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My mate's kid cracked me up recently. We were up visiting a friend near (very multicultural) Leicester, and the other friend was from (very white) Brighton.
The kid wanted a ride in my car, and as we're heading into town we stop at some traffic lights and a lady in a burkha crosses. He gets all excited and goes "LOOK! LOOK! IT'S A NINJA!!!"
I'm trying to stifle my chuckles and tell him "No lad, it's a Muslim" and he responds disappointly "Oh...yeah...I guess a ninja wouldn't shop at Aldi, would they?"
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"I love the islamophobic shouts. The peaceful religion do get angry when you mention anything to do with them don’t they. As do r the far left. Oh dear. " Matched only by the shouts of the far right. | |||
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"How can you say it's not racist if none of you are Muslim or wear a burkha? Until you have or are put in that situation how can we judge what that person can feel. It's not about what you say but what the person feels. " Because we are allowed an opinion. Can I then claim that any comment, which I might find offensive about anything I wear or do is racist against me? | |||
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"As do r the far left. Oh dear. " You *do* realise that by specifying 'far left' you're referring to those at the extreme end of the political spectrum, and that therefore your point is, in essence, complaining about the lack of moderate extremists... | |||
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"I love the islamophobic shouts. The peaceful religion do get angry when you mention anything to do with them don’t they. As do r the far left. Oh dear. Matched only by the shouts of the far right." 
Do the middle of the road "liberals" ever get angry about anything? | |||
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"I love the islamophobic shouts. The peaceful religion do get angry when you mention anything to do with them don’t they. As do r the far left. Oh dear. Matched only by the shouts of the far right.
Do the middle of the road "liberals" ever get angry about anything?"Waitrose running out of quinoa?  | |||
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"I love the islamophobic shouts. The peaceful religion do get angry when you mention anything to do with them don’t they. As do r the far left. Oh dear. Matched only by the shouts of the far right.
Do the middle of the road "liberals" ever get angry about anything?
Waitrose running out of quinoa?
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"Boris Johnson has been told to apologise for his remark that " ladies in Burkhas look like post boxes"!! Is that really a racist remark! " No it’s not. It just means there sense of style is very poor. Or if you look at it the other way it hides how ugly they are. It should be banned cover up yes but not the main identification of any person. I wouldn’t be allowed to fill up a motorcycle in a petrol station hiding my face. | |||
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"I love the islamophobic shouts. The peaceful religion do get angry when you mention anything to do with them don’t they. As do r the far left. Oh dear. Matched only by the shouts of the far right.
Do the middle of the road "liberals" ever get angry about anything?"Yes, we get very angry at extremists trying to get their ideology written into law | |||
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"Boris Johnson; Giving The Duke of Edinburgh a run for his money in the Ghaff Stakes. "It's not a gaff. It's carefully crafted rhetoric that sits alongside his piccaninny, and other such, comments. He's being advised by Bannon. He's setting out his stall for leader. He's relying on everyone just dismissing it as 'Boris being Boris' and it's all working. | |||
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"I love the islamophobic shouts. The peaceful religion do get angry when you mention anything to do with them don’t they. As do r the far left. Oh dear. " Why would criticism of Islam upset the far left? The far left is predominantly antitheist. Making fun of an entire swathe of people because they are foreign and "look funny"... possibly. | |||
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"Boris Johnson; Giving The Duke of Edinburgh a run for his money in the Ghaff Stakes.
It's not a gaff. It's carefully crafted rhetoric that sits alongside his piccaninny, and other such, comments.
He's being advised by Bannon. He's setting out his stall for leader. He's relying on everyone just dismissing it as 'Boris being Boris' and it's all working.
"Presumably to target the support of UKIP'ers as they seem to be the sort of people who like to re-enaxt their own little "Kristalnacht".... | |||
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"Not racist at all. They could consider wearing some shiny red sunglasses though with the Burka and they’d resemble KIT from Night Rider "hahahahahha comedy gold | |||
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"The man could possibly be the leader of the Conservative party. Will the defectors vote LibDem or Green Party I wonder." Possibly but won't. It's mogg time now. Time to have an election with a proper conservative against a proper marxist. | |||
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"The man could possibly be the leader of the Conservative party. Will the defectors vote LibDem or Green Party I wonder. Possibly but won't. It's mogg time now. Time to have an election with a proper conservative against a proper marxist. " I'm not very politically minded but I saw Mogg's grilling of David Davis on the exit of the EU and he impressed me a little. | |||
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"It is not Racist at all, it is his opinion and it is pure common sense. When people where a Burka, the British people have no idea who is behind that Burka! What photograph is on their Passport or Driving Licence? The UK's most wanted terrorist escaped the country disguised as a female wearing a Burka. The Burka can be intimidating. We are a Western country, ban the Burka. If they do not like it, we are a democratic country, they are free to leave and live in a Muslim country." I don't think you should ban the Burka. I think concealing your face in public should be banned, that would include chavs who pull scarves over their faces to avoid being caught committing crimes. | |||
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"It is not Racist at all, it is his opinion and it is pure common sense. When people where a Burka, the British people have no idea who is behind that Burka! What photograph is on their Passport or Driving Licence? The UK's most wanted terrorist escaped the country disguised as a female wearing a Burka. The Burka can be intimidating. We are a Western country, ban the Burka. If they do not like it, we are a democratic country, they are free to leave and live in a Muslim country." I read that in, Austria I think it was, a woman had her head wear torn from her head by a man-and was subsequently fined for wearing it. I wouldn't want that to happen in my country. | |||
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"The man could possibly be the leader of the Conservative party. Will the defectors vote LibDem or Green Party I wonder. Possibly but won't. It's mogg time now. Time to have an election with a proper conservative against a proper marxist. I'm not very politically minded but I saw Mogg's grilling of David Davis on the exit of the EU and he impressed me a little. " He's phenomenal in debates. I don't actually agree with him on several issues but he presents himself very well. It would just be nice to have a conservative leader who is actually conservative. | |||
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"It is not Racist at all, it is his opinion and it is pure common sense. When people where a Burka, the British people have no idea who is behind that Burka! What photograph is on their Passport or Driving Licence? The UK's most wanted terrorist escaped the country disguised as a female wearing a Burka. The Burka can be intimidating. We are a Western country, ban the Burka. If they do not like it, we are a democratic country, they are free to leave and live in a Muslim country. I don't think you should ban the Burka. I think concealing your face in public should be banned, that would include chavs who pull scarves over their faces to avoid being caught committing crimes. " The hat police? | |||
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"How can you be racist against a religion? Black, white, Asian, English, French, American, Australian... All the above and more have people who have chosen to become Moslem and as part of their choice certain requirements are made rewarding clothing etc. Given these facts how on Earth is Boris Johnson's comment racist?" It's not racist but could be seen as Islamophobic perhaps? | |||
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"A pedant writes: Johnson hasn't been accused of racism, but Islamophobia. " So they think he has an irrational fear of Muslims? | |||
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"A pedant writes: Johnson hasn't been accused of racism, but Islamophobia. So they think he has an irrational fear of Muslims? " exactly, not a phobia at all | |||
