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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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Continue here, it was interesting to see you replies, do you think we will ever know what happened that evening? She could still be in hiding, maibe in afrika as it is close. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"There's no "truth" on these Madeleine threads it's all just speculation, myth and conjecture
... and hysteria 
There has not been a single hysterical post."
There was plenty, people get totally irrational over this case. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"So what's your opinion then?
I’m not adding to the debate, only that I suspect there were quite a few flat Earther believers in the last thread.
Bye bye then"
If you green arrow this guy, you’ll see what a lovely man he is.
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"So what's your opinion then?
I’m not adding to the debate, only that I suspect there were quite a few flat Earther believers in the last thread.
Bye bye then
If you green arrow this guy, you’ll see what a lovely man he is.
Kind regards X"
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What do we get if we green arrow you?  |
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"There's no "truth" on these Madeleine threads it's all just speculation, myth and conjecture "
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That's a bit, stating the fucking obvious isn't it.
I mean if we knew the truth we wouldn't be investigating it still |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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I think the parents were very wrong for leaving the children alone. As were all their friends too.
I think Maddie was abducted probably to sell but when they saw how unusual her eye is they most likely killed her because she was easy to recognise.
Originally i thought the parents possibly killed her but after reading the various police files i changed my mind.
Locally theres a fair bit of bad feeling about the whole thing especially because the parents left the children alone and went out but it has calmed down in recent years. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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Like most people that have responded I doubt we will ever know the full truth. Do I believe the parents are involved? I don't know but I think they are hiding a lot of facts. However I took some time to watch a number of you tube clips that were referenced earlier and I have to say they are a total joke. Full of heresay, presumptions and accusations that have not facts to back them up. In one video the director actually says, "I am 100% convinced that this possibly happened" videos like this do nothing except fuel people who love a conspiracy theory. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Like most people that have responded I doubt we will ever know the full truth. Do I believe the parents are involved? I don't know but I think they are hiding a lot of facts. However I took some time to watch a number of you tube clips that were referenced earlier and I have to say they are a total joke. Full of heresay, presumptions and accusations that have not facts to back them up. In one video the director actually says, "I am 100% convinced that this possibly happened" videos like this do nothing except fuel people who love a conspiracy theory. "
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I think the parents were very wrong for leaving the children alone. As were all their friends too.
I think Maddie was abducted probably to sell but when they saw how unusual her eye is they most likely killed her because she was easy to recognise.
Originally i thought the parents possibly killed her but after reading the various police files i changed my mind.
Locally theres a fair bit of bad feeling about the whole thing especially because the parents left the children alone and went out but it has calmed down in recent years."
I see where you’re coming from the only thing that makes me think otherwise is. If somebody is in the business of abducting children and selling them on it would mean the have contacts that buy kids. So in theory if they broke into that room and seen Maddie the twins and I believe the friends kids were there too. Wouldn’t you be trying to take them all because you’d get more for them? Just my thoughts on it because if it was for money that would be the logical thing to do. Logical if you are in that business of course! |
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"There's no "truth" on these Madeleine threads it's all just speculation, myth and conjecture
... and hysteria
There has not been a single hysterical post.
There was plenty, people get totally irrational over this case."
The forum is asking your opinion on what happened to Madeline yet your only offering your opinion on everyone who has posted on it. Why? |
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Either way whether the parents killed her or she was taken I blame the parents for her demise . Cos if I was them I would not forgive myself . How could you leave a child on her own . I could never leave a child on their own . |
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"Like most people that have responded I doubt we will ever know the full truth. Do I believe the parents are involved? I don't know but I think they are hiding a lot of facts. However I took some time to watch a number of you tube clips that were referenced earlier and I have to say they are a total joke. Full of heresay, presumptions and accusations that have not facts to back them up. In one video the director actually says, "I am 100% convinced that this possibly happened" videos like this do nothing except fuel people who love a conspiracy theory. "
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"Exactly that's my thoughts she never shed one tear if that was me I would not be able to confront the press . "
If they are found to be involved then as well as a full life prison term, they should be made to pay for the full cost of the millions that have been wasted on looking for her. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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I think its hard to say how you would behave unless you were in that position.
Im sure id do anything possible to get my child back and if that included talking to the press then id do that. |
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"I think the parents were very wrong for leaving the children alone. As were all their friends too.
I think Maddie was abducted probably to sell but when they saw how unusual her eye is they most likely killed her because she was easy to recognise.
Originally i thought the parents possibly killed her but after reading the various police files i changed my mind.
Locally theres a fair bit of bad feeling about the whole thing especially because the parents left the children alone and went out but it has calmed down in recent years."
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What evidence in the police files persuaded you that she was abducted? |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I think the parents were very wrong for leaving the children alone. As were all their friends too.
I think Maddie was abducted probably to sell but when they saw how unusual her eye is they most likely killed her because she was easy to recognise.
Originally i thought the parents possibly killed her but after reading the various police files i changed my mind.
Locally theres a fair bit of bad feeling about the whole thing especially because the parents left the children alone and went out but it has calmed down in recent years..
What evidence in the police files persuaded you that she was abducted?"
Its ages since i read them so id need to re read them to say for sure.
However the door was unlocked so easy entry for anyone. She also could have woke up and wandered out herself and been taken then. However id need to re read the files. |
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"I think the parents were very wrong for leaving the children alone. As were all their friends too.
I think Maddie was abducted probably to sell but when they saw how unusual her eye is they most likely killed her because she was easy to recognise.
Originally i thought the parents possibly killed her but after reading the various police files i changed my mind.
Locally theres a fair bit of bad feeling about the whole thing especially because the parents left the children alone and went out but it has calmed down in recent years..
What evidence in the police files persuaded you that she was abducted?
Its ages since i read them so id need to re read them to say for sure.
However the door was unlocked so easy entry for anyone. She also could have woke up and wandered out herself and been taken then. However id need to re read the files."
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Didn't the McCann's insist that there'd come through the window though? |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"So what's your opinion then?
I’m not adding to the debate, only that I suspect there were quite a few flat Earther believers in the last thread.
Bye bye then
If you green arrow this guy, you’ll see what a lovely man he is.
Kind regards X"
Thought this was a swinger site |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"So what's your opinion then?
I’m not adding to the debate, only that I suspect there were quite a few flat Earther believers in the last thread.
Bye bye then
If you green arrow this guy, you’ll see what a lovely man he is.
Kind regards X
Thought this was a swinger site "
Check some other posts then  |
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By *amissCouple
over a year ago
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"So what's your opinion then?
I’m not adding to the debate, only that I suspect there were quite a few flat Earther believers in the last thread.
Bye bye then
If you green arrow this guy, you’ll see what a lovely man he is.
Kind regards X
Thought this was a swinger site "
Quite right..it is a swingers site, but as you will see, the Lounge is for general discussion , about anything |
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By *al2001Man
over a year ago
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"So what's your opinion then?
I’m not adding to the debate, only that I suspect there were quite a few flat Earther believers in the last thread.
Bye bye then
If you green arrow this guy, you’ll see what a lovely man he is.
Kind regards X
Thought this was a swinger site "
The McCann's are an obviously swingers so its ok |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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I think Kate gave her a o.d or maddie was playing up Kate come back half cut lost her rag and killed her,told Gerry and they sneaked off during the night via the hire car and buried her in some woodlands or desert somewhere.That explains the evidence in the apartment and the reason why they had the hire car cleaned which also had evidence in it.I just don’t believe she was taken,okay maybe I don’t trust the locals and maybe she was sold but it’s too much of a risk and the couple seem sussed. |
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By *al2001Man
over a year ago
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"I think Kate gave her a o.d or maddie was playing up Kate come back half cut lost her rag and killed her,told Gerry and they sneaked off during the night via the hire car and buried her in some woodlands or desert somewhere.That explains the evidence in the apartment and the reason why they had the hire car cleaned which also had evidence in it.I just don’t believe she was taken,okay maybe I don’t trust the locals and maybe she was sold but it’s too much of a risk and the couple seem sussed."
I dont trust the locals either.they all have mustaches |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"The parents did it.
Never seen the mother she’d a single tear "
Some might say we all deal with grief in different ways but they have been so very very composed and I cant believe they havent broken down. Just very odd. Dont think we will never know what happened to Maddie. Too much money has been spent on the investigation in my opinion compared to that little boy Ben at the time of his disappearence all those years ago. Seems so wrong. |
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"There's no "truth" on these Madeleine threads it's all just speculation, myth and conjecture .
That's a bit, stating the fucking obvious isn't it.
I mean if we knew the truth we wouldn't be investigating it still "
Errrr my comment was based on the title of the threads????  |
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By *ky19Man
over a year ago
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"So what's your opinion then?
I’m not adding to the debate, only that I suspect there were quite a few flat Earther believers in the last thread. "
At least you aren't stating that for a fact. Who would they be? I personally don't believe in a flat earth (I do believe in the van Allen radiation belts however, but another time) but its probably still more credible than a Madeleine abduction story.
Interesting opinion on the Rich Hall films. Critical thinking has a welcome place, but do you also apply those standards to the 6:00 news etc or is it just for ones you don't like? For a real example of something really nonsensical, hypothetical, hearsay opinion and utter unsubstianted evidence vacuum, please refer to your nearest mainstream source on the matter.
The Rich Hall films are rubbish? What do they lack that BBC news, Sky, panorama and dispatches have? 
Unlike some posters here I will not set in stone others motives and reasons despite knowing nothing about them (definition of foolishness) or put words in their mouths.
I for one would like to improve my understanding and get closer to the truth so any information or constructive criticism is more than helpful. Looking forward to constructive debate working together. There hasn't really been any name calling in this thread which is good.
List of possible reasons for continuing to believe the McCanns. Anyone can add to it.
1.Sincere belief/opinion to best of knowledge.
2.Inability or unwillingness to accept being wrong.
3.Inability or unwillingness to accept the implications of a state/media cover up.
4.Being a troll or other kind of troublemaker for the sake of it. Well OK.
5.Playing devils advocate.
6.Being a friend of the McCanns, or plain biased in some other way.
P.s. why does Gerry do that smirk? The one that leaks out at inappropriate moments. Someone who disagrees would necessarily deny it's a clear case of duping delight. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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Can we post links to yootoob here as I watched some fascinating content on the subject of the parents and how they have already confess in interviews through embedded confessions |
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By *ky19Man
over a year ago
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And to make it clearer where I stand:
DNA consistent with Madeleine on walls below window, blood traces on that wall and also seeped under floor and covered. Past presence of a human death detected in that location (below window behind sofa).
Past presence of human death detected in wardrobe, McCanns hire car (all other cars checked, only that one alerted to), Kate McCanns clothes and Maddie's cuddle toy.
Statement analyst Peter Hyatt's conclusion of a death in the apartment, it was an accident, timeline must be questioned, Kate and Gerry have feared accusation, and a STRONG possibility of sexual abuse.
Based in part on the above, I put forward the following:
Madeleine was sedated but nevertheless awoke. Looking for her parents she tries to get up to the window to look. Failing this she climbed on the nearby sofa to climb across to the window.
Groggy from sedation she fell and hit her head on the hard windowsill, sadly fatally and lay behind the sofa to be found later by her parents.
They and their friends, all doctors failed to resuscitate her...
When clear she had died, all had to decide what to do next. They did not notify any authorities. A likely reason because the sedation would be revealed, but more worryingly, if sexual abuse was happening, this would be discovered.
Also, I'm interested that no statement analysis, psychological analysis, body language anything like that ever seems to be in favour of the McCanns, always against.
And so began the plan to stage the hoax abduction. All parties knew by this point, but they would act out the going to the tapas bar and all the rest on the reported night. Not much time to get their stories straight will explain the statements which are not just slightly inconsistent but absurdly nonsensical.
