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"I hear that there is a plan to extend the blue badge to those with 'hidden' disabilities, such as autism. Since when does a mental disability impact on a person's ability to walk? They're just going to take parking spaces away from those who really need them or are we going to see more blue badge spaces being introduced impacting the rest of us? Surely if someone has a mental condition they shouldn't be driving in the first place, there's enough nutters on the roads already." Your lovely you | |||
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"I hear that there is a plan to extend the blue badge to those with 'hidden' disabilities, such as autism. Since when does a mental disability impact on a person's ability to walk? They're just going to take parking spaces away from those who really need them or are we going to see more blue badge spaces being introduced impacting the rest of us? Surely if someone has a mental condition they shouldn't be driving in the first place, there's enough nutters on the roads already." So, my brother who has autism shouldn’t be allowed to drive? Why is this? He’s probably safer off driving - his coordination skills when walking are hopeless, he cannot walk in a straight line. Yet can drive perfectly fine. You could argue that if you’re in a wheelchair, you shouldn’t drive - but this is absurd. However - my mother in law is extremely overweight. That is all. No disability, just fat. And she has a blue badge. She was trying to get one for years, and despite not speaking to them for over a year, I keep seeing their family car parked in a disabled space, with the blue badge holder. She got her wish. Ridiculous. | |||
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"I hear that there is a plan to extend the blue badge to those with 'hidden' disabilities, such as autism. Since when does a mental disability impact on a person's ability to walk? They're just going to take parking spaces away from those who really need them or are we going to see more blue badge spaces being introduced impacting the rest of us? Surely if someone has a mental condition they shouldn't be driving in the first place, there's enough nutters on the roads already." Nutters? Really? | |||
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"I hear that there is a plan to extend the blue badge to those with 'hidden' disabilities, such as autism. Since when does a mental disability impact on a person's ability to walk? They're just going to take parking spaces away from those who really need them or are we going to see more blue badge spaces being introduced impacting the rest of us? Surely if someone has a mental condition they shouldn't be driving in the first place, there's enough nutters on the roads already." Certainly hope you are just playing devil's advocate here. If not is does show a great deal of ignorance about the condition and needs of those with mental health issues. | |||
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"Nutters isn't a very nice term to use to describe people with a mental disability. And if they've passed a driving test why shouldn't they drive? Also bear in mind blue badges can be issued to non drivers so their family can take them places, so not all of the "nutters" will be driving themselves. " I was just away to say that | |||
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"I hear that there is a plan to extend the blue badge to those with 'hidden' disabilities, such as autism. Since when does a mental disability impact on a person's ability to walk? They're just going to take parking spaces away from those who really need them or are we going to see more blue badge spaces being introduced impacting the rest of us? Surely if someone has a mental condition they shouldn't be driving in the first place, there's enough nutters on the roads already." They are not necessarily driving . They can use it in any car they are being transported in, so don't worry.... | |||
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"I hear that there is a plan to extend the blue badge to those with 'hidden' disabilities, such as autism. Since when does a mental disability impact on a person's ability to walk? They're just going to take parking spaces away from those who really need them or are we going to see more blue badge spaces being introduced impacting the rest of us? Surely if someone has a mental condition they shouldn't be driving in the first place, there's enough nutters on the roads already." I used to like you | |||
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"Reported!!!! " Reported for saying 'nutters' ? | |||
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"Reported!!!! " Oh behave. Deary me. | |||
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"I hear that there is a plan to extend the blue badge to those with 'hidden' disabilities, such as autism. Since when does a mental disability impact on a person's ability to walk? They're just going to take parking spaces away from those who really need them or are we going to see more blue badge spaces being introduced impacting the rest of us? Surely if someone has a mental condition they shouldn't be driving in the first place, there's enough nutters on the roads already. Certainly hope you are just playing devil's advocate here. If not is does show a great deal of ignorance about the condition and needs of those with mental health issues." Very much devil's advocate. I am concerned that such a move to widen blue badge ownership will impact those that need it the most, ie those that struggle to walk any distance. | |||
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"Ok , my son has one he’s classed as having a mental disability. He’s not safe to be left alone, his behaviour can be erratic and would wander or run off if not physically restrained. You try doing that to a fully grown adult and dealing with shopping etc. It’s a safety issue, and you will find that they are already issued to many autistic people. X " That makes sense. I did wonder why someone with autism (etc) would get one but you've explained it. | |||
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"Reported!!!! " Bit OTT don't you think! The subject might be controversial and the op may have used a word that people will undoubtedly find offensive but the forum is all about debate and he has started one about a subject that some of us might learn something from and become more aware about! | |||
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"I hear that there is a plan to extend the blue badge to those with 'hidden' disabilities, such as autism. Since when does a mental disability impact on a person's ability to walk? They're just going to take parking spaces away from those who really need them or are we going to see more blue badge spaces being introduced impacting the rest of us? Surely if someone has a mental condition they shouldn't be driving in the first place, there's enough nutters on the roads already." Your ignorance is quite astonishing. | |||
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"No space left in carparks soon. The blue badge is widely missus now, add another 4 million people... Just need a better way to ensure it is only used when the real person is actually using it, not other family members just for their convince." I think this is what the OP refers to. If 90% of people have blue badges it will make them useless. There will be no spaces left. I also think a portable version would be a good idea. Some people outwardly look ok but struggle to stand for long periods. Having a portable badge - like on their jacket - might mean people would be more likely to give up their seat on a bus or train. Same as they might for a heavily pregnant woman or someone on crutches, that they can see needs a seat. | |||
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"I hear that there is a plan to extend the blue badge to those with 'hidden' disabilities, such as autism. Since when does a mental disability impact on a person's ability to walk? They're just going to take parking spaces away from those who really need them or are we going to see more blue badge spaces being introduced impacting the rest of us? Surely if someone has a mental condition they shouldn't be driving in the first place, there's enough nutters on the roads already. Certainly hope you are just playing devil's advocate here. If not is does show a great deal of ignorance about the condition and needs of those with mental health issues. Very much devil's advocate. I am concerned that such a move to widen blue badge ownership will impact those that need it the most, ie those that struggle to walk any distance." I see where you are coming from,however being able to walk a distance or not walk a distance is not governed by the quality of a persons legs alone. | |||
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"I hear that there is a plan to extend the blue badge to those with 'hidden' disabilities, such as autism. Since when does a mental disability impact on a person's ability to walk? They're just going to take parking spaces away from those who really need them or are we going to see more blue badge spaces being introduced impacting the rest of us? Surely if someone has a mental condition they shouldn't be driving in the first place, there's enough nutters on the roads already." The most vulgar thing I've read on here for a while. | |||
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"Reported!!!! Bit OTT don't you think! The subject might be controversial and the op may have used a word that people will undoubtedly find offensive but the forum is all about debate and he has started one about a subject that some of us might learn something from and become more aware about!" "Nutters" was aimed at the able bodied already driving on the roads was it not? Don't think OP was branding disabled people as nutters. Not intentionally anyway. | |||
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"I hear that there is a plan to extend the blue badge to those with 'hidden' disabilities, such as autism. Since when does a mental disability impact on a person's ability to walk? They're just going to take parking spaces away from those who really need them or are we going to see more blue badge spaces being introduced impacting the rest of us? Surely if someone has a mental condition they shouldn't be driving in the first place, there's enough nutters on the roads already. Your ignorance is quite astonishing. " Having read the responses to my op i have to agree. | |||
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"I hear that there is a plan to extend the blue badge to those with 'hidden' disabilities, such as autism. Since when does a mental disability impact on a person's ability to walk? They're just going to take parking spaces away from those who really need them or are we going to see more blue badge spaces being introduced impacting the rest of us? Surely if someone has a mental condition they shouldn't be driving in the first place, there's enough nutters on the roads already." I had loads to say. Then decided I've only just got back on the forums so I won't. But really. Do you not understand mental health and the hidden disabilities at all | |||
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"No space left in carparks soon. The blue badge is widely missus now, add another 4 million people... Just need a better way to ensure it is only used when the real person is actually using it, not other family members just for their convince. I think this is what the OP refers to. If 90% of people have blue badges it will make them useless. There will be no spaces left. I also think a portable version would be a good idea. Some people outwardly look ok but struggle to stand for long periods. Having a portable badge - like on their jacket - might mean people would be more likely to give up their seat on a bus or train. Same as they might for a heavily pregnant woman or someone on crutches, that they can see needs a seat. " london underground have a badge you can get that lets people aware of that. I have one for my daughter as not every one can tell she is disabled but can not balance well. | |||
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"OP imagine for a moment if you can. You're in a busy supermarket. Your senses in overload from the noises of people chatting, announcement, bleeping tills, children, trolleys, phones, the hum of the freezers, coffee machines, music, the collection tins. So many sounds it's painful. Then there's visual overload the lights so bright they are hurting your eyes and making you feel dizzy. The smells, cleaning products, fish counter, hot food, bakery, people. The place is busy and you feel anxious, you're finding it hard to breathe and to navigate around people and trolleys and stock. The coolness of the fridges section hits you and it feels like you're now also being stabbed. Imagine all those things at the same time and you panic. You're also trying to remember what you need to buy. You may also be worrying that it's obvious to people your having a panic attack. You're head is aching, you're finding it hard to breathe. Every hair on your body is standing on end and it feels like a thousand electric shocks going through your body. Can you imagine feeling like that? Now tell me why if someone is forced to go through all of that should they not be offered the opportunity to at least retreat to their car a little sooner to be able to try and catch their breath? " Yes, i understand. I regret the terminology used in the last paragraph of my op. It was crass and ignorant and i apologise whole heartedly. | |||
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" Yes, i understand. I regret the terminology used in the last paragraph of my op. It was crass and ignorant and i apologise whole heartedly. " | |||
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"OP imagine for a moment if you can. You're in a busy supermarket. Your senses in overload from the noises of people chatting, announcement, bleeping tills, children, trolleys, phones, the hum of the freezers, coffee machines, music, the collection tins. So many sounds it's painful. Then there's visual overload the lights so bright they are hurting your eyes and making you feel dizzy. The smells, cleaning products, fish counter, hot food, bakery, people. The place is busy and you feel anxious, you're finding it hard to breathe and to navigate around people and trolleys and stock. The coolness of the fridges section hits you and it feels like you're now also being stabbed. Imagine all those things at the same time and you panic. You're also trying to remember what you need to buy. You may also be worrying that it's obvious to people your having a panic attack. You're head is aching, you're finding it hard to breathe. Every hair on your body is standing on end and it feels like a thousand electric shocks going through your body. Can you imagine feeling like that? Now tell me why if someone is forced to go through all of that should they not be offered the opportunity to at least retreat to their car a little sooner to be able to try and catch their breath? Yes, i understand. I regret the terminology used in the last paragraph of my op. It was crass and ignorant and i apologise whole heartedly. " | |||
