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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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just found out daughters school closed just as well i dont work. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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our to  |
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over a year ago
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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i had a feeling they wouldnt say til tues schools useless like that |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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we was told last week to give people time to arrange stuff if needed |
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we was told last week as well x |
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got told last week so 3 kids off |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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wewere told last week which is a bummer as on 13 hour night shift tonight and the kids will be home in the morning
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Cameron said last week that if your child's school was closed you should take the kid to work with you..yet another example of what a fucking moron he is |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Cameron said last week that if your child's school was closed you should take the kid to work with you..yet another example of what a fucking moron he is"
what if you do bomb disposal  |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Shit, I forgot about this, glad I seen it or would of tried to take him school tomorrow
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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I have given my days work away for tomorrow. What normally takes me 15 mins in the car during rush hour would take me a couple of hours. Both tunnels under the Mersey are closed and trains off |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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in a nutshell the guy is a fkn moron,go out and get your self a real job for a change ,and step out of your public school boy dream world |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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well if your kids like mine are off school ,stay at home and show this fkn twat that we the british public are not to be fucked about with,its about time we all made a stand because today its public sector ,tomorow it might be your pention being eroded or your enployment rights ,this is just the begining of this goverments return to the days of them and us the haves and the haves nots |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"well if your kids like mine are off school ,stay at home and show this fkn twat that we the british public are not to be fucked about with,its about time we all made a stand because today its public sector ,tomorow it might be your pention being eroded or your enployment rights ,this is just the begining of this goverments return to the days of them and us the haves and the haves nots"
Oh dear, your not a current affair fan. Private pensions have been decimated by Gordon brown who put a charge of £5bn on them, and make the employer balance the pension book annually! rather than the know practise of cycles, more in sometimes, lees in other times...
SO all the people with private pensions have to pay more for the same amount or take less, but still have to help provide the public sectors pension pot... |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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i am aware of this and i was never a supporter of browns goverment either ,but two wrongs dont make a right |
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By *ravoMan
over a year ago
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Anyone who expects hard pressed public sector workers to pay more, work longer and get less is deluding themselves. Add that to the hundreds of thousands of job losses this Government has made to try to balance the books and years of wage restraint / pay freezes and you can see why they are upset. They get my full support and if there is any blame for the strikes then it's David Cameron's. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"well if your kids like mine are off school ,stay at home and show this fkn twat that we the british public are not to be fucked about with,its about time we all made a stand because today its public sector ,tomorow it might be your pention being eroded or your enployment rights ,this is just the begining of this goverments return to the days of them and us the haves and the haves nots
Oh dear, your not a current affair fan. Private pensions have been decimated by Gordon brown who put a charge of £5bn on them, and make the employer balance the pension book annually! rather than the know practise of cycles, more in sometimes, lees in other times...
SO all the people with private pensions have to pay more for the same amount or take less, but still have to help provide the public sectors pension pot..."
In the interests of balance...
Nigel Lawson raided private pension funds first..was he not .. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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wouldn't this be called embezzlement in a private pension? |
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By *umourCouple
over a year ago
Rushden |
How anyone can lay the blame for the strikes at the door of No.10 is beyond me!
Talks have not finished and there is still much to play for. The implementation won't happen until either agreement is reached or the Unions fold! There is plenty of time for a strike when all else has failed...
This is just the Unions flexing what little muscle they have and trying to take on the Government! It will end with a tightening of the laws on Unions and I would be happy for that to happen!
How a national strike can be called when most didn't even vote, let alone vote for it! Well, it's beyond me... (But I have been told that there are a lot of things that are beyond me! )
No strike should go ahead unless the prescribed percentage have voted for it from the total Union membership! |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Im a nurse but im not striking, its not in my nature!!!
I understand the reasons behind it but when i got a ward of sick ppl im not letting anyone down !! |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Im a nurse but im not striking, its not in my nature!!!
I understand the reasons behind it but when i got a ward of sick ppl im not letting anyone down !!"
Hear! Hear! Good on you. [where's the thumbs up smiley) |
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"How anyone can lay the blame for the strikes at the door of No.10 is beyond me!
Talks have not finished and there is still much to play for. The implementation won't happen until either agreement is reached or the Unions fold! There is plenty of time for a strike when all else has failed...
This is just the Unions flexing what little muscle they have and trying to take on the Government! It will end with a tightening of the laws on Unions and I would be happy for that to happen!
How a national strike can be called when most didn't even vote, let alone vote for it! Well, it's beyond me... (But I have been told that there are a lot of things that are beyond me! )
No strike should go ahead unless the prescribed percentage have voted for it from the total Union membership!"
So while we are at it....should we not tighten up the laws regarding local and general elections and make some changes that mean that any party winning an election win the vote of the majority of the country?
We have a situation where the Lib Dems hold office in the form of a coalition government....even though they lost seats at the last election....and their support dropped.
Or should all new laws only apply to Trade Unions? |
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"How anyone can lay the blame for the strikes at the door of No.10 is beyond me!
Talks have not finished and there is still much to play for. The implementation won't happen until either agreement is reached or the Unions fold! There is plenty of time for a strike when all else has failed...
This is just the Unions flexing what little muscle they have and trying to take on the Government! It will end with a tightening of the laws on Unions and I would be happy for that to happen!
How a national strike can be called when most didn't even vote, let alone vote for it! Well, it's beyond me... (But I have been told that there are a lot of things that are beyond me! )
No strike should go ahead unless the prescribed percentage have voted for it from the total Union membership!
So while we are at it....should we not tighten up the laws regarding local and general elections and make some changes that mean that any party winning an election win the vote of the majority of the country?
We have a situation where the Lib Dems hold office in the form of a coalition government....even though they lost seats at the last election....and their support dropped.
Or should all new laws only apply to Trade Unions?"
well said |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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well done those who get down off the fence tomorow and stand up for what is wright
And for yous among you who think it is wrong or union bash ,look out it may be you next week the goverment try to screw ,then what ,will you let them do it i dont think so |
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its not just about who gets what when they retire or whos paying for it . there are things people dont know regarding pension reforms . ie if you work you will be forced to contribute to a pension scheme . forced not given a choice . so before kicking public sector workers for striking have a think about it . could you afford to forcibly have money stopped from your salary? money your used to having? no thought not so public sector strikes might have a big effect on your retirement too !!!!! |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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quite right ,further more this extra cash goes right into the goverment coffers to support there so called recovery plan |
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By *ytraCouple
over a year ago
Wrexham |
I will say the same as i have said before, while i do agree with the reasons behind the strikes, i don't agree with the strikes themselves. All they are saying to the kids these days is have a temper tantrum, throw a paddy to try and get your own way. As for teachers striking, they should just look at the spellings and grammar on forums and they will see they are needed in the classrooms as the majority of people these days can't even spell properly |
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and doing nothing is the answer? |
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Tis true!.....This coalition want to make contributing to a pension compulsory, be it a Private or Public Sector pension.
Now....that MAY seem like a sterling plan, but pension fund managers have been running amok on the markets of late and private pensions have been spiralling downwards.
Not much fun if people find upon retirement that they are actually getting back not much more than they have paid in themselves....or maybe less!
Add the fact that the Tories are ultra keen on organisations like TFL (London Transport as was) raiding pension funds to purchase bus and tube carriage fleets...with the promise of ploughing future profies back into the pension fund....well, makes you wonder why people should be forced to take out a pension in future years.....doesn't it? |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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I`ll have a defined benefit pension scheme like 80 % of public sector workers...
Risk free.....taxpayer protects the fund...
Yes Purleazzzzze %*.. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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This coalition is the worst thing to ever happen to this country in decades
Too much infighting and not enough action
As a long term Tory I'm absolutely ashamed of my party and wish ta fuck the system was completely different and we had people who actually knew what they were doing
And that applies to ALL parties
They haven't got a fucking clue any of them xx  |
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were lion`s led by donkies i tell thee |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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STRIKE,throw your toys out of the pram ,the torys are not going to listen get round the table all you like the answer is going to be the same ,throw the gauntlet down ,get off the fence stand and be counted because beleive you me ,unless you are amoung the elite its your pention next |
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"STRIKE,throw your toys out of the pram ,the torys are not going to listen get round the table all you like the answer is going to be the same ,throw the gauntlet down ,get off the fence stand and be counted because beleive you me ,unless you are amoung the elite its your pention next"
what he said  |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"This coalition is the worst thing to ever happen to this country in decades
Too much infighting and not enough action
As a long term Tory I'm absolutely ashamed of my party and wish ta fuck the system was completely different and we had people who actually knew what they were doing
And that applies to ALL parties
They haven't got a fucking clue any of them xx "
Its all smoke and mirrors...
Inflated imaginary assets built on housing booms...
We need some original thought, and leadership...
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"I`ll have a defined benefit pension scheme like 80 % of public sector workers...
Risk free.....taxpayer protects the fund...
Yes Purleazzzzze %*.."
Which has ALWAYS been the bait on the hook for people to work in the Public Sector, where for the vast majority a lower than average wage and more often than not doing a job that most wouldn't dream of doing in a million years, is offset with the promise of a decent pension at the end of it.
I don't know about you lot, but I COULDN'T do most of the jobs our public sector workers have to do every day of the week.
Anyone for a bit of Street Cleaning...Refuse Collection...Auxillary Nursing...Hospital Cleaning...???
Not for me folks, but thank god we have people who are prepared to undertake those kind of jobs, we would be in the shit (literally) without them.
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we need to stop bailing every fkr else out . thats what we need to do |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"I`ll have a defined benefit pension scheme like 80 % of public sector workers...
Risk free.....taxpayer protects the fund...
Yes Purleazzzzze %*..
Which has ALWAYS been the bait on the hook for people to work in the Public Sector, where for the vast majority a lower than average wage and more often than not doing a job that most wouldn't dream of doing in a million years, is offset with the promise of a decent pension at the end of it.
I don't know about you lot, but I COULDN'T do most of the jobs our public sector workers have to do every day of the week.
Anyone for a bit of Street Cleaning...Refuse Collection...Auxillary Nursing...Hospital Cleaning...???
Not for me folks, but thank god we have people who are prepared to undertake those kind of jobs, we would be in the shit (literally) without them.
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We`ll see the versaity of that , when the review into regional pay structures comes out next year...
And we get a chance with a forensic audit...just what public sector workers are paid , in relation to private sector workers...
That said...dragging everyone down to the lowest level...is the counsel of despair...
The recommendations came from a Labour peer...
I remember when defined contributions were common in the private sector...
Mssr`s Brown ..fiddled with that ...they soon dissapeared...to be replaced by defined contribution schemes...
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Well I for one am striking tomorow as I dont want to be f@cked up the arse by the out-of-touch government wanting to make me pay more, get less, and work longer...so to those of you who are public sector haters...FU!! You're probably unemployed, a chav, or havnt even thought about your future and are expecting people like me to keep paying NI contributions so you can sit watching Jeremy Kyle and smoking dope all day whilst playing on your xbox plugged into your enormous telly! They are the people the government should be reaping money from, not us honest, decent, hardworking people!  Rant over! |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"I`ll have a defined benefit pension scheme like 80 % of public sector workers...