If not for Gerry's powerful connections they would have been done for straightaway. Despite the state rushing to their aid, it was not enough because the Portuguese police carried out their investigation properly and unhindered, and quickly pieced together what happened. This left Clarence Mitchell with a massive job to do to discredit the hardworking honest police in any way he could by getting lying misleading headlines and stories out to the newspapers.
The one that makes me smile is when he said his job is always "to get everything back to searching for Madeleine". Very very clever because it strongly appeals to people's emotions. What that rhetoric really meant was it was his job to continually divert people away from the evidence. Hence the bombardment of lies in the media for 10years.
They did a good job and they had me fooled! A very good job because even in 2018 a lot of people will still seemingly fight to the end for the abduction narrative. Yet their argument is so poor they can only resort to name calling and exclaiming such and such a film is utter bollocks!!! Etc that's about all they have it seems...
Thankfully the number of people who can see through it all is increasing, and surely the tide is turning.
There is approx zero evidence of basically anything that's been purported in the mainstream media since 2007 being true. |
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"It looked like somebody came through the window when the police arrived was the story"
Why would someone already inside the room raise the shutters on a window and clamber over a window sill on to a public main road with a child in their arms when the door to a quiet side street which they had already entered through was unlocked ? The only finger prints on the shutters are Kate's. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"And to make it clearer where I stand:
DNA consistent with Madeleine on walls below window, blood traces on that wall and also seeped under floor and covered. Past presence of a human death detected in that location (below window behind sofa).
Past presence of human death detected in wardrobe, McCanns hire car (all other cars checked, only that one alerted to), Kate McCanns clothes and Maddie's cuddle toy.
Statement analyst Peter Hyatt's conclusion of a death in the apartment, it was an accident, timeline must be questioned, Kate and Gerry have feared accusation, and a STRONG possibility of sexual abuse.
Based in part on the above, I put forward the following:
Madeleine was sedated but nevertheless awoke. Looking for her parents she tries to get up to the window to look. Failing this she climbed on the nearby sofa to climb across to the window.
Groggy from sedation she fell and hit her head on the hard windowsill, sadly fatally and lay behind the sofa to be found later by her parents.
They and their friends, all doctors failed to resuscitate her...
When clear she had died, all had to decide what to do next. They did not notify any authorities. A likely reason because the sedation would be revealed, but more worryingly, if sexual abuse was happening, this would be discovered.
Also, I'm interested that no statement analysis, psychological analysis, body language anything like that ever seems to be in favour of the McCanns, always against.
And so began the plan to stage the hoax abduction. All parties knew by this point, but they would act out the going to the tapas bar and all the rest on the reported night. Not much time to get their stories straight will explain the statements which are not just slightly inconsistent but absurdly nonsensical.
If not for Gerry's powerful connections they would have been done for straightaway. Despite the state rushing to their aid, it was not enough because the Portuguese police carried out their investigation properly and unhindered, and quickly pieced together what happened. This left Clarence Mitchell with a massive job to do to discredit the hardworking honest police in any way he could by getting lying misleading headlines and stories out to the newspapers.
The one that makes me smile is when he said his job is always "to get everything back to searching for Madeleine". Very very clever because it strongly appeals to people's emotions. What that rhetoric really meant was it was his job to continually divert people away from the evidence. Hence the bombardment of lies in the media for 10years.
They did a good job and they had me fooled! A very good job because even in 2018 a lot of people will still seemingly fight to the end for the abduction narrative. Yet their argument is so poor they can only resort to name calling and exclaiming such and such a film is utter bollocks!!! Etc that's about all they have it seems...
Thankfully the number of people who can see through it all is increasing, and surely the tide is turning.
There is approx zero evidence of basically anything that's been purported in the mainstream media since 2007 being true."
Close the thread this man has nailed it |
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Sky19. I agree with everything you say in your post. I think she died in the apartment the evening before she was reported abducted. She was signed into the kid's club but at a time when all the other kids and staff were on a trip to the beach. Obviously her parents trying to prove she was still alive while they decided how to dispose of her body. What happened to Gerry's tennis bag ? |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"And to make it clearer where I stand:
DNA consistent with Madeleine on walls below window, blood traces on that wall and also seeped under floor and covered. Past presence of a human death detected in that location (below window behind sofa).
Past presence of human death detected in wardrobe, McCanns hire car (all other cars checked, only that one alerted to), Kate McCanns clothes and Maddie's cuddle toy.
Statement analyst Peter Hyatt's conclusion of a death in the apartment, it was an accident, timeline must be questioned, Kate and Gerry have feared accusation, and a STRONG possibility of sexual abuse.
Based in part on the above, I put forward the following:
Madeleine was sedated but nevertheless awoke. Looking for her parents she tries to get up to the window to look. Failing this she climbed on the nearby sofa to climb across to the window.
Groggy from sedation she fell and hit her head on the hard windowsill, sadly fatally and lay behind the sofa to be found later by her parents.
They and their friends, all doctors failed to resuscitate her...
When clear she had died, all had to decide what to do next. They did not notify any authorities. A likely reason because the sedation would be revealed, but more worryingly, if sexual abuse was happening, this would be discovered.
Also, I'm interested that no statement analysis, psychological analysis, body language anything like that ever seems to be in favour of the McCanns, always against.
And so began the plan to stage the hoax abduction. All parties knew by this point, but they would act out the going to the tapas bar and all the rest on the reported night. Not much time to get their stories straight will explain the statements which are not just slightly inconsistent but absurdly nonsensical.
If not for Gerry's powerful connections they would have been done for straightaway. Despite the state rushing to their aid, it was not enough because the Portuguese police carried out their investigation properly and unhindered, and quickly pieced together what happened. This left Clarence Mitchell with a massive job to do to discredit the hardworking honest police in any way he could by getting lying misleading headlines and stories out to the newspapers.
The one that makes me smile is when he said his job is always "to get everything back to searching for Madeleine". Very very clever because it strongly appeals to people's emotions. What that rhetoric really meant was it was his job to continually divert people away from the evidence. Hence the bombardment of lies in the media for 10years.
They did a good job and they had me fooled! A very good job because even in 2018 a lot of people will still seemingly fight to the end for the abduction narrative. Yet their argument is so poor they can only resort to name calling and exclaiming such and such a film is utter bollocks!!! Etc that's about all they have it seems...
Thankfully the number of people who can see through it all is increasing, and surely the tide is turning.
There is approx zero evidence of basically anything that's been purported in the mainstream media since 2007 being true."
Have you read the police files ? |
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By *ky19Man
over a year ago
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"Can we post links to yootoob here as I watched some fascinating content on the subject of the parents and how they have already confess in interviews through embedded confessions "
Yoo sure can dood, as long as its YouTube only, I've even posted it for you:
Interview with Statement analyst Peter Hyatt (including the McCanns embedded confession!)
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=uS6ucYudNAo
Anyone who's in any way into crime documentaries etc and hasn't seen this, what are you waiting for! Hear Kate and Gerry confess - without even realising they're doing it.
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By *ky19Man
over a year ago
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I haven't read the police files but am aware of parts of them including the statements, and the Gaspar statements which I found interesting.
Did you know Leicestershire police didn't release the Gaspar statements to the Portuguese authorities until 5 months later, just after the inspector had been removed? |
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"There's no "truth" on these Madeleine threads it's all just speculation, myth and conjecture .
That's a bit, stating the fucking obvious isn't it.
I mean if we knew the truth we wouldn't be investigating it still
Errrr my comment was based on the title of the threads???? "
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But doesn't even police investigations start with speculation and conjecture?.
They build there hypothesis from evidence and facts which in reality is speculative, as more evidence is gained you either prove or disprove your thesis until you have a "good case".
Even that isn't the "truth" , it's just an admission that the general population have come to an agreement on via a court of law and even then that's still not the "truth" your looking for, just like Stephen Laurence's killers were found innocent, nobody declared it as the truth, we all felt there was more to it.
And just like that case although Kate and Gerry have never been charged, we all feel there's more to it.
As Columbo would say... Just one more thing  |
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By *al2001Man
over a year ago
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None of the so called "evidence" against the McCann's would stand up or even be brought to court
No hard evidence at all
Yet probably the same people condemning the McCann's are the same who were congratulating the peadophile cliff Richards aka kitty here for getting g money off BBC for being accused without trial |
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"None of the so called "evidence" against the McCann's would stand up or even be brought to court
No hard evidence at all
Yet probably the same people condemning the McCann's are the same who were congratulating the peadophile cliff Richards aka kitty here for getting g money off BBC for being accused without trial"
That's hilarious.
A man who quite rightly points out the nonsense of one daft conspiracy theory believes in a different one.
He got money for invasion of privacy by the way. He did not make any complaint about being accused or investigated. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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Wait .... cliff Richard has never had any allegation against him proven . His good name remains intact . Unless you know something no one else does ????? |
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By *al2001Man
over a year ago
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"Wait .... cliff Richard has never had any allegation against him proven . His good name remains intact . Unless you know something no one else does ????? "
The McCann's have not being charged and convicted of anything yet they are being called child killers here
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By *al2001Man
over a year ago
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"None of the so called "evidence" against the McCann's would stand up or even be brought to court
No hard evidence at all
Yet probably the same people condemning the McCann's are the same who were congratulating the peadophile cliff Richards aka kitty here for getting g money off BBC for being accused without trial
That's hilarious.
A man who quite rightly points out the nonsense of one daft conspiracy theory believes in a different one.
He got money for invasion of privacy by the way. He did not make any complaint about being accused or investigated. "
There is zero real evidence against the McCann's. If I missed it please list it out. Real evidence that would stand up in court
There was real evidence against cliff Richards and he had a case to answer its just the BBC made a mistake in reporting it
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"Wait .... cliff Richard has never had any allegation against him proven . His good name remains intact . Unless you know something no one else does ?????
The McCann's have not being charged and convicted of anything yet they are being called child killers here
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Can't argue with that. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"None of the so called "evidence" against the McCann's would stand up or even be brought to court
No hard evidence at all
Yet probably the same people condemning the McCann's are the same who were congratulating the peadophile cliff Richards aka kitty here for getting g money off BBC for being accused without trial"
I didn't congratulate him but I think the McCanns are guilty xx |
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By *ky19Man
over a year ago
Plymouth OYO Hotel |
Interesting.
I hear Goncalo Amoral (Portuguese inspector) believes Madeleine's body was/may have been cremated. I never thought of that.
This would explain Peter Hyatt's conclusion that Kate and Gerry are confident her body will not be found.
Maybe will post a source later, must sleep now. |
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"And to make it clearer where I stand:
DNA consistent with Madeleine on walls below window, blood traces on that wall and also seeped under floor and covered. Past presence of a human death detected in that location (below window behind sofa).
Past presence of human death detected in wardrobe, McCanns hire car (all other cars checked, only that one alerted to), Kate McCanns clothes and Maddie's cuddle toy.
Statement analyst Peter Hyatt's conclusion of a death in the apartment, it was an accident, timeline must be questioned, Kate and Gerry have feared accusation, and a STRONG possibility of sexual abuse.
Based in part on the above, I put forward the following:
Madeleine was sedated but nevertheless awoke. Looking for her parents she tries to get up to the window to look. Failing this she climbed on the nearby sofa to climb across to the window.
Groggy from sedation she fell and hit her head on the hard windowsill, sadly fatally and lay behind the sofa to be found later by her parents.
They and their friends, all doctors failed to resuscitate her...
When clear she had died, all had to decide what to do next. They did not notify any authorities. A likely reason because the sedation would be revealed, but more worryingly, if sexual abuse was happening, this would be discovered.