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"OP imagine for a moment if you can. You're in a busy supermarket. Your senses in overload from the noises of people chatting, announcement, bleeping tills, children, trolleys, phones, the hum of the freezers, coffee machines, music, the collection tins. So many sounds it's painful. Then there's visual overload the lights so bright they are hurting your eyes and making you feel dizzy. The smells, cleaning products, fish counter, hot food, bakery, people. The place is busy and you feel anxious, you're finding it hard to breathe and to navigate around people and trolleys and stock. The coolness of the fridges section hits you and it feels like you're now also being stabbed. Imagine all those things at the same time and you panic. You're also trying to remember what you need to buy. You may also be worrying that it's obvious to people your having a panic attack. You're head is aching, you're finding it hard to breathe. Every hair on your body is standing on end and it feels like a thousand electric shocks going through your body. Can you imagine feeling like that? Now tell me why if someone is forced to go through all of that should they not be offered the opportunity to at least retreat to their car a little sooner to be able to try and catch their breath? Yes, i understand. I regret the terminology used in the last paragraph of my op. It was crass and ignorant and i apologise whole heartedly. " And "hidden" implies you don't believe they exist | |||
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"I hear that there is a plan to extend the blue badge to those with 'hidden' disabilities, such as autism. Since when does a mental disability impact on a person's ability to walk? They're just going to take parking spaces away from those who really need them or are we going to see more blue badge spaces being introduced impacting the rest of us? Surely if someone has a mental condition they shouldn't be driving in the first place, there's enough nutters on the roads already. They are not necessarily driving . They can use it in any car they are being transported in, so don't worry...." This is where I start to have problems with those spaces because surely they are rightly there for people with mobility issues so as to be closer to facilities? | |||
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"No space left in carparks soon. The blue badge is widely missus now, add another 4 million people... Just need a better way to ensure it is only used when the real person is actually using it, not other family members just for their convince. I think this is what the OP refers to. If 90% of people have blue badges it will make them useless. There will be no spaces left. I also think a portable version would be a good idea. Some people outwardly look ok but struggle to stand for long periods. Having a portable badge - like on their jacket - might mean people would be more likely to give up their seat on a bus or train. Same as they might for a heavily pregnant woman or someone on crutches, that they can see needs a seat. london underground have a badge you can get that lets people aware of that. I have one for my daughter as not every one can tell she is disabled but can not balance well. " That's good they have one. There was a thread on here a few weeks ago and a lady said she often feels like she needs to sit down but daren't ask. She asked people to look up and notice if people looked like they needed a seat. So I did try and be more aware when I was on the tube. I know people are pissed off at the OP but he's raised a good topic. It does help to raise awareness or make us think differently. I think that's a good thing. Also if he'd worded his OP differently people might have passed it by and not posted. Or not given examples of their experiences. x | |||
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"OP imagine for a moment if you can. You're in a busy supermarket. Your senses in overload from the noises of people chatting, announcement, bleeping tills, children, trolleys, phones, the hum of the freezers, coffee machines, music, the collection tins. So many sounds it's painful. Then there's visual overload the lights so bright they are hurting your eyes and making you feel dizzy. The smells, cleaning products, fish counter, hot food, bakery, people. The place is busy and you feel anxious, you're finding it hard to breathe and to navigate around people and trolleys and stock. The coolness of the fridges section hits you and it feels like you're now also being stabbed. Imagine all those things at the same time and you panic. You're also trying to remember what you need to buy. You may also be worrying that it's obvious to people your having a panic attack. You're head is aching, you're finding it hard to breathe. Every hair on your body is standing on end and it feels like a thousand electric shocks going through your body. Can you imagine feeling like that? Now tell me why if someone is forced to go through all of that should they not be offered the opportunity to at least retreat to their car a little sooner to be able to try and catch their breath? " You know you can get shopping delivered now ? You mention “forced to go through all that” The “benefit” of getting to the car quicker is just a nonsense really . Sorry | |||
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"9ne more thing... you should be apologising for the whole post! How dare you say what you said! Who gives you the right to tell disabled people who can and who cannot have a blue badge? You need to go and educate yourself on all disability!! It's not just about someone with a visual disability it's sooo much more than that. Honestly you have me seething right now! You should think and educate yourself first ok on the things that you know absolutely nothing about before you spout off!! .... " | |||
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"9ne more thing... you should be apologising for the whole post! How dare you say what you said! Who gives you the right to tell disabled people who can and who cannot have a blue badge? You need to go and educate yourself on all disability!! It's not just about someone with a visual disability it's sooo much imore than that. Honestly you have me seething right now! You should think and educate yourself first ok on the things that you know absolutely nothing about before you spout off!! .... " its disgusting | |||
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"I hear that there is a plan to extend the blue badge to those with 'hidden' disabilities, such as autism. Since when does a mental disability impact on a person's ability to walk? They're just going to take parking spaces away from those who really need them or are we going to see more blue badge spaces being introduced impacting the rest of us? Surely if someone has a mental condition they shouldn't be driving in the first place, there's enough nutters on the roads already. They are not necessarily driving . They can use it in any car they are being transported in, so don't worry.... This is where I start to have problems with those spaces because surely they are rightly there for people with mobility issues so as to be closer to facilities?" Sorry, what I was saying that, it's the disabled person that has the blue badge, to use in a car they are driving or are being driven in, so they are closer to facilities. It is a very difficult process to get a blue badge, as it should be, so hopefully it goes to those that genuinely need it | |||
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"OP imagine for a moment if you can. You're in a busy supermarket. Your senses in overload from the noises of people chatting, announcement, bleeping tills, children, trolleys, phones, the hum of the freezers, coffee machines, music, the collection tins. So many sounds it's painful. Then there's visual overload the lights so bright they are hurting your eyes and making you feel dizzy. The smells, cleaning products, fish counter, hot food, bakery, people. The place is busy and you feel anxious, you're finding it hard to breathe and to navigate around people and trolleys and stock. The coolness of the fridges section hits you and it feels like you're now also being stabbed. Imagine all those things at the same time and you panic. You're also trying to remember what you need to buy. You may also be worrying that it's obvious to people your having a panic attack. You're head is aching, you're finding it hard to breathe. Every hair on your body is standing on end and it feels like a thousand electric shocks going through your body. Can you imagine feeling like that? Now tell me why if someone is forced to go through all of that should they not be offered the opportunity to at least retreat to their car a little sooner to be able to try and catch their breath? Yes, i understand. I regret the terminology used in the last paragraph of my op. It was crass and ignorant and i apologise whole heartedly. And "hidden" implies you don't believe they exist " To me it just implies people that don't use wheelchairs or crutches. Not that issues don't exist. Like the examples I gave. | |||
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"OP imagine for a moment if you can. You're in a busy supermarket. Your senses in overload from the noises of people chatting, announcement, bleeping tills, children, trolleys, phones, the hum of the freezers, coffee machines, music, the collection tins. So many sounds it's painful. Then there's visual overload the lights so bright they are hurting your eyes and making you feel dizzy. The smells, cleaning products, fish counter, hot food, bakery, people. The place is busy and you feel anxious, you're finding it hard to breathe and to navigate around people and trolleys and stock. The coolness of the fridges section hits you and it feels like you're now also being stabbed. Imagine all those things at the same time and you panic. You're also trying to remember what you need to buy. You may also be worrying that it's obvious to people your having a panic attack. You're head is aching, you're finding it hard to breathe. Every hair on your body is standing on end and it feels like a thousand electric shocks going through your body. Can you imagine feeling like that? Now tell me why if someone is forced to go through all of that should they not be offered the opportunity to at least retreat to their car a little sooner to be able to try and catch their breath? You know you can get shopping delivered now ? You mention “forced to go through all that” The “benefit” of getting to the car quicker is just a nonsense really . Sorry" Not all supermarkets deliver | |||
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"OP imagine for a moment if you can. You're in a busy supermarket. Your senses in overload from the noises of people chatting, announcement, bleeping tills, children, trolleys, phones, the hum of the freezers, coffee machines, music, the collection tins. So many sounds it's painful. Then there's visual overload the lights so bright they are hurting your eyes and making you feel dizzy. The smells, cleaning products, fish counter, hot food, bakery, people. The place is busy and you feel anxious, you're finding it hard to breathe and to navigate around people and trolleys and stock. The coolness of the fridges section hits you and it feels like you're now also being stabbed. Imagine all those things at the same time and you panic. You're also trying to remember what you need to buy. You may also be worrying that it's obvious to people your having a panic attack. You're head is aching, you're finding it hard to breathe. Every hair on your body is standing on end and it feels like a thousand electric shocks going through your body. Can you imagine feeling like that? Now tell me why if someone is forced to go through all of that should they not be offered the opportunity to at least retreat to their car a little sooner to be able to try and catch their breath? You know you can get shopping delivered now ? You mention “forced to go through all that” The “benefit” of getting to the car quicker is just a nonsense really . Sorry Not all supermarkets deliver" | |||
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"9ne more thing... you should be apologising for the whole post! How dare you say what you said! Who gives you the right to tell disabled people who can and who cannot have a blue badge? You need to go and educate yourself on all disability!! It's not just about someone with a visual disability it's sooo much more than that. Honestly you have me seething right now! You should think and educate yourself first ok on the things that you know absolutely nothing about before you spout off!! .... " Maybe the internet/forums isn't for you if words on a screen get you worked up so much | |||
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"I hear that there is a plan to extend the blue badge to those with 'hidden' disabilities, such as autism. Since when does a mental disability impact on a person's ability to walk? They're just going to take parking spaces away from those who really need them or are we going to see more blue badge spaces being introduced impacting the rest of us? Surely if someone has a mental condition they shouldn't be driving in the first place, there's enough nutters on the roads already." Ah yes, another pushy vocal group whose advocates know how to work the mechanism of power like so many other such groups now do. You put it accurately, but perhaps a bit too harshly so no doubt the thought police will pile in on you before long. You've got to remember that "mental problems" is the new industry/get out of trouble card, with the Royal seal of approval. They are defining almost any difference from a very narrow norm as having some kind of "mental problem" label these days. They seem to have forgotten that creating an entire society with mental problems probably causes many of those poor souls who really do have a serious problem to end up as just another statistic in the mass of people. They're even sweeping our kids up in schools as part of their trawl. Catch'em young and keep 'em for life on the pills etc. Don't forget we also need jobs for all those packs of newly qualified "experts" that come along each year from the colleges/commercial operations and even unis with their ticket from NVQ to 'ology in this new game. The next step will be all the in-fighting as to which groups do get a badge and which don't. Going to get interesting when there are way more blue badge holders than can be possibly accommodated in even an increased number of allocated parking spaces. Perhaps we'll see a reversal of the car park layout: Non-blue badge holders (those few remaining wierdos who tag themselves normal) get the spaces near the store and the whole of the rest of the car park is for the majority (blue badge holders). | |||