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"It is not Racist at all, it is his opinion and it is pure common sense. When people where a Burka, the British people have no idea who is behind that Burka! What photograph is on their Passport or Driving Licence? The UK's most wanted terrorist escaped the country disguised as a female wearing a Burka. The Burka can be intimidating. We are a Western country, ban the Burka. If they do not like it, we are a democratic country, they are free to leave and live in a Muslim country." Some people find skinheads intimidating, people with tattoos, piercings. People in addiction People suffering from mental illnesses Football fans ..etc etc | |||
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"It is not Racist at all, it is his opinion and it is pure common sense. When people where a Burka, the British people have no idea who is behind that Burka! What photograph is on their Passport or Driving Licence? The UK's most wanted terrorist escaped the country disguised as a female wearing a Burka. The Burka can be intimidating. We are a Western country, ban the Burka. If they do not like it, we are a democratic country, they are free to leave and live in a Muslim country. I don't think you should ban the Burka. I think concealing your face in public should be banned, that would include chavs who pull scarves over their faces to avoid being caught committing crimes. The hat police? "Yes, we'd need regulations about the maximum size sunglasses you could wear too | |||
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"It is not Racist at all, it is his opinion and it is pure common sense. When people where a Burka, the British people have no idea who is behind that Burka! What photograph is on their Passport or Driving Licence? The UK's most wanted terrorist escaped the country disguised as a female wearing a Burka. The Burka can be intimidating. We are a Western country, ban the Burka. If they do not like it, we are a democratic country, they are free to leave and live in a Muslim country. I don't think you should ban the Burka. I think concealing your face in public should be banned, that would include chavs who pull scarves over their faces to avoid being caught committing crimes. " They scare me, whereas the woman sitting opposite me, in her burqa, with her children, I don't bat an eyelid at; neither does anyone else on the bus. Sometimes, we even have a little chat-fancy that eh, those women talk. | |||
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"A pedant writes: Johnson hasn't been accused of racism, but Islamophobia. So they think he has an irrational fear of Muslims? "  | |||
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"A pedant writes: Johnson hasn't been accused of racism, but Islamophobia. So they think he has an irrational fear of Muslims? " I don't. I think he's an idiot who insults people by what they wear etc. I can't believe how politicians who are constantly making idiots of themselves in public are not dismissed. | |||
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"It is not Racist at all, it is his opinion and it is pure common sense. When people where a Burka, the British people have no idea who is behind that Burka! What photograph is on their Passport or Driving Licence? The UK's most wanted terrorist escaped the country disguised as a female wearing a Burka. The Burka can be intimidating. We are a Western country, ban the Burka. If they do not like it, we are a democratic country, they are free to leave and live in a Muslim country. I don't think you should ban the Burka. I think concealing your face in public should be banned, that would include chavs who pull scarves over their faces to avoid being caught committing crimes. " This is already a thing. You have remove balaclava s an helmets but not a burka? An burkas was only introduced in the 70s. This is why people get angry. Double standards  | |||
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"It is not Racist at all, it is his opinion and it is pure common sense. When people where a Burka, the British people have no idea who is behind that Burka! What photograph is on their Passport or Driving Licence? The UK's most wanted terrorist escaped the country disguised as a female wearing a Burka. The Burka can be intimidating. We are a Western country, ban the Burka. If they do not like it, we are a democratic country, they are free to leave and live in a Muslim country. I don't think you should ban the Burka. I think concealing your face in public should be banned, that would include chavs who pull scarves over their faces to avoid being caught committing crimes. They scare me, whereas the woman sitting opposite me, in her burqa, with her children, I don't bat an eyelid at; neither does anyone else on the bus. Sometimes, we even have a little chat-fancy that eh, those women talk." They don't scare me either, but they do get used in crimes and terrorist attacks. As do balaclavas and other things people conceal their face with. For a long time, the police strategy in this country is to have less police on the street and rely on CCTV footage after the event. People covering their faces get round this policing strategy. | |||
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"The man could possibly be the leader of the Conservative party. Will the defectors vote LibDem or Green Party I wonder. Possibly but won't. It's mogg time now. Time to have an election with a proper conservative against a proper marxist. I'm not very politically minded but I saw Mogg's grilling of David Davis on the exit of the EU and he impressed me a little. He's phenomenal in debates. I don't actually agree with him on several issues but he presents himself very well. It would just be nice to have a conservative leader who is actually conservative. " I don't really understand what most of them are talking about, but I knew he wasn't happy with us being a vassal state; and what it basically meant. I'm usually lost by the 4th or 5th sentence that comes out of a politician's mouth. | |||
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"A pedant writes: Johnson hasn't been accused of racism, but Islamophobia. So they think he has an irrational fear of Muslims? I don't. I think he's an idiot who insults people by what they wear etc. I can't believe how politicians who are constantly making idiots of themselves in public are not dismissed. " But he isn't - he's been meeting with Bannon et al. and is testing the water. It's the beginning of a leadership bid, and he's trying to bring the alt-right on board. | |||
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"A pedant writes: Johnson hasn't been accused of racism, but Islamophobia. So they think he has an irrational fear of Muslims? I don't. I think he's an idiot who insults people by what they wear etc. I can't believe how politicians who are constantly making idiots of themselves in public are not dismissed. " Because then america wouldn't have a president most of the time... | |||
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"It is not Racist at all, it is his opinion and it is pure common sense. When people where a Burka, the British people have no idea who is behind that Burka! What photograph is on their Passport or Driving Licence? The UK's most wanted terrorist escaped the country disguised as a female wearing a Burka. The Burka can be intimidating. We are a Western country, ban the Burka. If they do not like it, we are a democratic country, they are free to leave and live in a Muslim country." As you say we are a democratic country. So why advocate banning something you don't like? Or does freedom to dress as you choose not extend to everyone? | |||
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"It is not Racist at all, it is his opinion and it is pure common sense. When people where a Burka, the British people have no idea who is behind that Burka! What photograph is on their Passport or Driving Licence? The UK's most wanted terrorist escaped the country disguised as a female wearing a Burka. The Burka can be intimidating. We are a Western country, ban the Burka. If they do not like it, we are a democratic country, they are free to leave and live in a Muslim country. I don't think you should ban the Burka. I think concealing your face in public should be banned, that would include chavs who pull scarves over their faces to avoid being caught committing crimes. They scare me, whereas the woman sitting opposite me, in her burqa, with her children, I don't bat an eyelid at; neither does anyone else on the bus. Sometimes, we even have a little chat-fancy that eh, those women talk. They don't scare me either, but they do get used in crimes and terrorist attacks. As do balaclavas and other things people conceal their face with. For a long time, the police strategy in this country is to have less police on the street and rely on CCTV footage after the event. People covering their faces get round this policing strategy. " That has to be a blanket ban on whole face coverings doesn't it; not a 'ban the burqa' crusade. | |||
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"A pedant writes: Johnson hasn't been accused of racism, but Islamophobia. So they think he has an irrational fear of Muslims? I don't. I think he's an idiot who insults people by what they wear etc. I can't believe how politicians who are constantly making idiots of themselves in public are not dismissed. Because then america wouldn't have a president most of the time..." I've always thought that American presidents were puppets and mouth pieces for the men back stage- until Trump. | |||