Also, I'm interested that no statement analysis, psychological analysis, body language anything like that ever seems to be in favour of the McCanns, always against.
And so began the plan to stage the hoax abduction. All parties knew by this point, but they would act out the going to the tapas bar and all the rest on the reported night. Not much time to get their stories straight will explain the statements which are not just slightly inconsistent but absurdly nonsensical.
If not for Gerry's powerful connections they would have been done for straightaway. Despite the state rushing to their aid, it was not enough because the Portuguese police carried out their investigation properly and unhindered, and quickly pieced together what happened. This left Clarence Mitchell with a massive job to do to discredit the hardworking honest police in any way he could by getting lying misleading headlines and stories out to the newspapers.
The one that makes me smile is when he said his job is always "to get everything back to searching for Madeleine". Very very clever because it strongly appeals to people's emotions. What that rhetoric really meant was it was his job to continually divert people away from the evidence. Hence the bombardment of lies in the media for 10years.
They did a good job and they had me fooled! A very good job because even in 2018 a lot of people will still seemingly fight to the end for the abduction narrative. Yet their argument is so poor they can only resort to name calling and exclaiming such and such a film is utter bollocks!!! Etc that's about all they have it seems...
Thankfully the number of people who can see through it all is increasing, and surely the tide is turning.
There is approx zero evidence of basically anything that's been purported in the mainstream media since 2007 being true."
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Think about it : the police stopped looking for Maddie for years. If they were guilty of her murder or abduction then wouldn’t they just want everything to stay quiet and die a literal death so they could get away scott free?
Instead they’ve continued to campaign for the search to continue and the Met Police to dedicate special resources to help.
You don’t INVITE specialist police involvement if they might turn up evidence of your own guilt.
I think they’re innocent (other than of gross negligence / child neglect) - they didn’t kill Maddie, and how horrific to be accused of such a heinous crime assuming that they are innocent! |
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"Think about it : the police stopped looking for Maddie for years. If they were guilty of her murder or abduction then wouldn’t they just want everything to stay quiet and die a literal death so they could get away scott free?
Instead they’ve continued to campaign for the search to continue and the Met Police to dedicate special resources to help.
You don’t INVITE specialist police involvement if they might turn up evidence of your own guilt.
I think they’re innocent (other than of gross negligence / child neglect) - they didn’t kill Maddie, and how horrific to be accused of such a heinous crime assuming that they are innocent! "
Sorry to drag this one up, I just saw the reply in my recent post. My posts tend to be pretty evidence based if you think about it, in contrast to the rampant conspiracy theory of an abduction.
The one thing I've always feared is being one of the sheep (I'm sorry that doesn't get old) who witch hunt someone who's probably innocent. That's the one thing I don't want to be. This is why I supported the McCanns for 11 years, how awful it was for them to have to be accused on top of losing their daughter.
I always admired how they never gave up hope despite being told to let go. Then I realised the last thing they ever wanted was her found and autopsied.
Benefit of the doubt can go a long way but in some cases it becomes too obvious. I won't choose the cognitive dissonance of knowingly believing a lie.
If you'd been scammed wouldn't you want to know? Truth sets ya free.
If you look at Kate and Gerry they have only cared about themselves.
As explained, they don't go to the media, the establishment arranges these things for them because it reinforces the abduction conspiracy theory. The truth is making progress and more and more people are realising they've been had. It's usually when the voices become significant that you then start seeing these articles again, which assure us of 'how things definitely really are' and things die down slightly. As you can see from the posts in this thread, it works. It's a psychological war, used with our money.
They'd never had had a chance without the full might of the state and their media working for them. Again I want to confirm that former MP Jack McCann was Gerry's grandfather, and what his relationship was to other MP Sir Cyril Smith. I don't think Gerry denied knowing Gordon Brown personally - before the incident - he just refused to answer.
I'm trusting the posts in this thread are well meaning and come from a good place. I post because I don't like seeing people being deceived and taken for a ride, so give snippets like snacks on a plate to give everyone the choice to do what they like with it.
I guess it comes down to whether you believe Inspector Amoral (his actual words rather than what the Sun has written about him) or Tony Blair's former Media manager Clarence Mitchell, who bragged that his job was to "control what goes out to the Media".
Here's a funny video about lies from their spokesman
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zzikQRswVpw
No-one needs to wear a tin-foil hat but it's also unhealthy to hold to the way everything is officially portrayed no matter what. When it's true it tends to stand up to scrutiny. When it doesn't, it tends to REALLY not stand up at all, and that's when questions need to start. The McCanns' tale doesn't stand up remotely. |
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"Think about it : the police stopped looking for Maddie for years. If they were guilty of her murder or abduction then wouldn’t they just want everything to stay quiet and die a literal death so they could get away scott free?
Instead they’ve continued to campaign for the search to continue and the Met Police to dedicate special resources to help.
You don’t INVITE specialist police involvement if they might turn up evidence of your own guilt.
I think they’re innocent (other than of gross negligence / child neglect) - they didn’t kill Maddie, and how horrific to be accused of such a heinous crime assuming that they are innocent!
Sorry to drag this one up, I just saw the reply in my recent post. My posts tend to be pretty evidence based if you think about it, in contrast to the rampant conspiracy theory of an abduction.
The one thing I've always feared is being one of the sheep (I'm sorry that doesn't get old) who witch hunt someone who's probably innocent. That's the one thing I don't want to be. This is why I supported the McCanns for 11 years, how awful it was for them to have to be accused on top of losing their daughter.
I always admired how they never gave up hope despite being told to let go. Then I realised the last thing they ever wanted was her found and autopsied.
Benefit of the doubt can go a long way but in some cases it becomes too obvious. I won't choose the cognitive dissonance of knowingly believing a lie.
If you'd been scammed wouldn't you want to know? Truth sets ya free.
If you look at Kate and Gerry they have only cared about themselves.
As explained, they don't go to the media, the establishment arranges these things for them because it reinforces the abduction conspiracy theory. The truth is making progress and more and more people are realising they've been had. It's usually when the voices become significant that you then start seeing these articles again, which assure us of 'how things definitely really are' and things die down slightly. As you can see from the posts in this thread, it works. It's a psychological war, used with our money.
They'd never had had a chance without the full might of the state and their media working for them. Again I want to confirm that former MP Jack McCann was Gerry's grandfather, and what his relationship was to other MP Sir Cyril Smith. I don't think Gerry denied knowing Gordon Brown personally - before the incident - he just refused to answer.
I'm trusting the posts in this thread are well meaning and come from a good place. I post because I don't like seeing people being deceived and taken for a ride, so give snippets like snacks on a plate to give everyone the choice to do what they like with it.
I guess it comes down to whether you believe Inspector Amoral (his actual words rather than what the Sun has written about him) or Tony Blair's former Media manager Clarence Mitchell, who bragged that his job was to "control what goes out to the Media".
Here's a funny video about lies from their spokesman
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zzikQRswVpw
No-one needs to wear a tin-foil hat but it's also unhealthy to hold to the way everything is officially portrayed no matter what. When it's true it tends to stand up to scrutiny. When it doesn't, it tends to REALLY not stand up at all, and that's when questions need to start. The McCanns' tale doesn't stand up remotely."
Rich hall provides no actual evidence of a murder or cover up. He provides nothing of value from his you tube videos other than hearsay . He mostly goes on about people saying differing times and not knowing the exact times of events and about a door maybe being more open than it was . And about the dna in the car evidence
Amoral was lucky to keep his job after forging lies and beating a woman suspect. So no I don’t believe a word he says especially as he fed the media lies about the “blood”found .
Answer this question if you will. In a police investigation where you say you have found blood in a hire car and on Kate’s clothes would you give the items back to the suspects ?
The hire car was returned to Gerry the same night the dogs checked it over and they kept that car until their last day in Portugal. The clothes the dog barked at that belonged to Kate were then worn by Kate on the flight the day they left Portugal. Don’t you find that odd?
It’s also a massive big thing to believe parents would murder a child or sell it to paedophiles that they had spent years on ivf trying to have. To then take her on holiday to a place they didn’t know and do it there.
And who cares who they may or may not have known , what does that make a difference to them going to jail or not ? Pretty sure there’s lots of people in jail or have been jailed that know politicians |
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over a year ago
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"Think about it : the police stopped looking for Maddie for years. If they were guilty of her murder or abduction then wouldn’t they just want everything to stay quiet and die a literal death so they could get away scott free?
Instead they’ve continued to campaign for the search to continue and the Met Police to dedicate special resources to help.
You don’t INVITE specialist police involvement if they might turn up evidence of your own guilt.
I think they’re innocent (other than of gross negligence / child neglect) - they didn’t kill Maddie, and how horrific to be accused of such a heinous crime assuming that they are innocent!
Sorry to drag this one up, I just saw the reply in my recent post. My posts tend to be pretty evidence based if you think about it, in contrast to the rampant conspiracy theory of an abduction.
The one thing I've always feared is being one of the sheep (I'm sorry that doesn't get old) who witch hunt someone who's probably innocent. That's the one thing I don't want to be. This is why I supported the McCanns for 11 years, how awful it was for them to have to be accused on top of losing their daughter.
I always admired how they never gave up hope despite being told to let go. Then I realised the last thing they ever wanted was her found and autopsied.
Benefit of the doubt can go a long way but in some cases it becomes too obvious. I won't choose the cognitive dissonance of knowingly believing a lie.
If you'd been scammed wouldn't you want to know? Truth sets ya free.
If you look at Kate and Gerry they have only cared about themselves.
As explained, they don't go to the media, the establishment arranges these things for them because it reinforces the abduction conspiracy theory. The truth is making progress and more and more people are realising they've been had. It's usually when the voices become significant that you then start seeing these articles again, which assure us of 'how things definitely really are' and things die down slightly. As you can see from the posts in this thread, it works. It's a psychological war, used with our money.
They'd never had had a chance without the full might of the state and their media working for them. Again I want to confirm that former MP Jack McCann was Gerry's grandfather, and what his relationship was to other MP Sir Cyril Smith. I don't think Gerry denied knowing Gordon Brown personally - before the incident - he just refused to answer.
I'm trusting the posts in this thread are well meaning and come from a good place. I post because I don't like seeing people being deceived and taken for a ride, so give snippets like snacks on a plate to give everyone the choice to do what they like with it.
I guess it comes down to whether you believe Inspector Amoral (his actual words rather than what the Sun has written about him) or Tony Blair's former Media manager Clarence Mitchell, who bragged that his job was to "control what goes out to the Media".
Here's a funny video about lies from their spokesman
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zzikQRswVpw
No-one needs to wear a tin-foil hat but it's also unhealthy to hold to the way everything is officially portrayed no matter what. When it's true it tends to stand up to scrutiny. When it doesn't, it tends to REALLY not stand up at all, and that's when questions need to start. The McCanns' tale doesn't stand up remotely."
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"Think about it : the police stopped looking for Maddie for years. If they were guilty of her murder or abduction then wouldn’t they just want everything to stay quiet and die a literal death so they could get away scott free?
Instead they’ve continued to campaign for the search to continue and the Met Police to dedicate special resources to help.
You don’t INVITE specialist police involvement if they might turn up evidence of your own guilt.
I think they’re innocent (other than of gross negligence / child neglect) - they didn’t kill Maddie, and how horrific to be accused of such a heinous crime assuming that they are innocent!
Sorry to drag this one up, I just saw the reply in my recent post. My posts tend to be pretty evidence based if you think about it, in contrast to the rampant conspiracy theory of an abduction.
