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"Is obesity a mental health issue the same as addiction is? Should we class those with serious weight issues as having a mental health problem and treat them for that rather than surgery such as a gastric bypass? Why as a society are we now allowing the obese to be in denial and make excuses for their weight such as a thyroid problem or medication. Yes this can cause issues, but you have to eat correctly for any condition you have. Such as diabetics have to follow a strict diet or they will die, same for those on meds that affect weight etc surely? Should we have specialised councilling to deal with the issues as to why people over eat, as over eating is linked to emotions and people believe eating will make them happy. Surely combating the root of the problem, which is a persons personal relationship and thinking towards food would then combat the obesity epidemic?" If only it was that easy, I don’t think there is one way to do it. I do think there needs to be an approach of dealing with the issues surrounding the relationship with food but unfortunately it’s a lot more complicated than that. And for many people with some conditions they can eat very healthy but still gain weight. And gastric bypass surgery isn’t the cure all for obesity, it’s a tool and still requires a lot of work and commitment from the person having it. As for it being a mental health condition, hmm it’s an addiction so I suppose if you look at it like that yes, but not so simple x | |||
"Is obesity a mental health issue the same as addiction is? Should we class those with serious weight issues as having a mental health problem and treat them for that rather than surgery such as a gastric bypass? Why as a society are we now allowing the obese to be in denial and make excuses for their weight such as a thyroid problem or medication. Yes this can cause issues, but you have to eat correctly for any condition you have. Such as diabetics have to follow a strict diet or they will die, same for those on meds that affect weight etc surely? Should we have specialised councilling to deal with the issues as to why people over eat, as over eating is linked to emotions and people believe eating will make them happy. Surely combating the root of the problem, which is a persons personal relationship and thinking towards food would then combat the obesity epidemic?" You are over-simplifying and have a very poor understanding of the situation, and a rather judgemental attitude in my opinion. There are many causes, many of which the person who becomes obese will be unaware of, so they have no way of knowing how to eat correctly. Those who are insulin resistant for instant, the No 1 cause of obesity IMO, have no way of finding out until they are more or less diabetic as there is no NHS screening or testing, and the dietary advice which currently the official line is 30 years out of date, and has actually CAUSED much of the problem!! So yes, there urgently needs to be greater support for research into ALL the causes and all the solutions, some of which will be physical and some psychological and societal, otherwise 'diabesity' will bankrupt the NHS. | |||
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"Food addiction is real!! It's a f****** hard battle that takes up most of the day every day thinking about food. I'm an addict. " But that can easily be hormonal dysregulation - google leptin resistance as well as insulin resistance, that latter of which can easily lead to a physiological carbohydrate addiction. Excess refined carbs, which the nation has been encouraged to eat for decades, can easily cause this cascade. We increasingly see these patterns very clearly in horses too though, and they have nothing to do with being fat lazy TV addicts, so there are also other factors at play IMO. | |||
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"My delightful mp made a comment a few years ago about her constituents and said “I know which of my constituents are on benefits because they’re all obese” " It's very true though - a combination of education, motivation and the relative prices of healthy and unhealthy food. | |||
"My delightful mp made a comment a few years ago about her constituents and said “I know which of my constituents are on benefits because they’re all obese” It's very true though - a combination of education, motivation and the relative prices of healthy and unhealthy food." Oh definitely I get that, it doesn’t help healthier food is a lot more expensive, food education is important, it’s great that they teach cooking in schools but they also need to educate on the nutritional side of things as well. I remember when I used my local sure start and we broached about running food classes to help local families and one mum said it was a lot cheaper to buy ready meals etc, i did try to explain about bulk cooking etc but she wasn’t having it | |||
"I have an autoimmune disease that attacks my thyroid (I can hear you all groan now) fluctuations in weight is one of the symptoms and one of the reasons why I got myself tested in the first place. . " If your insulin is high and your thyroid low it is almost impossible to lose weight short of a true starvation diet, which is unhealthy and unsustainable. Add into that leptin resistance and a carbohydrate diet giving you a constant physiological craving and you are in a nightmare scenario. | |||
"My delightful mp made a comment a few years ago about her constituents and said “I know which of my constituents are on benefits because they’re all obese” It's very true though - a combination of education, motivation and the relative prices of healthy and unhealthy food. Oh definitely I get that, it doesn’t help healthier food is a lot more expensive, food education is important, it’s great that they teach cooking in schools but they also need to educate on the nutritional side of things as well. I remember when I used my local sure start and we broached about running food classes to help local families and one mum said it was a lot cheaper to buy ready meals etc, i did try to explain about bulk cooking etc but she wasn’t having it " Sadly that is the state the UK has got itself into, high carb, high fat foods available cheaply and in some cases instantly. You walk round the suburbs of greater London and every other shop is a fast food outlet, it's criminal. You just don't see that in countries like France and guess what - far less obesity. | |||
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"It doesn’t help that supermarkets like Tesco only have fresh vegetables on offer at Christmas for 50p if they had that offer on more people would buy more " I don't think they would. Veg is cheap enough. People are TIME poor these days. Who is going to peel, chop and boil....... not many | |||
"It doesn’t help that supermarkets like Tesco only have fresh vegetables on offer at Christmas for 50p if they had that offer on more people would buy more I don't think they would. Veg is cheap enough. People are TIME poor these days. Who is going to peel, chop and boil....... not many" Not always cheap if you only have an x amount of money to live off etc. | |||
"Food addiction is real!! It's a f****** hard battle that takes up most of the day every day thinking about food. I'm an addict. But that can easily be hormonal dysregulation - google leptin resistance as well as insulin resistance, that latter of which can easily lead to a physiological carbohydrate addiction. Excess refined carbs, which the nation has been encouraged to eat for decades, can easily cause this cascade. We increasingly see these patterns very clearly in horses too though, and they have nothing to do with being fat lazy TV addicts, so there are also other factors at play IMO." I am insulin resistant (pcos), though I'm not a big carb lover. I just love all food, the look, smell, the way it feels in my mouth, mmmmmm.  and once I start I have a hard time stopping. | |||
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"It doesn’t help that supermarkets like Tesco only have fresh vegetables on offer at Christmas for 50p if they had that offer on more people would buy more I don't think they would. Veg is cheap enough. People are TIME poor these days. Who is going to peel, chop and boil....... not many Not always cheap if you only have an x amount of money to live off etc." Veg isn't filling and doesn't have enough calories on there own. Sugar is the big problem when you're depressed. | |||
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"It's very rare that people judge me for my thyroid condition. Well done OP. "Some people don't understand how different bodies work differently with the food they get. | |||
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"It's very rare that people judge me for my thyroid condition. Well done OP. "It’s very shitty. I have no excuses for my size, however I’m doing something about it and am down a stone already. But what I hate when speaking about weight with people and mentioning my own is their patronising “Do you have a thyroid or a medical problem” comments, maybe it’s just me but from some it’s as if they’re trying to take the piss. Many people do have medical issues, some of us have simply been lazy with our eating and like me used to have a full time job and didn’t eat properly and then it builds up. It’s only when I went self employed did I really take it on board! There is no one single reason for obesity. | |||
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"It's very rare that people judge me for my thyroid condition. Well done OP.
Some people don't understand how different bodies work differently with the food they get."Mine is just straight up genetic. There's nothing I can do about it at all, my thyroid is just stuffed. Normally I get told it's a "real" medical issue unlike all those fake crybaby ones (I don't approve of that either). | |||
"Whilst I'm sure your comment was well intentioned, my question would be this. Where are the funds for or personnel for a counselling service to be found. Mental health support in the UK has been cut and cut and cut until the whole system is on the bones of it's arse, without the extra workload this would create." They found a lot of money to support people with their smoking addiction. Money can be found if they want to do it. | |||
"Is obesity a mental health issue the same as addiction is? Should we class those with serious weight issues as having a mental health problem and treat them for that rather than surgery such as a gastric bypass? Why as a society are we now allowing the obese to be in denial and make excuses for their weight such as a thyroid problem or medication. Yes this can cause issues, but you have to eat correctly for any condition you have. Such as diabetics have to follow a strict diet or they will die, same for those on meds that affect weight etc surely? Should we have specialised councilling to deal with the issues as to why people over eat, as over eating is linked to emotions and people believe eating will make them happy. Surely combating the root of the problem, which is a persons personal relationship and thinking towards food would then combat the obesity epidemic? You are over-simplifying and have a very poor understanding of the situation, and a rather judgemental attitude in my opinion. There are many causes, many of which the person who becomes obese will be unaware of, so they have no way of knowing how to eat correctly. Those who are insulin resistant for instant, the No 1 cause of obesity IMO, have no way of finding out until they are more or less diabetic as there is no NHS screening or testing, and the dietary advice which currently the official line is 30 years out of date, and has actually CAUSED much of the problem!! So yes, there urgently needs to be greater support for research into ALL the causes and all the solutions, some of which will be physical and some psychological and societal, otherwise 'diabesity' will bankrupt the NHS." Im pretty sure as someone who has insulin resistance and has lost 12 stone from my heaviest, i have an absoloute insight into it thank you | |||
"It's very rare that people judge me for my thyroid condition. Well done OP.
Some people don't understand how different bodies work differently with the food they get.
Mine is just straight up genetic. There's nothing I can do about it at all, my thyroid is just stuffed. Normally I get told it's a "real" medical issue unlike all those fake crybaby ones (I don't approve of that either). "Why can you not get treatment for your thyroid condition? | |||
"The first step is to regulate fast food industries, surely. Way too much money in that though. Tackle it the same way smoking is tackled, on the front of every McDonald's happy meal or Dominoes pizza box should be a fucked up heart or stomach and just lumps of fat saying WARNING etc etc. People will just continue to get fatter though, especially considering conditions like depression and anxiety are surging. As someone who has been fat their whole adult life I personally feel its a real real uphill struggle." The sugar content in food is outrageous and unnecessary. You can advocate people making healthier choices and you can pump all the money you want into PE in schools and labelling and whatever else but the fact is we have very little control over what these large companies put in our food. We don’t need it in there but they put it in. They should be taxed not us but the Government doesn’t want to do that they would rather put a chocolate bar up by a few pence. It’s a bit a nonsense really. | |||
"It's very rare that people judge me for my thyroid condition. Well done OP.
Some people don't understand how different bodies work differently with the food they get.
Mine is just straight up genetic. There's nothing I can do about it at all, my thyroid is just stuffed. Normally I get told it's a "real" medical issue unlike all those fake crybaby ones (I don't approve of that either).