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"It is not Racist at all, it is his opinion and it is pure common sense. When people where a Burka, the British people have no idea who is behind that Burka! What photograph is on their Passport or Driving Licence? The UK's most wanted terrorist escaped the country disguised as a female wearing a Burka. The Burka can be intimidating. We are a Western country, ban the Burka. If they do not like it, we are a democratic country, they are free to leave and live in a Muslim country. I don't think you should ban the Burka. I think concealing your face in public should be banned, that would include chavs who pull scarves over their faces to avoid being caught committing crimes. This is already a thing. You have remove balaclava s an helmets but not a burka? An burkas was only introduced in the 70s. This is why people get angry. Double standards "Your perfectly entitled to wear a balaclava/helmet in a public place, there is no law against it. If you're required to prove your identity by a police officer with grounds to establish it it doesn't matter what you're wearing. | |||
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"It is not Racist at all, it is his opinion and it is pure common sense. When people where a Burka, the British people have no idea who is behind that Burka! What photograph is on their Passport or Driving Licence? The UK's most wanted terrorist escaped the country disguised as a female wearing a Burka. The Burka can be intimidating. We are a Western country, ban the Burka. If they do not like it, we are a democratic country, they are free to leave and live in a Muslim country. As you say we are a democratic country. So why advocate banning something you don't like? Or does freedom to dress as you choose not extend to everyone?" | |||
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"It is not Racist at all, it is his opinion and it is pure common sense. When people where a Burka, the British people have no idea who is behind that Burka! What photograph is on their Passport or Driving Licence? The UK's most wanted terrorist escaped the country disguised as a female wearing a Burka. The Burka can be intimidating. We are a Western country, ban the Burka. If they do not like it, we are a democratic country, they are free to leave and live in a Muslim country. I don't think you should ban the Burka. I think concealing your face in public should be banned, that would include chavs who pull scarves over their faces to avoid being caught committing crimes. They scare me, whereas the woman sitting opposite me, in her burqa, with her children, I don't bat an eyelid at; neither does anyone else on the bus. Sometimes, we even have a little chat-fancy that eh, those women talk. They don't scare me either, but they do get used in crimes and terrorist attacks. As do balaclavas and other things people conceal their face with. For a long time, the police strategy in this country is to have less police on the street and rely on CCTV footage after the event. People covering their faces get round this policing strategy. That has to be a blanket ban on whole face coverings doesn't it; not a 'ban the burqa' crusade. " Yes that's what I'd like to see. Whenever there's football violence, they always use scarves to cover their faces. Same with violent 'protests'. Burkas specifically don't bother me. | |||
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"It is not Racist at all, it is his opinion and it is pure common sense. When people where a Burka, the British people have no idea who is behind that Burka! What photograph is on their Passport or Driving Licence? The UK's most wanted terrorist escaped the country disguised as a female wearing a Burka. The Burka can be intimidating. We are a Western country, ban the Burka. If they do not like it, we are a democratic country, they are free to leave and live in a Muslim country. Some people find skinheads intimidating, people with tattoos, piercings. People in addiction People suffering from mental illnesses Football fans ..etc etc " Yes let’s ban all them too! Lol. Ridiculous. | |||
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"It is not Racist at all, it is his opinion and it is pure common sense. When people where a Burka, the British people have no idea who is behind that Burka! What photograph is on their Passport or Driving Licence? The UK's most wanted terrorist escaped the country disguised as a female wearing a Burka. The Burka can be intimidating. We are a Western country, ban the Burka. If they do not like it, we are a democratic country, they are free to leave and live in a Muslim country. I don't think you should ban the Burka. I think concealing your face in public should be banned, that would include chavs who pull scarves over their faces to avoid being caught committing crimes. They scare me, whereas the woman sitting opposite me, in her burqa, with her children, I don't bat an eyelid at; neither does anyone else on the bus. Sometimes, we even have a little chat-fancy that eh, those women talk. They don't scare me either, but they do get used in crimes and terrorist attacks. As do balaclavas and other things people conceal their face with. For a long time, the police strategy in this country is to have less police on the street and rely on CCTV footage after the event. People covering their faces get round this policing strategy. That has to be a blanket ban on whole face coverings doesn't it; not a 'ban the burqa' crusade. Yes that's what I'd like to see. Whenever there's football violence, they always use scarves to cover their faces. Same with violent 'protests'. Burkas specifically don't bother me." And such football hooligans wear them to hide their identity AND to intimidate. | |||
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"Boris Johnson; Giving The Duke of Edinburgh a run for his money in the Ghaff Stakes. "Is it a "Gaff"? Or is it purely an innocent observation ? | |||
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"Islam isn't a race, it's open to all races. Burka's aren't religiously required either. In the world we live in today, covering your face is no longer an option for any religion or race. On a separate note, only 140 days until Christmas "See my post: he wasn't actually accused of Racism. | |||
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"Boris Johnson has been told to apologise for his remark that " ladies in Burkhas look like post boxes"!! Is that really a racist remark! " You missed out bank robbers. | |||
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"Islam isn't a race, it's open to all races. Burka's aren't religiously required either. In the world we live in today, covering your face is no longer an option for any religion or race. On a separate note, only 140 days until Christmas
See my post: he wasn't actually accused of Racism."I'm going by the forum title and the radio. | |||
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"Except that you would have to remove your balaclava or motorcycle helmet to the Police Officer to prove your identity. A woman wearing a burkha would refuse to do that." The police would have power to arrest anyone not complying; if they had the manpower. | |||
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"Islam isn't a race, it's open to all races. Burka's aren't religiously required either. In the world we live in today, covering your face is no longer an option for any religion or race. On a separate note, only 140 days until Christmas
See my post: he wasn't actually accused of Racism."I don't think it's Islamaphobic either. There is no call for followers of the religion to wear one, just to be demure I believe. And not all followers do wear one. So his comment was only aimed at people who wear the Burkha not at a whole religion. | |||
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"Except that you would have to remove your balaclava or motorcycle helmet to the Police Officer to prove your identity. A woman wearing a burkha would refuse to do that." But would have to comply. | |||
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"Islam isn't a race, it's open to all races. Burka's aren't religiously required either. In the world we live in today, covering your face is no longer an option for any religion or race. On a separate note, only 140 days until Christmas
See my post: he wasn't actually accused of Racism.
I'm going by the forum title and the radio. "Which is why I made the point - the thread title is misleading, and if that's how it's being reported on the radio, that's misleading too. I mention it because there are a lot of "Islam is not a race" statements on this thread. Although Islamophobia is used as a convenient "stick" by the far right to justify the abuse of southern Asian people (in spite of considerable Muslim populations of all races). | |||
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"Boris Johnson has been told to apologise for his remark that " ladies in Burkhas look like post boxes"!! Is that really a racist remark! You missed out bank robbers." No one does that anymore, as bank branches don't keep much cash! They do it from Nigeria now, instead, by phishing! | |||
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"I don't like boris but this just seems like a smear campaign to me "He writes for a living. He chose his words to create a press story. There is no smear campaign. He's got the reaction he sought. | |||
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"Islam isn't a race, it's open to all races. Burka's aren't religiously required either. In the world we live in today, covering your face is no longer an option for any religion or race. On a separate note, only 140 days until Christmas
See my post: he wasn't actually accused of Racism.
I'm going by the forum title and the radio.
Which is why I made the point - the thread title is misleading, and if that's how it's being reported on the radio, that's misleading too.
I mention it because there are a lot of "Islam is not a race" statements on this thread.