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"OP imagine for a moment if you can. You're in a busy supermarket. Your senses in overload from the noises of people chatting, announcement, bleeping tills, children, trolleys, phones, the hum of the freezers, coffee machines, music, the collection tins. So many sounds it's painful. Then there's visual overload the lights so bright they are hurting your eyes and making you feel dizzy. The smells, cleaning products, fish counter, hot food, bakery, people. The place is busy and you feel anxious, you're finding it hard to breathe and to navigate around people and trolleys and stock. The coolness of the fridges section hits you and it feels like you're now also being stabbed. Imagine all those things at the same time and you panic. You're also trying to remember what you need to buy. You may also be worrying that it's obvious to people your having a panic attack. You're head is aching, you're finding it hard to breathe. Every hair on your body is standing on end and it feels like a thousand electric shocks going through your body. Can you imagine feeling like that? Now tell me why if someone is forced to go through all of that should they not be offered the opportunity to at least retreat to their car a little sooner to be able to try and catch their breath? You know you can get shopping delivered now ? You mention “forced to go through all that” The “benefit” of getting to the car quicker is just a nonsense really . Sorry" I'd completely disagree. I know a lot of adults on the spectrum who are forced to suffer the experience because even the quiet hours introduced by some shops are spoilt by insensitive pigs who feel they have more right than others. As for your online shopping comment, there's often a minimum order or a fear that something isn't right when it arrives or a whole other host of reasons why they don't use it. Lastly why shouldn't they be able to go shopping like everyone else? | |||
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"Reported!!!! Bit OTT don't you think! The subject might be controversial and the op may have used a word that people will undoubtedly find offensive but the forum is all about debate and he has started one about a subject that some of us might learn something from and become more aware about! "Nutters" was aimed at the able bodied already driving on the roads was it not? Don't think OP was branding disabled people as nutters. Not intentionally anyway." grasping at straws here... he wasnt aiming his reasoning towards disabled people..he was arguing that those with certain mental health issues are 'nutters'. A pretty horrid response that could have been handled in a different manner- and one too often common in people thinking they can diagnose who needs help and who does not..and it is mainly a selfish thing, believing others to be getting special privilege which makes things unfair to themselves. Either way, as a relative to a young disabled person who requires weight bearing help..we have drove to collect her and parked in a disabled area..some think we have just been lazy when they see us leave the car to get her... very easy to quick judge people..knowing fuck all about the situation. | |||
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"OP imagine for a moment if you can. You're in a busy supermarket. Your senses in overload from the noises of people chatting, announcement, bleeping tills, children, trolleys, phones, the hum of the freezers, coffee machines, music, the collection tins. So many sounds it's painful. Then there's visual overload the lights so bright they are hurting your eyes and making you feel dizzy. The smells, cleaning products, fish counter, hot food, bakery, people. The place is busy and you feel anxious, you're finding it hard to breathe and to navigate around people and trolleys and stock. The coolness of the fridges section hits you and it feels like you're now also being stabbed. Imagine all those things at the same time and you panic. You're also trying to remember what you need to buy. You may also be worrying that it's obvious to people your having a panic attack. You're head is aching, you're finding it hard to breathe. Every hair on your body is standing on end and it feels like a thousand electric shocks going through your body. Can you imagine feeling like that? Now tell me why if someone is forced to go through all of that should they not be offered the opportunity to at least retreat to their car a little sooner to be able to try and catch their breath? You know you can get shopping delivered now ? You mention “forced to go through all that” The “benefit” of getting to the car quicker is just a nonsense really . Sorry Not all supermarkets deliver " Well they don’t lol. Where my brother lives there’s a local Lidl and that’s it for ages. Tesco won’t deliver to him as he is too far away from any Tesco, same for any other supermarket. For as many points you can argue that folk with mental disabilities don’t need blue badges, clearly more points for it have been made, hence why it is coming into affect | |||
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"OP imagine for a moment if you can. You're in a busy supermarket. Your senses in overload from the noises of people chatting, announcement, bleeping tills, children, trolleys, phones, the hum of the freezers, coffee machines, music, the collection tins. So many sounds it's painful. Then there's visual overload the lights so bright they are hurting your eyes and making you feel dizzy. The smells, cleaning products, fish counter, hot food, bakery, people. The place is busy and you feel anxious, you're finding it hard to breathe and to navigate around people and trolleys and stock. The coolness of the fridges section hits you and it feels like you're now also being stabbed. Imagine all those things at the same time and you panic. You're also trying to remember what you need to buy. You may also be worrying that it's obvious to people your having a panic attack. You're head is aching, you're finding it hard to breathe. Every hair on your body is standing on end and it feels like a thousand electric shocks going through your body. Can you imagine feeling like that? Now tell me why if someone is forced to go through all of that should they not be offered the opportunity to at least retreat to their car a little sooner to be able to try and catch their breath? You know you can get shopping delivered now ? You mention “forced to go through all that” The “benefit” of getting to the car quicker is just a nonsense really . Sorry" I would think people with those issues still try to lead a normal life by going out and doing their shopping. | |||
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"OP imagine for a moment if you can. You're in a busy supermarket. Your senses in overload from the noises of people chatting, announcement, bleeping tills, children, trolleys, phones, the hum of the freezers, coffee machines, music, the collection tins. So many sounds it's painful. Then there's visual overload the lights so bright they are hurting your eyes and making you feel dizzy. The smells, cleaning products, fish counter, hot food, bakery, people. The place is busy and you feel anxious, you're finding it hard to breathe and to navigate around people and trolleys and stock. The coolness of the fridges section hits you and it feels like you're now also being stabbed. Imagine all those things at the same time and you panic. You're also trying to remember what you need to buy. You may also be worrying that it's obvious to people your having a panic attack. You're head is aching, you're finding it hard to breathe. Every hair on your body is standing on end and it feels like a thousand electric shocks going through your body. Can you imagine feeling like that? Now tell me why if someone is forced to go through all of that should they not be offered the opportunity to at least retreat to their car a little sooner to be able to try and catch their breath? You know you can get shopping delivered now ? You mention “forced to go through all that” The “benefit” of getting to the car quicker is just a nonsense really . Sorry I would think people with those issues still try to lead a normal life by going out and doing their shopping. " And that | |||
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" I know people are pissed off at the OP but he's raised a good topic. It does help to raise awareness or make us think differently. I think that's a good thing. Also if he'd worded his OP differently people might have passed it by and not posted. Or not given examples of their experiences. x" He did (even if the language was somewhat ill-considered). Attitudes to mental health are changing slowly, helped not least by the likes of Princes Harry and William and their partners associating with campaigns. The problem implicit in the OP is that he can't see the person's disability, so questions their entitlement to take up a space. Disabilities are more than just physical impairments. It looks like the Blue Badge scheme is catching up with that change in thinking. I think that is good. The brain is perhaps the least well understood and diagnosed organ of the human body. When it malfunctions, it isn't obvious to others. There is still a stigma associated with it, too - the "pull yourself together" attitude of those who refuse to believe someone can be ill unless they are wearing a plaster cast on their head. When it comes to judging someone's disabilities, I prefer to leave those judgements in the hands of professional clinicians. If that judgement entitles them to a blue badge space, absolutely fine. | |||
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"OP imagine for a moment if you can. You're in a busy supermarket. Your senses in overload from the noises of people chatting, announcement, bleeping tills, children, trolleys, phones, the hum of the freezers, coffee machines, music, the collection tins. So many sounds it's painful. Then there's visual overload the lights so bright they are hurting your eyes and making you feel dizzy. The smells, cleaning products, fish counter, hot food, bakery, people. The place is busy and you feel anxious, you're finding it hard to breathe and to navigate around people and trolleys and stock. The coolness of the fridges section hits you and it feels like you're now also being stabbed. Imagine all those things at the same time and you panic. You're also trying to remember what you need to buy. You may also be worrying that it's obvious to people your having a panic attack. You're head is aching, you're finding it hard to breathe. Every hair on your body is standing on end and it feels like a thousand electric shocks going through your body. Can you imagine feeling like that? Now tell me why if someone is forced to go through all of that should they not be offered the opportunity to at least retreat to their car a little sooner to be able to try and catch their breath? You know you can get shopping delivered now ? You mention “forced to go through all that” The “benefit” of getting to the car quicker is just a nonsense really . Sorry I would think people with those issues still try to lead a normal life by going out and doing their shopping. " And normal life for everyone includes the hassle of the supermarket car park | |||
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"So you blinking well should!!!!!!!" What's with the exclamation marks? You'll end up using them all up and there will be none left for the rest of us. | |||
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"OP imagine for a moment if you can. You're in a busy supermarket. Your senses in overload from the noises of people chatting, announcement, bleeping tills, children, trolleys, phones, the hum of the freezers, coffee machines, music, the collection tins. So many sounds it's painful. Then there's visual overload the lights so bright they are hurting your eyes and making you feel dizzy. The smells, cleaning products, fish counter, hot food, bakery, people. The place is busy and you feel anxious, you're finding it hard to breathe and to navigate around people and trolleys and stock. The coolness of the fridges section hits you and it feels like you're now also being stabbed. Imagine all those things at the same time and you panic. You're also trying to remember what you need to buy. You may also be worrying that it's obvious to people your having a panic attack. You're head is aching, you're finding it hard to breathe. Every hair on your body is standing on end and it feels like a thousand electric shocks going through your body. Can you imagine feeling like that? Now tell me why if someone is forced to go through all of that should they not be offered the opportunity to at least retreat to their car a little sooner to be able to try and catch their breath? You know you can get shopping delivered now ? You mention “forced to go through all that” The “benefit” of getting to the car quicker is just a nonsense really . Sorry" You know it's not just supermarkets that have disabled spaces right? | |||
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"OP imagine for a moment if you can. You're in a busy supermarket. Your senses in overload from the noises of people chatting, announcement, bleeping tills, children, trolleys, phones, the hum of the freezers, coffee machines, music, the collection tins. So many sounds it's painful. Then there's visual overload the lights so bright they are hurting your eyes and making you feel dizzy. The smells, cleaning products, fish counter, hot food, bakery, people. The place is busy and you feel anxious, you're finding it hard to breathe and to navigate around people and trolleys and stock. The coolness of the fridges section hits you and it feels like you're now also being stabbed. Imagine all those things at the same time and you panic. You're also trying to remember what you need to buy. You may also be worrying that it's obvious to people your having a panic attack. You're head is aching, you're finding it hard to breathe. Every hair on your body is standing on end and it feels like a thousand electric shocks going through your body. Can you imagine feeling like that? Now tell me why if someone is forced to go through all of that should they not be offered the opportunity to at least retreat to their car a little sooner to be able to try and catch their breath? You know you can get shopping delivered now ? You mention “forced to go through all that” The “benefit” of getting to the car quicker is just a nonsense really . Sorry Not all supermarkets deliver" Sorry this one dosent warrant a badge . Getting to the car 3 minutes quicker will make no difference | |||
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"I hear that there is a plan to extend the blue badge to those with 'hidden' disabilities, such as autism. Since when does a mental disability impact on a person's ability to walk? They're just going to take parking spaces away from those who really need them or are we going to see more blue badge spaces being introduced impacting the rest of us? Surely if someone has a mental condition they shouldn't be driving in the first place, there's enough nutters on the roads already. They are not necessarily driving . They can use it in any car they are being transported in, so don't worry.... This is where I start to have problems with those spaces because surely they are rightly there for people with mobility issues so as to be closer to facilities? Sorry, what I was saying that, it's the disabled person that has the blue badge, to use in a car they are driving or are being driven in, so they are closer to facilities. It is a very difficult process to get a blue badge, as it should be, so hopefully it goes to those that genuinely need it " Personal view: I have only two experiences of someone obtaining a blue badge, my now departed mother and exfather-in-law. Both had no problems getting one and in my humble opinion neither needed one. I reiterate, my own personal experience. | |||