The one thing I've always feared is being one of the sheep (I'm sorry that doesn't get old) who witch hunt someone who's probably innocent. That's the one thing I don't want to be. This is why I supported the McCanns for 11 years, how awful it was for them to have to be accused on top of losing their daughter.
I always admired how they never gave up hope despite being told to let go. Then I realised the last thing they ever wanted was her found and autopsied.
Benefit of the doubt can go a long way but in some cases it becomes too obvious. I won't choose the cognitive dissonance of knowingly believing a lie.
If you'd been scammed wouldn't you want to know? Truth sets ya free.
If you look at Kate and Gerry they have only cared about themselves.
As explained, they don't go to the media, the establishment arranges these things for them because it reinforces the abduction conspiracy theory. The truth is making progress and more and more people are realising they've been had. It's usually when the voices become significant that you then start seeing these articles again, which assure us of 'how things definitely really are' and things die down slightly. As you can see from the posts in this thread, it works. It's a psychological war, used with our money.
They'd never had had a chance without the full might of the state and their media working for them. Again I want to confirm that former MP Jack McCann was Gerry's grandfather, and what his relationship was to other MP Sir Cyril Smith. I don't think Gerry denied knowing Gordon Brown personally - before the incident - he just refused to answer.
I'm trusting the posts in this thread are well meaning and come from a good place. I post because I don't like seeing people being deceived and taken for a ride, so give snippets like snacks on a plate to give everyone the choice to do what they like with it.
I guess it comes down to whether you believe Inspector Amoral (his actual words rather than what the Sun has written about him) or Tony Blair's former Media manager Clarence Mitchell, who bragged that his job was to "control what goes out to the Media".
Here's a funny video about lies from their spokesman
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zzikQRswVpw
No-one needs to wear a tin-foil hat but it's also unhealthy to hold to the way everything is officially portrayed no matter what. When it's true it tends to stand up to scrutiny. When it doesn't, it tends to REALLY not stand up at all, and that's when questions need to start. The McCanns' tale doesn't stand up remotely.
Rich hall provides no actual evidence of a murder or cover up. He provides nothing of value from his you tube videos other than hearsay . He mostly goes on about people saying differing times and not knowing the exact times of events and about a door maybe being more open than it was . And about the dna in the car evidence
Amoral was lucky to keep his job after forging lies and beating a woman suspect. So no I don’t believe a word he says especially as he fed the media lies about the “blood”found .
Answer this question if you will. In a police investigation where you say you have found blood in a hire car and on Kate’s clothes would you give the items back to the suspects ?
The hire car was returned to Gerry the same night the dogs checked it over and they kept that car until their last day in Portugal. The clothes the dog barked at that belonged to Kate were then worn by Kate on the flight the day they left Portugal. Don’t you find that odd?
It’s also a massive big thing to believe parents would murder a child or sell it to paedophiles that they had spent years on ivf trying to have. To then take her on holiday to a place they didn’t know and do it there.
And who cares who they may or may not have known , what does that make a difference to them going to jail or not ? Pretty sure there’s lots of people in jail or have been jailed that know politicians "
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"Think about it : the police stopped looking for Maddie for years. If they were guilty of her murder or abduction then wouldn’t they just want everything to stay quiet and die a literal death so they could get away scott free?
Instead they’ve continued to campaign for the search to continue and the Met Police to dedicate special resources to help.
You don’t INVITE specialist police involvement if they might turn up evidence of your own guilt.
I think they’re innocent (other than of gross negligence / child neglect) - they didn’t kill Maddie, and how horrific to be accused of such a heinous crime assuming that they are innocent!
Sorry to drag this one up, I just saw the reply in my recent post. My posts tend to be pretty evidence based if you think about it, in contrast to the rampant conspiracy theory of an abduction.
The one thing I've always feared is being one of the sheep (I'm sorry that doesn't get old) who witch hunt someone who's probably innocent. That's the one thing I don't want to be. This is why I supported the McCanns for 11 years, how awful it was for them to have to be accused on top of losing their daughter.
I always admired how they never gave up hope despite being told to let go. Then I realised the last thing they ever wanted was her found and autopsied.
Benefit of the doubt can go a long way but in some cases it becomes too obvious. I won't choose the cognitive dissonance of knowingly believing a lie.
If you'd been scammed wouldn't you want to know? Truth sets ya free.
If you look at Kate and Gerry they have only cared about themselves.
As explained, they don't go to the media, the establishment arranges these things for them because it reinforces the abduction conspiracy theory. The truth is making progress and more and more people are realising they've been had. It's usually when the voices become significant that you then start seeing these articles again, which assure us of 'how things definitely really are' and things die down slightly. As you can see from the posts in this thread, it works. It's a psychological war, used with our money.
They'd never had had a chance without the full might of the state and their media working for them. Again I want to confirm that former MP Jack McCann was Gerry's grandfather, and what his relationship was to other MP Sir Cyril Smith. I don't think Gerry denied knowing Gordon Brown personally - before the incident - he just refused to answer.
I'm trusting the posts in this thread are well meaning and come from a good place. I post because I don't like seeing people being deceived and taken for a ride, so give snippets like snacks on a plate to give everyone the choice to do what they like with it.
I guess it comes down to whether you believe Inspector Amoral (his actual words rather than what the Sun has written about him) or Tony Blair's former Media manager Clarence Mitchell, who bragged that his job was to "control what goes out to the Media".
Here's a funny video about lies from their spokesman
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zzikQRswVpw
No-one needs to wear a tin-foil hat but it's also unhealthy to hold to the way everything is officially portrayed no matter what. When it's true it tends to stand up to scrutiny. When it doesn't, it tends to REALLY not stand up at all, and that's when questions need to start. The McCanns' tale doesn't stand up remotely.
Rich hall provides no actual evidence of a murder or cover up. He provides nothing of value from his you tube videos other than hearsay . He mostly goes on about people saying differing times and not knowing the exact times of events and about a door maybe being more open than it was . And about the dna in the car evidence
Amoral was lucky to keep his job after forging lies and beating a woman suspect. So no I don’t believe a word he says especially as he fed the media lies about the “blood”found .
Answer this question if you will. In a police investigation where you say you have found blood in a hire car and on Kate’s clothes would you give the items back to the suspects ?
The hire car was returned to Gerry the same night the dogs checked it over and they kept that car until their last day in Portugal. The clothes the dog barked at that belonged to Kate were then worn by Kate on the flight the day they left Portugal. Don’t you find that odd?
It’s also a massive big thing to believe parents would murder a child or sell it to paedophiles that they had spent years on ivf trying to have. To then take her on holiday to a place they didn’t know and do it there.
And who cares who they may or may not have known , what does that make a difference to them going to jail or not ? Pretty sure there’s lots of people in jail or have been jailed that know politicians
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"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=70oo2-Sj7to"
That video is a load of conspiracy and hearsay rubbish. There is zero evidence to suggest they killed her. If you believe anything he says you will believe that there was no moon landing , the queen is a lizard and that every thing that has ever happened is a police cover up. |
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"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=70oo2-Sj7to
That video is a load of conspiracy and hearsay rubbish. There is zero evidence to suggest they killed her. If you believe anything he says you will believe that there was no moon landing , the queen is a lizard and that every thing that has ever happened is a police cover up. "
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"There's always money to be made out of conspiracy theories."
There sure is. And indeed the ongoing conspiracy theories we've been fed by the news about 'abductors' and the like have helped rake in a lot.
People like Sonia Poulton and Richard D Hall don't make money from their work (aside to maybe cover costs), and in fact in have sacrificed good careers for their work. |
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"The truth behind the lie. I have the book. Translated from Portuguese to English on pdf. Very interesting. Definitely worth a read x"
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The simplest explanation is often the case.
Parents were twats leaving them alone.
Kid was snatched from apartment.
Kid may rock up in 20 years time like those stories you read about, the long term captive. |
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"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=70oo2-Sj7to
That video is a load of conspiracy and hearsay rubbish. There is zero evidence to suggest they killed her. If you believe anything he says you will believe that there was no moon landing , the queen is a lizard and that every thing that has ever happened is a police cover up. "
Why was Clarence Mitchell drafted in ?? You'll be saying SpaceX can land thruster rockets on a floating barge next . |
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"There's always money to be made out of conspiracy theories.
There sure is. And indeed the ongoing conspiracy theories we've been fed by the news about 'abductors' and the like have helped rake in a lot.
People like Sonia Poulton and Richard D Hall don't make money from their work (aside to maybe cover costs), and in fact in have sacrificed good careers for their work."
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"She could still be in hiding,
If she was she'd be the hide and seek champion of this century.
She'll have to go a bit yet to beat Lord Lucan ."
He was last century's winner. |
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"So what's your opinion then?
I’m not adding to the debate, only that I suspect there were quite a few flat Earther believers in the last thread.
Bye bye then
If you green arrow this guy, you’ll see what a lovely man he is.
Kind regards X"
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"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=70oo2-Sj7to
That video is a load of conspiracy and hearsay rubbish. There is zero evidence to suggest they killed her. If you believe anything he says you will believe that there was no moon landing , the queen is a lizard and that every thing that has ever happened is a police cover up.
Why was Clarence Mitchell drafted in ?? You'll be saying SpaceX can land thruster rockets on a floating barge next ."
You do know that Clarence Mitchell at the time was was working for the foreign office . And it was them that sent him to Portugal (not tony Blair) and he was sent to deal with the unprecedented media that had never been seen before. He then decided to stay as their spokesperson. |
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"She died that night. No doubt
Well there is doubt as there’s no evidence she did."
Maddies Blood DNA in the bedroom along with evidence of the presence of a cadaver there,,also on Kate's items of clothing...also in the hired car,rented 'one month' after Maddies disappearance.
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"She died that night. No doubt
Well there is doubt as there’s no evidence she did.
Maddies Blood DNA in the bedroom along with evidence of the presence of a cadaver there,,also on Kate's items of clothing...also in the hired car,rented 'one month' after Maddies disappearance.
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There's so much "information" available on this subject and its human nature to give more weight to the "evidence" that fits with your opinion of what happened. Only one or two people know for sure |
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"She died that night. No doubt
Well there is doubt as there’s no evidence she did.
Maddies Blood DNA in the bedroom along with evidence of the presence of a cadaver there,,also on Kate's items of clothing...also in the hired car,rented 'one month' after Maddies disappearance.
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It Wasn’t her dna plus if you think it was why was was the hire car given back to them to use ? And Kate’s clothes that were shown by the Portuguese police were the same clothes she was wearing the day she arrived back in the uk. Pretty sure they wouldn’t be given back in either case if there was any credible dna evidence on them. |
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"Why does this case get so much coverage and money chucked at it "
because when it happened it was the start of social media and every news station in the world wanted a part of it. Most children that go missing are found pretty quick (alive or dead) and others are older that have chosen to run away.
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"Why does this case get so much coverage and money chucked at it because when it happened it was the start of social media and every news station in the world wanted a part of it. Most children that go missing are found pretty quick (alive or dead) and others are older that have chosen to run away. "
so kids that went missing before the social media boom should not get the same attention? Bit unfair don’t you think
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"Why does this case get so much coverage and money chucked at it because when it happened it was the start of social media and every news station in the world wanted a part of it. Most children that go missing are found pretty quick (alive or dead) and others are older that have chosen to run away. so kids that went missing before the social media boom should not get the same attention? Bit unfair don’t you think "
it’s nothing to do with being fair. It’s circumstances at that particular moment.