Although Islamophobia is used as a convenient "stick" by the far right to justify the abuse of southern Asian people (in spite of considerable Muslim populations of all races). "What exactly is Islamophobia? It's clearly not an actual phobia. | |||
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"It is not Racist at all, it is his opinion and it is pure common sense. When people where a Burka, the British people have no idea who is behind that Burka! What photograph is on their Passport or Driving Licence? The UK's most wanted terrorist escaped the country disguised as a female wearing a Burka. The Burka can be intimidating. We are a Western country, ban the Burka. If they do not like it, we are a democratic country, they are free to leave and live in a Muslim country." You know that lots of Burka wearing ladies are also British, right? The Burka (full head and face to toe covering) is actually not all that common and where it is, is worn mostly by Arabs. Niqaab (full covering with a letterbox to coin Boris) is more common, and agree, for identity purposes should be open to inspection in banks and at border security etc. The majority of Western Muslim women will wear a Hijab or Khimar. Should we be banning these traditional headdresses? Will we also be banning altered hair colours, coloured contact lenses, facial jewellery, facial hair, facial cosmetic surgery? No. Live and let live'. If you don't like living in a multi-cultural, democratic country, leave and find one you do like. | |||
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"I don't like boris but this just seems like a smear campaign to me
He writes for a living. He chose his words to create a press story. There is no smear campaign. He's got the reaction he sought.
"This thread is evidence that it worked, too. For the hard of thinking; the reaction he was looking for was for people to read the news and say things like: "Bloody Muslims, how dare they come over here and do that. They don't belong".... Which ultimately leads to: "We should deport them, even if they were born here (see: Windrush") And then when they can't all be deported "other solutions" are sought. | |||
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"Islam isn't a race, it's open to all races. Burka's aren't religiously required either. In the world we live in today, covering your face is no longer an option for any religion or race. On a separate note, only 140 days until Christmas
See my post: he wasn't actually accused of Racism.
I'm going by the forum title and the radio.
Which is why I made the point - the thread title is misleading, and if that's how it's being reported on the radio, that's misleading too.
I mention it because there are a lot of "Islam is not a race" statements on this thread.
Although Islamophobia is used as a convenient "stick" by the far right to justify the abuse of southern Asian people (in spite of considerable Muslim populations of all races).
What exactly is Islamophobia? It's clearly not an actual phobia. "Nor is homophobia. What's your point, caller? | |||
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"I don't like boris but this just seems like a smear campaign to me
He writes for a living. He chose his words to create a press story. There is no smear campaign. He's got the reaction he sought.
This thread is evidence that it worked, too.
For the hard of thinking; the reaction he was looking for was for people to read the news and say things like: "Bloody Muslims, how dare they come over here and do that. They don't belong"....
Which ultimately leads to:
"We should deport them, even if they were born here (see: Windrush")
And then when they can't all be deported "other solutions" are sought. "You got all that from 'post box' | |||
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"Islam isn't a race, it's open to all races. Burka's aren't religiously required either. In the world we live in today, covering your face is no longer an option for any religion or race. On a separate note, only 140 days until Christmas
See my post: he wasn't actually accused of Racism.
I'm going by the forum title and the radio.
Which is why I made the point - the thread title is misleading, and if that's how it's being reported on the radio, that's misleading too.
I mention it because there are a lot of "Islam is not a race" statements on this thread.
Although Islamophobia is used as a convenient "stick" by the far right to justify the abuse of southern Asian people (in spite of considerable Muslim populations of all races).
What exactly is Islamophobia? It's clearly not an actual phobia.
Nor is homophobia.
What's your point, caller?"That you throw around newly invented, negative labels and we don't know what they mean? Could you clarify please so we can keep speaking the same language. | |||
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"Islam isn't a race, it's open to all races. Burka's aren't religiously required either. In the world we live in today, covering your face is no longer an option for any religion or race. On a separate note, only 140 days until Christmas
See my post: he wasn't actually accused of Racism.
I'm going by the forum title and the radio.
Which is why I made the point - the thread title is misleading, and if that's how it's being reported on the radio, that's misleading too.
I mention it because there are a lot of "Islam is not a race" statements on this thread.
Although Islamophobia is used as a convenient "stick" by the far right to justify the abuse of southern Asian people (in spite of considerable Muslim populations of all races).
What exactly is Islamophobia? It's clearly not an actual phobia.
Nor is homophobia.
What's your point, caller?
That you throw around newly invented, negative labels and we don't know what they mean? Could you clarify please so we can keep speaking the same language. "It is not my job to ensure you keep up with the development of modern English. Perhaps ask those in his party who have said he should apologise. | |||
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"I don't like boris but this just seems like a smear campaign to me
He writes for a living. He chose his words to create a press story. There is no smear campaign. He's got the reaction he sought.
This thread is evidence that it worked, too.
For the hard of thinking; the reaction he was looking for was for people to read the news and say things like: "Bloody Muslims, how dare they come over here and do that. They don't belong"....
Which ultimately leads to:
"We should deport them, even if they were born here (see: Windrush")
And then when they can't all be deported "other solutions" are sought.
You got all that from 'post box' "I got that from his remark, and the rather predictable response of the press. Boris isn't stupid, he knew what would happen. | |||
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"Islam isn't a race, it's open to all races. Burka's aren't religiously required either. In the world we live in today, covering your face is no longer an option for any religion or race. On a separate note, only 140 days until Christmas
See my post: he wasn't actually accused of Racism.
I'm going by the forum title and the radio.
Which is why I made the point - the thread title is misleading, and if that's how it's being reported on the radio, that's misleading too.
I mention it because there are a lot of "Islam is not a race" statements on this thread.
Although Islamophobia is used as a convenient "stick" by the far right to justify the abuse of southern Asian people (in spite of considerable Muslim populations of all races).
What exactly is Islamophobia? It's clearly not an actual phobia.
Nor is homophobia.
What's your point, caller?
That you throw around newly invented, negative labels and we don't know what they mean? Could you clarify please so we can keep speaking the same language.
It is not my job to ensure you keep up with the development of modern English.
Perhaps ask those in his party who have said he should apologise. "This is why nobody outside the far left takes those terms seriously. Because the people who use them are scared to even define them. I rest my case. | |||
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"It’s not racist but it seems like Boris is taking advise from Donald Trump "Who used Muslims and Mexicans as an escape goat to get far right votes.. | |||
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"Boris Johnson has been told to apologise for his remark that " ladies in Burkhas look like post boxes"!! Is that really a racist remark! " Kinda but it's our humour our country our rules, if they want to live here they should integrate | |||
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"I don't like boris but this just seems like a smear campaign to me
He writes for a living. He chose his words to create a press story. There is no smear campaign. He's got the reaction he sought.
This thread is evidence that it worked, too.
For the hard of thinking; the reaction he was looking for was for people to read the news and say things like: "Bloody Muslims, how dare they come over here and do that. They don't belong"....
Which ultimately leads to:
"We should deport them, even if they were born here (see: Windrush")
And then when they can't all be deported "other solutions" are sought.
You got all that from 'post box'
I got that from his remark, and the rather predictable response of the press.
