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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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What do you understand feminism to mean?
And if you identify as a feminist, would you consider yourself a radical feminist or liberal?
both of these definitions are from wikipedia, however they seem to be an acceptable starting definition.
Radical feminism is a perspective within feminism that calls for a radical reordering of society in which male supremacy is eliminated in all social and economic contexts
Liberal feminism is an individualistic form of feminist theory, which focuses on women's ability to maintain their equality through their own actions and choices. Its emphasis is on making the legal and political rights of women equal to men. |
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"What do you understand feminism to mean?
And if you identify as a feminist, would you consider yourself a radical feminist or liberal?
both of these definitions are from wikipedia, however they seem to be an acceptable starting definition.
Radical feminism is a perspective within feminism that calls for a radical reordering of society in which male supremacy is eliminated in all social and economic contexts
Liberal feminism is an individualistic form of feminist theory, which focuses on women's ability to maintain their equality through their own actions and choices. Its emphasis is on making the legal and political rights of women equal to men."
You really should do your own homework rather than coming on here and expecting us to do it for you. For top marks you really should be able to move beyond the lib fem / rad fem divide and should be able to demonstrate an understanding of the development of feminism with examples of the differneces between first wave, second wave and third wave feminism. Extra marks will be agined by demonstrating an understanding of the interaction between feminism and intersectionality, and queer theory. |
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"What do you understand feminism to mean?
And if you identify as a feminist, would you consider yourself a radical feminist or liberal?
both of these definitions are from wikipedia, however they seem to be an acceptable starting definition.
Radical feminism is a perspective within feminism that calls for a radical reordering of society in which male supremacy is eliminated in all social and economic contexts
Liberal feminism is an individualistic form of feminist theory, which focuses on women's ability to maintain their equality through their own actions and choices. Its emphasis is on making the legal and political rights of women equal to men."
Why do we have to be either extreme of the spectrum? |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"What do you understand feminism to mean?
And if you identify as a feminist, would you consider yourself a radical feminist or liberal?
both of these definitions are from wikipedia, however they seem to be an acceptable starting definition.
Radical feminism is a perspective within feminism that calls for a radical reordering of society in which male supremacy is eliminated in all social and economic contexts
Liberal feminism is an individualistic form of feminist theory, which focuses on women's ability to maintain their equality through their own actions and choices. Its emphasis is on making the legal and political rights of women equal to men.You really should do your own homework rather than coming on here and expecting us to do it for you. For top marks you really should be able to move beyond the lib fem / rad fem divide and should be able to demonstrate an understanding of the development of feminism with examples of the differneces between first wave, second wave and third wave feminism. Extra marks will be agined by demonstrating an understanding of the interaction between feminism and intersectionality, and queer theory."
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I don't, per se. From what I can see it alot of different perspectives (sometimes very differing) that all try and losely brand them self as feminism. For example there total opposite of extremes between people who call them self feminist in terms of trans gender rights. So feminism as a broad lable doesn't mean a lot to me. When someone says I'm a feminist I don't assume to know exactly what they stand for. I find it better to listen to things they have to say because their idea of feminism could be very different to someone else's or mine. The term for me lacks a lot of meaning and direction. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Intersectionality is the devil itself. The concept of the devil is a classic example of the kind of simplistic false binary that intersectionality seeks to make redundant."
This false intellectualism of common sense is the biggest evil. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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The latter but bound to notice that feminism doesn't defend all women, if those women doesn't embrace their version of feminism.
For instance, in the french government, women who want to works are strongly encouraged t, which is totally respectful, however, some women wants to stay at home and look after their children and now it is becoming frown upon and some feminists don't seem to want to defend the right of those women... |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Feminism is like communism. Great in theory, horrendous in practice.
For who? Are you saying that from a position of privilege as a male?"
For everybody. Some people have privilege, some people don't. Therein lies the distinction and I'll leave you to figure out your own painfully illogical mistakes. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"Feminism is like communism. Great in theory, horrendous in practice.
For who? Are you saying that from a position of privilege as a male?
For everybody. Some people have privilege, some people don't. Therein lies the distinction and I'll leave you to figure out your own painfully illogical mistakes. "
Thanks. Is there any need to be so dismissive? |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Feminism is like communism. Great in theory, horrendous in practice.
For who? Are you saying that from a position of privilege as a male?
For everybody. Some people have privilege, some people don't. Therein lies the distinction and I'll leave you to figure out your own painfully illogical mistakes.
Thanks. Is there any need to be so dismissive?"
Propably because it makes him feel better about himself. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Feminism is like communism. Great in theory, horrendous in practice.
For who? Are you saying that from a position of privilege as a male?
For everybody. Some people have privilege, some people don't. Therein lies the distinction and I'll leave you to figure out your own painfully illogical mistakes.
Thanks. Is there any need to be so dismissive?"
It pains me when I see good people tricked into such neatly packaged sweetky served false ideas like you are with the make privilege angle.
Hence my dismissive tone, apologies. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Feminism is like communism. Great in theory, horrendous in practice.
For who? Are you saying that from a position of privilege as a male?
For everybody. Some people have privilege, some people don't. Therein lies the distinction and I'll leave you to figure out your own painfully illogical mistakes.
Thanks. Is there any need to be so dismissive?