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"OP imagine for a moment if you can. You're in a busy supermarket. Your senses in overload from the noises of people chatting, announcement, bleeping tills, children, trolleys, phones, the hum of the freezers, coffee machines, music, the collection tins. So many sounds it's painful. Then there's visual overload the lights so bright they are hurting your eyes and making you feel dizzy. The smells, cleaning products, fish counter, hot food, bakery, people. The place is busy and you feel anxious, you're finding it hard to breathe and to navigate around people and trolleys and stock. The coolness of the fridges section hits you and it feels like you're now also being stabbed. Imagine all those things at the same time and you panic. You're also trying to remember what you need to buy. You may also be worrying that it's obvious to people your having a panic attack. You're head is aching, you're finding it hard to breathe. Every hair on your body is standing on end and it feels like a thousand electric shocks going through your body. Can you imagine feeling like that? Now tell me why if someone is forced to go through all of that should they not be offered the opportunity to at least retreat to their car a little sooner to be able to try and catch their breath? You know you can get shopping delivered now ? You mention “forced to go through all that” The “benefit” of getting to the car quicker is just a nonsense really . Sorry You know it's not just supermarkets that have disabled spaces right? " The point being ? | |||
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"OP imagine for a moment if you can. You're in a busy supermarket. Your senses in overload from the noises of people chatting, announcement, bleeping tills, children, trolleys, phones, the hum of the freezers, coffee machines, music, the collection tins. So many sounds it's painful. Then there's visual overload the lights so bright they are hurting your eyes and making you feel dizzy. The smells, cleaning products, fish counter, hot food, bakery, people. The place is busy and you feel anxious, you're finding it hard to breathe and to navigate around people and trolleys and stock. The coolness of the fridges section hits you and it feels like you're now also being stabbed. Imagine all those things at the same time and you panic. You're also trying to remember what you need to buy. You may also be worrying that it's obvious to people your having a panic attack. You're head is aching, you're finding it hard to breathe. Every hair on your body is standing on end and it feels like a thousand electric shocks going through your body. Can you imagine feeling like that? Now tell me why if someone is forced to go through all of that should they not be offered the opportunity to at least retreat to their car a little sooner to be able to try and catch their breath? You know you can get shopping delivered now ? You mention “forced to go through all that” The “benefit” of getting to the car quicker is just a nonsense really . Sorry Not all supermarkets deliver Sorry this one dosent warrant a badge . Getting to the car 3 minutes quicker will make no difference " Have you tried?? | |||
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"I hear that there is a plan to extend the blue badge to those with 'hidden' disabilities, such as autism. Since when does a mental disability impact on a person's ability to walk? They're just going to take parking spaces away from those who really need them or are we going to see more blue badge spaces being introduced impacting the rest of us? Surely if someone has a mental condition they shouldn't be driving in the first place, there's enough nutters on the roads already. They are not necessarily driving . They can use it in any car they are being transported in, so don't worry.... This is where I start to have problems with those spaces because surely they are rightly there for people with mobility issues so as to be closer to facilities? Sorry, what I was saying that, it's the disabled person that has the blue badge, to use in a car they are driving or are being driven in, so they are closer to facilities. It is a very difficult process to get a blue badge, as it should be, so hopefully it goes to those that genuinely need it Personal view: I have only two experiences of someone obtaining a blue badge, my now departed mother and exfather-in-law. Both had no problems getting one and in my humble opinion neither needed one. I reiterate, my own personal experience." | |||
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"OP imagine for a moment if you can. You're in a busy supermarket. Your senses in overload from the noises of people chatting, announcement, bleeping tills, children, trolleys, phones, the hum of the freezers, coffee machines, music, the collection tins. So many sounds it's painful. Then there's visual overload the lights so bright they are hurting your eyes and making you feel dizzy. The smells, cleaning products, fish counter, hot food, bakery, people. The place is busy and you feel anxious, you're finding it hard to breathe and to navigate around people and trolleys and stock. The coolness of the fridges section hits you and it feels like you're now also being stabbed. Imagine all those things at the same time and you panic. You're also trying to remember what you need to buy. You may also be worrying that it's obvious to people your having a panic attack. You're head is aching, you're finding it hard to breathe. Every hair on your body is standing on end and it feels like a thousand electric shocks going through your body. Can you imagine feeling like that? Now tell me why if someone is forced to go through all of that should they not be offered the opportunity to at least retreat to their car a little sooner to be able to try and catch their breath? You know you can get shopping delivered now ? You mention “forced to go through all that” The “benefit” of getting to the car quicker is just a nonsense really . Sorry Not all supermarkets deliver Sorry this one dosent warrant a badge . Getting to the car 3 minutes quicker will make no difference " Bit like saying the noise of my feet on the ground as I appoach the car . The noise of other cars parking and leaving Oh no the noise of the car keys as I get them from my pocket ..the beep of the alarm .the noise as I start the engine .all the other noises in the car park | |||
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"OP imagine for a moment if you can. You're in a busy supermarket. Your senses in overload from the noises of people chatting, announcement, bleeping tills, children, trolleys, phones, the hum of the freezers, coffee machines, music, the collection tins. So many sounds it's painful. Then there's visual overload the lights so bright they are hurting your eyes and making you feel dizzy. The smells, cleaning products, fish counter, hot food, bakery, people. The place is busy and you feel anxious, you're finding it hard to breathe and to navigate around people and trolleys and stock. The coolness of the fridges section hits you and it feels like you're now also being stabbed. Imagine all those things at the same time and you panic. You're also trying to remember what you need to buy. You may also be worrying that it's obvious to people your having a panic attack. You're head is aching, you're finding it hard to breathe. Every hair on your body is standing on end and it feels like a thousand electric shocks going through your body. Can you imagine feeling like that? Now tell me why if someone is forced to go through all of that should they not be offered the opportunity to at least retreat to their car a little sooner to be able to try and catch their breath? You know you can get shopping delivered now ? You mention “forced to go through all that” The “benefit” of getting to the car quicker is just a nonsense really . Sorry I would think people with those issues still try to lead a normal life by going out and doing their shopping. And normal life for everyone includes the hassle of the supermarket car park " It can do, yes | |||
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"Some abuse the system.Its human nature .However if I see a young healthy person skip out a sports car with a blue badge on it gets my rag A friend i know who feels the same has keyed the offending vehicle in the past . " I see what you're saying, but to key a car is disgraceful and unlawful! | |||
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"OP imagine for a moment if you can. You're in a busy supermarket. Your senses in overload from the noises of people chatting, announcement, bleeping tills, children, trolleys, phones, the hum of the freezers, coffee machines, music, the collection tins. So many sounds it's painful. Then there's visual overload the lights so bright they are hurting your eyes and making you feel dizzy. The smells, cleaning products, fish counter, hot food, bakery, people. The place is busy and you feel anxious, you're finding it hard to breathe and to navigate around people and trolleys and stock. The coolness of the fridges section hits you and it feels like you're now also being stabbed. Imagine all those things at the same time and you panic. You're also trying to remember what you need to buy. You may also be worrying that it's obvious to people your having a panic attack. You're head is aching, you're finding it hard to breathe. Every hair on your body is standing on end and it feels like a thousand electric shocks going through your body. Can you imagine feeling like that? Now tell me why if someone is forced to go through all of that should they not be offered the opportunity to at least retreat to their car a little sooner to be able to try and catch their breath? You know you can get shopping delivered now ? You mention “forced to go through all that” The “benefit” of getting to the car quicker is just a nonsense really . Sorry Not all supermarkets deliver Sorry this one dosent warrant a badge . Getting to the car 3 minutes quicker will make no difference Bit like saying the noise of my feet on the ground as I appoach the car . The noise of other cars parking and leaving Oh no the noise of the car keys as I get them from my pocket ..the beep of the alarm .the noise as I start the engine .all the other noises in the car park " You're missing the point. Yes all those things can also be difficult, however being back in the safe space away from others is often a help rather than a hinderence . I really wonder about some people. However I really won't waste anymore of my time feeding trolls on the forum today. I just hope that should you ever experience any difficulties people like you don't then try and make you feel bad about it as well | |||
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"Reported!!!! Bit OTT don't you think! The subject might be controversial and the op may have used a word that people will undoubtedly find offensive but the forum is all about debate and he has started one about a subject that some of us might learn something from and become more aware about! "Nutters" was aimed at the able bodied already driving on the roads was it not? Don't think OP was branding disabled people as nutters. Not intentionally anyway." That's how I interpreted it... unfortunate choice of words is all! | |||
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"Some abuse the system.Its human nature .However if I see a young healthy person skip out a sports car with a blue badge on it gets my rag A friend i know who feels the same has keyed the offending vehicle in the past . " How do you know the person doesn't have a metal issue ? Or are you just assuming them don't because they are young and appear healthy | |||
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"Some abuse the system.Its human nature .However if I see a young healthy person skip out a sports car with a blue badge on it gets my rag A friend i know who feels the same has keyed the offending vehicle in the past . " your friend sounds like a cunt. judge,jury,punisher and social justice warrior. | |||
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"Some abuse the system.Its human nature .However if I see a young healthy person skip out a sports car with a blue badge on it gets my rag A friend i know who feels the same has keyed the offending vehicle in the past . " There is a local man who has a disabled adult daughter and he drives a beautiful car, which she loves riding in. One very rainy day,his partner took the daughter into the supermarket whilst he got his bags out, put her blue badge up and thus walked away on his own. He came back to a disgusting note on his windscreen saying if he's driving a flash car, he shouldn't need to park in a disabled space...can you see how people can get it wrong?... | |||
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"Getting a blue badge in my experience is like getting a Blue Peter one, near on impossible. 80+ parent, sight impaired, heart / stroke condition, because they could walk aided the required distance (albeit slower than a snail ) wasn’t allowed one. " This is my experience too, with a family member who has terminal cancer and some days her walking is very limited. | |||
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"Some abuse the system.Its human nature .However if I see a young healthy person skip out a sports car with a blue badge on it gets my rag A friend i know who feels the same has keyed the offending vehicle in the past . There is a local man who has a disabled adult daughter and he drives a beautiful car, which she loves riding in. One very rainy day,his partner took the daughter into the supermarket whilst he got his bags out, put her blue badge up and thus walked away on his own. He came back to a disgusting note on his windscreen saying if he's driving a flash car, he shouldn't need to park in a disabled space...can you see how people can get it wrong?..." That's life isn't it some people get it wrong some get it right..If it wasn't abused then the self righteous wouldn't get out their keys . | |||
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"OP imagine for a moment if you can. You're in a busy supermarket. Your senses in overload from the noises of people chatting, announcement, bleeping tills, children, trolleys, phones, the hum of the freezers, coffee machines, music, the collection tins. So many sounds it's painful. Then there's visual overload the lights so bright they are hurting your eyes and making you feel dizzy. The smells, cleaning products, fish counter, hot food, bakery, people. The place is busy and you feel anxious, you're finding it hard to breathe and to navigate around people and trolleys and stock. The coolness of the fridges section hits you and it feels like you're now also being stabbed. Imagine all those things at the same time and you panic. You're also trying to remember what you need to buy. You may also be worrying that it's obvious to people your having a panic attack. You're head is aching, you're finding it hard to breathe. Every hair on your body is standing on end and it feels like a thousand electric shocks going through your body. Can you imagine feeling like that? Now tell me why if someone is forced to go through all of that should they not be offered the opportunity to at least retreat to their car a little sooner to be able to try and catch their breath? You know you can get shopping delivered now ? You mention “forced to go through all that” The “benefit” of getting to the car quicker is just a nonsense really . Sorry Not all supermarkets deliver Sorry this one dosent warrant a badge . Getting to the car 3 minutes quicker will make no difference Bit like saying the noise of my feet on the ground as I appoach the car . The noise of other cars parking and leaving Oh no the noise of the car keys as I get them from my pocket ..the beep of the alarm .the noise as I start the engine .all the other noises in the car park You're missing the point. Yes all those things can also be difficult, however being back in the safe space away from others is often a help rather than a hinderence . I really wonder about some people. However I really won't waste anymore of my time feeding trolls on the forum today. I just hope that should you ever experience any difficulties people like you don't then try and make you feel bad about it as well" If the person described in the post has those kind of problems coping with the stimuli of a supermarket, how do they react to the stimuli of traffic? Car horns, pedestrians, flashing light, bikes weaving in and out etc. In this case, it's not just a shopping trolley they risk losing control of, it's a two tonne lump of metal capable of speeds approaching 100 mph or more. | |||