Why can you not get treatment for your thyroid condition?"I have treatment, but it doesn't make it go away or cure it. (it reduces symptoms only) I phrased it badly, sorry. I was more reacting to the idea that it's another excuse. My thyroid is as it is, I can't make it better. I take levothyroxine, and that's all I can do. It's a contributing factor to my weight, along with other things. Everyone has, as it were, different crosses to bear. | |||
"Is obesity a mental health issue the same as addiction is? Should we class those with serious weight issues as having a mental health problem and treat them for that rather than surgery such as a gastric bypass? Why as a society are we now allowing the obese to be in denial and make excuses for their weight such as a thyroid problem or medication. Yes this can cause issues, but you have to eat correctly for any condition you have. Such as diabetics have to follow a strict diet or they will die, same for those on meds that affect weight etc surely? Should we have specialised councilling to deal with the issues as to why people over eat, as over eating is linked to emotions and people believe eating will make them happy. Surely combating the root of the problem, which is a persons personal relationship and thinking towards food would then combat the obesity epidemic? You are over-simplifying and have a very poor understanding of the situation, and a rather judgemental attitude in my opinion. There are many causes, many of which the person who becomes obese will be unaware of, so they have no way of knowing how to eat correctly. Those who are insulin resistant for instant, the No 1 cause of obesity IMO, have no way of finding out until they are more or less diabetic as there is no NHS screening or testing, and the dietary advice which currently the official line is 30 years out of date, and has actually CAUSED much of the problem!! So yes, there urgently needs to be greater support for research into ALL the causes and all the solutions, some of which will be physical and some psychological and societal, otherwise 'diabesity' will bankrupt the NHS. Im pretty sure as someone who has insulin resistance and has lost 12 stone from my heaviest, i have an absoloute insight into it thank you" So why are you showing ignorance and judgementalism towards others who are not yet diagnosed, or lack understanding or the correct treatment for their condition?? Did you have mental health issues as a root cause of your obesity, or did you just overeat through laziness and ignorance? | |||
"Whilst I'm sure your comment was well intentioned, my question would be this. Where are the funds for or personnel for a counselling service to be found. Mental health support in the UK has been cut and cut and cut until the whole system is on the bones of it's arse, without the extra workload this would create." People pay for things like weight watchers.. my thinking is these services should be more about changing peoples thinking than telling them what to eat | |||
"The first step is to regulate fast food industries, surely. Way too much money in that though. Tackle it the same way smoking is tackled, on the front of every McDonald's happy meal or Dominoes pizza box should be a fucked up heart or stomach and just lumps of fat saying WARNING etc etc. People will just continue to get fatter though, especially considering conditions like depression and anxiety are surging. As someone who has been fat their whole adult life I personally feel its a real real uphill struggle. The sugar content in food is outrageous and unnecessary. You can advocate people making healthier choices and you can pump all the money you want into PE in schools and labelling and whatever else but the fact is we have very little control over what these large companies put in our food. We don’t need it in there but they put it in. They should be taxed not us but the Government doesn’t want to do that they would rather put a chocolate bar up by a few pence. It’s a bit a nonsense really. " Government isn't really to blame, these corporations are incredibly powerful. We are all complicit really. | |||
"It's very rare that people judge me for my thyroid condition. Well done OP.
Some people don't understand how different bodies work differently with the food they get.
Mine is just straight up genetic. There's nothing I can do about it at all, my thyroid is just stuffed. Normally I get told it's a "real" medical issue unlike all those fake crybaby ones (I don't approve of that either).
Why can you not get treatment for your thyroid condition?
I have treatment, but it doesn't make it go away or cure it. (it reduces symptoms only) I phrased it badly, sorry. I was more reacting to the idea that it's another excuse. My thyroid is as it is, I can't make it better. I take levothyroxine, and that's all I can do.
. "Ok I see what you are saying. You might like to investigate T3 therapy, T4 is not effective for a percentage of people. | |||
"The first step is to regulate fast food industries, surely. Way too much money in that though. Tackle it the same way smoking is tackled, on the front of every McDonald's happy meal or Dominoes pizza box should be a fucked up heart or stomach and just lumps of fat saying WARNING etc etc. People will just continue to get fatter though, especially considering conditions like depression and anxiety are surging. As someone who has been fat their whole adult life I personally feel its a real real uphill struggle. The sugar content in food is outrageous and unnecessary. You can advocate people making healthier choices and you can pump all the money you want into PE in schools and labelling and whatever else but the fact is we have very little control over what these large companies put in our food. We don’t need it in there but they put it in. They should be taxed not us but the Government doesn’t want to do that they would rather put a chocolate bar up by a few pence. It’s a bit a nonsense really. Government isn't really to blame, these corporations are incredibly powerful. We are all complicit really." How about we blame people and people take responsibility for what they put in their bodies | |||
"The first step is to regulate fast food industries, surely. Way too much money in that though. Tackle it the same way smoking is tackled, on the front of every McDonald's happy meal or Dominoes pizza box should be a fucked up heart or stomach and just lumps of fat saying WARNING etc etc. People will just continue to get fatter though, especially considering conditions like depression and anxiety are surging. As someone who has been fat their whole adult life I personally feel its a real real uphill struggle. The sugar content in food is outrageous and unnecessary. You can advocate people making healthier choices and you can pump all the money you want into PE in schools and labelling and whatever else but the fact is we have very little control over what these large companies put in our food. We don’t need it in there but they put it in. They should be taxed not us but the Government doesn’t want to do that they would rather put a chocolate bar up by a few pence. It’s a bit a nonsense really. Government isn't really to blame, these corporations are incredibly powerful. We are all complicit really. How about we blame people and people take responsibility for what they put in their bodies "Knobs do that all the time anyway. | |||
"It's very rare that people judge me for my thyroid condition. Well done OP.
Some people don't understand how different bodies work differently with the food they get.
Mine is just straight up genetic. There's nothing I can do about it at all, my thyroid is just stuffed. Normally I get told it's a "real" medical issue unlike all those fake crybaby ones (I don't approve of that either). "I have insulin resistance and have learnt to eat in a way my body best deals with it. Same with thyroid problems, diabetes etc.. its a sad fact that some can eat as they want and not gain weight as their body deals with the energy well.. othets have conditions that you have to eat carefully and accept that fact | |||
"The first step is to regulate fast food industries, surely. Way too much money in that though. Tackle it the same way smoking is tackled, on the front of every McDonald's happy meal or Dominoes pizza box should be a fucked up heart or stomach and just lumps of fat saying WARNING etc etc. People will just continue to get fatter though, especially considering conditions like depression and anxiety are surging. As someone who has been fat their whole adult life I personally feel its a real real uphill struggle. The sugar content in food is outrageous and unnecessary. You can advocate people making healthier choices and you can pump all the money you want into PE in schools and labelling and whatever else but the fact is we have very little control over what these large companies put in our food. We don’t need it in there but they put it in. They should be taxed not us but the Government doesn’t want to do that they would rather put a chocolate bar up by a few pence. It’s a bit a nonsense really. Government isn't really to blame, these corporations are incredibly powerful. We are all complicit really. How about we blame people and people take responsibility for what they put in their bodies
Knobs do that all the time anyway." 
It's always an ignorant young man who makes that comment. | |||
"The first step is to regulate fast food industries, surely. Way too much money in that though. Tackle it the same way smoking is tackled, on the front of every McDonald's happy meal or Dominoes pizza box should be a fucked up heart or stomach and just lumps of fat saying WARNING etc etc. People will just continue to get fatter though, especially considering conditions like depression and anxiety are surging. As someone who has been fat their whole adult life I personally feel its a real real uphill struggle. The sugar content in food is outrageous and unnecessary. You can advocate people making healthier choices and you can pump all the money you want into PE in schools and labelling and whatever else but the fact is we have very little control over what these large companies put in our food. We don’t need it in there but they put it in. They should be taxed not us but the Government doesn’t want to do that they would rather put a chocolate bar up by a few pence. It’s a bit a nonsense really. Government isn't really to blame, these corporations are incredibly powerful. We are all complicit really. How about we blame people and people take responsibility for what they put in their bodies
Knobs do that all the time anyway."Dude, you are next level  | |||
"Is obesity a mental health issue the same as addiction is? Should we class those with serious weight issues as having a mental health problem and treat them for that rather than surgery such as a gastric bypass? Why as a society are we now allowing the obese to be in denial and make excuses for their weight such as a thyroid problem or medication. Yes this can cause issues, but you have to eat correctly for any condition you have. Such as diabetics have to follow a strict diet or they will die, same for those on meds that affect weight etc surely? Should we have specialised councilling to deal with the issues as to why people over eat, as over eating is linked to emotions and people believe eating will make them happy. Surely combating the root of the problem, which is a persons personal relationship and thinking towards food would then combat the obesity epidemic? You are over-simplifying and have a very poor understanding of the situation, and a rather judgemental attitude in my opinion. There are many causes, many of which the person who becomes obese will be unaware of, so they have no way of knowing how to eat correctly. Those who are insulin resistant for instant, the No 1 cause of obesity IMO, have no way of finding out until they are more or less diabetic as there is no NHS screening or testing, and the dietary advice which currently the official line is 30 years out of date, and has actually CAUSED much of the problem!! So yes, there urgently needs to be greater support for research into ALL the causes and all the solutions, some of which will be physical and some psychological and societal, otherwise 'diabesity' will bankrupt the NHS. Im pretty sure as someone who has insulin resistance and has lost 12 stone from my heaviest, i have an absoloute insight into it thank you So why are you showing ignorance and judgementalism towards others who are not yet diagnosed, or lack understanding or the correct treatment for their condition?? Did you have mental health issues as a root cause of your obesity, or did you just overeat through laziness and ignorance?" Absolutely agree. It’s to be expected from those whoever never been in such position but from someone who claims they have, it’s shocking. | |||
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"The first step is to regulate fast food industries, surely. Way too much money in that though. Tackle it the same way smoking is tackled, on the front of every McDonald's happy meal or Dominoes pizza box should be a fucked up heart or stomach and just lumps of fat saying WARNING etc etc. People will just continue to get fatter though, especially considering conditions like depression and anxiety are surging. As someone who has been fat their whole adult life I personally feel its a real real uphill struggle. The sugar content in food is outrageous and unnecessary. You can advocate people making healthier choices and you can pump all the money you want into PE in schools and labelling and whatever else but the fact is we have very little control over what these large companies put in our food. We don’t need it in there but they put it in. They should be taxed not us but the Government doesn’t want to do that they would rather put a chocolate bar up by a few pence. It’s a bit a nonsense really. Government isn't really to blame, these corporations are incredibly powerful. We are all complicit really. How about we blame people and people take responsibility for what they put in their bodies
Knobs do that all the time anyway.
Dude, you are next level "I don't even know what that means sorry.  | |||
"It's very rare that people judge me for my thyroid condition. Well done OP.
Some people don't understand how different bodies work differently with the food they get.