Risk free.....taxpayer protects the fund...
Yes Purleazzzzze %*..
Which has ALWAYS been the bait on the hook for people to work in the Public Sector, where for the vast majority a lower than average wage and more often than not doing a job that most wouldn't dream of doing in a million years, is offset with the promise of a decent pension at the end of it.
I don't know about you lot, but I COULDN'T do most of the jobs our public sector workers have to do every day of the week.
Anyone for a bit of Street Cleaning...Refuse Collection...Auxillary Nursing...Hospital Cleaning...???
Not for me folks, but thank god we have people who are prepared to undertake those kind of jobs, we would be in the shit (literally) without them.
We`ll see the versaity of that , when the review into regional pay structures comes out next year...
And we get a chance with a forensic audit...just what public sector workers are paid , in relation to private sector workers...
That said...dragging everyone down to the lowest level...is the counsel of despair...
The recommendations came from a Labour peer...
I remember when defined contributions were common in the private sector...
Mssr`s Brown ..fiddled with that ...they soon dissapeared...to be replaced by defined contribution schemes...
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I remember when defined " benefit" were common in the workplace..
Mabye those at the upper end of the public sector with their disproportioate pay..benefits...final salary et al....will see some of their pay redistributed to the lower paid ....those you mentioned...the dirty end of things....miles away from meetings about meetings ... |
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In solidarity with the Public Sector workers ( not ), i shall abstain from having a wank tomorrow.
My typing may be a bit slow and hazy tonight as a result of forward planning.
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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In solidarity with the Public Sector workers ( not ), i shall abstain from having a wank tomorrow.
My typing may be a bit slow and hazy tonight as a result of forward planning.
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Your cabal of managers will have something to say about this Mushy...
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"well if your kids like mine are off school ,stay at home and show this fkn twat that we the british public are not to be fucked about with,its about time we all made a stand because today its public sector ,tomorow it might be your pention being eroded or your enployment rights ,this is just the begining of this goverments return to the days of them and us the haves and the haves nots
Oh dear, your not a current affair fan. Private pensions have been decimated by Gordon brown who put a charge of £5bn on them, and make the employer balance the pension book annually! rather than the know practise of cycles, more in sometimes, lees in other times...
SO all the people with private pensions have to pay more for the same amount or take less, but still have to help provide the public sectors pension pot...
In the interests of balance...
Nigel Lawson raided private pension funds first..was he not .."
I don't know, what were the rough details? |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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I think the strike has been called, so they can have a Xmas shopping day...
Only those involved can know if it's right, those of us outside only know so much about it all.
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By *abioMan
over a year ago
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just which part of the public sector would people like to have a go at...
think of it like this....
the people in the public sector have had in the last 3 year pay freezes.. and then found out today they are going to only get 1% for the 2 years after that...
brilliant when a) inflation has been running at, 3,4,5% for the last 3 years.. and the obr say the 3 years are going to be 4.5%,3.7% and 2.6%.....
so in effect for 6 years straight they are going to be taking a huge drop in wages....
and b) most people in the public sector are some of the lowest paid..... |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"well if your kids like mine are off school ,stay at home and show this fkn twat that we the british public are not to be fucked about with,its about time we all made a stand because today its public sector ,tomorow it might be your pention being eroded or your enployment rights ,this is just the begining of this goverments return to the days of them and us the haves and the haves nots
Oh dear, your not a current affair fan. Private pensions have been decimated by Gordon brown who put a charge of £5bn on them, and make the employer balance the pension book annually! rather than the know practise of cycles, more in sometimes, lees in other times...
SO all the people with private pensions have to pay more for the same amount or take less, but still have to help provide the public sectors pension pot...
In the interests of balance...
Nigel Lawson raided private pension funds first..was he not ..
I don't know, what were the rough details?"
He introduced a tax on company pension plans...
Employers took a pension contribution holiday...
Alot of peeps saw very little pension.. |
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By *abioMan
over a year ago
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and c.... the obr now say because of the cuts... there ways due to be 400,000 public sector jobs going..... that number is likely to increase to 710,000 jobs...... |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"just which part of the public sector would people like to have a go at...
think of it like this....
the people in the public sector have had in the last 3 year pay freezes.. and then found out today they are going to only get 1% for the 2 years after that...
brilliant when a) inflation has been running at, 3,4,5% for the last 3 years.. and the obr say the 3 years are going to be 4.5%,3.7% and 2.6%.....
so in effect for 6 years straight they are going to be taking a huge drop in wages....
and b) most people in the public sector are some of the lowest paid....."
Some will froth at the mouth, once the regional pay report is delivered next year.. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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The Royal Mail pension scandal will be next in line... |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"I think the strike has been called, so they can have a Xmas shopping day...
Only those involved can know if it's right, those of us outside only know so much about it all.
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Im a Band 3 Secretary in the NHS...i earn the same as private sector cleaners per hour! I cant even think about Christmas shopping until i get my December wage! |
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"I think the strike has been called, so they can have a Xmas shopping day...
Only those involved can know if it's right, those of us outside only know so much about it all.
Im a Band 3 Secretary in the NHS...i earn the same as private sector cleaners per hour! I cant even think about Christmas shopping until i get my December wage!"
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By *ytraCouple
over a year ago
Wrexham |
"The Royal Mail pension scandal will be next in line..."
Taken from todays Telegraph "National postal strikes could return next month if deal is not struck by January 22
The postal service could grind to a halt because of fresh strikes as soon as next month unless a peace deal between unions and Royal Mail is signed in the next 10 days.
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By *andKCouple
over a year ago
Norfolk |
Thank god we don't have school age kids anymore.
Just for the record I am doing a training course tomorrow and the instructor isn't on strike - well as far as I know he/she isn't anyway |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"The Royal Mail pension scandal will be next in line...
Taken from todays Telegraph "National postal strikes could return next month if deal is not struck by January 22
The postal service could grind to a halt because of fresh strikes as soon as next month unless a peace deal between unions and Royal Mail is signed in the next 10 days.
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These pension schemes are the result of years of politians and civil servants...over there heads in negotitian, and a lack of political will to tackle them..
In these times...seems the government is cleaning a few plates...
Try readng up on the RM pension scandal.. |
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By *andKCouple
over a year ago
Norfolk |
taken from 2009 annual report
Derek Simpson and Tony Woodley, joint general secretaries at the Unite union, both received above-inflation increases, taking their salaries to £97,000 and £93,000 respectively
Not much being said about that is there? |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"taken from 2009 annual report
Derek Simpson and Tony Woodley, joint general secretaries at the Unite union, both received above-inflation increases, taking their salaries to £97,000 and £93,000 respectively
Not much being said about that is there?"
17,00o public sector workers get a pension of over a million..
Not much said about that either.. |
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"taken from 2009 annual report
Derek Simpson and Tony Woodley, joint general secretaries at the Unite union, both received above-inflation increases, taking their salaries to £97,000 and £93,000 respectively
Not much being said about that is there?
17,00o public sector workers get a pension of over a million..
Not much said about that either.."
I'm not surprised. I'd be amazed if 17,000 even got remuneration of over a million. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"taken from 2009 annual report
Derek Simpson and Tony Woodley, joint general secretaries at the Unite union, both received above-inflation increases, taking their salaries to £97,000 and £93,000 respectively
Not much being said about that is there?
17,00o public sector workers get a pension of over a million..
Not much said about that either..
I'm not surprised. I'd be amazed if 17,000 even got remuneration of over a million."
Lol ...I`ll see if I can dig it out... |
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"taken from 2009 annual report
Derek Simpson and Tony Woodley, joint general secretaries at the Unite union, both received above-inflation increases, taking their salaries to £97,000 and £93,000 respectively
Not much being said about that is there?
17,00o public sector workers get a pension of over a million..
Not much said about that either.."
That report was rubbished at least a couple of years ago as being short on facts and big on scaremongering, it's not a new report at all, just a regurgitated story by newspapers who failed to highlight that the report focused far too heavily on the pensions of leading retired MP's, Police Officers, Surgeons, BBC directors and senior managers, Senior Post Office and Telecom managers, and other dinosaurs from pre privatised industry executive positions.
The reality is in modern Britain that the average annual pension income of retired public sector workers is more like £6000.....
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"taken from 2009 annual report
Derek Simpson and Tony Woodley, joint general secretaries at the Unite union, both received above-inflation increases, taking their salaries to £97,000 and £93,000 respectively
Not much being said about that is there?
17,00o public sector workers get a pension of over a million..
Not much said about that either..
That report was rubbished at least a couple of years ago as being short on facts and big on scaremongering, it's not a new report at all, just a regurgitated story by newspapers who failed to highlight that the report focused far too heavily on the pensions of leading retired MP's, Police Officers, Surgeons, BBC directors and senior managers, Senior Post Office and Telecom managers, and other dinosaurs from pre privatised industry executive positions.
The reality is in modern Britain that the average annual pension income of retired public sector workers is more like £6000.....
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hahaha..
I`m larking around...
Tho tis true that 17,000 public sector workers are being paid pensions..
3,680 civil servants
10,480 doctors and NHS workers..
1,979 teachers..
Obtained under the freedom of information act..
They have a £33,000 a year pension..
It cost the taxpayer a million to fund each pension..
I just love creative accounting %*
As you were..
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bankers with golden hand shakes with millions a year in pentions ,for failing ,the should have been sacked and told to fuck off |
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why is there so many people on hear who think only in the short term and there selfs ,lets see if some of your opinions are the same if you start to get screwed by goverments ,especialy the prick cameron |
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"bankers with golden hand shakes with millions a year in pentions ,for failing ,the should have been sacked and told to fuck off "
Yeah...RBS...fucked of another lot of workers today...whats he running total over 20,000...
Still its a performace related renumeration...well...thats the myth...
Lets not talk about Northern Rock..
We keep bailing billions in....creatively...the banks can`t help but make a good dividend on the terms....then we reward them with more taxpayers money ...
Its a sucker punch...
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The coalition has gambled and lost thier plan A is fucked and Osbourne like a spoilt brat wont admit it.
Public service workers are 25% of the working population if you throw a fifth of them on the dole as is now likely to happen ,you dont have to be Einstein to realise its going to impact the economy.
The pension scam is just that ,making us pay for the banks greed 2.8 billion a year opposed to the bank levy of 2.7
How can the unions not call a strike when the Hutton report stated the details surrounding pensions have to be transparent.The unions have been asking for 9 months as to the fund holding in the pension funds and the Govt have refused to tell ....then after 9 months of threats and innuendo they throw a flimsy offer on the table and say take it or leave it ...HA negotiation
they dont know the meaning of the word .
Finally I applaud the unions for at least having a go their campaigne is not "save our pensions" ...it is "fair pensions for all" ....including the private sector ..to me pensions are a cross party issue and too important to be a political football.I am ashamed at how the brit govt have allowed piss poor pensions in the private sectors while allowing multi-national corporations to coin it in and raid our economy.
