....mabye its just me ..

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

The ILLUMINATTI were Bavarian....you know that don`t yer..

You`ve gone quiet !

Wassup !!..

Sorry, never read the book.

He has....in fact he has read all the Dan Brown books!.....

You continually convince me of yer propensity fer ignorance..."

Please please (please!) say you haven't read all the Dan Brown books?

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By *atisfy janeWoman over a year ago

Torquay

The ILLUMINATTI were Bavarian....you know that don`t yer..

You`ve gone quiet !

Wassup !!..

Sorry, never read the book.

He has....in fact he has read all the Dan Brown books!.....

You continually convince me of yer propensity fer ignorance...

Lighten up a bit....

I work an average of 45 hrs a week....have a very busy social life...

I`m great company..

I find yer tone snidey....mabye its just me .."

A smile is a whisper of a laugh.....

Smile, it takes only 13 muscles; A frown takes 64....

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"........and who points this out to us?........none other than Alistair Campbell probably the biggest culprit.

Yeah...Labour certainly were in bed with the Murdoch`s..

I`m not sure that makes Campbell responsible fer the appalling revelations, around phone hacking...

He was brilliant at his job....presenting a _iew..doesn`t make him bad.....

Advertisers do it continously...I could never understand the fuss around spin...

Campbell, seems a nice bloke...self aware and humorous, I`m sure in my own mind he would of walked a million miles away from any hint of the scandal......I`d stand him a pint and a chat..

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

The ILLUMINATTI were Bavarian....you know that don`t yer..

You`ve gone quiet !

Wassup !!..

Sorry, never read the book.

He has....in fact he has read all the Dan Brown books!.....

You continually convince me of yer propensity fer ignorance...

Lighten up a bit....

I work an average of 45 hrs a week....have a very busy social life...

I`m great company..

I find yer tone snidey....mabye its just me ..

A smile is a whisper of a laugh.....

Smile, it takes only 13 muscles; A frown takes 64....

Seriously....sometimes life has surprised me....

People who I had a shared antipathy with, and a mutual instant dislike, ended up...being the best of my friends...sometimes you can mirror each other...

I don`t know how we are going to rub along like ....

Jane...my face is deeply furrowed with laughter lines....its draws ready smiles from strangers..I also have frown lines....mabye its balance...

Anyhow...I understand....

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Ah...dear.....

Time to leave ....

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

handbags at fifty paces boys?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

lol

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

i do own these things, i worked away for 20 years for the money.how dare you call me a liar.

you obviously do not understand who the 1% are.

check your facts before you call people.

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By *atisfy janeWoman over a year ago

Torquay

Look chaps.....the guy with the 4 bedroom house and the Two Porches (not a spelling mistake, just humour) can't prove he is telling the truth...

But then again the guy calling him a liar can't prove he is lying....

So shall we cut to the chase and decide to call a truce?

In the spirit of Christmas and all that...

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman over a year ago

evesham

"Ah...dear.....

Time to leave ...."

wow

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By *atisfy janeWoman over a year ago

Torquay

"Ah...dear.....

Time to leave ...."

You off again?

What (or who) are you coming back as next time?

I eagerly await, in the meantime keep up the research, look forward to your posts when you come back to us in a few days.

It's a bit like waiting for the new Doctor Who!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Thats proper toy throwing, that

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By *emmefataleWoman over a year ago

dirtybigbadsgirlville

"Thats proper toy throwing, that

"
I love toy throwing its an art form ya know!I prefer to flounce its more dramatic

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"i do own these things, i worked away for 20 years for the money.how dare you call me a liar.

you obviously do not understand who the 1% are.

check your facts before you call people."

I have checked my facts, I have studies economics, politics and sociology most of my life. I have worked in marketing Identifying people who are wealthy enough to own 1 sports car, let alone 2.... If you are wealthy enough to own a sports car you are in the top 10% of earners. If you own 2 you are in the top 1%........

The main beef is that you were silly enough to say we are living in 'Big Brother' world, which we patently are not and if you had read any George Orwell you would know the points he was making and know that a surveillance society is not the fascist dictatorship described in Big Brother......

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

you read but don't understand....i'm bored of you now.

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By *atisfy janeWoman over a year ago

Torquay

Tennis anyone?.....

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Tennis anyone?.....

..... aye ...... new balls!