Mine is just straight up genetic. There's nothing I can do about it at all, my thyroid is just stuffed. Normally I get told it's a "real" medical issue unlike all those fake crybaby ones (I don't approve of that either).
Why can you not get treatment for your thyroid condition?
I have treatment, but it doesn't make it go away or cure it. (it reduces symptoms only) I phrased it badly, sorry. I was more reacting to the idea that it's another excuse. My thyroid is as it is, I can't make it better. I take levothyroxine, and that's all I can do.
It's a contributing factor to my weight, along with other things. Everyone has, as it were, different crosses to bear. "I have been taking thyroxine for 26 years. I have to say that I'm one of the fortunate people for whom it treats most of the symptoms. I do know that it isn't that straight forward for others with hypothyroidism. Have you seen a general practitioner specialist as a consultant or asked you gp why the dose you're on doesn't have all your symptoms under control? I get carpal tunnel syndrome sometimes and if my dose is too high symptoms of hyperthyroidism, which is very unpleasant. | |||
"It's very rare that people judge me for my thyroid condition. Well done OP.
Some people don't understand how different bodies work differently with the food they get.
Mine is just straight up genetic. There's nothing I can do about it at all, my thyroid is just stuffed. Normally I get told it's a "real" medical issue unlike all those fake crybaby ones (I don't approve of that either).
I have insulin resistance and have learnt to eat in a way my body best deals with it.
Same with thyroid problems, diabetes etc.. its a sad fact that some can eat as they want and not gain weight as their body deals with the energy well.. othets have conditions that you have to eat carefully and accept that fact"Indeed, but you can eat as carefully as you want, if your insulin resistance or hypothyroidism is not properly controlled you will be on a hiding to nothing. I am astonished you understand one condition and judge others through ignorance of the other!! Take the plank out of your own eye! | |||
"The first step is to regulate fast food industries, surely. Way too much money in that though. Tackle it the same way smoking is tackled, on the front of every McDonald's happy meal or Dominoes pizza box should be a fucked up heart or stomach and just lumps of fat saying WARNING etc etc. People will just continue to get fatter though, especially considering conditions like depression and anxiety are surging. As someone who has been fat their whole adult life I personally feel its a real real uphill struggle. The sugar content in food is outrageous and unnecessary. You can advocate people making healthier choices and you can pump all the money you want into PE in schools and labelling and whatever else but the fact is we have very little control over what these large companies put in our food. We don’t need it in there but they put it in. They should be taxed not us but the Government doesn’t want to do that they would rather put a chocolate bar up by a few pence. It’s a bit a nonsense really. Government isn't really to blame, these corporations are incredibly powerful. We are all complicit really." I disagree. If it isn’t in the food you can’t have it. It’s very simple. Obesity isn’t ever going to be solved purely by eating les and moving more. Way too simplistic and doesn’t cover the vast majority of reasons why people are obese. Rarely is it just about food. Other addictions like drugs, alcoholism, smoking are treated far more sympathetically and money has been found to support it. If your addiction is food you are ridiculed, judged, belittled and told to crack on with a diet sheet and a walk, dismissing the fact that you have to be face to face with your addiction three times a day. It’s far easier these days to condemn than support. | |||
"The first step is to regulate fast food industries, surely. Way too much money in that though. Tackle it the same way smoking is tackled, on the front of every McDonald's happy meal or Dominoes pizza box should be a fucked up heart or stomach and just lumps of fat saying WARNING etc etc. People will just continue to get fatter though, especially considering conditions like depression and anxiety are surging. As someone who has been fat their whole adult life I personally feel its a real real uphill struggle. The sugar content in food is outrageous and unnecessary. You can advocate people making healthier choices and you can pump all the money you want into PE in schools and labelling and whatever else but the fact is we have very little control over what these large companies put in our food. We don’t need it in there but they put it in. They should be taxed not us but the Government doesn’t want to do that they would rather put a chocolate bar up by a few pence. It’s a bit a nonsense really. Government isn't really to blame, these corporations are incredibly powerful. We are all complicit really. I disagree. If it isn’t in the food you can’t have it. It’s very simple. Obesity isn’t ever going to be solved purely by eating les and moving more. Way too simplistic and doesn’t cover the vast majority of reasons why people are obese. Rarely is it just about food. Other addictions like drugs, alcoholism, smoking are treated far more sympathetically and money has been found to support it. If your addiction is food you are ridiculed, judged, belittled and told to crack on with a diet sheet and a walk, dismissing the fact that you have to be face to face with your addiction three times a day. It’s far easier these days to condemn than support. " Well, in the sense we actually buy the food and eat and don't care about the effects, we are complicit. With enough willpower you can really get healthy but you are struggling against physical, mental, economical and social barriers. It's just human nature really I suppose I don't know. | |||
"Is obesity a mental health issue the same as addiction is? Should we class those with serious weight issues as having a mental health problem and treat them for that rather than surgery such as a gastric bypass? Why as a society are we now allowing the obese to be in denial and make excuses for their weight such as a thyroid problem or medication. Yes this can cause issues, but you have to eat correctly for any condition you have. Such as diabetics have to follow a strict diet or they will die, same for those on meds that affect weight etc surely? Should we have specialised councilling to deal with the issues as to why people over eat, as over eating is linked to emotions and people believe eating will make them happy. Surely combating the root of the problem, which is a persons personal relationship and thinking towards food would then combat the obesity epidemic? You are over-simplifying and have a very poor understanding of the situation, and a rather judgemental attitude in my opinion. There are many causes, many of which the person who becomes obese will be unaware of, so they have no way of knowing how to eat correctly. Those who are insulin resistant for instant, the No 1 cause of obesity IMO, have no way of finding out until they are more or less diabetic as there is no NHS screening or testing, and the dietary advice which currently the official line is 30 years out of date, and has actually CAUSED much of the problem!! So yes, there urgently needs to be greater support for research into ALL the causes and all the solutions, some of which will be physical and some psychological and societal, otherwise 'diabesity' will bankrupt the NHS. Im pretty sure as someone who has insulin resistance and has lost 12 stone from my heaviest, i have an absoloute insight into it thank you So why are you showing ignorance and judgementalism towards others who are not yet diagnosed, or lack understanding or the correct treatment for their condition?? Did you have mental health issues as a root cause of your obesity, or did you just overeat through laziness and ignorance?" Wow how am i being judgemental.. i knew this would be a touchy subject to some. Yes my transformation has come from changing my attitude towards food.. i dont see sweet sugary things or fatty things as a treat or a social thing. I dont see it as comfort eating. I still obsess over food and enjoy it, but now i love the nutrition it provides me. The goodness im feeding my body. All i hear from those who want to loose weight is how they deserve a treat etc.. so all im saying is surely a key to change is to see food for the nutrition it gives you and love food for that reason, for the health it provides | |||
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"The first step is to regulate fast food industries, surely. Way too much money in that though. Tackle it the same way smoking is tackled, on the front of every McDonald's happy meal or Dominoes pizza box should be a fucked up heart or stomach and just lumps of fat saying WARNING etc etc. People will just continue to get fatter though, especially considering conditions like depression and anxiety are surging. As someone who has been fat their whole adult life I personally feel its a real real uphill struggle. The sugar content in food is outrageous and unnecessary. You can advocate people making healthier choices and you can pump all the money you want into PE in schools and labelling and whatever else but the fact is we have very little control over what these large companies put in our food. We don’t need it in there but they put it in. They should be taxed not us but the Government doesn’t want to do that they would rather put a chocolate bar up by a few pence. It’s a bit a nonsense really. Government isn't really to blame, these corporations are incredibly powerful. We are all complicit really. I disagree. If it isn’t in the food you can’t have it. It’s very simple. Obesity isn’t ever going to be solved purely by eating les and moving more. Way too simplistic and doesn’t cover the vast majority of reasons why people are obese. Rarely is it just about food. Other addictions like drugs, alcoholism, smoking are treated far more sympathetically and money has been found to support it. If your addiction is food you are ridiculed, judged, belittled and told to crack on with a diet sheet and a walk, dismissing the fact that you have to be face to face with your addiction three times a day. It’s far easier these days to condemn than support. " That is exactly my point. Everyone is individual in their relationship towards food and i think the way to tackle it is to get to the route of the thinking towards food otherwise youre just teying to put a plaster over a broken bone. I also dont think this whole embracing your body and curves helps.. | |||
"It's very rare that people judge me for my thyroid condition. Well done OP.
Some people don't understand how different bodies work differently with the food they get.
Mine is just straight up genetic. There's nothing I can do about it at all, my thyroid is just stuffed. Normally I get told it's a "real" medical issue unlike all those fake crybaby ones (I don't approve of that either).
I have insulin resistance and have learnt to eat in a way my body best deals with it.
Same with thyroid problems, diabetes etc.. its a sad fact that some can eat as they want and not gain weight as their body deals with the energy well.. othets have conditions that you have to eat carefully and accept that fact
Indeed, but you can eat as carefully as you want, if your insulin resistance or hypothyroidism is not properly controlled you will be on a hiding to nothing. I am astonished you understand one condition and judge others through ignorance of the other!! Take the plank out of your own eye!"Huh? That makes no sense. No matter what condition you have if it causes weight problems it is because you are eating incorrectly. Many people all over the world have these conditions, but many other countries dont have an obesity epidemic. Why? Cos they dont have access to so much fat and sugary foods, they have better attitudes towards food | |||
"My mum is type 2 diabetic and is having issues with her kidneys atm (she tried to blame the dr for the side effects from medication) but she let herself get in the trouble she is in atm as this is a woman who chooses smoking over eating pretty much 80% of the time " So the issue is addiction, a mental health issue | |||
"Is obesity a mental health issue the same as addiction is? Should we class those with serious weight issues as having a mental health problem and treat them for that rather than surgery such as a gastric bypass? Why as a society are we now allowing the obese to be in denial and make excuses for their weight such as a thyroid problem or medication. Yes this can cause issues, but you have to eat correctly for any condition you have. Such as diabetics have to follow a strict diet or they will die, same for those on meds that affect weight etc surely? Should we have specialised councilling to deal with the issues as to why people over eat, as over eating is linked to emotions and people believe eating will make them happy. Surely combating the root of the problem, which is a persons personal relationship and thinking towards food would then combat the obesity epidemic? You are over-simplifying and have a very poor understanding of the situation, and a rather judgemental attitude in my opinion. There are many causes, many of which the person who becomes obese will be unaware of, so they have no way of knowing how to eat correctly. Those who are insulin resistant for instant, the No 1 cause of obesity IMO, have no way of finding out until they are more or less diabetic as there is no NHS screening or testing, and the dietary advice which currently the official line is 30 years out of date, and has actually CAUSED much of the problem!! So yes, there urgently needs to be greater support for research into ALL the causes and all the solutions, some of which will be physical and some psychological and societal, otherwise 'diabesity' will bankrupt the NHS. Im pretty sure as someone who has insulin resistance and has lost 12 stone from my heaviest, i have an absoloute insight into it thank you So why are you showing ignorance and judgementalism towards others who are not yet diagnosed, or lack understanding or the correct treatment for their condition?? Did you have mental health issues as a root cause of your obesity, or did you just overeat through laziness and ignorance? Absolutely agree. It’s to be expected from those whoever never been in such position but from someone who claims they have, it’s shocking. " Claims they have?? I can show you pics through out my life where i have been obese. :/ or maybe my saggy belly, arms etc.. ive been in denial myself and understand why some people get so offended with the mention of obesity | |||
"My mum is type 2 diabetic and is having issues with her kidneys atm (she tried to blame the dr for the side effects from medication) but she let herself get in the trouble she is in atm as this is a woman who chooses smoking over eating pretty much 80% of the time So the issue is addiction, a mental health issue" She’s always been a heavy smoker for as long as I can remember | |||
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"It's very rare that people judge me for my thyroid condition. Well done OP.