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"Why does this case get so much coverage and money chucked at it because when it happened it was the start of social media and every news station in the world wanted a part of it. Most children that go missing are found pretty quick (alive or dead) and others are older that have chosen to run away. so kids that went missing before the social media boom should not get the same attention? Bit unfair don’t you think it’s nothing to do with being fair. It’s circumstances at that particular moment. "
circumstances at the time ??? What’s the difference between a kid that went missing then to let’s say pre the social media boom I wonder if Ben needhams parents would agree with that I doubt it
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"Why does this case get so much coverage and money chucked at it because when it happened it was the start of social media and every news station in the world wanted a part of it. Most children that go missing are found pretty quick (alive or dead) and others are older that have chosen to run away. so kids that went missing before the social media boom should not get the same attention? Bit unfair don’t you think it’s nothing to do with being fair. It’s circumstances at that particular moment. circumstances at the time ??? What’s the difference between a kid that went missing then to let’s say pre the social media boom I wonder if Ben needhams parents would agree with that I doubt it "
there is no difference. Your original point was why do they get all the attention. Ben needham is still in the papers each year. And money was spent looking for him.
He was another child that wasn’t being watched but no one is saying his grandparents did it . Why is there no conspiracy about them drugging the child and hiding the body |
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"Why does this case get so much coverage and money chucked at it because when it happened it was the start of social media and every news station in the world wanted a part of it. Most children that go missing are found pretty quick (alive or dead) and others are older that have chosen to run away. so kids that went missing before the social media boom should not get the same attention? Bit unfair don’t you think it’s nothing to do with being fair. It’s circumstances at that particular moment. circumstances at the time ??? What’s the difference between a kid that went missing then to let’s say pre the social media boom I wonder if Ben needhams parents would agree with that I doubt it there is no difference. Your original point was why do they get all the attention. Ben needham is still in the papers each year. And money was spent looking for him.
He was another child that wasn’t being watched but no one is saying his grandparents did it . Why is there no conspiracy about them drugging the child and hiding the body "
I often wonder this. He was outside alone at a very young age, was he 2? |
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"Why does this case get so much coverage and money chucked at it because when it happened it was the start of social media and every news station in the world wanted a part of it. Most children that go missing are found pretty quick (alive or dead) and others are older that have chosen to run away. so kids that went missing before the social media boom should not get the same attention? Bit unfair don’t you think it’s nothing to do with being fair. It’s circumstances at that particular moment. circumstances at the time ??? What’s the difference between a kid that went missing then to let’s say pre the social media boom I wonder if Ben needhams parents would agree with that I doubt it there is no difference. Your original point was why do they get all the attention. Ben needham is still in the papers each year. And money was spent looking for him.
He was another child that wasn’t being watched but no one is saying his grandparents did it . Why is there no conspiracy about them drugging the child and hiding the body
I often wonder this. He was outside alone at a very young age, was he 2?"
Yes he was 2 and was left running around a construction site.
The McCanns are unfortunately victims of the social media age. 99% of stories out there are made up yet people choose to believe them . If it has happened a year earlier before Facebook and online news was big then people wouldn’t have this strange hatred for them . |
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"Why does this case get so much coverage and money chucked at it because when it happened it was the start of social media and every news station in the world wanted a part of it. Most children that go missing are found pretty quick (alive or dead) and others are older that have chosen to run away. so kids that went missing before the social media boom should not get the same attention? Bit unfair don’t you think it’s nothing to do with being fair. It’s circumstances at that particular moment. circumstances at the time ??? What’s the difference between a kid that went missing then to let’s say pre the social media boom I wonder if Ben needhams parents would agree with that I doubt it there is no difference. Your original point was why do they get all the attention. Ben needham is still in the papers each year. And money was spent looking for him.
He was another child that wasn’t being watched but no one is saying his grandparents did it . Why is there no conspiracy about them drugging the child and hiding the body
I often wonder this. He was outside alone at a very young age, was he 2?
Yes he was 2 and was left running around a construction site.
The McCanns are unfortunately victims of the social media age. 99% of stories out there are made up yet people choose to believe them . If it has happened a year earlier before Facebook and online news was big then people wouldn’t have this strange hatred for them . "
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"Continue here, it was interesting to see you replies, do you think we will ever know what happened that evening? She could still be in hiding, maibe in afrika as it is close."
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There's also an element of inverted snobbery I think. "
Yes why anyone thinks a cardiologist and a gp (who had quit her job 2 years earlier to be a full time mum) would be above the law just because Gerry went to the same school as Gordon Brown (20 years after) is a joke. They had an average house and were on holiday in a basic resort |
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"Either way whether the parents killed her or she was taken I blame the parents for her demise . Cos if I was them I would not forgive myself . How could you leave a child on her own . I could never leave a child on their own ."
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"No truth? I suggest there is....truth that left babies in a vulnerable situation which is a crime. Fact!"
The law says you shouldn’t leave children alone if there’s a risk. They didn’t believe there was a risk. If they had been guilty of neglect they would have been arrested. Social workers visited them on their return to England and deemed them fit to keep their other children .
They thought they were safe as do a lot of families when on holiday . Just like parents who let their kids wonder the streets on every estate in England. They believe they are safe until that one in a million chance it goes wrong. And it takes one family to make that mistake for everyone else to learn from it . |
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"No truth? I suggest there is....truth that left babies in a vulnerable situation which is a crime. Fact!
The law says you shouldn’t leave children alone if there’s a risk. They didn’t believe there was a risk. If they had been guilty of neglect they would have been arrested. Social workers visited them on their return to England and deemed them fit to keep their other children .
They thought they were safe as do a lot of families when on holiday . Just like parents who let their kids wonder the streets on every estate in England. They believe they are safe until that one in a million chance it goes wrong. And it takes one family to make that mistake for everyone else to learn from it . "
Do you think it is safe to leave 3 children in an open apartment / house while you go socialising on holiday/ at home to the pub? |
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"No truth? I suggest there is....truth that left babies in a vulnerable situation which is a crime. Fact!
The law says you shouldn’t leave children alone if there’s a risk. They didn’t believe there was a risk. If they had been guilty of neglect they would have been arrested. Social workers visited them on their return to England and deemed them fit to keep their other children .
They thought they were safe as do a lot of families when on holiday . Just like parents who let their kids wonder the streets on every estate in England. They believe they are safe until that one in a million chance it goes wrong. And it takes one family to make that mistake for everyone else to learn from it . "
Fact is the child was vulnerable! Unless they did it of course. She is missing, hence vulnerable. And I suggest if wad working class couple who did the same in Blackpool on holiday, the social services would have found them guilty |
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"No truth? I suggest there is....truth that left babies in a vulnerable situation which is a crime. Fact!
The law says you shouldn’t leave children alone if there’s a risk. They didn’t believe there was a risk. If they had been guilty of neglect they would have been arrested. Social workers visited them on their return to England and deemed them fit to keep their other children .
They thought they were safe as do a lot of families when on holiday . Just like parents who let their kids wonder the streets on every estate in England. They believe they are safe until that one in a million chance it goes wrong. And it takes one family to make that mistake for everyone else to learn from it .
Do you think it is safe to leave 3 children in an open apartment / house while you go socialising on holiday/ at home to the pub?"
I’m not saying it’s right I’m saying they didn't believe it to be a risk. They were wrong to believe that. But it doesn’t make them murderers or bad people. And it doesn’t mean they should face 12 years of hatred . They have lost their daughter and they have to live with that |
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"No truth? I suggest there is....truth that left babies in a vulnerable situation which is a crime. Fact!
The law says you shouldn’t leave children alone if there’s a risk. They didn’t believe there was a risk. If they had been guilty of neglect they would have been arrested. Social workers visited them on their return to England and deemed them fit to keep their other children .
They thought they were safe as do a lot of families when on holiday . Just like parents who let their kids wonder the streets on every estate in England. They believe they are safe until that one in a million chance it goes wrong. And it takes one family to make that mistake for everyone else to learn from it .
Fact is the child was vulnerable! Unless they did it of course. She is missing, hence vulnerable. And I suggest if wad working class couple who did the same in Blackpool on holiday, the social services would have found them guilty"
Was does their class have to do with it ?? That’s all part of the stupid conspiracy theories . She was a gp that hadn’t worked for two years and he was a cardiologist. Hardly upper class and barely middle class. There are thousands of kids with bad parents that haven’t had their kids taken off them from all walks of life. |
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"No truth? I suggest there is....truth that left babies in a vulnerable situation which is a crime. Fact!
The law says you shouldn’t leave children alone if there’s a risk. They didn’t believe there was a risk. If they had been guilty of neglect they would have been arrested. Social workers visited them on their return to England and deemed them fit to keep their other children .
They thought they were safe as do a lot of families when on holiday . Just like parents who let their kids wonder the streets on every estate in England. They believe they are safe until that one in a million chance it goes wrong. And it takes one family to make that mistake for everyone else to learn from it .
Fact is the child was vulnerable! Unless they did it of course. She is missing, hence vulnerable. And I suggest if wad working class couple who did the same in Blackpool on holiday, the social services would have found them guilty
Was does their class have to do with it ?? That’s all part of the stupid conspiracy theories . She was a gp that hadn’t worked for two years and he was a cardiologist. Hardly upper class and barely middle class. There are thousands of kids with bad parents that haven’t had their kids taken off them from all walks of life. "
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"No truth? I suggest there is....truth that left babies in a vulnerable situation which is a crime. Fact!
The law says you shouldn’t leave children alone if there’s a risk. They didn’t believe there was a risk. If they had been guilty of neglect they would have been arrested. Social workers visited them on their return to England and deemed them fit to keep their other children .
They thought they were safe as do a lot of families when on holiday . Just like parents who let their kids wonder the streets on every estate in England. They believe they are safe until that one in a million chance it goes wrong. And it takes one family to make that mistake for everyone else to learn from it .
Do you think it is safe to leave 3 children in an open apartment / house while you go socialising on holiday/ at home to the pub?
I’m not saying it’s right I’m saying they didn't believe it to be a risk. They were wrong to believe that. But it doesn’t make them murderers or bad people. And it doesn’t mean they should face 12 years of hatred . They have lost their daughter and they have to live with that "
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" She was a gp that hadn’t worked for two years "
She worked part time. That is how she explained away that the dogs smelled death on her clothes because she wore them when certifying patients dead. |
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"No truth? I suggest there is....truth that left babies in a vulnerable situation which is a crime. Fact!
The law says you shouldn’t leave children alone if there’s a risk. They didn’t believe there was a risk. If they had been guilty of neglect they would have been arrested. Social workers visited them on their return to England and deemed them fit to keep their other children .
They thought they were safe as do a lot of families when on holiday . Just like parents who let their kids wonder the streets on every estate in England. They believe they are safe until that one in a million chance it goes wrong. And it takes one family to make that mistake for everyone else to learn from it .
Fact is the child was vulnerable! Unless they did it of course. She is missing, hence vulnerable. And I suggest if wad working class couple who did the same in Blackpool on holiday, the social services would have found them guilty
Was does their class have to do with it ?? That’s all part of the stupid conspiracy theories . She was a gp that hadn’t worked for two years and he was a cardiologist. Hardly upper class and barely middle class. There are thousands of kids with bad parents that haven’t had their kids taken off them from all walks of life.
Working class cardiologist? Wow "
They earn about £90k and with her not working that’s the same as most normal two parent working households. Still doesn’t answer why you think a cardiologist would be different from someone not a “working class” person |
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"No truth? I suggest there is....truth that left babies in a vulnerable situation which is a crime. Fact!
The law says you shouldn’t leave children alone if there’s a risk. They didn’t believe there was a risk. If they had been guilty of neglect they would have been arrested. Social workers visited them on their return to England and deemed them fit to keep their other children .
They thought they were safe as do a lot of families when on holiday . Just like parents who let their kids wonder the streets on every estate in England. They believe they are safe until that one in a million chance it goes wrong. And it takes one family to make that mistake for everyone else to learn from it .