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By *emmefataleWoman over a year ago

dirtybigbadsgirlville

"Tennis anyone?.....

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new balls please

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By *eavy Metal BallzMan over a year ago

Birmingham

"i don't get what all the fuss about phone-tapping is anyway.

every e-mail you send and every phone conversation is recorded just in case our rulers or betters fancy a nose.

Emails and phone calls are not recorded, they are _umoured to go through a system that flags up certain combinations of key words or phases to monitor for terrorist activity.

Its not a _umour, its a fact!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Look chaps.....the guy with the 4 bedroom house and the Two Porches (not a spelling mistake, just humour) can't prove he is telling the truth...

But then again the guy calling him a liar can't prove he is lying....

So shall we cut to the chase and decide to call a truce?

In the spirit of Christmas and all that...

i have no need to lie and there are people who know me on here,i do not take kindly to being called a liar by some-one who doesn't even know me.it show's ignorance.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"If he tells us and doesn't re-appear on the forums tomorrow could that lead to even more conspiracy theories????

The pins under the fingernails will be a tell tale giveaway that the govt will have had their dastardly hands in this somewhere.

Wishy I hope he isn't a double agent merely planting the seeds of discontent under orders from HM government. Seeing which Fabsters agree with his tales of a secret state.

I await his tales with baited breath.

Double agent? More like Daily Mail reader to me. Legend in his own living room.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

some town in northumberland has it's idiot

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"you read but don't understand....i'm bored of you now."

I am not calling you a liar, I am saying that you are not part of the 99%......

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

and why not,because ive got 2 car's?

you have no idea what you are talking about.

check back because you did call me a liar or inferred it.

i am very bored of you now.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Conspiracy theorists crack me up as they cannot possibly know what the truth is about anything - else it wouldn't be a conspiracy theory would it, it'd be a fact, but they defend their position like they're quoting from the Book of Revelations and ALWAYS seem to promote the notion that they are in the know about - whatever - and nobody else knows the real truth.

I just love living in total ignorance safe in the knowledge that what I don't know can't hurt me, and that I care about it even less.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"and why not,because ive got 2 car's?

you have no idea what you are talking about.

check back because you did call me a liar or inferred it.

i am very bored of you now."

Aye, he said you were either not in the 99% OR you were lying about having 2 sports cars...

You assumed he meant you were lying.

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By *rummpsMan over a year ago

thanet

"some town in northumberland has it's idiot

Interesting fact, I think someone even noted it way up this thread.

When you start getting personal and attacking someone you lose the discussion by default. Think about it..."

Aint that a fact?

_rummps x

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I think he lost it in 1972. Must be all them magic mushrooms they munched on back on those days. Don't remember it meself, was only 7 at the time.

Now now, don't cast aspersions on him.

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I just checked wikipedia search of "Income_in_the_United_Kingdom"

if you have a salary before tax of ~£150,000 you are in the top 1%.

Over to you OP...

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"and why not,because ive got 2 car's?

you have no idea what you are talking about.

check back because you did call me a liar or inferred it.

i am very bored of you now."

Yes, I did infer it. Believe me, any marketeer will be able to tell you that someone who has the money to pay the maintenance bill on two sports cars is not part of the 99%.

We expected anyone with an income over £80k would have the finds to buy a sports car outright. top 10%. These figures came from Lotus.

If you have enough money to maintain 2 cars, you don't need to be earning twice that figure but you do need to be earning over £100k, which is in the top 1% of earnings in this country.

Perhaps I took offence at your flipant remarks to my posts, my intention was not to call you a liar, but you either own these things in which case you are top 1% (even if you may not think you are) or you don't own them......

I know my facts, but can't post the relevant links for the statistical analysis of UK earnings......

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By *aucy3Couple over a year ago

glasgow

ah well,its an ill wind.

it's nice to know,the day of the serial killer is behind us.

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By *umourCouple over a year ago

Rushden

Actually, it would be easy to prove car and property ownership one way or another! Picture of both cars on the driveway of the house with the owner sat in the seat of the one nearest the house! But put on here in the next day! (by Friday night!)

Be a bit much to expect that he actually knows someone with said items, so if he could do that he proves his point!

Of course, there is no need at all to do that. It matters not one jot if he tells the truth or no. I am however another who wonders where he gets his information from on how we are spied on. If he can get that info, surely others can too and it would have been "exposed" by now?