Some people don't understand how different bodies work differently with the food they get.
Mine is just straight up genetic. There's nothing I can do about it at all, my thyroid is just stuffed. Normally I get told it's a "real" medical issue unlike all those fake crybaby ones (I don't approve of that either).
Why can you not get treatment for your thyroid condition?
I have treatment, but it doesn't make it go away or cure it. (it reduces symptoms only) I phrased it badly, sorry. I was more reacting to the idea that it's another excuse. My thyroid is as it is, I can't make it better. I take levothyroxine, and that's all I can do.
It's a contributing factor to my weight, along with other things. Everyone has, as it were, different crosses to bear.
I have been taking thyroxine for 26 years. I have to say that I'm one of the fortunate people for whom it treats most of the symptoms. I do know that it isn't that straight forward for others with hypothyroidism. Have you seen a general practitioner specialist as a consultant or asked you gp why the dose you're on doesn't have all your symptoms under control?
I get carpal tunnel syndrome sometimes and if my dose is too high symptoms of hyperthyroidism, which is very unpleasant."My weight is multi-factorial, I guess. I don't know how much is my thyroid and how much is other medical issues I have (I'm medically interesting, it's a curse). I take my meds, follow the recommendations, keep myself educated to the best of my abilities on diet and my conditions, go to the gym, keep myself otherwise physically active as best I can, get private treatment for some things where NHS offerings were slim or didn't help me, blah blah blah... But ultimately I'm fat, so I must be lazy and stupid, according to some (not you Nice Couple). | |||
"Is obesity a mental health issue the same as addiction is? Should we class those with serious weight issues as having a mental health problem and treat them for that rather than surgery such as a gastric bypass? Why as a society are we now allowing the obese to be in denial and make excuses for their weight such as a thyroid problem or medication. Yes this can cause issues, but you have to eat correctly for any condition you have. Such as diabetics have to follow a strict diet or they will die, same for those on meds that affect weight etc surely? Should we have specialised councilling to deal with the issues as to why people over eat, as over eating is linked to emotions and people believe eating will make them happy. Surely combating the root of the problem, which is a persons personal relationship and thinking towards food would then combat the obesity epidemic? You are over-simplifying and have a very poor understanding of the situation, and a rather judgemental attitude in my opinion. There are many causes, many of which the person who becomes obese will be unaware of, so they have no way of knowing how to eat correctly. Those who are insulin resistant for instant, the No 1 cause of obesity IMO, have no way of finding out until they are more or less diabetic as there is no NHS screening or testing, and the dietary advice which currently the official line is 30 years out of date, and has actually CAUSED much of the problem!! So yes, there urgently needs to be greater support for research into ALL the causes and all the solutions, some of which will be physical and some psychological and societal, otherwise 'diabesity' will bankrupt the NHS. Im pretty sure as someone who has insulin resistance and has lost 12 stone from my heaviest, i have an absoloute insight into it thank you So why are you showing ignorance and judgementalism towards others who are not yet diagnosed, or lack understanding or the correct treatment for their condition?? Did you have mental health issues as a root cause of your obesity, or did you just overeat through laziness and ignorance? Absolutely agree. It’s to be expected from those whoever never been in such position but from someone who claims they have, it’s shocking. Claims they have?? I can show you pics through out my life where i have been obese. :/ or maybe my saggy belly, arms etc.. ive been in denial myself and understand why some people get so offended with the mention of obesity" I’m not that interested. Thanks but no thanks. No offence taken here, however your comments are judgemental and do not take into consideration different people with different conditions. You seem to think there is one way of dealing with obesity, that’s very ignorant. | |||
"My mum is type 2 diabetic and is having issues with her kidneys atm (she tried to blame the dr for the side effects from medication) but she let herself get in the trouble she is in atm as this is a woman who chooses smoking over eating pretty much 80% of the time So the issue is addiction, a mental health issue She’s always been a heavy smoker for as long as I can remember " Addiction is mind set. I smoke. I realise i do cos its habit and also i associate relaxing and destressing with smoking. Addiction, whatever it is, is about changing peoples thinking towards their addiction. So for me its finding better ways to associate with relaxing and destressing.. its not an overnight thing | |||
"It's like a rich person telling a poor person to manage their finances better. " Very very true. And even if that rich person was once poor not everyone has been through the exact same experience as you, so telling them how you did it, may not work for them. | |||
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"Is obesity a mental health issue the same as addiction is? Should we class those with serious weight issues as having a mental health problem and treat them for that rather than surgery such as a gastric bypass? Why as a society are we now allowing the obese to be in denial and make excuses for their weight such as a thyroid problem or medication. Yes this can cause issues, but you have to eat correctly for any condition you have. Such as diabetics have to follow a strict diet or they will die, same for those on meds that affect weight etc surely? Should we have specialised councilling to deal with the issues as to why people over eat, as over eating is linked to emotions and people believe eating will make them happy. Surely combating the root of the problem, which is a persons personal relationship and thinking towards food would then combat the obesity epidemic? You are over-simplifying and have a very poor understanding of the situation, and a rather judgemental attitude in my opinion. There are many causes, many of which the person who becomes obese will be unaware of, so they have no way of knowing how to eat correctly. Those who are insulin resistant for instant, the No 1 cause of obesity IMO, have no way of finding out until they are more or less diabetic as there is no NHS screening or testing, and the dietary advice which currently the official line is 30 years out of date, and has actually CAUSED much of the problem!! So yes, there urgently needs to be greater support for research into ALL the causes and all the solutions, some of which will be physical and some psychological and societal, otherwise 'diabesity' will bankrupt the NHS. Im pretty sure as someone who has insulin resistance and has lost 12 stone from my heaviest, i have an absoloute insight into it thank you So why are you showing ignorance and judgementalism towards others who are not yet diagnosed, or lack understanding or the correct treatment for their condition?? Did you have mental health issues as a root cause of your obesity, or did you just overeat through laziness and ignorance? Wow how am i being judgemental.. " "make excuses for their weight such as a thyroid problem or medication" So you had no excuse, you just overate. But others have a real problem with medication, or understanding of their condition, or lack of either. | |||
"Is obesity a mental health issue the same as addiction is? Should we class those with serious weight issues as having a mental health problem and treat them for that rather than surgery such as a gastric bypass? Why as a society are we now allowing the obese to be in denial and make excuses for their weight such as a thyroid problem or medication. Yes this can cause issues, but you have to eat correctly for any condition you have. Such as diabetics have to follow a strict diet or they will die, same for those on meds that affect weight etc surely? Should we have specialised councilling to deal with the issues as to why people over eat, as over eating is linked to emotions and people believe eating will make them happy. Surely combating the root of the problem, which is a persons personal relationship and thinking towards food would then combat the obesity epidemic? You are over-simplifying and have a very poor understanding of the situation, and a rather judgemental attitude in my opinion. There are many causes, many of which the person who becomes obese will be unaware of, so they have no way of knowing how to eat correctly. Those who are insulin resistant for instant, the No 1 cause of obesity IMO, have no way of finding out until they are more or less diabetic as there is no NHS screening or testing, and the dietary advice which currently the official line is 30 years out of date, and has actually CAUSED much of the problem!! So yes, there urgently needs to be greater support for research into ALL the causes and all the solutions, some of which will be physical and some psychological and societal, otherwise 'diabesity' will bankrupt the NHS. Im pretty sure as someone who has insulin resistance and has lost 12 stone from my heaviest, i have an absoloute insight into it thank you So why are you showing ignorance and judgementalism towards others who are not yet diagnosed, or lack understanding or the correct treatment for their condition?? Did you have mental health issues as a root cause of your obesity, or did you just overeat through laziness and ignorance? Absolutely agree. It’s to be expected from those whoever never been in such position but from someone who claims they have, it’s shocking. Claims they have?? I can show you pics through out my life where i have been obese. :/ or maybe my saggy belly, arms etc.. ive been in denial myself and understand why some people get so offended with the mention of obesity I’m not that interested. Thanks but no thanks. No offence taken here, however your comments are judgemental and do not take into consideration different people with different conditions. You seem to think there is one way of dealing with obesity, that’s very ignorant. " Im saying getting to the root of why people over eat is something that is a huge factor. Its about changing the way people think towards food as society etc has programmed our thinking. Regardless of condition, if youre gaining weight you are eating wrong. Fact. If weight was something that coukdnt be controlled then why do other countries not have obesity problems? The people there will still have the conditions.. you are being very ignorant imo and i wander how much personal experience you have with morbid obesity? | |||
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"Is obesity a mental health issue the same as addiction is? Should we class those with serious weight issues as having a mental health problem and treat them for that rather than surgery such as a gastric bypass? Why as a society are we now allowing the obese to be in denial and make excuses for their weight such as a thyroid problem or medication. Yes this can cause issues, but you have to eat correctly for any condition you have. Such as diabetics have to follow a strict diet or they will die, same for those on meds that affect weight etc surely? Should we have specialised councilling to deal with the issues as to why people over eat, as over eating is linked to emotions and people believe eating will make them happy. Surely combating the root of the problem, which is a persons personal relationship and thinking towards food would then combat the obesity epidemic? You are over-simplifying and have a very poor understanding of the situation, and a rather judgemental attitude in my opinion. There are many causes, many of which the person who becomes obese will be unaware of, so they have no way of knowing how to eat correctly. Those who are insulin resistant for instant, the No 1 cause of obesity IMO, have no way of finding out until they are more or less diabetic as there is no NHS screening or testing, and the dietary advice which currently the official line is 30 years out of date, and has actually CAUSED much of the problem!! So yes, there urgently needs to be greater support for research into ALL the causes and all the solutions, some of which will be physical and some psychological and societal, otherwise 'diabesity' will bankrupt the NHS. Im pretty sure as someone who has insulin resistance and has lost 12 stone from my heaviest, i have an absoloute insight into it thank you So why are you showing ignorance and judgementalism towards others who are not yet diagnosed, or lack understanding or the correct treatment for their condition?? Did you have mental health issues as a root cause of your obesity, or did you just overeat through laziness and ignorance? Absolutely agree. It’s to be expected from those whoever never been in such position but from someone who claims they have, it’s shocking. Claims they have?? I can show you pics through out my life where i have been obese. :/ or maybe my saggy belly, arms etc.. ive been in denial myself and understand why some people get so offended with the mention of obesity I’m not that interested. Thanks but no thanks. No offence taken here, however your comments are judgemental and do not take into consideration different people with different conditions. You seem to think there is one way of dealing with obesity, that’s very ignorant. Im saying getting to the root of why people over eat is something that is a huge factor. Its about changing the way people think towards food as society etc has programmed our thinking. Regardless of condition, if youre gaining weight you are eating wrong. Fact. If weight was something that coukdnt be controlled then why do other countries not have obesity problems? The people there will still have the conditions.. you are being very ignorant imo and i wander how much personal experience you have with morbid obesity?" I’m the ignorant one yet you’re finding it hard to understand not everyone is like you to has it as easy as you. How much personal experience I have with obesity? Take a look at my photos... Thankfully I have no medical condition, I managed to change my eating habits quite easily when I swapped from full time employed to self employed so it was easy for me, and the weight is gradually going however it doesn’t stop me understanding that it is NOT this easy for everyone, you seem to be finding that very very hard. | |||
"Eating is definitely attached to my emotions x" There is also links between obesity and genetics some are more prone than others x My dad since he retired due to health issues (cancer) and copd has put on a fair amount of weight in the last few years and he is struggling from being active and independent to being pretty much stagnant x | |||
"It's very rare that people judge me for my thyroid condition. Well done OP.