So if you go yahh boo to the public sector, remember they are saying fuck you on behalf of the private sector too.
And so who is big enough,brave enough or organised enough in the private sector to say enough is enough ..
Its Better to die on your feet than live on your knees.
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"Finally I applaud the unions for at least having a go their campaigne is not "save our pensions" ...it is "fair pensions for all" ....including the private sector ..to me pensions are a cross party issue and too important to be a political football.I am ashamed at how the brit govt have allowed piss poor pensions in the private sectors while allowing multi-national corporations to coin it in and raid our economy.
So if you go yahh boo to the public sector, remember they are saying fuck you on behalf of the private sector too.
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So, let me get this straight, if the unions win, the private sector will get a lovely nice pension out of it too?
Will they fuck.
The unions will simply crow about a victory for their members and bugger all will be done for non-union members. Wake up PD, the union leadership have only themselves and their relative powerbases in mind and nothing else.
Osbourne is doing a fine balancing act in trying to stay on target with the deficit whilst finding funds to allow businesses to grow during these tough times. I think he's doing a great job considering what he was left to work with from Break Britain & Bugger Off Blair & Brown. |
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By *oole2010Couple
over a year ago
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while i agree of your right to strike i think everyone in the public sector needs to look at the miners strike that happened in the early eighties the tory govt didnt give a toss then and all scargill did was help with closing the mines down he went in with a small house and a big union and ame out with a big house and a small union all of these so called brothers in charge of getting you out on strike are still gonna be collecting their excessive salaries all the governments since the 1980s when the torys deregulated the banks including the champagne socialists called new labour have relied on the banking system to make them billions they forgot manufacturing the very core of labour supporters who they were supposed to represent and were content when the factories were closing so theres the trouble the banks have virually gone bust and we dont have the manufacturing to help bail us out and im afraid all the public sector workers including teachers nurses etc have to be paid although they do a very important job they dont make the country any money because what these people do we cant sell unlike factories so at the moment we have to borrow money to pay them so theres where the imbalance lies not enough taxes raised through factories to pay your wages so they just make savage cuts to balance the books im private sector and as of today no have to work another 2 years to pay the idle and the feckless even tho they will get a 5.2 percent pay rise next year i myself had a 1.5 percent pay rise last month after a 4 year freeze also announced today was the fact that over 700,000 public sector jobs will eventually go in the next 5 years so most of you striking wont have to worry about your public sector pension because it looks like you will be out of a job and not only will they save all those wages but all those pension payouts as well oh and all the union bosses will still be getting their excessive salaries even when the redundant are signing on same as always |
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"The coalition has gambled and lost thier plan A is fucked and Osbourne like a spoilt brat wont admit it.
Public service workers are 25% of the working population if you throw a fifth of them on the dole as is now likely to happen ,you dont have to be Einstein to realise its going to impact the economy.
The pension scam is just that ,making us pay for the banks greed 2.8 billion a year opposed to the bank levy of 2.7
How can the unions not call a strike when the Hutton report stated the details surrounding pensions have to be transparent.The unions have been asking for 9 months as to the fund holding in the pension funds and the Govt have refused to tell ....then after 9 months of threats and innuendo they throw a flimsy offer on the table and say take it or leave it ...HA negotiation
they dont know the meaning of the word .
Finally I applaud the unions for at least having a go their campaigne is not "save our pensions" ...it is "fair pensions for all" ....including the private sector ..to me pensions are a cross party issue and too important to be a political football.I am ashamed at how the brit govt have allowed piss poor pensions in the private sectors while allowing multi-national corporations to coin it in and raid our economy.
So if you go yahh boo to the public sector, remember they are saying fuck you on behalf of the private sector too.
And so who is big enough,brave enough or organised enough in the private sector to say enough is enough ..
Its Better to die on your feet than live on your knees.
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As the OBR said today in a wider context....its all bollocks....
When the Euro crashes....all this shit will be beside the point... |
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People need to open their eyes,the public sector is top heavy with managers protecting their own intersts,a cull in management would fund more frontline staff and create a supply of managers, who if then used their skills to promote business opportunitys in the private sector would surely help our struggling economy |
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"The Royal Mail pension scandal will be next in line...
Taken from todays Telegraph "National postal strikes could return next month if deal is not struck by January 22
The postal service could grind to a halt because of fresh strikes as soon as next month unless a peace deal between unions and Royal Mail is signed in the next 10 days.
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However unlike other areas of the public sector there is direct competition for postal services - businesses who rely on the post for the delivery of goods will walk away from the Royal Mail
If the unions gain a victory it will only be Pyrrhic |
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Anyone know or hear of what "private sector" unions think of the matter, ie loss of jobs, the absence of "gold-plated", inflation proof, LOW contribution pensions schemes that public sector workers have?
Thought so. Would've made interesting reading. |
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"People need to open their eyes,the public sector is top heavy with managers protecting their own intersts,a cull in management would fund more frontline staff and create a supply of managers, who if then used their skills to promote business opportunitys in the private sector would surely help our struggling economy"
Agreed but remember it was labour's mis-management of the public sector that gave rise to layers of unnecessary bureaucracy
Political history has shown that Tory cuts come after labour's incompetence |
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Anyone know or hear of what "private sector" unions think of the matter, ie loss of jobs, the absence of "gold-plated", inflation proof, LOW contribution pensions schemes that public sector workers have?
Thought so. Would've made interesting reading. "
Serious question Mushy...have you perused the Hutton report ?.. |
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By *umourCouple
over a year ago
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"So while we are at it....should we not tighten up the laws regarding local and general elections and make some changes that mean that any party winning an election win the vote of the majority of the country?
We have a situation where the Lib Dems hold office in the form of a coalition government....even though they lost seats at the last election....and their support dropped.
Or should all new laws only apply to Trade Unions?"
Of course we should tighten up all laws of this ilk! But I fail to see what that has to do with the strike! As far as I know, the OP was not about government elections!
I do understand what you are saying, but I am also aware that you skirted the issue about the unions calling a national strike with a minimum vote. You also skirted the fact that there is still much to talk about and that it is not usual to strike while talks are still ongoin!
This is nothing short of muscle flexing to try and get what they want. I think they should all get round the table and get on with the discussions. My private pension pot was decimated by Gordon Clown and where were the Unions then? (Most at our company were in a Union, but they said there was nothing they could do!) They were quite happy to let that happen because they thought they were protected.. Well, chickens do come home to roost! |
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Anyone know or hear of what "private sector" unions think of the matter, ie loss of jobs, the absence of "gold-plated", inflation proof, LOW contribution pensions schemes that public sector workers have?
Thought so. Would've made interesting reading.
Serious question Mushy...have you perused the Hutton report ?.."
Serious answer. Yes. |
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Anyone know or hear of what "private sector" unions think of the matter, ie loss of jobs, the absence of "gold-plated", inflation proof, LOW contribution pensions schemes that public sector workers have?
Thought so. Would've made interesting reading.
Serious question Mushy...have you perused the Hutton report ?..
Serious answer. Yes."
Fair play.. |
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By *umourCouple
over a year ago
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"STRIKE,throw your toys out of the pram ,the torys are not going to listen get round the table all you like the answer is going to be the same ,throw the gauntlet down ,get off the fence stand and be counted because beleive you me ,unless you are amoung the elite its your pention next
what he said "
But it has already been done to my pension!! By GORDON CLOWN! |
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By *BW38jWoman
over a year ago
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"Anyone who expects hard pressed public sector workers to pay more, work longer and get less is deluding themselves. Add that to the hundreds of thousands of job losses this Government has made to try to balance the books and years of wage restraint / pay freezes and you can see why they are upset. They get my full support and if there is any blame for the strikes then it's David Cameron's. "
thanks
im so sick of people thinking public sector pensions are gold plated. i have worked 24 years in public sector have been threatened attacked and abused for merely doing my job. i have been told for 24 years that i have to accept lower rates of pay 'because the differance is put into your pension'
in 24 yrs i have taken less than 10 days sick leave including when i had horrendous morning sickness. i have worked at home unpaid and never ever been on strike. until tomorrow. by the time i now get my pension 7 years later than promised but less and an paying in an extra 100 per month with no cchoice i cant put the 100 into a private pension,
i am spendiing my day child minding kids of parents who have to go to work.
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"taken from 2009 annual report
Derek Simpson and Tony Woodley, joint general secretaries at the Unite union, both received above-inflation increases, taking their salaries to £97,000 and £93,000 respectively
Not much being said about that is there?
17,00o public sector workers get a pension of over a million..
Not much said about that either.."
these guys represent tens of thousands of members, any ceo with a tenth of that will still be on substantially more...
as for 17,000 etc...
i would also be very surprised if this had any truth in it..
all this bollocks from the tories and their slimy feckin lapdog liberals about we are all in it together..
this is a con, most of the public sector pensions are self funding..
ffs, the teachers pension scheme currently gives the exchequer about a 2 billion return..
they are robbing public sector pensions to fund tax cuts in 2015, end of...
as for the 'private v public sector', when are people going to wake up?? 'Both' are being trodden on and turned against each other by the establishment whilst the rich continue to get richer...
wakey wakey people...
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Dear Prudence...
There`s a sneaky _umour circulating that Germany is printing Deutche Marks...Very droll...Merkels prolly waiting for the elections, before her play...hang on tight..
Britain is a highly indebted economy with almost zero growth....theres no money....we`re a busted flush..pensions ?
There`s only one real answer in the short term...a haircut...a very short haircut...if Dec 9 doesn`t resolve Italys ensueing default...all this shit is a sideshow..
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"taken from 2009 annual report
Derek Simpson and Tony Woodley, joint general secretaries at the Unite union, both received above-inflation increases, taking their salaries to £97,000 and £93,000 respectively
Not much being said about that is there?
17,00o public sector workers get a pension of over a million..
Not much said about that either..
these guys represent tens of thousands of members, any ceo with a tenth of that will still be on substantially more...
as for 17,000 etc...
i would also be very surprised if this had any truth in it..
all this bollocks from the tories and their slimy feckin lapdog liberals about we are all in it together..
this is a con, most of the public sector pensions are self funding..
ffs, the teachers pension scheme currently gives the exchequer about a 2 billion return..
they are robbing public sector pensions to fund tax cuts in 2015, end of...
as for the 'private v public sector', when are people going to wake up?? 'Both' are being trodden on and turned against each other by the establishment whilst the rich continue to get richer...
wakey wakey people...
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The establishment being investment banks and corporate capitlism eh...or mabye the Illuminatti...Goldman Sacks per chance ?
The markets dictate every move...
There`s been two coups in Greece and Italy...corporate fascism et al.. |
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this is a con, most of the public sector pensions are self funding..
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The biggest con of all?
Public sector pensions are not self funding. |
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if italy goes belly up it will bring the whole franco/german experiment tumbling down
it was pretty much doomed from the outset given the 'rules' were 'flexible' lol
then the shite will hit the fan europe wide
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Sheesh! The cranks are really coming out the woodwork now - Illuminati? Coup D'etat? WTF!!