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"Some abuse the system.Its human nature .However if I see a young healthy person skip out a sports car with a blue badge on it gets my rag A friend i know who feels the same has keyed the offending vehicle in the past . There is a local man who has a disabled adult daughter and he drives a beautiful car, which she loves riding in. One very rainy day,his partner took the daughter into the supermarket whilst he got his bags out, put her blue badge up and thus walked away on his own. He came back to a disgusting note on his windscreen saying if he's driving a flash car, he shouldn't need to park in a disabled space...can you see how people can get it wrong?... That's life isn't it some people get it wrong some get it right..If it wasn't abused then the self righteous wouldn't get out their keys ." ? | |||
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"I have kids with autism, in almost all instances of autism come problems with mobility of some description. To say it would take away spaces from those with a real disability is an insult to those who suffer with autism. It is a very real disability and can have a profound effect on a person. I have a blue badge for use when my kids are in the car, they cannot get out of the car in a normal sized space, have poor gross motor skills and terrible balance. The disabled spaces allow them to get out without hurting themselves and also without damaging other people's cars. I suggest you go and educate yourself on mental disabilities of all kinds before you make such sweeping statements in the future." Which statements are you on about? | |||
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"I have kids with autism, in almost all instances of autism come problems with mobility of some description. To say it would take away spaces from those with a real disability is an insult to those who suffer with autism. It is a very real disability and can have a profound effect on a person. I have a blue badge for use when my kids are in the car, they cannot get out of the car in a normal sized space, have poor gross motor skills and terrible balance. The disabled spaces allow them to get out without hurting themselves and also without damaging other people's cars. I suggest you go and educate yourself on mental disabilities of all kinds before you make such sweeping statements in the future. Which statements are you on about?" Since when does a mental disability impact on a person's ability to walk? | |||
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"Some abuse the system.Its human nature .However if I see a young healthy person skip out a sports car with a blue badge on it gets my rag A friend i know who feels the same has keyed the offending vehicle in the past . There is a local man who has a disabled adult daughter and he drives a beautiful car, which she loves riding in. One very rainy day,his partner took the daughter into the supermarket whilst he got his bags out, put her blue badge up and thus walked away on his own. He came back to a disgusting note on his windscreen saying if he's driving a flash car, he shouldn't need to park in a disabled space...can you see how people can get it wrong?... That's life isn't it some people get it wrong some get it right..If it wasn't abused then the self righteous wouldn't get out their keys ." But can you see how your friend may have got it wrong? Supposing it had been this man's car he had keyed? That's ok is it? It's not for him to judge, or indeed cause criminal damage to someone's car, when he doesn't know the circumstances and how was he personally affected by this? | |||
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"I have kids with autism, in almost all instances of autism come problems with mobility of some description. To say it would take away spaces from those with a real disability is an insult to those who suffer with autism. It is a very real disability and can have a profound effect on a person. I have a blue badge for use when my kids are in the car, they cannot get out of the car in a normal sized space, have poor gross motor skills and terrible balance. The disabled spaces allow them to get out without hurting themselves and also without damaging other people's cars. I suggest you go and educate yourself on mental disabilities of all kinds before you make such sweeping statements in the future. Which statements are you on about? Since when does a mental disability impact on a person's ability to walk? " I'm not trying to argue with you I was just interested in the statements you referred to. Hence my question. I'm not in a position to answer your question to me, sorry | |||
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"I have kids with autism, in almost all instances of autism come problems with mobility of some description. To say it would take away spaces from those with a real disability is an insult to those who suffer with autism. It is a very real disability and can have a profound effect on a person. I have a blue badge for use when my kids are in the car, they cannot get out of the car in a normal sized space, have poor gross motor skills and terrible balance. The disabled spaces allow them to get out without hurting themselves and also without damaging other people's cars. I suggest you go and educate yourself on mental disabilities of all kinds before you make such sweeping statements in the future." Well said! | |||
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"I have kids with autism, in almost all instances of autism come problems with mobility of some description. To say it would take away spaces from those with a real disability is an insult to those who suffer with autism. It is a very real disability and can have a profound effect on a person. I have a blue badge for use when my kids are in the car, they cannot get out of the car in a normal sized space, have poor gross motor skills and terrible balance. The disabled spaces allow them to get out without hurting themselves and also without damaging other people's cars. I suggest you go and educate yourself on mental disabilities of all kinds before you make such sweeping statements in the future. Which statements are you on about? Since when does a mental disability impact on a person's ability to walk? I'm not trying to argue with you I was just interested in the statements you referred to. Hence my question. I'm not in a position to answer your question to me, sorry" That's what the op said, implying that mental disabilities don't affect a person's ability to walk, pretty sweeping statement. | |||
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"I have kids with autism, in almost all instances of autism come problems with mobility of some description. To say it would take away spaces from those with a real disability is an insult to those who suffer with autism. It is a very real disability and can have a profound effect on a person. I have a blue badge for use when my kids are in the car, they cannot get out of the car in a normal sized space, have poor gross motor skills and terrible balance. The disabled spaces allow them to get out without hurting themselves and also without damaging other people's cars. I suggest you go and educate yourself on mental disabilities of all kinds before you make such sweeping statements in the future." Surely having poor gross motor skills and terrible balance is a physical disability as a consequence of having autism. This is not what my op was aimed at. Also mental disability covers a wide range of conditions, i merely used autism as an example. | |||
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"I have kids with autism, in almost all instances of autism come problems with mobility of some description. To say it would take away spaces from those with a real disability is an insult to those who suffer with autism. It is a very real disability and can have a profound effect on a person. I have a blue badge for use when my kids are in the car, they cannot get out of the car in a normal sized space, have poor gross motor skills and terrible balance. The disabled spaces allow them to get out without hurting themselves and also without damaging other people's cars. I suggest you go and educate yourself on mental disabilities of all kinds before you make such sweeping statements in the future. Which statements are you on about? Since when does a mental disability impact on a person's ability to walk? I'm not trying to argue with you I was just interested in the statements you referred to. Hence my question. I'm not in a position to answer your question to me, sorry That's what the op said, implying that mental disabilities don't affect a person's ability to walk, pretty sweeping statement." This is why I asked which statement. I only saw one statement (last paragraph) the rest I saw as questions being asked, hence the question marks. I could well be wrong on it but it's how I saw it | |||
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"OP imagine for a moment if you can. You're in a busy supermarket. Your senses in overload from the noises of people chatting, announcement, bleeping tills, children, trolleys, phones, the hum of the freezers, coffee machines, music, the collection tins. So many sounds it's painful. Then there's visual overload the lights so bright they are hurting your eyes and making you feel dizzy. The smells, cleaning products, fish counter, hot food, bakery, people. The place is busy and you feel anxious, you're finding it hard to breathe and to navigate around people and trolleys and stock. The coolness of the fridges section hits you and it feels like you're now also being stabbed. Imagine all those things at the same time and you panic. You're also trying to remember what you need to buy. You may also be worrying that it's obvious to people your having a panic attack. You're head is aching, you're finding it hard to breathe. Every hair on your body is standing on end and it feels like a thousand electric shocks going through your body. Can you imagine feeling like that? Now tell me why if someone is forced to go through all of that should they not be offered the opportunity to at least retreat to their car a little sooner to be able to try and catch their breath? " I think if there was an abundance of parking spaces then yes it would be nice to offer people that bit of extra help but when there aren’t enough spaces for the people who can’t actually make it the longer distance to the additional parking spaces they have to park in when the disabled spaces are full, I don’t think we are in the position to be able to offer it, maybe as a society if we believe so many people need assistance with having to walk the extra spaces we need to rethink the parking first, until then I think it should be done on actual need | |||
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"'Hidden' is not a term i've just invented for the purpose of this thread, it is in common usage and also applies to physical disabilities. All of the people i've ever met with mental illness have been just as able bodied as myself but i'm not here to judge. What concerns me is that with modern society's urge/need to be inclusive these badges will be handed out willy-nilly at the expense of those with real physical need." Again you are judging, “all the people I’ve met with mental illness are as able bodied as myself “ so you’re medically qualified to say so just by looking at someone. Hidden disabilities are that, not physically noticeable but non the less debilitating. Who are you to say that the blue badge shouldn’t be given to them if it just makes getting out that bit easier. Lots of times many of these people are out and can’t cope with everything that’s happening around them so need to make a quick exit, getting out of a normal parking space when you’ve got an adult in full meltdown mode is not something most people would want to attempt, again it’s a safety issue. Sorry but you really have no concept of what it’s like to have to deal with this everyday of your life. X | |||
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"I hear that there is a plan to extend the blue badge to those with 'hidden' disabilities, such as autism. Since when does a mental disability impact on a person's ability to walk? They're just going to take parking spaces away from those who really need them or are we going to see more blue badge spaces being introduced impacting the rest of us? Surely if someone has a mental condition they shouldn't be driving in the first place, there's enough nutters on the roads already." Wow. Ignorance at its best. Every heard of Dyspraxia???? | |||
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"Getting a blue badge in my experience is like getting a Blue Peter one, near on impossible. 80+ parent, sight impaired, heart / stroke condition, because they could walk aided the required distance (albeit slower than a snail ) wasn’t allowed one. " Seems to show the lack of consistency in obtaining one, exfather-in-law literally told his Doctor he couldn't walk 100m without struggling and he got one! | |||
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"I have kids with autism, in almost all instances of autism come problems with mobility of some description. To say it would take away spaces from those with a real disability is an insult to those who suffer with autism. It is a very real disability and can have a profound effect on a person. I have a blue badge for use when my kids are in the car, they cannot get out of the car in a normal sized space, have poor gross motor skills and terrible balance. The disabled spaces allow them to get out without hurting themselves and also without damaging other people's cars. I suggest you go and educate yourself on mental disabilities of all kinds before you make such sweeping statements in the future. Which statements are you on about? Since when does a mental disability impact on a person's ability to walk? I'm not trying to argue with you I was just interested in the statements you referred to. Hence my question. I'm not in a position to answer your question to me, sorry That's what the op said, implying that mental disabilities don't affect a person's ability to walk, pretty sweeping statement. This is why I asked which statement. I only saw one statement (last paragraph) the rest I saw as questions being asked, hence the question marks. I could well be wrong on it but it's how I saw it" It was indeed intended as questions to prompt debate. The last paragraph i regret writing and have already apologised for doing so. | |||