Fact is the child was vulnerable! Unless they did it of course. She is missing, hence vulnerable. And I suggest if wad working class couple who did the same in Blackpool on holiday, the social services would have found them guilty
Was does their class have to do with it ?? That’s all part of the stupid conspiracy theories . She was a gp that hadn’t worked for two years and he was a cardiologist. Hardly upper class and barely middle class. There are thousands of kids with bad parents that haven’t had their kids taken off them from all walks of life.
Working class cardiologist? Wow
They earn about £90k and with her not working that’s the same as most normal two parent working households. Still doesn’t answer why you think a cardiologist would be different from someone not a “working class” person "
You think working class people get 90k per annum??? Where the hell you living??? |
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"No truth? I suggest there is....truth that left babies in a vulnerable situation which is a crime. Fact!
The law says you shouldn’t leave children alone if there’s a risk. They didn’t believe there was a risk. If they had been guilty of neglect they would have been arrested. Social workers visited them on their return to England and deemed them fit to keep their other children .
They thought they were safe as do a lot of families when on holiday . Just like parents who let their kids wonder the streets on every estate in England. They believe they are safe until that one in a million chance it goes wrong. And it takes one family to make that mistake for everyone else to learn from it .
Do you think it is safe to leave 3 children in an open apartment / house while you go socialising on holiday/ at home to the pub?
I’m not saying it’s right I’m saying they didn't believe it to be a risk. They were wrong to believe that. But it doesn’t make them murderers or bad people. And it doesn’t mean they should face 12 years of hatred . They have lost their daughter and they have to live with that
Ignorance is no excuse "
In your eyes how old is old enough to leave a child alone ?6, 8, 10, 12 , 16, 18 Because at all these ages kids have been taken whilst alone and murdered. No one ever expects it will be their child . |
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"No truth? I suggest there is....truth that left babies in a vulnerable situation which is a crime. Fact!
The law says you shouldn’t leave children alone if there’s a risk. They didn’t believe there was a risk. If they had been guilty of neglect they would have been arrested. Social workers visited them on their return to England and deemed them fit to keep their other children .
They thought they were safe as do a lot of families when on holiday . Just like parents who let their kids wonder the streets on every estate in England. They believe they are safe until that one in a million chance it goes wrong. And it takes one family to make that mistake for everyone else to learn from it .
Fact is the child was vulnerable! Unless they did it of course. She is missing, hence vulnerable. And I suggest if wad working class couple who did the same in Blackpool on holiday, the social services would have found them guilty
Was does their class have to do with it ?? That’s all part of the stupid conspiracy theories . She was a gp that hadn’t worked for two years and he was a cardiologist. Hardly upper class and barely middle class. There are thousands of kids with bad parents that haven’t had their kids taken off them from all walks of life.
Working class cardiologist? Wow
They earn about £90k and with her not working that’s the same as most normal two parent working households. Still doesn’t answer why you think a cardiologist would be different from someone not a “working class” person
You think working class people get 90k per annum??? Where the hell you living??? "
Doesn’t answer the question what makes them different ? |
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"No truth? I suggest there is....truth that left babies in a vulnerable situation which is a crime. Fact!
The law says you shouldn’t leave children alone if there’s a risk. They didn’t believe there was a risk. If they had been guilty of neglect they would have been arrested. Social workers visited them on their return to England and deemed them fit to keep their other children .
They thought they were safe as do a lot of families when on holiday . Just like parents who let their kids wonder the streets on every estate in England. They believe they are safe until that one in a million chance it goes wrong. And it takes one family to make that mistake for everyone else to learn from it .
Do you think it is safe to leave 3 children in an open apartment / house while you go socialising on holiday/ at home to the pub?
I’m not saying it’s right I’m saying they didn't believe it to be a risk. They were wrong to believe that. But it doesn’t make them murderers or bad people. And it doesn’t mean they should face 12 years of hatred . They have lost their daughter and they have to live with that "
Agreed, they were wrong to think there was no risk. It is also can't be compared to any other scenario other than leaving kids in bed to go socialising.
Sadly all actions have consequences, this one is horrific where ever the child is. As lots keep saying no one knows apart from some key people, be that the parents and friends or a killer or abductor...so no one can say for sure what happened, but people will have an opinion one way or another going by what they have read, it doesn't make them wrong or jealous of the fact the couple were Doctors and why they are not liked. It could be they just don't like the fact of how the child is missing, ie not being looked after at the time by the people who should have been protecting them.
I think the difference with the Ben and this one is obviously the media coverage/ social media etc but also because the grandparents of Ben didn't look after him as they should have done but they were in the same vicinity while doing that and not out socialising. |
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Sold off to a pedophile ring. Hence why the family has had nothing but riches and fame since the incident, typical “child sacrifice” almost as if powerful people made a deal. Not to mention 2 males where seen at the hotel, who reportedly had something to do with the disappearance that night. Feasible? |
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I don't think their earnings or status are relevant to their guilt or innocence. I don't care what your background is leaving your kids alone in a foreign country while you go out for dinner is astonishingly stupid, not to say negligent. Doesn't make them murderers though. |
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"No truth? I suggest there is....truth that left babies in a vulnerable situation which is a crime. Fact!
The law says you shouldn’t leave children alone if there’s a risk. They didn’t believe there was a risk. If they had been guilty of neglect they would have been arrested. Social workers visited them on their return to England and deemed them fit to keep their other children .
They thought they were safe as do a lot of families when on holiday . Just like parents who let their kids wonder the streets on every estate in England. They believe they are safe until that one in a million chance it goes wrong. And it takes one family to make that mistake for everyone else to learn from it .
Fact is the child was vulnerable! Unless they did it of course. She is missing, hence vulnerable. And I suggest if wad working class couple who did the same in Blackpool on holiday, the social services would have found them guilty
Was does their class have to do with it ?? That’s all part of the stupid conspiracy theories . She was a gp that hadn’t worked for two years and he was a cardiologist. Hardly upper class and barely middle class. There are thousands of kids with bad parents that haven’t had their kids taken off them from all walks of life.
Working class cardiologist? Wow
They earn about £90k and with her not working that’s the same as most normal two parent working households. Still doesn’t answer why you think a cardiologist would be different from someone not a “working class” person
You think working class people get 90k per annum??? Where the hell you living???
Doesn’t answer the question what makes them different ? "
difference is the we’re educated and intelligent enough to manipulate the situation. A couple of working class parents wouldn’t have been that award on how to turn their neglect into sympathy for an outrageous lack of care to vulnerable children. |
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"Sold off to a pedophile ring. Hence why the family has had nothing but riches and fame since the incident, typical “child sacrifice” almost as if powerful people made a deal. Not to mention 2 males where seen at the hotel, who reportedly had something to do with the disappearance that night. Feasible? "
do you really believe they spent years at fertility clinics to then sell her on ?? Do you think they would rather have fame than their child. It’s this sort on nonsense that leads to hatred |
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"No truth? I suggest there is....truth that left babies in a vulnerable situation which is a crime. Fact!
The law says you shouldn’t leave children alone if there’s a risk. They didn’t believe there was a risk. If they had been guilty of neglect they would have been arrested. Social workers visited them on their return to England and deemed them fit to keep their other children .
They thought they were safe as do a lot of families when on holiday . Just like parents who let their kids wonder the streets on every estate in England. They believe they are safe until that one in a million chance it goes wrong. And it takes one family to make that mistake for everyone else to learn from it .
Fact is the child was vulnerable! Unless they did it of course. She is missing, hence vulnerable. And I suggest if wad working class couple who did the same in Blackpool on holiday, the social services would have found them guilty
Was does their class have to do with it ?? That’s all part of the stupid conspiracy theories . She was a gp that hadn’t worked for two years and he was a cardiologist. Hardly upper class and barely middle class. There are thousands of kids with bad parents that haven’t had their kids taken off them from all walks of life.
Working class cardiologist? Wow
They earn about £90k and with her not working that’s the same as most normal two parent working households. Still doesn’t answer why you think a cardiologist would be different from someone not a “working class” person
You think working class people get 90k per annum??? Where the hell you living???
Doesn’t answer the question what makes them different ? "
difference is the we’re educated and intelligent enough to manipulate the situation. A couple of working class parents wouldn’t have been that award on how to turn their neglect into sympathy for an outrageous lack of care to vulnerable children. |
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Yes I do, average £7,000 in an ivf clinic, multi millions of pounds for book deals, there are still active searches, and like people say, emotionalises, people are more than capable of giving away theirs child, read through your local newspaper and see how many baby killers there are locals to you alone. |
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"No truth? I suggest there is....truth that left babies in a vulnerable situation which is a crime. Fact!
The law says you shouldn’t leave children alone if there’s a risk. They didn’t believe there was a risk. If they had been guilty of neglect they would have been arrested. Social workers visited them on their return to England and deemed them fit to keep their other children .
They thought they were safe as do a lot of families when on holiday . Just like parents who let their kids wonder the streets on every estate in England. They believe they are safe until that one in a million chance it goes wrong. And it takes one family to make that mistake for everyone else to learn from it .
Fact is the child was vulnerable! Unless they did it of course. She is missing, hence vulnerable. And I suggest if wad working class couple who did the same in Blackpool on holiday, the social services would have found them guilty
Was does their class have to do with it ?? That’s all part of the stupid conspiracy theories . She was a gp that hadn’t worked for two years and he was a cardiologist. Hardly upper class and barely middle class. There are thousands of kids with bad parents that haven’t had their kids taken off them from all walks of life.
Working class cardiologist? Wow
They earn about £90k and with her not working that’s the same as most normal two parent working households. Still doesn’t answer why you think a cardiologist would be different from someone not a “working class” person
You think working class people get 90k per annum??? Where the hell you living???
Doesn’t answer the question what makes them different ?
difference is the we’re educated and intelligent enough to manipulate the situation. A couple of working class parents wouldn’t have been that award on how to turn their neglect into sympathy for an outrageous lack of care to vulnerable children. "
So working class people aren’t smart ? But middle class people are ?
The reality is it makes no difference what background your from. Only reason why less well off people might have a higher risk of a prison sentence is if they have a prior history. It’s rare any kids are taken from their parents even in extreme circumstances . Hence the need for social workers. |
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"No truth? I suggest there is....truth that left babies in a vulnerable situation which is a crime. Fact!
The law says you shouldn’t leave children alone if there’s a risk. They didn’t believe there was a risk. If they had been guilty of neglect they would have been arrested. Social workers visited them on their return to England and deemed them fit to keep their other children .
They thought they were safe as do a lot of families when on holiday . Just like parents who let their kids wonder the streets on every estate in England. They believe they are safe until that one in a million chance it goes wrong. And it takes one family to make that mistake for everyone else to learn from it .
Fact is the child was vulnerable! Unless they did it of course. She is missing, hence vulnerable. And I suggest if wad working class couple who did the same in Blackpool on holiday, the social services would have found them guilty
Was does their class have to do with it ?? That’s all part of the stupid conspiracy theories . She was a gp that hadn’t worked for two years and he was a cardiologist. Hardly upper class and barely middle class. There are thousands of kids with bad parents that haven’t had their kids taken off them from all walks of life.
Working class cardiologist? Wow
They earn about £90k and with her not working that’s the same as most normal two parent working households. Still doesn’t answer why you think a cardiologist would be different from someone not a “working class” person
You think working class people get 90k per annum??? Where the hell you living???
Doesn’t answer the question what makes them different ?
difference is the we’re educated and intelligent enough to manipulate the situation. A couple of working class parents wouldn’t have been that award on how to turn their neglect into sympathy for an outrageous lack of care to vulnerable children.