The simple truth of it is that the financial industry across the globe have been dealing in places where there should have been regulations to ensure that the risks they took were kept to a minimum. They were passing off toxic mortgages as a commodity that could be bought and sold when they should have been calling in those mortgages and foreclosing on those who couldn't afford them - in most toxic debt cases, they shouldn't have even issued a mortgage in the first place.
Many Euro-zone countries massaged their finances so that they'd meet the 'stringent' requirements set by Brussels for joining the Euro, but Brussels itself allowed these countries to hide their finances because they were determined to push ahead with the single currency so that it could rival the Dollar and the Yen. They thought they could iron out any discrepancies (read: hide) before anyone noticed or before anything happened that led to the exposure of the level of deceit.
Promising millions of workers generous benefits without the means to pay for it, coupled with all the things I mentioned above was only ever going to lead to one place - where we are now, and now it has to be reckoned with, it has to be paid for one way or another.
The world's finances are screwed up because people have been promised things in the future and there isn't enough money to pay for it, either now, or then, so it has to be withdrawn, and therein lies the problem - you simply cannot justify a promise made with a bed of lies underpinning it. |
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By *ugby 123Couple
over a year ago
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Ok keep it clean please , it is only a debate. |
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over a year ago
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"Sheesh! The cranks are really coming out the woodwork now - Illuminati? Coup D'etat? WTF!!
The simple truth of it is that the financial industry across the globe have been dealing in places where there should have been regulations to ensure that the risks they took were kept to a minimum. They were passing off toxic mortgages as a commodity that could be bought and sold when they should have been calling in those mortgages and foreclosing on those who couldn't afford them - in most toxic debt cases, they shouldn't have even issued a mortgage in the first place.
Many Euro-zone countries massaged their finances so that they'd meet the 'stringent' requirements set by Brussels for joining the Euro, but Brussels itself allowed these countries to hide their finances because they were determined to push ahead with the single currency so that it could rival the Dollar and the Yen. They thought they could iron out any discrepancies (read: hide) before anyone noticed or before anything happened that led to the exposure of the level of deceit.
Promising millions of workers generous benefits without the means to pay for it, coupled with all the things I mentioned above was only ever going to lead to one place - where we are now, and now it has to be reckoned with, it has to be paid for one way or another.
The world's finances are screwed up because people have been promised things in the future and there isn't enough money to pay for it, either now, or then, so it has to be withdrawn, and therein lies the problem - you simply cannot justify a promise made with a bed of lies underpinning it."
You do seem to have a problem with hyperbole....and avoiding the point..
You do really want it both ways..
Shall I cry....ABUSE....rattle and toys..
Technocrats shoehorned into Greece and Italy....either accept or we`ll chuck you to the wolves...seems a fair sypnosis..
Yeah....very simplistic...the financial industry...hahaha..
I`ll ignore you... |
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"I`ll ignore you..."
Feel free, it's a free world after all. Isn't it? |
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"if italy goes belly up it will bring the whole franco/german experiment tumbling down
it was pretty much doomed from the outset given the 'rules' were 'flexible' lol
then the shite will hit the fan europe wide
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Its gathe
ring pace...
Moody is almost joining Standard and Poors in the downgrading of the US credit rating..
Standard and Poor downrated 37 banks today...
Its scary Surrey....I frightened fer me , my family and all I know.. |
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the rich get richer and the poor get poorer its just the way it is....
i think anyway!!
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over a year ago
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"the rich get richer and the poor get poorer its just the way it is....
i think anyway!!
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To be avoided ...it loads the wealth at the top....
Ultimately..consumption dries up...
Then we get a bust...
I think %*.. |
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As someone who had to go on strike last year to maintain our terms and conditions I am 100 per cent behind the public sector workers.
When my company was on strike, the press wrote a lot of lies about our salaries,perks and the reasons behind re strike. We had very little public support.
I firmly believe in working ppl sticking together and supporting each other. To this of you who suggest things like" its an extra xmas shopping day", I wonder what ur attitude will be when it is your job that is targeted? Power to the workers! K x |
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"taken from 2009 annual report
Derek Simpson and Tony Woodley, joint general secretaries at the Unite union, both received above-inflation increases, taking their salaries to £97,000 and £93,000 respectively
Not much being said about that is there?
17,00o public sector workers get a pension of over a million..
Not much said about that either..
these guys represent tens of thousands of members, any ceo with a tenth of that will still be on substantially more...
as for 17,000 etc...
i would also be very surprised if this had any truth in it..
all this bollocks from the tories and their slimy feckin lapdog liberals about we are all in it together..
this is a con, most of the public sector pensions are self funding..
ffs, the teachers pension scheme currently gives the exchequer about a 2 billion return..
they are robbing public sector pensions to fund tax cuts in 2015, end of...
as for the 'private v public sector', when are people going to wake up?? 'Both' are being trodden on and turned against each other by the establishment whilst the rich continue to get richer...
wakey wakey people...
The establishment being investment banks and corporate capitlism eh...or mabye the Illuminatti...Goldman Sacks per chance ?
The markets dictate every move...
There`s been two coups in Greece and Italy...corporate fascism et al.."
Seems some don`t get the joke...or connection...
The Illuminatti were Bavarian...
The only country capable of salvaging the Euro are Germany...principally because they will be the only ones capable of spending the much needed trillions printed by the European Central Bank....they won`t seems to be the best guess..
There`s also other machinations being talked about by the erstwhile Germans..some are visible..they hold the power..
I can`t be fucked to explain the Goldman Sacks connection...work it out...
I`m of to bed ...so I won`t answer..?
Plant some spuds....make some soup %* |
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"the rich get richer and the poor get poorer its just the way it is....
i think anyway!!
To be avoided ...it loads the wealth at the top....
Ultimately..consumption dries up...
Then we get a bust...
I think %*.."
Oh...this is bollocks ...
Look at Spain....
Ready to bust and default...
The cause..a housing bubble and HIGH wages %*
Really gorn..zzzz.. |
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just heard the strike has been called off.
apparently they offered willy warmers to make up for the cut in pensions. |
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The issue with final salary pensions with shortfalls has been around for at least 10-15 years. A lot of companies had issues with shortfalls and closed the schemes immediately and made the shortfall up. These payments were shown in the accounts and public records.
The public sector was and has been aware of those issues during that time and did nothing about it. |
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The issue with final salary pensions with shortfalls has been around for at least 10-15 years. A lot of companies had issues with shortfalls and closed the schemes immediately and made the shortfall up. These payments were shown in the accounts and public records.
The public sector was and has been aware of those issues during that time and did nothing about it. |
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By *athnBobCouple
over a year ago
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Public sector workers have had a pay freeze for 2-3 years and are now faced with a maximum average (whatever that means) pay rise of 1% for the next 2 years. Fuel has risen from 82p a litre in 2004 to c.£1.40 today. Energy rises of 15%. Food bills going through the roof.
People wonder why public sector workers are pissed
I gave up a lucrative job in the private sector and spent several years retraining to get into the public sector. When I joined the public sector I earned 20% less than I had earned before the retraining.
I knew this would happen, I had planned for it. It was a decision based on the pension. I earn less (and work a damn sight harder) FOR that pension.
The simple truth is I am now considering going back to my old job. To keep me (and I am damn good at my job) the government will have to leave my pension alone OR pay me more to match my private sector wage. |
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By *umourCouple
over a year ago
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"Public sector workers have had a pay freeze for 2-3 years and are now faced with a maximum average (whatever that means) pay rise of 1% for the next 2 years. Fuel has risen from 82p a litre in 2004 to c.£1.40 today. Energy rises of 15%. Food bills going through the roof.
People wonder why public sector workers are pissed
I gave up a lucrative job in the private sector and spent several years retraining to get into the public sector. When I joined the public sector I earned 20% less than I had earned before the retraining.
I knew this would happen, I had planned for it. It was a decision based on the pension. I earn less (and work a damn sight harder) FOR that pension.
The simple truth is I am now considering going back to my old job. To keep me (and I am damn good at my job) the government will have to leave my pension alone OR pay me more to match my private sector wage."
You really believe that the Public Sector are the only ones to have had a pay freeze, job losses and pension reforms? The Private Sector has been going through this for at least the last three years!
Mrs R has had to go from a very good "final salary" scheme to a mediocre standard pension! Her salary has been frozen for three years and that looks set to continue... Her job is nowhere near as secure as even the most fragile Public Sector job and he salary is around 8% less than a comparable Public Sector equivalent!
Due to many factors mainly that no one is spending, my business in in the process of being wound up and that means no income from me! My private pension is worth way less than it should have been due to Gordon Clown raiding my pot! My prospects for a job at my age? Very low as all the help is being targeted at the young...
So why should we, the masses who are privately employed, pay for Public Sector pensions?
How did we get in this mess? I have definite views and I have no doubt that they would be very unpopular as they concern Working Tax Credits and the whole benefits culture/system!
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The most worrying aspect is the way people are at each others throats.
Divide and conquer! And don't you all just fall for it .... self interested and pious.
Every person counts. Public? Private? Ludicrous.
Why does everyone battle against someone who is not an enemy ? |
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"The issue with final salary pensions with shortfalls has been around for at least 10-15 years. A lot of companies had issues with shortfalls and closed the schemes immediately and made the shortfall up. These payments were shown in the accounts and public records.
The public sector was and has been aware of those issues during that time and did nothing about it."
Nothing ? Really ? Change your sources of information or back up what is a very misleading and empty statement. |
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time to put my two pence in now
The goverment is in a shit state the uk is in a shit state. so many factors have got us to this point though and yes something needs to be done about it all.
However it really pisses me off when all these strikes go on because as always who has to step in to cover the short comings oh its the armed forces again who are being cut back to stupid levels even though they are still fighting a war and barley have enough man power as it is. Oh and they are not aloud to strike either just do as they are told and once they have helped clean up the mess of those stricking its back to getting ready to go away from thier families again |
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"I gave up a lucrative job in the private sector and spent several years retraining to get into the public sector. When I joined the public sector I earned 20% less than I had earned before the retraining."
You made that choice to leave your lucrative private sector job and go into the public sector. You don't give your reasons for doing so though.
Now, when it doesn't suit you anymore, you're going back to the private sector, which leaves people to belive that you switched from private to public and back again for purely mercenary reasons. |
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over a year ago
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"time to put my two pence in now
The goverment is in a shit state the uk is in a shit state. so many factors have got us to this point though and yes something needs to be done about it all.
However it really pisses me off when all these strikes go on because as always who has to step in to cover the short comings oh its the armed forces again who are being cut back to stupid levels even though they are still fighting a war and barley have enough man power as it is. Oh and they are not aloud to strike either just do as they are told and once they have helped clean up the mess of those stricking its back to getting ready to go away from thier families again "
Any member of the armed forced isn't being forced to be a soldier, flyboy or seaman. They do it through choice, and build themselves a nice career out of it too if they are so inclined. You cannot choose which govt policies you will endorse and which you won't as you accepted whatever orders are issued to you when you signed on and took the Queen's Shilling. It's a bit rich to complain now that the govt are entitled to use whatever personnel they have in their employ to fill the breach where and when it needs them. |
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this is a con, most of the public sector pensions are self funding..