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"Getting a blue badge in my experience is like getting a Blue Peter one, near on impossible. 80+ parent, sight impaired, heart / stroke condition, because they could walk aided the required distance (albeit slower than a snail ) wasn’t allowed one. Seems to show the lack of consistency in obtaining one, exfather-in-law literally told his Doctor he couldn't walk 100m without struggling and he got one!" It is definitely inconsistent and there will always be some who will lie to get any kind of benefit, I don't know how they get around this, there are not enough resources to interview or assess these applicants face to face | |||
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"I have kids with autism, in almost all instances of autism come problems with mobility of some description. To say it would take away spaces from those with a real disability is an insult to those who suffer with autism. It is a very real disability and can have a profound effect on a person. I have a blue badge for use when my kids are in the car, they cannot get out of the car in a normal sized space, have poor gross motor skills and terrible balance. The disabled spaces allow them to get out without hurting themselves and also without damaging other people's cars. I suggest you go and educate yourself on mental disabilities of all kinds before you make such sweeping statements in the future. Which statements are you on about? Since when does a mental disability impact on a person's ability to walk? I'm not trying to argue with you I was just interested in the statements you referred to. Hence my question. I'm not in a position to answer your question to me, sorry That's what the op said, implying that mental disabilities don't affect a person's ability to walk, pretty sweeping statement. This is why I asked which statement. I only saw one statement (last paragraph) the rest I saw as questions being asked, hence the question marks. I could well be wrong on it but it's how I saw it It was indeed intended as questions to prompt debate. The last paragraph i regret writing and have already apologised for doing so." I know OP. A lot are reading your post and skipping to the last to add theirs and missing out the important middle bits. I miss read it and took offence but when you explained what you mentioned I accepted it straight away. I've never known you to say anything with spite/offence/negativity etc and don't see why you would start with that today. | |||
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"I have kids with autism, in almost all instances of autism come problems with mobility of some description. To say it would take away spaces from those with a real disability is an insult to those who suffer with autism. It is a very real disability and can have a profound effect on a person. I have a blue badge for use when my kids are in the car, they cannot get out of the car in a normal sized space, have poor gross motor skills and terrible balance. The disabled spaces allow them to get out without hurting themselves and also without damaging other people's cars. I suggest you go and educate yourself on mental disabilities of all kinds before you make such sweeping statements in the future. Which statements are you on about? Since when does a mental disability impact on a person's ability to walk? I'm not trying to argue with you I was just interested in the statements you referred to. Hence my question. I'm not in a position to answer your question to me, sorry That's what the op said, implying that mental disabilities don't affect a person's ability to walk, pretty sweeping statement. This is why I asked which statement. I only saw one statement (last paragraph) the rest I saw as questions being asked, hence the question marks. I could well be wrong on it but it's how I saw it It was indeed intended as questions to prompt debate. The last paragraph i regret writing and have already apologised for doing so. I know OP. A lot are reading your post and skipping to the last to add theirs and missing out the important middle bits. I miss read it and took offence but when you explained what you mentioned I accepted it straight away. I've never known you to say anything with spite/offence/negativity etc and don't see why you would start with that today." Thanks. Sometimes i think the world needs people who're prepared to stick their heads above the parapet and speak the unspeakable. I believe it's the best way to exercise change. | |||
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"I have kids with autism, in almost all instances of autism come problems with mobility of some description. To say it would take away spaces from those with a real disability is an insult to those who suffer with autism. It is a very real disability and can have a profound effect on a person. I have a blue badge for use when my kids are in the car, they cannot get out of the car in a normal sized space, have poor gross motor skills and terrible balance. The disabled spaces allow them to get out without hurting themselves and also without damaging other people's cars. I suggest you go and educate yourself on mental disabilities of all kinds before you make such sweeping statements in the future. Which statements are you on about? Since when does a mental disability impact on a person's ability to walk? I'm not trying to argue with you I was just interested in the statements you referred to. Hence my question. I'm not in a position to answer your question to me, sorry That's what the op said, implying that mental disabilities don't affect a person's ability to walk, pretty sweeping statement. This is why I asked which statement. I only saw one statement (last paragraph) the rest I saw as questions being asked, hence the question marks. I could well be wrong on it but it's how I saw it It was indeed intended as questions to prompt debate. The last paragraph i regret writing and have already apologised for doing so. I know OP. A lot are reading your post and skipping to the last to add theirs and missing out the important middle bits. I miss read it and took offence but when you explained what you mentioned I accepted it straight away. I've never known you to say anything with spite/offence/negativity etc and don't see why you would start with that today. Thanks. Sometimes i think the world needs people who're prepared to stick their heads above the parapet and speak the unspeakable. I believe it's the best way to exercise change." It's brave of you to do it, I wouldn't of been big enough. As mentioned by others, I have also learned about the subject of mental health. I'm almost totally nieve to it. Even though I got in then out of it myself recently | |||
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"Apart from a carer struggling with the care of another to get them into the car, with ADHD, Autism and the like I can’t think of another mental health condition that would mean the person would find it as hard to walk as a person with a heart condition, lung conditions, legs that give way, hip dislocations, muscle wastage, Bone cancer etc and the like.... it doesn’t mean that mental health conditions aren’t disabilities, they certainly are but blue badges were only ever designed to give people that have mobility associated disabilities " This is the problem, all cases are individual and unique, but as I said before, there are not enough resources to assess the applicants face to face, as they do with financial benefit applicants | |||
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"I work with a guy with aspergers, he's going to be getting one so he can park his mx5 in one of the disabled bays at work. I'm not sure how its going to help him. Unless walking 25 metres less each day will make him less of an entitled prick?" Not a fan of this guy and his mx5. | |||
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"Apart from a carer struggling with the care of another to get them into the car, with ADHD, Autism and the like I can’t think of another mental health condition that would mean the person would find it as hard to walk as a person with a heart condition, lung conditions, legs that give way, hip dislocations, muscle wastage, Bone cancer etc and the like.... it doesn’t mean that mental health conditions aren’t disabilities, they certainly are but blue badges were only ever designed to give people that have mobility associated disabilities " Such a person would be mentally AND physically disabled. The report that prompted my op mentioned only the mental element. | |||
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"I work with a guy with aspergers, he's going to be getting one so he can park his mx5 in one of the disabled bays at work. I'm not sure how its going to help him. Unless walking 25 metres less each day will make him less of an entitled prick? Not a fan of this guy and his mx5. " He will have to apply and should only get it if the authorities consider he should have it. All cases are unique | |||
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"It's also a good way of educating myself, in that respect this has been successful." It’s good that people have learned things from this thread. Awareness is a great tool for everyone. X | |||
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"It's also a good way of educating myself, in that respect this has been successful. It’s good that people have learned things from this thread. Awareness is a great tool for everyone. X " | |||
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"It's also a good way of educating myself, in that respect this has been successful. It’s good that people have learned things from this thread. Awareness is a great tool for everyone. X " Knowledge is power.. | |||
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"Apart from a carer struggling with the care of another to get them into the car, with ADHD, Autism and the like I can’t think of another mental health condition that would mean the person would find it as hard to walk as a person with a heart condition, lung conditions, legs that give way, hip dislocations, muscle wastage, Bone cancer etc and the like.... it doesn’t mean that mental health conditions aren’t disabilities, they certainly are but blue badges were only ever designed to give people that have mobility associated disabilities Such a person would be mentally AND physically disabled. The report that prompted my op mentioned only the mental element." Yes kind of my point with only just a mental disability I can’t see how they would find it as hard to walk as someone in any of the categories I put above, I think you are right, if we give them out to all when one of the people struggling to walk above comes along there will be no spaces left | |||
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"Apart from a carer struggling with the care of another to get them into the car, with ADHD, Autism and the like I can’t think of another mental health condition that would mean the person would find it as hard to walk as a person with a heart condition, lung conditions, legs that give way, hip dislocations, muscle wastage, Bone cancer etc and the like.... it doesn’t mean that mental health conditions aren’t disabilities, they certainly are but blue badges were only ever designed to give people that have mobility associated disabilities Such a person would be mentally AND physically disabled. The report that prompted my op mentioned only the mental element." Yes kind of my point with only just a mental disability I can’t see how they would find it as hard to walk as someone in any of the categories I put above, I think you are right, if we give them out to all when one of the people struggling to walk above comes along there will be no spaces left | |||
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"Apart from a carer struggling with the care of another to get them into the car, with ADHD, Autism and the like I can’t think of another mental health condition that would mean the person would find it as hard to walk as a person with a heart condition, lung conditions, legs that give way, hip dislocations, muscle wastage, Bone cancer etc and the like.... it doesn’t mean that mental health conditions aren’t disabilities, they certainly are but blue badges were only ever designed to give people that have mobility associated disabilities Such a person would be mentally AND physically disabled. The report that prompted my op mentioned only the mental element. Yes kind of my point with only just a mental disability I can’t see how they would find it as hard to walk as someone in any of the categories I put above, I think you are right, if we give them out to all when one of the people struggling to walk above comes along there will be no spaces left " It's a pity they can't do the assessments as with other benefits. My brother had to go for one of these and they reduced his benefit, although he is crippled with arthritis and has a carer, so it shows how strict they are! | |||
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"I have kids with autism, in almost all instances of autism come problems with mobility of some description. To say it would take away spaces from those with a real disability is an insult to those who suffer with autism. It is a very real disability and can have a profound effect on a person. I have a blue badge for use when my kids are in the car, they cannot get out of the car in a normal sized space, have poor gross motor skills and terrible balance. The disabled spaces allow them to get out without hurting themselves and also without damaging other people's cars. I suggest you go and educate yourself on mental disabilities of all kinds before you make such sweeping statements in the future. Which statements are you on about? Since when does a mental disability impact on a person's ability to walk? I'm not trying to argue with you I was just interested in the statements you referred to. Hence my question. I'm not in a position to answer your question to me, sorry That's what the op said, implying that mental disabilities don't affect a person's ability to walk, pretty sweeping statement. This is why I asked which statement. I only saw one statement (last paragraph) the rest I saw as questions being asked, hence the question marks. I could well be wrong on it but it's how I saw it It was indeed intended as questions to prompt debate. The last paragraph i regret writing and have already apologised for doing so. I know OP. A lot are reading your post and skipping to the last to add theirs and missing out the important middle bits. I miss read it and took offence but when you explained what you mentioned I accepted it straight away. I've never known you to say anything with spite/offence/negativity etc and don't see why you would start with that today. Thanks. Sometimes i think the world needs people who're prepared to stick their heads above the parapet and speak the unspeakable. I believe it's the best way to exercise change." | |||