So working class people aren’t smart ? But middle class people are ?
The reality is it makes no difference what background your from. Only reason why less well off people might have a higher risk of a prison sentence is if they have a prior history. It’s rare any kids are taken from their parents even in extreme circumstances . Hence the need for social workers. "
Education does not equal intelligence but it certainly helps to have the background to manipulate a situation and will (wrongly) he looked on differently than Wayne and Julie from toxteth who left their 3 kids alone and vulnerable. |
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"Sold off to a pedophile ring. Hence why the family has had nothing but riches and fame since the incident, typical “child sacrifice” almost as if powerful people made a deal. Not to mention 2 males where seen at the hotel, who reportedly had something to do with the disappearance that night. Feasible?
do you really believe they spent years at fertility clinics to then sell her on ?? Do you think they would rather have fame than their child. It’s this sort on nonsense that leads to hatred "
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"Sold off to a pedophile ring. Hence why the family has had nothing but riches and fame since the incident, typical “child sacrifice” almost as if powerful people made a deal. Not to mention 2 males where seen at the hotel, who reportedly had something to do with the disappearance that night. Feasible?
do you really believe they spent years at fertility clinics to then sell her on ?? Do you think they would rather have fame than their child. It’s this sort on nonsense that leads to hatred
What about Shannon Mathews? Her mother wanted money over her own child"
No she wanted but money but knew where her child was. |
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"Sold off to a pedophile ring. Hence why the family has had nothing but riches and fame since the incident, typical “child sacrifice” almost as if powerful people made a deal. Not to mention 2 males where seen at the hotel, who reportedly had something to do with the disappearance that night. Feasible?
do you really believe they spent years at fertility clinics to then sell her on ?? Do you think they would rather have fame than their child. It’s this sort on nonsense that leads to hatred
What about Shannon Mathews? Her mother wanted money over her own child
No she wanted but money but knew where her child was. "
And found guilty of neglect...???? Mmmmmmm |
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"Sold off to a pedophile ring. Hence why the family has had nothing but riches and fame since the incident, typical “child sacrifice” almost as if powerful people made a deal. Not to mention 2 males where seen at the hotel, who reportedly had something to do with the disappearance that night. Feasible?
do you really believe they spent years at fertility clinics to then sell her on ?? Do you think they would rather have fame than their child. It’s this sort on nonsense that leads to hatred
What about Shannon Mathews? Her mother wanted money over her own child
No she wanted but money but knew where her child was.
And found guilty of neglect...???? Mmmmmmm"
She was jailed for k*dnap, false imprisonment and perverting the course of justice not neglect. She did have all 7 kids taken off her though as she was deemed unfit and she was given a jail term . I’m sure the mcanns would gladly do a jail term if it meant they knew she was safe and alive |
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"Sold off to a pedophile ring. Hence why the family has had nothing but riches and fame since the incident, typical “child sacrifice” almost as if powerful people made a deal. Not to mention 2 males where seen at the hotel, who reportedly had something to do with the disappearance that night. Feasible?
do you really believe they spent years at fertility clinics to then sell her on ?? Do you think they would rather have fame than their child. It’s this sort on nonsense that leads to hatred
What about Shannon Mathews? Her mother wanted money over her own child
No she wanted but money but knew where her child was.
And found guilty of neglect...???? Mmmmmmm
She was jailed for k*dnap, false imprisonment and perverting the course of justice not neglect. She did have all 7 kids taken off her though as she was deemed unfit and she was given a jail term . I’m sure the mcanns would gladly do a jail term if it meant they knew she was safe and alive "
And yet she never left her 3 babies own their own to be stolen! McCanns should have been in prison. |
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"Sold off to a pedophile ring. Hence why the family has had nothing but riches and fame since the incident, typical “child sacrifice” almost as if powerful people made a deal. Not to mention 2 males where seen at the hotel, who reportedly had something to do with the disappearance that night. Feasible?
do you really believe they spent years at fertility clinics to then sell her on ?? Do you think they would rather have fame than their child. It’s this sort on nonsense that leads to hatred
What about Shannon Mathews? Her mother wanted money over her own child
No she wanted but money but knew where her child was.
And found guilty of neglect...???? Mmmmmmm
She was jailed for k*dnap, false imprisonment and perverting the course of justice not neglect. She did have all 7 kids taken off her though as she was deemed unfit and she was given a jail term . I’m sure the mcanns would gladly do a jail term if it meant they knew she was safe and alive
And yet she never left her 3 babies own their own to be stolen! McCanns should have been in prison. "
Mother charged with neglect too. According to Wikipedia!!! |
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"Sold off to a pedophile ring. Hence why the family has had nothing but riches and fame since the incident, typical “child sacrifice” almost as if powerful people made a deal. Not to mention 2 males where seen at the hotel, who reportedly had something to do with the disappearance that night. Feasible?
do you really believe they spent years at fertility clinics to then sell her on ?? Do you think they would rather have fame than their child. It’s this sort on nonsense that leads to hatred
What about Shannon Mathews? Her mother wanted money over her own child
No she wanted but money but knew where her child was.
And found guilty of neglect...???? Mmmmmmm
She was jailed for k*dnap, false imprisonment and perverting the course of justice not neglect. She did have all 7 kids taken off her though as she was deemed unfit and she was given a jail term . I’m sure the mcanns would gladly do a jail term if it meant they knew she was safe and alive
And yet she never left her 3 babies own their own to be stolen! McCanns should have been in prison. "
Ok maybe so. But the police and social service have decided not to go along that route. They haven’t been charged with any crimes because the police don’t believe they have committed one. |
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"Sold off to a pedophile ring. Hence why the family has had nothing but riches and fame since the incident, typical “child sacrifice” almost as if powerful people made a deal. Not to mention 2 males where seen at the hotel, who reportedly had something to do with the disappearance that night. Feasible?
do you really believe they spent years at fertility clinics to then sell her on ?? Do you think they would rather have fame than their child. It’s this sort on nonsense that leads to hatred
What about Shannon Mathews? Her mother wanted money over her own child
No she wanted but money but knew where her child was.
And found guilty of neglect...???? Mmmmmmm
She was jailed for k*dnap, false imprisonment and perverting the course of justice not neglect. She did have all 7 kids taken off her though as she was deemed unfit and she was given a jail term . I’m sure the mcanns would gladly do a jail term if it meant they knew she was safe and alive
And yet she never left her 3 babies own their own to be stolen! McCanns should have been in prison.
Mother charged with neglect too. According to Wikipedia!!! "
charged but dropped from the sentence. That’s a totally different case anyway. She set the whole thing up with intent. Where as the McCans were just foolish |
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"Sold off to a pedophile ring. Hence why the family has had nothing but riches and fame since the incident, typical “child sacrifice” almost as if powerful people made a deal. Not to mention 2 males where seen at the hotel, who reportedly had something to do with the disappearance that night. Feasible?
do you really believe they spent years at fertility clinics to then sell her on ?? Do you think they would rather have fame than their child. It’s this sort on nonsense that leads to hatred
What about Shannon Mathews? Her mother wanted money over her own child
No she wanted but money but knew where her child was.
And found guilty of neglect...???? Mmmmmmm
She was jailed for k*dnap, false imprisonment and perverting the course of justice not neglect. She did have all 7 kids taken off her though as she was deemed unfit and she was given a jail term . I’m sure the mcanns would gladly do a jail term if it meant they knew she was safe and alive
And yet she never left her 3 babies own their own to be stolen! McCanns should have been in prison.
Mother charged with neglect too. According to Wikipedia!!! charged but dropped from the sentence. That’s a totally different case anyway. She set the whole thing up with intent. Where as the McCans were just foolish "
Foolish ? Negligent as proven by losing a child. Mathews women was a little disturbed too. McCanns made a conscious decision to leave their babies alone. Most don’t even leave babies upstairs without a monitor. |
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"Sold off to a pedophile ring. Hence why the family has had nothing but riches and fame since the incident, typical “child sacrifice” almost as if powerful people made a deal. Not to mention 2 males where seen at the hotel, who reportedly had something to do with the disappearance that night. Feasible?
do you really believe they spent years at fertility clinics to then sell her on ?? Do you think they would rather have fame than their child. It’s this sort on nonsense that leads to hatred
What about Shannon Mathews? Her mother wanted money over her own child
No she wanted but money but knew where her child was.
And found guilty of neglect...???? Mmmmmmm
She was jailed for k*dnap, false imprisonment and perverting the course of justice not neglect. She did have all 7 kids taken off her though as she was deemed unfit and she was given a jail term . I’m sure the mcanns would gladly do a jail term if it meant they knew she was safe and alive
And yet she never left her 3 babies own their own to be stolen! McCanns should have been in prison.
Ok maybe so. But the police and social service have decided not to go along that route. They haven’t been charged with any crimes because the police don’t believe they have committed one. "
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"Sold off to a pedophile ring. Hence why the family has had nothing but riches and fame since the incident, typical “child sacrifice” almost as if powerful people made a deal. Not to mention 2 males where seen at the hotel, who reportedly had something to do with the disappearance that night. Feasible?
do you really believe they spent years at fertility clinics to then sell her on ?? Do you think they would rather have fame than their child. It’s this sort on nonsense that leads to hatred
What about Shannon Mathews? Her mother wanted money over her own child
No she wanted but money but knew where her child was.
And found guilty of neglect...???? Mmmmmmm
She was jailed for k*dnap, false imprisonment and perverting the course of justice not neglect. She did have all 7 kids taken off her though as she was deemed unfit and she was given a jail term . I’m sure the mcanns would gladly do a jail term if it meant they knew she was safe and alive
And yet she never left her 3 babies own their own to be stolen! McCanns should have been in prison.
Ok maybe so. But the police and social service have decided not to go along that route. They haven’t been charged with any crimes because the police don’t believe they have committed one.
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And yet we ll know they neglected their kids. Fact. Wonder why they weren’t treated like the criminals they are? |
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"Sold off to a pedophile ring. Hence why the family has had nothing but riches and fame since the incident, typical “child sacrifice” almost as if powerful people made a deal. Not to mention 2 males where seen at the hotel, who reportedly had something to do with the disappearance that night. Feasible?
do you really believe they spent years at fertility clinics to then sell her on ?? Do you think they would rather have fame than their child. It’s this sort on nonsense that leads to hatred
What about Shannon Mathews? Her mother wanted money over her own child
No she wanted but money but knew where her child was.
And found guilty of neglect...???? Mmmmmmm
She was jailed for k*dnap, false imprisonment and perverting the course of justice not neglect. She did have all 7 kids taken off her though as she was deemed unfit and she was given a jail term . I’m sure the mcanns would gladly do a jail term if it meant they knew she was safe and alive
And yet she never left her 3 babies own their own to be stolen! McCanns should have been in prison.
Ok maybe so. But the police and social service have decided not to go along that route. They haven’t been charged with any crimes because the police don’t believe they have committed one.
And yet we ll know they neglected their kids. Fact. Wonder why they weren’t treated like the criminals they are? "
They didn’t believe they were being neglectful and neither did the police. Like I’ve said numerous times above it was the common thing to do . Could have been anyone of numerous kids from all kinds of backgrounds that were left that night. |
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"Sold off to a pedophile ring. Hence why the family has had nothing but riches and fame since the incident, typical “child sacrifice” almost as if powerful people made a deal. Not to mention 2 males where seen at the hotel, who reportedly had something to do with the disappearance that night. Feasible?
do you really believe they spent years at fertility clinics to then sell her on ?? Do you think they would rather have fame than their child. It’s this sort on nonsense that leads to hatred
What about Shannon Mathews? Her mother wanted money over her own child
No she wanted but money but knew where her child was.