The biggest con of all?
Public sector pensions are not self funding. "
how would we ever know the govt are refusing to release the figure which is against the Hutton Report ...this will cost even mmore in the future it will mean more industrial action including the dreaded work to rule . 4 teaching unions have already voted for it with the rest to follow ,there is only so far you can go with shafting the british public after which they become very very bloody minded. |
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over a year ago
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thats not the point i am trying to make all i was saying that everytime the public sector throws a paddy its the armed forces to have to deal with it. which they always do well yet they dont have the option to strike and sorry if they signed on the dotted line to be a soldier im sure they didnt think that would mean driving round in a battered old fire truck fighting fires in the uk ? |
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over a year ago
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"thats not the point i am trying to make all i was saying that everytime the public sector throws a paddy its the armed forces to have to deal with it. which they always do well yet they dont have the option to strike and sorry if they signed on the dotted line to be a soldier im sure they didnt think that would mean driving round in a battered old fire truck fighting fires in the uk ?"
Being a soldier isn't just about pointing a gun and pulling the trigger. Getting involved in public services in times of crises gives the armed services invaluable experience when they are subsequently sent to places where the operations don't stop when the fighting ceases and they have to remain behind to run the public services of Iraq, or Afghanistan, for example. Having vital experience in the logistics of running a town and it's municipal services is something they'd never get if they didn't train for it over here, and how better to do that than in a live environment. |
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By *ofakindCouple
over a year ago
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Ah pensions, never thought about my own, not that ive ever been able to afford it anyway, i was made redundant at the end of june (shit happens) took a job 80 miles away from home 90 hours (7 days) a week for all of...... £3ph, 3 pound a fuckin hour, to not see family, friends or my little boy at christmas
Now somedays i might wear joggers (not trackys!!) with a hoody, but when i do the amount of times i get called a dirty chav is unreal... Working my bollocks off to have maybe a fiver to spend at the end of every week.
So wish i could strike but if i did i wouldnt have a job tomorrow |
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over a year ago
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Ahem... there is a law in this country regarding the MINIMUM amount a person can work for, and it is substantially more than £3/hour. If you are prepared to put up with this and take a right royal shafting then you can't really blame everyone else for your situation, can you.
A job paying slave wages is not a job. |
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over a year ago
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"thats not the point i am trying to make all i was saying that everytime the public sector throws a paddy its the armed forces to have to deal with it. which they always do well yet they dont have the option to strike and sorry if they signed on the dotted line to be a soldier im sure they didnt think that would mean driving round in a battered old fire truck fighting fires in the uk ?
Being a soldier isn't just about pointing a gun and pulling the trigger. Getting involved in public services in times of crises gives the armed services invaluable experience when they are subsequently sent to places where the operations don't stop when the fighting ceases and they have to remain behind to run the public services of Iraq, or Afghanistan, for example. Having vital experience in the logistics of running a town and it's municipal services is something they'd never get if they didn't train for it over here, and how better to do that than in a live environment."
I agree real life is much better training. Will go and hide in my box as this debate could take over the forum |
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By *ofakindCouple
over a year ago
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"Ahem... there is a law in this country regarding the MINIMUM amount a person can work for, and it is substantially more than £3/hour. If you are prepared to put up with this and take a right royal shafting then you can't really blame everyone else for your situation, can you.
A job paying slave wages is not a job."
But its a job, i could be sat home on the dole to get a little more, but where would my morals be if i did? |
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over a year ago
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It's a nice day for the strikers to do their Xmas shopping...
And they still won't get what they want.
Any one want to quote when strikers got what they wanted by striking (Modern times please)? |
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"Ah pensions, never thought about my own, not that ive ever been able to afford it anyway, i was made redundant at the end of june (shit happens) took a job 80 miles away from home 90 hours (7 days) a week for all of...... £3ph, 3 pound a fuckin hour, to not see family, friends or my little boy at christmas
Now somedays i might wear joggers (not trackys!!) with a hoody, but when i do the amount of times i get called a dirty chav is unreal... Working my bollocks off to have maybe a fiver to spend at the end of every week.
So wish i could strike but if i did i wouldnt have a job tomorrow "
Lucky you. It doesn't sound worth having. |
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over a year ago
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3 quid an hour, a 90 hour 7 day week?
And you wonder why people are out striking to protect workers' rights and benefits?
Is there any clearer example of the need to do it? |
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over a year ago
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"Ahem... there is a law in this country regarding the MINIMUM amount a person can work for, and it is substantially more than £3/hour. If you are prepared to put up with this and take a right royal shafting then you can't really blame everyone else for your situation, can you.
A job paying slave wages is not a job.
But its a job, i could be sat home on the dole to get a little more, but where would my morals be if i did?"
You are permitting companies to break the minimum wage law by working under the limit and not reporting these people. If you went to the JSA Centre and told them you were working for £3/hour they'd have that company shut down immediately. Have you also considered that you can claim working tax credit because you are eaning such a low wage but you can sure that as soon as you tell them how much you're earning per hour they'll also want to know for who so they can shut them down.
You are not 'working' for this 'company', you are slaving yourself out to them willingly. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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We are all in the same boat here are we not! Many of us are suffering.
I think the difference is that some people are suffering for the first time.
Many people in this country have been suffering all of their working lives and just get on with it!
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over a year ago
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Absolutely agree with Wishy.
If you're 23 years old you should be on NMW of £6.08. What are you doing for 3 quid an hour? |
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"thats not the point i am trying to make all i was saying that everytime the public sector throws a paddy its the armed forces to have to deal with it. which they always do well yet they dont have the option to strike and sorry if they signed on the dotted line to be a soldier im sure they didnt think that would mean driving round in a battered old fire truck fighting fires in the uk ?"
Throwing a paddy ? Being condecending is hardly going to be popular.
Your point lacks any merit once you reduce peoples political choices to immature emotionality.
Agree with it or not there is no need for insult.
Oh let's be pals about it.
Would you please tell the armed forces to stop spitting their dummies out over not having the latest fire engines in a crisis please...... thanks xxxx |
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over a year ago
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"3 quid an hour, a 90 hour 7 day week?
And you wonder why people are out striking to protect workers' rights and benefits?
Is there any clearer example of the need to do it?"
They are not striking for _ofakind, they are striking for THEMSELVES! |
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over a year ago
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Worker's rights are a universal principle and well worth everyone protecting.
It's not selfish at all. What is selfish is the "I'm alright Jack" culture that has pervaded this country for a long while.
What ever happened to being your brother's keeper? Nowadays it's all for one and sod the rest. |
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over a year ago
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"It's a nice day for the strikers to do their Xmas shopping...
And they still won't get what they want.
Any one want to quote when strikers got what they wanted by striking (Modern times please)?"
Actually, yes, I can.
I worked for the Post Office in 2002 and the PO wanted to sell the cash handling part of the business (the ones who deliver cash/stamps etc to the sub-Post Offices), to Securicor.
Many of the guys working at CHD (Cash Handling & Distribution) used to work for Securicor and didn't like the way Securicor treated it's staff, and so came to CHD.
The union argued that the Post Office wasn't just selling a part of a business as it was the people who worked for it that made it such a viable enterprise, and that they couldn't 'sell' people and force them to work for someone they didn't want to work for.
It was a closed shop in those days and a ballot was called for industrial action and almost everyone voted in it and voted to strike, myself included. Playing football in the car park and then huddling round an oil drum fire is good fun. (Someone always knows where to get an oil drum when there is a strike on!)
The postal workers union (CWU) was/is a strong union with what was then good leadership, and certainly a force to be reckoned with. |
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"Finally I applaud the unions for at least having a go their campaigne is not "save our pensions" ...it is "fair pensions for all" ....including the private sector ..to me pensions are a cross party issue and too important to be a political football.I am ashamed at how the brit govt have allowed piss poor pensions in the private sectors while allowing multi-national corporations to coin it in and raid our economy.
So if you go yahh boo to the public sector, remember they are saying fuck you on behalf of the private sector too.
So, let me get this straight, if the unions win, the private sector will get a lovely nice pension out of it too?
Will they fuck.
The unions will simply crow about a victory for their members and bugger all will be done for non-union members. Wake up PD, the union leadership have only themselves and their relative powerbases in mind and nothing else.
Osbourne is doing a fine balancing act in trying to stay on target with the deficit whilst finding funds to allow businesses to grow during these tough times. I think he's doing a great job considering what he was left to work with from Break Britain & Bugger Off Blair & Brown."
lol wakwe up pd ....what press are you looking at wishy the tory spin machine .
"Doing a great Job" lmfao ..
240,000 public service employees no longer economically active and collecting benefits.
1 million under 25s on the dole
Borrowing shooting through even labours borrowing targets
Women bearing the brunt of the cuts as generally they are the lowest paid
The price of food up 20% in a year
The price of fuel up
Vat up (with no mandate)
Billions lost in procurement contracts
Alienation of 25% of the workforce and an attempt to get the working classes fighting each other
Banks sold at a pittance of there book value
Bankers once again let off the hook
paying themselves millions in bonuses
(actually i fully expected this from the tories i am not surprised,but the liberals who did nothing but bleat in opposition about tight regulation and Cable saying every publicly owned bank should have a public director on the board ,has he made that happen ...has he fuck )
How about the cutting of services to the weakest in society
Student loans "no mandate" (in fact the ultimate broken promise)
Border controls screwed because of the cuts .
Growth targets off,no credit for business.
Armed forces cut (with the Americans saying Britain is no longer a credible world power)
Riots on the streets of London and major UK cities (even maggie didnt manage that till mid term )
The french being able to tell a British PM to fuck off and keep his nose out ,how politically naive Cameron is.
The pathetic dithering of Cameron over the phone hacking at PMQ's until the British people intervened and the tipping point against murdoch was undeniable.
Fuel companies making massive unchecked profits while the poor and elderly shiver and worry about whether its heat or eat
The "NHS is safe in our hands" what a joke staff demoralised ,backdoor privatisation of hospitals.
I could go on and on and on, in the first year alone this government missed 87 of its own targets, Tbh wishy if thats your idea of a "good job" you have pretty low expectations of the coalition.
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"The most worrying aspect is the way people are at each others throats.
Divide and conquer! And don't you all just fall for it .... self interested and pious.
Every person counts. Public? Private? Ludicrous.
Why does everyone battle against someone who is not an enemy ? "
Wonderful Granny.
People just seem to lap up the propaganda that feeds their individual self interest and let themselves be manipulated into 'infighting' with created enemies.
Put your political party ideology to one side, look at the facts, isolate and discard the propaganda. |
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Britain like Spain is a country that is highly indebted, with zero growth...
Good times in their economies were built on housing bubbles..
We`re heading for recession, the situation gets even more desperate, a lack of tax receipts ( incomings ) and increasing unemployment ( outgoings )..
Two things seperate each countries position...
Britain is not in the Euro..