Some people don't understand how different bodies work differently with the food they get.
Mine is just straight up genetic. There's nothing I can do about it at all, my thyroid is just stuffed. Normally I get told it's a "real" medical issue unlike all those fake crybaby ones (I don't approve of that either).
I have insulin resistance and have learnt to eat in a way my body best deals with it.
Same with thyroid problems, diabetes etc.. its a sad fact that some can eat as they want and not gain weight as their body deals with the energy well.. othets have conditions that you have to eat carefully and accept that fact
Indeed, but you can eat as carefully as you want, if your insulin resistance or hypothyroidism is not properly controlled you will be on a hiding to nothing. I am astonished you understand one condition and judge others through ignorance of the other!! Take the plank out of your own eye!
Huh? That makes no sense. No matter what condition you have if it causes weight problems it is because you are eating incorrectly.
"Wrong, that is not necessarily the case. And even when it is, first of all you have to UNDERSTAND what the problem is to know how to address it. Of course there will always be a percentage of lazy slobs who simply chose to overeat, but there are many legitimate causes too, and being judgmental doesn't help any of them. | |||
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"I spent two years on an extremely low calorie diet. Was very ill last year and put on a high dose medication. Within 6 months id regained 6 months. Im now in a position to lose weight i have to stick to 600 calories aday. Anymore than 1000 and i gain weight. Most people wouldnt be able to function on 600 calories" 600 calories a day? Dont we burn a minimum of around 2000 caloroes a day or so? Quite the deficit. | |||
"Tax fat and sugar and subsidise fruit and veg with the revenue. It's the next generation of fat kids that will cripple the NHS.We tax fags and booze and we need to plan for the fat time bomb and all the medical conditions associated with obesity that outstripsthr cost of conditions related to booze and fags. "The difference is though that people have to eat to survive (not over eat) alcohol and cigarettes aren’t needed in the same way. | |||
"Is obesity a mental health issue the same as addiction is? Should we class those with serious weight issues as having a mental health problem and treat them for that rather than surgery such as a gastric bypass? Why as a society are we now allowing the obese to be in denial and make excuses for their weight such as a thyroid problem or medication. Yes this can cause issues, but you have to eat correctly for any condition you have. Such as diabetics have to follow a strict diet or they will die, same for those on meds that affect weight etc surely? Should we have specialised councilling to deal with the issues as to why people over eat, as over eating is linked to emotions and people believe eating will make them happy. Surely combating the root of the problem, which is a persons personal relationship and thinking towards food would then combat the obesity epidemic? You are over-simplifying and have a very poor understanding of the situation, and a rather judgemental attitude in my opinion. There are many causes, many of which the person who becomes obese will be unaware of, so they have no way of knowing how to eat correctly. Those who are insulin resistant for instant, the No 1 cause of obesity IMO, have no way of finding out until they are more or less diabetic as there is no NHS screening or testing, and the dietary advice which currently the official line is 30 years out of date, and has actually CAUSED much of the problem!! So yes, there urgently needs to be greater support for research into ALL the causes and all the solutions, some of which will be physical and some psychological and societal, otherwise 'diabesity' will bankrupt the NHS. Im pretty sure as someone who has insulin resistance and has lost 12 stone from my heaviest, i have an absoloute insight into it thank you So why are you showing ignorance and judgementalism towards others who are not yet diagnosed, or lack understanding or the correct treatment for their condition?? Did you have mental health issues as a root cause of your obesity, or did you just overeat through laziness and ignorance? Absolutely agree. It’s to be expected from those whoever never been in such position but from someone who claims they have, it’s shocking. Claims they have?? I can show you pics through out my life where i have been obese. :/ or maybe my saggy belly, arms etc.. ive been in denial myself and understand why some people get so offended with the mention of obesity I’m not that interested. Thanks but no thanks. No offence taken here, however your comments are judgemental and do not take into consideration different people with different conditions. You seem to think there is one way of dealing with obesity, that’s very ignorant. Im saying getting to the root of why people over eat is something that is a huge factor. Its about changing the way people think towards food as society etc has programmed our thinking. Regardless of condition, if youre gaining weight you are eating wrong. Fact. If weight was something that coukdnt be controlled then why do other countries not have obesity problems? " They do ffs, it's a worldwide epidemic! the UK is one of the worst for sure - check out OECD Obesity-Update-2017 for some actual figures. Yes, everyone agrees with you that there needs to be more support for the root causes and investment in prevention, but you totally messed up the OP with your judgemental attitude towards people with medical issues you do not have!! | |||
"It's very rare that people judge me for my thyroid condition. Well done OP.
Some people don't understand how different bodies work differently with the food they get.
Mine is just straight up genetic. There's nothing I can do about it at all, my thyroid is just stuffed. Normally I get told it's a "real" medical issue unlike all those fake crybaby ones (I don't approve of that either).
I have insulin resistance and have learnt to eat in a way my body best deals with it.
Same with thyroid problems, diabetes etc.. its a sad fact that some can eat as they want and not gain weight as their body deals with the energy well.. othets have conditions that you have to eat carefully and accept that fact
Indeed, but you can eat as carefully as you want, if your insulin resistance or hypothyroidism is not properly controlled you will be on a hiding to nothing. I am astonished you understand one condition and judge others through ignorance of the other!! Take the plank out of your own eye!
Huh? That makes no sense. No matter what condition you have if it causes weight problems it is because you are eating incorrectly.
Wrong, that is not necessarily the case.
And even when it is, first of all you have to UNDERSTAND what the problem is to know how to address it.
Of course there will always be a percentage of lazy slobs who simply chose to overeat, but there are many legitimate causes too, and being judgmental doesn't help any of them."Try being bi polar personality disorder with type 2 diabetes very hard to live with and manage. When manic I don't eat I don't sleep and when I am low or bad I eat and sleep. Counselling, therapy being hospitalised, medication all helps to stabilise me but also prevents or very hard to loose weight etc. Something I struggle with everyday x | |||
"I spent two years on an extremely low calorie diet. Was very ill last year and put on a high dose medication. Within 6 months id regained 6 months. Im now in a position to lose weight i have to stick to 600 calories aday. Anymore than 1000 and i gain weight. Most people wouldnt be able to function on 600 calories 600 calories a day? Dont we burn a minimum of around 2000 caloroes a day or so? Quite the deficit. " im on medication which makes you put on weight and i have pcos. For me i have to stay under 1000 calories a day to lose the weight | |||
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"It's very rare that people judge me for my thyroid condition. Well done OP.
Some people don't understand how different bodies work differently with the food they get.
Mine is just straight up genetic. There's nothing I can do about it at all, my thyroid is just stuffed. Normally I get told it's a "real" medical issue unlike all those fake crybaby ones (I don't approve of that either).
I have insulin resistance and have learnt to eat in a way my body best deals with it.
Same with thyroid problems, diabetes etc.. its a sad fact that some can eat as they want and not gain weight as their body deals with the energy well.. othets have conditions that you have to eat carefully and accept that fact
Indeed, but you can eat as carefully as you want, if your insulin resistance or hypothyroidism is not properly controlled you will be on a hiding to nothing. I am astonished you understand one condition and judge others through ignorance of the other!! Take the plank out of your own eye!
Huh? That makes no sense. No matter what condition you have if it causes weight problems it is because you are eating incorrectly.
Wrong, that is not necessarily the case.
And even when it is, first of all you have to UNDERSTAND what the problem is to know how to address it.
Of course there will always be a percentage of lazy slobs who simply chose to overeat, but there are many legitimate causes too, and being judgmental doesn't help any of them.
Try being bi polar personality disorder with type 2 diabetes very hard to live with and manage. When manic I don't eat I don't sleep and when I am low or bad I eat and sleep. Counselling, therapy being hospitalised, medication all helps to stabilise me but also prevents or very hard to loose weight etc. Something I struggle with everyday x"Thank you for saying so. Hugs. | |||
"It's very rare that people judge me for my thyroid condition. Well done OP.
Some people don't understand how different bodies work differently with the food they get.
Mine is just straight up genetic. There's nothing I can do about it at all, my thyroid is just stuffed. Normally I get told it's a "real" medical issue unlike all those fake crybaby ones (I don't approve of that either).
I have insulin resistance and have learnt to eat in a way my body best deals with it.
Same with thyroid problems, diabetes etc.. its a sad fact that some can eat as they want and not gain weight as their body deals with the energy well.. othets have conditions that you have to eat carefully and accept that fact
Indeed, but you can eat as carefully as you want, if your insulin resistance or hypothyroidism is not properly controlled you will be on a hiding to nothing. I am astonished you understand one condition and judge others through ignorance of the other!! Take the plank out of your own eye!
Huh? That makes no sense. No matter what condition you have if it causes weight problems it is because you are eating incorrectly.
Wrong, that is not necessarily the case.
And even when it is, first of all you have to UNDERSTAND what the problem is to know how to address it.