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"Apart from a carer struggling with the care of another to get them into the car, with ADHD, Autism and the like I can’t think of another mental health condition that would mean the person would find it as hard to walk as a person with a heart condition, lung conditions, legs that give way, hip dislocations, muscle wastage, Bone cancer etc and the like.... it doesn’t mean that mental health conditions aren’t disabilities, they certainly are but blue badges were only ever designed to give people that have mobility associated disabilities Such a person would be mentally AND physically disabled. The report that prompted my op mentioned only the mental element. Yes kind of my point with only just a mental disability I can’t see how they would find it as hard to walk as someone in any of the categories I put above, I think you are right, if we give them out to all when one of the people struggling to walk above comes along there will be no spaces left " Along the entire length of our high street there are only two designated blue badge spaces, i'd rather these were kept for those that really need them. | |||
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"Some abuse the system.Its human nature .However if I see a young healthy person skip out a sports car with a blue badge on it gets my rag A friend i know who feels the same has keyed the offending vehicle in the past . " A man was killed in a car park by someone who punched him because he was enraged at him being in a disabled space with a blue badge when there was no visible sign of a disability...his wife came out of the supermarket to find him dying on the ground...it was her badge because she had mobility issues... | |||
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"Apart from a carer struggling with the care of another to get them into the car, with ADHD, Autism and the like I can’t think of another mental health condition that would mean the person would find it as hard to walk as a person with a heart condition, lung conditions, legs that give way, hip dislocations, muscle wastage, Bone cancer etc and the like.... it doesn’t mean that mental health conditions aren’t disabilities, they certainly are but blue badges were only ever designed to give people that have mobility associated disabilities Such a person would be mentally AND physically disabled. The report that prompted my op mentioned only the mental element. Yes kind of my point with only just a mental disability I can’t see how they would find it as hard to walk as someone in any of the categories I put above, I think you are right, if we give them out to all when one of the people struggling to walk above comes along there will be no spaces left Along the entire length of our high street there are only two designated blue badge spaces, i'd rather these were kept for those that really need them." Same in my local town, not many is it? | |||
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"Some abuse the system.Its human nature .However if I see a young healthy person skip out a sports car with a blue badge on it gets my rag A friend i know who feels the same has keyed the offending vehicle in the past . A man was killed in a car park by someone who punched him because he was enraged at him being in a disabled space with a blue badge when there was no visible sign of a disability...his wife came out of the supermarket to find him dying on the ground...it was her badge because she had mobility issues..." I remember that...disgraceful isn't it...people taking the law into their own hands... | |||
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"Apart from a carer struggling with the care of another to get them into the car, with ADHD, Autism and the like I can’t think of another mental health condition that would mean the person would find it as hard to walk as a person with a heart condition, lung conditions, legs that give way, hip dislocations, muscle wastage, Bone cancer etc and the like.... it doesn’t mean that mental health conditions aren’t disabilities, they certainly are but blue badges were only ever designed to give people that have mobility associated disabilities Such a person would be mentally AND physically disabled. The report that prompted my op mentioned only the mental element. Yes kind of my point with only just a mental disability I can’t see how they would find it as hard to walk as someone in any of the categories I put above, I think you are right, if we give them out to all when one of the people struggling to walk above comes along there will be no spaces left Along the entire length of our high street there are only two designated blue badge spaces, i'd rather these were kept for those that really need them." They are, and that will include all disabilities and not just the ones you approve of. When I go to my local Morrisons the disabled spaces are rarely being used. Probably because disabled people don't synchronise their shopping trips. | |||
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"People with mental disabilities are nutters? OP has apologised further up the thread " First impressions and he said what he thought; apology or not. | |||
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"People with mental disabilities are nutters? OP has apologised further up the thread First impressions and he said what he thought; apology or not." Maybe read the whole thread... | |||
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"People with mental disabilities are nutters? OP has apologised further up the thread First impressions and he said what he thought; apology or not. Maybe read the whole thread... I don't want to read anything more from him thanks. " You're welcome | |||
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"OP imagine for a moment if you can. You're in a busy supermarket. Your senses in overload from the noises of people chatting, announcement, bleeping tills, children, trolleys, phones, the hum of the freezers, coffee machines, music, the collection tins. So many sounds it's painful. Then there's visual overload the lights so bright they are hurting your eyes and making you feel dizzy. The smells, cleaning products, fish counter, hot food, bakery, people. The place is busy and you feel anxious, you're finding it hard to breathe and to navigate around people and trolleys and stock. The coolness of the fridges section hits you and it feels like you're now also being stabbed. Imagine all those things at the same time and you panic. You're also trying to remember what you need to buy. You may also be worrying that it's obvious to people your having a panic attack. You're head is aching, you're finding it hard to breathe. Every hair on your body is standing on end and it feels like a thousand electric shocks going through your body. Can you imagine feeling like that? Now tell me why if someone is forced to go through all of that should they not be offered the opportunity to at least retreat to their car a little sooner to be able to try and catch their breath? " Thanks for this detailed description but really if someone is experiencing this is it safe for them to just get in a car and drive straight away? There are many challenges out on the roads. | |||
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"OP imagine for a moment if you can. You're in a busy supermarket. Your senses in overload from the noises of people chatting, announcement, bleeping tills, children, trolleys, phones, the hum of the freezers, coffee machines, music, the collection tins. So many sounds it's painful. Then there's visual overload the lights so bright they are hurting your eyes and making you feel dizzy. The smells, cleaning products, fish counter, hot food, bakery, people. The place is busy and you feel anxious, you're finding it hard to breathe and to navigate around people and trolleys and stock. The coolness of the fridges section hits you and it feels like you're now also being stabbed. Imagine all those things at the same time and you panic. You're also trying to remember what you need to buy. You may also be worrying that it's obvious to people your having a panic attack. You're head is aching, you're finding it hard to breathe. Every hair on your body is standing on end and it feels like a thousand electric shocks going through your body. Can you imagine feeling like that? Now tell me why if someone is forced to go through all of that should they not be offered the opportunity to at least retreat to their car a little sooner to be able to try and catch their breath? Thanks for this detailed description but really if someone is experiencing this is it safe for them to just get in a car and drive straight away? There are many challenges out on the roads. " Many of these people aren’t the ones doing the driving. Blue badges are for the person with the disability and it’s not always the driver. X | |||
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"I hear that there is a plan to extend the blue badge to those with 'hidden' disabilities, such as autism. Since when does a mental disability impact on a person's ability to walk? They're just going to take parking spaces away from those who really need them or are we going to see more blue badge spaces being introduced impacting the rest of us? Surely if someone has a mental condition they shouldn't be driving in the first place, there's enough nutters on the roads already." There is so much wrong with this post, I've not read all the replies, just the apology elsewhere. The whole attitud is repugnant, not just the use of the word nutter. | |||
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"I hear that there is a plan to extend the blue badge to those with 'hidden' disabilities, such as autism. Since when does a mental disability impact on a person's ability to walk? They're just going to take parking spaces away from those who really need them or are we going to see more blue badge spaces being introduced impacting the rest of us? Surely if someone has a mental condition they shouldn't be driving in the first place, there's enough nutters on the roads already. So, my brother who has autism shouldn’t be allowed to drive? Why is this? He’s probably safer off driving - his coordination skills when walking are hopeless, he cannot walk in a straight line. Yet can drive perfectly fine. You could argue that if you’re in a wheelchair, you shouldn’t drive - but this is absurd. However - my mother in law is extremely overweight. That is all. No disability, just fat. And she has a blue badge. She was trying to get one for years, and despite not speaking to them for over a year, I keep seeing their family car parked in a disabled space, with the blue badge holder. She got her wish. Ridiculous. " I'm quite sad people have the view the op does Many people with hidden disabilities have as much right as any other to use these spaces. A person with asd or adhd for example might not look disabled but try living with it or someone with it!!!! We have two sons who have a hidden disability (No we don't have a blue badge but could really benefit from one) one of which is a rare bowel disease..the looks we get for accessing disabled toilets is bad enough and we get made to feel so embarrassed as well as angry when people judge without knowing anything about it. As the poster above says, many only have them for being over weight and old (I'm in no way judging) but how dare people assume another doesn't deserve that right just because they look "healthy or normal" Jane x | |||
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"OP imagine for a moment if you can. You're in a busy supermarket. Your senses in overload from the noises of people chatting, announcement, bleeping tills, children, trolleys, phones, the hum of the freezers, coffee machines, music, the collection tins. So many sounds it's painful. Then there's visual overload the lights so bright they are hurting your eyes and making you feel dizzy. The smells, cleaning products, fish counter, hot food, bakery, people. The place is busy and you feel anxious, you're finding it hard to breathe and to navigate around people and trolleys and stock. The coolness of the fridges section hits you and it feels like you're now also being stabbed. Imagine all those things at the same time and you panic. You're also trying to remember what you need to buy. You may also be worrying that it's obvious to people your having a panic attack. You're head is aching, you're finding it hard to breathe. Every hair on your body is standing on end and it feels like a thousand electric shocks going through your body. Can you imagine feeling like that? Now tell me why if someone is forced to go through all of that should they not be offered the opportunity to at least retreat to their car a little sooner to be able to try and catch their breath? " | |||
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"I hear that there is a plan to extend the blue badge to those with 'hidden' disabilities, such as autism. Since when does a mental disability impact on a person's ability to walk? They're just going to take parking spaces away from those who really need them or are we going to see more blue badge spaces being introduced impacting the rest of us? Surely if someone has a mental condition they shouldn't be driving in the first place, there's enough nutters on the roads already. So, my brother who has autism shouldn’t be allowed to drive? Why is this? He’s probably safer off driving - his coordination skills when walking are hopeless, he cannot walk in a straight line. Yet can drive perfectly fine. You could argue that if you’re in a wheelchair, you shouldn’t drive - but this is absurd. However - my mother in law is extremely overweight. That is all. No disability, just fat. And she has a blue badge. She was trying to get one for years, and despite not speaking to them for over a year, I keep seeing their family car parked in a disabled space, with the blue badge holder. She got her wish. Ridiculous. I'm quite sad people have the view the op does Many people with hidden disabilities have as much right as any other to use these spaces. A person with asd or adhd for example might not look disabled but try living with it or someone with it!!!! We have two sons who have a hidden disability (No we don't have a blue badge but could really benefit from one) one of which is a rare bowel disease..the looks we get for accessing disabled toilets is bad enough and we get made to feel so embarrassed as well as angry when people judge without knowing anything about it. As the poster above says, many only have them for being over weight and old (I'm in no way judging) but how dare people assume another doesn't deserve that right just because they look "healthy or normal" Jane x" Usn't judging people as "only having them for being over weight or old" exactly the sort of judgement you are moaning about being on the receiving end of? | |||
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"I'm guessing some blocklists were made with this post " Why, just because people disagree with each other? | |||
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"blue badges should be issued for those who have problems walking or need the space to use wheelchairs autistics should be allowed to park all in the same direction or with matching colours " What does that mean? | |||
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"I'm guessing some blocklists were made with this post Why, just because people disagree with each other?" Yes very much so. But on a more serious note. Autism comes in many guises not just the educational needs. Such as awareness of danger is affected seriously in some cases as well as some medical issues. Adhd and hypermobility causing issues with walking as well as lowered awareness of danger and lowered concentration levels. Some requiring the blue badge as unable to walk long distances for the likes of hospital appointments, where in most hospitals require quite the walk to get to appointment. Especially in children where in some cases buggies are required to transport them any sort of distance | |||