We can raise money on the international bond markets...at affordable rates, beause we`re seen as credit worthy...( tho our banks aren`t AAA, they were reently downgraded )
Yesterday Autumn statement was written for the bond markets ear....
The ONLY thing that allows us to raise money, is the markets confidence that we`re able to sort our debt out...cut costs...a bloated public sector in GB, is universally understood as an albatross in the international community...we can`t have a parochrial outlook...it`ll sink us..
We can`t grow out of it....result= no money...
So..fellow brethen...we have to accept austerity...else, sooner than Homer makes another contribution....we are fucked...the bond markets will make our situation just like Spains....ready to fold...
Its like the war....our country, needs unity...our country is at stake...
Anyone else..notice the haunted look on Camerons face...
Poor bastard...hes holding the baby....can`t do anything but prey (sic), the markets are kind..and believe we`re serious about austerity...
I see GB is being looked at by credit ratings..Moody.. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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our little ones teachers have decided not to strike so we are ok xx |
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"3 quid an hour, a 90 hour 7 day week?
And you wonder why people are out striking to protect workers' rights and benefits?
Is there any clearer example of the need to do it?"
Care to mention the type of work they do?
It doesn't sound right to me and man yon here...
There is a min wage, and there is a working time directive, and a contract of employment.
But obviously you have some facts as you have quoted them... |
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Osbourne is doing a fine balancing act in trying to stay on target with the deficit whilst finding funds to allow businesses to grow during these tough times. I think he's doing a great job considering what he was left to work with from Break Britain & Bugger Off Blair & Brown."
Propaganda! I think most people are fed up with Brown and Blair still being blamed for all our woes. The fact is up until just before the election the Tories supported the majority of Browns spending plans. They definitely 100% supported the bank bailout. It's so easy to forget that not long before the election political commentators regularly highlighted that there was little difference between the two major parties. The lib send were seen as the ones with an alternate argument.
Plan A has simply not worked, Osbourne has been forced to change direction, the facts of yesterday spell that out. |
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over a year ago
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Lib 'dems'. |
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how many of th 90 hours are actually spent at work, travelling time to and from work is not counted in your rate of pay unless you are working away from home, so this may not be teh whole truth taht you only get paid £3 an hour, soemthing other posters seem to have missed
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over a year ago
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"
Osbourne is doing a fine balancing act in trying to stay on target with the deficit whilst finding funds to allow businesses to grow during these tough times. I think he's doing a great job considering what he was left to work with from Break Britain & Bugger Off Blair & Brown.
Propaganda! I think most people are fed up with Brown and Blair still being blamed for all our woes. The fact is up until just before the election the Tories supported the majority of Browns spending plans. They definitely 100% supported the bank bailout. It's so easy to forget that not long before the election political commentators regularly highlighted that there was little difference between the two major parties. The lib send were seen as the ones with an alternate argument.
Plan A has simply not worked, Osbourne has been forced to change direction, the facts of yesterday spell that out. "
Spot on...
Two external events have mitiagated both parties fiscal and monetary policies...
The credit crunch...
The Euro...
GO did a volte face yesterday...some Keynesian policies, tho I fear, much to little to late...
We`re in desperate times..the political landscape is changing..
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"Britain like Spain is a country that is highly indebted, with zero growth...
Good times in their economies were built on housing bubbles..
We`re heading for recession, the situation gets even more desperate, a lack of tax receipts ( incomings ) and increasing unemployment ( outgoings )..
Two things seperate each countries position...
Britain is not in the Euro..
We can raise money on the international bond markets...at affordable rates, beause we`re seen as credit worthy...( tho our banks aren`t AAA, they were reently downgraded )
Yesterday Autumn statement was written for the bond markets ear....
The ONLY thing that allows us to raise money, is the markets confidence that we`re able to sort our debt out...cut costs...a bloated public sector in GB, is universally understood as an albatross in the international community...we can`t have a parochrial outlook...it`ll sink us..
We can`t grow out of it....result= no money...
So..fellow brethen...we have to accept austerity...else, sooner than Homer makes another contribution....we are fucked...the bond markets will make our situation just like Spains....ready to fold...
Its like the war....our country, needs unity...our country is at stake...
Anyone else..notice the haunted look on Camerons face...
Poor bastard...hes holding the baby....can`t do anything but prey (sic), the markets are kind..and believe we`re serious about austerity...
I see GB is being looked at by credit ratings..Moody.."
The difference is at the moment our debt is equivaslent of 11.9% of gdp
we are not spain and that is why our bond rate is low (lower than the Germans at the moment ),the highest our debt has been is 250% of gdp just post war, that puts the level of public debt into perspective.
Since then it has averaged 8.9% of gdp
the lowest being under Gordy who paid some of it off.
i think it eit is the private debt level, that is the problem not sovereign debt every family in the uk owing an average of 30k . All euro economies were funded on personal Credit but the money go round is now less liquid ....perhaps its the chinese sitting on 4 trillion dollars and keeping there own currency artificially low ....who incidently are frantically trying to extend there world influence by building a high tech navy,A real first for them
I suspect its time for a global Time boycott of chinese goods,which is the way the Americans are leaning.If they do not revalue the yen.
But i so love my local chinky and cant find any uk products since the 80s and 90s ...tut looks like thats it then
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At the end of the day it is a so called coalition they promised to listen to the people have they or have they just pulled the rug from under us the people are fed up of not being listened to or heard or constantly being talked down to. The people have a voice and are standing up for what they believe and this seems to be the only way after all it has got people talking. |
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"we need to stop bailing every fkr else out . thats what we need to do"
as been mentioned on forum before,why are we still giving billons to china and india?,in india they have a big nuclear programme so our money is not feeding/housing the needy,and in china they are a big manufacturing giant who are bigger,better off than us!,they have taken our manufacturing industry and are selling back to us!.
we are just hovering above third world status at the moment. |
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By *yrdwomanWoman
over a year ago
Putting the 'cum' in Eboracum |
Just found out there are no buses in York today. Most buses in York are run by First, which is very definitely not a public sector company. So what are they striking for? |
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"Britain like Spain is a country that is highly indebted, with zero growth...
Good times in their economies were built on housing bubbles..
We`re heading for recession, the situation gets even more desperate, a lack of tax receipts ( incomings ) and increasing unemployment ( outgoings )..
Two things seperate each countries position...
Britain is not in the Euro..
We can raise money on the international bond markets...at affordable rates, beause we`re seen as credit worthy...( tho our banks aren`t AAA, they were reently downgraded )
Yesterday Autumn statement was written for the bond markets ear....
The ONLY thing that allows us to raise money, is the markets confidence that we`re able to sort our debt out...cut costs...a bloated public sector in GB, is universally understood as an albatross in the international community...we can`t have a parochrial outlook...it`ll sink us..
We can`t grow out of it....result= no money...
So..fellow brethen...we have to accept austerity...else, sooner than Homer makes another contribution....we are fucked...the bond markets will make our situation just like Spains....ready to fold...
Its like the war....our country, needs unity...our country is at stake...
Anyone else..notice the haunted look on Camerons face...
Poor bastard...hes holding the baby....can`t do anything but prey (sic), the markets are kind..and believe we`re serious about austerity...
I see GB is being looked at by credit ratings..Moody..
The difference is at the moment our debt is equivaslent of 11.9% of gdp
we are not spain and that is why our bond rate is low (lower than the Germans at the moment ),the highest our debt has been is 250% of gdp just post war, that puts the level of public debt into perspective.
Since then it has averaged 8.9% of gdp
the lowest being under Gordy who paid some of it off.
i think it eit is the private debt level, that is the problem not sovereign debt every family in the uk owing an average of 30k . All euro economies were funded on personal Credit but the money go round is now less liquid ....perhaps its the chinese sitting on 4 trillion dollars and keeping there own currency artificially low ....who incidently are frantically trying to extend there world influence by building a high tech navy,A real first for them
I suspect its time for a global Time boycott of chinese goods,which is the way the Americans are leaning.If they do not revalue the yen.
But i so love my local chinky and cant find any uk products since the 80s and 90s ...tut looks like thats it then
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An intelligent post...
It would be churlish to argue against it,
Tho...I`ll stick to my thrust, that we are at the mercy of the bond markets...our governments approach to our predictament is crucial...
The only thing saving the Euro, which is the game changer is theres more money to be strangled out of the voilotility in the Euro....massive money to private investors and hedge funds..
Yeah...America is talking about sanctions against China...on the QT..
Brazil is furious s`well...
Bit of a side show..
YES..there is a liquidity problem....banks are bust...
But at source..everyone is holding onto money..because of insolvency...its high risk to lend at the mo...
The toxic debt..is still present...
Forensically audit the major investment banks...
The fraudlent and criminal...need hauling before the courts and thrown in jail....for a very long time.. |
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"Britain like Spain is a country that is highly indebted, with zero growth...
Good times in their economies were built on housing bubbles..
We`re heading for recession, the situation gets even more desperate, a lack of tax receipts ( incomings ) and increasing unemployment ( outgoings )..
Two things seperate each countries position...
Britain is not in the Euro..
We can raise money on the international bond markets...at affordable rates, beause we`re seen as credit worthy...( tho our banks aren`t AAA, they were reently downgraded )
Yesterday Autumn statement was written for the bond markets ear....
The ONLY thing that allows us to raise money, is the markets confidence that we`re able to sort our debt out...cut costs...a bloated public sector in GB, is universally understood as an albatross in the international community...we can`t have a parochrial outlook...it`ll sink us..
We can`t grow out of it....result= no money...
So..fellow brethen...we have to accept austerity...else, sooner than Homer makes another contribution....we are fucked...the bond markets will make our situation just like Spains....ready to fold...
Its like the war....our country, needs unity...our country is at stake...
Anyone else..notice the haunted look on Camerons face...
Poor bastard...hes holding the baby....can`t do anything but prey (sic), the markets are kind..and believe we`re serious about austerity...
I see GB is being looked at by credit ratings..Moody..
The difference is at the moment our debt is equivaslent of 11.9% of gdp
we are not spain and that is why our bond rate is low (lower than the Germans at the moment ),the highest our debt has been is 250% of gdp just post war, that puts the level of public debt into perspective.
Since then it has averaged 8.9% of gdp
the lowest being under Gordy who paid some of it off.
i think it eit is the private debt level, that is the problem not sovereign debt every family in the uk owing an average of 30k . All euro economies were funded on personal Credit but the money go round is now less liquid ....perhaps its the chinese sitting on 4 trillion dollars and keeping there own currency artificially low ....who incidently are frantically trying to extend there world influence by building a high tech navy,A real first for them
I suspect its time for a global Time boycott of chinese goods,which is the way the Americans are leaning.If they do not revalue the yen.
But i so love my local chinky and cant find any uk products since the 80s and 90s ...tut looks like thats it then
An intelligent post...
It would be churlish to argue against it,
Tho...I`ll stick to my thrust, that we are at the mercy of the bond markets...our governments approach to our predictament is crucial...
The only thing saving the Euro, which is the game changer is theres more money to be strangled out of the voilotility in the Euro....massive money to private investors and hedge funds..