Of course there will always be a percentage of lazy slobs who simply chose to overeat, but there are many legitimate causes too, and being judgmental doesn't help any of them.
Try being bi polar personality disorder with type 2 diabetes very hard to live with and manage. When manic I don't eat I don't sleep and when I am low or bad I eat and sleep. Counselling, therapy being hospitalised, medication all helps to stabilise me but also prevents or very hard to loose weight etc. Something I struggle with everyday x"she has absolutely no understanding. Its a prime example of look at me i can do it so should you | |||
"I spent two years on an extremely low calorie diet. Was very ill last year and put on a high dose medication. Within 6 months id regained 6 months. Im now in a position to lose weight i have to stick to 600 calories aday. Anymore than 1000 and i gain weight. Most people wouldnt be able to function on 600 calories" Yes, and people who have thyroid or insulin issues can find the same. I'd challenge any of the bloody ne'ersayers to stick to 600 calories for a month or even a week and carry on trying to live any kind of normal life. | |||
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"Is obesity a mental health issue the same as addiction is? Should we class those with serious weight issues as having a mental health problem and treat them for that rather than surgery such as a gastric bypass? Why as a society are we now allowing the obese to be in denial and make excuses for their weight such as a thyroid problem or medication. Yes this can cause issues, but you have to eat correctly for any condition you have. Such as diabetics have to follow a strict diet or they will die, same for those on meds that affect weight etc surely? Should we have specialised councilling to deal with the issues as to why people over eat, as over eating is linked to emotions and people believe eating will make them happy. Surely combating the root of the problem, which is a persons personal relationship and thinking towards food would then combat the obesity epidemic?" Do people who don't eat excessively and remain at a constant weight throughout their lives have mental health problems? Does anyone who doesn't enjoy feeling full or like having more body fat than someone else have mental health problems? Why does every person who is different to what someone's perceived perception of a body type be, be labelled with having mental health issues or medical issues? If people just got on with their own lives, let other people concern their selves with theirs and stopped raising points that have absolutely no concern of theirs, we'd find the world a happier place to live in. | |||
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"I spent two years on an extremely low calorie diet. Was very ill last year and put on a high dose medication. Within 6 months id regained 6 months. Im now in a position to lose weight i have to stick to 600 calories aday. Anymore than 1000 and i gain weight. Most people wouldnt be able to function on 600 calories 600 calories a day? Dont we burn a minimum of around 2000 caloroes a day or so? Quite the deficit. im on medication which makes you put on weight and i have pcos. For me i have to stay under 1000 calories a day to lose the weight" Condolences. | |||
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"You are doing amazingly well diamond and you should be extremely proud of yourself x" thanks shaz. The lack of awareness by the op is amazing | |||
"The condition itself is not necessarily an addiction, or a mental health issue - but can arise via addiction. I mean our brains are still those of our ancient ancestors are are therefore geared towards saving as much energy as possible and consuming as much as possible, as this was a good survival strategy. In short our brains operate in biological terms suitable for hunter gatherers or Neolithic farmers, but not for the age of convenience where there this a supermarket or fast food joint every 2 miles in most of the developed world. In short we need to reform health education. P.E classes for kids should be about nutrition and how to excersice correctly, not about kicking a ball about. We should probably put community classes on for adults too Furthermore, perhaps we can look at obesity as a physical combined mental health issue, there is an addictive element - to sugar, to alcohol, caffeinated sugary drinks. But there is also a mental health issue where by people have a lack of belief in themselves to change, or to motivate themselves to act. This of course has to come on the back of understanding that some people are born with, or develop autoimmune diseases. As well as addressing healthcare inequality." | |||
"I spent two years on an extremely low calorie diet. Was very ill last year and put on a high dose medication. Within 6 months id regained 6 months. Im now in a position to lose weight i have to stick to 600 calories aday. Anymore than 1000 and i gain weight. Most people wouldnt be able to function on 600 calories 600 calories a day? Dont we burn a minimum of around 2000 caloroes a day or so? Quite the deficit. " I thought these figures were being revised much lower as they were based on people working harder (Housework without the mod cons and more physical jobs) in the past and that our more sedentary lifestyles mean we should be consuming less calories. | |||
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"Right. It had to happen, just a couple of days after telling someone that I don’t get upset by anything on the forums, it’s just a bit of a giggle...you did it OP. I am fucking furious, sat here right now. I’m absolutely delighted for you that you lost 12 stone. If losing weight was your goal, fucking yippee for you. You persevered, tackled your habits and changed your life...that takes determination and willpower and a lot of guts. I do, genuinely, respect that. But fucking hell. Fucking. Hell. The tone of your original post and many of your answers since seem to belie the kind of born-again, judgemental sneering that does absolutely nothing to add to what is a sensitive and much needed debate. I grew up slim and scared, with a mother who continuously told me things like, “you have the beauty and the brains but you’ll need to always work on your body, you don’t have my genes in that department” or “if there’s a slim person and a fat person at a job interview, then who will get the job? That’s right, the slim person and why? Yes, because they can show self-discipline.” Looking back now, that was a pretty terrible thing to do to a teenager, so yes, I’m sensitive about people saying things, even if it comes from a good place, that ultimately end up harming the self-esteem of those it is directed at. I think, from the tone of the comments you’ve had back, OP, you may have hit that level. I remained in pretty good nick until moving to Leeds, maybe six years ago. Over the next three years, I put on eight stone due to various issues - I lost my twenty mile daily cycling commute, I stopped training as I couldn’t find anywhere in Leeds that did the same disciplines, the three guys who lived in the flat opposite had the Spice habit from hell, leaving me feeling lethargic and hungry for days at a time. I moved away from the city centre to a sleepy Dales town three years ago, and I’ve almost lost all the weight again. I will say that I walked into my GP there and asked for help getting fitter. I couldn’t have cared less about my weight...by that point I had got past those issues and I had a job I loved, an awesome partner and a great social life. I had realised that weight wasn’t the barrier that I had been brought up to believe. But I did miss sprinting for the train or going out on my bike. I’d always been active but my fitness was so poor that it was limiting my fun. My GP surgery was fantastic. I was set up with a lifestyle advisory type person who was there to provide advice and support on everything from nutrition to the triathlon I’d signed myself up for. I’m now running marathons for fun and back fighting. I can hike all day and all night without major issues. I still have a bit of weight on me, a couple of stone I could probably do with losing, but it doesn’t bother me. And that is the nub of it. It never bothered me. I didn’t do this to lose weight because weight isn’t a huge issue to me anymore. You can be skinny and have health issues that ‘burden’ the health service, like high cholesterol or the need for surgical repair for overused ligaments or tendons so that’s a bust. Guys and gals will still fancy you. You can still have fun and you’re still gorgeous. You’ll get that job if you work hard, will fit in with the team and have the right qualifications and experience. So, OP. What is it, exactly that you’re so worried about with regards obesity and why do people have to change? " | |||
"Right. It had to happen, just a couple of days after telling someone that I don’t get upset by anything on the forums, it’s just a bit of a giggle...you did it OP. I am fucking furious, sat here right now. I’m absolutely delighted for you that you lost 12 stone. If losing weight was your goal, fucking yippee for you. You persevered, tackled your habits and changed your life...that takes determination and willpower and a lot of guts. I do, genuinely, respect that. But fucking hell. Fucking. Hell. The tone of your original post and many of your answers since seem to belie the kind of born-again, judgemental sneering that does absolutely nothing to add to what is a sensitive and much needed debate. I grew up slim and scared, with a mother who continuously told me things like, “you have the beauty and the brains but you’ll need to always work on your body, you don’t have my genes in that department” or “if there’s a slim person and a fat person at a job interview, then who will get the job? That’s right, the slim person and why? Yes, because they can show self-discipline.” Looking back now, that was a pretty terrible thing to do to a teenager, so yes, I’m sensitive about people saying things, even if it comes from a good place, that ultimately end up harming the self-esteem of those it is directed at. I think, from the tone of the comments you’ve had back, OP, you may have hit that level. I remained in pretty good nick until moving to Leeds, maybe six years ago. Over the next three years, I put on eight stone due to various issues - I lost my twenty mile daily cycling commute, I stopped training as I couldn’t find anywhere in Leeds that did the same disciplines, the three guys who lived in the flat opposite had the Spice habit from hell, leaving me feeling lethargic and hungry for days at a time. I moved away from the city centre to a sleepy Dales town three years ago, and I’ve almost lost all the weight again. I will say that I walked into my GP there and asked for help getting fitter. I couldn’t have cared less about my weight...by that point I had got past those issues and I had a job I loved, an awesome partner and a great social life. I had realised that weight wasn’t the barrier that I had been brought up to believe. But I did miss sprinting for the train or going out on my bike. I’d always been active but my fitness was so poor that it was limiting my fun. My GP surgery was fantastic. I was set up with a lifestyle advisory type person who was there to provide advice and support on everything from nutrition to the triathlon I’d signed myself up for. I’m now running marathons for fun and back fighting. I can hike all day and all night without major issues. I still have a bit of weight on me, a couple of stone I could probably do with losing, but it doesn’t bother me. And that is the nub of it. It never bothered me. I didn’t do this to lose weight because weight isn’t a huge issue to me anymore. You can be skinny and have health issues that ‘burden’ the health service, like high cholesterol or the need for surgical repair for overused ligaments or tendons so that’s a bust. Guys and gals will still fancy you. You can still have fun and you’re still gorgeous. You’ll get that job if you work hard, will fit in with the team and have the right qualifications and experience. So, OP. What is it, exactly that you’re so worried about with regards obesity and why do people have to change? "O.P states she is 420 friendly.. Does that mean she is a drug user? Just curious as if so, that right there is a mental health issue that needs addressing before becoming judgemental on other people's issues. | |||
"Right. It had to happen, just a couple of days after telling someone that I don’t get upset by anything on the forums, it’s just a bit of a giggle...you did it OP. I am fucking furious, sat here right now. I’m absolutely delighted for you that you lost 12 stone. If losing weight was your goal, fucking yippee for you. You persevered, tackled your habits and changed your life...that takes determination and willpower and a lot of guts. I do, genuinely, respect that. But fucking hell. Fucking. Hell. The tone of your original post and many of your answers since seem to belie the kind of born-again, judgemental sneering that does absolutely nothing to add to what is a sensitive and much needed debate. I grew up slim and scared, with a mother who continuously told me things like, “you have the beauty and the brains but you’ll need to always work on your body, you don’t have my genes in that department” or “if there’s a slim person and a fat person at a job interview, then who will get the job? That’s right, the slim person and why? Yes, because they can show self-discipline.” Looking back now, that was a pretty terrible thing to do to a teenager, so yes, I’m sensitive about people saying things, even if it comes from a good place, that ultimately end up harming the self-esteem of those it is directed at. I think, from the tone of the comments you’ve had back, OP, you may have hit that level. I remained in pretty good nick until moving to Leeds, maybe six years ago. Over the next three years, I put on eight stone due to various issues - I lost my twenty mile daily cycling commute, I stopped training as I couldn’t find anywhere in Leeds that did the same disciplines, the three guys who lived in the flat opposite had the Spice habit from hell, leaving me feeling lethargic and hungry for days at a time. I moved away from the city centre to a sleepy Dales town three years ago, and I’ve almost lost all the weight again. I will say that I walked into my GP there and asked for help getting fitter. I couldn’t have cared less about my weight...by that point I had got past those issues and I had a job I loved, an awesome partner and a great social life. I had realised that weight wasn’t the barrier that I had been brought up to believe. But I did miss sprinting for the train or going out on my bike. I’d always been active but my fitness was so poor that it was limiting my fun. My GP surgery was fantastic. I was set up with a lifestyle advisory type person who was there to provide advice and support on everything from nutrition to the triathlon I’d signed myself up for. I’m now running marathons for fun and back fighting. I can hike all day and all night without major issues. I still have a bit of weight on me, a couple of stone I could probably do with losing, but it doesn’t bother me. And that is the nub of it. It never bothered me. I didn’t do this to lose weight because weight isn’t a huge issue to me anymore. You can be skinny and have health issues that ‘burden’ the health service, like high cholesterol or the need for surgical repair for overused ligaments or tendons so that’s a bust. Guys and gals will still fancy you. You can still have fun and you’re still gorgeous. You’ll get that job if you work hard, will fit in with the team and have the right qualifications and experience. So, OP. What is it, exactly that you’re so worried about with regards obesity and why do people have to change?