Boris isn't stupid, he knew what would happen. "When Corbyn refused to deny being a Marxist, Abott praised Mao and McDonnell admitted to being a Marxist. I realised that if they ever got into power then I'd end up in a gulag. Do you think my train of thought is reasonable? | |||
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"I don't like boris but this just seems like a smear campaign to me
He writes for a living. He chose his words to create a press story. There is no smear campaign. He's got the reaction he sought.
This thread is evidence that it worked, too.
For the hard of thinking; the reaction he was looking for was for people to read the news and say things like: "Bloody Muslims, how dare they come over here and do that. They don't belong"....
Which ultimately leads to:
"We should deport them, even if they were born here (see: Windrush")
And then when they can't all be deported "other solutions" are sought.
You got all that from 'post box'
I got that from his remark, and the rather predictable response of the press.
Boris isn't stupid, he knew what would happen.
When Corbyn refused to deny being a Marxist, Abott praised Mao and McDonnell admitted to being a Marxist. I realised that if they ever got into power then I'd end up in a gulag. Do you think my train of thought is reasonable? "Thought of Diane Abbott becoming our PM keeps me up at night  | |||
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"Islam isn't a race, it's open to all races. Burka's aren't religiously required either. In the world we live in today, covering your face is no longer an option for any religion or race. On a separate note, only 140 days until Christmas
See my post: he wasn't actually accused of Racism.
I'm going by the forum title and the radio.
Which is why I made the point - the thread title is misleading, and if that's how it's being reported on the radio, that's misleading too.
I mention it because there are a lot of "Islam is not a race" statements on this thread.
Although Islamophobia is used as a convenient "stick" by the far right to justify the abuse of southern Asian people (in spite of considerable Muslim populations of all races).
What exactly is Islamophobia? It's clearly not an actual phobia.
Nor is homophobia.
What's your point, caller?
That you throw around newly invented, negative labels and we don't know what they mean? Could you clarify please so we can keep speaking the same language.
It is not my job to ensure you keep up with the development of modern English.
Perhaps ask those in his party who have said he should apologise.
This is why nobody outside the far left takes those terms seriously. Because the people who use them are scared to even define them. I rest my case. "So the Tory mps who just used the term in reference to Boris are the "far left" now? | |||
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"I don’t think it’s a racist remark however what I find worrying is Boris could one day be leader of the conservative possibly prime minister he really needs to think before opening his mouth as to me he doesn’t put his foot in it more the whole leg with some of the things he says." I don't think he puts his foot in his mouth everything he says is well thought out and calculated, I also think he will never run our country as him acting the buffoon was sussed a long time ago | |||
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"How come all these supposed minority groups are whining and moaning all the bloody time ,there is a strange thing called intergation that they want no part of whatsoever " Forgive me but wasn't it Johnson who started the whining & moaning. Personally I'm not a fan of the burka, but it affects me in no way so couldn't give a bugger over who chooses to wear it and their reasons for doing so. | |||
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"It is not Racist at all, it is his opinion and it is pure common sense. When people where a Burka, the British people have no idea who is behind that Burka! What photograph is on their Passport or Driving Licence? The UK's most wanted terrorist escaped the country disguised as a female wearing a Burka. The Burka can be intimidating. We are a Western country, ban the Burka. If they do not like it, we are a democratic country, they are free to leave and live in a Muslim country." And goodies..? Baseball caps? Sunglasses? Just how on earth can a adult be intimidated by something like the burka? Had you said white robes and pointy hats or nazi uniform wearers screaming racist filth then yes I can get that but the vast majority of people wearing the burka are just going about their business.. | |||
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"Islam isn't a race, it's open to all races. Burka's aren't religiously required either. In the world we live in today, covering your face is no longer an option for any religion or race. On a separate note, only 140 days until Christmas
See my post: he wasn't actually accused of Racism.
I'm going by the forum title and the radio.
Which is why I made the point - the thread title is misleading, and if that's how it's being reported on the radio, that's misleading too.
I mention it because there are a lot of "Islam is not a race" statements on this thread.
Although Islamophobia is used as a convenient "stick" by the far right to justify the abuse of southern Asian people (in spite of considerable Muslim populations of all races).
What exactly is Islamophobia? It's clearly not an actual phobia.
Nor is homophobia.
What's your point, caller?
That you throw around newly invented, negative labels and we don't know what they mean? Could you clarify please so we can keep speaking the same language.
It is not my job to ensure you keep up with the development of modern English.
Perhaps ask those in his party who have said he should apologise.
This is why nobody outside the far left takes those terms seriously. Because the people who use them are scared to even define them. I rest my case.
So the Tory mps who just used the term in reference to Boris are the "far left" now? "It's called politically correct for a reason. Bunch of puppet pussies that would say any combination of words if they thought it would get them more votes. | |||
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"It is not Racist at all, it is his opinion and it is pure common sense. When people where a Burka, the British people have no idea who is behind that Burka! What photograph is on their Passport or Driving Licence? The UK's most wanted terrorist escaped the country disguised as a female wearing a Burka. The Burka can be intimidating. We are a Western country, ban the Burka. If they do not like it, we are a democratic country, they are free to leave and live in a Muslim country. And goodies..? Baseball caps? Sunglasses? Just how on earth can a adult be intimidated by something like the burka? Had you said white robes and pointy hats or nazi uniform wearers screaming racist filth then yes I can get that but the vast majority of people wearing the burka are just going about their business.. " There's no excuse for baseball caps in this country. Literally nobody plays baseball. | |||
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"I don’t think it’s a racist remark however what I find worrying is Boris could one day be leader of the conservative possibly prime minister he really needs to think before opening his mouth as to me he doesn’t put his foot in it more the whole leg with some of the things he says. I don't think he puts his foot in his mouth everything he says is well thought out and calculated, I also think he will never run our country as him acting the buffoon was sussed a long time ago" . If he was ever leader of the Conservative party then there will be a chance he could become prime minster.I do hope your right and he doesn’t run the country. | |||
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"But let’s not beat around the bush and tell me, is that going to get Boris any votes? "Depends if you believe that the alt right are some massive political force that are going to rally behind the guy that already pussied out of leading the party. Or whether you think the alt right is a minority of people who make amusing YouTube videos. | |||
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"I don’t think it’s a racist remark however what I find worrying is Boris could one day be leader of the conservative possibly prime minister he really needs to think before opening his mouth as to me he doesn’t put his foot in it more the whole leg with some of the things he says. I don't think he puts his foot in his mouth everything he says is well thought out and calculated, I also think he will never run our country as him acting the buffoon was sussed a long time ago. If he was ever leader of the Conservative party then there will be a chance he could become prime minster.I do hope your right and he doesn’t run the country." I love Boris to become our PM! At least we will have someone to compete with Donald J. Trump #pricelessentertainment #comediansoutofwork | |||
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"How can you say it's not racist if none of you are Muslim or wear a burkha? Until you have or are put in that situation how can we judge what that person can feel. It's not about what you say but what the person feels. Because we are allowed an opinion. Can I then claim that any comment, which I might find offensive about anything I wear or do is racist against me?" And that opinion can be wrong | |||
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"But let’s not beat around the bush and tell me, is that going to get Boris any votes?
Depends if you believe that the alt right are some massive political force that are going to rally behind the guy that already pussied out of leading the party. Or whether you think the alt right is a minority of people who make amusing YouTube videos. "As experimented in America mocking/hating one group can get you votes | |||
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"But let’s not beat around the bush and tell me, is that going to get Boris any votes?