Propably because it makes him feel better about himself. "
Well I do have "fragile male ego" after all |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"Feminism is like communism. Great in theory, horrendous in practice.
For who? Are you saying that from a position of privilege as a male?
For everybody. Some people have privilege, some people don't. Therein lies the distinction and I'll leave you to figure out your own painfully illogical mistakes.
Thanks. Is there any need to be so dismissive?
It pains me when I see good people tricked into such neatly packaged sweetky served false ideas like you are with the make privilege angle.
Hence my dismissive tone, apologies. "
Fair do's and thanks.
I don’t necessarily buy all the male privilege idea, however I wanted to widen the debate out a little. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Its sad in this day and age feminism still exists. Why cant we just treat both sexes equally. Why does it all still have to be questioned for either sex. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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An open question - Does feminism have a tendency to destroy the family unit (or has it served to?) and what are the effects of this decay over generations? |
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By (user no longer on site)
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I remember chatting to a feminist on a dating site years ago and asked her about the things where men are worse off than women and she said "feminism is about equality for men and women" her answer sounded good but I never see feminists standing up for fathers rights for example. I've also seen two feminists friends argue on Facebook over women's clothing. Some celebrity was wearing sexy clothes and showing loads of skin and one feminists said something like she's selling women out and another confronted her saying no she's empowering them by wearing what she wants. Feminism like everything has bandwagoners but the bandwagoners are loudest and makes the movement look more like a man hate club at times. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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for me, feminism is simple, its about eliminating discrimination against women, and giving women equal rights, in all areas of life.
At the moment, this is far from the case, and in many areas of life women are disadvantaged compared to men. (this seems irrefutable to me).
the difference between the liberal/radical feminism is what people are prepared to do to achieve this goal. Radical feminists are more prepared to take direct action, break law etc, to achieve goals.
this distinction not new. With fight for womens' vote 100 years ago there was a split between suffragists, who wanted to organise petitions, marches, lobby to change law, and suffragettes, who were prepared to take more direct action, which included bombing and setting fire to empty buildings. I have some sympathy for the suffragettes. They only resorted to direct action after they felt following reasonable means to achieve the vote had proved a waste of time.
there is a brillliant podcast callled The Guilty Feminist (i dont gain financially!)
(apologies for sermon!)
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I remember chatting to a feminist on a dating site years ago and asked her about the things where men are worse off than women and she said "feminism is about equality for men and women" her answer sounded good but I never see feminists standing up for fathers rights for example. I've also seen two feminists friends argue on Facebook over women's clothing. Some celebrity was wearing sexy clothes and showing loads of skin and one feminists said something like she's selling women out and another confronted her saying no she's empowering them by wearing what she wants. Feminism like everything has bandwagoners but the bandwagoners are loudest and makes the movement look more like a man hate club at times. "
Any good politician is able to roll out the party line, kiss a baby and smile for the cameras. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"What do you understand feminism to mean?
And if you identify as a feminist, would you consider yourself a radical feminist or liberal?
both of these definitions are from wikipedia, however they seem to be an acceptable starting definition.
Radical feminism is a perspective within feminism that calls for a radical reordering of society in which male supremacy is eliminated in all social and economic contexts
Liberal feminism is an individualistic form of feminist theory, which focuses on women's ability to maintain their equality through their own actions and choices. Its emphasis is on making the legal and political rights of women equal to men."
I think it's fair to say that most think the radical side of feminism is a bit overbearing and don't really respect them - just as extremists in any area of life deserve a healthy suspicion.
When I read the liberal definition about equality under the eyes of the law, it says to me job done. I can't think of any areas of the law where women are grossly and unfairly misrepresented.
It's a positive message...the conditions for equality are there and like fab you get out of it what you put into it. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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For me feminism is a broad term with broad history. It simply means standing up for women and being proud of being a woman... that women should be heard and have an equal input into the grand debate of life... that the loudest most arrogant voice shouldn't always drown out the other voices but that a space should be made to hear a quieter, possibly wiser, voice.
It would be nice if there was a comparative manism or mascunism. But us guys aren't great on gathering as groups and social engineering like that.
Unfortunately feminism can be used to denote a whole range of other things from the theory that women are oppressed by men through to the pursuit of equal outcomes... all of which is utter nonsense. So, in my opinion women shouldn't turn their back on feminism... they should just call it to order and make it serve a better purpose |
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"For me feminism is a broad term with broad history. It simply means standing up for women and being proud of being a woman... that women should be heard and have an equal input into the grand debate of life... that the loudest most arrogant voice shouldn't always drown out the other voices but that a space should be made to hear a quieter, possibly wiser, voice.
It would be nice if there was a comparative manism or mascunism. But us guys aren't great on gathering as groups and social engineering like that.
Unfortunately feminism can be used to denote a whole range of other things from the theory that women are oppressed by men through to the pursuit of equal outcomes... all of which is utter nonsense. So, in my opinion women shouldn't turn their back on feminism... they should just call it to order and make it serve a better purpose "
Did you get that from Jordan Peterson videos on You tube ?  |
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By *readzyMan
over a year ago
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I just like to say that i am very much in favour of feminism in all its forms and will support any campaign to raise awareness of this important issue in various settings, schools , community groups, the workplace.. Yes especially in the workplace ....
Just so im 100% sure before i go endorsing anything. Feminism,, ? That IS when two birds get off with each other right? |
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