O.P states she is 420 friendly.. Does that mean she is a drug user?
Just curious as if so, that right there is a mental health issue that needs addressing before becoming judgemental on other people's issues. " | |||
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"Right. It had to happen, just a couple of days after telling someone that I don’t get upset by anything on the forums, it’s just a bit of a giggle...you did it OP. I am fucking furious, sat here right now. I’m absolutely delighted for you that you lost 12 stone. If losing weight was your goal, fucking yippee for you. You persevered, tackled your habits and changed your life...that takes determination and willpower and a lot of guts. I do, genuinely, respect that. But fucking hell. Fucking. Hell. The tone of your original post and many of your answers since seem to belie the kind of born-again, judgemental sneering that does absolutely nothing to add to what is a sensitive and much needed debate. I grew up slim and scared, with a mother who continuously told me things like, “you have the beauty and the brains but you’ll need to always work on your body, you don’t have my genes in that department” or “if there’s a slim person and a fat person at a job interview, then who will get the job? That’s right, the slim person and why? Yes, because they can show self-discipline.” Looking back now, that was a pretty terrible thing to do to a teenager, so yes, I’m sensitive about people saying things, even if it comes from a good place, that ultimately end up harming the self-esteem of those it is directed at. I think, from the tone of the comments you’ve had back, OP, you may have hit that level. I remained in pretty good nick until moving to Leeds, maybe six years ago. Over the next three years, I put on eight stone due to various issues - I lost my twenty mile daily cycling commute, I stopped training as I couldn’t find anywhere in Leeds that did the same disciplines, the three guys who lived in the flat opposite had the Spice habit from hell, leaving me feeling lethargic and hungry for days at a time. I moved away from the city centre to a sleepy Dales town three years ago, and I’ve almost lost all the weight again. I will say that I walked into my GP there and asked for help getting fitter. I couldn’t have cared less about my weight...by that point I had got past those issues and I had a job I loved, an awesome partner and a great social life. I had realised that weight wasn’t the barrier that I had been brought up to believe. But I did miss sprinting for the train or going out on my bike. I’d always been active but my fitness was so poor that it was limiting my fun. My GP surgery was fantastic. I was set up with a lifestyle advisory type person who was there to provide advice and support on everything from nutrition to the triathlon I’d signed myself up for. I’m now running marathons for fun and back fighting. I can hike all day and all night without major issues. I still have a bit of weight on me, a couple of stone I could probably do with losing, but it doesn’t bother me. And that is the nub of it. It never bothered me. I didn’t do this to lose weight because weight isn’t a huge issue to me anymore. You can be skinny and have health issues that ‘burden’ the health service, like high cholesterol or the need for surgical repair for overused ligaments or tendons so that’s a bust. Guys and gals will still fancy you. You can still have fun and you’re still gorgeous. You’ll get that job if you work hard, will fit in with the team and have the right qualifications and experience. So, OP. What is it, exactly that you’re so worried about with regards obesity and why do people have to change? " Well said | |||
"Right. It had to happen, just a couple of days after telling someone that I don’t get upset by anything on the forums, it’s just a bit of a giggle...you did it OP. I am fucking furious, sat here right now. I’m absolutely delighted for you that you lost 12 stone. If losing weight was your goal, fucking yippee for you. You persevered, tackled your habits and changed your life...that takes determination and willpower and a lot of guts. I do, genuinely, respect that. But fucking hell. Fucking. Hell. The tone of your original post and many of your answers since seem to belie the kind of born-again, judgemental sneering that does absolutely nothing to add to what is a sensitive and much needed debate. I grew up slim and scared, with a mother who continuously told me things like, “you have the beauty and the brains but you’ll need to always work on your body, you don’t have my genes in that department” or “if there’s a slim person and a fat person at a job interview, then who will get the job? That’s right, the slim person and why? Yes, because they can show self-discipline.” Looking back now, that was a pretty terrible thing to do to a teenager, so yes, I’m sensitive about people saying things, even if it comes from a good place, that ultimately end up harming the self-esteem of those it is directed at. I think, from the tone of the comments you’ve had back, OP, you may have hit that level. I remained in pretty good nick until moving to Leeds, maybe six years ago. Over the next three years, I put on eight stone due to various issues - I lost my twenty mile daily cycling commute, I stopped training as I couldn’t find anywhere in Leeds that did the same disciplines, the three guys who lived in the flat opposite had the Spice habit from hell, leaving me feeling lethargic and hungry for days at a time. I moved away from the city centre to a sleepy Dales town three years ago, and I’ve almost lost all the weight again. I will say that I walked into my GP there and asked for help getting fitter. I couldn’t have cared less about my weight...by that point I had got past those issues and I had a job I loved, an awesome partner and a great social life. I had realised that weight wasn’t the barrier that I had been brought up to believe. But I did miss sprinting for the train or going out on my bike. I’d always been active but my fitness was so poor that it was limiting my fun. My GP surgery was fantastic. I was set up with a lifestyle advisory type person who was there to provide advice and support on everything from nutrition to the triathlon I’d signed myself up for. I’m now running marathons for fun and back fighting. I can hike all day and all night without major issues. I still have a bit of weight on me, a couple of stone I could probably do with losing, but it doesn’t bother me. And that is the nub of it. It never bothered me. I didn’t do this to lose weight because weight isn’t a huge issue to me anymore. You can be skinny and have health issues that ‘burden’ the health service, like high cholesterol or the need for surgical repair for overused ligaments or tendons so that’s a bust. Guys and gals will still fancy you. You can still have fun and you’re still gorgeous. You’ll get that job if you work hard, will fit in with the team and have the right qualifications and experience. So, OP. What is it, exactly that you’re so worried about with regards obesity and why do people have to change?
O.P states she is 420 friendly.. Does that mean she is a drug user?
Just curious as if so, that right there is a mental health issue that needs addressing before becoming judgemental on other people's issues. " | |||
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"Right. It had to happen, just a couple of days after telling someone that I don’t get upset by anything on the forums, it’s just a bit of a giggle...you did it OP. I am fucking furious, sat here right now. I’m absolutely delighted for you that you lost 12 stone. If losing weight was your goal, fucking yippee for you. You persevered, tackled your habits and changed your life...that takes determination and willpower and a lot of guts. I do, genuinely, respect that. But fucking hell. Fucking. Hell. The tone of your original post and many of your answers since seem to belie the kind of born-again, judgemental sneering that does absolutely nothing to add to what is a sensitive and much needed debate. I grew up slim and scared, with a mother who continuously told me things like, “you have the beauty and the brains but you’ll need to always work on your body, you don’t have my genes in that department” or “if there’s a slim person and a fat person at a job interview, then who will get the job? That’s right, the slim person and why? Yes, because they can show self-discipline.” Looking back now, that was a pretty terrible thing to do to a teenager, so yes, I’m sensitive about people saying things, even if it comes from a good place, that ultimately end up harming the self-esteem of those it is directed at. I think, from the tone of the comments you’ve had back, OP, you may have hit that level. I remained in pretty good nick until moving to Leeds, maybe six years ago. Over the next three years, I put on eight stone due to various issues - I lost my twenty mile daily cycling commute, I stopped training as I couldn’t find anywhere in Leeds that did the same disciplines, the three guys who lived in the flat opposite had the Spice habit from hell, leaving me feeling lethargic and hungry for days at a time. I moved away from the city centre to a sleepy Dales town three years ago, and I’ve almost lost all the weight again. I will say that I walked into my GP there and asked for help getting fitter. I couldn’t have cared less about my weight...by that point I had got past those issues and I had a job I loved, an awesome partner and a great social life. I had realised that weight wasn’t the barrier that I had been brought up to believe. But I did miss sprinting for the train or going out on my bike. I’d always been active but my fitness was so poor that it was limiting my fun. My GP surgery was fantastic. I was set up with a lifestyle advisory type person who was there to provide advice and support on everything from nutrition to the triathlon I’d signed myself up for. I’m now running marathons for fun and back fighting. I can hike all day and all night without major issues. I still have a bit of weight on me, a couple of stone I could probably do with losing, but it doesn’t bother me. And that is the nub of it. It never bothered me. I didn’t do this to lose weight because weight isn’t a huge issue to me anymore. You can be skinny and have health issues that ‘burden’ the health service, like high cholesterol or the need for surgical repair for overused ligaments or tendons so that’s a bust. Guys and gals will still fancy you. You can still have fun and you’re still gorgeous. You’ll get that job if you work hard, will fit in with the team and have the right qualifications and experience. So, OP. What is it, exactly that you’re so worried about with regards obesity and why do people have to change? " What marathons have you run? | |||
"This is just an observation from us , we’re on an all inclusive holiday at present, many people are drinking alcohol for breakfast eating enormous amount of high calories & going for several helpings ( junk food)just because it’s there , more alcohol at lunch then alcohol for dinner very few of us are eating cereal for breakfast having a light snack mid day & a healthy evening meal veg etc & fruit, plenty of exercise ie swimming. We all have choices in life but surely some people just don’t give a rat’s arse about their health & rely on the NHS to sort their health out when it goes west. Not being judgemental what so ever just observing . Some people do have medical issues thus gain weight & I dare say do all in their power to help keep things under control " But if you can't relax on holiday and enjoy the all inclusive when can you x some people save up all year for it x | |||
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"Is obesity a mental health issue the same as addiction is? Should we class those with serious weight issues as having a mental health problem and treat them for that rather than surgery such as a gastric bypass? Why as a society are we now allowing the obese to be in denial and make excuses for their weight such as a thyroid problem or medication. Yes this can cause issues, but you have to eat correctly for any condition you have. Such as diabetics have to follow a strict diet or they will die, same for those on meds that affect weight etc surely? Should we have specialised councilling to deal with the issues as to why people over eat, as over eating is linked to emotions and people believe eating will make them happy. Surely combating the root of the problem, which is a persons personal relationship and thinking towards food would then combat the obesity epidemic?" Anorexia and bulemia are already seen as mental health issues, so for the most part, obesity and food related addictons are covered there as well. Mental heath in general is a category that already has next to no funding or services and very little understanding as it is, in much of the country. | |||