Depends if you believe that the alt right are some massive political force that are going to rally behind the guy that already pussied out of leading the party. Or whether you think the alt right is a minority of people who make amusing YouTube videos.
As experimented in America mocking/hating one group can get you votes " | |||
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"But let’s not beat around the bush and tell me, is that going to get Boris any votes?
Depends if you believe that the alt right are some massive political force that are going to rally behind the guy that already pussied out of leading the party. Or whether you think the alt right is a minority of people who make amusing YouTube videos.
As experimented in America mocking/hating one group can get you votes "Only when you're up against an alternative that nobody wants | |||
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" We are a Western country, ban the Burka. If they do not like it, we are a democratic country, they are free to leave and live in a Muslim country." Yes! A free democratic country! Where we tell people what they can and can't wear! | |||
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"But let’s not beat around the bush and tell me, is that going to get Boris any votes?
Depends if you believe that the alt right are some massive political force that are going to rally behind the guy that already pussied out of leading the party. Or whether you think the alt right is a minority of people who make amusing YouTube videos.
As experimented in America mocking/hating one group can get you votes
Only when you're up against an alternative that nobody wants "It has been tried though when Sadiq Khan was branded as a terrorist by Tory campaigner during election campaign, however London is different from the rest of the country in my opinion. Correct me if I’m wrong | |||
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" We are a Western country, ban the Burka. If they do not like it, we are a democratic country, they are free to leave and live in a Muslim country. Yes! A free democratic country! Where we tell people what they can and can't wear!" My mate said to me don’t wear sandals as it might rain  | |||
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"Boris Johnson has been told to apologise for his remark that " ladies in Burkhas look like post boxes"!! Is that really a racist remark! Kinda but it's our humour our country our rules, if they want to live here they should integrate " But they do integrate? Also our country our rules is something that the British have struggled with since the time we colonised huge swathes of the world through to current times when tourists and expats fail to respect the traditions laws and cultures of the country's they visit or live in. Integration is to often seen as a one way street | |||
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"Boris Johnson has been told to apologise for his remark that " ladies in Burkhas look like post boxes"!! Is that really a racist remark! " I can't help wondering whether all the people who found his remarks offensive actually read or heard his remarks. He was basically saying that no body should be co-erced into wearing a burqa as well as that a ban on wearing it would not be right either. In other words he was arguing for freedom of choice. He was also arguing in favour of anyone who has to deal with the public,being able to see the faces of those members of the public. Again,arguing in favour of peoples rights. I think his comparison to letter boxes was inaccurate but hardly the worst insult ever thrown around and he absolutely did not say that people wearing a burqa were likely to be bank robbers. It seems to me like a case of getting offended without knowing exactly why. Interesting to hear some of the howls of indignation coming from the labour party,I imagine they are quite glad of a little distraction from their own troubles. | |||
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" We are a Western country, ban the Burka. If they do not like it, we are a democratic country, they are free to leave and live in a Muslim country. Yes! A free democratic country! Where we tell people what they can and can't wear!" If you were in their country they wouldn’t hesitate to tell you | |||
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"It is not Racist at all, it is his opinion and it is pure common sense. When people where a Burka, the British people have no idea who is behind that Burka! What photograph is on their Passport or Driving Licence? The UK's most wanted terrorist escaped the country disguised as a female wearing a Burka. The Burka can be intimidating. We are a Western country, ban the Burka. If they do not like it, we are a democratic country, they are free to leave and live in a Muslim country. And goodies..? Baseball caps? Sunglasses? Just how on earth can a adult be intimidated by something like the burka? Had you said white robes and pointy hats or nazi uniform wearers screaming racist filth then yes I can get that but the vast majority of people wearing the burka are just going about their business.. There's no excuse for baseball caps in this country. Literally nobody plays baseball. " We get sun now and then, which is what they are protection from. I prefer wide brimmed hats myself, but my grandsons wouldn't be happy wearing one. | |||
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" We are a Western country, ban the Burka. If they do not like it, we are a democratic country, they are free to leave and live in a Muslim country. Yes! A free democratic country! Where we tell people what they can and can't wear!If you were in their country they wouldn’t hesitate to tell you " You know, you're absolutely right - I think we should start modelling our values and culture on the likes of Saudi Arabia and the like, they're clearly onto something, we should aspire to be more like them! | |||
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"It is not Racist at all, it is his opinion and it is pure common sense. When people where a Burka, the British people have no idea who is behind that Burka! What photograph is on their Passport or Driving Licence? The UK's most wanted terrorist escaped the country disguised as a female wearing a Burka. The Burka can be intimidating. We are a Western country, ban the Burka. If they do not like it, we are a democratic country, they are free to leave and live in a Muslim country. And goodies..? Baseball caps? Sunglasses? Just how on earth can a adult be intimidated by something like the burka? Had you said white robes and pointy hats or nazi uniform wearers screaming racist filth then yes I can get that but the vast majority of people wearing the burka are just going about their business.. There's no excuse for baseball caps in this country. Literally nobody plays baseball. We get sun now and then, which is what they are protection from. I prefer wide brimmed hats myself, but my grandsons wouldn't be happy wearing one." Well we could compromise. You can wear a baseball cap, but if a policeman stops you and you can't name the last three most recent winners of the world series then they confiscate it. | |||
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" We are a Western country, ban the Burka. If they do not like it, we are a democratic country, they are free to leave and live in a Muslim country. Yes! A free democratic country! Where we tell people what they can and can't wear!If you were in their country they wouldn’t hesitate to tell you You know, you're absolutely right - I think we should start modelling our values and culture on the likes of Saudi Arabia and the like, they're clearly onto something, we should aspire to be more like them!" I’m in | |||
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" We are a Western country, ban the Burka. If they do not like it, we are a democratic country, they are free to leave and live in a Muslim country. Yes! A free democratic country! Where we tell people what they can and can't wear!If you were in their country they wouldn’t hesitate to tell you You know, you're absolutely right - I think we should start modelling our values and culture on the likes of Saudi Arabia and the like, they're clearly onto something, we should aspire to be more like them!" What are our values though? I think values are the most important thing of any country. We absolutely should not have people in the country who don't share it's core values, regardless of their colour, race, religion or where they were born. | |||
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"Boris Johnson has been told to apologise for his remark that " ladies in Burkhas look like post boxes"!! Is that really a racist remark! " It's descriptive but inaccurate when have you ever seen a black post box? | |||
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"Boris Johnson has been told to apologise for his remark that " ladies in Burkhas look like post boxes"!! Is that really a racist remark! It's descriptive but inaccurate when have you ever seen a black post box?" Kind of like the blue passports. | |||
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"Oh yawn. Everyone is offended by everything these days - they need to give less fucks "Take off your clothes and wear what Boris wants you to wear woman | |||
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"Boris Johnson has been told to apologise for his remark that " ladies in Burkhas look like post boxes"!! Is that really a racist remark! It's descriptive but inaccurate when have you ever seen a black post box? Kind of like the blue passports." oh I've seen a blue passport not sure why but I have | |||
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"Boris Johnson; Giving The Duke of Edinburgh a run for his money in the Ghaff Stakes.
It's not a gaff. It's carefully crafted rhetoric that sits alongside his piccaninny, and other such, comments.