Yeah...America is talking about sanctions against China...on the QT..
Brazil is furious s`well...
Bit of a side show..
YES..there is a liquidity problem....banks are bust...
But at source..everyone is holding onto money..because of insolvency...its high risk to lend at the mo...
The toxic debt..is still present...
Forensically audit the major investment banks...
The fraudlent and criminal...need hauling before the courts and thrown in jail....for a very long time.."
I totally agree about the Euro ,but how has the EU been able to get away without having its books signed off for over 14 years !!! More bank and multi -govt incompetence ? ...no the slippy EU simply exempted themselves from any freedom of information requests.
Re the Banker Wankers ,yep haul em before the courts ,and also shame the rich who evade and avoid tax (there is a difference) and ban the fuckers from holding public office.
Restrict the Corporation of London and stop them from being the Cities lobby group ..ffsake they even have a unelected seat in the house of commons !! make em declare the £6 billion + of hidden assets (once again somehow exempt the freedom of information requirements) and raid it for the public good.
In our society we have the mega rich ,the rich ,the middle and the poor.
In my opinion a country has to be judged on how it treats its weakest people not how it looks after the rich ....does that make me a lefty ? ,i dont give a fuck,
i just know that the quantitive easing ..ie the bank of england hitting a button and creating billions of pounds needs to be directed to the poor who have no choice but to spend it ...no to the banks who are sitting on it to make em look more liquid than they are creating trickle up poverty. |
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Osbourne is doing a fine balancing act in trying to stay on target with the deficit whilst finding funds to allow businesses to grow during these tough times. I think he's doing a great job considering what he was left to work with from Break Britain & Bugger Off Blair & Brown.
Propaganda! I think most people are fed up with Brown and Blair still being blamed for all our woes. The fact is up until just before the election the Tories supported the majority of Browns spending plans. They definitely 100% supported the bank bailout. It's so easy to forget that not long before the election political commentators regularly highlighted that there was little difference between the two major parties. The lib send were seen as the ones with an alternate argument.
Plan A has simply not worked, Osbourne has been forced to change direction, the facts of yesterday spell that out. "
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I totally agree about the Euro ,but how has the EU been able to get away without having its books signed off for over 14 years !!! More bank and multi -govt incompetence ? ...no the slippy EU simply exempted themselves from any freedom of information requests.
Re the Banker Wankers ,yep haul em before the courts ,and also shame the rich who evade and avoid tax (there is a difference) and ban the fuckers from holding public office.
Restrict the Corporation of London and stop them from being the Cities lobby group ..ffsake they even have a unelected seat in the house of commons !! make em declare the £6 billion + of hidden assets (once again somehow exempt the freedom of information requirements) and raid it for the public good.
In our society we have the mega rich ,the rich ,the middle and the poor.
In my opinion a country has to be judged on how it treats its weakest people not how it looks after the rich ....does that make me a lefty ? ,i dont give a fuck,
i just know that the quantitive easing ..ie the bank of england hitting a button and creating billions of pounds needs to be directed to the poor who have no choice but to spend it ...no to the banks who are sitting on it to make em look more liquid than they are creating trickle up poverty."
Banks are putting their money in the ECB...at almost no return, rather that than risk it with anyone else..
I like the suggestion of the ECB, biting the bullet and printing trillions to fund a VAT cut thru the Eurozone..VAT is such a regressive tax anyhow..it penalises the poor at source...it would need the consent of the Bavarians tho...so thats fucked then..
I think, by talking to some, they don`t understand if the Euro goes, we, that is GB, will sink..
Lose our AAA rating, interest rates will soar,
We`ll more than likely default...
This will culminate in the pensions that people are striking over will be GONE....and the contracts that cover them..that will be austerity...
I think we have been riding a bubble, on the backs of workers in emerging economies, paid peanuts....inflated profits here,and good living fer those who shop in Primark and Marks to name a few.. but no impact on the private debt mayhaps..
Another thought...the banking collapse in the Western World will prolly hit the rich disproportionately....tho the smart money is going into gilt and art eh...thats a pretty picture !!
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Just returned from a cold day on the picket line at my local hospital. We have had a lot of public support today, and it just goes to show that we are not alone in our beleifs. Some of you may disagree, and even if this never changes things, today people united against the system which rewards the workshy and the rich, and I for one was proud to take part in it! POWER TO THE PEOPLE!!! |
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some know the hard work and suffering that went into get all emploies better conditions and hope for their future, ya cant let go with out a fight |
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Pleasure and Dave both make some very good points.
People need to realise there is a big elephant in the room, the Euro. These strikes, the pension crisis, the current cuts, even the 2008 credit crunch and the bailout that followed......all just paddling pool stuff, if the Euro goes down prepare for a tsunami.
The landscape isn't changing, it has already changed. This is why I feel frustration at the persistent party politics and ideology that is sprouted. The politicians are not in control of this, the markets are.
We need a whole new thinking based on the acceptance that we ARE all in this together. Time to stop blaming the past and to openly, transparently and cross party look at solid solutions for even the worst eventuality, even if the ideas and decisions set new precedent. We are where we are.
Decisions in Germany over the next few weeks far outway anything Cameron and Osbourne can do right now, and what's more, they know it. |
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"Just returned from a cold day on the picket line at my local hospital. We have had a lot of public support today, and it just goes to show that we are not alone in our beleifs. Some of you may disagree, and even if this never changes things, today people united against the system which rewards the workshy and the rich, and I for one was proud to take part in it! POWER TO THE PEOPLE!!!"
Well done Miss D.
Just seen the lads and lasses at my local hospital out on the lines. Good on em.
Power to the People!!!! |
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"Pleasure and Dave both make some very good points.
People need to realise there is a big elephant in the room, the Euro. These strikes, the pension crisis, the current cuts, even the 2008 credit crunch and the bailout that followed......all just paddling pool stuff, if the Euro goes down prepare for a tsunami.
The landscape isn't changing, it has already changed. This is why I feel frustration at the persistent party politics and ideology that is sprouted. The politicians are not in control of this, the markets are.
We need a whole new thinking based on the acceptance that we ARE all in this together. Time to stop blaming the past and to openly, transparently and cross party look at solid solutions for even the worst eventuality, even if the ideas and decisions set new precedent. We are where we are.
Decisions in Germany over the next few weeks far outway anything Cameron and Osbourne can do right now, and what's more, they know it. "
Yep..
Its over to you Angela Merkel...do Germany have the political will, I personally don`t think so...
It seems obvious to me that the markets are driving the politicians...look how many changes of heads of states, there has been in the EuroZone...and how many are adopting the German model, to calm the markets...supposedly..
Dave and George are licked dogs, could just as well be Ed and Ed..
We desperately need a real coalition..working in the national interest..all are futures are at stake..
I`m at home with Delhi belly, and caught Prime Ministers questions, a more depressing spectacle of yaboo politics given the issues, I can`t imagine...lamentable...and like you I feel frustrated, and personally very worried..
We should all demand change in our political class and their behaviour...everyone should write to their MP`s.. |
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Osbourne is doing a fine balancing act in trying to stay on target with the deficit whilst finding funds to allow businesses to grow during these tough times. I think he's doing a great job considering what he was left to work with from Break Britain & Bugger Off Blair & Brown.
Propaganda! I think most people are fed up with Brown and Blair still being blamed for all our woes. The fact is up until just before the election the Tories supported the majority of Browns spending plans. They definitely 100% supported the bank bailout. It's so easy to forget that not long before the election political commentators regularly highlighted that there was little difference between the two major parties. The lib send were seen as the ones with an alternate argument.
Plan A has simply not worked, Osbourne has been forced to change direction, the facts of yesterday spell that out. "
It's only been two years since the last inept Labout govt was unceremoniously kicked out of office, and it's going to take a lot more than two years to correct what they did to this country. If people are fed up of being reminded who took this country to the edge of the abyss then they are simply burying their heads in the sand in the hope 'it will all have gone away' by the time they decide to raise their heads above the parapet and see if it's safe to come out again.
Brown & Blair DID almost bankrupt this country with their reckless policies of spending to hide the fact that Ship GB was heading straight for the rocks.
The banking crisis didn't come about until very late in the Labour administration but it acted as a catalyst to bring home a decade of bad policies that had been introduced by a govt who couldn't be seen to backtrack from them and then suddenly found that when they went to the cupboard they found it empty.
No, it's going to take at least until the next election in 2015 to sort this mess out and I am so glad we finally have a responsible man at the helm of the nation's finances who has the balls to say, "It's gonna hurt - a lot - but it'll be worth it in the end."
Cameron may come across as Mr. U-Turn, but Osbourne doesn't know the meaning of the phrase and he has his plans well set out in his mind. I'm prepared to give him a chance to put them in action, because, tbh, the alternative makes me tremble with fear if Labour ever manage to get their useless paws on the country's economy again. |
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By *obletonMan
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.....and caught Prime Ministers questions....
nasty! is it cureable?"
I dunno... ..I need a second reading.. |
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nasty! is it cureable?"
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By *ucky_LadsCouple (MM)
over a year ago
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"Ah pensions, never thought about my own, not that ive ever been able to afford it anyway, i was made redundant at the end of june (shit happens) took a job 80 miles away from home 90 hours (7 days) a week for all of...... £3ph, 3 pound a fuckin hour, to not see family, friends or my little boy at christmas
Now somedays i might wear joggers (not trackys!!) with a hoody, but when i do the amount of times i get called a dirty chav is unreal... Working my bollocks off to have maybe a fiver to spend at the end of every week.
So wish i could strike but if i did i wouldnt have a job tomorrow
Lucky you. It doesn't sound worth having."
but at least is getting of their arse and getting out and working!,perhaps might be better off by staying at home all day and watching tv such as jezz kyle and the scumbags but would then be branded a scumbag like them for not working and payig their own way!. |
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"Ah pensions, never thought about my own, not that ive ever been able to afford it anyway, i was made redundant at the end of june (shit happens) took a job 80 miles away from home 90 hours (7 days) a week for all of...... £3ph, 3 pound a fuckin hour, to not see family, friends or my little boy at christmas
Now somedays i might wear joggers (not trackys!!) with a hoody, but when i do the amount of times i get called a dirty chav is unreal... Working my bollocks off to have maybe a fiver to spend at the end of every week.
So wish i could strike but if i did i wouldnt have a job tomorrow
Lucky you. It doesn't sound worth having.
but at least is getting of their arse and getting out and working!,perhaps might be better off by staying at home all day and watching tv such as jezz kyle and the scumbags but would then be branded a scumbag like them for not working and payig their own way!. "
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And obviously all unemployed ppl are this way because it is their choice, for gawds sake"
this maybe true, but the fact is that alot of people turn their noses up at jobs that they think benieth them.
surely any job is better than no job |
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Makes a quick dash cross the page......in a sparkly Tshirt with the word " homerphobic " emblazoned in bold letters....
I`m hoping fer some sort of immunity..