Just imagine the mess Wikileaks would have got the UK Government into

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

so if i had 2 mg midgets your arguement would be the same...........what fool.

i'm even more bored of you now

for your information the 1% means the 1% who own 95% of the wealth...........i can assure you that isn't me.

you really should try harder.

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By *rummpsMan over a year ago

thanet

Just imagine the mess Wikileaks would have got the UK Government into

I was thinking (never a good sign) that maybe the government should start doing all these things.

Just think of the jobs it would create!

Probably keep the whole nation employed and we'd soon clear the deficit.

_rummps x

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

So the other 5% is owned by the remaining 99% which means if you're not in the top 1% you own 0.0404040404040404040404040404% of the wealth.

Which is bollocks cos I got 0.0562% of it, and a Toyota Avensis, which, as everybody knows, is just a sports car with a family built into it.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

yawn

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"yawn"

Hey. You do know it's impossible to keep yer eyes open while yawning and if you yawn in here someone's bound to slip a cock into yer mouth while yer not looking. Just thought I'd point that out.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

It's getting a little cold I've noticed, but not as cold as I would expect December to be, still it's only day one eh.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"so if i had 2 mg midgets your arguement would be the same...........what fool.

i'm even more bored of you now

for your information the 1% means the 1% who own 95% of the wealth...........i can assure you that isn't me.

you really should try harder.

According to the same wikipedia page I mentioned earlier, the top 1% by wealth (i.e. anyone who has more than ~£688,000 in assets) only have 21% of the total wealth in the UK

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By *atisfy janeWoman over a year ago

Torquay

"so if i had 2 mg midgets your arguement would be the same...........what fool.

i'm even more bored of you now

for your information the 1% means the 1% who own 95% of the wealth...........i can assure you that isn't me.

you really should try harder.

According to the same wikipedia page I mentioned earlier, the top 1% by wealth (i.e. anyone who has more than ~£688,000 in assets) only have 21% of the total wealth in the UK"

Did it mention how many sports cars they drove?

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By *atisfy janeWoman over a year ago

Torquay

"It's getting a little cold I've noticed, but not as cold as I would expect December to be, still it's only day one eh."

Bet you are glad you don't drive a soft top sports car.....bloody cold with the top down.....or two soft top sports cars even.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"It's getting a little cold I've noticed, but not as cold as I would expect December to be, still it's only day one eh.

Bet you are glad you don't drive a soft top sports car.....bloody cold with the top down.....or two soft top sports cars even.

No, I walk

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"so if i had 2 mg midgets your arguement would be the same...........what fool.

i'm even more bored of you now

for your information the 1% means the 1% who own 95% of the wealth...........i can assure you that isn't me.

you really should try harder.

According to the same wikipedia page I mentioned earlier, the top 1% by wealth (i.e. anyone who has more than ~£688,000 in assets) only have 21% of the total wealth in the UK

Did it mention how many sports cars they drove?"

lol

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By *rummpsMan over a year ago

thanet

"yawn

Hey. You do know it's impossible to keep yer eyes open while yawning and if you yawn in here someone's bound to slip a cock into yer mouth while yer not looking. Just thought I'd point that out."

Oh come 'Wishy', now your talking bollox as well! I hope its not catching.

I've just yawned and kept me eyes open.

_rummps x

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By *atisfy janeWoman over a year ago

Torquay

"It's getting a little cold I've noticed, but not as cold as I would expect December to be, still it's only day one eh.

Bet you are glad you don't drive a soft top sports car.....bloody cold with the top down.....or two soft top sports cars even.

No, I walk

That's the ultimate soft top....don't knock it!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"It's getting a little cold I've noticed, but not as cold as I would expect December to be, still it's only day one eh.

Bet you are glad you don't drive a soft top sports car.....bloody cold with the top down.....or two soft top sports cars even.

No, I walk

That's the ultimate soft top....don't knock it!"

True true, more so with being as soft in the head as I.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"so if i had 2 mg midgets your arguement would be the same...........what fool.

i'm even more bored of you now

for your information the 1% means the 1% who own 95% of the wealth...........i can assure you that isn't me.

you really should try harder.