He's being advised by Bannon. He's setting out his stall for leader. He's relying on everyone just dismissing it as 'Boris being Boris' and it's all working.
Presumably to target the support of UKIP'ers as they seem to be the sort of people who like to re-enaxt their own little "Kristalnacht"...."Next thing you'll say is Tommy Robinson should still be in prison | |||
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"It's predominantly an oppression thing, it's no coincidence that women from an extremely hot country wear full length head to toe BLACK garments while men wear white. It's just age old basic commoner garden sexism!. You women stay home, don't work, have kids, wear what your told, do as your told and don't complain because Mohammed says it's ok to beat you (lightly). Some things need offending" That might all be true, but you don't change the view of abusive, domineering men by banning articles of clothing their women wear..the mindset needs to be adjusted first. | |||
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"Oh yawn. Everyone is offended by everything these days - they need to give less fucks "This God being politically correct gets on my wick | |||
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"It's predominantly an oppression thing, it's no coincidence that women from an extremely hot country wear full length head to toe BLACK garments while men wear white. It's just age old basic commoner garden sexism!. You women stay home, don't work, have kids, wear what your told, do as your told and don't complain because Mohammed says it's ok to beat you (lightly). Some things need offending That might all be true, but you don't change the view of abusive, domineering men by banning articles of clothing their women wear..the mindset needs to be adjusted first." Why not? Covering the face is not a religious thing, covering hair is, but face isn't. It's a cultural one and part of a culture that is fundamentally incompatible with British values. | |||
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"I don't like boris but this just seems like a smear campaign to me
He writes for a living. He chose his words to create a press story. There is no smear campaign. He's got the reaction he sought.
"True, But the general uproar thats resulting is just childish
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"I don't like boris but this just seems like a smear campaign to me
He writes for a living. He chose his words to create a press story. There is no smear campaign. He's got the reaction he sought.
True,
But the general uproar thats resulting is just childish
It's not a racist remark to notice an outfit resembles something else is it?"Yeah but you need to read between the lines to see the racist, homophobic, bigoted, classist, trabsphobic, cisgendered, white privileged, hetronormative undertones of islamiphobia. | |||
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"It's predominantly an oppression thing, it's no coincidence that women from an extremely hot country wear full length head to toe BLACK garments while men wear white. It's just age old basic commoner garden sexism!. You women stay home, don't work, have kids, wear what your told, do as your told and don't complain because Mohammed says it's ok to beat you (lightly). Some things need offending That might all be true, but you don't change the view of abusive, domineering men by banning articles of clothing their women wear..the mindset needs to be adjusted first. Why not? Covering the face is not a religious thing, covering hair is, but face isn't. It's a cultural one and part of a culture that is fundamentally incompatible with British values. " Don't give a monkeys whether it's a religious thing or not, to me it's a daft piece of clothing (some) Muslim women wear, it doesn't affect me so I don't need to paraphrase any religious reasons others may choose to attach to it, it isn't my religion, it isn't me whose wearing it and it isn't for me to interfere with those who do. | |||
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"I don't like boris but this just seems like a smear campaign to me
He writes for a living. He chose his words to create a press story. There is no smear campaign. He's got the reaction he sought.
True,
But the general uproar thats resulting is just childish
It's not a racist remark to notice an outfit resembles something else is it?
Yeah but you need to read between the lines to see the racist, homophobic, bigoted, classist, trabsphobic, cisgendered, white privileged, hetronormative undertones of islamiphobia. "Internet, Meet my spokesperson | |||
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"I don't like boris but this just seems like a smear campaign to me
He writes for a living. He chose his words to create a press story. There is no smear campaign. He's got the reaction he sought.
True,
But the general uproar thats resulting is just childish
It's not a racist remark to notice an outfit resembles something else is it?"No, the error was he should have said it looks like a black post box | |||
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"It's predominantly an oppression thing, it's no coincidence that women from an extremely hot country wear full length head to toe BLACK garments while men wear white. It's just age old basic commoner garden sexism!. You women stay home, don't work, have kids, wear what your told, do as your told and don't complain because Mohammed says it's ok to beat you (lightly). Some things need offending That might all be true, but you don't change the view of abusive, domineering men by banning articles of clothing their women wear..the mindset needs to be adjusted first. Why not? Covering the face is not a religious thing, covering hair is, but face isn't. It's a cultural one and part of a culture that is fundamentally incompatible with British values. Don't give a monkeys whether it's a religious thing or not, to me it's a daft piece of clothing (some) Muslim women wear, it doesn't affect me so I don't need to paraphrase any religious reasons others may choose to attach to it, it isn't my religion, it isn't me whose wearing it and it isn't for me to interfere with those who do." Bullshit. If a white Christian man told his wife she couldn't leave the house without a male relative then you'd call it abuse. If a white Christian family said their daughter didn't need educating, you'd call it abuse. You are not free to do whatever you like in this country. | |||
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"I don't like boris but this just seems like a smear campaign to me
He writes for a living. He chose his words to create a press story. There is no smear campaign. He's got the reaction he sought.
True,
But the general uproar thats resulting is just childish
It's not a racist remark to notice an outfit resembles something else is it?
Yeah but you need to read between the lines to see the racist, homophobic, bigoted, classist, trabsphobic, cisgendered, white privileged, hetronormative undertones of islamiphobia.
Internet,
Meet my spokesperson "And you'd better find those fucking undertones otherwise you'll be off for a week of diversity training. | |||
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"I don't like boris but this just seems like a smear campaign to me
He writes for a living. He chose his words to create a press story. There is no smear campaign. He's got the reaction he sought.
True,
But the general uproar thats resulting is just childish
It's not a racist remark to notice an outfit resembles something else is it?
Yeah but you need to read between the lines to see the racist, homophobic, bigoted, classist, trabsphobic, cisgendered, white privileged, hetronormative undertones of islamiphobia. "So it would be fine if a lower class, transgendered, Ex muslim of african descent who is bisexual said it? Or is it because boris is all the above that you stated? | |||
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"I don't like boris but this just seems like a smear campaign to me
He writes for a living. He chose his words to create a press story. There is no smear campaign. He's got the reaction he sought.
True,
But the general uproar thats resulting is just childish
It's not a racist remark to notice an outfit resembles something else is it?No, the error was he should have said it looks like a black post box "Oh my  | |||
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"I don't like boris but this just seems like a smear campaign to me
He writes for a living. He chose his words to create a press story. There is no smear campaign. He's got the reaction he sought.
True,
But the general uproar thats resulting is just childish
It's not a racist remark to notice an outfit resembles something else is it?
Yeah but you need to read between the lines to see the racist, homophobic, bigoted, classist, trabsphobic, cisgendered, white privileged, hetronormative undertones of islamiphobia.
Internet,
Meet my spokesperson
And you'd better find those fucking undertones otherwise you'll be off for a week of diversity training. "I’m the prime definition of diversity  | |||
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""escape goat" " True, Boris wants right wing votes because he knows left wing voters aren’t stupid | |||
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""escape goat" True, Boris wants right wing votes because he knows left wing voters aren’t stupid "I'd say left wing are extremely stupid  | |||
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""escape goat" True, Boris wants right wing votes because he knows left wing voters aren’t stupid
I'd say left wing are extremely stupid "To which I would say I’m stupid | |||
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"I don't like boris but this just seems like a smear campaign to me
He writes for a living. He chose his words to create a press story. There is no smear campaign. He's got the reaction he sought.