I ain`t replying to quips " where`s Marge " |
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Just for the record I am doing a training course tomorrow and the instructor isn't on strike - well as far as I know he/she isn't anyway"
the trainer is probably a highly paid consultant - they mostly are as opposed to a civil servant |
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And obviously all unemployed ppl are this way because it is their choice, for gawds sake
this maybe true, but the fact is that alot of people turn their noses up at jobs that they think benieth them.
surely any job is better than no job"
Surely any cock is better than none ?
Sure some on here have turned their noses up. i dont think you should generalise is all, lots of ppl loseing jobs, lots looking for jobs, lots too old for jobs, lots too young, they all wearing trackies watching jezza then? |
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it was today... wasn't it?
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"Just returned from a cold day on the picket line at my local hospital. We have had a lot of public support today, and it just goes to show that we are not alone in our beleifs. Some of you may disagree, and even if this never changes things, today people united against the system which rewards the workshy and the rich, and I for one was proud to take part in it! POWER TO THE PEOPLE!!!
Well done Miss D.
Just seen the lads and lasses at my local hospital out on the lines. Good on em.
Power to the People!!!!"
And these people you refer to with power... does that include those people restricted to a hospital bed outside the very place these strikers were campaigning?
If only those people had the power to get out of their beds and walk out of that hospital, I'm sure they would have walked straight past those picketing strikers. |
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It's only been two years since the last inept Labout govt was unceremoniously kicked out of office, and it's going to take a lot more than two years to correct what they did to this country. If people are fed up of being reminded who took this country to the edge of the abyss then they are simply burying their heads in the sand in the hope 'it will all have gone away' by the time they decide to raise their heads above the parapet and see if it's safe to come out again.
Brown & Blair DID almost bankrupt this country with their reckless policies of spending to hide the fact that Ship GB was heading straight for the rocks.
The banking crisis didn't come about until very late in the Labour administration but it acted as a catalyst to bring home a decade of bad policies that had been introduced by a govt who couldn't be seen to backtrack from them and then suddenly found that when they went to the cupboard they found it empty.
No, it's going to take at least until the next election in 2015 to sort this mess out and I am so glad we finally have a responsible man at the helm of the nation's finances who has the balls to say, "It's gonna hurt - a lot - but it'll be worth it in the end."
Cameron may come across as Mr. U-Turn, but Osbourne doesn't know the meaning of the phrase and he has his plans well set out in his mind. I'm prepared to give him a chance to put them in action, because, tbh, the alternative makes me tremble with fear if Labour ever manage to get their useless paws on the country's economy again. "
You seem to be suggesting that prior to bank bail out Labour had saddled the country with a debt problem, is that what your saying?
You also suggest a decade of poor spending policies, I presume you are aware that the Tories backed agreed with most of these policies upto and including the bailout.
Are you suggesting Osbourne has not done a uturn?
Based on the way you present your argument we will be able to blame Cameron and Osbourne if the Euro fails and wrecks our economy in the process, which of course would be ridiculous. |
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"Just returned from a cold day on the picket line at my local hospital. We have had a lot of public support today, and it just goes to show that we are not alone in our beleifs. Some of you may disagree, and even if this never changes things, today people united against the system which rewards the workshy and the rich, and I for one was proud to take part in it! POWER TO THE PEOPLE!!!
Well done Miss D.
Just seen the lads and lasses at my local hospital out on the lines. Good on em.
Power to the People!!!!
And these people you refer to with power... does that include those people restricted to a hospital bed outside the very place these strikers were campaigning?
If only those people had the power to get out of their beds and walk out of that hospital, I'm sure they would have walked straight past those picketing strikers. "
Does everyone in a hospital bed hate the people who are looking after them and bringing them back to health....or is just you??? |
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Paramount to this strike for my trust was patient care, and no patient was left without care...my employers certainly made sure that people were able to strike, but also that services were covered...not one of our patients suffered today...and many of them supported our actions. We work in this profession (NHS) because we care about people...which is more than can be said for the people running the country, and some of the idiots posting on this forum! Yes its top heavy with management, yes we could do without many of them...but they are not the people who were striking today, it was the frontline staff, nurses, health care assistance, ambulance drivers, physiotherapist, anxillary staff, without them you would not have an NHS! |
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By *af105Man
over a year ago
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none off them have a clue they should tax those that have it and give the working class a break especially drivers if in doubt tax fuel and tax etc
as for those on strike at least they have a job and pension |
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"Does everyone in a hospital bed hate the people who are looking after them and bringing them back to health....or is just you??? "
No, but at the point of service, if I was awaiting treatment for a life threatening condition I'd be mightily peeved if that treatment was postoponed becuase of industrial action.
Those that have my respect today are the nurses who went it because of the oath they took when they qualified.
They are the heroes of today, not the union barons. |
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Or alternatively, fuck the six thousand that have waited patiently ( good eh? ) for operations and are now presumably further back in the queue.
Some f*cking care.
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Osbourne is doing a fine balancing act in trying to stay on target with the deficit whilst finding funds to allow businesses to grow during these tough times. I think he's doing a great job considering what he was left to work with from Break Britain & Bugger Off Blair & Brown.
Propaganda! I think most people are fed up with Brown and Blair still being blamed for all our woes. The fact is up until just before the election the Tories supported the majority of Browns spending plans. They definitely 100% supported the bank bailout. It's so easy to forget that not long before the election political commentators regularly highlighted that there was little difference between the two major parties. The lib send were seen as the ones with an alternate argument.
Plan A has simply not worked, Osbourne has been forced to change direction, the facts of yesterday spell that out.
It's only been two years since the last inept Labout govt was unceremoniously kicked out of office, and it's going to take a lot more than two years to correct what they did to this country. If people are fed up of being reminded who took this country to the edge of the abyss then they are simply burying their heads in the sand in the hope 'it will all have gone away' by the time they decide to raise their heads above the parapet and see if it's safe to come out again.
Brown & Blair DID almost bankrupt this country with their reckless policies of spending to hide the fact that Ship GB was heading straight for the rocks.
The banking crisis didn't come about until very late in the Labour administration but it acted as a catalyst to bring home a decade of bad policies that had been introduced by a govt who couldn't be seen to backtrack from them and then suddenly found that when they went to the cupboard they found it empty.
No, it's going to take at least until the next election in 2015 to sort this mess out and I am so glad we finally have a responsible man at the helm of the nation's finances who has the balls to say, "It's gonna hurt - a lot - but it'll be worth it in the end."
Cameron may come across as Mr. U-Turn, but Osbourne doesn't know the meaning of the phrase and he has his plans well set out in his mind. I'm prepared to give him a chance to put them in action, because, tbh, the alternative makes me tremble with fear if Labour ever manage to get their useless paws on the country's economy again. "
LOL Wishy i am sorry you keep peddling this rubbish and its incorrect ...borrowing under labour as a pecentage of gdp actually was the lowest its been since 1945 under brown
it was when he left 8.9% and that is perfectly in line with the average of 7.9 % since the coalition moved in it has risen twice in succesion and under them it is 11.9 at the end of this year (still not exessive) as long as GDP remains the same
The problem is on this Plan A it is likely not to ....if you stifle economic activity GDP will drop if it drops quicker than the debt is reduced ,the level of debt compasred to income goes up .
Now chucking 240 000 economically active public service workers on the dole with the threat of 400 000 more is stifling demand and gdp is likely to drop ..
I repeat to you again the highest debt we have had in the last 100 years is 250% of gdp, the average 7.9% the lowest in the last 50 years 6.8% under Gordon Brown go look at the facts yourself they are easy to find.
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You are totally missing the point...patient care wasnt put at risk. Those nurses and other staff have dedicated their lives to help others...even if they didnt strike, they supported the strike...not because they are bad people, but because the goverment has tried to change the goalposts halfway through their careers because of their own (or other governments) stupidity and careless financial restraint...this is unfair to those nurses etc who work long shifts and work very hard, as if they can do it to them, they will do it to everyone...including you!!! |
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And the union barons have had their 15 minutes on centre stage they're prepared to sit around the negotiating table with the govt.
Why didn't they do that before bringing widespread disruption to the UK?
It reinforces common belief that the unions are only interested in their own political bandstanding - and that of their puppet masters, the Labour Party. |
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I think that the myth that the government has been totally straight and honest in their dealings with the unions need to be fully addressed before we rip into the unions.
During the talks the unions asked the government for details of the individual pension 'pots', they had every right to know exactly what the state of the finances of these pension funds were....what I cannot fathom is if the government really want openess and transparency like they claim to want and expect, then why was this simple request denied?
Surely the unions have a right to know what pension funds have a surplus, like the teachers pension fund for instance, where the surplus is _umoured to be the largest surplus in any public sector pension fund within the EU.
I think the reluctance to divulge this information to the negotiating teams from the unions is way, way less transparency than the government is claiming to offer and also expecting from the unions.
It seems to me that this is an attempt by the government to finally finish the job that Thatcher started on the unions, and is underhand if they are sincere at reaching an amicable solution to the pension funds problem,
Anyone who believes the government are acting in a sincere and honourable manner over this is deluded. |
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"And the union barons have had their 15 minutes on centre stage they're prepared to sit around the negotiating table with the govt.
Why didn't they do that before bringing widespread disruption to the UK?
It reinforces common belief that the unions are only interested in their own political bandstanding - and that of their puppet masters, the Labour Party."
I think you'll find that they did try to, it was the government that wasnt interested. I dont know who these union barons are you talk of...do you know any of them personally? Do you really think we are that stupid? Its not about barons, or puppets, its about real people with real jobs and real lives and a shit system that screw them over, nothing more, nothing less. Screw the great unwashed/health tourists/career immigrants and chavs instead and leave us decent hardworking people alone! |
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"Screw the great unwashed/health tourists/career immigrants and chavs"
I wouldn't want to be one of the above and end up at your hospital, if that's how you view them!
Just who are the great unwashed you speak of? |
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Anyone seriously stating that the Labour party are the unions puppet masters, needs help..
I would think, such a person would need to drop their pants to count over 20...
The reverse has some verasity..
Such statements and their equivalent are akin to trolling..
In difficult times pragmatism and responsiblity is needed from both sides of the fence..
Britain like other OECD countries faces a burgeoning eldery population, with less people working to pay tax to fund the public finances..
Its a situation all western democracies face..they have the same demographics..and as a consequence..have to struggle with debt..
Britain has monstrous national debt..
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"And the union barons have had their 15 minutes on centre stage they're prepared to sit around the negotiating table with the govt.
Why didn't they do that before bringing widespread disruption to the UK?
It reinforces common belief that the unions are only interested in their own political bandstanding - and that of their puppet masters, the Labour Party."
not sure if you saw last nights newsnight?
mark sewotka called francis maude a liar over the way certain facts have been twisted by the government
maude's reaction was more of 'well put away your pride and come and talk'.
which was his response to sewotka previously stating that his deputy had attended the talks which were in his opinion 'officials' asking the unions how they would 'share the pain' as the government had said 'thats the deal' on 2nd Nov.
maude, despite paxman stating 'thats a serious allegation, would you like to respond' ducked the accusation he has lied.
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