According to the same wikipedia page I mentioned earlier, the top 1% by wealth (i.e. anyone who has more than ~£688,000 in assets) only have 21% of the total wealth in the UK

Did it mention how many sports cars they drove?

lol"

You do realise that was taking the piss out of you, don't you?

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By *rummpsMan over a year ago

thanet

"It's getting a little cold I've noticed, but not as cold as I would expect December to be, still it's only day one eh.

Bet you are glad you don't drive a soft top sports car.....bloody cold with the top down.....or two soft top sports cars even.

No, I walk

You're defo a 99%er then. bless.

_rummps x

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"It's getting a little cold I've noticed, but not as cold as I would expect December to be, still it's only day one eh.

Bet you are glad you don't drive a soft top sports car.....bloody cold with the top down.....or two soft top sports cars even.

No, I walk

You're defo a 99%er then. bless.

_rummps x"

Noooo, I'm a 1%er, I save all my cash to be so, don't waste it on travel and the likes, lol

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"yawn

Hey. You do know it's impossible to keep yer eyes open while yawning and if you yawn in here someone's bound to slip a cock into yer mouth while yer not looking. Just thought I'd point that out.

Oh come 'Wishy', now your talking bollox as well! I hope its not catching.

I've just yawned and kept me eyes open.

_rummps x

Musta been a semi. Ya can't yawn and keep yer eyes open. You ask a doctor person.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"so if i had 2 mg midgets your arguement would be the same...........what fool.

i'm even more bored of you now

for your information the 1% means the 1% who own 95% of the wealth...........i can assure you that isn't me.

you really should try harder.

According to the same wikipedia page I mentioned earlier, the top 1% by wealth (i.e. anyone who has more than ~£688,000 in assets) only have 21% of the total wealth in the UK

Did it mention how many sports cars they drove?

lol

You do realise that was taking the piss out of you, don't you?"

who cares fella, it's all bollox and my life is peachy thank you very much.

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By *eorge17Man over a year ago

Leven

"yawn

Hey. You do know it's impossible to keep yer eyes open while yawning and if you yawn in here someone's bound to slip a cock into yer mouth while yer not looking. Just thought I'd point that out.

Oh come 'Wishy', now your talking bollox as well! I hope its not catching.

I've just yawned and kept me eyes open.

_rummps x

Musta been a semi. Ya can't yawn and keep yer eyes open. You ask a doctor person.

you can't sneeze and keep your eyes open

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By *rummpsMan over a year ago

thanet

"yawn

Hey. You do know it's impossible to keep yer eyes open while yawning and if you yawn in here someone's bound to slip a cock into yer mouth while yer not looking. Just thought I'd point that out.

Oh come 'Wishy', now your talking bollox as well! I hope its not catching.

I've just yawned and kept me eyes open.

_rummps x

Musta been a semi. Ya can't yawn and keep yer eyes open. You ask a doctor person.

Now your having a laugh! A semi after reading this thread? No way, will power and matchsticks.

_rummps x

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By *odareyouMan over a year ago

not far from iceland,,,,,, tescos is nearer though :-) (near leeds)

I wish I had tourettes.. cos when I shout what the fu*k guys, no one would look at me daft...

I'm not well read, I'm not certain of the truth, I do know everyone is entitled to an opinion, and this forum allows you to voice it,,,

Now who wants to shag the one above... sorry gtrumps its not happening...

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By *rummpsMan over a year ago

thanet

" I wish I had tourettes.. cos when I shout what the fu*k guys, no one would look at me daft...

I'm not well read, I'm not certain of the truth, I do know everyone is entitled to an opinion, and this forum allows you to voice it,,,

Now who wants to shag the one above... sorry gtrumps its not happening...

You betcha buddy. You aint wrong there.

_rummps x

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"yawn

Hey. You do know it's impossible to keep yer eyes open while yawning and if you yawn in here someone's bound to slip a cock into yer mouth while yer not looking. Just thought I'd point that out.

Oh come 'Wishy', now your talking bollox as well! I hope its not catching.

I've just yawned and kept me eyes open.

_rummps x

Musta been a semi. Ya can't yawn and keep yer eyes open. You ask a doctor person.

you can't sneeze and keep your eyes open"

That too? Nature certainly knew that men love BJs and gave us a fighting chance of getting one when the wife ain't looking.

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By *ugby 123Couple over a year ago
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O o O oo

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