True,
But the general uproar thats resulting is just childish
It's not a racist remark to notice an outfit resembles something else is it?
Yeah but you need to read between the lines to see the racist, homophobic, bigoted, classist, trabsphobic, cisgendered, white privileged, hetronormative undertones of islamiphobia.
So it would be fine if a lower class, transgendered, Ex muslim of african descent who is bisexual said it?
"I can't think of a better explanation of how diane abbott has kept her position... occam's razor | |||
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""escape goat" True, Boris wants right wing votes because he knows left wing voters aren’t stupid "No they are just antisemitic or support an outright Communist with massively abusive personally offensive campaigns on Social Media neither of which is too attractive to mainstream / undecided voters. | |||
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""escape goat" True, Boris wants right wing votes because he knows left wing voters aren’t stupid "I was mocking you. Unless you just baited me out something unreal, in which case, props. If not, the word you're looking for is scapegoat. And you're wrong. Hope this helps. | |||
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""escape goat" True, Boris wants right wing votes because he knows left wing voters aren’t stupid
No they are just antisemitic or support an outright Communist with massively abusive personally offensive campaigns on Social Media neither of which is too attractive to mainstream / undecided voters. "You are correct | |||
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"I don't like boris but this just seems like a smear campaign to me
He writes for a living. He chose his words to create a press story. There is no smear campaign. He's got the reaction he sought.
True,
But the general uproar thats resulting is just childish
It's not a racist remark to notice an outfit resembles something else is it?No, the error was he should have said it looks like a black post box
Oh my "Well Burkhas are black it would be more descriptive | |||
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Of course it will only be a matter of time before the Elf & Safetee idiots from the Royal Mail point out the dangers of poking letters in ladies' eyes .... | |||
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"But back to the OP's question: This cannot in any way be racist as there is no race involved. Arguably Islam itself is not even a race. How do we know what the race of the woman invisible in a Burkha is anyway? As it singles out women I am surprised the feminists haven't taken to the streets with shouts of 'sexism'. Not that it is impossible the person in the Burkha is actually a bloke....
Of course it will only be a matter of time before the Elf & Safetee idiots from the Royal Mail point out the dangers of poking letters in ladies' eyes .... "?? | |||
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"But back to the OP's question: This cannot in any way be racist as there is no race involved. Arguably Islam itself is not even a race. How do we know what the race of the woman invisible in a Burkha is anyway? As it singles out women I am surprised the feminists haven't taken to the streets with shouts of 'sexism'. Not that it is impossible the person in the Burkha is actually a bloke....
Of course it will only be a matter of time before the Elf & Safetee idiots from the Royal Mail point out the dangers of poking letters in ladies' eyes .... "and do we actually know it's a woman half the time sorry but a security risk | |||
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"Boris Johnson has been told to apologise for his remark that " ladies in Burkhas look like post boxes"!! Is that really a racist remark! " No... Not very polite but that’s Boris for you..and he’s entitled to his opinion, he must just remember to engage brain before opening mouth more often | |||
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"Boris Johnson has been told to apologise for his remark that " ladies in Burkhas look like post boxes"!! Is that really a racist remark! No... Not very polite but that’s Boris for you..and he’s entitled to his opinion, he must just remember to engage brain before opening mouth more often " Imagine if David Lemy would’ve said that | |||
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"Boris Johnson has been told to apologise for his remark that " ladies in Burkhas look like post boxes"!! Is that really a racist remark! No... Not very polite but that’s Boris for you..and he’s entitled to his opinion, he must just remember to engage brain before opening mouth more often Imagine if David Lemy would’ve said that "Would it of made headlines? Hmm I doubt it, but if it had been his or Diane abbots car that was vandalised then it’d be on every news bulletin imho.. | |||
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""escape goat" True, Boris wants right wing votes because he knows left wing voters aren’t stupid
I'd say left wing are extremely stupid "Oh, why is that? | |||
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"It's predominantly an oppression thing, it's no coincidence that women from an extremely hot country wear full length head to toe BLACK garments while men wear white. It's just age old basic commoner garden sexism!. You women stay home, don't work, have kids, wear what your told, do as your told and don't complain because Mohammed says it's ok to beat you (lightly). Some things need offending That might all be true, but you don't change the view of abusive, domineering men by banning articles of clothing their women wear..the mindset needs to be adjusted first. Why not? Covering the face is not a religious thing, covering hair is, but face isn't. It's a cultural one and part of a culture that is fundamentally incompatible with British values. " Erm why do British women wear a veil when they get married. The veil is not the value. The freedom to choose ones clothing is the value. The desire to educate and reform so that we can make more informed choices other than 'cos God said' is also a value. The desire to live in a society where we strive for the same thing as opposed to being forced to do the same thing is Also a value. | |||
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"But back to the OP's question: This cannot in any way be racist as there is no race involved. Arguably Islam itself is not even a race. How do we know what the race of the woman invisible in a Burkha is anyway? As it singles out women I am surprised the feminists haven't taken to the streets with shouts of 'sexism'. Not that it is impossible the person in the Burkha is actually a bloke....
Of course it will only be a matter of time before the Elf & Safetee idiots from the Royal Mail point out the dangers of poking letters in ladies' eyes .... "If it's not racist why do the racists shout 'go back to your Stan if you want to wear a burqa/niqab'?. It's covert racism. | |||
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"It's predominantly an oppression thing, it's no coincidence that women from an extremely hot country wear full length head to toe BLACK garments while men wear white. It's just age old basic commoner garden sexism!. You women stay home, don't work, have kids, wear what your told, do as your told and don't complain because Mohammed says it's ok to beat you (lightly). Some things need offending That might all be true, but you don't change the view of abusive, domineering men by banning articles of clothing their women wear..the mindset needs to be adjusted first. Why not? Covering the face is not a religious thing, covering hair is, but face isn't. It's a cultural one and part of a culture that is fundamentally incompatible with British values. Don't give a monkeys whether it's a religious thing or not, to me it's a daft piece of clothing (some) Muslim women wear, it doesn't affect me so I don't need to paraphrase any religious reasons others may choose to attach to it, it isn't my religion, it isn't me whose wearing it and it isn't for me to interfere with those who do. Bullshit. If a white Christian man told his wife she couldn't leave the house without a male relative then you'd call it abuse. If a white Christian family said their daughter didn't need educating, you'd call it abuse. You are not free to do whatever you like in this country. " You are though free to wear what you want within fairly broad parameters which is what we're discussing here. Challenging the behaviour of abusive men of any or no denomination will not be addressed by dictating what women are allowed to wear from a legal perspective, imagine how those men behave behind closed doors. | |||
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"If it's not racist why do the racists shout 'go back to your Stan if you want to wear a burqa/niqab'?. It's covert racism." Sorry but because someone shouts something like that does not make them a racist, covert or otherwise. You just attached the label to suit your opinion IMHO. One could equally argue that your projection of inferred racism means its you playing the race card. Just like Diane Abbott and David Lammy do at every opportunity. Shouting 'racism' does not make it so and here is a question for you - What race are the women wearing Burkhas? | |||
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