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"Bounding in. I’m a fattie. I got this way by being an absolute greedy cow plus gaining 4 stone through pregnancy and not bothering to shift it. Fast forward 12 years and I’m trying my absolute best to gym and diet it off but it isn’t shifting anywhere fast." If you haven't looked into the issue of insulin resistance and low carb eating then it may be worth your while - merely being overweight can cause insulin resistance and you won't necessarily notice any other symptoms. | |||
"I can only speak for myself on this as I know there are MANY factors that influence this, but I have periods when I put on weight and periods when I lose weight. The simple factor is that when I eat more healthily and exercise more I lose weight, when I slip back to my bad old ways and I’m not as active and the junk food is more prevalent I put on weight. That bit isn’t rocket science. But the difference between the two phases for me is entirely mental. When I’m “in the zone” mentally I can resist the bad stuff and get my arse down the gym. When I’m not “mentally focussed” on it, it becomes so much easier to say “ah I can’t be arsed to go to the gym tonight” and that’s also when I’ll tend to have more chocolate or cake! So whilst, as I said at the outset, there may be many factors contributing to the issue for ME (and I can only speak for me alone!) there is a mental link! "Pretty much this for me too! | |||
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"We all have choices in life but surely some people just don’t give a rat’s arse about their health & rely on the NHS to sort their health out when it goes west. " Yeah, but you can say that about all kinds of lifestyles. It's just being overweight is a visible thing that people can pick on and use as an excuse to bully or lecture. Not getting any exercise is really bad for you, but if you're also thin then no one will give you shit for not jogging enough. Same with eating fruit and veg. You can have the worst diet but if you're thin no one cares you don't eat broccoli. | |||
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"Bounding in. I’m a fattie. I got this way by being an absolute greedy cow plus gaining 4 stone through pregnancy and not bothering to shift it. Fast forward 12 years and I’m trying my absolute best to gym and diet it off but it isn’t shifting anywhere fast. For me it’s not a mental health or other health issue. It was pure laziness and it took 12 years to get like this. Possibly it will take a long time to reverse it. I do however know people who genuinely do have other issues that mean they cannot have the luxury of not being on meds or even being able to do the exercises they need to do. The one thing I seem to be losing though is my tits. How unfair is that?" This was me too. Exactly me (even down to losing my tits!!). I think partly it can be attributed to mental health. In order to eventually shift the weight I had to be completely in the right frame of mind mentally. I can't remember the number of failed attempts I've had at shifting the weight and only managing a stone or two only to pile it straight back on again a few months later. I would make up all sorts of excuses and blame all sorts of things on my lack of ability to lose weight. All of which were only half truths and the real reason was I just wasn't mentally ready to commit to weight loss. | |||
"We all have choices in life but surely some people just don’t give a rat’s arse about their health & rely on the NHS to sort their health out when it goes west. Yeah, but you can say that about all kinds of lifestyles. It's just being overweight is a visible thing that people can pick on and use as an excuse to bully or lecture. Not getting any exercise is really bad for you, but if you're also thin then no one will give you shit for not jogging enough. Same with eating fruit and veg. You can have the worst diet but if you're thin no one cares you don't eat broccoli. " I think I love you x | |||
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"We all have choices in life but surely some people just don’t give a rat’s arse about their health & rely on the NHS to sort their health out when it goes west. Yeah, but you can say that about all kinds of lifestyles. It's just being overweight is a visible thing that people can pick on and use as an excuse to bully or lecture. Not getting any exercise is really bad for you, but if you're also thin then no one will give you shit for not jogging enough. Same with eating fruit and veg. You can have the worst diet but if you're thin no one cares you don't eat broccoli. I think I love you x " Me too. | |||
"Is obesity a mental health issue the same as addiction is? Should we class those with serious weight issues as having a mental health problem and treat them for that rather than surgery such as a gastric bypass? Why as a society are we now allowing the obese to be in denial and make excuses for their weight such as a thyroid problem or medication. Yes this can cause issues, but you have to eat correctly for any condition you have. Such as diabetics have to follow a strict diet or they will die, same for those on meds that affect weight etc surely? Should we have specialised councilling to deal with the issues as to why people over eat, as over eating is linked to emotions and people believe eating will make them happy. Surely combating the root of the problem, which is a persons personal relationship and thinking towards food would then combat the obesity epidemic?" Isn’t it purely down to the fact that unhealthy food generally tastes good and people haven’t got the will power or inclination to give that up ? | |||
"Bounding in. I’m a fattie. I got this way by being an absolute greedy cow plus gaining 4 stone through pregnancy and not bothering to shift it. Fast forward 12 years and I’m trying my absolute best to gym and diet it off but it isn’t shifting anywhere fast. For me it’s not a mental health or other health issue. It was pure laziness and it took 12 years to get like this. Possibly it will take a long time to reverse it. I do however know people who genuinely do have other issues that mean they cannot have the luxury of not being on meds or even being able to do the exercises they need to do. The one thing I seem to be losing though is my tits. How unfair is that? This was me too. Exactly me (even down to losing my tits!!). I think partly it can be attributed to mental health. In order to eventually shift the weight I had to be completely in the right frame of mind mentally. I can't remember the number of failed attempts I've had at shifting the weight and only managing a stone or two only to pile it straight back on again a few months later. I would make up all sorts of excuses and blame all sorts of things on my lack of ability to lose weight. All of which were only half truths and the real reason was I just wasn't mentally ready to commit to weight loss. " I get what you’re saying Scarlet. I have weeks where I’m 100% on it. Totally in the zone. 1600 calories max. Limited carbs (eg only carbs from Bran Flakes and rice) and loadsa cardio/weights. Then other weeks where my will power isn’t so great and even though I log everything that I eat I don’t care that I ate it. I still gym in the weeks where I’m a pig but that’s mostly habit. The good weeks definitely outweigh the bad. This is shaping up to be a good week. Hopefully it lasts long enough to see some lbs gone. | |||
"Is obesity a mental health issue the same as addiction is? Should we class those with serious weight issues as having a mental health problem and treat them for that rather than surgery such as a gastric bypass? Why as a society are we now allowing the obese to be in denial and make excuses for their weight such as a thyroid problem or medication. Yes this can cause issues, but you have to eat correctly for any condition you have. Such as diabetics have to follow a strict diet or they will die, same for those on meds that affect weight etc surely? Should we have specialised councilling to deal with the issues as to why people over eat, as over eating is linked to emotions and people believe eating will make them happy. Surely combating the root of the problem, which is a persons personal relationship and thinking towards food would then combat the obesity epidemic?" obesity is a very complex issue and there is no one answer. For some it is ignorance or poverty for others it is a lack of will power but it also a debilitating mental health issue for some. If we say it is a mental health issue we cannot then say that obese people should not be allowed to make excuses. Would you say that to someone suffering from depression, suicidal thoughts or agraphobia? | |||
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" Isn’t it purely down to the fact that unhealthy food generally tastes good and people haven’t got the will power or inclination to give that up ?" This is a big part of it. Although I really enjoy eating raw veg, nothing gives me a foodgasm like a big hunk of cheddar cheese! | |||
"I spent two years on an extremely low calorie diet. Was very ill last year and put on a high dose medication. Within 6 months id regained 6 months. Im now in a position to lose weight i have to stick to 600 calories aday. Anymore than 1000 and i gain weight. Most people wouldnt be able to function on 600 calories" Can you do Cambridge Diet Weight Plan? That's around 600 calories, maybe 800 now as they had to increase it due to EU regs I think. | |||
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"Is obesity a mental health issue the same as addiction is? Should we class those with serious weight issues as having a mental health problem and treat them for that rather than surgery such as a gastric bypass? Why as a society are we now allowing the obese to be in denial and make excuses for their weight such as a thyroid problem or medication. Yes this can cause issues, but you have to eat correctly for any condition you have. Such as diabetics have to follow a strict diet or they will die, same for those on meds that affect weight etc surely? Should we have specialised councilling to deal with the issues as to why people over eat, as over eating is linked to emotions and people believe eating will make them happy. Surely combating the root of the problem, which is a persons personal relationship and thinking towards food would then combat the obesity epidemic?" As someone who was once a chunky monkey, a better diet and exercise sorted it out. I actually enjoy regular exercise now. I agree part of it is a mental barrier if you like but I don’t say I could categorise it as a mental health issue, more confidence. Some are happy in their body with a few extra pounds, others not so much, the latter being confidence I’d say. | |||
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"Its all down to the parents and when they are older there self. Nothing to do with prices or anything else. Simple solution is no free nhs for anyone above 10kg the average weight, and if one benefits, no cash, will be given a food shop from a supermarket, no choice of what arrives." Thats harsh ! Maybe there should be no free nhs for smokers, drinkers, druggies, nor for people who take part in dangerous sports too. | |||
"Is obesity a mental health issue the same as addiction is? Should we class those with serious weight issues as having a mental health problem and treat them for that rather than surgery such as a gastric bypass? Why as a society are we now allowing the obese to be in denial and make excuses for their weight such as a thyroid problem or medication. Yes this can cause issues, but you have to eat correctly for any condition you have. Such as diabetics have to follow a strict diet or they will die, same for those on meds that affect weight etc surely? Should we have specialised councilling to deal with the issues as to why people over eat, as over eating is linked to emotions and people believe eating will make them happy. Surely combating the root of the problem, which is a persons personal relationship and thinking towards food would then combat the obesity epidemic? Isn’t it purely down to the fact that unhealthy food tastes good and people haven’t got the will power or inclination to give that up ?" Only sometimes. And the only way to tell the difference between a lazy fat bastud, a sick fat bastud and a mentally ill fat bastud is to get a medical degree, get your had out of your arse and do a lot of blood testing! | |||
"Fast it’s good for you Whole system turns of and rests " Yes that's correct - tough message for most though. | |||