And found guilty of neglect...???? Mmmmmmm
She was jailed for k*dnap, false imprisonment and perverting the course of justice not neglect. She did have all 7 kids taken off her though as she was deemed unfit and she was given a jail term . I’m sure the mcanns would gladly do a jail term if it meant they knew she was safe and alive
And yet she never left her 3 babies own their own to be stolen! McCanns should have been in prison.
Ok maybe so. But the police and social service have decided not to go along that route. They haven’t been charged with any crimes because the police don’t believe they have committed one.
And yet we ll know they neglected their kids. Fact. Wonder why they weren’t treated like the criminals they are?
They didn’t believe they were being neglectful and neither did the police. Like I’ve said numerous times above it was the common thing to do . Could have been anyone of numerous kids from all kinds of backgrounds that were left that night. "
Police did believe they were negligent but decided to sympathise. Let off is not saying they weren’t guilty.
We all know they were. And please show me another case where child has been left alone, (3 babies under 4) been taken and parents didn’t get prosecuted... |
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Too tight to pay for baby sitting service. Totally unacceptable to leave 3 babies alone.
Conscious decision taken to risk their safety and welfare.
Guilty of neglect. Shameful |
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"Sold off to a pedophile ring. Hence why the family has had nothing but riches and fame since the incident, typical “child sacrifice” almost as if powerful people made a deal. Not to mention 2 males where seen at the hotel, who reportedly had something to do with the disappearance that night. Feasible?
do you really believe they spent years at fertility clinics to then sell her on ?? Do you think they would rather have fame than their child. It’s this sort on nonsense that leads to hatred
What about Shannon Mathews? Her mother wanted money over her own child
No she wanted but money but knew where her child was.
And found guilty of neglect...???? Mmmmmmm
She was jailed for k*dnap, false imprisonment and perverting the course of justice not neglect. She did have all 7 kids taken off her though as she was deemed unfit and she was given a jail term . I’m sure the mcanns would gladly do a jail term if it meant they knew she was safe and alive
And yet she never left her 3 babies own their own to be stolen! McCanns should have been in prison.
Ok maybe so. But the police and social service have decided not to go along that route. They haven’t been charged with any crimes because the police don’t believe they have committed one.
And yet we ll know they neglected their kids. Fact. Wonder why they weren’t treated like the criminals they are?
They didn’t believe they were being neglectful and neither did the police. Like I’ve said numerous times above it was the common thing to do . Could have been anyone of numerous kids from all kinds of backgrounds that were left that night.
Police did believe they were negligent but decided to sympathise. Let off is not saying they weren’t guilty.
We all know they were. And please show me another case where child has been left alone, (3 babies under 4) been taken and parents didn’t get prosecuted..."
I can’t find any cases where anyone has been prosecuted for leaving their kids in a hotel room while they ate. |
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"Too tight to pay for baby sitting service. Totally unacceptable to leave 3 babies alone.
Conscious decision taken to risk their safety and welfare.
Guilty of neglect. Shameful "
Before this instance it was common practice to leave the kids in an apartment / caravan or whatever on holidays. I am sure it still happens now.
Fact is unless she or her body is found we will never know any more than we did when it was first reported. Ideas and conclusions put forward have no evidence to back them up. |
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"Too tight to pay for baby sitting service. Totally unacceptable to leave 3 babies alone.
Conscious decision taken to risk their safety and welfare.
Guilty of neglect. Shameful
Before this instance it was common practice to leave the kids in an apartment / caravan or whatever on holidays. I am sure it still happens now.
Fact is unless she or her body is found we will never know any more than we did when it was first reported. Ideas and conclusions put forward have no evidence to back them up. "
But we do know they left 3 babies in a dangerous situation. I’m 55 and I never ever left my children alone in uk, never mind in a foreign country. So I would argue it’s not common practice |
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"Sold off to a pedophile ring. Hence why the family has had nothing but riches and fame since the incident, typical “child sacrifice” almost as if powerful people made a deal. Not to mention 2 males where seen at the hotel, who reportedly had something to do with the disappearance that night. Feasible?
do you really believe they spent years at fertility clinics to then sell her on ?? Do you think they would rather have fame than their child. It’s this sort on nonsense that leads to hatred
What about Shannon Mathews? Her mother wanted money over her own child
No she wanted but money but knew where her child was.
And found guilty of neglect...???? Mmmmmmm
She was jailed for k*dnap, false imprisonment and perverting the course of justice not neglect. She did have all 7 kids taken off her though as she was deemed unfit and she was given a jail term . I’m sure the mcanns would gladly do a jail term if it meant they knew she was safe and alive
And yet she never left her 3 babies own their own to be stolen! McCanns should have been in prison.
Ok maybe so. But the police and social service have decided not to go along that route. They haven’t been charged with any crimes because the police don’t believe they have committed one.
And yet we ll know they neglected their kids. Fact. Wonder why they weren’t treated like the criminals they are?
They didn’t believe they were being neglectful and neither did the police. Like I’ve said numerous times above it was the common thing to do . Could have been anyone of numerous kids from all kinds of backgrounds that were left that night.
Police did believe they were negligent but decided to sympathise. Let off is not saying they weren’t guilty.
We all know they were. And please show me another case where child has been left alone, (3 babies under 4) been taken and parents didn’t get prosecuted...
I can’t find any cases where anyone has been prosecuted for leaving their kids in a hotel room while they ate. "
Probably as very few people would do it and very few have had their children go missing. Can’t prosecute unless they get found being negligent like they were |
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"Sold off to a pedophile ring. Hence why the family has had nothing but riches and fame since the incident, typical “child sacrifice” almost as if powerful people made a deal. Not to mention 2 males where seen at the hotel, who reportedly had something to do with the disappearance that night. Feasible?
do you really believe they spent years at fertility clinics to then sell her on ?? Do you think they would rather have fame than their child. It’s this sort on nonsense that leads to hatred
What about Shannon Mathews? Her mother wanted money over her own child
No she wanted but money but knew where her child was.
And found guilty of neglect...???? Mmmmmmm
She was jailed for k*dnap, false imprisonment and perverting the course of justice not neglect. She did have all 7 kids taken off her though as she was deemed unfit and she was given a jail term . I’m sure the mcanns would gladly do a jail term if it meant they knew she was safe and alive
And yet she never left her 3 babies own their own to be stolen! McCanns should have been in prison.
Ok maybe so. But the police and social service have decided not to go along that route. They haven’t been charged with any crimes because the police don’t believe they have committed one.
And yet we ll know they neglected their kids. Fact. Wonder why they weren’t treated like the criminals they are?
They didn’t believe they were being neglectful and neither did the police. Like I’ve said numerous times above it was the common thing to do . Could have been anyone of numerous kids from all kinds of backgrounds that were left that night.
Police did believe they were negligent but decided to sympathise. Let off is not saying they weren’t guilty.
We all know they were. And please show me another case where child has been left alone, (3 babies under 4) been taken and parents didn’t get prosecuted...
I can’t find any cases where anyone has been prosecuted for leaving their kids in a hotel room while they ate.
Probably as very few people would do it and very few have had their children go missing. Can’t prosecute unless they get found being negligent like they were "
I’m sorry your mistaken . Lots did it and still do. You can even search for hotels that listen in on your room to see if babies are crying while your enjoying your food and drinks elsewhere. Google baby listening services. |
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"Sold off to a pedophile ring. Hence why the family has had nothing but riches and fame since the incident, typical “child sacrifice” almost as if powerful people made a deal. Not to mention 2 males where seen at the hotel, who reportedly had something to do with the disappearance that night. Feasible?
do you really believe they spent years at fertility clinics to then sell her on ?? Do you think they would rather have fame than their child. It’s this sort on nonsense that leads to hatred
What about Shannon Mathews? Her mother wanted money over her own child
No she wanted but money but knew where her child was.
And found guilty of neglect...???? Mmmmmmm
She was jailed for k*dnap, false imprisonment and perverting the course of justice not neglect. She did have all 7 kids taken off her though as she was deemed unfit and she was given a jail term . I’m sure the mcanns would gladly do a jail term if it meant they knew she was safe and alive
And yet she never left her 3 babies own their own to be stolen! McCanns should have been in prison.
Ok maybe so. But the police and social service have decided not to go along that route. They haven’t been charged with any crimes because the police don’t believe they have committed one.
And yet we ll know they neglected their kids. Fact. Wonder why they weren’t treated like the criminals they are?
They didn’t believe they were being neglectful and neither did the police. Like I’ve said numerous times above it was the common thing to do . Could have been anyone of numerous kids from all kinds of backgrounds that were left that night.
Police did believe they were negligent but decided to sympathise. Let off is not saying they weren’t guilty.
We all know they were. And please show me another case where child has been left alone, (3 babies under 4) been taken and parents didn’t get prosecuted...
I can’t find any cases where anyone has been prosecuted for leaving their kids in a hotel room while they ate.
Probably as very few people would do it and very few have had their children go missing. Can’t prosecute unless they get found being negligent like they were
I’m sorry your mistaken . Lots did it and still do. You can even search for hotels that listen in on your room to see if babies are crying while your enjoying your food and drinks elsewhere. Google baby listening services. "
I don’t know of anybody who does this or have done it. Suggest the hotel would not be accessible and need key and has at least a precaution of listening in. Totally different to leaving babies where nobody at all is listening or watching. I know people have been prosecuted for leaving children in vulnerable situations, however. |
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"Sold off to a pedophile ring. Hence why the family has had nothing but riches and fame since the incident, typical “child sacrifice” almost as if powerful people made a deal. Not to mention 2 males where seen at the hotel, who reportedly had something to do with the disappearance that night. Feasible?
do you really believe they spent years at fertility clinics to then sell her on ?? Do you think they would rather have fame than their child. It’s this sort on nonsense that leads to hatred
What about Shannon Mathews? Her mother wanted money over her own child
No she wanted but money but knew where her child was.
And found guilty of neglect...???? Mmmmmmm
She was jailed for k*dnap, false imprisonment and perverting the course of justice not neglect. She did have all 7 kids taken off her though as she was deemed unfit and she was given a jail term . I’m sure the mcanns would gladly do a jail term if it meant they knew she was safe and alive
And yet she never left her 3 babies own their own to be stolen! McCanns should have been in prison.
Ok maybe so. But the police and social service have decided not to go along that route. They haven’t been charged with any crimes because the police don’t believe they have committed one.
And yet we ll know they neglected their kids. Fact. Wonder why they weren’t treated like the criminals they are?
They didn’t believe they were being neglectful and neither did the police. Like I’ve said numerous times above it was the common thing to do . Could have been anyone of numerous kids from all kinds of backgrounds that were left that night.
Police did believe they were negligent but decided to sympathise. Let off is not saying they weren’t guilty.
We all know they were. And please show me another case where child has been left alone, (3 babies under 4) been taken and parents didn’t get prosecuted...
I can’t find any cases where anyone has been prosecuted for leaving their kids in a hotel room while they ate.
Probably as very few people would do it and very few have had their children go missing. Can’t prosecute unless they get found being negligent like they were
I’m sorry your mistaken . Lots did it and still do. You can even search for hotels that listen in on your room to see if babies are crying while your enjoying your food and drinks elsewhere. Google baby listening services.
I don’t know of anybody who does this or have done it. Suggest the hotel would not be accessible and need key and has at least a precaution of listening in. Totally different to leaving babies where nobody at all is listening or watching. I know people have been prosecuted for leaving children in vulnerable situations, however. "
There are clearly safeguarding issues and it would have been looked into but clearly it was decided not to do anything.
There was a private prosecution brought against them but nothing came of that either. |
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