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"I think the disabled badge symbol needs changing .Ive seen a sticker in the back of a vehicle saying not all disabled people use wheelchairs. I also think prison sentences for those who abuse it would prevent the abuse. " well there is a £1k fine for not disclosing to the dvla a health issue that may affect your driving..I'll assume theres something in place for those who abuse the system. Either way, If someone has a badge..they have a badge. It is not MY business why they are entitled to the badge.. if it was to really annoy me that much, or indeed caused an issue..I could probably report the registration to some institutional body. | |||
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"I'm guessing some blocklists were made with this post Why, just because people disagree with each other? Yes very much so. But on a more serious note. Autism comes in many guises not just the educational needs. Such as awareness of danger is affected seriously in some cases as well as some medical issues. Adhd and hypermobility causing issues with walking as well as lowered awareness of danger and lowered concentration levels. Some requiring the blue badge as unable to walk long distances for the likes of hospital appointments, where in most hospitals require quite the walk to get to appointment. Especially in children where in some cases buggies are required to transport them any sort of distance" I agree with you, as I said earlier, it's a pity these can't be issued after an assessment, then the right people would hopefully get them and those that don't, won't...everyone's level of disability is different | |||
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"blue badges should be issued for those who have problems walking or need the space to use wheelchairs autistics should be allowed to park all in the same direction or with matching colours What does that mean?" He's taking the piss ..Those on the spectrum sometimes like to order things colour coordinated or line them up the same way. | |||
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"blue badges should be issued for those who have problems walking or need the space to use wheelchairs autistics should be allowed to park all in the same direction or with matching colours What does that mean? He's taking the piss ..Those on the spectrum sometimes like to order things colour coordinated or line them up the same way." Thank you...I thought maybe that's what it meant....a pisstake then | |||
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"blue badges should be issued for those who have problems walking or need the space to use wheelchairs autistics should be allowed to park all in the same direction or with matching colours What does that mean? He's taking the piss ..Those on the spectrum sometimes like to order things colour coordinated or line them up the same way. Thank you...I thought maybe that's what it meant....a pisstake then " A very brave attempt to inject a little light heartedness in to the discussion ? | |||
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"blue badges should be issued for those who have problems walking or need the space to use wheelchairs autistics should be allowed to park all in the same direction or with matching colours What does that mean? He's taking the piss ..Those on the spectrum sometimes like to order things colour coordinated or line them up the same way. Thank you...I thought maybe that's what it meant....a pisstake then A very brave attempt to inject a little light heartedness in to the discussion ? " Oh I see | |||
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"Sigh. As someone with mental health issues and dyspraxia, there's so much I could say about this post but I won't. " Know what you mean.... | |||
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"OP imagine for a moment if you can. You're in a busy supermarket. Your senses in overload from the noises of people chatting, announcement, bleeping tills, children, trolleys, phones, the hum of the freezers, coffee machines, music, the collection tins. So many sounds it's painful. Then there's visual overload the lights so bright they are hurting your eyes and making you feel dizzy. The smells, cleaning products, fish counter, hot food, bakery, people. The place is busy and you feel anxious, you're finding it hard to breathe and to navigate around people and trolleys and stock. The coolness of the fridges section hits you and it feels like you're now also being stabbed. Imagine all those things at the same time and you panic. You're also trying to remember what you need to buy. You may also be worrying that it's obvious to people your having a panic attack. You're head is aching, you're finding it hard to breathe. Every hair on your body is standing on end and it feels like a thousand electric shocks going through your body. Can you imagine feeling like that? Now tell me why if someone is forced to go through all of that should they not be offered the opportunity to at least retreat to their car a little sooner to be able to try and catch their breath? " Are you suggesting people who suffer panic attacks should receive blue badges? | |||
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"My youngest daughter has no obvious sign of disability but is classed as having a severe disability. Some days she will simply refuse to walk. I would usually have her special buggy but occassionally it will mean carrying a 7 year old around. I don't mind that but I do need room to get her in and out of the car. She doesn't warrant a blue badge so in those occassions I make do with parent and child parking. Resulting in many arguments with ignorant pr*cks who use those spaces without children." Sorry I don’t mean to sound ignorant more generally intrigued. If your daughter is classed as severely disabled as you say then surely it would warrant a blue badge ? | |||
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"OP imagine for a moment if you can. You're in a busy supermarket. Your senses in overload from the noises of people chatting, announcement, bleeping tills, children, trolleys, phones, the hum of the freezers, coffee machines, music, the collection tins. So many sounds it's painful. Then there's visual overload the lights so bright they are hurting your eyes and making you feel dizzy. The smells, cleaning products, fish counter, hot food, bakery, people. The place is busy and you feel anxious, you're finding it hard to breathe and to navigate around people and trolleys and stock. The coolness of the fridges section hits you and it feels like you're now also being stabbed. Imagine all those things at the same time and you panic. You're also trying to remember what you need to buy. You may also be worrying that it's obvious to people your having a panic attack. You're head is aching, you're finding it hard to breathe. Every hair on your body is standing on end and it feels like a thousand electric shocks going through your body. Can you imagine feeling like that? Now tell me why if someone is forced to go through all of that should they not be offered the opportunity to at least retreat to their car a little sooner to be able to try and catch their breath? Are you suggesting people who suffer panic attacks should receive blue badges?" The poster is not talking about a panic attack but a full on autistic meltdown. Believe me they are very different things and unless you’ve been on the receiving end of one you have no idea of the scale of them. X | |||
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"I was in a Tesco Express, all ten of the parking spaces were taken, the only one free being designated disabled. Even though i knew i would only be five minutes i still waited until one of the other spaces became available. I don't park in disabled spaces, ever, i'd rather they were kept free for those who really need them. I don't believe being mentally disabled but physically able should warrant a blue badge." Maybe there needs to be a complete overall of who is entitled to a blue badge, originally it was meant for those with severe mobility issues. | |||
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"OP imagine for a moment if you can. You're in a busy supermarket. Your senses in overload from the noises of people chatting, announcement, bleeping tills, children, trolleys, phones, the hum of the freezers, coffee machines, music, the collection tins. So many sounds it's painful. Then there's visual overload the lights so bright they are hurting your eyes and making you feel dizzy. The smells, cleaning products, fish counter, hot food, bakery, people. The place is busy and you feel anxious, you're finding it hard to breathe and to navigate around people and trolleys and stock. The coolness of the fridges section hits you and it feels like you're now also being stabbed. Imagine all those things at the same time and you panic. You're also trying to remember what you need to buy. You may also be worrying that it's obvious to people your having a panic attack. You're head is aching, you're finding it hard to breathe. Every hair on your body is standing on end and it feels like a thousand electric shocks going through your body. Can you imagine feeling like that? Now tell me why if someone is forced to go through all of that should they not be offered the opportunity to at least retreat to their car a little sooner to be able to try and catch their breath? Are you suggesting people who suffer panic attacks should receive blue badges? The poster is not talking about a panic attack but a full on autistic meltdown. Believe me they are very different things and unless you’ve been on the receiving end of one you have no idea of the scale of them. X " I was actually referring to mental disability/illness in general, my use of autism was just an example quoted from the original report. I appreciate this does not excuse my use of the word nutter. | |||
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"I was in a Tesco Express, all ten of the parking spaces were taken, the only one free being designated disabled. Even though i knew i would only be five minutes i still waited until one of the other spaces became available. I don't park in disabled spaces, ever, i'd rather they were kept free for those who really need them. I don't believe being mentally disabled but physically able should warrant a blue badge. Maybe there needs to be a complete overall of who is entitled to a blue badge, originally it was meant for those with severe mobility issues." I think you're right, applicants should be assessed in the same way as any other benefit application | |||
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" I don't believe being mentally disabled but physically able should warrant a blue badge." Which is why it’s not your decision, given your lack of knowledge on the subject. | |||
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"My youngest daughter has no obvious sign of disability but is classed as having a severe disability. Some days she will simply refuse to walk. I would usually have her special buggy but occassionally it will mean carrying a 7 year old around. I don't mind that but I do need room to get her in and out of the car. She doesn't warrant a blue badge so in those occassions I make do with parent and child parking. Resulting in many arguments with ignorant pr*cks who use those spaces without children. Sorry I don’t mean to sound ignorant more generally intrigued. If your daughter is classed as severely disabled as you say then surely it would warrant a blue badge ?" Because, current legislation takes into consideration whether you can use your arms and legs, and have difficulty in walking. | |||
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"My youngest daughter has no obvious sign of disability but is classed as having a severe disability. Some days she will simply refuse to walk. I would usually have her special buggy but occassionally it will mean carrying a 7 year old around. I don't mind that but I do need room to get her in and out of the car. She doesn't warrant a blue badge so in those occassions I make do with parent and child parking. Resulting in many arguments with ignorant pr*cks who use those spaces without children. Sorry I don’t mean to sound ignorant more generally intrigued. If your daughter is classed as severely disabled as you say then surely it would warrant a blue badge ?" Her disability isn't physical so she doesn't warrant a badge. She has too many things to list but occassionally she will refuse to walk as she can suffer knee pain due to developmental issue. If she had a blue badge it would be rarely used so I wouldn't apply anyway as we get by. But other children more severely affected would warrant one. I understand what the OP is sayimg though, as many people abuse the system. | |||
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"So much I could write on this thread, in response to several posts. But I'd probably get a forum ban. So i'll just say some people obviously have no idea what dealing with an autistic child is truly like. I'd guess you're probably the ones that tutt & mutter at stressed mothers 'spoilt brats needing discipline' and 'no child of mine would act like that in public' Think yourselves lucky they don't. " | |||
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" I don't believe being mentally disabled but physically able should warrant a blue badge. Which is why it’s not your decision, given your lack of knowledge on the subject. " It would appear that can only be a good thing. | |||
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" I don't believe being mentally disabled but physically able should warrant a blue badge. Which is why it’s not your decision, given your lack of knowledge on the subject. It would appear that can only be a good thing." True story. | |||
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"I hear that there is a plan to extend the blue badge to those with 'hidden' disabilities, such as autism. Since when does a mental disability impact on a person's ability to walk? They're just going to take parking spaces away from those who really need them or are we going to see more blue badge spaces being introduced impacting the rest of us? Surely if someone has a mental condition they shouldn't be driving in the first place, there's enough nutters on the roads already. So, my brother who has autism shouldn’t be allowed to drive? Why is this? He’s probably safer off driving - his coordination skills when walking are hopeless, he cannot walk in a straight line. Yet can drive perfectly fine. You could argue that if you’re in a wheelchair, you shouldn’t drive - but this is absurd. However - my mother in law is extremely overweight. That is all. No disability, just fat. And she has a blue badge. She was trying to get one for years, and despite not speaking to them for over a year, I keep seeing their family car parked in a disabled space, with the blue badge holder. She got her wish. Ridiculous. " This made me think of when i worked in the bookies and was told my by manager she got a new Qashqai or some similar jeep thingy, every few months from the mobility that was meant for her overweight dad, even though he owned a lovely BMW. | |||
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